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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Fears for superstar Wendy Williams as she claims she has

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Speaker 2: only two dollars to her name in a bizarre video.

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Speaker 2: Is she living like a prisoner under a highly restrictive guardianship?

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: Talk show host and media personality Wendy Williams, wrapped up

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Speaker 3: in a controversial conservatorship denying her dementia diagnosis amidst a

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Speaker 3: legal battle, legal.

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Speaker 2: Battle that put its in very mild late, claims that

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Speaker 2: she is living like a prisoner in a highly restrictive

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Speaker 2: guardianship with.

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Speaker 1: Only two dollars to her name.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, let's hear from the horse's mouth,

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Speaker 2: no kind of money I have.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I only have two dollars.

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Speaker 2: Two dollars to her name. That is from Fat Joe's insta. Now,

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Speaker 2: what is happening with Wendy? Listen?

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Speaker 4: I am not cognitively impaired, you know what I'm saying. No,

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Speaker 4: but I feel like I am in prison. I'm in

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Speaker 4: this place where the people are in their nineties and

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Speaker 4: their eighties.

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Speaker 5: Wendy Williams, the former talk show host known for her

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Speaker 5: catchphrase how You're Doing, has been under a court ordered

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Speaker 5: guardianship since twenty twenty two after being diagnosed with frontal

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Speaker 5: temporal dementia and aphasia. However, the Star is disputing both

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Speaker 5: her diagnosis and a need for a guardian. Williams calls

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Speaker 5: her life a prison and accuses her guardian of emotional abuse.

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Speaker 1: What is happening with Wendy Williams?

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Speaker 2: Is she suffering from a mental illness dementia? Or is

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Speaker 2: she caught like a prisoner trapped in a highly restrictive

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Speaker 2: conservatorship where people are just trying to make money off

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Speaker 2: Wendy Williams joining me in All Star panel to make

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Speaker 2: sense of what we know. Tonight, you were just hearing

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Speaker 2: from our friends at the Breakfast Club on Power one

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Speaker 2: oh five point one when Wendy called in straight out

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Speaker 2: to special guest joining us.

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Speaker 1: It's James Batuska.

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Speaker 2: He is joining us as a senior US show Buzz

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Speaker 2: reporter at dailymail dot com. James, you have been in

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Speaker 2: touch with not only Wendy herself, but her son. First

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Speaker 2: of all, explain to me what is being alleged about

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Speaker 2: her mental state. I know Wendy, she has invited me

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Speaker 2: onto her show many many times.

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Speaker 1: And I find this very hard to believe.

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Speaker 6: You know, what Nancy is being alleged is that you know,

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Speaker 6: she's incapable of, you know, caring for herself. And she's

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Speaker 6: you know, she's she's not you know, medically able to

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Speaker 6: to to just kind of live her life as you know,

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Speaker 6: on her own, you know, under her own terms. And

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Speaker 6: you know, actually I spoke to us, I spoke to

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Speaker 6: Wendy in October, and this is prior to you know,

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Speaker 6: all of a lot of the reporters that have spoke

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Speaker 6: to her, and I was instantly surprised at how normal

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Speaker 6: she sounded. You know, during our conversation it was about

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Speaker 6: twenty thirty minutes long, and she was very coherent. She

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Speaker 6: remembered things that you know from from her past and

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Speaker 6: specific details.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Diddy.

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Speaker 6: She remembered exact locations and and it didn't seem any

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Speaker 6: different than the Wendy that you know that that that

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Speaker 6: were used to seeing on on on TV. You know,

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Speaker 6: she sounded a little bit yeah, sad, you know, but

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Speaker 6: she you know, she was she has all the right

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Speaker 6: you know, during her during our conversation, you know, she

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Speaker 6: even gave it, you know, how you doing, you know,

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Speaker 6: So it was it was really shocking to see, you know,

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Speaker 6: that November, you know, with all these people speaking out

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Speaker 6: about her dementia and everything like that, because I just

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Speaker 6: didn't get that impression. I'm not a doctor, you know.

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Speaker 6: But but from our conversation for about twenty thirty minutes,

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Speaker 6: I was like, she sounds so normal, you know. And

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Speaker 6: I told my editor this and I was like, are

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Speaker 6: we sure this is the And she's like, are you

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Speaker 6: sure this is Wendy and like, no, it's Wendy and

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was, uh, okay, that's really odd, James,

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Speaker 2: because I had the very same experience the last time

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Speaker 2: Wendy kindly invited me onto her program. As a matter

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Speaker 2: of fact, predating that Wendy invited me own on her

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Speaker 2: program to announce this crime stories, I went on and

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Speaker 2: last time I was with her, I had the very

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Speaker 2: same experience that you're talking about completely lucid.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just having a hard time. But

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Speaker 1: we're lay people. What do we know.

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Speaker 2: You're a Hollywood reporter, I'm a trial lawyer.

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Speaker 1: We're not doctors. But we can see right watch this

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Speaker 1: costume contest. We do whatever year. So it was a

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Speaker 7: Let's get started our first caress.

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Speaker 5: William's health issues become apparent in the later years of

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Speaker 5: The Wendy Williams Show. Williams has always been open about

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Speaker 5: her cocaine addiction in the eighties and nineties, which she

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Speaker 5: overcame with no treatment. The host also diagnosed with Graves disease,

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Speaker 5: which causes hyperthyroidism. In twenty seventeen, Williams passes out during

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Speaker 5: a taping of the show, and in the following years

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Speaker 5: fills months of several seasons with a guest host due

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Speaker 5: to struggles with her health issues.

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Speaker 2: You were earlier seeing a clip from the official Wendy

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Speaker 2: Williams Show, joining me as I said an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: In addition to James Vittuska from Daily Mail, I want

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Speaker 2: to go now to doctor John Delatory, renowned psychologist mediator

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Speaker 2: specializing in forensic psychology. Doctor Delatory if she is not

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Speaker 2: mentally impaired, and that's probably the wrong phraseology for it.

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Speaker 1: Then somebody's in a whole heap of trouble.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is bringing back all of the memories of

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Speaker 2: the Free Britney movement. And whether you like watching her

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Speaker 2: twirl around naked on Insta or not, her life choices.

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Speaker 1: That many people may not approve of. I don't care

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Speaker 2: Or the other about her life choices does not mean

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Speaker 2: that she is mentally incapacitated and needs a conservator just because.

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Speaker 1: You don't like what she does. That means nothing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, only a shrink not the church lady is set

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Speaker 2: to make that decision. Same thing here, But I've got

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Speaker 2: an issue, doctor John Delatory. All we know about is

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Speaker 2: graves disease combined with past drug use and saying cocaine, well,

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Speaker 2: that is kind of euphemistic.

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Speaker 1: It was crack crack.

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Speaker 2: Wendy was a crack addict and look how she overcame

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Speaker 2: it and what she became, I mean, a superstar in

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Speaker 2: the talk industry. So how can Graves, which I don't

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Speaker 2: believe affects your male ability, and a long ago addiction

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Speaker 2: equal this draconian conservatorship.

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Speaker 8: The first thing that any kind of mental health professional

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Speaker 8: is going to be doing when they're asked to conduct

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Speaker 8: a guardianship evaluation is a medical examination where we're looking

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Speaker 8: at whether or not someone is gravely disabled meaning that

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Speaker 8: they can't care for themselves at all due to some

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Speaker 8: meaning that their mental disease or defect kind of impairs

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Speaker 8: them when it's floorally an issue but not necessarily their

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Speaker 8: entire life, that with enough treatment they can care for themselves.

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Speaker 8: The problem that we.

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Speaker 2: Run in SAE, I don't know what you just said.

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Speaker 2: That was a lot of no offense psychobabble. Please speak

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Speaker 2: regular English. How can graves disease which does not affect

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Speaker 2: your male capacity? To my understanding and a long ago

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Speaker 2: crack habit landy you in a conservatorship because we hear

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Speaker 2: her speaking. You just heard James Rattuska state he has

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Speaker 2: been speaking with her recently and she's extremely lucid.

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Speaker 8: Right, But we're not speaking with her every single day.

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Speaker 8: It's certainly possible that there are times in which she

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Speaker 8: is better off than in other times. It's often called

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Speaker 8: sundowning where individuals who are experiencing high levels of dementia

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Speaker 8: are perfectly capable of interacting well enough right to overcome

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Speaker 8: the deficits in Graves. Disease, along with hyperthyroidism, can in

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Speaker 8: fact impair cognitive abilities, which can impair personality functioning. There

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Speaker 8: are these different kinds of neurological way.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait, affect personality functioning. That okay again, I'm not

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Speaker 2: a shurnk. You are personality functioning.

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Does that mean she can't get up and take a

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Speaker 1: What is personality functioning? What does that mean?

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Speaker 8: It can sometimes turn an individual more aggressive than they

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Speaker 8: have been from before. Maybe they're more high risk, meaning

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Speaker 8: that they engage in more problematic behaviors than they had

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 8: The frontal lobe is the part that controls kind of

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Speaker 8: the higher order functioning. It's what separates us, Doctor Jeraldtorry.

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Speaker 2: Nothing you are saying makes me think she can't take

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Speaker 2: care of herself. If she's more aggressive. People on her

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Speaker 2: show would probably like that even more. Speaking of the issue,

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Speaker 2: I want you to see just a clip from Lifetimes,

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Speaker 2: where is Wendy Williams.

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Speaker 7: That.

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Speaker 1: Nobody can do it like Wendy. No one. People love Wendy.

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Speaker 10: You are stars.

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Speaker 11: She was in her living room every single day for

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Speaker 11: twelve years, yes.

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Speaker 1: And that's when people responded to her authenticity.

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Speaker 2: That's from my friends at Lifetime and their special Where

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Speaker 2: is Wendy Williams. I'm asking the same question while many

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Speaker 2: It's happening. And if this can happen to Wendy, you

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Speaker 2: don't think it can happen to you. I was at

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Speaker 2: about twenty people, middle aged. It looked like moms and dads,

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Speaker 2: All of their parents had been put in draconian, harsh

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Speaker 2: and they wanted help to get the parents out. And

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Speaker 2: guess what, it worked. We are not turning our back

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Speaker 2: on Wendy, but I need to know what's really happening.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 8: I said, you're cognitively impaired and you're incapacitating.

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Speaker 4: Do I see that way?

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Speaker 8: You've been calling me.

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Speaker 1: Five times a day for the last two weeks.

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Speaker 3: No, you don't see that.

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Speaker 11: January twenty twenty two, Williams Bank freezes her accounts after

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Speaker 11: documenting a pattern of unusual and disturbing financial events. Wells

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Speaker 11: Fargo requests a New York Supreme Court hearing to determine

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Speaker 11: if Williams is in need of a guardian. A judge

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Speaker 11: determines Williams is incapable of making informed decisions and appoints

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Speaker 11: a temporary financial guardian, Sabrina Morrissey. Williams attempts to return

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Speaker 11: to work in late November with plans to rely podcast,

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Speaker 11: but the show never airs, and by March twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: That earlier klet was from our friends at breakfast Club

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Speaker 2: Power one oh five point one. Now joining me an

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Speaker 2: expert in this field, Elizabeth mcinturf. She is a veteran

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Speaker 2: lawyer specializing in guardianship issues, and she is a partner

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Speaker 2: at Gerzer Salvach. Elizabeth, thank you for joining us while

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Speaker 2: we can make our own layperson civilian observations. I've talked

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Speaker 2: to Wendy. James Vittuska has talked to Wendy much more

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Speaker 2: recently than myself, and she's totally lucid. So how is

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Speaker 2: it that a bank? I mean, I'm sure banks don't

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Speaker 2: like a lot of decisions of their clients make over spending,

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Speaker 1: Credit line, going bankrupt, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: I have no reason to doubt what they're saying, unusual spending.

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Speaker 2: Why is Wendy Williams being kept a prisoner her words,

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Speaker 1: A multi year conservatorship?

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Speaker 2: Now what could have triggered problems for Wendy Williams?

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Speaker 1: Can I say the husband? Listen?

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Speaker 14: Twenty nineteen, after twenty years of marriage, Wendy Williams files

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Speaker 2: What are they just throwing everything in the pot and

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Speaker 2: this can it all be true? Where is this coming from?

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Speaker 2: Can one pivotal incident trigger a multi year conservatorship where

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Speaker 2: To James Vetuska joining us dailymail dot com, the husband.

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Speaker 2: Can we start with that Kevin Hunter who seemed to

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Speaker 6: When I hear you know, he actually did it at

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he still does.

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Speaker 6: I haven't driven by there myself, but you know, a

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Speaker 1: Wait and then and then.

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Speaker 2: Will whoa whoa wait wait wait wait, you know it's

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Speaker 2: to just put it all out there, because you know what,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe she didn't want to fully confront her husband

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Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't want to admit that. But when he

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Speaker 2: I believe somebody out of it and it made all

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Speaker 1: She had to confront it. Do you remember that spectacle?

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Speaker 6: I do? Yeah, No, absolutely, I absolutely do. And I

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Speaker 1: James, are you a shrink? Do you have your psyche

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Speaker 2: Did you go to medal school medical school and it

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 1: Did you did?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: You didn't, neither did I? So let's go to a shrink.

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Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory. Can a single pivotal moment like the

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Speaker 1: Forced to confront on a public forum.

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Speaker 2: That you're husband has been cheating for years and actually

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's huge, and it's seemed to trigger a

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think so. Can it be the impetus? It

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Speaker 13: Yes.

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Speaker 8: Then the other problem that we have is her long

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Speaker 8: and guardianship. Is there no mechanism to eject if what

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Speaker 8: How can she escape? All this other stuff is certainly

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to doctor Dennis C. Dougherty

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Speaker 2: Founder and medical director of Right Relief Health, Doctor Dougherty,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. How is a prior addiction?

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Speaker 2: That was the admission. How can alcohol or a prior

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Speaker 15: You know? Right now we're looking at a different paradigm

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Speaker 2: Guys, is she truly in the throes of dementia? Or

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Speaker 2: all her money? Is that a reason to keep her

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Speaker 1: As her family.

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Speaker 4: We were all sitting on the sidelines watching and she

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Speaker 1: Did you drink this whole thing today? Keep it there? Okay,

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Speaker 16: She has people around who are yes people and allowing

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Speaker 1: This is all too much, though, why I have no

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Speaker 1: I think she's losing memory. Have you guys noticed that?

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Speaker 1: How dare him? I control me? From Lifetimes? Where is

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Speaker 3: After her show's cancelation and a shocking dementia diagnosis. In

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Speaker 2: It's very hard for many of us to believe that

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Speaker 2: Fargo believes those closest to Wendy are bleeding her dry

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Speaker 1: And look at this from Lifetime, Well, lom has.

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Speaker 8: Done a great job making it seem like everything.

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Speaker 1: Is okay always Wendy makes you look here, Laurens, But

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Speaker 1: in reality there's something wrong going. Did you see a

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, No, I can't do this, I can't

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Speaker 8: I have to sit down again.

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Speaker 16: She put in front of Joe and given a guardian

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Speaker 2: That from our friends at Lifetime it's their new dot

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Speaker 2: Where is Wendy Williams In the last days, Those around

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Speaker 14: At the care facility her guardian has placed her in.

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Speaker 14: Williams does not have any of her personal belonging to

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Speaker 14: She cannot receive them. Williams cannot leave her room without

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Speaker 14: a staff member unlocking the door, much less make a

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Speaker 14: trip to the store, not that she has any of

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Speaker 14: her own money to spend anyway. Williams is not allowed

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Speaker 14: to travel to her family and visits must be pre approved.

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Speaker 14: Family members are fearful Williams could be moved to a

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Speaker 14: new facility without their knowledge.

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Speaker 1: This is amazing. How is that? If it's to be.

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Speaker 2: Believed happening to Wendy Williams. You know, I remember vividly

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Speaker 2: the Free Brittany movement. No one seems to be speaking

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Speaker 2: out for Wendy Williams to James Battuska joining us seeing

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Speaker 2: your showbiz reporter at dailymail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Are those living conditions that we just heard? Is that true?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 6: You know, actually I had a conversation with the family

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Speaker 6: who I'm in constant contact with Wendy's you know, direct family,

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Speaker 6: her you know, her son, and also other family members.

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Speaker 6: And actually, you know what I found is, you know,

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Speaker 6: what they said recently is interesting And it's not that

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Speaker 6: they don't believe that you know, Wendy, you know that

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Speaker 6: she needs no care, like they're open to you know,

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Speaker 6: her her possibly you know, you know, seeking no care,

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Speaker 6: but they wanted it to be in Florida. They want

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Speaker 6: her to be around the family. They don't want her

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Speaker 6: to be isolated in New York. And you know, they're

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Speaker 6: open to having her, you know, take evaluations and even

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Speaker 6: you know, undergo if she needs you know, some some

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Speaker 6: basically you know help on the side. You know, they

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Speaker 6: want to be the ones to do it. And I

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Speaker 6: think that's you know, I think that's a fair request.

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Speaker 6: You know that that she's being given.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me the family wants to oversee her rehab.

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Speaker 6: The family wants her to move. The family wants her

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Speaker 6: to be in Florida. That's basically the whole The whole

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Speaker 6: thing right now is that you know, if she needs

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Speaker 6: if she needs, you know, care, she needs some help

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Speaker 6: on the side or whatever. You know that they're willing to,

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Speaker 6: you know, to do it, but you know they can't

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Speaker 6: do it if you know they're all in Florida and

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Speaker 6: she's in New York. You know, they want her to

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Speaker 6: be there so that they can, you know, have have

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Speaker 6: her close. And she that's what she wants too, That's

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Speaker 6: all she wants, James.

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Speaker 2: Regarding where she is now, you have spoken to her

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Speaker 2: very recently. She has no personal belongings or electronics. She

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Speaker 2: has a phone, but can only make calls, not receive.

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Speaker 2: She cannot leave her room without a staff member unlocking

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Speaker 2: the door.

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Speaker 1: Is this true?

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Speaker 6: I mean when I spoke to here in October, I

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Speaker 6: called her and she picked up the phone. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if it was a cell phone orr housephone, but

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Speaker 6: she did pick up the phone, you know, and she

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Speaker 6: you know, showed me she was making breakfast. So I'm

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Speaker 6: not sure exactly you know, all those specifics, but I

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Speaker 6: do know that, you know, I'm sure she's restricted on

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Speaker 6: many things as she says, you know, but as far

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Speaker 6: as you know, electronics going and she she picked up

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Speaker 6: in Hello.

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Speaker 2: Interesting Tom Ruskin joining us now private investigator and president

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Speaker 2: of CMP Protective and Investigative Group. For my purposes, Former

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Speaker 2: New York City Police detective investigator Tom thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. Now, who are we supposed to trust

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Speaker 2: the facility holding her under those draconian, very harsh conditions

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Speaker 2: if they are to be believed, or.

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Speaker 1: Her family and seemingly wells.

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Speaker 2: Fargo was concerned that the family was bleeding her dry,

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Speaker 2: that they were actually hurting her. Many people claim the

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Speaker 2: same thing about Britney Spears's father.

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Speaker 13: Listen, Britney spears father Jamie is back in the headlines,

516
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Speaker 13: this time suggusting the pop superstar has dementia. Fans have

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Speaker 13: disputed the explosive claim, seeing it couldn't be possible that

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Speaker 13: Spears had dementia while releasing four albums as well as

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Speaker 13: putting on high energy global tours in over two hundred

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Speaker 13: and fifty Las Vegas shows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get that either. How could she do

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Speaker 2: all that, Tom Ruskin, but have dementia? No? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a shrink, but it just doesn't make sense

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Speaker 2: to me. And in this case, if Wendy can talk

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Speaker 2: to James Vetusk, James Vituska on the phone, can give

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Speaker 2: interviews outlining the conditions of her guardianship. How could she

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Speaker 2: do that and have such horrible dementia she can't live

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Speaker 2: alone that she has to be in a facility. How

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Speaker 2: do you ferret that out?

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Speaker 1: Tom? How do you find the truth? As an investigator?

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Speaker 10: You systematically go out. You can conduct surveillances, you do interviews,

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Speaker 10: and you try and determine what the facts are. We're

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Speaker 10: a finder of the facts and then we turn it

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Speaker 10: over either to the court or to an attorney like Elizabeth,

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Speaker 10: or a law firm that we're working for, or the

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Speaker 10: family and basically reveal what we find. This is a

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Speaker 10: very complicated case because you don't know to believe the bank,

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Speaker 10: you don't know to believe the family. And from what

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Speaker 10: you're learning from the reporter, she sounded normal and the

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Speaker 10: capable of handling her own affairs.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Guys.

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Speaker 2: At a certain point, Britney Spears demanded to be heard

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Speaker 2: by the court.

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Speaker 13: Listen, Britney Spears wants to address the judge and her

545
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Speaker 13: can servetorship case during today's hearings. Spears court appointed attorney,

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Speaker 13: so that the pop star wants to address the judge

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Speaker 13: in court He did not say what the thirty nine

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Speaker 13: year old singer wants to say, and the judge did

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Speaker 13: not say if she would grant the request to Elizabeth

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Speaker 13: Jay McInturff, joining US high profile lawyer specializing in guardianship issues, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 13: why can't Wendy Williams have a hearing like the one

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Speaker 13: Britney Spears demanded and got?

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Speaker 12: That is actually what her attorneys are moving to do

554
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Speaker 12: right now, is they are moving to have a termination hearing,

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Speaker 12: to have the court review current records and what has

556
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Speaker 12: gone on in the guardianship, including her own health, and

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Speaker 12: whether or not she still needs to be under a guardianship.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth McInturff, He just went into deafcon for warp speed ten.

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Speaker 1: Could you rephrase that in regular people talk?

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Speaker 13: Sure?

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Speaker 12: So, Mis Williams clearly does not want to be under

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Speaker 12: a guardianship anymore and does not feel that she needs

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Speaker 12: to be under one medically or otherwise. She has asked

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Speaker 12: her attorneys to file a petition with the court to

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Speaker 12: terminate her guardianship, and that's what they're doing. So Miss

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Speaker 12: Williams and her attorneys are going to go before the

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Speaker 12: court and put on their evidence and say these are

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Speaker 12: the reasons why this guardianship is no longer or not needed,

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Speaker 12: and you should release me from it, or maybe even

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Speaker 12: modify it so that there's some least restrictive means that

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Speaker 12: can be employed here. And by least restrictive means, we

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Speaker 12: mean so maybe she has access to some accounts or

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Speaker 12: the phone if she is really being kept from it.

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Speaker 2: Guys, take a listen to our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ.

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Speaker 16: Feels like you're screaming for help. Are you allowed to

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Speaker 16: go out now?

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Speaker 4: In the last thirty days, I went out twice.

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Speaker 16: This sounds more like a prison than independence.

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Speaker 4: I want my right back, I want my freedom back.

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Speaker 16: DMZ presents Saving Wendy now streaming on two B.

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Speaker 1: That's from our friend Harvey Levin, Saving Wendy.

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Speaker 3: Are they keeping her safe or keeping her quiet? TV

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Speaker 3: host Wendy Williams flights back against Glaim. She's incapacitated in

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Speaker 3: a conservatorship struggle. As your guardian agrees to a new

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Speaker 3: medical evaluation.

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Speaker 2: What conservator would try to disallow Wendy from seeing her

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Speaker 2: father on his ninety fourth birthday.

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Speaker 16: Listen, Wendy, your dad is turning ninety four in February

589
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Speaker 16: and he's up there in age, and I know you

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Speaker 16: will want to go to Miami to see him and

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Speaker 16: celebrate his birthday because you don't know how many more

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Speaker 16: they are going.

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Speaker 12: To be right exactly.

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Speaker 16: That must be important for you.

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Speaker 17: It's extremely important.

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Speaker 4: It's extremely important.

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Speaker 17: To see my dad for his birthday, you know. And

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Speaker 17: that is a family thing.

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Speaker 4: It's not just a me thing, you know.

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Speaker 17: I would wish that along with celebrating my dad's ninety

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Speaker 17: fourth birthday, that we as a family, we come together

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Speaker 17: in peace and harmony. That's what I wish.

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Speaker 12: Like that.

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Speaker 1: That is breaking my heart. She clearly is lucid.

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Speaker 2: That again is for our friend Harvey Levin at teams

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Speaker 2: A saving Wendy on to be okay, Doctor John Delatory,

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Speaker 2: Should I believe that conservator or my lion eyes because

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Speaker 2: she was extremely lucid?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, she seemed extremely lucid. That's why it's important

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Speaker 8: to have one of these independent evaluators take a look

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Speaker 8: at all of these other underlying issues. There's a whole

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Speaker 8: lot of nuance that goes into conducting these guardianship evaluations

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Speaker 8: that sometimes someone can be appropriate, but other times they're

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Speaker 8: not a p which means that maybe they don't need

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Speaker 8: a full.

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Speaker 2: Wait right way, wait wait, doctor delatory. I don't like

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Speaker 2: it when people start talking about women behaving inappropriately. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's the right word. She may be

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Speaker 2: as inappropriate as she wants to, but the issue is

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Speaker 2: is she mentally ill? Can she not control her business,

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Speaker 2: her finances? And according to Tom Ruskin, who's a pro

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Speaker 2: with this, are people around her facilitating her illness.

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Speaker 1: In order to get to her money? That's the question?

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Speaker 1: Can she find that off? And the irony.

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Speaker 2: Wendy Williams led the charge to quote, free Brittany.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm part of the army. Now, free Brittany. Leave

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Speaker 1: Brittany alone.

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Speaker 18: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm there. I'm there, I'm there. How

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Speaker 18: dare you? I don't like the mother. I don't like

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Speaker 18: the father. Jamie Lynn, where were you to help your

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Speaker 18: sister out? I don't like you.

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Speaker 8: I don't like any of them, none of them.

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Speaker 18: Fire everybody and escape now Brittany.

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Speaker 1: She ain't afraid to tell it.

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Speaker 2: That's from the official Wendy Williams show. The irony that

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Speaker 2: she was trying to help free Britney, which she did,

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Speaker 2: and now no one is freeing Wendy and she goes on, listen.

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Speaker 1: How dare you, mister Spears. You had me fooled?

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Speaker 7: And you too, missus Spears, death to all of them.

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Speaker 1: That from the Official Wendy Williams Show. And she was not.

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Speaker 2: Afraid to call out family members and more that she

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Speaker 2: believed we're keeping Britney Spears in a horrible conservatorship. Whether

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Speaker 2: you like what Britney's doing now or not, that is her.

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Speaker 2: She is a decision to make. And she called out

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Speaker 2: other people too.

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Speaker 1: Listen to me, I will Lucy, stop it. Denial is

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Speaker 1: a river in Egypt.

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Speaker 2: Your husband is day Okay, she said that.

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Speaker 1: That's from the Wendy Williams experience.

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Speaker 2: Now listen to her calling it out on the Wendy

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Speaker 2: Williams Show.

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Speaker 18: Ricardo Tucci, you know Kanye's special friend.

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Speaker 1: She's a very good friend of Kanye's. I didn't say

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Speaker 1: a word.

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Speaker 18: Because Kanye was probably in the corner talking about yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Kanze oh girl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's from the Official Wendy Williams Show.

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Speaker 1: She would be having a sill day right now with

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Speaker 1: Kanye and Beyoncusten. Sorry, don't you know it?

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Speaker 18: And more because fortunately one of the TV's in Our

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Speaker 18: Kitchen has close captioning, so I'll be able to understand

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Speaker 18: what she says.

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Speaker 1: She you know, Beyonce can't talk you all.

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Speaker 4: Beyonce sounds like she's got a fifth grade education.

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Speaker 12: She can't talk.

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Speaker 2: Wendy Williams added, again, that's from the official Wendy Williams show.

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Speaker 2: Those are just examples of her being fearless and saying

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Speaker 2: whatever she thought and calling people on the rug, calling

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Speaker 2: them out when she sent something was off. But you

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Speaker 2: know what, nobody seems to be doing that for Wendy.

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Speaker 18: As far as you stand with drug use use going

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Speaker 18: on at this present time.

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Speaker 5: Whitney talking to me, I'm talking to me about that

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 1: A full blown cocaine out of my mind move on. Well,

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Speaker 1: seems like Wendy had it right. Uh.

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Speaker 2: She was speaking with Whitney Houston and confronting her about

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Speaker 2: her cocaine alleged cocaine issue and fully admits.

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Speaker 1: Her own battle with drugs.

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Speaker 2: Even admitting on many times, including on NPR, that battle

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Speaker 2: was with crack cocaine, which she defeated. That was Wendy

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Speaker 2: Williams speaking to Whitney Houston on wb LSFM.

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Speaker 1: This woman at the top of the pinnacle listen.

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Speaker 11: After a successful trial run of The Wendy Williams Show,

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Speaker 11: the talk show is broadcast internationally and Garner's two point

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Speaker 11: four million daily viewers. Williams trades off with Ellen DeGeneres

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Speaker 11: as the number one female daytime television host for years.

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Speaker 11: The daily show runs for twelve years straight, while Williams

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Speaker 11: starts her own reality TV production company with her manager

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Speaker 11: and husband Kevin Hunter.

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Speaker 2: To Tom Ruskin joining us now and private investigator President

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Speaker 2: of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, former NYPD detective Tom,

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Speaker 2: how do we get to the bottom of this going

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Speaker 2: in front of the same judge that put her in

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Speaker 2: the concertoship to start with? We're in need more than

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Speaker 2: that to free Wendy. If that is in fact what

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Speaker 2: is appropriate, and I believe that it is. How do

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Speaker 2: you prove either she is Melli coop competent or that

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Speaker 2: she was being victimized by people for her money.

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Speaker 10: We'd have to conduct a very detailed, complex investigation. But

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Speaker 10: when you're showing the Harvey Levin tape of him interviewing

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Speaker 10: her with a camera on the window, she seemed very

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Speaker 10: coherent there. And let me tell you, as a police officer.

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Speaker 10: As a former police officer, I saw very high stress

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Speaker 10: situations like what you described happen to Britney Spear's house,

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Speaker 10: helicopters overhead, cops at the ready. The person who's either

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Speaker 10: acting out that day is high stressed. You have to

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Speaker 10: bring it down. As a police officer, you bring those

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Speaker 10: situations down. So for Wendy Williams to be acting out

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Speaker 10: at certain times is not someone who's disturbed. We call

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Speaker 10: a NEDP emotionally disturbed person. It's just someone who's acting

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Speaker 10: out rationally and irrational.

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Speaker 2: Time to Sydney Sumner joining us from commonline dot com.

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Speaker 2: How long has Wendy been in a con servitorship, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: We're coming up on three years. She was put under

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Speaker 9: this guardianship in March of twenty twenty two. Morrissey was

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Speaker 9: confirmed as her guardian in May of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 9: So we're coming up on three years where Wendy has

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Speaker 9: not been allowed to have any agency over her own life.

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Speaker 2: Seeing you know, just like Tom Ruskin, private investigator said

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Speaker 2: that video of Harvey speaking to her and she could

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Speaker 2: only speak to him through a glass window.

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Speaker 1: She looked desperate, but lucid free Wendy Williams. We remember

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Speaker 1: now an American hero police officer, Jeremy Lebunti rosal P D, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: just twenty four, shot and killed in the line of duty,

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Speaker 1: survived by grieving wife now widow alyssa American hero police

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Speaker 1: officer Jeremy La Bunty. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.