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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zigura.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's still alive, merely Bo the GREATZ. I

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Speaker 2: gotta tell you. I like this.

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Speaker 3: This is nice.

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Speaker 2: This is a nice black blacktop for you. Let's stand

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Speaker 2: on you. You look good. Hey, it's game week Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: Week one. Let's go on to the Jaguars. No, week two.

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Speaker 4: No, it'd be week two.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is preseason play.

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Speaker 5: It was not.

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Speaker 4: No, I are you sure? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I was well aware.

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Speaker 5: Are you sure?

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Speaker 2: I thought that this was the last week of preseason play.

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Speaker 2: You were incorrect. We act like that.

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Speaker 4: No, it was also not the last week of preseason

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Speaker 4: play for the Bengals or the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Come on, come on, it's great, Come on, it's great. Now, yes, look,

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Speaker 2: how do you want to do it? How do you

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Speaker 2: what do you want to do here? This is widely disappointing.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me of nineteen Eve and I.

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Speaker 4: I said that on the broadcasts it was a debacle

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Speaker 4: is what it was.

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Speaker 2: It was unmitigated.

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Speaker 4: It was a it was you were beaten soundly in

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Speaker 4: all three phases of this football game. Uh, offensively, it was.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately it was it was dreadful, and we'll get it.

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Speaker 4: I've watched all twenty two of all three phases. I

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Speaker 4: watched the offense about twice through, including some of the

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Speaker 4: TV copies. I was curious, hear what Brady and I

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Speaker 4: thought he was. He's going to be good. Fine, he's

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Speaker 4: going to be good.

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Speaker 2: People on Socialist want to hate things. Of course, Oh

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Speaker 2: he sucks, he's he's fine, he was fine. I watched

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Speaker 2: the whole game. He was fine. Look like you forgot

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Speaker 2: he was up there, which I think that's probably the idea.

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Speaker 5: Idea.

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Speaker 2: You gotta remember they didn't hire him to be to

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Speaker 2: reinvent how to broadcast football. They hired him to be

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Speaker 2: the face of Fox and to give his and to

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Speaker 2: get the association with him. That's what they hired him for.

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Speaker 4: So and his insight.

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Speaker 2: He'll do that in spades.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he will be. He will be quite good. So

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Speaker 4: you can kind of steer me. I've got thoughts on everything.

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Speaker 4: I've taken a copy's notes on everything. This was, you know,

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Speaker 4: a game in which the Cleveland Browns had one first

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Speaker 4: down in the first half. I don't think that Deshaun

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Speaker 4: Watson was good enough. I think that he would be

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Speaker 4: the first to admit that. I think it is also

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Speaker 4: fallacy to say that he is the reason the sole

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Speaker 4: reason our offense was been. Our offensive line had a

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Speaker 4: horrif horrific game, probably the worst game by a Browns

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Speaker 4: offensive line I've seen in my time here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, one thing that there's a lot a lot of

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Speaker 2: ways to go here, but one of the things you

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Speaker 2: asked me, whatever you guy, lets let's let's go here.

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Speaker 2: I'll try and try and keep it between the navigational beacons. Please,

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Speaker 2: all right, is it possible that and we'll get to

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Speaker 2: Deshaun and we'll get to the procedural stuff and all

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Speaker 2: of it. But is it possible that we, not necessarily

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Speaker 2: you and I, but as an organization, as and everything,

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Speaker 2: did we undersell the loss of Bill Callahan.

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Speaker 4: I will need a bigger sample size, but I don't,

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Speaker 4: By the way, I don't think we did undersell it.

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Speaker 4: I think we talked about was the most significant position

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Speaker 4: position coach loss that was possible in the entirety of

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Speaker 4: the National Football League. So I don't think we undersold it.

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Speaker 2: I guess we did say that, So that's so fair

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Speaker 2: we did. It looked like a new regime upfront we

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Speaker 2: were there is and we'll get to DeShawn. I know

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Speaker 2: that's what everybody wants to talk about again it Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We'll go to talk about it all. But in turn

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Speaker 4: start here's let's start in the trenches.

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Speaker 2: Because the one thing that we have been since Kevin

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Speaker 2: on both lines of scrimmage for most of the games

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Speaker 2: we play. We're usually the better offensive line, and we're

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Speaker 2: and we have other things that sometimes we aren't as good,

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Speaker 2: why we've got an AFC Championship game. But usually upfront,

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Speaker 2: offensively we're pretty damn good. And we were not good yesterday.

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Speaker 4: We allowed the most pressures in the league, We allowed

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Speaker 4: the most quarterback hits in the league. We allowed seventeen

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Speaker 4: quarterback hits in this game, folks. The NFL average was

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Speaker 4: four point seven hits per game around the league. I

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Speaker 4: did every single game went through it. In fact, the

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Speaker 4: only game where if you added up the quarterback hits

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Speaker 4: That game went to overtime and Matt Stafford was playing

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Speaker 4: without not one, not two, but three of his four

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Speaker 4: offensive and he was still hit two thirds as often

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Speaker 4: as Deshaun Watson. And now, certainly some of these hits

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Speaker 4: are on the quarterback for how long he held the ball.

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Speaker 4: There were other plenty of times where he was hit

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Speaker 4: the second he threw it. There was one play where

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Speaker 4: he threw the ball really as soon as he caught

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Speaker 4: it in shotgun and he was being hit. He got

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Speaker 4: out of multiple sacks. You heard Micah Parson say, you

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Speaker 4: know that he has a lot of respect for Shawn

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Speaker 4: Watson because he thought he had him for three sacks.

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Speaker 4: Heiling ended up getting one. They hit him a bunch

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Speaker 4: of times, so our pass blocking efficiency was not good

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Speaker 4: if you go across the line. Obviously, James Hudson struggled.

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna give you kind of the pro football focus,

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Speaker 4: like these are their their facts of the matter.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: On our offensive line in terms of pass blocking in

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Speaker 4: this you had Wyatt Teller gave up one pressure. He

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Speaker 4: not a single pressure and was our highest graded pass

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Speaker 2: Not bad for a guy who was prognosticated not to

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Speaker 4: James Hudson gave up six, Ethan Post gave up six,

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Speaker 4: Joel Buttonio gave up five, and in true passets Joel Botonio,

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Speaker 4: who is a stalwart and he is as good as

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Speaker 4: it gets. It was just one of his probably worst

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Speaker 4: which you guys saw that was Jordan Phillips just went

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Speaker 4: right around him and absolutely speared Deshaun who hung in

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Speaker 4: the pocket and threw a catch a wall. It should

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Speaker 4: have been touchdown. There are a lot of issues with

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Speaker 4: they were working on a lot of you know, twists

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Speaker 4: they were just bull rushing our offensive line and driving

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Speaker 4: it happened over a dozen times in this game where

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Speaker 4: there was nowhere for DeShawn to step up. Now, did

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Speaker 4: DeShawn leave clean pockets? Yes he did. Did DeShawn miss

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Speaker 4: some throws and some reeds, Yes, he most certainly did.

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Speaker 4: Was he under more dressed than any quarterback in the

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Also that is also true this team. And I'll go

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Speaker 4: back to the joint practices because I said it in Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: After those joint practices of the Minnesota remember we were

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Speaker 4: getting it was sack sack, sack, sack, sack, sack, sack,

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Speaker 4: And I said a time, it's not just James Hudson.

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Speaker 4: That is a fun thing to point to. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: it was not just James Hudson. The interior three, which

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Speaker 4: still believe will Be just got off to a slow start.

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Speaker 4: People say, oh, well, we didn't play starts postik and

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Speaker 4: Teller played in two of the preseason games. No, Joel Buttonia,

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Speaker 4: that's correct. You did not see him. Hudson play in

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Speaker 4: the preseason games. Obviously, Dewan played in the preseason games

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Speaker 4: this game, came back in. But you know, Wyatt played

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Speaker 4: well and Dewan played well. Two fifty were offensive line.

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Speaker 4: In terms of pass blocking. The rest not great. And

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Speaker 4: it's something if you can't have the integrity of the pocket.

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Speaker 4: People always say, oh, you got to step up in

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Speaker 4: the pocket, step up. If there's nowhere to step up,

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Speaker 4: it's very difficult, and you've got to go to the outsides,

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Speaker 4: and then you're putting yourself in disadvantageous situations.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 4: Next thing, by the way, I've not even done on

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Speaker 4: the alane. Okay, from a run blocking standpoint, we were

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Speaker 4: not great either. The Browns in this game ran for

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Speaker 4: ninety three yards and that includes Deshaun Watson. Let's take

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Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson out of it. Okay, the Browns basically were

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Speaker 4: running the majority of their yards after contact. You were

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Speaker 4: not even before he took contact. That's not good enough. Also,

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Speaker 4: where was Deontae Foreman.

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Speaker 2: Well, we only ran it fourteen times with our backs,

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Speaker 2: that's right. In the game. So you were behind the

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Speaker 2: and I don't have the stats, perhaps you do. I

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Speaker 2: I mean I don't have the stats of Jerome.

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Speaker 4: Ford and Pierre Strung had five carries in the first.

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Speaker 2: Half, okay, so I believe I had that. Then nine

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Speaker 2: So like we didn't attempt to run it, which dove

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Speaker 2: stails back into your conversation about the offensive line. It's

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Speaker 2: pretty easy to be very good and come after somebody relentlessly.

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Speaker 2: If there was nothing to fear on the ground and

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Speaker 2: there's nothing to fear over the top, Yeah, you can

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Speaker 2: just pin your ears back and go like crazy. And

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Speaker 4: Oh and the pre snap penalties eleven penalties putting us,

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Speaker 4: as you talked about, behind the six. Here's another stet

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Speaker 4: from week one for you. The league average to be

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Speaker 4: in third and long was twenty one point nine percent

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Speaker 4: seven or more. The Browns were at forty six point

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Speaker 4: two percent of their third downs worth third and seven

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Speaker 4: or more. You cannot play football that way. They were

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Speaker 4: one for twelve on those third down conversions. They put

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Speaker 4: themselves behind the sticks. They were awful on first down.

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Speaker 4: We had to be the worst first down team in

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Speaker 4: the NFL yesterday. Yeah, our runs, which most of our

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Speaker 4: as I said, there were so many things that went

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Speaker 4: on in this game, all of which were bad. Right,

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Speaker 4: you talk about your quarterback did not have his best day.

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Speaker 4: We were credited with four drops in this game by

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Speaker 4: Pro Football Focus. We can't drop football, and of the

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Speaker 4: It was, and I know that that's I know that that

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Speaker 4: every level. Deshaun Watson zero for four on passes of

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Speaker 2: You want to know how there could have been a

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Speaker 4: Ball back at twenty seven to seventeen, right like you, so.

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Speaker 2: mean we've talked about this all off season, like and

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Speaker 2: Of course, if you have a franchise quarterback, and you

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Speaker 4: Just And again, these are this is not my these

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Speaker 4: that there were throws that were missed from an accuracy standpoint,

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Speaker 4: not have his best game. The line had had one

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Speaker 4: it all adds up to a completely wholly ineffective offense

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Speaker 4: that turned you into first and fifteens constantly. I mean

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Speaker 4: we're in third and ten of few like every single time,

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Speaker 4: These are not my grades. They had deshaun as in

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Speaker 2: That's their great because this says the game's over at half,

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Speaker 4: He was trying to bring it back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he really was.

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Speaker 4: I was not saying, I'm just saying, take her to

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Speaker 4: the green salt. Well, I think that the perception right

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Speaker 4: that's not that's not true. It needs to be better.

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Speaker 4: It was not an acceptable performance from this offense. The

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Speaker 2: I also, I think when you are in the position

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Speaker 4: They went, they went? Was it the first three and out?

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Speaker 2: There it is Siciliano whot it over there? Yeah, he

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Speaker 4: And then I then they scored and went seven to three.

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Speaker 4: Well, here we go three and out, Yeah, six yards

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Speaker 4: They got some room, then a three and out, then

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Speaker 2: McCarthy did a great job, especially in the first quarter,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're back out there. So we had what

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Speaker 4: We had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven straight

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Speaker 2: Michael Parsons eleven would be one you'd want to make sure.

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Speaker 4: Because if you're going that way, he's too big of

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Speaker 2: I thought the deep and I thought the defense came.

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Speaker 2: You're like, you got a chance. You get it to

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Speaker 2: we just weren't able to. I I'll hold.

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Speaker 4: Judgement alas had two first downs in the second half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll hold you. I thought the defense was in

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Speaker 4: They were in a lot of bad spots. They made some

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Speaker 2: The blown on the thornhill one on the touchdown. That's

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Speaker 2: you know, what is that a coverage is that we

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Speaker 4: So I think everybody was on the same page except

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so those things happened.

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Speaker 4: They changed the coverage when Yeah, they came out there

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Speaker 4: My guess was man, yeah, and then they changed it,

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Speaker 2: And everybody else wasn't it. Yeah, Yeah, So there's a

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Speaker 4: Who won, and they didn't even score a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: They did not score a touchdown, So Pittsburgh won. We

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Speaker 2: got a lot of things to clean up. Obviously, it's

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Speaker 4: Now, well, then don't give him one hundred million.

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Speaker 2: I agree. Maybe they didn't know how broke. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't know until you got him there, and.

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Speaker 4: He looked like foot was broken. It just looked like

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Speaker 4: his brain was I mean.

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Speaker 2: Too like I don't know if you how close you watched,

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Speaker 2: but like a lot of times you would see like

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Speaker 2: facial exasperation when he tried to make a throw, like

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Speaker 2: he was really having to get everything under it to

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Speaker 2: throw it. And I saw that I went oof.

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Speaker 4: I mean I watched. I got to watch a ton

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Speaker 4: of the one o'clock games because we kicked off at

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Speaker 4: four twenty five.

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Speaker 7: Sucks.

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Speaker 2: I hate four twentive.

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Speaker 4: By the way, it was not enjoyable.

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Speaker 2: No, not in any way we do the way.

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Speaker 4: It was kind of like Buffer right out of the gate.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw this.

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Speaker 2: Was this on teav No, I didn't see that, so

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Speaker 2: they knew Michael Buffer was there.

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Speaker 4: Michael Buffer was there? Yeah, to do Let's get ready

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Speaker 4: to rumble? Sure, and does the whole you know, the

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Speaker 4: thousand in attendance, the millions watching at home. We're here

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Speaker 4: at sorry Huntington bank Field. Let's get ready to rumble. No,

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Speaker 4: that was not on television. That was a forbear to

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Speaker 4: me of things to things to come.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we do have an update.

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Speaker 4: It was painful. It was when you say it was

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Speaker 4: five seconds, it felt like five minutes to give. I

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Speaker 4: mean he even took the mic.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, we all looked at it like the whole stadium

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Speaker 5: got quiet, like.

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Speaker 7: What it did?

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Speaker 1: Huh uh?

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Speaker 5: Comebine. I don't know what you're supposed to say.

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Speaker 2: It just freeze right like he probably was.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't ready to run, and it turns out neither

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Speaker 2: Now the news gets worse, rap sheet reporting the chief

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Speaker 2: with a high ankle sprain. We'll hear from coach on that,

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Speaker 2: among other things. Andrew Siliano coming up in about fifteen

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Speaker 2: back for the Joe Thomas Hour. Certainly not the way

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Speaker 2: we started wanted to start the season, but also still

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Speaker 2: plenty of season left ahead of us. Will continue to

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Speaker 2: Some guys dealing with some injuries.

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Speaker 6: Mohurst has an ankle injury, Dave Nijoku ankle, Tony Field's ankle,

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Speaker 6: Mamoud Diabates is really a hip. Those guys are all

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Speaker 6: week to week of more information as we go through

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Speaker 6: this week. Like we talked about yesterday, disappointed with the

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Speaker 6: results yesterday. We need to be better in a bunch

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Speaker 6: of different areas and that's what today is about, being

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Speaker 6: looking at the tape seeing the areas that we can

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Speaker 6: be better, and there's a lot of them. So that's

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Speaker 6: what we're doing. We're identifying those things. We're gonna get

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Speaker 6: him corrected and then we're on to Jacksonville. But with that,

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Speaker 6: I'll take any questions.

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Speaker 9: Deshaun had a tough time kind of getting into any

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Speaker 9: rhythm yesterday. What would you say was the biggest reason

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Speaker 9: for that?

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Speaker 6: Well, I would say just offensively, it's never a one

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Speaker 6: man show. To get in rhythm with the quarterback, you

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Speaker 6: have to get in rhythm as an offense, and we

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Speaker 6: didn't do that well enough. Whether it was and it's

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Speaker 6: multifaceted and it includes me and includes our coaches, So

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Speaker 6: we'll be better. We'll make sure that we we have

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Speaker 6: an offense where we can move the ball, score some points,

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Speaker 6: but definitely not a one man show.

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Speaker 9: He did miss some throws that we normally see him complete, though, Kevin,

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Speaker 9: from a coaching standpoint, what are kind of the points

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Speaker 9: of emphasis coming off what you saw in film?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's plenty too, correct Tom. You know, specifically to

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Speaker 6: the quarterback. There's gonna be games and there's any throws

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Speaker 6: that you miss, but it's it's making those plays that

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Speaker 6: that are there when you when when they present themselves,

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Speaker 6: and then we just have to do a better job

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Speaker 6: protecting him. Number One, he like I mentioned to you

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Speaker 6: guys last night, we can't allow our quarterback to get

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Speaker 6: hit that many times.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Kevin, in terms of David being week to week,

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Speaker 10: what do you think the outlook is going to be

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Speaker 10: like for you at tight end? I know you have

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Speaker 10: a couple of guys on the practice squad. You have

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Speaker 10: to look outside and what would it be like if

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Speaker 10: you have to be without David for a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, working through all those type of things today and tomorrow,

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Speaker 6: Mary kay. But we have options and we'll work through them.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Kevin, when we talk about the protection, did DeShawn

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Speaker 11: hold the ball too long on some of those plays?

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Speaker 6: As when it relates to protection, and we've kind of

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Speaker 6: talked about this before, and you guys know this, it

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Speaker 6: takes everybody. It takes and it takes the play caller,

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Speaker 6: It takes guys getting open the protection, the quarterback, the

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Speaker 6: tight ends, and the running backs are involved in protection.

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Speaker 6: So certainly there's times that I wish I had done

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Speaker 6: a better job for that offense. I wish Obviously you

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Speaker 6: want to protect longer, you want the quarterback to get

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Speaker 6: the ball out of his hands. All those things are true.

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Speaker 6: We just look at it each play. What can we learn.

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Speaker 2: From those plays? Are there plays that Deshaun wants back?

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Speaker 7: Of course?

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Speaker 6: Are there plays that we need to do better for him?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 11: And I know we've touched on this before, but he's

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Speaker 11: gone through a lot in or been through a lot

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Speaker 11: in the last however many years, hasn't played a ton.

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Speaker 11: Where do you think his confidence level is right now?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean Deshaun's played at a very very high level.

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Speaker 2: He's won at every level of football.

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Speaker 6: He does not lack for confidence.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Kevin, another Deshaun question for it just collectively, I

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Speaker 12: know he said it. It's all encompassing, coaching, supporting, cast everything,

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Speaker 12: but just what can be done really to help DeShawn

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Speaker 12: get that internal clock and the field, that natural feeling,

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Speaker 12: the pressure that we saw him do so well dealing

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Speaker 12: with in his career, and then also to like you know,

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Speaker 12: anticipating and throwing guys open and stuff like that. What

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Speaker 12: just I guess can be done to kind of get

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Speaker 12: Deshaun back to being DeShawn.

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Speaker 6: I think it really goes back Darryl too. We just

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Speaker 6: have to go play our best as we can on offense.

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Speaker 6: And it's every it's coaching, it's players up up and

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Speaker 6: down the roster. That's where we owned what happened yesterday. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: we're not thrilled with those results, but we're gonna learn

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Speaker 6: from it and we'll be better this week.

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Speaker 13: Hey, Kevin, the defense overall, I mean, it just seemed

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Speaker 13: like the issues getting pressure on Dak he was getting

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Speaker 13: the ball out so quickly. What were they doing to

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Speaker 13: kind of neutralize that. Your guys pass rush and especially

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Speaker 13: get away from miles of pressure in particular, it.

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Speaker 6: Seemed like, Yeah, Dallas, you know, it's a good offense

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Speaker 6: that they also, like everybody does when they play us,

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Speaker 6: they always have a plan the ball out quick, you know.

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Speaker 6: And by and large, we played some really good defense

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Speaker 6: in that game. I know there are a couple of

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Speaker 6: drives there that we want back, and we can play better.

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Speaker 6: We absolutely can play better. We can take the ball away,

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Speaker 6: all those type of things, but we just got to

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Speaker 6: focus on doing our job and making those plays when they.

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Speaker 7: Come our way.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Kevin, just wondering, after watching that game and then

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Speaker 10: watching the film, do you have every reason to believe

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Speaker 10: that Deshaun's arm actually is okay and that he's going

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Speaker 10: to be able to go out there early on this

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Speaker 10: season and be effective and successful coming off of this surgery.

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Speaker 6: I do, Mary kay, And let me say with the

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Speaker 6: results yesterday, that's on all of us. We did not

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Speaker 6: play well enough as a team. We certainly didn't play

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Speaker 6: well enough on the offensive side of the ball. We

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Speaker 6: gave a punt return for a touchdown. There are things

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Speaker 6: on defense. I know we can do better. So I

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Speaker 6: understand as the head coach and certainly as the quarterback,

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Speaker 6: you get a lot of the attention, if you will,

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Speaker 6: But this is the greatest team sport there is, and

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Speaker 6: we're focused on getting better as a team this week.

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Speaker 2: Hey, coach, First.

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Speaker 14: Thing, I know we talked about Jack and Jed coming

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Speaker 14: into the leading up to this next week, but we

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Speaker 14: know he was listened as Jack specifically, his listen is

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Speaker 14: questionable coming into Sunday, and he kind of talked about

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Speaker 14: maybe testing things out pregame. Was he close at all

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Speaker 14: to potentially playing yesterday or was that not really something

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Speaker 14: that was on your mind when you got to the

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Speaker 14: stadium yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Well, no, I mean he's we listened to a questionable

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Speaker 6: He's continuing to work very hard and get close h

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Speaker 6: Sunday wasn't was not there yet, but he's working very hard.

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Speaker 11: Thank you too quick is MJ said he had an

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Speaker 11: ankle and had to leave and come back.

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Speaker 3: Do you know if he's okay, you should be okay.

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Speaker 13: Yes, all right, thanks coach.

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Speaker 11: Appreciate thanks us.

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Speaker 2: some of the more thrilling games from a year ago.

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Speaker 2: This was last year. Yeah, the streak is over. The

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Speaker 2: streak is over. I mean you were the good good

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Speaker 15: First of all, good to see you guys, good to

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Speaker 15: be good to see in the building here on a Monday.

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Speaker 3: It was bad. Look, there's no there's no way to

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Speaker 15: Like I think you you you lose the fans if

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Speaker 15: you come here and you try to tell people.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, there's a lot of good. There wasn't that.

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Speaker 3: There just was not.

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Speaker 15: And I think to Fancy said that an hour ago. Nope,

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Speaker 15: it was good, Like forget about it. But you can't

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Speaker 15: forget about it.

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00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

658
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 15: Like we all say, hey, let's be positive, just go

659
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 15: win to Jacksonville. Yes, that obviously is the theme of

660
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 15: the week. But you can't just pretend as if it

661
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 15: didn't happen. It did happen, and now you got to

662
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 15: get back and fix it, whether it's the old line

663
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 15: or getting Deshan to get the ball out quicker. I

664
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 15: think the defensive issues.

665
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: Are far more or far more easily fixed, better say,

666
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: but you got to go do it.

667
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 15: And like I said before earlier when I was on

668
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 15: the radio, like you go do that and you beat Jacksonville,

669
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 15: then look you're one in one. You're back at home

670
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 15: against the Giants. Maybe they wear those Heinus in your

671
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 15: uniforms again. Maybe maybe you get Drew Locke, maybe you

672
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 15: get Daniel Jones. I don't know who you get, but

673
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 15: you get a team back at home with your fans

674
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 15: back in your building, with a chance to put a

675
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 15: better product on the field, to get them riled up

676
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 15: and get that you know, home field advantagy you had

677
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 15: a year ago.

678
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: But you got to get there.

679
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: Yes, you do. And we kind of looked at the

680
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: beginning part of the schedule and we thought three and

681
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: one would be the appropriate run, which is.

682
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 3: Still eminently, imminently doable.

683
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: It's in play, but now it just is your point.

684
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: This game in Jacksonville takes on a whole lot more

685
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 4: meaning than maybe it would have if you come in

686
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: there want to.

687
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 15: Know see you and I were talking about that getting

688
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 15: lunch just now, I would have argued that game meant more. Look,

689
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 15: I know, emotionally the big stage, Tom Brady for twenty

690
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 15: five Eastern Time, all the hype eight months right to

691
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 15: get ready for this game. That logically, that's the bigger game.

692
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 15: Jacksonville is the conference.

693
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: It's an in game.

694
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 15: Jacksonville is the team that you potentially in December could

695
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 15: be doing the math on a tie breaker. Yep, against

696
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 15: that one's bigger.

697
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree though that it's not

698
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: the result, it's the look of it. Yeah, that's the look.

699
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: Dallas is good. They won the East a year ago.

700
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: You and I maybe under sold their roster. I mean

701
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought, what did they do this offseason?

702
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: They didn't.

703
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: They didn't do much, but they did get CD locked up.

704
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: They got Dak locked up. On game day that fifth

705
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: round pick A corner looked damn good.

706
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: That the.

707
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: Man, he looked good, and they got after it. They

708
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: were They didn't really need to run it much because

709
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: they got ahead early and Dak was really accurate in

710
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: the first half, and and they were kind of in

711
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 2: cruise control from there on out. So they they're a

712
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: good team. This isn't like down in Cincinnati they lost

713
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: to what I think most people consider one of the

714
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: two or three worst teams in football.

715
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: They were in the conversation and probably still are for

716
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: the number one.

717
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah pick yeah, Carolina, Carolina. Holy hell, but look at

718
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: that for a second.

719
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: Yes, you're totally right.

720
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 15: The absurdity of what we just said, like we're being

721
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 15: sarcastic here, Carolina is the They're gonna get number one.

722
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 15: There's a lot that could happen. Of course, Queen now

723
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 15: and January whatever they.

724
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 4: And listen, the fact of the matter is, and you

725
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 4: know this, we all know this very well. I fell

726
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 4: as a week two week league. Ultimately, at some point

727
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: you stack those things up. But the reactions, because of

728
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 4: the way that this game is set up, especially after

729
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 4: a week one in the NFL, everybody thinks, whatever we

730
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 4: just saw is what it is, and then week two

731
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 4: in many cases is maybe more important and more telling,

732
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: because whatever you saw in week one you have to

733
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 4: either adjust to it or other teams adjust to what

734
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: you did well and go from there.

735
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you argue week two is more important.

736
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 4: Yes, because can you It couldn't have gone worse. So

737
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 4: who are you? Who are the Cleveland Browns. You're gonna

738
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: look at this tape, You're gonna look at how you

739
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 4: got demolished by the Dallas Cowboys, and what are you

740
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: going to be coming out of that?

741
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I keep coming back to the look. Yeah,

742
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: look bad if you lose thirty eight thirty one, but

743
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: you're able to score it and you give up a

744
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: special teams and you have a pick six. Okay, we

745
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: can fix those things. It's the look that makes it troubling.

746
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: But there was a lot of bad looks around the league.

747
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: The question for this team, and I think this was

748
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: the thing that was really frustrating for me. I couldn't tell,

749
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: and you guys were there, I could not tell what

750
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 2: our plan was going to be because we didn't feel

751
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: like we ever got to implement it offensively well. It

752
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 2: felt like we were three constantly behind the sticks, both

753
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: literally behind the sticks and figuratively behind the sticks chasing Dallas.

754
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: That was disappointing. I wanted to see what this offense

755
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: would look like, Andrew. We never really got to look

756
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: the way I think it was intended to.

757
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 15: No, and when when we were doing factor factor of

758
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 15: fiction before the game, right, And what was the question, Nathan,

759
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 15: you weren't on you were though. I think the question

760
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 15: was who is the most important player offensive? I'm looking

761
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 15: at give you over there other than Deshaun Watson and

762
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 15: Marii Cooper or Nick Chubb something like that. You're nodding,

763
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 15: and I said, Jed Wills b because a fifth year

764
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 15: All right, let's go b are Are you healthy?

765
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 7: Right?

766
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: Like, let's let's let's find out can we get you

767
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: out there?

768
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 15: And the idea, by the way, that he was all

769
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 15: of a sudden going to practice once after not practicing

770
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 15: some mid season yeah and play, I thought was kind

771
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 15: of ridiculous. Of course he wasn't gonna play week one.

772
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 15: Now you know how fast he's gonna get it out there,

773
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 15: I don't know. But you need the line to play well, because, yes,

774
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 15: Deshaun Watson four years ago was a magician who can

775
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 15: escape any He did a heck of a job escaping

776
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 15: a couple of times yesterday as well. But you don't

777
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 15: need him and he cannot be that guy for this

778
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 15: offense to function. It's great to have that club in

779
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 15: your bag, right, You want that club in your bag

780
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 15: because it's gonna break down sometimes and you have the

781
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 15: ability to get out of it.

782
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: That is awesome.

783
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 15: But for this offense to operate with rhythm and timing,

784
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 15: you hope to keep that club in your bag as

785
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 15: long as you can. When you're playing eighteen and they

786
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 15: had to go to that club from the first.

787
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: Hole, it was as if it was the only club

788
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: they have.

789
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 4: We just had the rescue club.

790
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: One of those things like all right, well, well as

791
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: you play like but they're like, here's the just play

792
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: the whole play eighteen with your rescue club, no putter,

793
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: no wedge, best of luck. Now you'd probably still shoot

794
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: twenty five. But that's what we try to do. It's

795
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: negative ten.

796
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 4: No, it's not.

797
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: It's actually it's beautiful right now.

798
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: Oh it's nice.

799
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: Indexes three right now.

800
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: Feeling pretty good about quite good, quite good.

801
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: There's a lot the kids like I'm setting your handicap, like, look,

802
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 4: all scores are in there. It's like you missed this

803
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 4: pot on purpose. I'm like, I lipped it out. He's like,

804
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: you're that good. If I was that good, i'd be

805
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: shooting the mid sixties all the time.

806
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just which listening to your golf story here.

807
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: Well, so then somebody texted me yesterday and they said,

808
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 2: how are you guys going to do this tomorrow? I said, well,

809
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: we'll talk about the realities of it, then we'll quickly

810
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: transition into the eternal summer of Nate and my kids. Yeah,

811
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: that's what we'll do.

812
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the only way to do it.

813
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: Look, there's not a whole nothing good to take from it.

814
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: There you take, there's nothing.

815
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 15: And I'm not trying to say that's the silver lining. Hey,

816
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 15: the silver lining? Iss you just flush it? Yeah, because

817
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 15: because it's not that simple. Yeah, you got to fix it.

818
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 4: You have to fix it. And that I think that

819
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: is why to your point, this game, in addition to

820
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 4: the fact it's an AFC game, and you think about

821
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 4: last year in the playoff run, beating Jacksonville at home

822
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 4: was massive to making that happen. It is going to

823
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 4: be a game where it says, Okay, this is what

824
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: this is, who we are, you are, what your tape is,

825
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: this is who we are. In week one oh and one,

826
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: we've got beaten down. Who are we going to be?

827
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 4: How are we going to respond to that because you

828
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: have to be resilient. And I wonder on some level, intellectually,

829
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 4: it would make no sense to me that this team,

830
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 4: because it is so talented, thought they could just go

831
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: out and win after what happened at Houston in the

832
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 4: playoffs last year. And intellectually I can't get there. But

833
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 4: at times it maybe felt yesterday like we thought we

834
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 4: were just going to go roll out there and roll

835
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 4: and we did not.

836
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: I don't know that anyone. It's a fair question.

837
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 15: And if the answer is you just thought you were

838
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 15: going to roll over the Dallas Cowboys on National TV, obviously.

839
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: Then silly. You know it's it's silly.

840
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 15: I also want people to realize as well, because I've

841
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 15: gotten a lot of this.

842
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: On text and wherever.

843
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 15: Well, geez, if only like Jack Conklin had been able

844
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 15: to go, this was not a Jack Conklin would have

845
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 15: saved the day game. Oh, this was not what that

846
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 15: was in any way, shape or form. So one guy

847
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 15: coming back from an injury isn't going to fix things

848
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 15: in Jacksonville. The other thing, too, is you're gonna lose

849
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 15: guys to injuries. I mean, David Njoku, sure right now,

850
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 15: doesn't doesn't seem Kevin says week to week, didn't say

851
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 15: day to day, right.

852
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: No week week, and the reports are obviously exactly.

853
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: Here's the thing that a lot of people in the

854
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 4: league do, and when you're certainly embedded with a team

855
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: like you know I am, and you are now with us,

856
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 4: and you are with the Rams as well, is that

857
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: you kind of assume everything that was good from the

858
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: season before is going to stay good. H and everything

859
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 4: that you had an efficiency that you went out and

860
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: addressed in some shape or fashion is gonna then improve.

861
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 4: It's a great point, and that is not the case.

862
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 4: And I think going into this game, we would have

863
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: all intellectually said, no, we don't have a left tackle.

864
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 4: James Hudson is probably gonna get beat something he did,

865
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 4: but that we felt so good about left guard, center,

866
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 4: right guard, right tackle, that we still had what we

867
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: thought was four fifths of a excellent offensive line and

868
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 4: that didn't play itself out yessuy, And hopefully that's just

869
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 4: a one week aberration. But that's one of the things

870
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 4: where you just everything good stays good, but sometimes it doesn't.

871
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: Things people age, people get injuries, all of those things.

872
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 4: Now I'll be paying a very close attention that going forward.

873
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: But that's kind of one of the I think the

874
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: fallacies of NFL fandom is that everything that was good

875
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 4: will never decrease and never deteriorates, and everything that was

876
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: bad will get fixed. And clearly there's a lot of

877
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: bad here and a lot of good that was bad.

878
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 15: You mentioned the Rams, and you mentioned on things go

879
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 15: sideways sometimes week one, so they real quick went into

880
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 15: last night's game without right tackle injured, left tackle suspended,

881
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 15: then lost two more O linemen during the game. Oh yeah,

882
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 15: So the Browns O line issues are not even close

883
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 15: to the worst O line issues no league right now.

884
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 15: I mean the Rams are trying to figure out how

885
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 15: to field an O line for Week two, Like do

886
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 15: we have humans here who can do this?

887
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 7: Right? Yeah?

888
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: And they were a stop in the fourth quarter in

889
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 2: the wed zone from winning in.

890
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: Detroit, And that's what stands out right.

891
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: They lost early early, They lost early. You find a way.

892
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 15: And Tyler Johnson steps up a little catch and run

893
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 15: beautiful And Tyler Johnson, if you look at that toe

894
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 15: tap with Cooper on the sideline, which is fantastic. Tyler

895
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 15: Johnson in on that on Max Protect chipping with the

896
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Speaker 15: right tackle.

897
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: It's the it's the fact that this the thing that

898
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: there's so many things that are tough, but we did

899
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Speaker 2: not get a second half of football that was played

900
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: with any sort of like NFL integrity because it was

901
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: over and half, all right, So it was if you

902
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: would have gotten one drive, Andrew I said this to Z.

903
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: You got the drive to make it twenty seven to ten,

904
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: and then you get a three and out. That's where

905
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: you now, let's go make it dry right now, you

906
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: get a fourth quarter.

907
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 3: Or I and I was waiting for that to happen.

908
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 15: The punt return really was what killed you, of course,

909
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 15: one hundred percent. But but even the touchdown drive, which hey,

910
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 15: you got the big new joke, who play got the

911
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 15: explosive there? Then you lose him. You had to air

912
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 15: mailed balls through the back of the end zone. A

913
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 15: good ball to Judy, but a good ball to Judy, right,

914
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 15: And so there's good and there's bad, and hey, you

915
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 15: overcame the bad. You got the good and you got

916
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 15: to the end zone. That's gonna happen. You're gonna have

917
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 15: good and bad on every drive. You know, a few

918
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 15: of these are going into a museum, right you had

919
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 15: good and bad, but the bad clearly outweighed.

920
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, and as I said, it is one game. You

921
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 4: are one game behind the Pittsburgh Steelers, you are tied

922
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 4: with the Ravens, you are tied with the Cincinnati Bengals.

923
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: But that's how we came out of the air. That

924
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: I mean, that was my thought.

925
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Speaker 2: Here.

926
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Speaker 15: Look the Steelers at that point they had already won,

927
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 15: but the Bengals lost, the Ravens lost, and you know,

928
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 15: Steelers may or might not have a quarterback. I mean,

929
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 15: Justin Field did the job yesterday. But who's gonna play

930
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 15: the exit sport?

931
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 4: They just went, let's go watch, by the way, a

932
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 4: special teams player of the week, the.

933
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Speaker 2: Offensive player of the week.

934
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 15: Quite honestly, they don't have a punter as well, because

935
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 15: they just lost them the year.

936
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: No, there were this was definitely we went into the season.

937
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: This was the strong division in football. Wildly disappointing. I mean,

938
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: Baltimore played really well on the road, but you.

939
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 4: Can see their issues.

940
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: You can, but you can also see their dangers. And

941
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: they know exactly who they are. So yes they have injuries,

942
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: but they know exactly who they are. Pittsburgh, they basically

943
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: relied on the wild incompetence of Atlanta. Atlanta cannot do anything,

944
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: and the Bengals were bad. They were bad. Burrow did

945
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: not throw the ball down the field at all. Nothing,

946
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 2: And they got stuff behind the scenes too, Chase saying

947
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: on Friday that they promised him they'd have a deal

948
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: done before the season started. Then T Higgins shows up

949
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: on the injury report Friday after being good all week,

950
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 2: not great.

951
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 15: And then you add illness to the injury report on

952
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 15: Chase questioning. I mean, yeah, you all get sick. That's fine,

953
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 15: not questioning that, but I was a late add as

954
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 15: well to your point. Yeah, so so there's all that.

955
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 15: But but think about the overreaction. You guys just said, Yeah,

956
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 15: the Ravens lost, but like the nitpicking, the nit picking

957
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 15: and the fact, oh they lost, but look, we're looking

958
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 15: at them and we could tell they're not going to

959
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 15: be right this year. It's one game on the road

960
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 15: against the Super Bowl champion, your nemesis. You had eight

961
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 15: months to prepare for that. They went out and they

962
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 15: got Dereck Henry. By the way, if you thought Derek

963
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 15: Henry was going to get thirty carries in September in

964
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 15: any game, forget about it. The job of that Raven

965
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 15: staff this year is keeping Derrick Henry healthy for January, right,

966
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 15: so then you could bowl people over with that guy.

967
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 15: They're not going to give him thirty carries in September.

968
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 15: But again the nitpicking after they played reasonably well.

969
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, they know who they are. Yes,

970
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: I think they know.

971
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 4: That Lamar is very, very dangerous and they need to

972
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: keep for them. They need to keep Lamar healthy, clearly,

973
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: But there o line has plenty of problems too.

974
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the big things I noticed throughout the league,

975
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: and I you know, obviously we had eleven penalties, Dallas

976
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: had eleven. There's twenty flags the referees were. They think

977
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: they're the stars of Week one. I mean, Andrew it

978
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: was a flag of Losa starting Thursday all the way through.

979
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 15: And you always see I talked to Clip Blakeman before

980
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 15: the game for a little bit.

981
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: You always see.

982
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 15: The Week one points of emphasis, and and Kevin said

983
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 15: that on Friday, Like we reminded the guys after watching

984
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 15: Thursday night, after watching all those flags in Kansas City,

985
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 15: how to get lined up in this and that. Look,

986
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 15: if it's a point of emphasis, they mean it that

987
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 15: was his phrasing.

988
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: I think, right. Yeah, when the league tells you that

989
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: this is a point.

990
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 15: Of emphasis, they mean it right, They're gonna do something

991
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 15: about it. But Cleet said before the game, like we're

992
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 15: not going to overthrow those flags, like it can not

993
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 15: every game. The message I got can be like that

994
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 15: Kansas City game with not lining up right. We can't

995
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 15: throw that, of course, free play, but that doesn't mean

996
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 15: you can't throw twenty two flags combined.

997
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 4: Way clip Blakeman sharp dressed man, got to give him that. Yeah,

998
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 4: getting very impressive.

999
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 15: And he had some like really snazzy sunglasses on, like

1000
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 15: that's like kind of the low frame.

1001
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, very Yeah, Okay, I was impressed.

1002
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: I was impressed a while about his ung glass says

1003
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: like I was impressed. I don't know that I could

1004
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: pull off the blue frames.

1005
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1006
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: He also has a nice dome.

1007
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 15: They look good on him. Yeah yeah inside football here,

1008
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 15: but yeah, they look good on him.

1009
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'll have a chance to talk

1010
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: to you before the game. Uh, Sunday in Jackson.

1011
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: You got my number. Whatever you want.

1012
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: What when when you get down there and you're calling

1013
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: the game, what do you want to see early to

1014
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: lead you to believe that what happened Sunday is at

1015
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 2: least somewhat fixed.

1016
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 15: A couple of things. Number one established the run. Number

1017
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 15: two control the line of scrimmage absolutely. And then if

1018
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 15: you do that, then when you set up for those

1019
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 15: chunk plays, right when you set up for the play

1020
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 15: action or whatever it is you want to set up

1021
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 15: to try to stretch the field, he has the time

1022
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 15: or the defense is enough on its heels or playing

1023
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 15: the run that he has time to find those guys downfield.

1024
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 15: You don't get in rhythm if there's no time to

1025
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 15: be in rhythm. And again that's I was like, I'm

1026
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 15: blaming the line. I'm not like a lot of I

1027
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 15: was blaming.

1028
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 7: Room.

1029
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 15: Absolutely, there is enough to go around. I'm not saying anything.

1030
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 15: And I guarantee you no one is saying anything uh

1031
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 15: that they don't already know could.

1032
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: See anybody, especially in person.

1033
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: Usually the combine, it's like the the annual uh. Well,

1034
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: the combines one.

1035
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 15: Giant convention of red meat and late nights.

1036
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 4: Red and lot of cocktail, whiskey.

1037
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: Met the boys, a lot of meat and the boys.

1038
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 15: Has have you ever gone to Indianapolis without red meat

1039
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 15: and brown liquor takes years off my life every week.

1040
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 4: One of the nights after a hazy night, Andrew had

1041
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: introducing some of his friends, and we're on the sideline

1042
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: and he and myself and Jason right, oh the Cowboys, yeah,

1043
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 4: yesterday other the Cowboys. We both kind of looked at

1044
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 4: each other like, hey.

1045
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 8: Hey, I know there might have been.

1046
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know you. I was like, yeah, that's

1047
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Speaker 4: what it was.

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Speaker 2: Right about to commence the very first Joe Thomas half hour.

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Speaker 2: We're efforting the hof where he's stateside. He's stateside, he's

1077
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Speaker 2: not in Zigemony anymore, although we did a couple of

1078
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: Germany calls, but he's back stateside and took this one

1079
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Speaker 2: in and the big Bees text thread was flowing yesterday

1080
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Speaker 2: as well, so we had that one, which was nice.

1081
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: It's good to have the hoffback and we're working on

1082
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: getting him there. This is going to be I can't

1083
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: wait to talk to Joe about this because of course

1084
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: where does his eyes go when he's watching a game upfront,

1085
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: So he's going to give you a feel for what

1086
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 2: happened or did not happen upfront yesterday in the loss

1087
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Speaker 2: to Dallas, as we continue to work on Joe there.

1088
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again if you're just joining us now, you

1089
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 4: know we kind of went through it pretty thoroughly in

1090
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 4: an hour.

1091
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 7: Number one.

1092
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 4: Not good, not good, not good, And we're going to

1093
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 4: learn a lot about this team and what they're made

1094
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 4: of this week because you have got to accept what

1095
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 4: you saw yesterday, come back from that and make major

1096
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 4: changes in terms of your performance, your preparation, your dedication,

1097
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: your execution, your mentals. We had too many prest penalties

1098
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 4: that comes down to unfortunately know in many case those

1099
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: are mental air. Yeah, this is this is a very

1100
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 4: very big, big game in terms of telling the Cleveland

1101
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: Browns who they are. And another thing is everybody is

1102
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: so down on Sean Watson. That guy took an absolute

1103
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: beating yesterday. And so I think his toughness, which he

1104
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: proved I thought in the second half, I forget the

1105
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: fourteen for fourteen, but just what he did, given what

1106
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 4: we knew after that game, proved how tough he was.

1107
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 4: He had done it before various times in his career,

1108
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 4: proved out tough he was yesterday. He was a warrior.

1109
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 4: He got hit more than any quarterback in the league.

1110
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 4: And I'm talking he got crushed a bunch of times.

1111
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: How many times Gibbe were like after every play, We're like,

1112
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 4: you got wats got smoked again?

1113
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1114
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 4: And he got up and he stayed in that game.

1115
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: And so he certainly has earned a lot of not

1116
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 4: that he needed to earn, respect to locker room. He's

1117
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 4: got that. What he needs to do is play now

1118
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 4: at a high level, and this offense needs to play

1119
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 4: at a high level and that will ease a lot

1120
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 4: of things. But he did. He did show that he

1121
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 4: is a very very tough customer.

1122
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 2: Don't know that we've in terms of I cannot recall,

1123
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: and since I've been here in eighteen the closest I

1124
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: can think of this in terms of just coming out

1125
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 2: so flat. Nineteen was obviously at the opener, thing felt

1126
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: a lot like it. Hold on just a second. Let

1127
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: me give you some halftime stats, because this, this is

1128
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: what I mean by you did not get to play

1129
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: a relevant second half of football. You're zero for six

1130
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 2: on third downs. That's your first half. You had one

1131
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: first down at the half. You had seven penalties for

1132
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: thirty nine yards. They were critical penalties.

1133
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 5: Offense.

1134
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 4: How many yards offense?

1135
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 2: Total offense?

1136
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 4: Fifty four? Yeah, and then you went back to fifteen

1137
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 4: on the next drive.

1138
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was you had in the third quarter.

1139
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 7: No, it was.

1140
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: It was bad, bad, bad, bad across the board. All right,

1141
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: the Hof. We are told that we have the Hoff.

1142
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: Uh goodin talk haf.

1143
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 7: Guden talk. Hello, my gentlemen, how are we doing today?

1144
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 2: Listen to you, buddy, ha state side baby, get back

1145
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 2: what off?

1146
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 7: Back to the land of milk and the honey, and

1147
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 7: it so good.

1148
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 4: It's quite a departure from the boulevard of green lights,

1149
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 4: the land of milk and hunt.

1150
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've been solo and Munich for the last month

1151
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 7: there was nothing but green lights. Baby.

1152
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, it felt.

1153
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 4: To me like you almost needed to go down to

1154
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 4: like Saiyulita from Germany to decompress after your month alone.

1155
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 4: It felt like you almost needed a vacation from that

1156
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 4: vacation to really be able to return at full force.

1157
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 7: No doubt. You know how when you go on vacation

1158
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 7: with the kids, like you feel like you need a

1159
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 7: vacation when you get back because you're so busy and

1160
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 7: like you're so exhausted emotionally, mentally, the whole deal. And

1161
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 7: now I had that same thing. But it was like, Okay,

1162
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 7: I'm out in Germany by myself. I probably won't have

1163
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 7: like more than ten hours to myself probably until my

1164
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 7: kids are all out of the house. So I'm like,

1165
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 7: I got to take advantage of this. So, like every

1166
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 7: day I was trying to do a hike or you know,

1167
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 7: go rafting, or go to the English garden or go

1168
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 7: on a bike ride, like do something that I couldn't

1169
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 7: do at home. And so I was doing that on

1170
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 7: top of high level football work here because we got

1171
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 7: into the playoffs with the team and I was trying

1172
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 7: to make sure that everybody was prepared the way they

1173
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 7: needed to. So I was definitely burning the candle at

1174
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 7: both ends, especially when you consider there was some German

1175
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 7: hellas beer being drank in the meantime at night. You know, hey,

1176
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 7: I don't know how many times we're going to have

1177
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 7: a chance to drink a beer with the boys, you know,

1178
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 7: my teammates and my coaches. So I was definitely doing it.

1179
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 7: And so I did have a little R and R

1180
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 7: time to decompress. On the way home. My buddy's got

1181
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 7: a big trip to a beza, a boys trip planned,

1182
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 7: but unfortunately we lost too soon and I wasn't going

1183
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 7: to be able to sneak data on the way home.

1184
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 7: Because let me tell you, from what I've heard about

1185
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 7: a beza, it's a great place to relax and catch

1186
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 7: up on your sleep.

1187
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what it's for. Yeah, just it's

1188
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 4: very quiet, reading books.

1189
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, book and look for I'd love a recap of

1190
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 2: the conversation when you got home from your month solo

1191
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: in Munich and you looked at your lovely wife and

1192
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: you said, really, just give me some quiet time. I

1193
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: just got to be some quiet time. I looked, I

1194
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: really bet that was a great conversation.

1195
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 7: Off. Yeah, I walked in and she had the uh

1196
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 7: uh frying pan in her hand, and so I do

1197
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 7: I better not pull any funny ones because it was

1198
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 7: pumping out of my head and I was like immediately

1199
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 7: dove in and started fixing the stuff around the house

1200
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 7: and started taking care of the kids.

1201
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Hey, uh, this was well, well to

1202
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: have more fun, because God knows we all need it.

1203
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: But you know, we were We've talked about this. Look

1204
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: you you're the hoff Man gold jacket and and it's

1205
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: offensive line play. Is where your where your eyes go? First?

1206
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: We know when you're watching a game, what did you

1207
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: see from us up front yesterday? Let's start there as

1208
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: we we kind of break this thing down what happened

1209
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: on Sunday down at the stadium.

1210
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, obviously it was not good enough. Starting

1211
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 7: up front. You couldn't run the ball effectively, and when

1212
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 7: we had a chance to pass protect, I didn't get

1213
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 7: the job done there either. I think it kind of

1214
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 7: reminds me a little bit of when I was playing

1215
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 7: and we had Seneca Wallace at quarterback, right. He was

1216
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 7: a guy that liked to drop deep in the pocket.

1217
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 7: He was an athletic guy, so he liked to move around,

1218
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 7: so you didn't quite exactly know where he was. And

1219
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 7: I think what happens in an offensive lineman's mind sometimes

1220
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 7: is early in a game, you give up a sack,

1221
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 7: maybe that you feel like was not your fault because

1222
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 7: he didn't know where the quarterback was going to be.

1223
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 7: He maybe scrambled where he wasn't supposed to or when

1224
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 7: he wasn't supposed to, and then now all of a sudden,

1225
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 7: your mind is starting to search for answers like, Okay,

1226
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 7: maybe he's not going to be in the spot he's

1227
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 7: supposed to go on the next play. Maybe I have

1228
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 7: to try to do more than what I'm just described

1229
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 7: to do on this play. And then you try to

1230
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 7: start covering more ground than you normally should, and then

1231
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 7: now all of a sudden, you're getting beat by stuff

1232
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 7: that you normally wouldn't get beat by. I think that

1233
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 7: was You know, it's funny because obviously Brady was on

1234
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 7: the broadcast, But the reason his offensive lineman loved him

1235
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 7: so much because he was always exactly right where he

1236
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 7: was supposed to be. He was never deep in the pocket,

1237
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 7: he was never getting out of the way to the

1238
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 7: right or the left of where he should be. And

1239
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 7: so for them, all they had to do is protect

1240
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 7: their tiny little area grass and make sure that the

1241
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 7: guys on defense ran outside, because they would never get

1242
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 7: their past enough, because he was always getting rid of

1243
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 7: the ball and he was never too deep and he

1244
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 7: wouldn't take a sack. But when you play in a game,

1245
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 7: and early on, like I think it may have happened,

1246
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 7: which holeer in the game, where all of a sudden,

1247
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 7: the guy kind of plays a little bit wider than

1248
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 7: he should. He feels like he's pushing him past, and

1249
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, as he turns his shoulders in

1250
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 7: his head and he all of a sudden sees the

1251
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 7: quarterbacks deeper than where he thought he would be, and

1252
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 7: he gives up a hit or a sack, and now

1253
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 7: he's questioning himself. And then the next time he's trying

1254
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 7: to cover a little bit more ground, the guy makes

1255
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 7: a little outside move, he overreacts to it. Guy swims

1256
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 7: back to the inside, and now he's given up pressure

1257
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 7: in the middle of the pocket when he never would

1258
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 7: unless he was questioning where the quarterback was going to

1259
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 7: be on those plays. And so I think kind of

1260
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 7: the lack of confidence maybe up front of what the

1261
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 7: quarterback was doing on any even play because of how

1262
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 7: things unfolded early kind of allowed their protection to unravel

1263
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 7: as the game went on. And then, of course when

1264
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 7: you're losing, it makes it harder because now everybody in

1265
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 7: defense is thinking dollar signs. Right, They're trying to get sacks,

1266
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 7: they're trying to get TFLs because that's how they get

1267
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 7: their name in the paper, that's how they get their

1268
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 7: big contracts, and so they're pinning their ears back. They

1269
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 7: don't really care about the run anymore. And so I

1270
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 7: think a combination of those factors and then things get

1271
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 7: kind of sideways, and then I think it looks worse

1272
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 7: than it really is.

1273
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 4: One thing that I'm curious to just get your take on,

1274
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 4: is it felt like the interior of our line, which

1275
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 4: is something we have counted on to be a wall,

1276
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 4: and you talk about a quarterback who is where they're

1277
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 4: supposed to be, they're able to step up into that pocket.

1278
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: Right.

1279
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 4: There were so many plays yesterday where let's say we

1280
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 4: snapped the ball at the forty, the line of scrimmage

1281
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 4: when we were on a pass play was moved back

1282
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 4: to like the thirty three, we're talking about centers and

1283
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 4: guards seven yards back. There are a lot of successful

1284
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 4: bull rushes. That's just not something I'm used to seeing

1285
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 4: with the Cleveland Browns. Do you have any explanation for

1286
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 4: what did you see? Because it just felt unlike what

1287
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 4: we're accustomed to seeing from a Cleveland Browns offensive line,

1288
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 4: especially on the interior.

1289
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 7: Well, like I said, when you feel like, now my

1290
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 7: quarterback's deeper than he usually is, you're thinking, okay, especially

1291
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 7: let's say garden center, I have to now cover side

1292
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 7: to side more, and I'm willing to give up more

1293
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 7: ground on the bull rush because if he's deeper, obviously

1294
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 7: I get bull rushed. Now, it's not a big deal,

1295
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 7: right If Brady's quarterback and he's getting the ball at

1296
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 7: five yards, taking one step and standing there, I'm not

1297
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 7: giving up one yard to the bull rush. But I

1298
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 7: can let him run sideways because it's not going to matter.

1299
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 7: One if they try to run around, the ball's going

1300
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 7: to be gone by the time they get there. And two,

1301
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 7: it gives me a quarterback a play to step up

1302
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 7: and do. But like I said, when the quarterback's deep,

1303
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden, he's maybe trying to

1304
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 7: escape to the outsides. You're much happier in the middle

1305
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 7: just getting bull rushed because that actually gives a quarterback

1306
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 7: more space to be able to run sideways than it

1307
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 7: would if you were trying to be firm and let

1308
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 7: them run around to the outside. So I think just

1309
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 7: being on the same page is important. But I think

1310
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 7: the lack of confidence that DeShawn had early on in

1311
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 7: the game, throwing the football on time, understanding where his

1312
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 7: opportunities were to take off and run when they were there,

1313
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 7: I think that bled into some lack of confidence from

1314
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 7: the offensive line. And then obviously those are two really

1315
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 7: bad dominoes to fall, because if your oline doesn't have

1316
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 7: confidence and your quarterback doesn't have confidence, now the receivers

1317
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 7: don't have confidence, the running backs don't have confidence. And

1318
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 7: it's what happens when you get beat the way they

1319
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 7: did in the week one half.

1320
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: How do you get I guess let's start here. If

1321
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: you're Kevin as you're watching this game last night, what

1322
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: did you expect to see us do offensively? And how

1323
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: did what you saw sunday differ from what what you

1324
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: thought it would look like? In your mind's eye.

1325
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 7: Well, Kevin Stefanski's made his name as an offensive genius

1326
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 7: in this league in Minnesota and then in his time

1327
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 7: here in Cleveland with run the ball, outside zone, play

1328
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 7: action pass sets up the big play, right, And I

1329
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 7: know we've talked a lot about, you know, what were

1330
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 7: the things that DeShawn had success in when he was

1331
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 7: in Houston. It was more shotgun rpo, deep throws and

1332
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 7: then kind of run around make a play because it's

1333
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 7: such a great athletes, got a great arm, and so

1334
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 7: it was like, how do we mess those two things?

1335
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 7: And I think bringing in Ken Dorsey was a good

1336
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 7: decision because Ken ran an offense with Josh Allen that

1337
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 7: was a little bit more similar to potentially what DeShawn

1338
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 7: had when he was successful in Houston. And so maybe

1339
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 7: you're thinking that might be kind of a little bit

1340
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 7: of a blend of the two, but it seemed like

1341
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 7: was kind of all like Dorsey really, and I didn't

1342
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 7: see any of those under center concepts, those play action

1343
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 7: concepts that you know Stefanski has done so well, and

1344
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 7: really that's what all the best offenses in the NFL

1345
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 7: are doing right now. You know, it started with Shanahan

1346
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 7: and all of Shanahan's buddies got jobs, and so of

1347
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 7: course that's what everybody's running. And that's it's really hard

1348
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 7: for a defense because it puts them in conflict because

1349
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 7: it looks like a run for the first two seconds

1350
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 7: of the play, and so the safeties have to respect it,

1351
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 7: the linebackers have to respect it, and then you have

1352
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 7: big openings. And then it's easier for the quarterback too,

1353
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 7: because typically it's not a full field read. He's just

1354
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 7: reading half the field, or he's just reading one safety

1355
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 7: and so it's all right, touchdown or check down, or

1356
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 7: I can take off. And I was surprised to not

1357
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 7: see much of that. I think maybe not having Nick Chubb,

1358
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 7: obviously not having the run game that we thought when

1359
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 7: Deshaun got here. But they ran the ball pretty well

1360
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 7: even after Nick Chubb got hurt last season, So I

1361
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 7: don't think that's really a reason why they didn't run

1362
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 7: the ball. I think it was just maybe a question of,

1363
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 7: you know, how much of this is going to be

1364
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 7: Dorsey's offense, how much is Stefanski's offense. And obviously, after

1365
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 7: the results last week, I think Stefanski might lean and

1366
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 7: say a little bit more like, hey, we're going to

1367
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 7: be doing some more of my concepts here and DeShawn,

1368
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 7: you're just going to have to learn this stuff, because

1369
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 7: clearly after week one it was not something that we

1370
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 7: want to see more of, and we want to see

1371
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 7: less of that. We want to see more of the

1372
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 7: offense that we had last year when Joe Flacco was

1373
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 7: running it, and it would seem like it was the

1374
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 7: classic Shanahan offense, which is what Stefanci kind of made

1375
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 7: his name and put the pelts on the wall with.

1376
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 4: Well, the thing that's odd about it is one of

1377
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 4: the things Dorsey was brought into and one of the

1378
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 4: things that was really emphasized was that we were going

1379
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 4: to utilize a lot more what was called meaningful pre

1380
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 4: snap motion and through Sunday's game. So with only one

1381
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 4: game left today, the Browns ranked to last in the

1382
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 4: use of pre snap motion and motion at the snap

1383
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 4: and that was something that we thought was going to

1384
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 4: be a big change here. So what do you make

1385
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 4: of that and the kind of I also think part

1386
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 4: of the run game was if you don't get first downs,

1387
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 4: you can't you can't run. If you're in third and

1388
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 4: ten all the time, you can't really run the football,

1389
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 4: which was very unfortunate as the Browns were behind the

1390
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 4: sticks consistently in this game. But what do you make

1391
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 4: the kind of the lack of pre snap movement and motion,

1392
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 4: And because we saw even Dallas did that and they

1393
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 4: did it very well with the jet sweeps, and then

1394
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 4: because the Jets sweeps were so effective, again, they were

1395
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 4: able to hit some things off of that where they

1396
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 4: faked the jet sweep.

1397
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, pre snap motion usually gives you a big advantage

1398
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 7: as an offense because you can run the same play

1399
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 7: but make it look different until the ball is snapped

1400
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 7: to the defense. Right, So it makes it hard on them,

1401
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 7: easy on us. Right, that's what you're always looking to do.

1402
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 7: Put them in conflict, make it hard on them, easy

1403
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 7: on us. So the fact that we didn't have a

1404
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 7: lot of that makes me wonder why. And sometimes you say, okay,

1405
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 7: maybe it's because the offensive line is potentially having a

1406
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 7: hard time iding the defense when they're moving. Because if

1407
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 7: you have a lot of pre snap motion, the defense

1408
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 7: is going to move and then you have to recommunicate

1409
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 7: and reclassify who the MIC is and all the blocking combinations,

1410
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 7: and the same thing for the quarterback. Maybe their picture

1411
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 7: is changing, so they don't feel as comfortable deciding, Okay,

1412
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 7: who's the guy that I have to read on this

1413
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 7: play when they're in this coverage to decide where the

1414
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 7: ball goes? Do I read this side of the field first?

1415
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 7: Or do I read that side of the field? Do

1416
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 7: I read the safety of the top? Down? Is it?

1417
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 7: You know? Check down? Touchdown? Like those things change when

1418
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 7: the defense changes, so potentially, I think maybe they were

1419
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 7: going into this thinking, all right, this this We've been

1420
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 7: doing this since Dorsey got here in the spring, but

1421
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 7: it's still their first game together. So maybe let's keep

1422
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 7: it a little bit more basic right now and feel

1423
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 7: that we're comfortable with a little less movement and just

1424
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 7: allow this offense, which has a lot of talent and

1425
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 7: with the addition of Jerry Judy, we've got two great

1426
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 7: playmakers on the outside. We got a Pro Bowl tight.

1427
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 5: End in the middle.

1428
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 7: We should be able to run the ball. It's roam

1429
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 7: Ford and Pierre Strong like those are guys that are

1430
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 7: good running backs. In this sleep, we feel like we

1431
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 7: have a good offensive line, we got a quarterback that

1432
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 7: can run the football too. I think they may have

1433
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 7: felt they didn't need as much of that window dressing,

1434
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 7: those pre snap shifts and motions to be able to

1435
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 7: get guys open, to get them to make plays. But

1436
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 7: clearly I think they need to re evaluate that decision

1437
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 7: because offense was futrid, and even with fewer pres shifts

1438
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 7: and motions, which you would think would lead to less penalties,

1439
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 7: they had more penalties. So if you were thinking, ah,

1440
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 7: we don't want to have any penalties, because as Tom

1441
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 7: Brady eloquently said, if you're going backwards, it's hard to

1442
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 7: go forwards, you don't want any of those penalties in

1443
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 7: the game, they still had them, even though they kind

1444
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 7: of kept it more simple than we expected going into

1445
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 7: this game.

1446
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 2: Joe, how do you how do you make sure that

1447
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 2: that this I mean, look, there's a lot of bad ones.

1448
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Cincinnati was dreadful in their opener against New England.

1449
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: Atlanta was dreadful. Those are those are teams that we

1450
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 2: think will be playoff teams with certainly believe that they

1451
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: were before. How do you in a league where you

1452
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: play seventeen games? How do you flush it? And I

1453
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: mean I joked off the start of the show, Welcome

1454
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 2: to Week one right at Jacksonville in week one, like,

1455
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: let's just totally flush it. How do you do that

1456
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 2: as a professional? How do you learn and flush? Because

1457
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: they start coming at you quick man, When you think

1458
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: about how quickly we're gonna be we're gonna blink, We're

1459
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 2: gonna be down in Jacksonville playing what will feel like

1460
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: kind of a must win game.

1461
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, that's the beauty of the NFL. And I

1462
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 7: think leaning on the veterans on the team is really

1463
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 7: important because we as fans, we always overreact, right, especially

1464
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 7: in the media, Like that's what we get paid to do,

1465
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 7: like whip ourselves up into a frenzy because every game

1466
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 7: is so important, it's so meaningful for us. And then

1467
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 7: we go back to our regularly scheduled jobs and all

1468
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 7: we can think about is the Browns and the and

1469
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 7: worry about what happened to last week. But the beauty

1470
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 7: of doing this as a professional is you have so

1471
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 7: much going on. You were so busy, you don't really

1472
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 7: have a chance to dwell on it because you're immediately

1473
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 7: flipping the page, like as soon as you come in

1474
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 7: today and you watch the film like it hurts, Like

1475
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 7: I walked into that building a lot of times where

1476
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 7: I felt sick to my stomach, like literally sick, like

1477
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 7: I was taking thumbs going to those meetings because it hurt,

1478
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 7: like it's not fun. But as soon as you walk

1479
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 7: out of there, all of a sudden, your mind flips

1480
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 7: the calendar to the next week and you're immediately watching

1481
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 7: film on the next guy, and you're diving right into

1482
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 7: that preparation, and so you really kind of forget pretty

1483
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 7: quickly about what happened the week before because you don't

1484
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 7: have time to worry about it. And I think that's

1485
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 7: the best thing about the game, the worst thing that

1486
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 7: would could have happened. Obviously they don't have week two

1487
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 7: bye weeks, but if you had a bye week after

1488
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 7: a game like this to start the season, because then

1489
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 7: you got to dwell on it for two weeks. But

1490
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 7: thankfully you're turning the page quick and they get an

1491
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 7: opportunity to just focus on Jackson those fast as they

1492
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 7: possibly can. Of course, coaches right it down trying to

1493
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 7: figure out, right, what did we do wrong, Why were

1494
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 7: our guys seemingly unprepared, What did we do with the

1495
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 7: game plan that our guys didn't comprehend, that we didn't

1496
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 7: see right, and why you know, It's easy to see

1497
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 7: in your after action report, like what did we not

1498
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 7: do well? Okay, penalties, couldn't run the ball, didn't throw

1499
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 7: the ball down the field in the first half, I

1500
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 7: think our longest completion was like six yards, and you

1501
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 7: could see what the issues were. But why, like why

1502
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 7: did we think we were going to be good at

1503
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 7: those things? And we weren't. So that is going to

1504
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 7: be the critical thing going into Week two against Jacksonville.

1505
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 4: It's going to be important in the good news. Look,

1506
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 4: like we said, it's it's one game, and obviously because

1507
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 4: it's the first, it's kind of the it's such an

1508
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 4: overreaction to it, and you know, you have to make

1509
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 4: sure that you bounce back from this. And you mentioned

1510
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 4: kind of in the locker room, the coaches, everybody kind

1511
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 4: of talking about it and taking a look in the mirror.

1512
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 4: One thing I did want to ask you about was,

1513
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 4: you know, we mentioned to Sean and he took an

1514
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 4: absolute beating in this game, and as some of it

1515
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 4: certainly may have been self inflicted holding the ball too long,

1516
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 4: but at other times he just got absolutely annihilated very

1517
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 4: very quickly. Does that what does that do for like

1518
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 4: a line or a team. When you see your quarterback

1519
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 4: take that kind of a beating it and take it.

1520
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 4: He could have taken himself out of that game easily, right,

1521
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 4: the game was well over and he did not. Does

1522
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 4: that Does that help galvanize anything?

1523
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 7: I think you can. I mean, I think you realize

1524
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 7: that you got a quarterback that's one to be out

1525
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 7: there and fight with you. It's a slaughter. It's not fun, right,

1526
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 7: you know, nothing positive will come from it other than

1527
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 7: the emotional win of hey being out there together, going

1528
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 7: through hard times, going through hardship, which brings you together.

1529
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 7: And I think that's a way to kind of build

1530
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 7: some trust and making the plays. Obviously, the second half

1531
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 7: was better than the first half. I mean, at least

1532
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 7: you scored a couple of touchdowns fourteen points in the

1533
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 7: second half, so at least he had something to build

1534
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 7: on and to see your quarterback out there as he's

1535
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 7: taken hips be there with you because old line's not

1536
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 7: getting subbed out right, they're there, And so I think

1537
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 7: it's important to be side by side dealing with the

1538
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 7: hardship and the tough times that you caused yourself. But

1539
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 7: I think it does at least give you a little

1540
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 7: bit of something to build on for the next week.

1541
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 7: And I think for Deshaun personally, just having an opportunity

1542
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 7: to make some nice plays, you know, throw a touchdown pass,

1543
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,799
Speaker 7: have a chance to get hit, right, because I think

1544
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 7: he hasn't played many games, and everybody has kind of

1545
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 7: focused on how poorly he's played, but he's coming off

1546
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 7: a pretty significant shoulder surgery for a quarterback, and I'm

1547
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 7: glad it hasn't been talked about a whole lot, but

1548
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 7: that has to be in the back of his mind, like,

1549
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 7: how's it going to feel after I get hit? How's

1550
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 7: it going to feel, you know, when I play a

1551
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 7: full game and I throw the ball forty five times

1552
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 7: like he did. And so I think maybe answering some

1553
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 7: of those questions can help build a little bit of confidence,

1554
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 7: because it was pretty clear in that game that he

1555
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 7: didn't have a whole lot of confidence in what he

1556
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 7: was doing in the shoulder and then how he fit

1557
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 7: in that offense. So you know, hopefully as a fan,

1558
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 7: as an optimist, you hope that make us feel better

1559
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 7: hard getting it through there, just getting through that game,

1560
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 7: maybe he's feeling a little bit better about the hells

1561
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 7: of the shoulder.

1562
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 4: One other thing I would ask, because you talked about

1563
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 4: this on Twitter, was there's the video of Joel Botonio

1564
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson extending a hand to pick him up off

1565
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 4: the ground and Potonio kind of not accepting it and

1566
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 4: rolling over and getting himself up using basically every bit

1567
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 4: of his leverage with his knee and his arm and

1568
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 4: his elbows to get up. You kind of tucked on

1569
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 4: that as something that offensive lineman must do. Can you

1570
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 4: for those who may have not seen your tweet, can

1571
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 4: you kind of let people know what you're talking about?

1572
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, so Joel's laying on his back, and is this

1573
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 7: you're eleven or twelve for Joel?

1574
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 4: This is year number eleven for Joel Botonioy fourteen areas.

1575
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 7: That's right there, we go. I knew the encyclopedias. He

1576
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 7: would have that dialed in. But you know, when you're

1577
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 7: a youthful lad, you can bend your ankle's, knees and

1578
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 7: hips enough to like sort of get your center of

1579
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 7: gravity over heels, and if a little guy wants to

1580
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 7: pick you up, you can be courteous to him and

1581
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 7: let him think he's strong enough to lift up a

1582
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 7: three hundred and twenty nine man, and you basically you

1583
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 7: just kind of doing all the work yourself. But as

1584
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 7: you get a little bit older, you get a little

1585
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 7: bit stiffer, and getting up from your back when you've

1586
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,480
Speaker 7: got a smaller person trying to help you up is impossible.

1587
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 7: It's actually way way more work for you, and it's

1588
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 7: potentially harmful for the small man that's trying to help

1589
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 7: you up. Actually, there's some film that I saw at

1590
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 7: some point. I have no idea. I think NFL films

1591
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 7: they have it of me laying on my back, and

1592
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 7: even Mitchell Schwartz, I think, was a guy trying to

1593
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 7: help me up, and I was like, no, I can't

1594
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 7: get up for my back. I have to roll over,

1595
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 7: because literally, if you're on your back as a whole lineman,

1596
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 7: you got to roll over and kind of do a

1597
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 7: little push up and then get to your feet and

1598
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 7: then stand up on your own. And it's impossible to

1599
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 7: help you up like that. And so that's all Joel

1600
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 7: was doing, was basically telling Deshan like, hey, if you

1601
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 7: try to help me up, it's not gonna work. And

1602
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 7: it's very tiring for me to try to like lift

1603
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 7: myself up. And you might fall on me, I might

1604
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 7: pull you down, which would be the worst case scenario

1605
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 7: of all. So that's all that was. But I know everybody,

1606
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 7: you know when you when you have a game the

1607
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 7: way we did in Week one, DeShawn has not lived

1608
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 7: up to the contract that we gave him. So everybody's

1609
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 7: looking for something to make a story of with DeShawn

1610
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 7: and with the offensive line and everybody out there on

1611
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 7: the Browns, and so it's easy to look at that

1612
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 7: and say, oh, look see Joel, he doesn't like DeShawn

1613
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 7: because he wouldn't let him help him up. No, he's

1614
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 7: just old. He's a fat, old lineman. He's got big belly,

1615
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 7: a lot of tape embraces on his body, and he

1616
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 7: can't get up from his back. He's got to flip over.

1617
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 2: So that's all you guys are just big grizzly bears

1618
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 2: off like you just got to get over on your

1619
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 2: bellies and then you can get up just fine. That's

1620
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 2: that's all it is. As you were going through that,

1621
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: like if you've ever seen like a bear like, they

1622
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 2: can't they can't do it the other You gotta get

1623
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: on the belly and then that's how you get up.

1624
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 7: Gotta get him.

1625
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 2: What did you. Let's do a couple of quick ones

1626
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: on the on the league at large, A fun one

1627
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 2: tonight with the Jets and the forty nine ers. But

1628
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 2: in terms of what you saw Thursday through Sunday, what

1629
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 2: are some of the things that jumped out for you?

1630
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 7: Well, I think you mentioned briefly the Bengals, who seemed

1631
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 7: to be kind of like the popular pick to make

1632
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 7: the Super Bowl if the Chiefs aren't going to be there.

1633
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 7: I mean, what a clunker they had because everybody kind

1634
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 7: of thought, oh man, based on how the Patriots looked

1635
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 7: in preseason, they're gonna be the worst team in the league,

1636
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 7: and they caught and stopped the Bengals, who looked terrible,

1637
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 7: even though Jamar Chase ended up going out and playing.

1638
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 7: So to me, that was a huge shocker because I

1639
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 7: was kind of with them. I was like, oh man,

1640
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 7: Bengals are gonna be really good this year. Everybody kind

1641
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 7: of thinks Joe Burrow is one of the great quarterbacks

1642
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 7: in the league and potentially could make another huge step

1643
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 7: this week. So that was a big surprise for me.

1644
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 7: But Pittsburgh being able to be the only team in

1645
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 7: the SC North that wins without scoring a touchdown.

1646
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 4: Which is unreal.

1647
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 7: That's just classic Pittsburgh. Why I freaking hate them? Like

1648
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 7: how they should not win that game. It's impossible. You

1649
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 7: can't win a game without scoring a touchdown and then

1650
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 7: to be the only team in our division, the team

1651
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 7: that I think if you, if you pulled everybody, everyone

1652
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 7: was probably thinking Pittsburgh's gonna end up blast in the

1653
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 7: FC North, and now after Week one there in first place.

1654
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 7: So go figure. It's the NFL.

1655
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 4: Oh baby, it is the NFL. It is pretty wild.

1656
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 4: You excited for Niners Jets tonight, huff.

1657
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 7: I am because I've followed the Aaron Rodgers siasco out

1658
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,919
Speaker 7: there with the Jets for a long time and obviously

1659
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 7: relate my relationship with Kyle Shanahan and to see what

1660
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 7: the forty nine ers are going to do this year.

1661
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 7: I think it's a great story for the NFL. And

1662
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 7: you know, I'm not like an Aaron Rodgers fan, but

1663
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 7: I would like to see him have a great season

1664
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 7: and give Jets fans what they want. You know, my

1665
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 7: partner out here in our bagel restaurant at Gotham Bagels

1666
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 7: is like the most diehard Jets fan and it was

1667
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 7: hard for me to see how happy he was the

1668
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 7: whole summer after they got Aaron Rodgers, and then how

1669
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 7: sad he was after Rogers cuss. Oh, it hurt my

1670
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 7: soul because I like the rid them a little bit.

1671
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 7: You know, like any friend, like your brother, like you

1672
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 7: like to like give him a hard time until he's

1673
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 7: really really sad and like he's in the depths of

1674
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 7: hell emotionally, and then you feel really bad for him.

1675
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 7: So I'm sure for the Jets, even though they're against

1676
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 7: my boy Kyle Shanahan, because I'd really like Aaron Rodgers

1677
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 7: to go out and have a good season for Jets

1678
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,520
Speaker 7: fans because they're long suffering like Browns fans.

1679
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have been. That's a fun one tonight. Look,

1680
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 2: this was the NFL playing the hits all weekend long.

1681
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 2: I mean it was. It was one banger. After all

1682
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 2: the primetime games have been good, I mean speaking of

1683
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you're continue to be in Green Bay. The

1684
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 2: Jordan Love injury on Friday in Brazil. We haven't touched

1685
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 2: on that. It's got to be complete panic up there

1686
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 2: with that.

1687
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's crazy. I think the one thing the NFL

1688
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 7: really needs to look into is the playing surfaces when

1689
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 7: they go overseas. And I saw this first hand three

1690
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 7: years ago when I watched the NFL Munich game play

1691
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 7: that Alliance Arena where FC Byron plays. And then I

1692
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 7: saw it because when I was coaching in the LF,

1693
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 7: we played in all soccer stadiums, and their turf it's

1694
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 7: like regular grass is short, but they don't put any

1695
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 7: sand in there. They don't put anything to kind of

1696
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 7: reinforce the turf to make it a little bit stick

1697
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 7: together better, because I think for soccer players, they want

1698
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 7: that turf to give away if they get cleats caught

1699
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 7: in there, because they're real guys, but they don't want

1700
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 7: their cleats to get caught because they're not running into anybody,

1701
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 7: so they don't really need to be able to help

1702
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 7: create a lot of force with extra friction in the ground.

1703
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 7: If anything, If if their turf holds and a cleat

1704
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 7: gets caught, they're gonna blow a knee or an ankle

1705
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 7: or something. So all of these soccer surfaces are super slippery,

1706
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 7: and I think the NFL really needs to look into

1707
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 7: that because it's such a different playing experience than playing

1708
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 7: on a field that's made for football or even a

1709
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,919
Speaker 7: turf field. I mean, I'll give you one quick example.

1710
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 7: My right guard who's a great player for the Munich Ravens,

1711
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 7: young kid from Bavaria. Call him the Bavarian butcher because

1712
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 7: he's like a killer. I would love to see him

1713
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 7: playing for the Browns, like he had a personal fun

1714
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 7: in almost every game, like almost every game personal found

1715
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 7: but dominic Andre like when he's a big man, like

1716
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 7: three point thirty, you know, big strong guy, and we

1717
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 7: were practicing on a turf field, but it's a turfield

1718
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 7: that's made for soccer, so they don't have any of

1719
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 7: those little rubber pellets in there, and he slips because

1720
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 7: there's no traction without those pellets, and he, you know,

1721
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 7: tore Cardinals in his me and he was out for

1722
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 7: almost the entire preseason trying to get that right. But

1723
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 7: it's just a different surface, and you know, watching the

1724
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 7: guy slip in that Eagles Packers game, and then obviously

1725
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,480
Speaker 7: the Jordan Love injury wasn't because of the surface specifically,

1726
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 7: but I think it reduces the product that NFL fans

1727
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 7: get watching it on a soccer field, but also puts

1728
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 7: the players at danger with as much slipping as they're

1729
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 7: doing so maybe they'll do something about it, but probably not.

1730
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 2: Probably not. Hey, we'll get you out of here on

1731
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 2: this one. Give me the temperature in Madison. The Crimson

1732
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 2: Tide coming to town on Saturday, my friends, A.

1733
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 7: Lot of excitement, a lot of trepidation, my friends. The

1734
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 7: first two games for the Fighting Badges, they've done victories,

1735
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 7: but they beat Western Michigan in South Dakota in non

1736
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 7: convincing fashion. So to have the Crimson Tide come, there's

1737
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 7: a lot of people that are pretty nervous but excited, Like,

1738
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 7: if you keep it close, get a chance to win

1739
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 7: at the end, maybe I think people will be really happy. Obviously,

1740
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 7: if you pull off the upset, it's going to be

1741
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 7: a great day in Madison, even greater than it usually is.

1742
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 7: But there is a potential to be a little bit

1743
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 7: of a bully beat down, and so guys are a

1744
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 7: little bit nervous about that one.

1745
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 2: From a non conference perspective, got to be the biggest

1746
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 2: ones to ever come up there. I mean Alabama, I

1747
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 2: mean non conference. What compares to that?

1748
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 7: Gotta be yeah, I mean yeah, I can't think of

1749
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 7: anything else. And I think that's cool about the one

1750
01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 7: thing that's given me some little hope in college for

1751
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 7: ball and bow, you'd probably no better than I do

1752
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 7: because you follow it more closely. But it seems like

1753
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 7: there's more parody now than ever before with the NIL

1754
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 7: and the transfer portal, and so the fact that you've

1755
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 7: got some of these mid majors or even like the

1756
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 7: FCS teams like South Dakota playing Wisconsin tight, and you

1757
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 7: know what, Northern Illinois beat Notre Dame this past weekend.

1758
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 7: And I think you're seeing a lot more parody because

1759
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 7: these teams that you're used to, in your mind, your

1760
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 7: equilibrium thinks, oh they stink because they're in the MAC

1761
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 7: or they're a smaller division school. It's not the case

1762
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 7: anymore because guys just want to play. So if you

1763
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 7: go and you take a scholarship at Alabama and you're

1764
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 7: not playing, you're gonna go leave and go play somewhere else.

1765
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 7: And so I think that the talent is much more

1766
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 7: equally distributed. And then with the spread game, I think

1767
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 7: it's it equalizes things. It's not just about who has

1768
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 7: the biggest, most physical, strongest guys. And so hopefully just

1769
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 7: because we narrowly beat South Dakota and West Western Michigan.

1770
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 7: It doesn't mean that we're not very good. It just

1771
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 7: me that there's more parody. So that's the story I'm

1772
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 7: telling myself when I lay my head on my pillot.

1773
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 2: Just keep it within sixteen. Off, That's all I ask

1774
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 2: of you. Keep it within sixteen Got it all right? Buddy,

1775
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 2: good talking to you. Good to have you home, and

1776
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 2: thanks for your time today.

1777
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 7: Hey, I appreciate it.

1778
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 2: Guys Off, by the way of it, unbelieved pictures, he.

1779
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 4: Looks like Wilderman.

1780
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: Either that or it looks like he's some guy who

1781
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: builds like choppers, like motorcycles.

1782
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 4: He's either building choppers, can't lobsters or king crabs. Yeah,

1783
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 4: he's whittling things from wood, chopping down trees.

1784
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 2: Quite formidable in this picture we used for about the YouTube.

1785
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 2: We'll go over some of the great clips clips of

1786
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 2: the game. Coming up next to listen to cleveand Browns

1787
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 2: Daily on a fifty ESP in Cleveland.

1788
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily brought to you by Balley bed Now

1789
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: live in Ohio on eight fifty ESP and Cleveland.

1790
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 2: He'll be on the perp Rider, Copiers and document services

1791
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Speaker 2: your Cleveland Browns. I'll tackle any size office. The number

1792
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 2: there is two and six for eighty five two thousand

1793
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 2: is at Ohio Businessmachines dot com. Time for your great clips,

1794
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 2: great clip of the of the game. Great clips, It's

1795
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 2: gonna be great. Let's have a listen.

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01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 15: Second, a goal from the six Akins in motion on

1797
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 15: the right. Shaan looks that way, throws Jerry Tody put

1798
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 15: it touchdown there. It is a six yard score and

1799
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 15: Judy's first as a Brown.

1800
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 3: And finally they break through.

1801
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 15: They are on the scoreboard and in the end zone

1802
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 15: twenty seven to nine point after pending.

1803
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 2: There you go. Andrew cciliano, who is here in studio

1804
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: with us in the first hour on the call with

1805
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 2: the great Z on that one and that was good

1806
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 2: to get that one on the board and that way.

1807
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes I watched, obviously, I watched the television broadcast of this.

1808
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 2: There has been a great deal of chatter on social

1809
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 2: about Brady and all of this, and I just think it,

1810
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 2: by and large, there's a lot of miserable people on

1811
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 2: social and the reality I thought he was more than fine.

1812
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 2: I didn't think that there was any point where I

1813
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 2: was like, well, if he doesn't know what he's talking about,

1814
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 2: or this sucks or the timing's off. Like I thought,

1815
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: he was a very easy listen, a very natural cadence

1816
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: with Burkhart. Burkhart was clearly the veteran and Tom's a

1817
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,879
Speaker 2: guy who's finding his way, and it felt like Burkhart

1818
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 2: was trying to, you know, steer him in the right directions,

1819
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 2: the guy who's calling his first ever live game, regular

1820
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 2: season NFL game. But the notion that but a lot

1821
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: of people just thought that he just sucked, And I'm like,

1822
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 2: I just didn't see it at all. Like I we

1823
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 2: watched the whole thing. I listened the whole thing. He

1824
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 2: was I thought he was more than fine.

1825
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 5: I think here's the problem. Number one, you're him.

1826
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 16: You're preparing for a game, but you're not allowed to

1827
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 16: have any advanced access to anybody. There's no tape to

1828
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 16: watch of anybody because no one played anybody in the

1829
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 16: preseason on either side. So literally you're going into this

1830
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 16: game completely blind. Outside of a dress rehearsal game that

1831
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 16: you did. Again, I think it was the Cowboys. Neither

1832
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 16: the Chargers or Cowboys Rams.

1833
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, but no one played. Now he's going in completely blind.

1834
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 5: I will say this, him walking onto the field might

1835
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 5: as well have been Jesus walking onto the field.

1836
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 2: That, yeah, it was. They portrayed it that way on

1837
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: television too. Like everything they made it about him in

1838
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: the lead up, they did not talk about us at all.

1839
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 2: They talked about the Cowboys, they talked about Dak, and

1840
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 2: they talked about Brady. That's all they talked about in

1841
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 2: the lead in on Fox.

1842
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. Our booth is right next

1843
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 4: to their booth m hm. And he had there was

1844
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 4: a huge security detail everything, but you were looking down

1845
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 4: and Silana said, it was like you were at the

1846
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,799
Speaker 4: zoo because everybody in front of us at various points,

1847
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 4: and in many cases many of them were just turned

1848
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 4: around with their phones looking at his booth in the

1849
01:25:58,920 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 4: stands all game.

1850
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he was fine. Look, he's not going

1851
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 2: to be like I don't think he's ever going to

1852
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 2: be like, hey I got this nugget from coach or

1853
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 2: I saw this, I picked up at this in film study.

1854
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 2: What you want from him is kind of like what

1855
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 2: to see it just through a quarterback's eye, the way

1856
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 2: Romo did earlier. Romo got a little last couple years,

1857
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 2: he's gotten gone over the top. But and you don't

1858
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 2: need him predicting plays. You just want to say, you

1859
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: just want him to say, what happened? This is why

1860
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 2: this happened from the quarterbacks perspective, because most of us

1861
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 2: watch it from that perspective. We're not watching the rest

1862
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 2: of it, in part because that's the way it shot.

1863
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 2: It's not shot all twenty two now shot it is tight,

1864
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 2: which sucks.

1865
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 5: I wish it was.

1866
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 2: Shot all twenty two totals every NFL game at an

1867
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 2: all twenty two option. It's one of the things I

1868
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 2: miss most about going to games, yep, because then you

1869
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 2: can see, oh, he had him Like oftentimes I'll text

1870
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 2: you and I'm like, what was going on on the

1871
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 2: back end? There was there anybody there? You know? Those

1872
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: are the things that you're curious about, are those type

1873
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 2: of things, and so you miss out on those a

1874
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 2: little bit. I will say this. In the third quarter

1875
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 2: start of the fourth Kevin and Tom made a great

1876
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 2: mention of Jim Donovan and wished him well, and that

1877
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 2: was very classic to do that, and they both did

1878
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: that in the broadcast, So I thought that was very

1879
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:12,440
Speaker 2: classic of them.

1880
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 4: Good as justified and it was a good They had

1881
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 4: a pretty emotional tribute at the very beginning of the

1882
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 4: game at the stadium as well. Yeah, yeah, certainly he

1883
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 4: will be missed. I'll say he didn't miss much of

1884
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 4: me yesterday.

1885
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 2: No, he did not, No yesterday all right, So much

1886
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 2: more to come, including a score for tonight. You listen

1887
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: to Cleve the Browns Daily on a fifty ESPN.

1888
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: Cleveland Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to you by Balley bed

1889
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Now Live in Ohio on eight fifty esp and Cleveland.

1890
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 2: There you go, lots to lots unpacked tomorrow. In Week

1891
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 2: one of the National Football League, the scores were not

1892
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 2: particularly kind. Middling. We're okay, middling. They have a chance

1893
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: to be You're gonna be a you could have a

1894
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 2: chance to be a couple of games over I could

1895
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 2: be five hundred. But not.

1896
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:28,799
Speaker 4: It wasn't not This year wasn't some brutal beats.

1897
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean the Miami three and a half brutal. Houston's

1898
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 2: up nine and they give up a touchdown and somehow

1899
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 2: win by two, which is just insane. On that one,

1900
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 2: I missed that one as well. That was really really close.

1901
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:42,759
Speaker 2: It was the other one I was really only.

1902
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,839
Speaker 4: The ones we really just got wrong were since Carolina, Cincinnati,

1903
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 4: Atlanta we just.

1904
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 2: Carolina wrong Carolina. Yeah, those three were bad, really bad.

1905
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 7: Oh.

1906
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: Then the Rams in overtime, I had them covering. That

1907
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 2: was brutal. That's tough. I came away with that one

1908
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 2: feeling like I felt with with Kansas City or No.

1909
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 2: Kansas City and Baltimore. Those are both good teams. They're

1910
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 2: they're they're good, they got a ton to work with upfront.

1911
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 4: But the Lions felt like, we're just kind of almost

1912
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 4: like sleep walking offensively in that game. Not a whole

1913
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 4: lot of am and run, not a lot of Laporta Jamison,

1914
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 4: add some big plays and you see what. Oh that's

1915
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 4: why we liked them for a couple of years.

1916
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can see it.

1917
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 4: But they were kind of there were goff I felt

1918
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 4: like was under a bit of dress. As that game continued.

1919
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 2: I thought like what McVeigh Stafford was way under dress.

1920
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 2: I thought what McVeigh did and what Stafford was able

1921
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 2: to do amidst the most absurd circumstances, because those poor

1922
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: kids trying to block Aiden Hutchinson, there's no chance, but

1923
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 2: they would move, There's a lot of motion. They would

1924
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 2: chip with a receiver. Even Stafford in his sixteenth year

1925
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 2: in the league. Like he's thrown off his back. His

1926
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 2: arm is still so damn good. Incredibles balls were crazy.

1927
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 4: The one to cup on the sideline was just bonkers throw,

1928
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 4: bonkers catch. I know that this is probably an in

1929
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 4: real world, not something that is a thing, but I

1930
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 4: thought about it when I saw it live at the time,

1931
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 4: and then I saw a picture of it online where

1932
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,839
Speaker 4: they said that the defenders blue was such a perfect

1933
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 4: match to the blue and the end zone that when

1934
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 4: he threw the pick the endzone like I kind of

1935
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 4: almost blended in and he kind of did.

1936
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Speaker 2: He did. I noticed that as well, and I was

1937
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Speaker 2: shocked that they didn't wear the silver pants with it,

1938
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Speaker 2: like the motto blue, and they did dissolve in the

1939
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Speaker 2: end zone.

1940
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Speaker 16: There's no question and maybe even score kids were up

1941
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Speaker 16: against it. Go Pedro. I'm with it, Yeah, go Pedro.

1942
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Speaker 4: Pedro.

1943
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Speaker 2: This will be a fun one. Yeah. I watched more

1944
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Speaker 2: football on a weekend since than I have since I've

1945
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Speaker 2: been married. The amount of football I watched this weekend.

1946
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Speaker 2: It was a lot, a lot of fun. But I

1947
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Speaker 2: like this one to night. I'm excited to see this

1948
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Speaker 2: game played all right, there you go. The next level

1949
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Speaker 2: is coming up. Next We're back tomorrow. Cleveland Brown Daily,

1950
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Speaker 2: eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

1951
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1952
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