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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, November tenth, and guess

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Speaker 2: what we have a stacked night of headlines. Missing nine

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Speaker 2: year old Melanie Buzzard's mother, Ashley has officially been arrested

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Speaker 2: for unrelated charges, but arrested nonetheless, so we'll be unpacking that.

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Speaker 2: It is shocking. Also a whistleblower within the prison system

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Speaker 2: that sex offender who has been convicted, Gilane Maxwell, is

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Speaker 2: somehow getting preferential treatment behind prison bars, and there are

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Speaker 2: some formal.

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Speaker 3: Complaints about it.

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Speaker 2: Again, buckle up because you are going to be extremely

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Speaker 2: surprised and mad when you hear some of these things

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Speaker 2: that Gilain Maxwell is getting access to behind bars. Also,

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Speaker 2: some more fallout from the Karen Reid case. We'll remember

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Speaker 2: the detective Michael Proctor, disgraced detective. I might add he

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Speaker 2: has nineteen more murder cases that are being looked at

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Speaker 2: and potentially being called into question because of some of

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Speaker 2: his air quotes potential shady behavior, so lots to get

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Speaker 2: to there. I'm Stephanie Leidecker, I head of Katie Studios.

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Speaker 2: We make true crime podcasts and documentaries and listen. I

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Speaker 2: am so happy to be here this Monday night with

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Speaker 2: my Courtney Armstrong and my body move in.

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Speaker 3: We got the whole crew here.

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Speaker 2: Tonight Taha House and of course Sam and Adam in

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Speaker 2: the control room keeping us all in line. And we've

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Speaker 2: hope you had a great weekend and that your week

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Speaker 2: is off to a perfect start.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, everybody today.

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Speaker 2: Has been a doozy of the day in the news,

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Speaker 2: so we have so many things to get to, but

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Speaker 2: I hope you guys had a great Monday so far.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kicked off.

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Speaker 4: It was actually one of those days where you feel

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Speaker 4: like you're firing on all cylinders, which just feels good.

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Speaker 4: Like all the things that needed to be done got

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Speaker 4: did me too, and with a odd pep in my step, So.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'll call that good.

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Speaker 5: No, I was really productive all day. I don't know

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Speaker 5: what got into me, but I was like knocking things

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Speaker 5: off on my I'm a list maker. I love lists.

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Speaker 5: I will make lists for everything. Okay, are you a

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Speaker 5: list maker? And I'm a list maker and I actually.

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Speaker 3: More of like an Excel doc maker.

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Speaker 3: No, I really did. I was checking things off all day.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, look at me, look at me. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I love that good day. I was a little bit

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Speaker 3: of party pants all weekend.

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Speaker 2: I had some friends come in to surprise me and

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Speaker 2: I feel like a million bucks in same. I haven't

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Speaker 2: just really happy to be here with you guys. I'm happy,

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Speaker 2: period of Yes, that is for sure. We've gotten a

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Speaker 2: lot of chatters, so there is lots of talkbacks and

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Speaker 2: things to get to. But first body, yeah, Shure would

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Speaker 2: begin this. Melody Buzzard, Yeah, case you.

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Speaker 3: Know what we mean, Will Harry So.

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Speaker 5: Ashley Buzzard the mother of the missing nine year old

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Speaker 5: Melody Buzzard. She was arrested in her home near Santa

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Speaker 5: I mean still she's holding on information. Melody Buzzard. For

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Speaker 5: those you know that aren't familiar with this case, Melody Buzzard,

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Speaker 5: she's nine years old. She was reported missing October fourteenth,

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Speaker 5: This little girl was made to wear a wig. It's

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Speaker 5: She was in disguises this whole time, during this trip

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Speaker 5: So in meanwhile, she's not giving any investigators any detail

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Speaker 5: Detectives learned of a recent incident where Ashley the Mom

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Speaker 5: which constitutes false imprisonment. The FBI said in a post

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Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting, So it sounds like they need her, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: They want to keep her on board, in line in jail,

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Speaker 5: maybe to continue to ask her questions, keep her talking.

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Speaker 3: Sure, information about Melodi's.

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Speaker 5: Whereabouts, right, yeah, So hopefully we'll get some more information

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Speaker 5: about that from her being held in confinement, but as

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Speaker 5: of right now, she's not talking. The arrest came one

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Speaker 3: Do you remember we talked about this last week.

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Speaker 5: Mom was taking out the missing posts from the front yard.

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Speaker 4: That was such a horrible sight to see and going, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so just for a couple of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: she's taking the signs back that her hanging in her

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Speaker 3: She's physically taking them down. We've seen that.

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Speaker 2: We've seen her on surveillance footage. She's wearing a wig

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Speaker 2: and her beautiful nine year old daughter is wearing a wig.

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Speaker 2: It was not Halloween. It was almost as though they

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Speaker 2: were in disguise. That's the chatter, correct, right now? We

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Speaker 2: also know that her license plates were swapped out.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 5: I was just going to say, we know that she

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Speaker 5: switched out her license plates on the way back from Nebraska,

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Speaker 5: and investigators say both mother and daughter were wearing wigs.

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Speaker 5: We know that already. They believe mom swapped wigs throughout

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Speaker 4: So think about the premeditation, Think about the preparation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you have to shop for the wigs.

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Speaker 3: You have to have multiples, Yeah, you have to have multiples. Right.

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Speaker 5: And then when she when mom returned the car to

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Speaker 6: You know, to switch them back and forth.

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Speaker 5: She took the time to switch them back right, right.

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Speaker 5: So I thought we we could maybe talk a little

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Speaker 5: bit about her. So Ashley buds her mother said, you know, well,

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Speaker 5: she has a history of mental health and financial challenges

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Speaker 5: prior to Melody going missing. According to her mother, Laurie,

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Speaker 5: Ashley's home was, you know, in disarray when Melody was

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Speaker 5: hospitalized for several weeks, prompting Melody's paternal grandmother, Lily. Again,

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Speaker 5: tragically died in an accident when she was six months old,

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Speaker 5: so he's not in the picture. But grandma is still

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Speaker 5: you know her grandma, right, sure. So when Ashley got

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know, they haven't seen her in a while.

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Speaker 4: Well, of course if the mother Ashley has, you know,

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Speaker 4: crime tonight. We're on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney Armstrong. I'm thrilled

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Speaker 4: to be here with Body Moven and Stephanie Leidecker, and

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Speaker 4: we're talking about the missing nine year old Melody Buzzard.

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Speaker 3: Body. What Yeah, it's very important and we'll repeat that

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Speaker 4: What else do we need to know about sort of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's one other thing. The grandma, Lily said

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Speaker 5: that Ashley legally changed Melody's last name to match her

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Speaker 5: the father's family. So Lily has little clue what Melody's

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Speaker 5: has some mental issues, right, which no, she because you know,

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Speaker 5: she drove her to like a thrusted friend or something

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Speaker 3: Just keep her safe, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like was she running from something or yeah?

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Speaker 3: It's two possibilities here.

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Speaker 2: One maybe mom felt as though, to your point, maybe

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Speaker 2: her daughter was at risk and to put her in

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Speaker 2: a better environment, she had to go through all these

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Speaker 2: Or it's something far more nefarious, and it does check

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Speaker 2: a lot of the boxes when you hear stories of trafficking.

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Speaker 2: Changing license plates is a very coordinated effort.

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Speaker 3: You know, since mom has now.

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Speaker 3: When you said that, Mom.

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Speaker 5: When you said that about the license plates and whatnot

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Speaker 4: Also, you qualified that when you had what you said earlier,

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Speaker 2: That was well said court, that that puts a conclusion

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Speaker 3: Not to be a super double downer, but here we go.

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Speaker 2: Gilay Maxwell, who is Jeffrey Epstein's buddy and co conspirator

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Speaker 2: And now there's been a whistleblower who has come forward

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Speaker 3: He may not know this is happening.

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Speaker 2: So from the rooftops they are saying the following, what

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Speaker 3: Make you mad. Yeah, okay, buckle up.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna make you mad, you'll be telling Mad at

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Speaker 4: both scenario vacation. So here's what's up, Members of the

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Speaker 4: She's preparing a clemency request to President Donald Trump. And

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Speaker 4: Yes, that so per the whistle blower, one of the

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Speaker 4: top prison camp officials complained, he is sick of having

439
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Speaker 4: to be Maxwell's bitch.

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Speaker 5: Top prison official. Oh my gosh, yes, wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

442
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Speaker 2: So basically they're the butlers. What do you hear about

443
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: the services they get? Ok, she's getting some you know,

444
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: interesting interesting side services.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, court, Yes, so her unusual it's the words

446
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 4: that's been used. Her unusual privileges include customize meals delivered

447
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 4: to her cell after hours, gym access, and brace yourself

448
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 4: time with service puppies, which this, since it's noted, is

449
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 4: outside of the norm of what prisoners should be getting.

450
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Speaker 3: Maxwell also has private service puppies. I know, I know,

451
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Speaker 3: I can.

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Speaker 2: We just want to stop on that for one quick second,

453
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Speaker 2: time with service puppies. So Gilay Maxwell, a federally charged

454
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: sex offender who's behind bars, not really not really serving

455
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Speaker 2: the sentence that she was supposed to, despite the many

456
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Speaker 2: that have come forward, is getting time with puppies.

457
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Speaker 3: Can you imagine now? Absolutely? Well? But wait, there's more.

458
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Speaker 4: So Gilaine Maxwell also has private meetings with visitors who

459
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Speaker 4: are allowed to bring computers, and this potentially enables unmonitorus

460
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Speaker 4: communications outside the prison.

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Speaker 3: This is all out side of the norm.

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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, yes, emails. Let's pause their court, sorry

463
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 7: to jump ahead. Yeah, bringing in computers.

464
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Speaker 2: That are not monitored by the system.

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Speaker 8: Okay, wait a minute, she communicates with you outside without

466
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Speaker 8: recorded or monitored. Yeah, not being monitored now, okay, so

467
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Speaker 8: those for those who don't know, every time you're when

468
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Speaker 8: you're in prison and you make a phone call or

469
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Speaker 8: you send an email or you know, on your tablet,

470
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Speaker 8: those are all monitored by prison officials to make sure

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Speaker 8: that you're not you know, you know, conjuring up legal

472
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Speaker 8: activities while you're in prison. You're telling you sheol your

473
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Speaker 8: own computers and they let her hook them up to

474
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Speaker 8: their system and she's using those communities. Oh my god,

475
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Speaker 8: that is I've never heard of anything like this.

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Speaker 3: Even different, even worse.

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Speaker 2: Somebody comes to visit Gilane and let's remember high profile person, right,

478
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Speaker 2: Like the last person that we heard visited glean Axwell

479
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: was just days before she got transferred, and that was

480
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: a top dog within the Trump administration. To get some

481
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: Moring can tell about, you know, what her experience was

482
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Speaker 2: with Epstein. Remember she's getting she's trying to get excused

483
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: or clemency, which is another way of saying excused from

484
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Speaker 2: her crimes. Because back in the day, in twenty eighteen, Epstein,

485
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex offender who has now died.

486
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Speaker 3: Back in twenty eighteen, he.

487
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Speaker 2: Made this deal where he basically said, eh, any of

488
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Speaker 2: this trafficking stuff, none of my co conspirators should be

489
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Speaker 2: tried or you know, brought under any sort of suspicion.

490
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Speaker 2: And now she's claiming like, oh wait, that's me, that's me.

491
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: So like she's trying to get out of a out

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Speaker 2: of her twenty year sentence on like a technicality from

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Speaker 2: back in the day. I would say, if you're not

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Speaker 2: a co conspirator, why would you be covered in the

495
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Speaker 2: co conspirator clause of yesterday year? Obviously there's something to

496
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: conspire about. And we've heard, I mean, Gelett, the list

497
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: is so long of now victims who have come forward

498
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Speaker 2: to speak out against this, show us the files, sorry, Core,

499
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: back to the pens and the other privileges that she.

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Speaker 4: Has, well the biggest, so all of those cushy. And

501
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Speaker 4: I love that the word concierge service was used in this.

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00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 4: Get this Congressional letters allege that the warden is directly

503
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Speaker 4: assisting Maxwell with copying, with printing, and with sending her

504
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 4: clemency documents. So I saw this and thought is this normal?

505
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Speaker 4: And producer Ava actually hopped in. I said, this doesn't

506
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Speaker 4: make any sense, and in fact it doesn't. And a

507
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Speaker 4: warden taking an active role in preparing, sending, or managing

508
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Speaker 4: any specific inmates legal documents, it crosses into case advocacy.

509
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 4: So that is completely outside and it's illegal. Yeah, it's

510
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 4: completely That's what's ridiculous. It's completely outside it's administrative scope,

511
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: and it may violate impartiality. Of course, it may violate

512
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 4: impartiality if you're there saying how many copies, ma'am can

513
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Speaker 4: I get for you as important.

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Speaker 5: And here's some textbooks about the law, and here's you know,

515
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Speaker 5: whatever he's doing, I mean, just giving her advice on

516
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Speaker 5: on I just I've never heard of this before.

517
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so none.

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Speaker 5: I feel kind of like speechless a little bit. And

519
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 5: you're right, I am.

520
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Speaker 3: I'm a little pissed off, actually, well a lot like.

521
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Speaker 2: The fact that this is happening right now when women

522
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: who I guess we just don't believe any of the victims,

523
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Speaker 2: and that Jeffrey Epstein was not doing the things that

524
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Speaker 2: he was accused of doing, which we know is untrue.

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Speaker 3: The one way to prove that is show us the files.

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Speaker 3: Show us the files. What is the hold up? Well,

527
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: it seems like while all of those conversations are going on, Yeah,

528
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: they're just going.

529
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Speaker 5: To like somebody, somebody very powerful and I don't know

530
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Speaker 5: who that is, but somebody very powerful is you know,

531
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Speaker 5: telling the warden to make sure she's comfortable so that

532
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Speaker 5: she doesn't talk. They're never going to release these files.

533
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Speaker 5: It's never going to happen. Like I'm convinced of it.

534
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 5: I disagree, do you? Okay, Well, I I want to.

535
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 5: I want to believe it. I do want to. I

536
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 5: just don't all these people.

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Speaker 2: According to House Representative, you know, our House representative now,

538
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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson says that he will in fact finally swear

539
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Speaker 2: in our congresswoman who is finally going to be the

540
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: vote in signature that is needed to perhaps get these

541
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Speaker 2: files finally released. As I say that, Courtney Armstrong and

542
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: both body moving are both shaking their heads like it's just.

543
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: Going to be something going to see.

544
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Speaker 5: They're going to find some rule, some procedural rule that's

545
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 5: going to block it. They're going to find some excuse

546
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Speaker 5: not to release it.

547
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Speaker 2: Listen, we are knee deep and a lot of frankly

548
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: terrible talks about Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell. At the moment,

549
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: we were just discussing the fact that Elaine Maxwell is allegedly,

550
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly getting some really sweet treatment behind bars, like

551
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Speaker 2: playing with some pets. She has access to special food

552
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: being delivered to her her cell after hours. Oh, she

553
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: also has access to a gym after hours.

554
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Speaker 3: In private computers.

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Speaker 2: That is more than any single one of us listening

556
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: right now probably don't have that same sweet access on

557
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: a daily basis. And this is somebody who has been

558
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: federally convicted on sex crimes. So again it was number one,

559
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: a really bad thing and an interesting thing, a frankly

560
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Speaker 2: Air quotes unusual thing that she was transferred to such

561
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Speaker 2: a low security prison.

562
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Speaker 3: In the first place.

563
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Speaker 2: By the way, the inmates at this low security prisoner

564
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: are like, Hi, we don't really want the pedophile and

565
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Speaker 2: the sex trafficker or the sex offender kind of roaming

566
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Speaker 2: amongst us. We do different kinds of crimes here that

567
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: we've been convicted of.

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Speaker 3: It's a different place.

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Speaker 2: There's not even any bars, there's not even Yeah, they're like,

570
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: it's low key, it's still prison. Not to understate, but

571
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 2: the fact that this woman is getting access to a

572
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: computer that is not being regulated in the fact that's

573
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: true by officials, just means the show is going on.

574
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: So she's filing for clemency, she wants to get released,

575
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: she wants a commutation, which essentially could be also she

576
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: could get pardoned by the president. But also that she

577
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: is getting access to the real world when no other

578
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Speaker 2: prisoner in that place. By the way, no other prisoner

579
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: anywhere is getting that. That is like the number one

580
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: thing you have to give up when you were arrested.

581
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: You're privacated for a crime. It's like highly monitored. You

582
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: can't even receive a letter in the mail without it

583
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: me for obvious reasons. Yeah, exactly. And maybe the warden

584
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: is suddenly now her attorney, But these are privileges that

585
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: are straight up dangerous. The idea that she would have

586
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: access to a laptop that is not being regulated when

587
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: she is being associated with a worldwide trafficking event, that

588
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: it's happening real time, is.

589
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Speaker 3: Shocking to me.

590
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Speaker 2: And again Speaker of the House Mike Johnson says he will,

591
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Speaker 2: in fact, you know, swear in the congresswoman who might

592
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: be the one who will get these files released.

593
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Speaker 3: That's a big deal.

594
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Speaker 2: The government may in fact be back soon, hopefully, you know,

595
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Speaker 2: God willing then later and maybe this will put an

596
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: end to it. I know you guys, I mean I

597
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: get it, Like, it doesn't seem as though there's not

598
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: going to be some sort of thing and yet another thing. Oh,

599
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: they're not going to pardon Gileen Maxwell, of course not

600
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: We're just going to quietly, allegedly put her in like

601
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: a spa and give her all the village is of

602
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: a regular person, and she should will be the wiser

603
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: until she shuts up. She won't say anything. We won't

604
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: say anything. Hey, look, everybody wins. What is everybody not saying?

605
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: And I, you know, this gets us all so hot

606
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: and bothered me specifically, But what are they not saying?

607
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 2: And I don't know either, Like it's not as though

608
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: I secretly think that I know the endgame in this,

609
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: like oh, this is the person that's going to be exposed.

610
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. Actually I'm equally confused as everything.

611
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 5: It's mutual assured destruction. Like it's it's everybody.

612
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: It's so well said.

613
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 5: It's the Democrats, it's the Republicans, it's the miners, it's

614
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 5: the majors, it's the it's everybody, and you know, it's everybody.

615
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 5: I think that's why every you know, because this isn't

616
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 5: just the banks, It's it's all the banks.

617
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: You're right, the banks. It's not even I think, let's even.

618
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 2: Out of respect for the country that I love so much.

619
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: On the eve of Veterans Day, as a United States citizen.

620
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: I am so proud to be one. This is the

621
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: greatest country in all the world. So I don't want

622
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: to talk anything negative, even about Let's just put it

623
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: aside for a sec right, put aside even Trump. Let's

624
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 2: go back to everyone.

625
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: Prior, every other elected official in the time. Oh, I

626
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: don't know every world leader. How about every banker? How

627
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: about the world leaders of every bank who's making all

628
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: the decisions about our government real time? What is the

629
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: problem that everybody seems to be inheriting? You know, if

630
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: you look at this one, they're like, oh, actually it

631
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: was that one. No, no, no, it's this one. It's

632
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: that one. Okay, So who's the top dog in this one?

633
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 3: That one game? I don't know, is there a top dog.

634
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 4: It's a ton of messy dogs, a ton a ton

635
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 4: of privileged people with power with money, both of which

636
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 4: buy control, who are indeed, it appears, controlling the narrative

637
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 4: to keep their yeah noses out of it. It's probably

638
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 4: so true, like that names in the name, there's a

639
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: reason we're not seeing the files. Let's be honest, right,

640
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: so we can all agree that there's an egregious cover

641
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 4: up happening.

642
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: So despite the fact.

643
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: That every corner seems to be like, yeah, we're going

644
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: to show you, but of course we're not. That's becoming

645
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: the joke at this point. You know, everybody's saying we're

646
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: going to be so transparent, yet going.

647
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: Through every possible tactic to not be so. It's going

648
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: to be pretty bad. And I think we follow the money.

649
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: I honestly, as we see more influential people do more

650
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 2: horrifying things.

651
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: As as the rest of us, the government being shut down,

652
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: people not being paid.

653
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Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me on the soapbox of all

654
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Speaker 2: of the things that are happening real time around us.

655
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Speaker 2: What are we going to do with Courtney Armstrong. I

656
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Speaker 2: feel like you're going to solve it for us right now.

657
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Speaker 3: I'd like to solve it.

658
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Speaker 4: And if there's a platform, I think it is this one,

659
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Speaker 4: which is True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio and yeah, I'm Courtney,

660
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: I'm here with body, I'm here with Steph and we

661
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 4: have been talking about Gillien Maxwell's preferential treatment and the

662
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Speaker 4: whistleblower who has put forth these wild details of what

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Speaker 4: she is allegedly receiving. If you want to weigh in,

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Speaker 4: and we want you to give us a call. We

665
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Speaker 4: are at eighty eight three to one crime or as always,

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Speaker 4: you can hit us on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: So it's in the upper right hand corner. It's a

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Speaker 4: little icon of a microphone and press it, leave a

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Speaker 3: And now we are.

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Speaker 4: Going to go into what is happening with Prince Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Right a little bit right?

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Speaker 5: So, so body, yeah, the House, the US is getting

674
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Speaker 5: involved with the Prince Andrew situation.

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Speaker 3: So well, former Prince Andrew right.

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Speaker 5: US House members have formally requested that former Prince Andrew,

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Speaker 5: now he's known as Andrew mount Batton windsor that's his

678
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Speaker 5: official name because he's no longer Prince Andrew testified before

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Speaker 5: Congress about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 3: Can you believe this?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this follows uh Andrew's recent loss of all his

683
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Speaker 5: royal titles amid renewed scrutiny of this alleged involvement with

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Speaker 5: the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 4: Ad I wonder if this doesn't line up then, because

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Speaker 4: we were asking and Stephanie leading the charge of sort

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Speaker 4: of the why now strip Andrew's title from him after

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Speaker 4: things have been you know, by months and in pieces

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Speaker 4: put stripped away.

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Speaker 3: And maybe this is a big part of it.

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Speaker 5: It could be, but I think a lot of it

692
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Speaker 5: has to do with Guphray's book, Virginia Gupfray's book. I

693
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Speaker 5: think nobody's girl, right. I think that you know, this

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Speaker 5: exposed Prince Andrew keeps. You know, it's going to be

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Speaker 5: hard to get used to that, not saying printing Andrew

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Speaker 5: Andrew out windsor Andrew windsor right the House of Windsor.

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Speaker 5: I think that it's going to be I think it

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Speaker 5: exposed him, like to a lot of people. You know,

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Speaker 5: she went into great detail in this book about how

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Speaker 5: he was with her, and I think that, you know,

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Speaker 5: the King of England was like, uh eh no, I

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Speaker 5: just I do. And now Congress wants to know about it.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a pretty significant development.

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Speaker 3: I don't know they should.

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Speaker 2: Know about it. By the way, I want to know

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Speaker 2: about it. How is this man getting away with everything?

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Speaker 2: I don't care about his titles. I'm a super fan

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Speaker 2: of all things royals, by the way, so I support

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Speaker 2: the royals.

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Speaker 3: I love the royals, I follow them.

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Speaker 2: I got up for every wedding and watch it at

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Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 3: I'm on board.

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Speaker 2: The idea that Prince Andrew has titles taken away when

715
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Speaker 2: he too is being associated with a sex.

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Speaker 3: Offense is also offensive.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, people want criminal charges here in the United States,

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Speaker 2: or they want an interview with him. I think people

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Speaker 2: also in England want some real criminal charges for this nonsense. Also,

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Speaker 2: why is Fergie taking cash? By the way, I love Fergie.

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Speaker 2: This hurts me to say it. This hurts me to

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Speaker 2: say it. Why is Sarah Ferguson taking cash?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 4: I have been talking to Betty my mom, and Fergie

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Speaker 4: is as.

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Speaker 3: The royal more than me, other than Betty. Yes, but

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Speaker 3: even Betty will say that. And my mom is a grifter, yes,

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Speaker 3: and stop hold the presses. I want to hear that.

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Speaker 3: Say it louder. Wait, she's also she's always Jetty's opinions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, she's always begging money off begging money

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Speaker 4: off of that one. But the House over Side Committee,

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Speaker 4: they sent a formal letter and this was just on

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Speaker 4: November six, and that was requesting Andrew's cooperation with the

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Speaker 4: investigation into Epstein's network, and it asked Andrew to sit

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Speaker 4: for a transcribed interview and to respond to this November

736
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Speaker 4: by November twentieth, and they said there is quote urgency and.

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Speaker 3: Gravity to the matter.

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Speaker 4: And law makers also said that Andrew's long standing friendship

739
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Speaker 4: with Epstein, as well as quote well documented allegations, suggests

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Speaker 4: he could have information relevant to identifying Epstein's co conspirators

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Speaker 4: and enablers.

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Speaker 3: And that seems so obvious. I mean, it just seems

743
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Speaker 3: really clear. It does. I mean, what is the hold up?

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Speaker 3: Why is he not jumping in?

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Speaker 2: Let's assume for a second again, class half full, a

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Speaker 2: bright eyed, sunny place that my brain lives. Is it

747
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Speaker 2: possible that Jeffrey Epstein, the very you know, charismatic important man,

748
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Speaker 2: invited very other charismatic and important men to his you know,

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Speaker 2: special island, all expenses paid to come there and have

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Speaker 2: important talks with other important people.

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Speaker 3: Listen, That's how it goes, kids, right.

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Speaker 2: It happens on golf color courses, it happens on island, yea.

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Speaker 3: Cruise ships. You know, everybody's schmoozy. Right.

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Speaker 2: This is not my reality, but I see it in

755
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: the movies, right, and I know this is how certain

756
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: things go down, or at least they did. And let's

757
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Speaker 2: assume they were all brought there under the best of circumstances.

758
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Speaker 2: Maybe they were going to talk about the world and

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Speaker 2: how to make it better.

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Speaker 3: And when when they.

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Speaker 2: Get there, there are all these young, beautiful girls offering

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Speaker 2: a massage.

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Speaker 3: And then it escalates and then they realize.

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Speaker 2: Oh, shoot, I got a massage. Yeah, I got a

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Speaker 2: massage by the wrong she's underage. I just seen his

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Speaker 2: sixty too bad. We have all these camera Oh my goodness,

767
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Speaker 2: she's thirteen and what And look there's cameras everywhere.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize it, Oh my goodness. And maybe I

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Speaker 3: had been.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they were drugged, maybe they were drinking, maybe there

771
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Speaker 2: were stone sober. But regardless, there's now blackmail evidence to

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Speaker 2: keep you in line.

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Speaker 3: And so the story goes.

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Speaker 5: And not only blackmail evidence, Stephanie, Right, this is blackmail

775
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Speaker 5: evident evidence against heads of state, right, or people with

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Speaker 5: influence with.

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Speaker 3: Yes of state. Correct.

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Speaker 5: Right, So this is like, yeah, more war than just right, yeah, yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 5: which are also kind of head.

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Speaker 2: To state if you think about it, right, like affecting

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Speaker 2: every single one of us literally and expecting interest rates

782
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Speaker 2: and all of the things that we're all suffering with

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Speaker 2: real time. It's like the price of eggs is a

784
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Speaker 2: bajillion dollars. It seems like at least so we're all

785
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Speaker 2: feeling the burn financially. Yet these guys are running around

786
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Speaker 2: in fancy livland eyelands getting a free pass to behave badly,

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Speaker 2: and there's evidence, and they're like, oh.

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Speaker 3: Shoot, I won't tell if you don't tell. I won't

789
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Speaker 3: tell if you don't tell.

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Speaker 2: There's like every important person is pictured with Epstein.

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Speaker 3: Epstein was at.

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Speaker 2: Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson's children's wedding, by the way,

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Speaker 2: a birthday talking them.

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Speaker 3: Out of this.

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Speaker 2: Take those daughters and birthday parties. And this has nothing

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Speaker 2: to do with Eugenie and Beatrice. I take them out

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Speaker 2: of it. The daughters, they have nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 3: They're innocent. But Fergie, Sarah Ferguson, I am mad at you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Sarah Ferguson, and Andrew whatever his name is, Wittenbacher.

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Speaker 4: They invited a known pedophile to their underage daughter's birthday party.

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Speaker 3: Yeah she was, I think, thank you, shame.

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Speaker 5: Right and shame Oh and she went to like the

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00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 5: white parties at Ditti's too, there's like, you know it's connection.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, by the way, I can't wait to get

805
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: to that later in the show too. We have more

806
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: save it for these And I guess that's why that

807
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: gets me so mad, because I'm extra man, because like

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Speaker 2: your mom, Betty, Hi, Betty, we wish.

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Speaker 3: You would call in.

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00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: But she refuses itself too late. But with us in spirit,

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Speaker 2: she's having a nap.

812
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: But regardless, she's right because we all, you know, we

813
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 3: all respect the royals. We want to think more.

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00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: We want them to hold a higher and better life

815
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: and to hear that this is so down and dirty

816
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: and in the gutter, and that forty plus women are

817
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: like actively on Capitol Hill saying release the files.

818
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: We are victims, and everyone's like, eh, I don't know.

819
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: She doesn't seem that believable. I don't know who cares.

820
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 2: And there's much more to it at this point, So

821
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: I think Andrews should give an interview. It won't happen.

822
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Speaker 2: They already have to testify that history interview. He might

823
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: testify in front of and in line, get in line.

824
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Speaker 2: All of them have to testify in front of Congress.

825
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Speaker 3: But like nobody will because there's no Congress in sessions

826
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Speaker 3: get away with it.

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Speaker 5: That's true, that's true. Well, that might change her soon, hopefully,

828
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Speaker 5: God willing, right, true, God willing, Well, it might be

829
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Speaker 5: any day now, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I hope it should be.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: Listen, stick around because at the top of the hour

833
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 4: we have that this is really something to look into.

834
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 4: There are more executions this year than any year since

835
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Speaker 4: twenty twelve. But the reasons behind it, yeah, they might

836
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 4: be surprising. We are also going to be talking about

837
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Speaker 4: Diddy and his alleged prison ooch.

838
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: We'll give us a call eight a eighty.

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Speaker 3: Body, let's go Courtney.

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Speaker 5: Every time somebody says Michael Proctor's name, I feel like

854
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 5: I need to sing like that Miley Cyrus song. I

855
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 5: came in like a recking mom because he is just spreading,

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Speaker 5: do you know what I mean? Like, yes, yes, Okay,

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Speaker 5: this is what's going on you guys. So former Massachusetts

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Speaker 5: State Police detective Michael Proctor, his phone records and all

859
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Speaker 5: his misconduct that he did in the Karen Reid case

860
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Speaker 5: are now under review, possibly affecting up to nineteen additional

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Speaker 5: Norfolk County murder cases period the end.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: So this this is like a this is like a

864
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 5: really bad ripple effect, right, I mean we talk about

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Speaker 5: the ripple eflect a lot. And if you think about

866
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Speaker 5: like the ripple effect we've talked about with Brian Koberger

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Speaker 5: and what he did. You know, he murdered for college

868
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Speaker 5: students in the ripple effect was felt bout the town,

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Speaker 5: the family. Yes, this is a cop investigating the death

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Speaker 5: of John O'Keefe.

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Speaker 3: Right.

872
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 5: Karen Reid was charged and he did misconduct after misconduct

873
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 5: after misconduct, and this phone, this phone that you know,

874
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: has all this information, it's going to affect possibly nineteen cases.

875
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 5: Talk about a ripple effect, oh my.

876
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 4: God, Well it's really more tsunami oh than ripple because

877
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 4: each one of these cases, each one of these has perpetrators,

878
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 4: you know, or the ques perpetrators, each some of them

879
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 4: has victims and victims' families, defense and prosecution attorneys, and

880
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: everything needs to be looked at because you know, as

881
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 4: you said, his impropriety was off the charts. He was

882
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 4: summarity summarily let go and then this is when the

883
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 4: word came up, had the temerity to then try and get.

884
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: His job back. It was a no again.

885
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, and here we are, so what information do

886
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 4: we have. Well, it's just as a recap.

887
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 5: So he was fired in March of this year, twenty

888
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 5: twenty five over his handling of this Karen Reid case.

889
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 5: In the investigation in which Karen Reid was charged in

890
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 5: the death of her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O'Keeffe,

891
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 5: but ultimately she was acquitted of the most serious charges,

892
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 5: and Proctor's investigative practices, including sending vulgar and misogynistic texts

893
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 5: about Karen Reid have drawn legal scrutiny and prompted reviews

894
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 5: of other cases he investigated. So this is the reason

895
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 5: of the tsunami that we're talking about. And I think

896
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 5: largely I could argue that Proctor was one of the main,

897
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 5: one of the main reasons she got acquitted because of

898
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 5: his you know, investigation, how crappy it was and his

899
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 5: behavior to Karen Reid was possibly one of the reasons

900
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 5: she got acquitted.

901
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 4: Well, I absolutely agree, because it called into question and

902
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: I'm moving way way past this is a bad guy,

903
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 4: but it called into question the veracity of the investigation

904
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 4: and also the motive behind his.

905
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 3: Personal It felt like a personal.

906
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 4: Vendetta because you know, his communications were personal to be accused.

907
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 5: And that's what the defense basically kind of proposed, right

908
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 5: that there was some sort of you know, personal attack

909
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 5: on Karen Reid. And anyway, you guys all know what

910
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 5: happened Karen Reid. That is in the rear view mirror.

911
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 5: But this whiplasher that we're experiencing now is current. So

912
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 5: the phone records from the former detective Michael Proctor, including

913
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 5: deleted and recovered data are under protective order and have

914
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 5: been made available to defense attorneys. The Norfolk District Attorney's

915
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 5: Office reviewed the federal investigation into Karen Reid's case and

916
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 5: disclosed material as required by law. On October thirtieth. The

917
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 5: ruling in the Brian Walsh case identified eighteen additional Norfolk

918
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 5: County cases potentially impacted by Proctor's misconduct. Now, let's unpack

919
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 5: that for a second. So, Brian Walsh stands accused of

920
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 5: dismembering his wife and depositing her body in dumpster throughout

921
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 5: the city.

922
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,959
Speaker 3: Right, and he was.

923
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 5: He's in jail now, and he basically was getting like

924
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 5: this mental evaluation in to cefi's competent to stand trial. Well,

925
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 5: when they were looking at this the communications because oh,

926
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 5: Michael Procter was the investigator in this case, Brian Walsh case,

927
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 5: And when they were looking at Proctor's phone in relation

928
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 5: to the Brian Walsh case, they identified eighteen additional County

929
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 5: cases potentially impacted, Like, oh, my gosh, including Brian Walsh.

930
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: Obviously.

931
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 5: I mean the the Brian Walsh case, in the Animalsh

932
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 5: case is something that we've talked about a couple of

933
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 5: times so far. So you know, this is a highly

934
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 5: very disappointing for us. The oldest impacted case involves Cornell

935
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 5: Bell and this person was arrested in twenty seventeen for

936
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 5: a deadly stabbing and sentenced to life in prison five

937
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 5: years later. In twenty twenty two, the judge ordered the

938
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 5: US Attorney's office to maintain a complete copy of the

939
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 5: confidential Procter materials. Proctor's misogynistic texts were reviewed or I'm

940
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 5: sorry revealed during Karen Reid's first trial. This is when

941
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 5: we learned about all the inappropriate things that he was

942
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 5: saying about Karen Reid to like his buddies, you know,

943
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 5: his his pals. You know, he said some pretty disgusting,

944
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 5: disgusting things. Well, that ended in a hung jury and

945
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 5: he did not testify at that. He did not testify

946
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 5: at her retrial, Okay, but he did testify at the

947
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 5: one that she got the hung jury in, but he

948
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 5: did not test They were like, no, we don't want

949
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 5: to understand.

950
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: Right, made that mistake once and that was enough, right, Right.

951
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 5: So it remains unclear like what specific evidence from Proctor's

952
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 5: devices may influence any of these cases moving forward, but

953
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 5: it is a cautionary tale of you know, the things

954
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 5: that these investigators are saying on their on their cell

955
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 5: phones to other people could affect the case. So if

956
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 5: you're listening and you're a cop, be careful.

957
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: That's right.

958
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 4: Well, one thing that makes me happy in what you said.

959
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 4: And you may think that is an odd word to use,

960
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 4: but just that this investigation is being done, that things

961
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 4: are being brought to the light, that you know, the

962
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 4: Norfolk Das have been able to review all of this stuff,

963
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 4: all of the information that it's been handsed over. So

964
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 4: if nothing else, the correct information is being looked at.

965
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 4: This is True Crime tonight and we're on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney,

966
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 4: I'm here with Body. I'm here with Stephanie and Taha

967
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 4: and Sam and Adam in the control room and we've

968
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 4: been talking about Michael Proctor and the nineteen cases that

969
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 4: may now be called into question because of his impropriety.

970
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 9: Oh god, I imagine being a family member of a

971
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 9: victim in local Proctor worked on your case ten years ago,

972
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 9: and now the guy that killed your father or something

973
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 9: is like, oh, I just it's so irritating.

974
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 5: I'm very upset.

975
00:54:54,560 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's incredibly upsetting. Again, there are so many multiple

976
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 4: lives that will be upended because of this man.

977
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 3: Now in it.

978
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 5: You know, it is also possible on the flip side

979
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 5: of things that, you know, maybe he puts somebody away

980
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 5: that's innocent, right, correct, man, correct?

981
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 3: Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. I was just

982
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 3: kind of you don't know.

983
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 4: Well, listen, if you're as fired up as body doesn't

984
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 4: want to get it off your chest, give us a call.

985
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 4: We're here for it eight at eight three one crime.

986
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 4: So let us go to a talk back.

987
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 3: What do you think? Sure, let's do it.

988
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 10: Pay True Crime Team. I just wanted to let you know.

989
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 10: The other day I was on discord with a group

990
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 10: of all men, and there was one teenager who started

991
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 10: talking about not being able to get girls and started

992
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 10: to use some insult terminology, and every person on the

993
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 10: call jumped in and you know, told him that not

994
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 10: to worry. He's still young, and you know, if you

995
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 10: can sell girls will want to be with him. And

996
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 10: his burbage totally changed, and he left the call super optimistic,

997
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 10: and it was so nice to see everyone on the

998
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 10: call encouraging him and discouraging in cell talk. So I

999
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 10: thought I would share that with you for some good

1000
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 10: news look for to listening to you next five.

1001
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 5: Wow, that's that's surprising, like because normally like a little kid, wow,

1002
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 5: little kid, but a teenage boy might dig their heels

1003
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 5: in against the forty figures of some kind, right, But

1004
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 5: it sounds like he took this like, you know, oh, okay,

1005
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 5: that's gosh, it's so great.

1006
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 3: I'm so glad all that.

1007
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm so grateful you shared that because as we've

1008
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 4: talked about, you know, producing producing in cells, this series

1009
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 4: that we've been working on, it's been so heavy and

1010
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 4: what you hit on is so exactly right. The first

1011
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 4: thing you said is when you know people joined in,

1012
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 4: and it sounded like that kid was heard. He needed

1013
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 4: to be heard first of all, to hear the wonderful

1014
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 4: things that you guys jumped in and said. So you know,

1015
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 4: the communication part of it all is so great, and

1016
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 4: actually having a back and forth is what so many

1017
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 4: of us really need, just to be seen and validating

1018
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 4: it heard.

1019
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 5: And you know he maybe, you know, he maybe this

1020
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 5: kid you know talks to is maybe doesn't want to

1021
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 5: talk to mom and dad about this because like I

1022
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 5: remember when I was a little when I was a teenager,

1023
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 5: there was this guy that I had this big brush

1024
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,479
Speaker 5: on and and he knew it and he liked me too,

1025
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 5: but he also liked this other girl, and he had

1026
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 5: to make a decision, okay, and he picked the other girl.

1027
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 5: And I remember like crying in my room, and I

1028
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 5: really wanted to tell my mom. I was like probably fourteen,

1029
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 5: and but I didn't want her to be like ashamed

1030
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 5: of me, like I wasn't chosen.

1031
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you know what I mean?

1032
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 5: Yes, And so I wonder if you know, kids, I'm

1033
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 5: sure all kids probably feel that way.

1034
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: You don't, you're embarrassed, you don't.

1035
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 5: You don't want your mom to know you're not the

1036
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 5: most popular kid in school, right, Oh.

1037
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 4: To think, I mean to use the language of what

1038
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 4: I felt in middle school.

1039
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: Didn't think I'm a loser sometimes, you know, that's right.

1040
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 5: And so maybe this kid in particular didn't, you know,

1041
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 5: is you know, doesn't want to talk to mom or

1042
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 5: dad about it, but talking to fellow gamers, you know,

1043
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 5: somebody he doesn't have to face, he doesn't have to

1044
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 5: wake up in the morning too. So I'm so glad

1045
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 5: that you guys were there for him. So yeah, and actually, in.

1046
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 4: In cells, I'm not sure if it's going to be

1047
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 4: next week or the week after. But we have an

1048
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 4: interview with this woman and she is a sports therapist,

1049
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 4: and so she intersects in a lot of lives of

1050
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 4: young men and a lot of what she is saying

1051
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 4: is so many of them they have no one to

1052
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 4: talk to or to your point, body, they don't want

1053
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 4: to speak to their mothers for whatever the reason, and

1054
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 4: they may have this vitriolic thoughts in their head and

1055
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 4: a lot of times it just needs to blow off

1056
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 4: steam and say to someone trusted or as a gamer,

1057
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 4: you know, respected because there's some kind of respect in

1058
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 4: that and just hey, here's my situation. Anyway, we really

1059
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 4: thank you for that. That was such great news.

1060
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good news. I'm so glad to hear that.

1061
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 5: We like those kind of talk well, we like all

1062
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 5: the talkbacks, but we like those kind of talks backs

1063
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 5: where it's like, you know, actionable things are moving in

1064
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 5: a positive direction.

1065
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: So totally talk about perfect Hi.

1066
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 11: Hi, this is Marissa from Maryland. I had a quick

1067
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 11: question about the perfect neighbor. She mentioned that she was

1068
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 11: doctor Lawrence. Do we know what she was a doctor

1069
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 11: of question mark?

1070
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you to touch that I didn't actually touch that.

1071
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 5: Does anybody know, because I certainly don't.

1072
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: Is she I totally caught that, and I don't know.

1073
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 4: I know I noticed it absolutely when she said it,

1074
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 4: because it just made her sound. I thought she was

1075
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 4: there in her house clothes and trying to sound a

1076
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 4: little bigger than But no, I don't know what she

1077
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 4: was a doctor of. But I would love to look

1078
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 4: into that, and actually we'll get back to you within

1079
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 4: the show because I'm so curious.

1080
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I did recall that when I watched the Doctor,

1081
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 6: she did say that at one point or one of

1082
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 6: the police officers I think referred to her that as

1083
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 6: a doctor early on, or is that.

1084
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: He might have.

1085
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 4: I don't remember that, but she definitely referred to herself

1086
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Speaker 4: as doctor Lawrence. Okay, so in any case, we will

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01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 4: we will answer that. But oh, there was actually one

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01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 4: more thing I forgot, and I apologize.

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01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 3: For being a.

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01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 4: Scattered is the way I'm looking for. But one more

1091
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 4: thing on the Glaine Maxwell for a hot minute, here's

1092
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 4: one piece of in form that didn't come up. This

1093
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: is about a whistle blower talking about her preferential treatment

1094
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 4: in the prison she's in. So Jamie Raskin, who's representative Maryland,

1095
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 4: publicly condemned Maxwell's elevated treatment and warned that staff who

1096
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 4: blow the whistle are being punished or retaliated again, So

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01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 4: that's the allegation.

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01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 3: This is really big.

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01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 4: Yes, and Raskin also raised concerns about potential retaliation against

1100
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 4: other inmates who speak to the press about Maxwell's condition.

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01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 6: Wow, so I'm trying to keep everybody quiet about everything

1102
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 6: that's involved with her.

1103
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 5: That's right, That's right. So saying I just want to

1104
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 5: make sure I understand this. He is saying that they

1105
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 5: already are okay, there's two things. They already are receiving retaliation,

1106
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 5: but he's also worried about inmates that may talk.

1107
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 3: That's exactly correct. So exactly right.

1108
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, what kind of retaliation I wonder early facing.

1109
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1110
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 4: I mean, this will definitely keep unfolding, and you know,

1111
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 4: we'll keep everyone up to date as always and keep

1112
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 4: it here because after the break we are finally going

1113
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 4: to get into the actual recipe of Shan Didy Combs

1114
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 4: is homemade Hoochin prison allegedly.

1115
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 3: I got my notpad that more True Crime tonight.

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01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, We're talking

1117
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

1118
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and my body move in, and of course

1119
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: we have Taha, Sam and Adam also in the house.

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01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 3: So listen.

1121
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: Speaking of preferential treatment, because you know what you just

1122
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 2: landed on Courtney with Gilaine Maxwell is pretty staggering. The

1123
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: idea that somebody behind bars who is getting allegedly preferential

1124
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: treatment like she apparently is according to said whistle blower,

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01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: and that others that may complain or come out with

1126
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 2: similar complaints are getting you know, in trouble or getting

1127
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: you know, in my head, they're getting beaten up, right,

1128
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: Like that isn't that what happens in prison? Stitches get stitches,

1129
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 2: So if you speak up, you get, you know, somehow,

1130
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: you get in trouble yourself.

1131
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 3: Is that the implication? Well, you know what I would have.

1132
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 4: I sound so surprised because that makes total perfect sense,

1133
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 4: But I'm picturing this low security female prison so differently.

1134
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 4: My thought of retaliation, I'm not kidding, was like, uh,

1135
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 4: you know, nomac and cheese or I don't know, but

1136
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 4: that's a big, very off base.

1137
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 9: Like that's a really big deal in print if your

1138
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 9: days Yeah exactly, body.

1139
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, so retaliation could be literally you're you know, you're

1140
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 5: not getting the special food. You know, that could be

1141
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 5: one hundred percent punishment for somebody that's whistle blowing in

1142
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 5: prison and inmates so to speak.

1143
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 7: You know, I mean, you know you're not going where.

1144
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 7: You don't get to go for the walk outs yet. Yeah,

1145
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 7: you don't get fresh air that you're in the hole.

1146
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 7: You don't get to go to the yard. The idea

1147
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 7: that Gieley Maxwell this is shocking to me. I don't

1148
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 7: know why it's bothering me so much as I search for.

1149
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: My weighted vest on this funday as we speak, when

1150
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: to put it on the fact that she is going

1151
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 2: and working out after hours with like a special trainer

1152
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: makes me crazy, And I don't we we are literally

1153
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: wearing weighted vests while we are on the show because

1154
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: there's no time in the day. Raise your hand if

1155
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: you're listening and you feel as though there is not

1156
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 2: enough time in your busy day to get some exercise in.

1157
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 3: Raise your hand.

1158
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: If you are listening right now and you think it

1159
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: is really hard to have to make make a perfect

1160
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: meal and wouldn't you like it to have a deliver

1161
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: to you?

1162
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: Oh, oh, raise your hand.

1163
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 2: If you have had a hard, long day and you

1164
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: are struggling because your rights have been you know, your

1165
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: money's been furloughed, the government's shut down, you're stuck at

1166
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 2: the airport. How about the fact that you would love

1167
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: to play with some puppies and maybe have access to

1168
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 2: some furry animals to ease any of your tension. How

1169
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: was it humanly possible that Geelay Maxwell, who has raised

1170
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,479
Speaker 2: her hand not to help other women, not to help

1171
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 2: other young girls in the face of being sexually assaulted

1172
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: by powerful men. The idea that she was teeing them up,

1173
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: literally teeing them up grooming. Yes, but Liz, imagine another

1174
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: woman is like literally setting you up to a stage

1175
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 2: because that's the stick. Oh, there's another woman there. It

1176
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: can't be that bad. Oh, there's another woman there, so

1177
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 2: this must be legit. She's the right so knowingly literally

1178
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,479
Speaker 2: knowingly that she is sucking in young girls, any girl

1179
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: of any age. It could be old women. It could

1180
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: be me and sucking them in and be like, oh no, girl,

1181
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: it's cool, don't worry. Their nice, it's nice.

1182
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 3: This is what we do. Totally.

1183
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 2: It's not normal, it's totally fine. We'll do and it

1184
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: escalates and then it escalates. Yeah, exactly, you'll get paid.

1185
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 2: This is whatever everybody does it. And another woman giving

1186
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: you that cue somehow could really make that feel okay

1187
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: in the moment if you don't know.

1188
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 3: Better and you're not trained.

1189
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: It's so gross. It's almost grosser than the actual offense.

1190
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: Because I think women should look out for each I agree,

1191
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: and like the fact that this one didn't.

1192
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 5: Whenever I get an uber and it's a woman, I'm like, Okay,

1193
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 5: it's good, you know what I mean.

1194
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 3: Like, and that's just exactly of this.

1195
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 5: You know, obviously funny you say that, but you know

1196
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 5: this is what it is like on its face. You know,

1197
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 5: you trust other women that they're not gonna if there's

1198
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 5: like a creditor, or they're not going to put me

1199
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 5: in harm's way. And you know she's older, she's exactly,

1200
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 5: she's dressed well, she's stylish, she has money. Of course,

1201
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 5: teenagers are going to be like, wow.

1202
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 3: She's bugs with royalty and presidents and people of like,

1203
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 3: she's influence, she's exactly, you know, all the things. She's

1204
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 3: a devil, because you know, you might get a bad

1205
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 3: feeling if you're a young woman going into a nefarious situation.

1206
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you're a young woman who goes into a

1207
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 3: situation and you're like, I get a bad feeling, and

1208
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 3: it's rare to be like I get a bid feeling,

1209
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 3: and I'm outy, and I'm gonna put my foot down

1210
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna run. They don't have that option. They're

1211
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 3: on like an island.

1212
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 2: There's a passport required, there's a helicopter required.

1213
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: By the way, Giley Maxwell allegedly is the one flying

1214
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 3: the helicopters. The girl's up and then she flies the helicopter.

1215
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 3: She's the pilot. She pilized them to this island. Hand

1216
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 3: to God. Yeah the Bible. Yeah, she flies them to

1217
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 3: the island. She's a pilot. She's the pilot, by the way.

1218
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: That's according to Lisa Bryant, who did the docks on

1219
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 2: both on the show.

1220
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 3: That was a real big thing.

1221
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 2: Imagine, So you had this cool, like really like connected

1222
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 2: woman who's beautiful and she's like, get it on in girls,

1223
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 2: this is going to be great. And then you're like, okay, great,

1224
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 2: well we're going to be cool. It's just like an

1225
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 2: adult woman taking us to this like very fancy island.

1226
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 3: Sounds exciting.

1227
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds exciting until you can't get off of it.

1228
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: And now you're being passed around like trash to highly

1229
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: influential people. And even moreover, those highly influential people are

1230
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: being honey potted allegedly into making big decisions because there's

1231
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: now evidence against them of doing bad things.

1232
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, big, yeah, Now that's the truth.

1233
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 4: Are we feeling prepared to hop from one prison to

1234
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 4: the net and anyone out there, if you want to

1235
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 4: take that.

1236
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 3: Leap with us, give us a call eighty and eight.

1237
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:13,799
Speaker 4: Three one crime because we hey, froggy leap frogging.

1238
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we are. Okay, goodness, we are. We're going over okay.

1239
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 4: Sean Diddy Combs, so his team is denying reports that

1240
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 4: he was caught making homemade alcohol in prison, and this

1241
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 4: is so shortly after his transfer to his new prison,

1242
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 4: and he is at Fort Dix, So of course, Holmes,

1243
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 4: he's fifty six years old. Actually, yeah, he turned fifty

1244
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 4: six on November fourth, Because I share a birthday, did

1245
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 4: he Yes?

1246
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 3: I do do, yes, I do. I forgot.

1247
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 4: I can't believe I forgot to mention it your births.

1248
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 3: I know, like the best thing that happened to Ditty

1249
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 3: was well, I.

1250
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 5: Know for next year, I'm going to get us some

1251
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 5: data oil for your birthday. Yes, in prison, Yes, he

1252
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 5: was having the toilet cocktail and you were having the flu.

1253
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

1254
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 4: So Diddy was initially held at the Metropolitan Detention Center

1255
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 4: in Brooklyn, and we have talked about the fact that

1256
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 4: that place is it is no joke, right, that is

1257
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 4: a prison. That prison allegedly has issues. However, those are

1258
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:41,440
Speaker 4: no longer of Ditty's concerns because now he is transferred

1259
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 4: and he is at the low security Fort Dix Prison

1260
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 4: in New Jersey, allegedly for better access to drug rehabilitation programs.

1261
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 4: The irony here, So it's a.

1262
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 5: Problem if it's true, right, I mean, if this is true,

1263
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 5: this is a problem absolutely, or one would.

1264
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 2: Already clean and sober, which is why he got this

1265
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: beautiful transfer. Yeah, he said he's been so that the

1266
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: acclamation that he was already sober.

1267
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent, right, yes, Stephanie, yeah, yes.

1268
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 4: And the pastor and the you know, Joe, the neighbor.

1269
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 3: That's right.

1270
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 4: So this is a report out of TMZ that Shaunda

1271
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 4: de Combs allegedly drank a homemade alcohol concoction made with

1272
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 4: Brace Yourselves, Fanta sugar and apples that had fermented for

1273
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 4: two weeks. So prison officials reportedly considered moving him to

1274
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 4: a different unit after the incident, but they decided against it,

1275
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,879
Speaker 4: which I'm curious what went into that decision.

1276
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 5: Well, maybe maybe they investigated it and found it wasn't true.

1277
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 5: Maybe his defense lawyers are right, maybe this is just

1278
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 5: a rumor that you know, spread and made it to

1279
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 5: prison officials.

1280
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 3: They investigated it and said, oh no, there's no finding.

1281
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 6: Possibly or it could very well be because they decided

1282
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 6: not to.

1283
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 5: Well, that could be true, but let's look on the

1284
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 5: positive side of things. Let's try let's try some positivity

1285
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 5: in the environment. He's having his appeal. The oral arguments

1286
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 5: are scheduled to happen in April. That's only what six

1287
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 5: months from now. If he's caught drinking in I mean,

1288
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 5: remember the Menendez brothers for parole. They have cell phone

1289
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 5: and they were like, you don't you're not following the rules.

1290
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 5: You have a problem following the rules. So we're not

1291
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 5: going to put you into society where there's a lot

1292
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 5: of rules because you're you don't like to follow them. Well,

1293
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 5: the same could be said if this is true. If

1294
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 5: this is true about Diddy, and he'll lose that appeal,

1295
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 5: this is a big deal.

1296
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 3: But to that end, though, I'm just going to go

1297
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 3: just go with me for one second. Here, is it

1298
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Speaker 3: possible than.

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Speaker 2: In the Menendez In the Menendez case, because if anyone's

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01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 2: playing a lot, the Menendez brothers were up for parole,

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01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 2: it was seeming very positive under a certain jurisdiction, and

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Speaker 2: then that certain jurisdiction that DA lost and was replaced

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Speaker 2: by another. And it seemed as though in the eleventh

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Speaker 2: hour when they had to go for appeal, despite the

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Speaker 2: new information and the new evidence that had been brought forward,

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01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 2: they kind of got hosed on a technicality. They were like, oh,

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01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:27,799
Speaker 2: you have a prison burner phone.

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01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 3: Ps. Everybody has a prison burner phone. I feel like

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01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 3: lots of it. It's a rampant thing.

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Speaker 2: It's also pretty rampant that when you go into a

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 2: new jail or prison sometimes there's like bootleg booze.

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01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 3: Apparently I only hear these stories. This is not, you know,

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 3: an iroutine aficionado thing. Yeah, but Courtney, you've heard this.

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01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 3: We've all heard this.

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01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some sort of a bootleg booze toast that happens.

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01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: And you know that either could be that's kind of

1317
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 2: customary and everybody looks the other way, or if you're

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01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: feel a little like, hey I have a technicality I

1319
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: could catch you on, then they could bring it up right,

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01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: So it's like kind of decide it's it's kind of

1321
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 2: the decision is based on who's who's reading the narrative

1322
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: at that point. The Menendez brothers, we know, got host.

1323
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 2: Whether you believe it or not, I actually think it

1324
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 2: was worked out the way it was supposed to. However,

1325
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 2: the media and everybody give the Menendez a lot of

1326
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 2: false hope that there were guys were going to get

1327
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 2: out because it was like, yeah, those guys are walking

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01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 2: in a minute. No, No, they didn't walk in a

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01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 2: minute at all. Now I feel for them because now

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,440
Speaker 2: they're remember even close.

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01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 5: Stephanie, Remember a year ago we were like they're going

1332
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 5: to be home by Thanksgiving. Remember right now it's coming right.

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01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, this was the big moment because there was

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01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 3: an election happening.

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01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 5: You know.

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01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 2: Geste Gaston Gastone, who was the then mayor of Los

1337
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: Angeles was running for a re election. It was like

1338
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: a hot ticket to say I'm going to get them

1339
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: NDE's brothers free because they had some documentary made about them.

1340
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 2: It seemed interesting and controversial. And you know what, that

1341
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 2: guy lost the election and the new guy was like, yeah,

1342
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 2: I think they had a burner phone. And despite the

1343
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 2: new evidence, they should stay behind bars forever.

1344
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 3: It's a matter of opinion.

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 2: The judge calls it in on the ditty front, it's

1346
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 2: like either much ado about nothing or it's.

1347
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,799
Speaker 3: A big deal. It's a big deal just because minutes

1348
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 3: ago he was touting how sober he was and how

1349
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 3: he's a changed man.

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01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and for you know, for whatever it is worth

1351
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,560
Speaker 4: and body, if you're I like your Sally Sunshine attitudes,

1352
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 4: I'm not trying.

1353
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 3: It's actually yeah, you're very trying. Digging it me too,

1354
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 3: believe it.

1355
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 4: So did he spokesperson has firmly denied the claim, saying

1356
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 4: he has not violated any prison rules and is in

1357
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 4: fact focusing on the sobriety is focusing on the self discipline,

1358
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 4: and a statement that was posted to Diddy's official X

1359
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 4: account labeled the alcohol report quote completely false and once

1360
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 4: again emphasized this, oh so much personal growth and uh.

1361
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 3: You know what what I would love to see did

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01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 3: he do?

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01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 3: Go ahead, body, No, it's okay.

1365
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 5: I was going to say the fact that the spokesperson

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01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 5: denied the claims by saying he quote unquote has not

1367
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 5: violated any prison rules just goes to show how important

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01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 5: that is.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: So when this appeal is being prepared, obviously they're going

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01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 5: to focus on the trial, right, but they're going to

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01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 5: look at his behavior as well. I mean they're gonna

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01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 5: look at his behavior and even when he gets when

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01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 5: before he gets released on parole, they're going to be like, well,

1375
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 5: you know you had who's the first week you were

1376
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 5: in prison?

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01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 3: The first week that's going to be a problem. So

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01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,839
Speaker 3: it's interesting he's going to say I had fermented orange.

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01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: Is they're just he's just going to say it was

1380
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 2: fanta in oranges after a week being fer men?

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01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 3: Did he had no idea?

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01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 2: That's not you know, it's not a Tangaret and Tonic exactly,

1383
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 2: it's not a margarita on the rocks.

1384
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 3: You know, that's what he's going to say.

1385
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: What I would like Diddy to do as a man

1386
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 2: having because we all witnessed him beating his you know

1387
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: then girlfriend to the ground. Take accountability, I don't really

1388
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 2: genuinely take accountability.

1389
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 3: I'm ready to do the time for the crime I committed. Period.

1390
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 3: Yeah I think do you think that? Watch point. I'm

1391
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 3: trying not to say it. I'm trying to let it out,

1392
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 3: but like a man let it out.

1393
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 2: It's like a man who steps up and takes accountability

1394
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: and is like, I'm going to do the time and

1395
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 2: come out better for it. And I'm where I'm supposed

1396
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: to be right now and for the betterment of my family,

1397
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to get it straight. But this guy is

1398
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 2: just another victim every step of the way, well from

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01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 2: your lips to Diddy's ear and everyone else. Keep it

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Speaker 2: here on True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 4: After the commercial, we are going to be hearing from you,

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Speaker 4: and we want much more of that because tomorrow is

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Speaker 4: talk back Tuesdays, So get your topics ready and leave

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Speaker 4: us a talk back on that app True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight and iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 2: true crime all the time, and man, we're talking about

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01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 2: some doozy tonight.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for bearing with us. Jump and join us.

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Speaker 3: Eight eight eight three one crime.

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Speaker 2: If you have anything to discuss in this, you know,

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01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 2: we're talking a lot about trafficking tonight and again missing children, trafficking.

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01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: These are heavy things, and of course Diddy Diddy, what

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01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 2: do we think about this Diddy thing.

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01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 3: Here's the problem that I have with Diddy as well.

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01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 3: I love Diddy. I was a Diddy fan. I was

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01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 3: like a super Diddy fan, and I watched every episode

1417
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 3: of every show he ever did. I loved making the band.

1418
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 3: I watched the band. I was like a fan of

1419
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 3: the Danity Kane.

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01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 2: I even thought like behind the scenes he was giving

1421
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: them tough knocks and they had it come.

1422
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 3: And like I was on board. I was on board

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01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 3: with all of the music producing. I was on board

1424
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 3: with Biggie, I was on board with Ditty. So when

1425
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 3: you hear me get like crazed about what's going on

1426
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 3: with him, it's mostly just because I feel a little fooled.

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01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 3: I for sure would have gone a party at the

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01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 3: White Party, you know, Like it's not because he like

1429
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 3: read wrong, he read awesome right.

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01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 6: Still love his music, and I struggle with that with

1431
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 6: any artists that like I had that issue with, like

1432
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 6: Bill Cosby and Michael Jackson and even no gifts and

1433
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 6: like people who like it's in trouble, but I'm a

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01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 6: fan of their work. Like I still have a hard

1435
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 6: time kind of I don't know, compartmentalizing and saying like, Okay,

1436
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,839
Speaker 6: they're they're talented in this respect, but they've done something awful.

1437
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 6: But I like Ditty's music.

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01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 4: I know it's it is super conflicting. I definitely feel

1439
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 4: that feel that pain for sure, like his entrepreneurship. Oh,

1440
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 4: I did want to circle back, so thank you for

1441
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 4: the talk back about the perfect neighbor, because I remember

1442
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 4: exactly what she said. It's doctor Lorenz. So in fact,

1443
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 4: she was she referred to herself and was not referred

1444
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 4: to But indeed she is not a doctor. She is

1445
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 4: not a like for a fact, she is not a

1446
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 4: licensed medical doctor. She did work as an EMT paramedic

1447
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 4: quite a long time ago, when she was around twenty

1448
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 4: years ago. She also, I believe, worked as a cook

1449
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 4: in some things, and nothing that we've seen illustrates that

1450
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 4: she has any other sort of advanced degree. In fact,

1451
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:52,799
Speaker 4: all evidence points to the contrary.

1452
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 3: Son. That is to answer your question, but I'm so

1453
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 3: glad you asked.

1454
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 5: I'm just so glad that you did that, because that's

1455
01:20:58,439 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 5: I'm hearing.

1456
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 3: What look, how cute your hair is right now, buddy again,

1457
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: in the last like ten seconds, she's had like five

1458
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 3: different hairstyles. Now it's in a cute little upbun. Courtney

1459
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 3: has brought her hair down.

1460
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 2: I wish you could see these girls because they have

1461
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 2: the sickest, most beautiful hair. It's like looking at the

1462
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 2: little mermaids, both of them with the long, luxurious hair.

1463
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 3: With my dream hair. Frankly, I took it down and

1464
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 3: it looks like.

1465
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 5: Love it.

1466
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 3: It's it's like, it's awesome, Tina Turner, though she rest

1467
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 3: in peace, It's like, it looks so good. It's out

1468
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 3: and it looks awesome. It's wild.

1469
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: So speaking of like the Diddy thing too like and

1470
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: getting like roped into something that you know, it's hard

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01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 2: to reconcile, as Tahaw was saying, so Diddy, I'm confused

1472
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 2: by it. I can't get that video out of my

1473
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 2: head at the Intercontinental Hotel where he beat up his

1474
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 2: girlfriend and threw her to the ground like she was

1475
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: trash while he held a towel with one hand and

1476
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 2: proceeded to pay off the security team one hundred grand

1477
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 2: to make that video go away. Just the tip of

1478
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 2: the iceberg. That's what I'm promising you. That was the

1479
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 2: tip of the iceberg. And I don't get the sense

1480
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 2: that did. He's taking a ton of real responsibility. It's

1481
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 2: always victim, victim. It's so bad, it's so hard. If

1482
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: he had been arrested on state charges for those activities,

1483
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,839
Speaker 2: if we put the racketeering and all of that aside,

1484
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 2: if he was actually arrested for beating up the people

1485
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 2: and abusing those in his inner circle, likely the sentence

1486
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 2: would have been roughly around fifty months, right, Is that accurate?

1487
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 3: Do we think probably a little less would maybe a

1488
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 3: little higher. I think, oh you think a little less.

1489
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,560
Speaker 3: I thought it'll maybe a little higher. I think I

1490
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Speaker 3: don't know.

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01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 2: I guess nobody realects women. It's so true, so you know,

1492
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 2: I think it's like it's working out in the wash.

1493
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: I just think, did he need to take a little

1494
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 2: responsibility and own it and be like, I'm going to

1495
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 2: do this.

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Speaker 3: Time, I'm going to come back great, I'm paying attention.

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01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 3: It's always like no, but Stephanie, what do you mean

1498
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 3: he is so great?

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01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 4: Didn't you see that video that was played at trial

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01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 4: that reminded me of every video that the Boys and

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01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 4: Girls Club. It was that aspirational of people like cheering

1502
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 4: in the streets and children hugging him and tears about

1503
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 4: how great he is.

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Speaker 3: I mean that his sentencing.

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01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you bring up another good point, Courtney,

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01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: because again power and influence. You think everybody who's standing trial,

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01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:38,879
Speaker 2: you know, any inmates currently serving time behind bars listening

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01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 2: right now, would agree that nobody gets to play a

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01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 2: little celebration video about their greatness prior to sentencing. It

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01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 2: just doesn't happen. You don't get to just like say, hey,

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01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 2: I know there's like a prosecution and a defense and

1512
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 2: there's closing arguments. I'm not going to take the stand,

1513
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 2: but I've put together a special video and in this

1514
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 2: special video, you're going to see how great I am.

1515
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 2: And that's going to speak for itself. Can you imagine

1516
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 2: the nerve that alone says it all?

1517
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 3: Check my real I.

1518
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 5: Never liked it Diddy, And you know, like I thought

1519
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 5: Diddy had a lot more to do with Tubax murder

1520
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 5: than you know people talk about.

1521
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,600
Speaker 3: I know I was again I didn't. I was like

1522
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 3: pro Diddy in this hole and I was.

1523
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 5: West Coast Coast Gang anyway, Like, I really thought he

1524
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 5: had more to do with tubox murder. And I thought

1525
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 5: like when this trial started that we would learn something like, Okay,

1526
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 5: so keffy D is in Las Vegas and his trial

1527
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:38,959
Speaker 5: begins in February.

1528
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 3: By the way, January, I thought it was Anyuary because

1529
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 3: we covered this night one of this show. Did we

1530
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 3: should look into it? But the first night of True

1531
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 3: Crime tonight we.

1532
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 2: Talked about that because he's the one that was arrested

1533
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 2: because he was like acting crazy at mar A Lago

1534
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 2: and shooting at the ceiling while wrapped in an American flag.

1535
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 3: D was no.

1536
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 5: Kefy D's the guy that was in the car with

1537
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 5: the guy who pulled the trigger on Tupac Kevy d

1538
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 5: Oh forgive me?

1539
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, so that's in February. Yes, it's in February.

1540
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 5: But I thought like we would learn something about the

1541
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 5: murder while this Rico trial was happening, and we would

1542
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 5: get some information. So my whole point in telling all

1543
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 5: this was that I was I wasn't really never a

1544
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 5: Ditty fan.

1545
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 3: Well to that end, though, you're right, because if that's

1546
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 3: happening in February.

1547
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 2: I think in January. If I'm not mistaken, a lesson's

1548
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 2: been moved. The guy, I know what you're talking about.

1549
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 2: He was like he showed up in mar A Lago

1550
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: acting crazy.

1551
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 3: He was like shooting at the ceiling. He was like

1552
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 3: wrapped in an American flag.

1553
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm like not making glib of this, but it was

1554
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 2: a real scene and he basically at that time was arrested,

1555
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 2: brought into custody, and while being questioned by authorities, his spiel,

1556
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 2: which we can all watch because it was recorded, was

1557
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: that he was a former sex slave of ditties, right,

1558
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 2: and that he has all this secret information. And it

1559
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 2: sounded like he was talking about a Martian on the moon,

1560
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 2: only to find out a year later or so that wow,

1561
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 2: this is all tracking. Did he had sex slaves? It

1562
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 2: sounded preposterous. It was like, there's no way this is true.

1563
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: His trial is coming up in January?

1564
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 3: Is that the one that's in January early.

1565
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 4: February, So like there's a lot of Diddy stuff coming up.

1566
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 4: It's the name is Jonathan Audi. I believe it's pronounced odd. Yeah,

1567
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 4: that's right, that's right. And he in fact, he's currently

1568
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 4: incarcerated in Miami, I believe. And yeah, so that that

1569
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 4: is the name of the guy, and it did. It sounded,

1570
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 4: it sounded lunatic, and yet it all.

1571
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 3: Came to bear. So yeah, he he was masked.

1572
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 4: He walked into the National Dooral Miami Hotel and Resort.

1573
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 4: He fired his pistol a bunch of times into the ceiling,

1574
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 4: draped that flag just said, over the front desk, and

1575
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 4: was breaking computers.

1576
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was a whole whole thing.

1577
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 5: Well maybe it was a maybe it was a mental

1578
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 5: breakdown from being a sex well, and he described how

1579
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 5: he had been hired.

1580
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 4: He said this two police officers during interrogation that he

1581
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,879
Speaker 4: had been hired by did he to have sex with Cassie?

1582
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 4: And those claims at the time were met with shock

1583
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 4: and dis and that actually happened. There was testimony that this,

1584
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 4: you know, did he hire these mess freaks?

1585
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 3: Right?

1586
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 4: I mean he gave the detail as Wow, this guy

1587
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 4: really gave up every detail that, yeah, did he sitting

1588
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 4: in a corner masturbating while giving instructions baby.

1589
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 3: All that candle. But all the time at the time

1590
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 3: we were like stop it, okay, but now he will

1591
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 3: having a mental break right, Yeah, he was like delusional

1592
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 3: and by the way, I think he was also like

1593
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 3: wrapped in a straight tracket and tossed away as a

1594
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:11,759
Speaker 3: delusional person.

1595
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 2: Honestly, we all like were like, this guy, this guy's

1596
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 2: been through it. And sure enough, all of those things

1597
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 2: ended up being accurate to some extent, whether it was

1598
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 2: true for him. But you know, we know for a

1599
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 2: fact there was baby oil involved in repeat customers and

1600
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 2: air quotes, sex slaves, and Did he was performative and

1601
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: you know, directing in the corner while holding a videotape.

1602
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 2: We heard about the hotel nights and the freak offs.

1603
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a very real thing. We also

1604
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 2: heard that Did he was basically blackmailing any of the

1605
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 2: people who participated in these tapes, his love passie as well,

1606
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 2: saying that he'll release these tapes if they came forward.

1607
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 2: And he was paying off everybody at every corner to

1608
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 2: make sure that nobody talked and his image was never tarnished.

1609
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 3: That's the problem, and that's the scenario that's you know,

1610
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 3: that's the only piece of this that is similar to

1611
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 3: Epstein and Gilain Maxwell. It's like the idea that you're blackmailing.

1612
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 3: Oh well, how was a person supposed to get connection.

1613
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 3: There's another connection.

1614
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 5: This guy that you're talking about shows up at mar

1615
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 5: A Lago and loses it right well, Epstein recruited.

1616
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 3: From mar A Lago. There's a collection.

1617
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 7: Dun, dun.

1618
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 3: I mean I'm drawing a question. Yeah, I know.

1619
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 2: And by the way, like these are I don't know,

1620
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 2: like it just seems like it's happening in plain sight.

1621
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 2: And these were open secrets that were open secrets that

1622
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 2: nobody seemed to really care about. And I think that

1623
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 2: says more about you know, just like the displacement of

1624
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 2: victims and how easy it is to become one so

1625
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 2: good that we're talking about it because you know, hopefully

1626
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 2: nobody falls for these tricks again. And by the way,

1627
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 2: getting drugged, people being roofed, you know, taking a cocktail

1628
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 2: and suddenly you're feeling woozy and then you wake up

1629
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 2: and you realize.

1630
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 3: Something bad has happened. And oh wait, it's on camera.

1631
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 2: Oh wait, someone's threatening to tell your mom or get

1632
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 2: her fired from her job. These are all the things

1633
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 2: that we're hearing. So what is a person to do

1634
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 2: when at every bend, top dollar will prevent the truth

1635
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 2: from being told. I'm going to pray that Speaker of

1636
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 2: the House Mike Johnson is in fact going to swear

1637
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 2: in our beautiful congresswoman who is going to be the

1638
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,759
Speaker 2: final vote to allow the Epstein files to be released,

1639
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 2: and we will have some clarity and maybe some solutions

1640
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: as to how to prevent this from happening again.

1641
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 5: That is my wish, And I'm going to pray that

1642
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 5: they don't find some legal loophole, which I'm predicting they're

1643
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 5: going to do to prevent the list from being released.

1644
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 5: I'm going to pray that they don't find this loophole.

1645
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 5: So that's what I just I just feel like at

1646
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 5: this know, there's just so many things that are happening

1647
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 5: and that we can see with our own eyes happening,

1648
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 5: and these guys just keep getting away with it, never

1649
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 5: paying the price. Yes, day after day after day after day,

1650
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 5: and now Glee mats will rules and I'm right about it,

1651
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 5: Like she's not paying a price, she's just having a.

1652
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 3: Grand le's getting takeout, she's getting visitors every day she

1653
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 3: has she has her own computer and a puppy, she

1654
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 3: has her own butler, the warden. I know I have

1655
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 3: there's ending. I hate it's printing and faxing and to

1656
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 3: have you know, a warden.

1657
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 5: Oh my god, do you guys remember wanting to do that?

1658
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 5: And I remember getting them in that thermal paper and

1659
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 5: it would roll and roll, And can I tell you something.

1660
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 4: I know we are at the you know, in the

1661
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 4: in the middle or beginning of AI, and we have

1662
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 4: satellites that may be going to Mars and Jupiter and

1663
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 4: all of the above. I literally today cannot wrap my

1664
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 4: brain around the technology of a fax.

1665
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 3: It breaks my mind to think about it that over

1666
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 3: It does seem like there's a yeah, there's like a

1667
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 3: how does the paper connect?

1668
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 4: You know what?

1669
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 7: You were.

1670
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 2: Sad?

1671
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 5: It's the same thing as you and I are looking

1672
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 5: at each other right now.

1673
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 3: Well, I like not to think so hard about that

1674
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 3: either that.

1675
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:29,440
Speaker 5: I just mean like transmitting an image over the airwaves,

1676
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

1677
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 3: Like it's the same, it's the same.

1678
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 4: Time, and it's all mind blowing, it is, my Well,

1679
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 4: listen when that pretty mind blowing, You're you're absolutely right.

1680
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 3: I'm trying to put myself back and it was the worst.

1681
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 5: You're right.

1682
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 3: Remember you had to like put it face down, and

1683
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,759
Speaker 3: like remember the publis because like you had to face

1684
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 3: down and scan stands and never have the actual phone number,

1685
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 3: right I was at.

1686
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,640
Speaker 4: And the cover time and all the news it was

1687
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 4: so I would I would sweating bullets because all the

1688
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 4: machines were different. Sometimes you present nine, sometimes you won.

1689
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 4: And my job as the intern temp was to facts

1690
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 4: and facts and facts. And maybe that's why it's this

1691
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 4: mythical creature because it was.

1692
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 3: So horrible for me. And you had to have the

1693
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 3: cover sheet the facts through. Yeah, that's right, the cover sheet.

1694
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,759
Speaker 3: Did you include the pages? Did that the cover sheet?

1695
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 6: I had that.

1696
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 5: I had a custom facts cover sheet that I made

1697
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 5: myself and it said pages including cover sheet two, three whatever.

1698
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 5: I always included the cover sheet on my pages because

1699
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 5: it was on the receipts that part and I would

1700
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 5: stayble together and give to my boss.

1701
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 3: Got the resits? Yeah, man, do you guys? I want

1702
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 3: to crack.

1703
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 7: But by the way, I buried the lead I made

1704
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:47,719
Speaker 7: the prime rib today.

1705
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 3: This is what I should have started the show. And

1706
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 3: by the way, it was awesome. We're gonna have to

1707
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 3: hear about it tomorrow. But shout out to the greatest

1708
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 3: recipe of all time, Crockpot for Life Prime. We will

1709
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 3: be back tomorrow. We're talk back Tuesday, so if you.

1710
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 2: Have any more, please keep them coming. Thank you for

1711
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 2: joining us tonight. This is true crime tonight. We will

1712
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow, or at least hear you tomorrow.

1713
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 3: Stay safe,