WEBVTT - Thunderbolts*: Our reactions! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:00.560 Warning. 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:05.800 Today's episode contains spoilers for Marvels, Thunderbolts, Astros. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.840 The asterisk is important, guys, it is important. 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:25.600 It's important. 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:26.440 Hello. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.760 My name is Jason Concepcio and I'm mesday Night, and 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:31.560 welcome back to x Ravis in the podcast where we 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.159 dive deep to do your favorite shows, movies, comics, and 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:34.800 pop culture. 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:36.200 Coming to you from my Ora podcast where. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:41.480 We're bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:42.640 Busters. 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.159 In today's episode, we've been prepping for it. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.879 We've asked who they are. We have gone on a 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:49.120 journey with you, reading. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.800 The first ever issue of their appearance, Thunderbolts number one 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:52.680 from ninety ninety seven. 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:54.600 And now it is here. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:59.280 We are somehow already in May, and the Thunderbolts is 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.320 on our greens. It's the second of our three Marvel movies. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.399 We are getting this year, back to the three a 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.000 year timeline. It hasn't been like that for a while. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.120 We had Captain America, Brave New World. You can listen 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.920 to our episode about that. Now we have Thunderbolts, and 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.759 soon we will be introducing the Fantastic Four, So make 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.200 sure you listen to us talking all about it now 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.960 and how these could connect to the future of the MCU. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:23.759 Let's do it. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:25.880 Okay, let's stick into it. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.080 Rossie, do you want to recap this one for us? 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.280 Yeah, I'll do a little recap. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.000 So I'm going to start with Bob because I think 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.080 that is a major plot line here. 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.600 To talk about the movie, we have to talk about. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.560 Bob, played by Lewis Pullman in a role that was 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.840 definitely originally written for Stephen Yurn. You can like feel 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.319 Stevens kind of shadow over this, though. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:48.280 Lewis does a great job. 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.280 We meet Bob as we meet Elena play by follow 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.040 us p US agent Wyatt Russell and Ghost Tanner John 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.960 Cayman in the bows of Valentina Allegra Dyfontein's Volcano Layer. 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.400 Now, I will say, if you are a comic book fan, 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:02.920 you may have noticed that the. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:07.080 Thunderbolts have a layer like that called Thunderbolt's Mountain, So 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.960 that was a nice nod there. None of life has 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:11.480 not been going well for any of them, and the 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:12.919 three villains are there. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.400 To kill each other. They've been set up by Valentina. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.000 They are rogue operatives and she wants to tie up 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.360 the loose ends also there in a wee rewrite moment, 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.400 sorry rip to that task Master. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:26.560 Task Master is there too. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.080 Ghost shoots her in the head, which sets up the 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.440 darker tone of this movie, and Olga Corilenko's controversial task 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:35.960 Master is no more. 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.720 As the Walker, Ghost. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:44.720 And Yelena have a really, really excellently choreographed fight scene, 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.959 Bob emerges and he seems like a strange little guy. 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:51.960 We love a little guy here. He doesn't really know 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.519 what's going on. But as they escape and Bob decides 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.919 to sacrifice himself to help them, we learn the actual 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.919 Bob is part of a super Soldier serum test subject 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:04.079 project and again. 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.440 They ever learn you. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:11.079 Make it, babe. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.880 So Valentina has been running an illegal, dark ops version 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.440 of the Super Soldier project called the Century Project. As 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.400 you will know, the Century is a combo character. We 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.280 will get into that more as the film goes on. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.160 We also learn how Valentina is like evil. If you 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.720 didn't know, she has been killing test subjects. She's about 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:38.120 to burn these three kind of anti hero villains alive 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.520 to get rid of them, tie tie up all the 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:42.080 loose ense. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:42.839 She does not care. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.760 All she cares about is her political career, which is 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.680 not going well. She's about to be impeached because of 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:54.520 all of her shady behavior and alas the brave sweet Bob, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.840 who tries to sacrifice himself, gets shot and then flies 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.240 up into the sky like Superman because the sentry is 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.600 essentially was introduced as Marbles Superman. He ends up in 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:09.120 the hands of Valentina Alegrity Fonteine, and she, essentially like Mummy, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:14.720 issues him into becoming this like telepathic telekinetic superhero that 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.960 she needs to control the country and its current kind 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:19.400 of superhero power void. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.640 She puts on a blue sweater. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.880 She says, oh, do I look nurturing enough and goes 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:30.160 in and help and basically manipulates him into becoming her superhero. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.400 But as her assistant Mel, who I'm still rooting. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.960 For to be Songbird, I believe it could happen, Mel 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.720 kind of highlights her Hey Bob clearly has some kind 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.080 of mental health issues. If you are someone who suffers 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.200 from manic depression or who has a loved one who 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.920 suffers from manic depression, you will probably recognize that. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.000 In the way that he talks. 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.159 Valentine doesn't care because she's a terrible person, and it 0:04:54.279 --> 0:05:00.160 seems interestingly that Bob has been having these experiences throughout 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:01.719 his life from when he was a child, where he 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.599 will black out and then he doesn't remember what happens 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.560 and bad things happen, which makes me think maybe they're 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.560 hinting that he's a mutant in this universe anyway, Soon 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:15.200 he transforms into the golden haired, golden suited Sentry and 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:20.560 battles his former friends the Thunderbolts, especially ful to Yolna, 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.040 who he connected with on an emotional level, which will 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:23.760 be a key part. 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.680 Of the film. He turns quickly. 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:31.239 After realizing that Valentina is not a good person, into 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.760 the literal negative space, the void, sucking people into his 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.919 darkness and on the streets of New York, leaving nothing 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.680 more than these kind of terrifying, burnt out silhouettes. Great 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.599 visual here and what we saw in the trailer. Now 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.240 that we're caught up and Bob, we can kind of 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.880 join the Thunderbolts in their third act battle to save 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.320 New York by helping him, And it's clear that that 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.440 Elena and Bob connection and the way that the two 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.839 of them emotionally bonded over having depression over their own 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:02.200 trauma over things they had done in the past. It 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.080 makes her feel like she's willing to take a risk, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.640 and as all of New York is sucked into the Void, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.760 she steps into it in order to find Bob. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:14.520 And help him. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:15.760 And I have to say, I think this is one 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.120 of the coolest sequences in the movie where we really 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.200 get a kind of almost Doctor Stranger in the multivers 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:26.480 of Madness wonder vision, kind of surreal moment as Yolena 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.000 fights through the void, which in this version, which is 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:36.640 new for the movie, essentially gives her a maze like 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.719 house where every room is a different thing she is 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.160 ashamed of. It's kind of your nightmare situation. It's rumination 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.840 turned up to eleven. I will say. Aaron just wants 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:47.640 to point out and I know it was controversial that 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.840 I mentioned Multiverse and Madness. Aaron wants to say, this 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.960 movie's better than Multiverse and Madness. Don't get turned on it, 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.760 you know what I want? Yeah, from a movie, but yes, 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.160 this is definitely more grounded as it's happening. Bucky, he 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.960 who is a congressman that didn't you know, succeed. He's 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:04.320 been a congressman for six months. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:05.440 Now he's back. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:10.040 He's helping the Thunderbolts try to fight against the Valentina 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.440 alegra dyfonteinevi All and Elena is inside having to fight 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.080 through these moments. The big one that we see is 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.320 her introduction as a black widow, where she had to 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.320 lure a friend of hers to the woods and be 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.520 shot in the head by an operative. It doesn't seem 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.080 like the friend did anything wrong, it was more of 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.840 a test of her loyalty. And as she finds Bob, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:37.760 he is hidden in an attic where he basically has 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.480 to watch his dad beat his mum and beat him 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.640 kind of over and over again, but he claims that 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.440 is the best room in the house for him, which 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:49.280 tells you a lot about his history and his life. Luckily, 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.160 she finds Bob. She convinces him to leave with her, 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.240 but the Void tries to stop them. When we get 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.440 these really crazy surreal moments to Void wrapping things around 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.880 their neck, we learn you can't die inside of the Void, 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.800 you just live in the pain forever, which is really horrific. 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.720 We get some great Florence Puwiulaana moments here. 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:10.480 She very famously jumps off the tower second highest building 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.320 in the world. That's what opens the movie, and here 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.960 we get to see Florence doing some really outrageous action, 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.800 but ultimately she and Bob cannot save themselves alone. And 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.800 this is where the real thread of the movie comes in, 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.040 which is Red Guardian, who has been helping the Thunderbolts 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.480 and is very much in love with the idea of 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.080 being part of a team, shows up with Bucky Ghost 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.720 and US Agent and the community care that they bring 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.440 into this mean that Bob and Eulna can get out, 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.880 and that is the big kind of theme of this movie, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.720 is the idea that building a community and building a 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.760 group of people who will help you can get you 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.960 out of a very very dark place, in this case 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.600 of literally a dark place because. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:51.839 Of the void. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.520 They escape and luckily everyone including the child we see 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.360 get sucked into the void very early on, is back. 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:00.880 They're out of that moment. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.559 I think, honestly gonna need a lot of therapy if 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.880 you were trapped in that, because it was horrific. And 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:11.000 they see Valentina, they're like, we're taking her in and 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:18.240 they follow her through a construction scaffolding kind of moment. Tricky, tricky, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.719 stop Valentina and you think, oh, finally she's going to 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.640 get what's you know, what she deserves. Us agent wants 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.160 to kill her, understandably, but Bucky's like, we're taking her 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.360 in alas she is much smarter than they give her 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.640 credit for. They walk through, she's assembled the press and 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.960 she has decided to turn this into a pr moment 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.400 where she claims, actually, what me and my assistant Mel 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.960 have been working on is this secret project. And it's 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:46.160 not the Century Project. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.880 Obviously that wasn't me. Who was the Void? Who knows 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.520 that was really bad? But guess what it was? This 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.760 new team who you just all saw save New York. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.000 And what is that team's name? Jason? And why was 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.000 the asterisk there? 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:07.160 This is the new Avengers folks unexpected balanced secret and 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.800 while it takes an heroes by surprise. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.760 Elena instantly realizes that it gives them great leverage, and 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:17.160 she lets Valentina know whispering we own you now as 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.520 the group kind of all silently agreed to go along 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.719 with her little scheme. And we see that they take 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:26.120 up residents in the Avengers Tower, which Valentina bought, and 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:31.360 they are seemingly the city's newest crime fighting team, and 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.199 let's go to an ad break and afterwards we will 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.360 come back and talk about the post credit scenes and 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:41.080 where this leaves the MCU as we go forward into 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:57.560 the rest of twenty twenty five, and we're back. 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.760 We're back to post credits scenes in this movie. The 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:07.599 mid credit scene features a red Guardian in civilian clothes 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.600 in like a Whole Foods and he is standing in 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:16.040 the cereal aisle because he can't wait to press the 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.160 wheaties box featuring the New Avengers on the cover on 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.760 anyone who wanders into the aisles. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.800 This is his dream come true. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.440 It's his dream come true, the American dream folks, It's happened. 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:35.960 And then the final stinger, very interesting features it. We've 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.600 jumped ahead some amount of time fourteen months, I believe 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:45.240 fourteen months. The new Avengers are in their Avengers their 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.720 new Avengers Tower, which is the old Avengers Tower, but 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:53.560 now least and upgraded by the Countess Valentina Dyfontaine, and 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:58.680 they are frustrated and having a conversation because they are 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:04.439 apparently being suited by Sam Wilson and his Avengers group. 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.240 Who have he has copyrighted the name the Avengers, right. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.920 It's under the you know og Avengers LLC. 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.920 And he is trying to clawback the name, the iconography, 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.560 the IP from the New Avengers. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.280 So that's going on. And it also. 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.920 Seems like the public, you know, public opinion is with 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.680 Sam and his other Avengers, the Original Avenger, whatever you 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:34.199 want to call them, and it is only very tenuously 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.680 attached to the New Avengers, if they were ever attached 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:41.240 to all the New Avengers. Throughout the movie, it's played up. 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.199 Their loser status is really played up, as is their 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.360 outsider status and the fact that you know, this is 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:53.280 a group of highly contentious individuals who are only barely 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.199 a team. And I think this is best exemplified by 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.880 you know us agent who is referred to as like 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.160 dime store Captain America in a variety of different ways. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.840 Everyone in America knows that he killed that man with 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:11.400 his shield, Like you're not necessarily going to be turning 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.800 people onto their side with kind of unknown heroes or 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:17.760 failed congressman. 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:18.800 He was careful. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:23.120 Yeah, he was captual week official Captain America for a week, 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:23.720 and that's. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:25.440 A tough look. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.679 And he is a core member of the New Avengers. 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.240 So while that is going on. They get an alert 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.360 satellite alert because there is a some kind of craft 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.199 that is entering orbit. 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:43.080 Yes, and an extra dimensional crop extra dimension coming from 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:44.640 somewhere else, some. 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.280 Other dimension, and they zooming on it and it is 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.240 clearly the Fantastic four rocket ship. 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.040 Now he's seen this, very nice Fantastic for rockship. I 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.280 also want to say they mention multiple times in this 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.600 post credit scene that there's some kind of a space 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.079 crisis going on, which. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:03.319 I think there's a space crisis. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.280 I think my gut would say it's some kind of 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.319 understanding of Galactus being there. But I also think it's 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.319 a smart way to essentially explain away the big questions 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.160 of like where was Dead Evil, where I was Spider Man, 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.960 Like potentially there is a bigger crisis that these other 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.360 heroes were involved with during the couple of days that 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:22.680 this movie well let's talk about it. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.560 So I think what the crisis is is the incursions, 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.120 and I think what's happening we should say that we 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.520 don't know in this Fantastic for a rocket ship whether 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.200 that is the First Family. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:34.240 Powered or unpowered. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.640 Is this the flight that gets them the powers or 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.840 is this coming on the heels of Fantastic for the 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.320 movie or someone else in the ship. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.760 Aaron is, Oh, that's a good point. Aaron said, yeah, 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:46.200 i'd be so. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.480 I think this is them coming off the Galactus has destroyed, 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.880 there's a planet, and they're coming to warn offs for 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:52.600 dooms Day. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.480 Well, I think this is I think the Space crisis 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.480 are the incursions that have kind of been happening already 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.960 throughout m HM, several Marvel movies leading up to this, right, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.000 it's been hinted at and it's been showed like explicitly 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:12.320 in various scenes through multiple dimensions that there are dimensions 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:16.000 are crashing into each other, destroying both dimensions. So I 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.920 think what they're setting up is this is beginning to 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.680 happen in six one six. I think wherever the Fantastic 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.800 Four are, they're not only dealing with Galactus, but the 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.840 fact that these incursions are happening, and I think they 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.560 are traveling. 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.560 To our world basically. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.080 To either trying to basically try and stop these incursions 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.600 they're coming from this other dimensions. I think that's probably 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.840 what this is. The Space crisis is those the fact 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.280 that the multiverse is collapsing into itself. 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.440 What you what are your thoughts. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.560 No, I think that's I think that's a great take. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.080 I definitely I'm like Galactus Superstan. I love Galactus. I 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:54.640 love the comics that he is in. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.200 I love the character. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.320 So to me, I was like, I wonder if they 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.480 are sent saying that Galactus is coming. It seems like 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.240 the New Avengers are not getting all the information. They 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.840 just know that there is some kind of outer space crisis. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.400 So I'm interested, But I think incursions is much more likely, 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:16.000 and I think that the Fantastic Four are probably in 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:16.600 that ship. 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:17.640 Though I do think. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.600 There's a version of it where it's just Franklin or 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:24.000 something like that, you know, because we know Franklin will 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.760 be born during at some point in the movie. It 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.200 looks like and we don't know kind of what the 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.240 timeline of that is going to be compared to where 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:31.600 we are. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.120 It did give Superman, you know. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:35.640 With the kind of idea of like you've got to 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.480 be launched through time to save yourself, launched through space. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.560 But I think at the moment they've done something. 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:45.440 Very clever, which is they've established the Fantastic for exist. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.600 You're going to see them soon and we can decide 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.400 whatever we decide when the Fantastic Four movie comes out, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.120 you know, so it's kind of open ended. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.920 So let's talk about this movie and our reactions to it. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:16:59.800 Your thoughts on Thunderbolt's asterisk. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.360 I was not at all surprised to see all the 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.919 great reviews coming out. I think this is one of 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:10.520 the MCU's most emotionally authentic movies. I think it's that way. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.560 I think it's actually quite rare because if you look back, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:18.919 there are not many Marvel movies that have something really 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.200 big to say, outside of say, Black Panther. I think 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:28.399 that this movie comes in with a really direct and good, 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:34.040 universally relatable story about mental health. I actually think that 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.159 is the thing that is smartest about this version of 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:37.679 the Void. 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:38.680 They did not do. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.000 The mystery that we got from the Rick Veach and 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.200 Jay comics, where the Void nobody. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:45.280 Remembers that it was a. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.160 Much bigger than he has to go and get them, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:50.879 and he's fighting against the Void and you don't know 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.679 they're the same person. Instead, they translate that here to 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.520 how does it feel when you have the worst day 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.359 of your life and you think you're totally alone? And 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.840 I think that's incredibly clever and smart, because everybody has 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.200 felt that way, whether you have severe mental health struggles 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.040 or whether you just have a bad day, You've. 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.080 Felt like I'm alone. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.640 Nobody wants to help me, and I wish there were 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.199 people who would come and get me and say, hey, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.639 it's gonna be okay. Hey we can work together. And 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.880 this movie in that way becomes, like I said, universally relatable. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.159 I think Lewis Pullman is incredible as Bob. My letterboxed 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:30.640 review was basically nice. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:31.120 Son of Bill. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.679 Yeah, it was basically like, hey, I can't change who 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.720 I am. I would die for Bob like I love 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:38.800 this kind of character. I love a character who is 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.840 trying their best. I love a character who has done 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.320 terrible things and wants to make up for them, which 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.359 is something that runs through the through line of this movie. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.080 I think it's incredibly efficiently made. I think it's edited 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.040 really well. I think the action is good. 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.840 There is. They do not have a lot of needle 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:56.760 drops in this movie. 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.800 In fact, the only needle drop is a genuine pony 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.840 song that I fucking love, which is played for a 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.919 good comedic effect, which I thought was very interesting. The 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.760 strongest thing I think about this movie is I think 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:15.240 that the EMCU could learn a lot from this idea of, Hey, 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.159 here are some people who live in this world who 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:22.119 you wouldn't normally get featured in this way. Here's two 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.159 days of them living and trying to survive in this 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.040 world where people have all kinds of superpowers, all kinds 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:33.760 of agendas, and all kinds of kind of abilities to 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.040 bring these terrible and brilliant things to life. I think 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:42.160 this almost works as like a pocket story within the MCU, 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.639 and I think it's intimate and small and interesting, and 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.600 I think that the quick timeline does avoid a lot 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:50.920 of those questions of. 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.040 Like where's dead of or where's Spider Man? 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:54.960 And obviously then you get this kind of idea of 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.679 this bigger space crisis that people are focusing on. I 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.600 think they could do a lot more movies like this. 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.000 I think it it's kind of akin to what they 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.800 were doing with Marvel Studios Presents, you know, which I 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.439 thought with and I feel like this is that on 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.600 a bigger scale. I did really think it was just 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.919 a really great, well made movie, but there's there's a 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:19.240 little something about it where I didn't connect emotionally in 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:20.840 the same way that I do with a lot of 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.480 these movies where I come out and I'm like, I 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.680 have to see it again, Like I have to see 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.679 more of these characters now. That is to say also, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:29.880 I love Florence's Yelena. 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:31.160 I think she's brilliant. 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:35.280 I love that the director understood that if you have 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.480 Florence Pew in your movies, you just have to do 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.000 loads of close ups on her face because she's such 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:42.520 a fantastic face actor. 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.520 And we open with her face and we end with 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:45.040 her face. 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.679