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Speaker 1: It was August twelfth, nineteen sixty seven, when Sheriff Bufford

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Speaker 1: Church and just down the road, he and Pauline were ambushed.

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Speaker 1: Shots rang out in the darkness from the woodline on

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Speaker 1: that lonely road. On Pauline's side, Sheriff Pusser sped off.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to get away from the shooter. He goes

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Speaker 1: Pauline when shockingly, they are ambushed a second time. In

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Speaker 1: this attack, Pauline was killed and Sheriff Pusser suffered a

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Speaker 1: Pusser said he was inside the car when he was shot,

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Speaker 1: so was Pauline. All of this happened about three miles

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Speaker 1: from the Mississippi state line. Last weekend, I got a

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Speaker 1: chance to drive that same route that Sheriff Pusser took

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Speaker 1: from his home to both ambush sites. This was a

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Speaker 1: law enforcement tour that Mike Elam had set up. He

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Speaker 1: had officers from Alabama, Kentucky, Georgia, Tennessee, and Mississippi. He

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Speaker 1: had folks from the Sheriff's office greet us, as well

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Speaker 1: as folks that were there at the ambush site when

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Speaker 1: it happened. They were some of the first people own seen.

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Speaker 1: One of the invited guests that is with us tonight

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Speaker 1: is a dedicated first responder, a critical care paramedic, a

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Speaker 1: trained death investigator. He's an American Board certified death investigator,

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Speaker 1: and he trained the prestigious New York City Death Investigator's course.

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Speaker 1: That course includes advanced technology and blood stained pattern analysis.

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Speaker 1: He was Tennessee's first chief death investigator. He is a

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Speaker 1: forensic investigator for the Forensic Medical Management of Nashville. He

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Speaker 1: currently teaches infant death investigations for Middle Tennessee State University

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Speaker 1: and most recently joined the newly formed cold case team

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Speaker 1: within the Sheriff's Department. He's been married since in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty five, has two adult children and two grandsons. Please

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Speaker 1: help me welcome Danny Couples to his own seven.

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Speaker 2: Hey buddy, Hey Cheryl, how you doing. That's so glad

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Speaker 2: to be on here.

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Speaker 1: I tell you I've been looking so forward to this

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Speaker 1: ever since we met. Right there in person in front

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Speaker 1: of the courthouse in mid Nairy County. And I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you, you know, I didn't know you were going to be there.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know our good buddy, you know, Jason White,

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Speaker 1: he didn't tell he the one of us, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was supposed to be there. But we found each

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Speaker 1: other anyhow, And I am so glad.

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Speaker 2: I am too, so shocked to see you when I

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Speaker 2: you know, I walked around the edge of the bus

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Speaker 2: and there you stood. Uh uh, you know, I can

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Speaker 2: I can tell you the actual of the days before

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Speaker 2: that that happened is really it's really funny in a way.

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Speaker 2: But I was actually in a cold case investigation meeting

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Speaker 2: and my the homicide detective that I worked under, saw

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Speaker 2: that podcast that you and Jason were on, what a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, and he saw that book that

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Speaker 2: you showed about cold cases. He was going on vacation,

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Speaker 2: and he thought, man, I would love to have that

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Speaker 2: on the beach, you know. And uh, and I said, well,

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Speaker 2: I've got a few connections. Let me let me call

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Speaker 2: my buddy Jason and see if he can if he

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Speaker 2: So I called him, he called, I texted him. He

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Speaker 2: got on you know, the sites, and tried to find one.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't find one. He said, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: I'll just get you her email address and you can

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Speaker 2: one that way. And uh, I said, that's that's great. Now. Now,

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Speaker 2: Jason was supposed to meet me here in Tennessee and

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Speaker 2: And I kind of gave up. And I went down

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Speaker 2: edge of the bus and there you stood, is that

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum. No, that's somebody from mcneryka And no, no,

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Speaker 2: it is her. And I was just like blown away.

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Speaker 2: I'm just like an excited puppy or something. You can

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Speaker 2: it's just like, why didn't you tell me she was

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Speaker 2: I thought I did, No, you didn't.

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Speaker 1: It was wonderful. And I'll tell you every single person

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Speaker 2: I absolutely did you have. We had officers from everywhere,

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Speaker 2: supposed to, it would have been fifty or sixty cars

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Speaker 1: And you know, people are divided on this thing, and

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Speaker 1: there's some people that are such Beauford fans that the

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Speaker 1: idea that they have even exhumed Pauline angers them. And

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Speaker 1: something happened that morning to our tour bus. Tell everybody

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Speaker 1: what happened. Even before we got started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I met Dennis Hathcock, who was taking care of

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Speaker 2: the bus that morning, and I believe that bus is his.

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Speaker 2: He got it all marked up. The Truth has no

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Speaker 2: a little early and I met him at a gas station.

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Speaker 2: We talked, chatted for a little bit, and came back

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Speaker 2: be for Pusser. And we were down there talking. This

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Speaker 2: your back window. I was, yeah, right, okay. He said, no, really,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay. So then we could tell he was

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Speaker 2: And I didn't. I never saw it whenever I first

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Speaker 2: it looked pretty cool. And how I missed that hole

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Speaker 1: And you know, people have asked me why exum her

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Speaker 1: after fifty years and when I tell them Hauline never

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Speaker 1: that's one of those things where let's get some answers

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Speaker 1: definitively one way or the other. For example, how many

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Speaker 1: times was she shot? We'll know that. We'll know it.

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Speaker 1: The trajectory, the entrance wound, the exit wound, will know it.

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Speaker 1: And do those things line up with Sheriff Pusser's story.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be yes or no. But there's your

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Speaker 1: having all these questions lingering. There's no reason to do that,

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Speaker 1: right right exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's how you want to know the truth. This is

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Speaker 2: one way to do it, no matter what side you're on.

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Speaker 2: Now you know, as you know, I'm from that area.

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Speaker 2: And my name is Halthcock. That's my mother's name. And

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Speaker 2: you know, my grandmother was murdered there during that time,

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Speaker 2: during this time of Beauford being shared. It had nothing

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Speaker 2: to do with Beauford as far as we know. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: and I've had people come to me, well, you're doing

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Speaker 2: this because you're half cocked name. No, I'm not doing

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Speaker 2: it because of my half cock name. I'm doing it

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Speaker 2: because for justice for the innocent and the innocent or

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Speaker 2: the dead. And that's why I'm doing it.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Because Paul Lane's case is a cold case.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's ever been arrested or convicted for her murder, never have.

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Speaker 2: And it's not too cause we just saw a fifty

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Speaker 2: And again, let the evidence produce the truth. An autopsy

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Speaker 2: will do that, just like you said. It'll show the

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Speaker 2: true dectory, how many times was she really shot, and

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Speaker 2: maybe even other ones that may not even be related.

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Speaker 2: There's so much that an autopsy will show.

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Speaker 1: And that's one thing. If there was a fight on

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Speaker 1: she have a broken pinky? Does she have a broken

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Speaker 1: of things we want to know. Look at her hands,

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Speaker 2: Right? Ha, howodbom? I mean, there's so much I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If you remember Medgar Evers story, exhumed his body after

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Speaker 2: how many years was it it was or sixty And

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Speaker 2: when they opened him up and opened that from that

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think again, if you look through

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Speaker 1: right now. I don't want to wait any longer. There

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Speaker 1: is blood spatter on the hood of the car that

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for me to answer that one? That

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Speaker 2: hood of that car is really Mike Elom called me

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Speaker 2: it's been a while now and asked me to look

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Speaker 2: at all those photographs, and that's what we have as photographs,

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Speaker 2: and that one picture really told Just that one picture

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Speaker 2: tells tells a lot of story of what happened, especially

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Speaker 2: compared to the actual what Beiefford said happened. The blood

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Speaker 2: spatter was on the I don't have the picture in

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Speaker 2: front of me. I'm going by memory. The blood spatter

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Speaker 2: direction that the blood spatter was traveling at a high

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Speaker 2: Because you know as well, I mean, you know blood

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Speaker 2: stained pattern analysis. You've been to those trainings. You know

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Speaker 2: when a droplet of blood strikes an object, that droplet

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Speaker 2: it comes from.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me paint a picture of everybody. The hood

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Speaker 2: He put one foot, he put his left foot down

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Speaker 2: He would be a void spot completely there. And it's not.

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Speaker 2: Either none, not at all, not where someone may have

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Speaker 2: I was talking to him this morning, I said, what

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Speaker 2: You know we're we're not on this side, We're not

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Speaker 1: I was just getting there. Go right on.

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Speaker 2: I've been I've been doing this a long time, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about what the store or anybody's store,

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Speaker 1: I do. But there's one thing I want you to

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Speaker 1: drops of blood on the back passenger's door, and they're

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Speaker 2: Well, you know it didn't occur while he's driving down

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Speaker 2: blood spatter, going back to our blood spatter analysis training,

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I mean, by my expert opinion from

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Speaker 2: that droplet fell. Who it came from, you know, I

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Speaker 1: No question, the car shot up. I think the car

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Speaker 1: shot eleven times. They found fourteen shell cases. You know,

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Speaker 1: fourteen times, that barrel is going to be hot as fire.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna burn his hand, and uh, you know I

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Speaker 2: this up, but Tennessee Bureau of Investigations from what I understand,

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Speaker 2: done a phenomenal job. They I believe they had some

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Speaker 2: They went all out and and you've been a detective

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Speaker 2: on his hand. Maybe that's something I don't know and

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Speaker 2: like if somebody pulled up the side of the long gun,

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Speaker 2: which direction of the projectile, if it did hit pauland

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Speaker 2: if it did even if it hit a pusser like

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Speaker 1: Well, they said they found fourteen spent shellcases that were

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Speaker 2: Thirty caliber, Yeah, that's a that's a big gun.

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Speaker 1: And here's the deal. You're not going to fire that

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Speaker 1: That's gonna give you even a closer shot. If that

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Speaker 2: Do you remember how narrow that road was the other day?

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Speaker 1: That is unchanged now. The right side has houses now,

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Speaker 2: Give, almost giving it a tunnel effect in a cent.

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Speaker 1: Correct, great, great analogy. Yes, it was like a tunnel.

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Speaker 1: One of them drove the tour van for us. Mister

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Speaker 1: Hathcock was there on his motorcycle. He's the one that

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Speaker 2: So all I've got is hearsay. I'll be honest, even

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Speaker 2: And from what Elm has pulled up and what I

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Speaker 1: You know, the Dixie Mafia is a real thing, and

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Speaker 1: they're a loosely organized criminal organization. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: So they're loosely based. Everybody kind of makes money. But

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Speaker 2: Definitely was. And from what I was told. You know,

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Speaker 2: I found this not to be true, but in her

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Speaker 2: believed that. I really do. And that is a real thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was real. But was it real compared

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Speaker 1: Well, have you ever heard of two ambushes in one event?

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Speaker 2: I saw it on a movie once called Walking Talk.

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Speaker 2: That's about it.

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Speaker 1: That's about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the first time I've ever heard of that.

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Speaker 2: You know, it seemed like if you you ambush the

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Speaker 2: in the New York stuff, that you that you read

432
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: about and see all the time. I mean, it doesn't

433
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: it happens, it GE's gone. But this is the first

434
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: time for me, I've ever even heard about it.

435
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: And you know, again, looking at the crime scene photographs,

436
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: you see a holster on the front seat of the car.

437
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: It looks empty. Now it's not a great photograph, it's

438
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: not super clear, but it looks empty. I mean, did

439
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: Sheriff puss or not get one shot off? Where was

440
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: his gun? And if he had a gun in his hand,

441
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: how did he grab the barrel of the you know,

442
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: the other weapon Because you know, again you're talking about

443
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: a weapon if they're accurate, and what they thought they saw,

444
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: whether it's a you know, an AR or an M

445
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: one whatever, they're saying, that's a long barrel rifle and

446
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: you know that, car bean, that's a dead accurate weapon,

447
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: dead accurate, and especially if you're side by side in

448
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: a car. And I just don't know how there wasn't

449
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: more damage to him. And I am not saying he

450
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: was not severely injured. He was, But when they say,

451
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, his whole chin was off, well, I mean

452
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: the photographs show that it wasn't a huge gaping hole, absolutely,

453
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: but I believe at just a few feet it would

454
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: have blown his face off.

455
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl, as a as a crime scene investigator,

456
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: a law enforcement officer, per se was ambushed and they

457
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: left the same wood, would it not as a law

458
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: enforce horseman officer have a weapon and grab it and

459
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: have it out ready for the next ambush site in

460
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: his hand, ready to shoot. That's what I would think,

461
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: That's what I would see.

462
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: That's right. And Buford was left handed. He could have

463
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: shot out that winda while driving with his right hand.

464
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like that was done. And here's the

465
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: other thing. You have a law enforcement officer that is

466
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: ambushed and his wife is killed. Now, this was a

467
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: man that doled out justice, street justice as anybody ever

468
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: in the purest sense. I mean, they just went around

469
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: busting heads in that county. You're telling me nobody was

470
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: ever arrested, nobody was ever brought in and questioned, nobody

471
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 1: was ever beat, not one person. That doesn't sound like

472
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Sheriff Pusser to me. Right there.

473
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: It makes no sense at all to me either, not

474
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 2: at all. Nothing about this whole ambush makes sense. And

475
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: anybody that does think that is what he said, hasn't

476
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: looked at the evidence and hasn't looked at it as

477
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: we have, and maybe hasn't wrote that ambush side as

478
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: we did. But it's right in front of the evidence

479
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: is there. It's not what it was told.

480
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: And you know, Mike Elam in twenty twenty three gave

481
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: TBI a tip about that very weapon that belonged to

482
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: Sheriff Usser. They thought they had enough information to then

483
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty four, exum her Now, I'm going

484
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: to tell you all the results are in. They are

485
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: under seal. But DA Mark Davison hasn't he knows the results.

486
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't know why there is such a delay in

487
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: providing the answer.

488
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: I don't either. I can guess. You know, there has

489
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: been a lot of things going on in that district

490
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: for that district attorney. He has had a lot of

491
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: on his play and this is a very high profile

492
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: case that's going to make a large impact on a

493
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: lot of people and the community itself. And I'm assuming

494
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: that he's making a decision and deciding when the appropriate

495
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: time to release that information. That's my opinion. That's why

496
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: it's taking so long.

497
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: And y'all, here's the bottom line. They still have the car,

498
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: so they can do trajectory today. They can put rods

499
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: in that car right now. And again, if you'vever being six',

500
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: Six pauline was little. Empathy the, injuries they can line them.

501
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 1: Up does this match the? Story does this match the

502
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: injuries to the? Car you, know was the person that's

503
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: shot in front of the car standing or bent? Over

504
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: Was buford tucked down like he says he got in the.

505
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: FLOORBOARD i don't know how a man sixty, six two

506
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: hundred pounds gets in the floorboard of that, car but

507
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: that's what that's what he said. Happened and When pauline

508
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: is shot from what side is she? Shot they, again

509
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: with this, autopsy are going to be able to look

510
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: for broken, bones. Bruising they're gonna check, arms, hands, legs her,

511
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: back the number of bullet, wounds the, trajectory the entry

512
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: and exit, wounds void. Patterns they're going to look for

513
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: all of, it every bit of it.

514
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Right and they'll find. It they'll have an answer and

515
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: they'll you, know they're not. Biased this is a law

516
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: enforcement agency that's done a phenomenal. Job and again that's

517
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: AS edom, said you, know the truth has no, agenda

518
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: and that will be told very.

519
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: Soon and you, know it's interesting because some people have asked, me,

520
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: well why in the world would the sheriff take his wife.

521
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: Along the story that was told was they were leaving

522
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: for vacation later that day to go To. Florida And pauline,

523
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: knew you, know the sheriff well enough to know if

524
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: he got out there at some, dispute that he would

525
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: be out there a couple, hours then go to the

526
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: jail and hang out and socialize for a couple. Hours

527
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to be late leaving For, florida

528
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: so she went with him to keep him on. Task

529
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: whether that's true or, NOT i don't, know but that's

530
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: the way it's been. Told we know she was in the.

531
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: Car we know other people have said they were having,

532
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: trouble that there was luggage, packed but that's because she

533
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: was leaving the. Sheriff, again this is why the autopsy

534
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 1: is so critical to.

535
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: Me it's just the story that we've heard from my

536
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: witnesses is that that's the story of him from them

537
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: going on vacation doesn't add up to witness. Statements witness

538
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: statements say that they were actually separated and she was

539
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: living in a hotel and she was planning an escape per.

540
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: Se And i've been told by people down there that

541
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: she would never ride with him in the first. Place

542
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: people that are my family and friends that's lived there

543
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 2: their whole lives and was there during that, time said

544
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: that she would never ride in the car with. Him

545
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: she was terrified to ride with him.

546
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: Because he drove fast as. Lightning everywhere he.

547
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: Went everywhere he, went he drove. Fast and that's ultimately

548
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: that cost him his.

549
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: Life it, did and that is another. Reason on That

550
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: New Hope, road if you're standing where they say that

551
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: the sniper was, standing it would be, IMPOSSIBLE i, think

552
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: to see that car coming at one hundred miles an

553
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: hour and get the shots off that they.

554
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: Did it can't be. Done there's no way it could.

555
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: Happen, well there's one more thing about. MOTIVE i want

556
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: to go back To Dixie mafia for a, minute Because

557
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: Carl Douglas, WHITE i know him As Towhead. White he

558
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: was active In, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee. Mississippi he was part

559
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: of The Dixie. Mafia, well he had a common law, Wife,

560
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: louise And beauford Killed. Louise now to, me that's. Motive

561
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: you got motive right there to retaliate for your.

562
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: Woman, absolutely and you. Do and you, KNOW i Think

563
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: beeford tried afterwards to lay that On Towhead white as

564
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: being one of the shooters from the, ambush.

565
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: That's, right and never ever made any kind of. Arrest

566
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: And louise's last name was Also. Halfcock so we're back

567
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: to that family. Tree and y'all the reason the state

568
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: line at that time was the perfect playground for. Criminals

569
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: if you're In tennessee and you cross Into, mississippi the

570
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: law had to. Stop they couldn't chase you, anymore wasn't their.

571
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: Jurisdiction so if you had a steal just inside Of,

572
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: tennessee all you had to do was run less than

573
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: a mile and you were a free. Man and so,

574
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: again Where buford wound up made. Sense it's a law

575
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: enforcement you. Know his car being riddled with bullets made.

576
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Sense that looked like an. Ambush the place that had

577
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: happened made. Sense it all made. Sense where it doesn't

578
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: make sense is the, blood the empty, holster the drops

579
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: on the back passenger, side the hood of the car

580
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: and that nobody was ever.

581
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: Charged right tooth other, Things, cheryl that that doesn't make.

582
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: Sense it does not add. Up is time time, frame

583
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: this time from two thirty to forty. Five what happened

584
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: during that? Time you, know it don't even takes ten

585
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: minutes to get from their house where the ambush. Happened

586
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 2: what happened in that two hours and forty five, minutes it's.

587
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: Gone that's nobody can can say what happened during that.

588
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: Yep because even if he did lose consciousness for a little,

589
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: bit that's an awful long.

590
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: Time.

591
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: Yeah regarding the movie With Joe Don baker walking, tall

592
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: there's some things even his deputies have said wasn't. Accurate

593
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: the fact that he walked around with a big. Stick

594
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: they said he didn't do that every.

595
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: Day he'd grabbed a fence posed one. Time and that's

596
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: that's kind of where the movie production took. It, sure

597
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: they thought it would really look good if if a

598
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: law man used a stick instead of a. Gun you,

599
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 2: Know i've had people come up to me and, says

600
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: please please help take him down because he was such

601
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 2: an evil. Man and you, Know i'm just going by

602
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: what my family has told me and friends you know

603
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: from there that grew up, there that not somebody that watched.

604
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: IT i loved the, Movie don't get me. WRONG i

605
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: thought it was a cool movie growing, up and until

606
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: AS i got OLDER i understood that there's nothing like

607
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: what really. Happened but it was a good. Movie it

608
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: brought a lot of people into law.

609
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: Enforcement and you, know he could be a generous. Man

610
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: he believed in second. Chances but from everything That i've

611
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: heard from people in town and his own, deputies don't cross, him.

612
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: Right he was a big. Man he was a big.

613
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: Man, Well, DANNY i will have you back when we

614
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: get the answers and we will break it all. Down

615
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: BUT i just adored meeting you in. Person it just

616
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: made the trip so much more. Incredible and it was already.

617
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: Fantastic BUT i want to mention one other. Thing if

618
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: you don't, mind you invented, something and to, me it

619
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: is one of the most ingenious kind of right there

620
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: in your, Face, like how in the world have we

621
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: not thought about this? Before so anybody that has ever

622
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: had an emergency inside their, house whether it's medical or

623
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: fire or whatever it might, be and you live in

624
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: a situation maybe all the houses are close together and

625
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: kind of looked the, same like a condominium or your

626
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: way out in the middle of, nowhere and they can't

627
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: hardly see your house from the. Road tell them what you, Invented.

628
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: Denny, well actually it was my best friend that actually invented,

629
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: it and he was on a call where it was

630
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: a child in cardiac. Arrest they inputting their information into

631
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: THEIR gps went. Out long story, short they took that

632
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 2: information and ended up on the side of the road

633
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: with no houses or no house, numbers no. Mailboxes they

634
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 2: drove down another couple of, miles found that mailboxes turned

635
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: right up into the driveway with no house numbers to

636
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: find finally find the. House it added about five or

637
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: six minutes to the, call and ultimately the child. Died

638
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: he came to me just like weeks later and he,

639
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: said this is really this cause really haunted. Me i've

640
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: got an idea that would really. Help and he told

641
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: me about the locator. Bulb he, said what if we

642
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: had a bulb that goes that you can replace your

643
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: regular light on the front of your house with this.

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00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,520
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