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Speaker 1: and I have been together nine years, married for six

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Speaker 1: It started with my husband getting a vasectomy after our

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Speaker 1: confirms DNA. But he loved her, and because they were

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Speaker 2: This is wild.

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Speaker 1: They decided to have a baby together. A year later,

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Speaker 1: Don't do it. It's a trap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the right to divorce over unfaithfulness.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, she sucks. The brother and the wife

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Speaker 1: I hate you, wife and brother. She sucks. He thought

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Speaker 1: They cut off everyone on that side of the family

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Speaker 1: There were multiple occasions and multiple charts, so sad. At

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Speaker 1: I asked a bunch of questions, and he was very

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Speaker 1: knowing it wouldn't change anything for him? And he is

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Speaker 1: And I'm supposed to keep that secret forever. I don't

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Speaker 1: I think as a partner, there are there are there's

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't hide it up to the Okay, Riley and

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Speaker 3: that's in jail and is a PDF file.

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Speaker 2: Come on to the grave.

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Speaker 3: I don't know you're worried about whenever the truth comes

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Speaker 3: I would understand. I would be like, I understand why

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Speaker 3: Well, I'd probably I'd probably go to my friend and

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Speaker 1: But I would be like, you come to me and

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I probably wouldn'tven come to you. We go to

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Speaker 2: By kids, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but in the heart do matter? So able AB's

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Speaker 2: It's free.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you don't necessarily need to buy their love.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can give up on your kid's relationship, Like,

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Speaker 1: It sounds like he's like, you know, I tried my balance.

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Speaker 4: Because the thing is too like I think it's a

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Speaker 1: No, no, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I understand what

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Speaker 1: No, I understand because I know I understand that he's saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm working to support them. Yeah, but they don't get that.

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Speaker 1: They don't get that. They just want to see their dad.

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Speaker 4: And maybe like just listen to what they want. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's like, oh, well I was there for

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Speaker 4: Also, also we learned like the minimum child support payment

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Speaker 1: But yeah, when they got to be older teens, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get a better job, bro, Yeah you.

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Speaker 1: Doing Honestly, if your job doesn't allow you to spend

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Speaker 2: With you, I would start, I would.

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Speaker 4: It seems like he hasn't really explored any options like that.

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Speaker 4: He's just like, I just work extra, I just work

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't said that. We grew apart and they

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Speaker 1: She never did. The kids were expecting to get money

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Speaker 5: Actually no college debt that is each That is like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they're getting great stuff. What they didn't get

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Speaker 1: They said that it wasn't fair that I got the house.

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Speaker 1: I said I owned the house and that their mom

442
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Speaker 1: didn't leave it to me as part of our divorce.

443
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Speaker 1: I owned the house and even paid the taxes and

444
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Speaker 1: for maintenance. They said that they could really use some help.

445
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Speaker 1: I said that none of them were really my problem anymore.

446
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Speaker 1: I hadn't been invited to their homes and that I

447
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: hadn't been asked to participate in their weddings. I attended

448
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Speaker 1: as a guest. They all think I'm being an a

449
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,479
Speaker 1: hole and stingy. I think they would not have bothered

450
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Speaker 1: talking to me except for the money.

451
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Speaker 2: Hmm.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well okay, now it seems like the kids are

453
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Speaker 1: being a little stinky.

454
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of getting Yeah, some everyone's the a hole.

455
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Speaker 1: I'm getting some everyone's the a hole. But I think

456
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Speaker 1: he was the first day hole.

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was the first. And and you

458
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Speaker 2: know what, this might be a little.

459
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Speaker 4: Bit above my pay grade or whatever, but well, this

460
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Speaker 4: is our show, so we're gonna we're gonna so it's

461
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Speaker 4: we're gonna explore. Imagine a world where instead of doing

462
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Speaker 4: the extra shifts again, if this was a possibility, he

463
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Speaker 4: uh took that extra time and just like went to

464
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Speaker 4: the park, maybe like ye get an ice cream.

465
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Speaker 2: I don't know, like there are a free museum, there's threed.

466
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Speaker 1: I just feel like there can't. You have to be

467
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Speaker 1: able to spend a little bit more time than birthdays

468
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Speaker 1: and Christmas.

469
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Speaker 4: There, Yes, there's there is absolutely at a bare minimum

470
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Speaker 4: something probably a lot. Yeah, probably like movie night said

471
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Speaker 4: his house on Friday, like, hey, come over, we'll just

472
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Speaker 4: watch nothing.

473
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Speaker 1: You want to do a sleep. I just don't understand

474
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Speaker 1: why what It doesn't seem like he has eddy custody

475
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Speaker 1: of the kids.

476
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Speaker 4: It does seem that way, and maybe maybe that was

477
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Speaker 4: what was talked about in the divorce, and I think

478
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Speaker 4: what ended up happening was that it like double backfired

479
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Speaker 4: on him where he's like, oh, let me like try

480
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Speaker 4: to buy my.

481
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Speaker 1: Kids yeah, and now they're yeah, and now they're entitled, yeah,

482
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Speaker 1: and they're like, well, okay, by the by our love.

483
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Speaker 4: Whereas if he had initially just spent the time with him, yeah,

484
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Speaker 4: maybe they would have just like been close with him

485
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Speaker 4: and not had this sense of entitlement.

486
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I just literally like it seems I

487
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Speaker 1: don't know, it's I just don't think he spent he

488
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Speaker 1: I think he could have spent that time with him.

489
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Speaker 4: And I agree, I think there's probably again we don't

490
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Speaker 4: have all the contact, but I think there's probably way

491
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Speaker 4: more time, at least like once a week like bring

492
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Speaker 4: him over, got to.

493
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Speaker 1: Be once a week. Yeah, if he is able to

494
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Speaker 1: afford to pay for all of their schools, like debt free,

495
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Speaker 1: you don't have like's yeah, yeah, like I took on debt.

496
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Speaker 1: I took on debt, and my parents have like you know,

497
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Speaker 1: their their jobs are better than you know, some jobs.

498
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Speaker 4: And it's like if, uh, you're not you're not working

499
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Speaker 4: in the you're not working in a factory, paying all

500
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Speaker 4: three of your kids college exactly.

501
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Speaker 2: It's not like that.

502
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Speaker 1: There are types of jobs where you literally cannot see

503
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Speaker 1: your family because you're trying to support them like meal,

504
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: you're writting paycheck by paycheck, and and in those cases,

505
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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, of course, I totally understand, like you

506
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Speaker 1: want to be for the you're there for your kids,

507
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: but you literally can't because you're trying to put food

508
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Speaker 1: on the table. In this case, it doesn't seem like that.

509
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

510
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Speaker 4: I think he's using it as an excuse and trying

511
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Speaker 4: to you know, I think he just doesn't want the

512
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Speaker 4: kids to be He wants to like hunch in in

513
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Speaker 4: the easy way, which for him is just to pay

514
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Speaker 4: for things and then just like not be mad at

515
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Speaker 4: him and include him.

516
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Speaker 2: But it probably made them entitled.

517
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now it's nufing.

518
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Speaker 2: We we just figured that out.

519
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Speaker 1: We freaking figured that out so hard.

520
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Speaker 2: You know what I said. I said, all this maybe

521
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Speaker 2: above my pay grade. It wasn't.

522
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: No, it was exactly our pay grade.

523
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Speaker 2: We did that, a pay grade the same as Opie's job. Oh,

524
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Speaker 2: that's what I mean.

525
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Speaker 1: But there are some relevant comments.

526
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about it.

527
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Speaker 1: No Cause says, they said that it wasn't fair that

528
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Speaker 1: I got the house. You didn't get the house. You've

529
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Speaker 1: been having the house the entire time. Not the ale, okay,

530
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Speaker 1: Bunny says, says, definitely not the a hole over the house.

531
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Speaker 1: You were not only having the house, you were maintaining

532
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Speaker 1: the house and keeping it at a loss so they

533
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Speaker 1: didn't have to move and they had a more comfortable life.

534
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Speaker 1: You paid for their college education, which isn't a small

535
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Speaker 1: feat in itself. And while you weren't there, you made

536
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Speaker 1: it possible for their mom to be there for them.

537
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Speaker 1: They have the right to feel a strange from you,

538
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Speaker 1: but they have no cause to be angry at you

539
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: over the house. I expect a lot of that is

540
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: misplaced rage at losing their mom so early, and it's

541
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: easier to blame someone you don't know well. But as

542
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: expectations that weren't fulfilled.

543
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Speaker 2: Mmmm, I think there are some made I think I.

544
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Speaker 1: Think the points about the house are true. I just

545
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Speaker 1: think that, like, I think he's not the ale for

546
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: the house, but I think he caused the problem.

547
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say, Uh, I do want to give

548
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 4: him some credit in terms of while he maybe just

549
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 4: like you know, schlepping it off and you know, just

550
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 4: kind of trying to again buy by the love, he

551
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: did pay for their colleges, huge, he did provide a

552
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 4: house for them to live in, the mom to live

553
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: rent free, huge and pai childs. But like, like all

554
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 4: of these things combined together are actually very bigbendous uh

555
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 4: contributions Yeah, to towards the children's lives, and their lives

556
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: are in a completely different space had they not been

557
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: given that. I think we can give him credit where

558
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 4: it's due there and still holds him accountable in this

559
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 4: area where it's like if you had just spent time

560
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: sometime with him, maybe they would not have these feelings.

561
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

562
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 4: And also the misplaced rage taking it on and someone

563
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: they barely know that that I thought that was also

564
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 4: very astute observation as well, because they're probably they're probably just.

565
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we don't know this guy, and he's trying

566
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: to take our house.

567
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously legally it.

568
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: Is his house. Totally understandable why he wants to.

569
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're grief or whatever. That's just how they

570
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: feel I think in this.

571
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are two parts to the story. Yes,

572
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Speaker 1: I think he made a lot of mistakes in how

573
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Speaker 1: he handled their parenting as kids. Yes, but I think

574
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Speaker 1: that he is not the a hole in taking the

575
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Speaker 1: house now.

576
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it is a intricate, yeah thing here. You

577
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Speaker 4: can you can be angel over here and a hill

578
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: over here at the same time. Agree, that is totally

579
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: something that can happen.

580
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

581
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if you mentioned this and correct

582
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: me if he did, But if he had, I feel

583
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 4: like you could kind of sit the kids down and

584
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 4: at least make an attempt to explain an each appropriate way.

585
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: He did say that he tried to explain it, Okay,

586
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: we're a little bit older, saying like, hey, I can't

587
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: be there for you because I'm supporting you.

588
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, which kind of a cop out too.

589
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: Just like I totally understand him wanting to support his kids,

590
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: and which is, as you said, yeah, commendable, but.

591
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: There comes a point.

592
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering what his you know, his relationship to

593
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: them was before the divorce. You know, was he there

594
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: for them and why did that relationship? If so, why

595
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: did the relationship change because he kind of put it

596
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: on the mom to raise them.

597
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish we got more context into the divorce

598
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: like process was like and the legal custody percentages.

599
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: Oh.

600
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Speaker 1: Josephinemcdliber Cui says, was he a good father?

601
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Speaker 5: No?

602
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Speaker 1: Was he a good provider?

603
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: That's yeah, maybe like he was a good father, but

604
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: he wasn't a good dad.

605
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, same, same, same thing.

606
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

607
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Speaker 4: People might be mad at me for saying this, but

608
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 4: I think, uh, in this scenario, don't take the extra job.

609
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: They have to pay their way through college, but you

610
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 4: spend all that time with them, better outcome.

611
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Speaker 1: I agree, No, I honestly I think if my parents

612
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Speaker 1: had been like, we're going in you know, they did

613
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: help me through college, but I did have to take

614
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: out loans. And if they said, you know what, we're

615
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: not gonna have to take out any loans. We're gonna

616
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: pay for literally everything but we're not going to see you.

617
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: I would absolutely choose the loans. Yes, I would absolutely

618
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: choose that over not seeing my parents and not spending

619
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: time with them. It's just got really sore. Hold on,

620
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm not crying. I just got something.

621
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: While you're doing that.

622
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely choose to spend time with my parents.

623
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: But no, I totally hear you.

624
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: Like, I think it's funny how like parenting with like

625
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: school and everything, maybe this is our Western capitalistic society

626
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: on the surface, seems like it's kind of gearing you

627
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: towards becoming a productive adult, when in actuality, it should

628
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 4: be building up a loving, good, empathetic adults.

629
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is.

630
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: Like the true goal of parenting, I feel, but it

631
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: can kind of feel with like you know, like high

632
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: school all were helping with figuring out college and like, yeah,

633
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: like all of those things, especially in like later adolescents,

634
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 4: it feels like it's geared towards being a productive adult

635
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: when really the most important thing.

636
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: If you're not a loving, good, empathetic human, then what's

637
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: the point.

638
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also this is not talking about scenarios where

639
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: like a parent.

640
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: Literally can't afford can't afford to do that.

641
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: This is yeah, this is it seems like he can afford.

642
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: We did get the context, yeah, yeah.

643
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there are situations where it's completely different and

644
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: they literally like our living pay paycheck to paycheck and

645
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: have to make the sacrifices.

646
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: This is facts. Yeah, you know what else is a fact, Sophia,

647
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: This next story? Yes, let me. Let me give you

648
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: a break in reading. You can rest your eyes