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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for Marvels, Thunderbolts, Astros.

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Speaker 1: The asterisk is important, guys, it is important.

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Speaker 3: It's important.

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Speaker 4: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Concepcio and I'm mesday Night, and

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Speaker 2: welcome back to x Ravis in the podcast where we

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Speaker 2: dive deep to do your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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Speaker 1: Coming to you from my Ora podcast where.

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Speaker 2: We're bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

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Speaker 5: Busters.

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Speaker 6: In today's episode, we've been prepping for it.

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Speaker 5: We've asked who they are. We have gone on a

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Speaker 5: journey with you, reading.

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Speaker 6: The first ever issue of their appearance, Thunderbolts number one

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Speaker 6: from ninety ninety seven.

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Speaker 5: And now it is here.

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Speaker 6: We are somehow already in May, and the Thunderbolts is

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Speaker 6: on our greens. It's the second of our three Marvel movies.

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Speaker 6: We are getting this year, back to the three a

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Speaker 6: year timeline. It hasn't been like that for a while.

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Speaker 6: We had Captain America, Brave New World. You can listen

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Speaker 6: to our episode about that. Now we have Thunderbolts, and

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Speaker 6: soon we will be introducing the Fantastic Four, So make

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Speaker 6: sure you listen to us talking all about it now

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Speaker 6: and how these could connect to the future of the MCU.

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Speaker 5: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's stick into it.

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Speaker 2: Rossie, do you want to recap this one for us?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll do a little recap.

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Speaker 6: So I'm going to start with Bob because I think

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Speaker 6: that is a major plot line here.

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Speaker 5: To talk about the movie, we have to talk about.

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Speaker 6: Bob, played by Lewis Pullman in a role that was

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Speaker 6: definitely originally written for Stephen Yurn. You can like feel

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Speaker 5: Lewis does a great job.

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Speaker 6: We meet Bob as we meet Elena play by follow

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Speaker 6: Cayman in the bows of Valentina Allegra Dyfontein's Volcano Layer.

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Speaker 5: Now, I will say, if you are a comic book fan,

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Speaker 6: Thunderbolts have a layer like that called Thunderbolt's Mountain, So

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Speaker 6: that was a nice nod there. None of life has

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Speaker 5: To kill each other. They've been set up by Valentina.

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Speaker 6: They are rogue operatives and she wants to tie up

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Speaker 6: sorry rip to that task Master.

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Speaker 5: Task Master is there too.

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Speaker 6: Ghost shoots her in the head, which sets up the

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Speaker 5: As the Walker, Ghost.

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Speaker 6: And Yelena have a really, really excellently choreographed fight scene,

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Speaker 6: Bob emerges and he seems like a strange little guy.

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Speaker 6: We love a little guy here. He doesn't really know

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Speaker 1: They ever learn you.

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Speaker 5: Make it, babe.

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Speaker 6: So Valentina has been running an illegal, dark ops version

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Speaker 6: We also learn how Valentina is like evil. If you

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Speaker 6: Valentine doesn't care because she's a terrible person, and it

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Speaker 6: And I have to say, I think this is one

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Speaker 5: Obviously that wasn't me. Who was the Void? Who knows

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Speaker 6: Elena instantly realizes that it gives them great leverage, and

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Speaker 2: We're back to post credits scenes in this movie. The

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Speaker 6: I think it's incredibly efficiently made. I think it's edited

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Speaker 2: him as a character.

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Speaker 1: As a person. I think he's a piece of shit.

446
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Speaker 2: But I do like that he is basically like he

447
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: kind of exists to be, like, how about this piece

448
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: of shit? Like everybody hates him, So that's nice. And

449
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Speaker 2: I thought, same as you, I thought it was really

450
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Speaker 2: well made. I thought it was very fun. I think

451
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: the kind of central emotional generator of can these broken

452
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Speaker 2: people come together and learn to forgive themselves?

453
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Speaker 5: I thought was.

454
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Speaker 2: Really affecting and resonated with me. I understand what you're

455
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Speaker 2: saying about the quote unquote feeling because I think for me,

456
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: you know, like I put on The Infinity War the other.

457
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Speaker 1: Day because like me, these are escape movies.

458
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Speaker 2: For me, I love I love just like falling into

459
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Speaker 2: this world and like watching good Triumph of Evil, and

460
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Speaker 2: so I do think that, like to your point about

461
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Speaker 2: the feeling, it is a different feeling than the kind

462
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Speaker 2: of Marvel movie at its height, you know, of the

463
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Speaker 2: height of the hype, at the height of the success.

464
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Speaker 2: Kind of feeling of this like triumphant, almost like energizing

465
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Speaker 2: theater experience. It's not quite that thing. It's again new

466
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Speaker 2: emotional territory. But I think I.

467
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Speaker 1: I liked it.

468
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Speaker 2: It seems maybe more than some others.

469
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's I think it's a big swing,

470
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Speaker 6: and I think the novel is a point where it

471
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Speaker 6: needs to do big swing.

472
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Speaker 2: And I like and I really resonated with the way

473
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Speaker 2: it addressed. This is a movie that addresses both the

474
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Speaker 2: decline quote in air quotes of the franchise. I would

475
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Speaker 2: call it more of a it's more of a more

476
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: of a real more of a like an adjustment. It

477
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: addresses that kind of post euphoria of the post endgame

478
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Speaker 2: like world on multiple ways, both in the way we

479
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: in the real world react to the franchise and also

480
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 2: how the characters are reacting to this world without heroes.

481
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Speaker 2: I found that to be It's definitely new emotional territory again,

482
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Speaker 2: but I like that kind of like man a commentary

483
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Speaker 2: on we live in a world without heroes, Now, what

484
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: are we going to do? I like the all detail

485
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: of like you have Yolena and like Bucky standing on

486
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: the street in New York City near Grand Central, like

487
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Speaker 2: like where the Avengers.

488
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Speaker 6: Like, Yeah, it's much a recognition of like is this

489
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Speaker 6: a new star in place?

490
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Speaker 2: And people are just walking by them without even looking,

491
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Speaker 2: like this is a world in which now this is normal.

492
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: There is fucking a former Red Room spy and the

493
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Speaker 2: Winter Soldier having an argument in the middle of the street,

494
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Speaker 2: and everybody's like, I gotta go to work, Like I

495
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: get my car out, he destroy it, Like like I liked.

496
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Speaker 2: I liked all of that, so I think I responded

497
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Speaker 2: a little bit more to it than others. But it

498
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: definitely feels like a it's a Connector movie. It's not

499
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Speaker 2: a destination movie. And it's true that Civil War or

500
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Speaker 2: Infinity War, which is more of a Connector movie too.

501
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Speaker 2: I realized that or Endgame was It's it's more of

502
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Speaker 2: a movie to get to the other movies and a

503
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: transitional movie both for these characters and their emotional arcs

504
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Speaker 2: and in the overall plot of the MCU.

505
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Speaker 1: I liked it.

506
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I acknowledge that it's definitely a different feeling.

507
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Speaker 6: But I'm interested because there's like the critical reception has

508
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 6: been really good so far. Obviously it's early on, but

509
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 6: we're still in that nineties. I think of the kind

510
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 6: of big rotten Tomato review score, and also as well, definitely,

511
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Speaker 6: I think it's the highest score that we've had, maybe

512
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Speaker 6: for a MCU movie since pre COVID.

513
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Speaker 5: So I'm interested that let's tap in because me and you.

514
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 6: Are so engrossed in this stuff day to day, whether

515
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 6: it's the comics we read, the way we rewatch these movies.

516
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Speaker 6: Let's tap in a Boo and Arra because I would

517
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Speaker 6: just love to know a little bit about, like how

518
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Speaker 6: they responded to the film. Welcome, I'm on super producer

519
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 6: crew who are now on New Avengers instead of all

520
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 6: Jedi Council. Let's keep our ip straight. Boo, how did

521
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 6: you respond to the Thunderbolts?

522
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Speaker 7: I think, Rosie, you articulated what I basically have not

523
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 7: been able to since I saw it. I thought this

524
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 7: was a well constructed film. I thought this was a

525
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 7: better swing at the plate by Marvel than many of

526
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Speaker 7: their recent offerings. Let's say, you know, like this far

527
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Speaker 7: exceeds some of the recent Marvel films and TV shows. Yeah,

528
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 7: in the last couple of years, certainly since the Infinity Saga.

529
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Speaker 7: But I too walked out of the theater not buzzing.

530
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Speaker 7: Usually I'm walking out of a Marvel movie like buzzing

531
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Speaker 7: and excited to talk to everyone about it and geeking out,

532
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 7: ready to go home and google all the new lore

533
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 7: and characters that were introduced, etc.

534
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Speaker 3: Etc.

535
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Speaker 7: I walked out of this film texting Aaron and going fine,

536
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 7: I had fun, and there wasn't much more of an

537
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 7: emotional response beyond that. But I don't think that takes

538
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 7: away from the film being well constructed, as you said,

539
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 7: being a big swing for Marvel in a different direction,

540
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Speaker 7: which is I think that sort of fresh thinking and

541
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Speaker 7: fresh takes is certainly what the franchise needs and has

542
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 7: needed for a while. So I'm very much in your camp, Rosie.

543
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Speaker 5: Aaron, how did you feel when you got that text?

544
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Speaker 4: I was shocked because I actually really really enjoyed it.

545
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Speaker 4: I have a very different take on us Agent. I

546
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 4: hated him and Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and I

547
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 4: loved him here. It's a very different thing because he's

548
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: not the main character. But it sort of reminded me

549
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: of Thor where the first Thor he's meant to be

550
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 4: dramatic and have all this gravitas, and then they were like,

551
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Speaker 4: we can use him as a comedic character. And I

552
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: thought the use of us Agent as like the dumb

553
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 4: bro was great. Him making the joke about his shield

554
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: being a taco him like they're standing in the desert

555
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 4: and he bends over to get the cat this fruit

556
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: and he's just slicing it up, like giving out life

557
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: advice even though his life sucks. I love that. I

558
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: thought that was all really well done, and I liked

559
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: him a lot, And that is indicative of what this

560
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 4: movie did, which is make you care about characters who

561
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: were not a list before this. Other than Yolena, who

562
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: was really a supporting character in Black Widow and then

563
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: had a great guest spot in Hawkeye.

564
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Speaker 5: She was the lead.

565
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Speaker 4: But everyone else I thought was lifted so much from

566
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Speaker 4: their previous iterations and I really liked that. And I

567
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: thought Centry was great. The sound design of him zapping

568
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: people out was amazing. His look with like just fully

569
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: dark and then these like bright two small bright eyes

570
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: was really powerful. So I thought it was really good.

571
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's it's not Winter Soldier, it's not

572
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 4: Black Panther, but this is something that I was reassured

573
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Speaker 4: to know that Marvel can still make a film and

574
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Speaker 4: make you care about the characters, which I think they

575
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: haven't done in a very long time because they've relied

576
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Speaker 4: on the fact that they think you already care about everybody,

577
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Speaker 4: and here they actually made you care about them, which

578
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Speaker 4: I think was really good.

579
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that you also, I think something else

580
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Speaker 6: that's interesting here that is different to say, your quantumnia,

581
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 6: your multiverse madness. It feels very grounded in reality. They

582
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Speaker 6: have leaned into this idea of we're doing the stunts,

583
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 6: we're doing practical, we're doing it on sets, you know,

584
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Speaker 6: And I think that you really do feel that in

585
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Speaker 6: a way that feels different to all the rest of

586
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Speaker 6: the post Infinity Saga kind of movies where everything.

587
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Speaker 5: Was I mean Black Widow kind of, but that still

588
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 5: felt very CG heavy.

589
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Speaker 6: It has some of the most critique CG in the

590
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Speaker 6: MCU sayme with thor Love and Thunder, So I think

591
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Speaker 6: that's another thing. I'm interested to see how it hits,

592
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 6: because this is what people have.

593
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 5: Been asking for.

594
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Speaker 6: What does it look like when you have a ragtag,

595
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 6: smaller group it's in its own way. It's very much

596
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 6: Marvel doing the Suicide Squad, which I think for me

597
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 6: didn't immediately hit in the same way because I was

598
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 6: one of the people who just really loved the James

599
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 6: Gunn Suicide Squad movie.

600
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Speaker 5: I think it had more of that balance I look for.

601
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Speaker 6: But I did really and I did still think like,

602
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 6: this is a new space for Marvel and they need

603
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 6: to be going into new spaces, and that is that's

604
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 6: that's kind of what we're looking for as Aaron and

605
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Speaker 6: Abou as people who you know, you said, you go

606
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 6: and like you look at the law, you see this

607
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 6: google ability. You want to know about the new characters.

608
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 6: How did the final post credit scene feel for you? Like,

609
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Speaker 6: are you excited for the Fantastic Four? Did it feel

610
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 6: kind of like a surprise To me? It felt a

611
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 6: surprise that it was so soon, but I also forgot

612
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 6: the movie comes out in a few months.

613
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So how did that land for you guys?

614
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Speaker 6: And how did it land for your screening Because my

615
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 6: screening in the Grip it was very quiet.

616
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 5: It was not the old really feeling of Yeah, I

617
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 5: did not have that excited crew. So what was it

618
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 5: like for you guys.

619
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Speaker 7: Well Erin and I were at the same screening together.

620
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Speaker 7: I feel like Aaron, people were buzzing when the Fantastics Worship,

621
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Speaker 7: like once it was clear that this was the Fantastic

622
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Speaker 7: Worship and that's what we're teasing.

623
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Speaker 2: I should add that I think LA screenings, at least

624
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Speaker 2: the ones I've been to recently, it's a lot of industry.

625
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Speaker 5: Yes, it's not how it used to.

626
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 6: It's not the same as how it used to be

627
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 6: where people were like screaming and crying.

628
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Speaker 2: It's not it's like I have a podcast, I read

629
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 2: about this stuff, or you know, like I write for

630
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: Marvel Comics and I got a comp like it's so

631
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Speaker 2: it's a lot of people who are.

632
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Speaker 1: In the industry.

633
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, they did use I feel like we did used

634
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Speaker 6: to have more of a reaction based audience.

635
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Speaker 5: For the MCU.

636
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Speaker 6: But I do think as well in LA, like you say, juston,

637
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 6: a lot of people might be working on these things,

638
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 6: might already know what's happening, might have been leaked. But

639
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 6: I love to hear that it was exciting. Was it

640
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 6: exciting for you guys? Like do you feel like you

641
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 6: want to know what happens next?

642
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 7: I personally do yeah, I actually, uh, Fantastic four I

643
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 7: did not grow up with and I know very little

644
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 7: about actually, and so the fact that I that the

645
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 7: post credits scene got a response out of me is interesting.

646
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 7: I didn't think I didn't think it would, but I

647
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 7: was really excited. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm ready,

648
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 7: I'm ready.

649
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Speaker 4: I think one thing, one thing that Joelle brought up

650
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Speaker 4: earlier was this post credit scene is tied to something

651
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 4: we know is coming out. This isn't Ted Lasso guy

652
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 4: as Hercules that we just may never see again.

653
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Speaker 1: It's a Phase one type of step.

654
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Speaker 5: Thor's coming next. So here is Thor's hammer.

655
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Speaker 4: And then whether or not I am like just an

656
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 4: idiot or what, but you said it, Rosie, so I

657
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Speaker 4: feel good. My first thought was, it's Franklin that it's

658
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Speaker 4: not Fantastic for No, I'm I.

659
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Speaker 6: Think there's a lot of scope for it, and I

660
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Speaker 6: think those are the kind of conversations that we love

661
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 6: to have about this. So I will say, Jason, what

662
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Speaker 6: is your big kind of like where does this leave

663
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 6: the MCU, Like what do you think this sets up

664
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Speaker 6: not just the Fantastic four sequence but also the New Avengers,

665
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Speaker 6: Like do we get a New Avengers movie. Are they

666
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 6: just one of many teams? What do you think this sets.

667
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: I think I think this sets up as we head

668
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: into Doomsday. I think this sets up a continuity where

669
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: there are lots of hero groups, but they're kind of fragmented.

670
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: It feels like a kind of soft adaptation of the

671
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: Dark Rain continuity, in which Norman Osborne took you know,

672
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: at the head of a Avengers, an evil Avengers team

673
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: basically takes control of, you know, the United States Defense establishment,

674
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Speaker 2: but with Valentina in that role, and the New Avengers

675
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: is kind of her dupe. So I think what we're

676
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: going to what we're going to see is a lot

677
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: of infighting as we head into doomsday. Yeah, a kind

678
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: of like larger version of the Act two and three

679
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: of your typical superhero team up movie, in which most

680
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: of the fights are the superheroes fighting each other before

681
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: they decide, oh, we got to fight the bad guy exactly.

682
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that too.

683
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 6: I think that I think this establishes a world where

684
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 6: there's going to be multiple Avengers teams. I think we

685
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 6: will get our Young Avengers, our West Coast Avengers.

686
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 5: Maybe they're the same. We could have a Mighty Avengers.

687
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 6: We could have an a force where it's the all

688
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Speaker 6: female Avengers.

689
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Speaker 5: Do I think all of them will get their own

690
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: movie or their own moment?

691
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 6: No, not particularly, but I do think that we'll get

692
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 6: to see these teams kind of popping up in what

693
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 6: is essentially a power void, and I think all of

694
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 6: them will come in to play with Doomsday, creating you know,

695
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 6: some battle world situation where they're fighting each other, or

696
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 6: where they all have to team up to fight against

697
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 6: Victvan Doom. I think that is a very fun place

698
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 6: to be, very comic bookie place to be.

699
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Speaker 5: Aaron and Abou, how.

700
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Speaker 6: Did the New Avengers kind of title shift hit for you?

701
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 6: Because obviously for me and Jason, we're immediately like, oh shit,

702
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 6: like the Brian bendis new Avengers, Like this is such

703
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 6: a big deal, Like this isn't really the team, but

704
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 6: how could it work?

705
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 5: Did that feel like a huge.

706
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 6: Moment when we're talking about Avengers because we haven't heard

707
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 6: that phrase actually used again since the original team?

708
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 5: Like how did that feel for you? Guys?

709
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 7: Yeah?

710
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 4: I really liked it, And in a way, I kind

711
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 4: of think if if I had a friend, hypothetically who

712
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 4: had not watched anything since Endgame and was like, oh,

713
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 4: I heard there's there's gonna be some more Avengers movies,

714
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 4: Like this is a great place to start, Like, come

715
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: in here, people, you missed it such stuff, you could

716
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: just jump in here.

717
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

718
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Speaker 4: So I don't know if they've marketed it that way enough,

719
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: because I think that there's obviously been fatigue and and

720
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: things have not gone as well with some of the

721
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 4: previous movies. So if someone didn't enjoy those or didn't

722
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 4: see them or saw how bad stuff was getting reviewed,

723
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 4: this would be a great one for them to watch

724
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Speaker 4: and be like, oh yeah, I like a good superhero

725
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 4: action movie. This one's a little different, like you were saying.

726
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: It's not a third act cgi punch fest like it is.

727
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 4: It is like in a good way, the power of

728
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 4: friendship wins the day, and this would be a great thing. Yeah,

729
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 4: this would be great. Watch this, then you'll get excited

730
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Speaker 4: for Fantastic four or go see that and then go watch.

731
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Speaker 5: I like that take.

732
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Speaker 6: I think you're onto something. Boo, how did how did

733
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Speaker 6: the New Avengers sing hit for you?

734
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Speaker 5: Were you like okay, I want to know more about

735
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 5: this team, or like that's random.

736
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Speaker 7: No, I really liked it as well. That that was

737
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 7: one of the things where I was googling New Avengers

738
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 7: on my way out of the theater. You know that

739
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 7: that was an example of a New Lord tidbit or

740
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 7: a comic series that I have not read that I

741
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 7: now want to because this movie has introduced it to me.

742
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 7: Although I will say I wasn't surprised by the reveal,

743
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 7: and I was like, how do I know this? Did

744
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 7: I read a spoiler or a leak somewhere?

745
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 6: They actually they actually kept this spoiler out of it.

746
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 5: But I do believe me and Jason, I think specifically,

747
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 5: and I think we can read right right now.

748
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 6: Because we I think we were saying New Avengers or

749
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 6: Dark Avengers were kind of all take And I will

750
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 6: say something I thought they did really well. I thought

751
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 6: that moment in particular, showcased how clever Valentina is and

752
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 6: how she's kind of this like, she's kind of this

753
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 6: mirror Tony Stock. It's like, what if Tony Stock was

754
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 6: just always scheming? Well, if he actually like hadn't changed

755
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 6: for the better and was instead always manipulating and skiming.

756
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 4: So they did a great job of mirroring a lot

757
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: of previous Marvel things. So Tony announces he's iron Man

758
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 4: off the Cup at a press conference. Valentina has planned

759
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: and plotted this out similarly like the fight that is

760
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: happening right there by Grand Central in Avengers Tower is

761
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: Avengers One, Like, there's so much in it that I

762
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 4: thought they did these nice callbacks to which also you

763
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: know you're gonna get compared to it, but I thought

764
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: they stood up pretty well well.

765
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 7: I thought I thought one of the most beautiful shots

766
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 7: in the movie was right at the start where Elena

767
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 7: gets her own hallway scene much like your sister yeah away.

768
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 7: I thought that was a really beautiful tracking shot from above.

769
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Speaker 5: You also as well great because it's very old boy.

770
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 5: It's very referential to Dad Evil. It's very much about

771
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 5: how getting her and scene and we kind of see

772
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 5: in the shadows, faw.

773
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 6: In the shadows and we get to see how far

774
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 6: the MCU has come. Because that is a very incredible scene.

775
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 6: But it's also very notorious because it's clas like giant

776
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 6: big boob like the boobs a jiggle in the wig

777
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 6: is wigging like it's very much like she's so sexy

778
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 6: she could kill you but wouldn't you want her to.

779
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 6: That was the original kind of introduction of Black Widow.

780
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 6: This shows Elena just.

781
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 5: Does a force to be reckoned with.

782
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Speaker 2: I will be two things that I want to call out. One,

783
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Speaker 2: I will be interested to see where they go with

784
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: Valentina from here. She's like, it's clear that the idea

785
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: is like combine the worst parts of Stark and nick

786
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: Fury into an even more secretive and a moral kind

787
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: of spymaster behind the heroes.

788
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Eager to see if.

789
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: She steps meaningfully either way into the good guy or

790
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 2: bad guy mode going forward.

791
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: That will be interesting to see and task master.

792
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wish that was a little bit more

793
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: send off. I think Elena does a lot in honoring

794
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: her after her ignominious and very quick death at the

795
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: hands of ghosts, but I do wish there would have

796
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: been a little bit more like that's one of the

797
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 2: more tragic characters in the in the MCU, definitely, Black

798
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Speaker 2: Widow is definitely the lead in movie to this movie.

799
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Speaker 2: Like that's if you were going to watch one thing

800
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: heading into this and you didn't want it to be

801
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Speaker 2: Falcon in the Winter.

802
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: Which is fair, but it should be Black Widow.

803
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Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, that's the homework movie. I want. I did

804
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 7: want to ask the group, this is a very funny movie,

805
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 7: what was what was your most laugh aulloud moment? Because

806
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 7: for me, it was when Bucky gave his business card assist.

807
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: Trash.

808
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 6: That was. I will say the comedy was really good.

809
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 6: I definitely, I definitely liked that aspect of it. I

810
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 6: think for me it was like I was not a

811
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 6: big Red Guardian fan.

812
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 5: In Black Widow.

813
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 6: I felt like it was like too much of a

814
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 6: kind of outrageous sort of like Tropy version. But I

815
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 6: felt like in this they really grounded him. Harbor did

816
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 6: some great work, and I think I just like the

817
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 6: kind of silliness of how into making the team he was.

818
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 6: And I think my biggest laugh outline scene, because this

819
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 6: is just the classic me kind of thing, is like

820
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 6: at the end in the post credit scene where they

821
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 6: reveal that you know they're being sued by Sam and

822
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 6: he's like, he's he's gonna make it Avengers with a Z.

823
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: I was dying.

824
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 6: I have often talked about how I want to make

825
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 6: like an Avengers team that has a Z at the end,

826
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 6: and that would be my pitch to me.

827
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Speaker 5: He should have just gotten I think I think the Bootleg.

828
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 6: I think those kind of jokes where it's understanding the

829
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 6: fandom and income versation with all of us who watch it.

830
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 6: I think that's why the mc U succeeds best. And

831
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Speaker 6: I thought that stuff was really funny. I also just

832
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 6: loved seeing Ghost and Yolena gang up on us agent.

833
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 5: It was so natural and.

834
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 6: So and they had a lot of really great, witty

835
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 6: kind of buns.

836
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 4: I thought that all climbing up the tower the Elevator show, Yeah.

837
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: And so that was gonna be mine. But I'll call

838
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: it another one. When they're in the panel van heading

839
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: to New Avengers Tower and they're talking about their weapons

840
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: and Lana is like, yeah, I got these stingers. I'm

841
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: using these black little stingers.

842
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: And then you just like I got the forty five.

843
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: Oh wow, long.

844
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 5: So roasting them that was great.

845
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: And then you know what in the Stigger, when they're

846
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 2: all coming in from what I guess is a mission

847
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: or something, and they're like, you know, space crisis would

848
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: have been eight if we could have had Century to like,

849
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: how are we gonna like go into space?

850
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: Like?

851
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: And then Red Guardian is like, well, why can't Century

852
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: ever come with us?

853
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: And then they're like, how would we go with it?

854
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 5: We would all yes, yeah, and then and then.

855
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: Bob has that great return where he's like, higas I

856
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: thought we talked about this, like I can't be the

857
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: century without the other guy. The other guy coming out

858
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: like that would so like, but I can stay here,

859
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: and like you.

860
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Speaker 6: And I did the dishes, I have to say, like

861
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Speaker 6: Lewis Pullman, the man that you are, because that ship

862
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 6: was written for Steve and you had and I could

863
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 6: hear every single line delivery, but you made it your own.

864
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 6: And that was another of my favorite moments. Jathon as

865
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 6: the new Avengers, like Hulk the Titan who you can't

866
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 6: really trust, like in a pinch, I think that.

867
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Speaker 1: I think that's interesting.

868
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 5: Territory.

869
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Speaker 2: Well, it's been wonderful to talk to you guys about this.

870
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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, we are the Avengers with the Z

871
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 5: that's this, this we are. I think we got to

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Speaker 5: put Tuesday jam Wow, that's us, guys.

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Speaker 1: In the next few episodes of Extra Vision.

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Speaker 2: On Tuesday, we have our reaction to the Last of

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Speaker 2: Us episode four, and we returned to the world of

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Speaker 2: and Or with our recap on Wednesday, and our and

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00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: Or roundtable for episode seven eight nine of season two

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00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: on Friday.

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Speaker 1: That's It for this episode.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Spci and Rosie

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Speaker 2: Night and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 6: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 6: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.

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Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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Speaker 6: Special thanks to Saul Rubin, Christ Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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