1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and new polling from YouGov econ miss 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: shows a slow but steady decline in mail support for 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: the president over the past three months, slipping to forty 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: two percent approval fifty three percent disapproval. It's down eleven points. 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. The 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss Trump's 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: increasingly unpopular agenda. Then we'll talk to The New York 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: Times his own Adam Liptik that originalism and the Supreme 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: Court and all the stuff they're doing to reshape our government. 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: But first the news. 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: Smile the tariffs. As we know, mister Trump loves to 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: pretend it's other countries paying for them, but really they're 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: going to cost companies one point two trillion this year 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: and that will mostly hit the consumers and have them 17 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: pay for it. 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: Tariffs are going to cost one point two trillillion dollars 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: this year. They're going to be paid by consumers. That's right, 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: Mexico not building the wall nor paying for the tariffs. 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: So here's the study published on Thursday, SMP Global found 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: that companies are now expected to pay one point two 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: trillion dollars more than twenty twenty five expenses. You know why, 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: because Donald Trump put a tax on the consumers with tariffs. 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: Here's what happened. What we told you would happen, Now 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: it's happened. I am not surprised by this even a 27 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: little bit. It is what we knew was going to happen. 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: Tariffs and trade barriers act as taxes. That's right, Tariffs 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: are taxes. There are corporate taxes paid by the consumer. 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has done this to us, by the way, 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: his deminimous rule has made everything even more expensive. That 32 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: means that things valued at less than eight hundred dollars, 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: which usually would not be taxed, are now being tariff 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: to the hell out of them. So you want to 35 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: buy a two hundred dollars vacuum cleaner, that's now a 36 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty dollars vacuum cleaner, a two hundred 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: and thirty dollars vacuum cleaner. Everything from cooking oil to dish. 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: So the Yale Budget Lab estimate in August that Trump's 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: latest tariffs will cost US households about twenty four one 40 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: hundred dollars this year. 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's real good stuff there. It's really going to 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: go great going into the holiday season for employment and 43 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: growth in our country Somali. Trump is wetting the bed 44 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 2: over Thomas Massey. He says he's got to go from Congress. Yeah, 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: you know, why is it the sky Epstein that Trump 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: was best friends with. 47 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: I think that sounds like I said, yeah, no, listen, 48 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: this is incredible stuff we have. Basically, Thomas Massey wants 49 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: the Epstein files released. Donald Trump has some worries about 50 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: the Epstein files, as one does when your name is 51 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: in that file. I don't think the Epstein files are 52 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: going away. And this week Virginia Dufrain's posthumous memoir will 53 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: be published, and I think it's going to mean I mean, 54 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: it already means that Prince Andrew he is no longer 55 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: the Duke of York. 56 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: Right, He's just like a snowmall, except except sex predator. 57 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so look, Epstein's not going away. If Donald Trump 58 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: could get rid of Thomas Massey, Ebstein still wouldn't be 59 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: going away. Let's see how this goes. By the way, 60 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: I think that Trump should continue attacking him. I don't 61 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: think Thomas Massey understands government. I think he's a grandstander, 62 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: says Donald Trump, the man who understands government really really well. 63 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: He's known for his understandment of government. He's a high 64 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: government understander. 65 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: That sounds about right to me, government understander. 66 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 67 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: So a US federal judge has ordered Ice to wear 68 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: body cameras in Chicago. I'm always shocked at when you 69 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: see this footage, which ones you see wearing the body 70 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: cameras and which ones you don't like. In New York, 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: I feel like every time I see the footage, I 72 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: see the body cameras on them. 73 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a reason that cops started wearing barso 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: cameras because courts couldn't trust what they were saying. Now 75 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: it looks like Ice might have to get into the 76 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: body camera game. Two. I wonder if Peter Thiel makes 77 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: body cameras. 78 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: It seems like pell and teers type of business. 79 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: But you know the reason they're doing this is because 80 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: Ice is killing people. I mean, here's what happens. This 81 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: is a country that has laws until Donald Trump stops 82 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: having them, and so the body cameras are here we go. 83 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: So they have Les Lisel's shotguns, ammunitions launchers, pepperballs, tear 84 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: gas which they use pretty much indiscriminately. Well, now they're 85 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: going to have to take videos of it. The irony 86 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: here is that Ice loves to videotape themselves. Christy No 87 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: basically exists for YouTube. So good luck boys. 88 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a feeling that's not going to go 89 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: well for them. It's considering they're beating congressional candidates with 90 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: the tons and throwing them on a regular basis. 91 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: Yes, speak for yourself. I think it's going to go great. 92 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: So my Jim Justice reportedly one of the laziest senators 93 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: we've ever had. He doesn't want to show up to 94 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: work for yourself. 95 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: She flies to work sometimes on his jet. That is energy, 96 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: my man, that is energy. And also he is very. 97 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: Old, I know. And I have to tell you, like 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: you know, it's like a funny thing. Is like we've 99 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: often talked about prop dogs and politics over the years, 100 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: and I love that baby dog does it for me. 101 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: So like I hate to see that Mamana has a 102 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: tax scene against him because he ate paid his taxes. 103 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: Because there's no fucking laws in this country anymore. 104 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: I think this probably predates Trump. My guess is yeah, yeah, 105 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: Justice and his wife Kathy have a total bounds of 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: more than eight million dollars in unpaid assessments, money that 107 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: he spends on his private jet travel. I don't know 108 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: what to say. First of all, he's supposedly a billionaire 109 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: many times over, so he should just pay his fucking taxes. 110 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: And also he should try to, perhaps apps get a 111 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: apartment in the district of Columbia where he works. That's 112 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: just but though maybe the government will be shut down 113 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: forever and he won't need to. But it's good to know. 114 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: Let's hope not. My wife really needs a paycheck soon. 115 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. He's a reliable ally for President Trump, 116 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: so maybe President Trump will give him a preemptive pardon. 117 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: We'll see, what's part of your tax payments. 118 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: Let's pardon your tax payments after all Trump has done 119 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: Morse Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Partisan 120 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: and the host of the Enemy's List. 121 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: Rick Wilson Molly John Fast, how are you, my friend? 122 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: I want to read your statistic. 123 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm here for your. 124 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: It's always fun when i'd come in with things I 125 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: want to read. Adding to our new data are estimated 126 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: turnout for the No King's Day protest yesterday has risen 127 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: to five point five million, with an upper bound of 128 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: eight point seven million, taking at the largest single day 129 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: political pro test in US history. This excludes the first 130 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: Earth Day. 131 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 4: I've been to two No Kings protests in my little 132 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: town of Tallahassee, Florida. The first one had about five 133 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: thousand people, and this one was much much, much larger 134 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 4: in a town with three hundred thousand people, which is significant, 135 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: and it was it was replicating across the country. And 136 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: it's interesting because in every single one of these places 137 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 4: you saw yesterday, everybody just absolutely just like they're doing 138 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 4: in Portland now and in Chicago, they absolutely refused to 139 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: play to the bullshit Maga narrative. They absolutely refused. They're like, Okay, 140 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 4: we're gonna have fun, we're gonna bring American flags, we're 141 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 4: gonna be cheerful and singing and happy, and then we're 142 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: not gonna let them play the game of. 143 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: The Communists are trying to take over with the pro 144 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: humus you blah blah blah. They just wouldn't do it. 145 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: It struck me yesterday when I was walking through all 146 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 4: these people, this was a younger crowd than the first 147 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: No Kings rally, a lot more young people. 148 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: That's actually really important. 149 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it struck me that the the edginess and 150 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 4: the huge of this one was much more front and 151 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 4: center than the first one. And the first one people 152 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 4: seemed very scared. 153 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: This one. 154 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 4: They seemed there was also like an edge of like haha, 155 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 4: fuck you. Like I was walking up and I see 156 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 4: you know, the the the you know, derriguar inflatable frogs, 157 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: and I saw a baby shark and it turned out 158 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 4: a friend of mine who I had no clue about 159 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 4: her politics, was in baby shark. 160 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: Oh really, I had no clue about her politics at all, 161 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: And I was like, wait, what is that? 162 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: You what? 163 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 4: I think It was a bad day for them, and 164 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 4: they had to resort to Donald Trump posting really crap 165 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 4: AI slop memes of him pooping on people. 166 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: Yesterday was a high stakes day. If oh, yeah, there 167 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: had been no turnouts, we would have been in a 168 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: lot of trouble. Right, If there hadn't been millions of people, 169 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: it would have meant talk us through that. 170 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 4: I think I think if yesterday had been a flop, 171 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 4: if yesterday had been a had been had been a wheeze, 172 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 4: we would have the Maga media and Maga influencer space 173 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 4: would be absolutely running rings around everybody today, jumping up 174 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 4: in victory sing Donald Trump is the most beloved president ever. 175 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 4: But instead you have Bright Bart leading with a story 176 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 4: about Trump posting the poop video, and you have Fox 177 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 4: talking about, oh, the Democrats shutdown all day today. So 178 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 4: I think it's telling that they that they did not 179 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: get what the Republicans did not get what they were 180 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 4: hoping for out of this weekend, which was violence, anti Americans, images, arrests, 181 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 4: et cetera. From my understanding, the only arra and I 182 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: was actually looking in this rabbit hole earlier, the only 183 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 4: arrest I could find was of a MAGA guy who 184 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 4: showed up at a rally I think it was in Buffalo, 185 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: don't quote me on that, with a gun. But he 186 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 4: was a Maga guy because he'd been told that Hamas 187 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: was there. 188 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, because we the boy host press secretary said 189 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: that all Democrats were Hamas. 190 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, Hamas pro terrorist, all violent radical lectice the usual 191 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 4: gibber jabber out of her pie hole. 192 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: So you know, Molly, I got I gonna say this. 193 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 4: I think Carolyn Lovitt, you know, it is one thing 194 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 4: for me to make your mom joke on Twitter, but 195 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 4: at some point even the magas are like, is the 196 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 4: White House reduced to being like a D grade trolling shop? 197 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: And that's what jade Van says. 198 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: Oh God, yeah. 199 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 4: The reason jad Evans came out to defend the Young 200 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 4: Nazi Youth League eg the YRS this weekend. 201 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: So basically the Young Republican chat. This was a big 202 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: piece in Politico. They said things like I love Hitler, 203 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: can't wait to. 204 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: Put so and so in the gas chamber, right, all that, And. 205 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I'm struck by 206 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: with Jada Vance is he will defend any bad behavior 207 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: on the rights because. 208 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 4: He's running for president in twenty twenty eight and he 209 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: follows the Steve Bannon rule there are no enemies to 210 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: my right flank, So he is willing to defend Nazis. Molly, 211 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, the Republican Party I was a 212 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 4: part of for a long time had many, many, many, 213 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 4: many flaws. But any person in the party who was like, 214 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 4: I love Hitler, Brown people are monkeys all that crap. 215 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 4: They would have been fired, they would have been cast out. 216 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 4: These people. And by the way, folks, for those of 217 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 4: you listening, if you think that's the only racist group, 218 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 4: chat among the yrs, I haven't reach brand. This is 219 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 4: what they are now, the screeching. Don't call us Nazis, 220 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 4: all right, Well, stop saying Nazi shit and believing Nazi 221 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 4: things and thinking about Nazi outcomes for your political enemies. 222 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: See you have these no King's day, you have millions 223 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: of people, then you have this poor poll and you 224 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: have Trump not polling well in all sorts of underwater 225 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: on the economy and migration. That does Trump not see 226 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: these polls? Do people not show them to him? 227 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: Tony Fabrizio, who has been his polster now for a 228 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: long time, Tony the pollster. 229 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: Is not a stupid guy. He's not a stupid guy. 230 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 5: He is. 231 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: He's also known to be a pretty good pollster. 232 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 4: Rights from getting too. He is incredible and qualified poles. 233 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 4: He's not generating numbers that are just made up fantasy numbers. 234 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 4: He's not mutant res Musen right right right, who just 235 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 4: literally make up like how many we please the king? 236 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 4: But I will say this, he's also not going to 237 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 4: bring Donald bad news, because that's a quick way in 238 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: Trump World to get sent out into the ether, to 239 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 4: get fired, to get dismissed, to get ignored. They know 240 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: how bad Trump's numbers are, but like so much of 241 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 4: what goes on in Trump World. Now, the reason Trump 242 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 4: says my approval rating is ninety seven percent is because 243 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 4: they will now go out and say, well, mister President, 244 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 4: our numbers have some issues here and there, but we 245 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 4: found this poll from Red Eagle, Palin Polling or whatever 246 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 4: that says you're so popular, and he will seize on 247 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 4: the inaccurate bait and ignore the unpalatable truth. So yeah, 248 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: but his polling is continued to slip, continue to drop, 249 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 4: continue to get into into worse and worse and worse areas. 250 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk about what happens now. We have Trump World 251 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: bombing little ships in the Caribbean, patriating survivors, because why 252 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: explain to what's happening here in American international diplomacy? Killing 253 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: it right is the hash. 254 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: Just well with the emphasis on the killing part. 255 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: With emphasis killing. 256 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: So so what they've done is declared a undeclared war 257 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 4: on Venezuela. Now, folks, why because the Donald Trump is 258 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 4: in the Epstein files. I kid you not, Donald Trump 259 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 4: is in the Epstein files. 260 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: And that's what I will give you another. 261 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 4: Well, there's another art, there's another reason they're doing this. 262 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: There is a philosophical construct among the modern authoritarians where 263 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 4: the world should below Russia should own Europe, China should 264 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: own Asia, and America should own American north and South. 265 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 4: And that is sort of the the tripart height vision 266 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 4: of the world that a lot of these maga populace 267 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 4: really love. 268 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: Maduro is sitting. 269 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 4: On a gigantic amount of oil and natural gas off 270 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 4: the coast of Venezuela. It is essentially Saudi Arabia with jungles. Now, look, Maduro. 271 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 4: There are no Maduro fans or defenders in America. Nobody 272 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 4: wakes up and goes man that Maduro is a great guy. 273 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: But what Trump has done is under the disguise of saying, oh, well, 274 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: these are drug smuggling boats, which we have never seen 275 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 4: evidence of. By the way, this government has never produced 276 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 4: a single shred of information or evidence or documents that 277 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 4: say that these drug boats are drug boats. Their entire 278 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 4: amount of evidence is trust me bro. So a lot 279 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 4: of them seem to be fishing boats. We are not 280 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 4: using the traditional targeting and intelligence process to identify these boats. 281 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: We are not using standard intelligence vetting processes to identify 282 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: these boats. And that is why the four star general 283 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 4: who runs Southern Command, which is that's the area of 284 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 4: operation that Venezuela. 285 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: Falls under, just resigned. 286 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, I can't do this. We're not this 287 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 4: is not We're not being behaving legally or ethically. Is 288 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 4: if you know how to read military code language. He 289 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 4: was basically saying, I'm not going to be a part 290 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: of a goddamn war crime. And that's what we're doing. 291 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 4: We're probably shooting up a bunch of fishermen. A lot 292 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 4: of these boats are are of a design that is 293 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: not meant to cross almost one thousand miles of ocean 294 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 4: between Venezuela and Florida. 295 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: They're fishing boats. 296 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: But Stephen Miller and p Heseth and Donald Trump have 297 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: decided this is a great distraction. We're going to have 298 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 4: a triumph when we depose Maduro and we install a 299 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: pro Maga, pro Western government in Caracas. I will tell 300 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 4: you that, you know, I don't. 301 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: We've done really well. 302 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 4: My Spanish isn't great, but I don't think we're going 303 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 4: to be greeted as liberators speak. 304 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: Of problems in the world and ethical lapses. Donald Trump 305 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: has freed the political an are known as George Santos. 306 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: George Santos will soon be named as the Viceroy of 307 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 4: the newly conquered American colony of Venezuela. 308 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, which we call Miami South. 309 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Man? 310 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: Listen? Santos is a great. 311 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: He's not the restitution now, by the way, because he 312 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: decided he didn't want it. 313 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: He's commuted. 314 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 4: Mago wants to hear and needs to hear one message. 315 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 4: We're immune from consequence, We're immune from accountability. We can 316 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 4: commit any crime we want and Trump will pardon us, 317 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: get out of jail free. In a lot of ways. 318 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 4: And somebody said this to media, and I thought it 319 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 4: was really smart in a lot of ways. George Santos 320 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 4: being freed was a lot was a message to a 321 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 4: lot of these ice agents on the street. Interesting, you 322 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 4: can commit crimes, He's going to take care of you. 323 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: You can commit crime as long as you stay loyal, 324 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 4: he'll take care of you. 325 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: Or there's something else. 326 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 4: I don't know what Santos would have on Trump. God 327 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 4: got God, God. 328 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: Knows, or somebody's doing someone a favor. 329 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 4: Right, or it's Roger Stone like cashing a shit. I 330 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 4: don't know, but look in terms of like the least 331 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: sympathetic figures, and Trump has pardoned seven I think it's 332 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 4: seven now ex Republican members of Congress who. 333 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: All were in jail or going to jail for criming. 334 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 4: Yes, not political questions, not like were they supporting jan 335 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: Sis like stealing money or taking bribes. And that message 336 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 4: is to say to people on Trump's side, we don't 337 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 4: play by their rules. 338 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: We don't have to be accountable. 339 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 4: You know, you can cash in, you can abuse your power, 340 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 4: do what you want to do, go buck wild. 341 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: We're here for you. 342 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: I feel like the Santo thing bites him in the 343 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: ass because he's a guy who will not shut up. 344 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: He's everywhere. You have all of these maga Republicans who 345 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: voted so him out of Congress. Now they have to say. 346 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 4: The New York delegation, the New York delegation, including a 347 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 4: lot of very reliable Trump allies like Mike Lawler and 348 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 4: at least the Phonic We're like, no, bro, this ain't it. 349 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: This ain't the right. 350 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: Way, and Stephanic is running for governor in her like 351 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: Trump adjacent but a little trumpy, but not that trumpy, 352 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: but sort of trumpy. 353 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 3: I call it just the tip trump Ism, but nice. 354 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: I'm glad you could get. You can always get the 355 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: sort of most offensive way to you know, I appreciate it. 356 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: But sure the lack of gentility, yes, continue. 357 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: Yes, but at least I'm not sending out videos of 358 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 4: people pooping on of their people like Trump did. 359 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: That's right. See, do you think. 360 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 3: His staff is trolling him? 361 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: Do you think that's the comp you want? No, I'm 362 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: just kidding. I want you to get back to Stefanic 363 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: because I want to talk about the New Jersey governor's 364 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: race for a minute. So two twenty twenty five races 365 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: happening in sixteen days. One is this Virginia race for 366 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: where Spamburger is probably gonna win against win Sears. 367 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 5: Sears. 368 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: Wins Seers sounds like a cowboy name and she. 369 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: But when she talks, she just sounds like a lunatic. 370 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 4: She sounds like somebody who's wandering the streets talking about 371 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 4: how that somebody put a chip in her head. 372 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Winsome Sears wins seers. 373 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's like you hear it tell you, like, 374 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: are the voices in the room rate with you right now? 375 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: So I think Spamberger's got that locked up. 376 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: Look, I won't say locked up. 377 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 4: They had a little speed bump with this a G guy, 378 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 4: which the Republicans tried to convert on, but I don't 379 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 4: think it's gonna I don't think it's gonna change it. 380 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: So the AG sent a text to someone in twenty 381 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: twenty two, right that was like we should That was terrible, 382 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: basically saying like you should kill a candidate because that's 383 00:19:53,920 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: the only way they'll learn. Terrible, Also indefensible, indefensible and moronic. 384 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: And also like when you read the text, it's worse 385 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: because his way of explaining it is stupid too, Like 386 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: it's all stupid and that. But they run on different tickets, 387 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: like you know, don't vote for em okay. 388 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 4: Yep, which and I think she's navigated that. Spanberger has 389 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 4: navigated that pretty well. But that rate look in Virginia, 390 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 4: I know from our polling in Virginia that has not 391 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 4: really changed. The Spanberger equation. Sears is in the classic 392 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 4: trap Trump's not on the ballot. The negative outcomes of 393 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 4: Trump is in Virginia from DOJE and projects twenty twenty 394 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 4: five cuts and everything else are on the ballot, and 395 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 4: it's hard for Sears to say I'm going to bring 396 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 4: back a great economic revival to Virginia when Donald Trump 397 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: has taking one hundred and twenty thousand jobs out of Virginia. 398 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 4: So you know that is a state where the externalities 399 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 4: of Trump are hurting. I think it's also to go 400 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 4: back to New Jersey for a second. I think Chittarelli 401 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 4: now has to with Trump canceling a gigantic infrastructure project 402 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 4: that would have directly benefited New Jersey, and it was 403 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 4: responsible for a lot of high paying jobs in New 404 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 4: Jersey and Trump just killed it because President Russell Vaught 405 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 4: decided he was going to kill it. 406 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: This is one of the interesting things about the shutdown. 407 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: You talk to reporters who talked to this White House 408 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: and they'll say, these guys are thrilled with the shutdown. 409 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: This is what they'll say. They feel they're winning the shutdown, 410 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: they feel emboldened, they feel powerful, And I say, to 411 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: these people, shut the fuck up. I don't want to 412 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: hear how they're spending you. Number One and also this 413 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: shutdown is now becoming about russ vaught canceling programs that 414 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: were already in you know, some of them are being built. 415 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 4: Some of these things are already done or already i 416 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 4: mean the contracts are done there way welt built. Yeah, 417 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 4: and none of it, none of it when you get down. 418 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 3: To it, Molly has the. 419 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: The uplift of like, we're cutting corruption, we're cutting fraud 420 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 4: wasted because none of that's about this. Trump is deliberately saying, 421 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 4: I'm going out to cut democratic programs. I'm going to 422 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 4: cut the things you like. 423 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to bring it punish. I'm going to use 424 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: the federal government to punish states that didn't vote for me. 425 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 4: He's now and especially on on now that we're in 426 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 4: the now that we're in Mike Johnson's new phase of bsing, 427 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 4: why this why the shutdown is here. No, we would 428 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 4: come back anytime as long as the Democrats agree to 429 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: endorse everything we want above and beyond just the budget. 430 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: So you have these pocket recisions, were going to do 431 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: this anyway, signed off on a budget, and then the 432 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: Trump administration werecinded five billion dollars in foreign aid because 433 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: of vibes and even you have Republicans saying like why 434 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: would they trust? 435 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 3: Right? 436 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 4: The Republicans are hearing from their own pulse. Okay, not 437 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 4: from the White House, not from you know, smoke up 438 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 4: your ass, Rasmussen Poles or Trafowger Poles. 439 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 3: They're hearing from their own polsters. 440 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 4: You're taking the blame. You're the ones who won't come back. 441 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 4: You're taking the blame. I don't think that the House 442 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 4: candidates have a lot longer to run before the pressure 443 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 4: on them politically reaches the point where one or two 444 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 4: of them go to Mike Johnson. And if one or 445 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 4: two of them go to Mike john say Boss, you're 446 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 4: killing me, it will start a cascade. They understand that 447 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 4: America the broad question across the country. We have now 448 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 4: had ten surveys since the shutdown among likely voters where 449 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 4: they blame the Republicans by somewhere between six and eighteen points. 450 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 4: This is bad, bad, bad for the Republicans. And no 451 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 4: matter how magga they are on paper, no candidate in 452 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 4: the end is going to burn himself down over a shutdown. 453 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 4: That is going to brand them as somebody who was 454 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 4: willing to burn hit their own constituents it's not going 455 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 4: to do it. 456 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: In the end. 457 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: You see Trump trying a redistrict that keeps going. There 458 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: is a world where they hit themselves in the head 459 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: with us. 460 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 4: There is a world where the collapses in various national 461 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: real estate markets, the terrible jobs outlook, the terrible economic picture, 462 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 4: the continued damage of the tariffs, the shutdown. They've become 463 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: the party causing the problem. They become the people causing 464 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 4: the problem. And I think that's a bad place for 465 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 4: them to be in the fall of the year before 466 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 4: a big, consequential election where the picture is not going 467 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 4: to get any prettier. 468 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: Rick Wilson Bolly Junk Fast Adam Leptik covers the Supreme 469 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: Court for the New York Times and writes sidebar, a 470 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: column on legal developments. Welcome to Fast Politics, Adam. 471 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 5: It's good to be here. 472 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: So you are one of the very smart people who 473 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: write about the Supreme Court who I try to always read. 474 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: You write about other stuff too. I mean I do 475 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: write about courts, more generally. 476 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 5: I write about the law. Yeah. 477 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a very interesting and a little bit 478 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: probably disturbing time to be writing that law. But you 479 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: wrote this piece that absolutely captured my imagination about originalism. 480 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: So give us a sort of why originalism matters, who 481 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: this guy is, who's sort of one of the fathers 482 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: of originalism, and sort of why this is so important. 483 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 6: So, originalism is a theory of how to interpret the 484 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 6: Constitution that conservatives generally like. And it says the task 485 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 6: of the judge is to unearth discover the original meaning 486 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 6: of the constitutional text when it was drafted and ratified, 487 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 6: and that is said to constrain judges. It doesn't allow 488 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 6: them to make up rights like conservatives state that the 489 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 6: Warrant Court did in the sixties. And it generally yields 490 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 6: conservative results, generally, not always. And the Supreme Court's conservative 491 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 6: majority generally claims that originalism is their touchdown, the guide, 492 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 6: and when you look at it, it's not clear that 493 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 6: they're always being faithful to their own interpretive methodology. This guy, yes, So, 494 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 6: Caleb Nelson is one of a handful of really respected 495 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 6: originalist scholars. A straight shooter teaches at the University of Virginia. 496 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 6: Clerk for Clarence Thomas has been cited an extraordinary number 497 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 6: of times at the Supreme Court. A single citation for 498 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 6: a scholar is a great honor. He's been cited maybe 499 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 6: more than a dozen times, and by every single one 500 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 6: of the six members of the current Conservative supermajority. And 501 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 6: the Court will soon answer a question that it's been 502 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 6: ramping up over the years to answer. And it's particularly 503 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 6: a salient now under Trump, who keeps firing the heads 504 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 6: of supposedly independent agencies. And that question is does the 505 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 6: president have an unfettered right to remove people in the 506 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 6: executive branch even when Congress says no, you have to 507 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 6: have a good reason. And the Court's going to hear 508 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 6: arguments about this in December, and just as that argument 509 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 6: is coming up, Caleb Nelson weighs in and says, you 510 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 6: know what, I'm an originalist and I don't see the 511 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 6: originalist argument for this. The Constitution says something about how 512 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 6: officials are appointed, you know, President Jesus Senate confirms it 513 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 6: says nothing about removal. In so many words, removal was 514 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 6: never discussed at the Constitutional Convention. 515 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 5: There's mixed evidence from the. 516 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 6: Early years of Congress, and there's no good originalist reason 517 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 6: to think that Congress, which is granted the constitutional authority 518 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 6: to shape and manage the executive branch along many dimensions 519 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 6: can't do this. 520 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 5: Also, and another. 521 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 6: Originalist scholar, William Bode, on social media, called this paper 522 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 6: a bombshell, and when I happened to run into him 523 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 6: not long ago, he. 524 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 5: Said to me, Caleb Nelson is never wrong. 525 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 6: And while I don't think this is going to change 526 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 6: where the court is heading because it's been a long trajectory, 527 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 6: it's certainly to complicate the case. 528 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 1: So what I want you to explain is is this 529 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: a real schism or not. 530 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 6: There's an academic side to this, and I think some 531 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 6: academics really do follow the evidence where it leads, and 532 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 6: this will influence the scholarly debate. Does it, you know, 533 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 6: kind of dynamite the judicial project? I don't think so. 534 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 6: I think there's a good argument to be made that 535 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 6: originalism is often a kind of thig leaf. It's available 536 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 6: to you if it helps you reach the result you 537 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 6: want to reach. It's a surprisingly malleable interpretive methodology because 538 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 6: depending on what level of generality you approach the question at, 539 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 6: you can get liberal or conservative results out of it. 540 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 6: So I think it more illuminates that this supposedly neutral 541 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 6: and constraining methodology is in fact nothing of the sort. 542 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 6: And you see that in these cases on executive power, 543 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 6: where the court doesn't really look to the historical materials, 544 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 6: it looks to what it's a conception of what the 545 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 6: president should be able to do or not. That was 546 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 6: really most evident last year in the City granting Trump immunity. 547 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: I always thought of a Roberts Court. It's really not 548 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: the Roberts go anymore, really, but that the Roberts Court 549 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: was always cared a lot about appearances, or at least 550 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: wanted to make things look a certain way. It seems 551 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: as if the last two cycles that has not been 552 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: as important. 553 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 6: We're so polarized that it's hard to see straight and 554 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 6: it's hard for a court, even one that wants to 555 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 6: appear measured and incremental and governed by law and institutionalist, 556 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 6: to satisfy every constituency These days, from the perspective of 557 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 6: the left, the Court has really given Trump the green 558 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 6: light to do all kinds of really aggressive things to 559 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 6: the government and not stood in his way at all. So, 560 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 6: if the Chief Justices goal is to preserve the authority, integrity, 561 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 6: legitimacy of the Court, he has some real challenges. 562 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: Right, that's true. But the voting rights case on Wednesday, 563 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: the oral arguments. 564 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 5: Which is a good example of where we are right. 565 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, talk us through that. 566 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 6: So in nineteen sixty five, the civil rights movement achieved 567 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 6: one of its landmark victories with the enactment of the 568 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 6: Voting Rights Act, for which people literally bled and died, 569 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 6: and it was meant to protect minority, particularly black voting rights, 570 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 6: and particularly in the South, whereas you know, the lawless 571 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 6: Southern officials had stopped black people from voting pretty completely. 572 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 6: The Supreme Court, in the Roberts era has gutted one 573 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 6: main component of the Voting Rights Act, it's Section five, 574 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 6: which requires federal approval of voting changes and jurisdictions with 575 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 6: the history of discrimination. 576 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 5: But it left standing another. 577 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 6: Part of the law, which allows after the fact lawsuits, 578 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 6: Section two. And in an argument this week, it sure 579 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 6: seemed like the Court was either going to outright strike 580 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 6: down Section two as unconstitutional or at least severely limited. 581 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 6: And it's thinking is somewhat like it's thinking in the 582 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 6: Affronative Action case from Harvard and UNC. The originalists on 583 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 6: the Court claimed that the original understanding of the Fourteenth Amendment, 584 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 6: which was adopted to protect black people, actually adopted a 585 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 6: colorblind view of the Constitution, so that a congressionally enacted 586 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 6: statute like the Voting Rights Act, which takes a counter 587 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 6: of rays and tries to help historically disadvantaged people, runs 588 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 6: a fell of the Constitution. And if it were to 589 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 6: take that step, that would be a major blow to 590 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 6: this landmark legislation, and it would have a practical effect 591 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 6: also of helping Republicans in the midterms. 592 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: I mean, were you surprised by those oral arguments? 593 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 6: I guess a little bit the kind of signal that 594 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 6: they were up to something because they had heard arguments 595 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 6: about in this very case last term, and instead of 596 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 6: deciding it, they set it down to consider larger issues. 597 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 6: And whenever the Court does that, it did that in 598 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 6: Citizens United. It turned a little case into a big case. 599 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 6: How you have the sense that they're turning it into 600 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 6: a big case. But the receptivity of the conservative justices 601 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 6: to some of the broader arguments and did surprise me 602 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 6: a big. 603 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: Us in that case, the only people who would be 604 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: able to save it would be Amy, Coney and Roberts Well. 605 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 6: That's you identified the middle of the court. Sometimes Brett 606 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,239 Speaker 6: Kavanaugh is also in the middle of the court. But 607 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 6: he was very He has this idea that he was 608 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 6: pressing at the argument that the Voting Rights Act might 609 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 6: have been well and good for a while, but it's 610 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 6: reached its sell by date. 611 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no more racism. 612 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 6: Right, And it's not clear that statutes have a sell 613 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 6: by date. 614 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: It's not clear that America has ended racism right. 615 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 6: And Section two requires courts to look at contemporary circumstances, 616 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 6: So you have to prove that minority voters are being 617 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 6: disadvantaged to win your case anyway. So I'm not sure 618 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 6: that makes a ton of sense. That also has an 619 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 6: echo with the affirmative action case, where in two thousand 620 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 6: and two Justice Senrede O'Connor, you didn't expect we'd need 621 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 6: affirmative action in twenty five years, and the Court got 622 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 6: rid of it a couple of years early. 623 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: So many of the things that we see them decide 624 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: seem like they are very politically advantageous for the right. 625 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: Do you think that the justices think that that's what's happening. 626 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 6: So I'm prepared to believe that the justices, all the 627 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 6: justices are operating in good faith, and if you gave 628 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 6: them ali detector test, they believe that they were applying 629 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 6: legal principles to achieve legal results. But they were picked 630 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 6: for these jobs because people knew how they think, and 631 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 6: they were picked for these jobs by sophisticated politicians the 632 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 6: president of the Senate, in order to achieve certain goals. 633 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 6: And they have quite consistently voted as their appointing presidents 634 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 6: might like. So this question of you know, are they 635 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 6: acting in bad faith is maybe not the most important question. 636 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 5: The question is what are the votes and what are 637 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 5: the results? 638 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. It seems as if the 639 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: only person who is as add to the court who 640 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: has been at all surprising has been Justice Spared. 641 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. Justice Bart is an interesting figure. 642 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 6: She does seem to have both common sense and intellectual rigor, 643 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 6: but it's easy to overstate how much she has transgressed, 644 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 6: how much she has stepped away from the usual conservative 645 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 6: line in all the big cases, all the big cases abortion, 646 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 6: affirmative action, guns, immunity. Whenever she might have had an 647 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 6: opportunity to truly surprise, she did not and went along 648 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 6: with the majority. In less important cases, she has been 649 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 6: the justice most likely to vote with the liberals. 650 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: This is true, right, But that's a good point. And 651 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: what she says in oral arguments is irrelevant if she 652 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: then votes with the majority. 653 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, agreed, and I mean I respect her she an 654 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 6: oral argument. She is a very rigorous thinker, and unlike 655 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 6: some justices who seem inclined to make speeches rather than 656 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 6: and try to elicit information from the advocates, she's authentically 657 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 6: trying to get to the bottom of things. 658 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: Do you think that the Supreme Court? Since you've covered 659 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: the courts for such a long time through different incarnations, I. 660 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,479 Speaker 5: Covered the Court for seventeen years. 661 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 6: I'm actually stepping away from the daily beat coverage, but 662 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 6: I have some history. 663 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: With the court. 664 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: Seventeen years a long time. Do you think the court 665 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: is radically different than it was seventeen years ago. 666 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, and for one reason and one reason only. 667 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 6: The Court for the first ten years that I covered 668 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 6: it had Justice Kennedy on it, and he was at 669 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 6: the middle of the court. Some people call him the 670 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 6: swing justice. He was the fulcrum on which the court 671 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 6: operated and he would mostly lean right, but in important 672 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 6: cases on abortion, affirmative action, the death penalty, and especially 673 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 6: gay rights, he would lean left. And that five fourness 674 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 6: of the court is very different. It's a very different 675 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,959 Speaker 6: flavor than the six' to three court cases these days 676 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 6: kind of seemed pre cooked the moment they grant the. 677 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 6: Case you know what's going to happen when justice can 678 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 6: he was on the, court it did feel a little 679 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 6: bit more like a court in which people had a 680 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 6: fair shot winning their. 681 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: Case when you think about THE lgbtq rights, stuff the 682 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: conversion therapy, case all of the sort of cases around trans. 683 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: Rights they have a bunch of those. Cases what is 684 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: your sense of this courts like this is a court 685 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: that overturned. Raw do you think that's where this precedent setting. 686 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 6: Ends i'll draw distinction first of, all between gay rights 687 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 6: and trans. Rights ten years, ago In Oberga, fell The 688 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 6: court established the constitution right the same sex. MARRIAGE i 689 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 6: don't think there's a serious threat to. That there are 690 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 6: all kinds of ways in which religious groups can chip 691 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 6: away at that, right dissent from it not, acknowledged and so, 692 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 6: on but the basic right probably is. Sound and then 693 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 6: only five years, ago in an opinion By Joseph, gorsage 694 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 6: The court found that both gay and transgender workers are 695 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 6: protected from employment discrimination by a. STATUTE i think that's 696 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 6: the high water mark for gay and trans. WRITES i 697 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 6: think they're going to move it in the other. Direction In, 698 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 6: june as you, know in a case Called, scrimti they 699 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 6: said That tennessee and other states could forbid gender transition. 700 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 6: Care they just heard this case on conversion therapy that's 701 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 6: going to go against the trends. Side they're going to 702 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 6: hear a case on trans athletes that's going to go 703 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 6: against the trans. Side so this was a court which 704 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 6: seemed to be moving in one, direction and as with 705 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 6: the political climate and to some extent the social, climate 706 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 6: it's taken a different. 707 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 2: Direction. 708 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: Yeah so. Interesting does ultimately The Supreme court abandon legal 709 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: academia as these two groups sort of go further and 710 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: further away from each. 711 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 6: Other it's too complicated to make that kind of sweeping, 712 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 6: statement AND i don't think academics have ever been all that. 713 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 6: INFLUENTIAL i heard a judge on The Second, Circuit Robert, 714 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 6: sack once say that law review articles are like street 715 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 6: lamps when you're, drunk used more for support than. Illumination that, 716 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 6: is you, know you cite a lot of your article 717 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 6: that agrees with you for window, dressing not because it's 718 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 6: persuaded you to take a different position than the one 719 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 6: you came in. 720 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: With has a conservative legal movement been a huge? Success? 721 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah there's a bit of a pendulum to. This 722 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 5: the warrant court was quite. Liberal we've now swung a 723 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 5: completely different. 724 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 6: Direction but the conservative legal movement was a concerted, effort you, 725 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 6: know from The reagan years to establish in law schools 726 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 6: which were and are quite, liberal a kind of counter 727 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 6: group and well funded and very, strategic and you, know 728 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 6: running conservative law clerks into conservative chambers and then finding 729 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 6: them good jobs and putting them on the bench and 730 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 6: coming up with easy to understand theories like. Originalism they've 731 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 6: really outflanked the left in power on The Supreme court 732 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 6: and in the lower. 733 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: Courts thank, You, adam. 734 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 5: Great to be. Here thanks for having. 735 00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 3: Me, No, rick Will Molly John? 736 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 1: Fast are you tough enough for the? Army tough enough 737 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: for the police? Force? 738 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 4: No if the answer is, no why not join The 739 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 4: department Of Homeland securities. 740 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: On Some, oklazon welcome to ice. 741 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 3: Baby those two women. 742 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 4: Still got, it still got, It they still got it 743 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 4: twenty years, in they still got that ringing the bell 744 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,760 Speaker 4: of Weirdo. 745 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: Republicans what is your moment of? 746 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 4: Fuckery you know my moment of fuckery is In, well 747 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 4: most of our nation's government workers aren't getting. Paid Christy 748 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 4: nome And corleywandowski have been given. 749 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: Too New you spell it with AN e because that's 750 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: how she thought it was. Spelled. 751 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 4: Apparently, yes they've been given two new private jets to. 752 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 4: Use The coastguard had to buy, them but they are 753 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 4: exclusively for the use Of Christy nome and her. 754 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 3: Courtesan do you know much they? Cost it was one 755 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million for, both one. 756 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: Hundred and seventy two million for. 757 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 3: Both and by the, way, folks jack not to go 758 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 3: into the weeds on these. Jets but they. 759 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 5: FANCY i saw. 760 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 2: Pictures these are nice private. 761 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: Jets, yeah a Golf stream five fifty million to replace 762 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: an aging one because she doesn't have a good. One 763 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: and then, aw so ooh it's so. Fancy look at 764 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: the white. 765 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 2: Leather, oh, yeah there it. 766 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 4: Is by the, way, folks a Golf stream, five even 767 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 4: an older, one even a twenty year old Golf stream, 768 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 4: five is an exceedingly nice. 769 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: Aircraft well speak for, yourself. 770 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 4: Baby these people are telling you That christinome and her Consort, 771 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 4: corlewandowski and their film crew that travels with her at all, 772 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 4: times her makeup and hair crew that travels with her 773 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 4: at all. 774 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 3: Times they need a private jet that's. New they can't 775 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 3: use a jet that's five years. Old my, god that's 776 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 3: a that's a. Travesty it reminds me of these people 777 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 3: that are, LIKE i don't fly. 778 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 4: Scheduled, yeah well Apparently christinem doesn't fly, scheduled nor does 779 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 4: she fly anything that. 780 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 3: Isn't still doesn't have that new private. 781 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,720 Speaker 4: Jet Smell Rick, wilson, tumbrels, Pitchforks they're. 782 00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: Coming that's it for this episode Of Fast. Poly tune 783 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: in Every, Monday, Wednesday thursday And saturday to hear the 784 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: best minds and politics make sense of all this. Chaos 785 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: if you enjoy this, podcast please send it to a 786 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 1: friend and keep the conversation. Going thanks for. Listening