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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff to blow your mind. Production of my

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Speaker 1: heart radio. Hey, welcome to weird house cinema. This is

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Speaker 1: rob lamb and this is Joe McCormick, and today we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the nine space adventure saga, the

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Speaker 1: last starfighter, a movie that I myself had on an

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Speaker 1: unofficial VHS tape as a child. I think it could

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Speaker 1: have been taped off TV or maybe it was one

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Speaker 1: of those analog pirated movies we had where, like you know,

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Speaker 1: you do the double VCR methods. Somebody, somebody must have

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Speaker 1: had a double VCR in my parents neighborhood because we

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Speaker 1: had a number of those that I think had originally

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Speaker 1: been rentals from turtles video and somebody did what they

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Speaker 1: were not supposed to and made a copy. But anyway, so,

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Speaker 1: wherever it came from, I had this vhs tape. So

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Speaker 1: I watched this movie uh, several times when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid and I had not seen it since I

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Speaker 1: was probably ten years old and I just recently started

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Speaker 1: thinking about it for some reason, looking at all of

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Speaker 1: the great monsters in it. It's got some very gross

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Speaker 1: and slimy alien designs, including one species of alien that

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Speaker 1: I realized I had always thought of its head looking

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Speaker 1: like a VW beetle. Do you know that the hit

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Speaker 1: beasts that I'm talking about Rob yes, oh goodness, what

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Speaker 1: are they called? Um Zan Zan's, UH ZAN DOS as

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Speaker 1: have San Dosans, San Do Zans, that's it right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Zano Zans. It sounds like a a fun European Candy,

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Speaker 1: you know, that you wouldn't find out about until you

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Speaker 1: you'd go on a school trip or something. or it's

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Speaker 1: like a local restaurant that has that has like low

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Speaker 1: hanging lights over the tables with like fringe around them. Yeah, Um, but, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know the one you're talking about. Very very weird,

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Speaker 1: very very very cool, practical alien makeup in that. But

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Speaker 1: the head is shaped like a VW beetle. It's like

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Speaker 1: the Dome on top, and then the eyes are down

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Speaker 1: on the sides where the headlights are on the car. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of great aliens in this, this one, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's the main thing I remembered from

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Speaker 1: this film. Um, I don't remember where or how I

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Speaker 1: seen it since I was around ten either, and I

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Speaker 1: remember digging the video Gamer gets alien abducted in a

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Speaker 1: good way plot. I remember liking that. You know, this's

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Speaker 1: just sort of your basic magical it's call to adventure,

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Speaker 1: I remember digging the creatures, digging some of the creatures

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Speaker 1: in a few dramatic moments. Yeah, so this movie has

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Speaker 1: its ups and downs, but overall, I'd say, on rewatching,

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Speaker 1: I think it holds up pretty well. It is clearly derivative,

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Speaker 1: as many critics pointed out it. There are like you

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Speaker 1: can see the pre existing elements from other movies that

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Speaker 1: fed into this. It's kind of like, okay, what if

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Speaker 1: you had star wars? But Luke Skywalker wasn't on tattooing,

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Speaker 1: in fact a cozy Spielbergie in trailer park full of

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Speaker 1: down home spielbergie and whimsy and and and and cute,

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Speaker 1: But much like Luke Skywalker, he still gazed off into

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Speaker 1: the distance, yearning for so much more in life, yearning

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Speaker 1: to get away and see the world. And what if,

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Speaker 1: from the music man, but from space, literally, a lovable

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Speaker 1: con artist alien with a rocket car? And what if,

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Speaker 1: instead of the force, there was a sentient video game?

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Speaker 1: And what if, instead of the other companions, you know,

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Speaker 1: can imagine it going down just like that, and then

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Speaker 1: think we could get him for this? And they're like yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, I think it actually makes for

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Speaker 1: differ on this next point. I would say, actually, if

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Speaker 1: movies in the class of Tron and other films that

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Speaker 1: maybe they're just flying like those, those aren't as bothers them. Uh.

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Speaker 1: but I kept finding myself thinking that, okay, these effects

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Speaker 1: They're better than bad practical space effects, but they're nowhere

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Speaker 1: So I would agree with all of that. I was

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Speaker 1: reading about this one and in one of Michael Weldon's

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Speaker 1: come out more than, I think, a few years after

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Speaker 1: does a lot in these very short reviews. But I

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Speaker 1: wonder if that was telling. It's kind of like at

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Speaker 1: a very good comparison. I've noticed that when you read reviews,

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Speaker 1: this in it as well, like what is simulation, what

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Speaker 1: he does the exact same thing in this movie. He's like,

425
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: you know, uh, he's like you know when when Alex

426
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: is like Hey, where are you taking me in this space?

427
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: Car Uh Centauri says say, are you the kind of

428
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: kid who reads the last page of a mystery. First, no,

429
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: that's not you. It's just wonderful. Yeah, he's so good. Alright,

430
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: and moving on to some of the other actors here. Um,

431
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: some of these may not be in order of importance. Well,

432
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: we'll discuss here. But, uh, we have enduring. Is Am

433
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: I saying that correctly? Enduring, he's the don't he's the

434
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: King of the Rylands. He's the main Rylands, the right. Okay,

435
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: the RYLANDS. To back up. The rylands are an alien

436
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: species in the Greater Universe of this film. That looks

437
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: like Alien Larry David's. That all, even the females look

438
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: like Larry David's. Then all got the heads. Yeah, like

439
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: imagine Larry David was like a like a slightly swollen

440
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: outer limitsy Um head. And that's that's the Rylands. They

441
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: look like a cross between Larry David and a little

442
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: bit of Exeter from this islander Earth. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

443
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: a little bit of Tom Noonan as well, maybe in

444
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 1: there one fourth Tom noon. Anyway, that this this this character,

445
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: that the king of the Rylands. We meet the bearded

446
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: Ryland played by K E cooter, two thousand and three

447
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: TV actor and a later voice actor who is just

448
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: in tons of stuff. So titles like green acres, Petticoat junction, uh,

449
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: the x files, Baywatch Nights, a movie called friend or

450
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: I think this is a movie, Frankenstein, General Hospital, a

451
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, a lot of voice acting. Later on

452
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: he's the Ryland leader, but he's also the father of

453
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: our enemy Emperor Zour. So it basically turns out that interplanetary,

454
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: interstellar politics, it's also one big family drama that Alex

455
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: is being sucked into here, and there's a lot we

456
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: never find out about the the alien politics. We just

457
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: know that, uh, yeah, he's he's the head of the

458
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: Rylands and his son's Zur, is a Ryland but has

459
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: betrayed the rylands and is stealing imperial secrets of the

460
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: Rylands to go work with the code in Armada to

461
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: destroy the Rylands. Is that right? That's right. And the

462
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: code ends in this are. They're essentially like the Klingons

463
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: of this world. They're the warlike, you know, space arc species,

464
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: and they look really cool. They have this they're kind

465
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: of like barky space orcs that have really cool like

466
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: red and silver and black uniforms, and the main one

467
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: is this character named Lord Krill and it's played by

468
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: this character is played by Dan Mason, and this is

469
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: the one that has a space monocle. This is the

470
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: thing that that's stuck in my memory the most, that

471
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: I remember most from my childhood and watching, watching this,

472
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: is that he tends to punctuate things that he says

473
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: by having his monocle like Servo into place over his eye, which,

474
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: as a child, I thought that was the coolest thing ever.

475
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: This is like, like this made the film memorable, this

476
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: one space monocle. Yeah, I know exactly the moment you've

477
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: got in mind. We can talk about that later. Yeah, oh,

478
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: but okay. So we got some aliens with with the skulls.

479
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: Those are the Rylands. You've got the other aliens. You

480
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: want to go destroy the Rylands. They look kind of

481
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: like human trees. And then you've got Grigg, who is

482
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: griggs kind of the heart and soul of the movie,

483
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: and he's he's a lovable space lizard who just wants

484
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: to fight for righteousness in space. Yes, and this is,

485
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: of course, is Dan o'horley, who lived nineteen anything through

486
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. Probably not going to go into

487
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: as much detail here about him. We talked about him

488
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: a good debt in our Halloween three season of the

489
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: witch episode last year, so I guess go back and

490
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: listen to that if you want a deeper dive on

491
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: Dano early. But this is the old man himself. Um,

492
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: you know he had a robust acting career prior to

493
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. But he's he's, I think, best remembered

494
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: by many of yours today as playing these villainous white

495
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: haired men, uh in suits, often so connal cochrane and

496
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: Halloween three season of the witch, the old man in

497
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: the first two robocop films, Andrew Packard on twin peaks

498
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: just really great at playing those kind of villainous roles.

499
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: So and to a certain extent it feels weird, it

500
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: feels maybe wrong that in this film we cover him

501
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: up with turtle makeup, basically put him in a turtle

502
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: costume and make him a space turtle and Um and

503
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: and yet he's really good in this role, like he's funny,

504
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: he's he's Um and the suit does look good on.

505
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: And one thing I kept noticing is that his eyes

506
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: are very kind of kind of almost kind of bloodshot

507
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: looked to them, which kind of adds to the effect,

508
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 1: like it feels. It makes the suit feel more organic somehow. Uh,

509
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: I'm not not really sure why, but I know, I

510
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. You can kind of see

511
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: like the red around his yeah, he's also got a

512
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: vibe that I recognized from other especially movies aimed at

513
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: kids from the eighties, where there's a character who's kind

514
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: of Oh in some sense, kind of almost stuffy, kind

515
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: of high Falutin like he you know, he's about space

516
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: and we must fight for the for the Rylands and

517
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: all that, but then also he will crack a joke

518
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: and go oh, and I don't know if I'm articulating

519
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: this right, but there's like a thing like that. There

520
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: are characters like that. It's the kind of role that

521
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: led me to expect a final scene back on earth where,

522
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, after they've defeated the bad guys, Grig is

523
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: hanging out with all of Alex's friends by the Ake

524
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: and he's wearing sunglasses, dancing to Kenny loggins and maybe

525
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: drinking a miller genuine draft, and then he looks into

526
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: the camera and says surfs up. It would totally be

527
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: in keeping with the film. I mean, because we do

528
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: get some a scene that implies that he might date

529
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: some grandma's later on, and and we do. And we

530
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: also have the scenery shows his family photos to Alex,

531
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: which is just which is that, which is intentionally hilarious,

532
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: like there's no other way. Um. So yeah, it's it's

533
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: it's a fun role, I think. I think the the

534
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: the only thing that might, in retrospect, take away from

535
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: it at all would be the fact that the following year,

536
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: in the film enemy mine, you have Louis Gossa Jr

537
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: giving a stellar performance in another sort of reptilian human

538
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: cost him. I made the same connection. These are two

539
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: big movies in a row with the human hero acting

540
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: opposite a great character actor who has been put into

541
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: scaly lizard makeup. Ultimately, you know, they're different performances and different,

542
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: different vibes. But Um yeah, when when you think of

543
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: great performances and a lizard man costume that has no

544
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: hair and so forth, uh, yeah, you're gonna think of

545
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: enemy mine, or I do anyway. I don't know what

546
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: the public the public is larger public opinion is on

547
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: this sort of thing, but for my money, Lewis CASS

548
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: JR Great Lizard name performance. Okay, so that's our that's

549
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: our heroic friend, our our sort of, uh buddy cop character.

550
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: Almost too well, they're not cops. I don't know why.

551
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: So that just the buddy, you know. He's the sidekick to, uh,

552
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: to Alex, though I don't know if he's the side kick.

553
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: Maybe Alex is the sidekick because he's much more experienced

554
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: than Alex. I don't know. Anyway, they're gonna fight zoor

555
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: and the code and or motor together. So we got

556
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: to meet our bad guys. Who who is zoor? Zoor

557
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: is just, I would say, not only chewing the scenery,

558
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: as Zour is like, oh, much like the brundle fly,

559
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: in Um, in the fly. He is vomiting up digestive

560
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: enzymes on the scenery and then slurping them up. Yeah,

561
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: he is like acting Um to to the limits of

562
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: of the our threshold, to take it U Um. And

563
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean this is a very intentional choice and I

564
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: think probably this is the right choice. You have a

565
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: villain of a space movie like this. Yeah, let them

566
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: tear it out light like this. Um So zero is

567
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: played by Norman snowborn nineteen fifty. Hey Juilliard train, Arkansas

568
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: born character actor, probably best known for this role, but

569
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: he's been a ton of other stuff as well. He's

570
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: actually in Michael Mann's six adaptation of Richard Harris's Red Dragon,

571
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: man hunter. He plays FBI agent Springfield, who I do

572
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: not remember, Um, but I included a picture here for you, Joe,

573
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: in case you've seen man hunter more recently than I have.

574
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: I have. I mean I've seen manhunter, it's been a

575
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: long time. I don't remember who this character is. I

576
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: remember liking it, as I generally like Michael Mann. Yeah,

577
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean it also has the the Atlantic connection of

578
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: the insane asylum being the High Museum of art. So, yeah,

579
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: that's right, that's where that's where Brian Cox, as Hannibal Lecter,

580
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: is stored. Yeah, Snow was in some other pictures as well.

581
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: He was in the nineteen seventy nine British period piece

582
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: titled The Europeans, and he appeared as the Klingon touring

583
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: in Star Trek the next generation, an episode called Rightful Air.

584
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: From I can imagine he would be typecast as villains.

585
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: He is just the most sniveling, sneering. Yeah, I will

586
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: be evil. Yeah, yeah, and even like the IT looks

587
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: like even in Manhunter, like he's perfect as just like

588
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: a suited FBI kind of dude, you know, just kind

589
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: of coldly standing in the background, like even if he's

590
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: not turning up the notch on the the acting there

591
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: now just a few more acting notes because it's just

592
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: there's also some just people with very small rolls worth noting.

593
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: Will Wheaton is apparently in this film, though I don't

594
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: think I noticed him. He plays Lewis's friend. Lewis is

595
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: what Alex's brother, a child who is obsessed with with

596
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: playboy magazines. Oh yeah, he has a whole stash of them.

597
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: He has his strategic reserve of playboys under his bed. Yep,

598
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: but that's not will wheaton. That will wheaton is supposed

599
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: to be his friend, but I don't think I saw

600
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: him in the movie. I don't like say maybe he's

601
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: just barely in it. We also have a hit shaker

602
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: character that shows up. That spoiler turns out to be

603
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: a Zando Zan bownty hunter played by Marc Alamo. Uh.

604
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: This is gold ducket from Star Trek Deep Space Nine.

605
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: This is Everett from total recall and, of course, Roger

606
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: from arena, which one. I forget who roguar was. Rogar

607
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: is the like the main evil dude who's Um, who's

608
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: running the prize fights between the aliens. I see, okay, yeah,

609
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: and UH, yeah, he's got he's got kind of a

610
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: long neck. Thus he has the UH on deep space nine.

611
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: They really accentuated this well as he is what a Cardassian?

612
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: Is it Cardassian or Kardassian? Anyway? And this he's a

613
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: Zando Zan bownty hunter. He initially shows up with a mustache, right,

614
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: so he looks human at first, but then he this

615
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: scene didn't make a lot of sense to me. He

616
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: looks human. He's, you know, on the hunt for for

617
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: Alex on earth and he walks past the starfighter video

618
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: game cabinet and it like blasts energy out into his

619
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: face that hides his human disguise and uncovers him as

620
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: a Xando Zan bounty hunter with the with the V

621
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: W beatlehead. Yeah, yeah, that feature of the video game

622
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: cabinet was not covered earlier in the film. Yeah, alright,

623
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: a few few others. These are both uncredited roles, but

624
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: Bruce Abbott is in this, I guess, playing one of

625
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: those teenagers. Bruce Abbott was born Dr Dan Kine from

626
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: the re animator movies. Oh, he's one of Alex's really

627
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 1: mean friends. Okay, that makes sense. Okay. Also, Suzanne Snyder

628
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: is in she plays it cheerly. No, wait, after I

629
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: said that, I saw that you included a note about

630
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: him and it says he's a Ryland sergeant. So I

631
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: gotta be totally wrong about that. Oh, you know, I

632
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: read my own note here and I thought that was

633
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: his name. Ryland sergeant was clearly one of the teenagers,

634
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: that he would be one of. He would have the

635
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: he would be one of the, uh, the aliens with

636
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: the hair on the sides of their heads. Yeah, okay.

637
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: We also have Suzanne Snyder in this, playing an uncredited

638
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: cheerleader role. UH, born nineteen sixty two. She also appeared

639
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: in weird science night of the creeps, Remo Williams. The

640
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: adventure begins return of the living dead to two and

641
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: much more so, kind of a genre staple of the

642
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: time period. The music is from Craig Saffen. Other scores

643
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: include the nineteen eight horror film fate to black, the

644
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three anthology film nightmares, which I referenced earlier,

645
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: which features an arcade story ELM street, for the dream

646
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: master in n seven time stalkers. Uh So, Rob I

647
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: know this is not your favorite kind of score because

648
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: it's a traditional orchestral score doesn't have electronic elements, but

649
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: you know what I actually I thought it was really solid.

650
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: I found it I found it rousing. It had that

651
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: heroic character to it. Yeah, I did everything it needed

652
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: to do. I have no complaints about it. This is

653
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: not one of those films where I'm gonna say the

654
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: electronic score would have elevated it, especially given those Spielbergie

655
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: in tones like this was exactly the music it needed.

656
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: Now I know you're gonna love this, Joe, because our

657
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: production designer is none other than Ron Cobb. No, the

658
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: other Ron Cobb this time, not Ronald Cobb, but not

659
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: the the cabaret costume designer that we talked about in

660
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: Um a devil girl from Mars. No, this is the

661
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: legendary American Australian artist Ron Cobb, who lived ninety seven

662
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: through twenty. Production designer who worked on many iconic films,

663
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: the the designs and looks of tons of movies you

664
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: know and love from the seventies and eighties, that's Ron Cobb. Yeah,

665
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: movies like Dark Star, seventy four, so another John Carpenter connection.

666
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: Star Wars from seventy seven, alien from seventy nine, raiders

667
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: of the lost arc from eight. One, come in, the

668
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: barbarian from a D two, back to the future, five,

669
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: the abyss from eight nine. Also Leviathan from eighty nine.

670
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: So double dipping into the underwater. UH, SCI FI terror,

671
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: total recall from nineteen ninety. UH, he's credited with having

672
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: designed the hammerhead alien, which we later call on an authority.

673
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: And I believe in Star Wars he was a conceptual

674
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: designer on robot jocks. He only directed one film in

675
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: this nine is Um Garbo, which I believe it's just

676
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: like an Australian drama that I don't think even has

677
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: any monsters in it. But UH, yeah, he contributed to

678
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: back to the future and real genius. Basically he just

679
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 1: had his hand in the design elements of so many

680
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: defining films of the late seventies and the nineteen eighties. Yeah,

681
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: I gotta Love Run cobby and we'll come back to

682
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: some of the designs that he did for this film

683
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: because they're they're pretty great. Yeah, Jim Bessel is was

684
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: also involved in this. He was the art director, born

685
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one. Uh, maybe not as legendary name as

686
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: Ron Cob, but still this is the guy that we're

687
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: going to become a big deal in production design, working

688
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: on films like Harry and the Henderson's the rocketeer, Jumanji,

689
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: which is another game based fantasy picture, three hundred, I think,

690
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: two different blockbuster mission impossible films, and much more. Now

691
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: one name that caught my eye when we were looking

692
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: at the credits was the cinematography by King Baggott. Yeah,

693
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: that that's that's the name that captivates you, even if

694
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: you're not familiar with their early days of cinema. This

695
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: King Baggett, born night, was born ninety three. UH, full

696
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: name Stephen King Baggett, a k a king bag at

697
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: the third, the grandson of legendary film director King Baggott,

698
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: who lived eighteen seventy nine through Um. This King Baggett,

699
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: the one who worked on this film, also worked on

700
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: such films as the hand from one and revenge of

701
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: the NERDS Odh. The hand from eight one, I believe,

702
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: is Oliver Stone's remake or I don't know if it's

703
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: officially a remake, basically adaptation of the same material as

704
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: the beast with five fingers, which we covered on the show. Yeah, yeah,

705
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how much it's uh, it

706
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: really has anything to do with the plot of that,

707
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: but it is very much a detached hand movie and

708
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember watching at ages ago, has Michael

709
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: Caine in and uh, I remember it as being good,

710
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen it in a very long time.

711
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: All right, you ready to talk some plot? Let's do it.

712
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: Classic Space Adventure Opening. How many movies have we done

713
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: now in a row where the opening was was looking

714
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: at space? We just keep doing looking at space beginnings. Yeah,

715
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: that this one I rather liked because of course it's

716
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: a universal picture. So we start with that universal studios

717
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: Um a logo that has a spinning earth and then

718
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: we cut two uh to a very similarly Um uh

719
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: sized world, except it's clearly an alien world because it's

720
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: got all these brilliant, like pink or purple colors to it,

721
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: and I kind of like that. It's like Whoa, here

722
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: we are. What world is this? I'm not sure. Do

723
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: we find out? Is this the Ryland homeworld? I would

724
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: guess it's Rylos. Yeah, but it's a classic space adventure

725
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: opening either way. So you know, planet suspended in the

726
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: void and then rushing through a field of stars while

727
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: the horns are blasting out the opening fanfare. It's a

728
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: kind of John Williams style open opening theme. Uh, kind

729
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: of a rousing traditional score. But then the music turns

730
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: gentle and Homie as as the credits fade away and

731
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: we pan down over earth. At first we see some

732
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: mountains in the desert. Looks like we're in southern California probably,

733
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: and then we go to our home base, which is

734
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: the starlight star bright trailer park. This is the home

735
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: setting of the movie and it's it's very much that

736
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: there were a lot of eighties movies like this that

737
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: would start with the the survey of the lived in setting.

738
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: You know the habits, the Quirky neighbors. You see a

739
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: dog snoozing on the front doorstep of a trailer Um.

740
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: You see the characters walking around. There's a guy saying

741
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: it's going to be a sparkling day and then a

742
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: strange old lady pokes her head out of out of

743
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 1: her trailer and says my electricity is out. I'm gonna

744
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: Miss My soaps. And she's got the hair net on

745
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: and you just kind of zoom around meeting the different characters.

746
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: We meet Maggie. She's got a towel like she's ready

747
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: to go out to the lake. UH, she she says

748
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: hi to some guy who's going off fishing. Oh, she

749
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: checks in with her granny who's gardening and uh, this

750
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: is a rock and grandma this. She's like Vanessa Redgrave

751
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: and the simpsons, you know, ever do the backseat Mombo craggy? Yeah,

752
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: everyone is delightful in this place. It has um, it

753
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: has that kind of like small town California charm that

754
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: that also reminds me of the town from sons of anarchy,

755
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: where good for the motorcycle gang space, you know, but

756
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: like far less evil. Yeah, yeah, well, less with less evil,

757
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: but you have I mean the thing about sons of

758
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: anarchy is that there's it's it's evil but wholesome at

759
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: the same time. Right, yeah, but but, yeah, there's no

760
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: biker gangs here. No biker gang could ever come here.

761
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: Like this place is basically Arcadia, uh, which I found

762
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: rather interesting because, you know, a lot of this is

763
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: the plot initially is going to have to deal with

764
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: Alex wishing he could escape, wanting to be somewhere else,

765
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: not wanting to spend the rest of his life here,

766
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: and kind of trash talking people who might think that

767
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: staying here is a good idea. And yet everything looks

768
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: pretty pleasant here, and I don't think that was the

769
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: wrong choice. I think that it would have been kind

770
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: of a bummer if they tried to portray like a

771
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: depressing trailer park in the opening of this film, but

772
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: it is it does seem kind of at odds with

773
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: the way Alex feels about everything. I think you make

774
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: an excellent point. The trailer park has the feeling of

775
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: a totally loving and support of community full of Quirky,

776
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: bighearted characters. It is it's classic Spielberg Movie Home Turf,

777
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: you know. So you've got a PG rated movie of

778
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: the eighties. You're gonna have a kind of like a

779
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: Dolly shot around the neighborhood where it's a little Zany

780
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: here and people are Oh, they're all stuck in their ways,

781
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: but all isn't it cozy and isn't it sweet? And

782
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: it really is, like, you know, we go around seeing

783
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: all these characters doing their things we see Alex's girlfriend, Maggie,

784
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: who's you know, she's smart and funny and takes good

785
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: care of her granny. You see Alex's mom working hard

786
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: to take care of her family. You see Alex's little brother,

787
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: who's the he's the space of injury. He's like wearing

788
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: a space helmet, running around with a little ZAP gun. UH,

789
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: he's he's up to no good, but in a in

790
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: a cute way. There's a cat that crawls out of

791
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: a mailbox and then, I think later we get cat

792
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: reaction shots. Second movie in a row on Weird House

793
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: where we have cat reaction shots Um, which I think

794
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: in general I love pet reaction shots and films because,

795
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, it implies that the animal is not only

796
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: reacting to what's happening in the scene but also thinking

797
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: about what's happening in the scene. Yes, yes, but anyway,

798
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: I think you're you're exactly right to point this out,

799
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: and it is a kind of strange tension in the movie.

800
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: It sometimes makes Alex seem like an ungrateful jerk for

801
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: talking so much about how like he has to escape

802
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: this place because, you know, obviously traveling and seeing the world,

803
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: that's great, that's a good thing to do. But like

804
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: his family and his neighbors are so nice, like would

805
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: it really be so bad to live here with them?

806
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: But anyway, way, so we're we're going around meeting everybody,

807
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: and then we finally meet Alex himself. And where is he,

808
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: they say, where else? He is standing at the arcade

809
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: cabinet for the starfighter video game. Uh, and this is

810
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: the first of many times we will hear the opening

811
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: narration of this video game. It says, greeting, starfighter, you

812
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: have been recruited by the Star League to defend the

813
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: frontier against Zuur, and the code and Armada prepare for

814
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: blast off. And I started thinking, wait a second. Did

815
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: Video Arcade cabinets in four playback real recorded audio, such

816
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: as like an extended voice message? I don't remember anything

817
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: like that. I just remember bleeps and bloops. Yeah, you

818
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: may be right, and they certainly talked later, but I

819
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: don't know about ones from the cabinets from this era.

820
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: Rob You had a note about this when you pointed

821
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: out how the trailer park is is so idyllic. It's

822
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: like Arcadia, but it's uh, surely they weren't doing this

823
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: on purpose, but it is interesting that Alex is trying

824
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: to escape Arcadia, as you said, via an arcade game. Yeah, yeah,

825
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that was their cleverness or or

826
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: my attempt at cleverness, but at any rate, yeah, here's

827
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: the cabinet just in the middle of everything, and it's

828
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: a splendid looking cabinet. Uh, it's, it's it's making sounds

829
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: like you say that that may be more advanced than

830
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: other arcade cabinets. At the time we see some gameplay

831
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: footage and it also looks really slight. But of course

832
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: all of this will make sense as we progress to

833
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: the plot, because this is no normal arcade cabinet. Right.

834
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: So when we first meet Alex, he and Maggie, they're

835
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: supposed to go up to the lake hang out with

836
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: their friends. Alex's friends are all making fun of him.

837
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: There's the guy driving the red pickup truck. He's like, Oh,

838
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: here's Alex, on the last leg of his worldwide tour

839
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: done nowhere, and they all laugh. And then Alex is

840
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: is gonna. He gives them his like I'm gonna be

841
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: somebody's speech, you know. He's uh, he's like you think

842
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hang out with you guys the rest

843
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: of my life. I'm gonna go do something, I'm gonna

844
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: go places. Yeah, he kind of tears into him a

845
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: little bit, like he kind of gives back more than

846
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: he received in this scene that everyone's kind, everyone's good

847
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: natured enough. They're just like, oh well, that's Alex. Oh,

848
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: but then Alex can't go to the lake with them

849
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: because he has to stay behind and help fix the

850
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: old ladies electricity in her trailer so she doesn't miss

851
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: her soaps. So Maggie and the gang go to the

852
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: lake without him, while he stays behind to do the

853
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: grunt work. And you get the feeling this just happens

854
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: all the time. Alex is, you know, he's always gotta

855
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: be the handyman around the trailer park instead of going

856
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: off to do what he wants to do. But it

857
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: does score him some extra video game time, and I

858
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: guess he has quarters to spare, because he ends up

859
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: spending some more time, uh, playing the arcade cabinet and

860
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: we end up with a pretty great, great scene here

861
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: because he's he's progressing enough in the game that he

862
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: starts making a real run at beating the game like

863
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: a real boss run here and the community takes notice

864
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: and they start calling each other over. They gather around

865
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: the arcade cabinet to cheer him on and Watch. Even

866
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: the pets are present. And you know this is of

867
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: course an exaggeration, but I think it does kind of

868
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: capture that sent that performative aspect of public arcade machines

869
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: of old. You know that you would have be at

870
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: something of the supermarket or at an actual arcade where

871
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: somebody was doing really well at a game, people might

872
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: gather around to watch and even cheer them on, like,

873
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, I might never beat this game, but here's

874
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: somebody who can. Hopefully they can. Maybe I'll get to

875
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: see the ending, I'll get to see what happens. And

876
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: you want to see them succeed and you want to

877
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: see what it looks like. Yeah, you want to see

878
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: what the ending is. I love the scene. Is Really Cute.

879
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: It's like the old grannies are gathering around, you know,

880
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: Vanessa Redgrave here the Rock and grandma, uh, they're they're talking.

881
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: It's the I think the game says approaching command ship

882
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: and then they're like, oh, command ship, what's a command ship?

883
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: But it's very cute. So and and Alex. he like

884
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: beats the High Score, he beats the game. He uh,

885
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: he goes for the record and UH. And then later

886
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: after the starfighter victory, you know, there's kind of a

887
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: wind down and Alex and Maggie are talking about their

888
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: future and there's one part I totally like burned into

889
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: my memory from when I was a kid watching this.

890
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: Alex and Maggie are standing outside and they kiss and

891
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: Alex's little brother Lewis is looking through the window at

892
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: them as they kiss and when they kiss he says

893
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: diarrhea like he's using it as a as a curse

894
00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: word or something. I think he means like that's gross. Right, though,

895
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: I have a very weird memory of not knowing what

896
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: to make that line when I was a kid, and

897
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: this is literally where my brain went. I was like, Huh,

898
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: why did he say that? Well, maybe it's because diarrhea

899
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: could potentially be spread by germs and when you kiss

900
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: you exchange germs, so maybe he's suggesting that by kissing,

901
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: one of them is catching diarrhea from the other one.

902
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would put together that hypothesis

903
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: but Um, yeah, I don't think that's what it meant.

904
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: I think he's. or You could just be like, he's

905
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: just a kid who says stuff like this all the time,

906
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: like he just learned this word and what it means,

907
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: so he's going to say it a lot. Maybe he

908
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: read about it and one of his mini playboys. Oh, yes, yes, well, anyway, so, uh,

909
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,479
Speaker 1: Alex comes back to talk to his mom and uh,

910
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: and he's all, he's all, you know, pumped up because

911
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: he beat the record on starfighter, and he approaches his

912
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: mom in the kitchen he says someday they're gonna say

913
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: this is where it all began. And she's like what

914
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: is it? And he goes mom, I finally broke the

915
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: starfighter record. And Alex, I mean I'm glad you had

916
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: fun with your video game, but that you're gonna have

917
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: to accept that people aren't going to care very much. Well,

918
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: games were really hard back in those days. That's true.

919
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: Nowadays he beat a video game, it's just like all right, well,

920
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: that that's a that's a Tuesday. But back in the

921
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: day these were hard. This was an accomplishment, not in

922
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: just anyone could do it. That's true. It's like mom

923
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: might beat battle toads and she's like oh in that case.

924
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: But no, she's actually she's got some bad news for him.

925
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: That's why she's kind of down. A letter came in

926
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: the mail. It's his application for a student loan and

927
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: it's been denied. So he's not headed off to wherever

928
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: it was he wanted to go. They never say exactly.

929
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: Now this was already in the mail, so it could

930
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: not possibly be connected. His rejection for financial aid. Could

931
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: not be connected to the alien conspiracy, could it? I

932
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: doubt it. Well, I don't know. Maybe the aliens can

933
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: intercept the mail. I'm not sure. What is it. What

934
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: is the alien document archery technique? What? What? What's their

935
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: level of skill at that? I don't know. They probably

936
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: have a shape shifting alien who doesn't manulate your mailbox,

937
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. So, anyway, Alex has really bummed out

938
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: about this and he goes off wandering by himself in

939
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: the in the front parking lot of the motor court,

940
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: and it seems like he's just really dejected. But what's

941
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: this there? There's kind of a worrying sound from behind

942
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: him and then out and then out pops this very

943
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: strange looking car and somebody starts speaking to him from

944
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: inside the strange car and it almost sounds like the

945
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: voice of Harold Hill, the music man, asking can you

946
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: tell me the name of the person who beat that

947
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: video game right over there? And Alex says, well, it's me.

948
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: Who Are you? Who? Who is this guy? This guy

949
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: is Centauri. Of course it's Centauri. Yes, and the Centauri

950
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: Mobile here is awesome. It it looks, I mean, obviously

951
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: there are notes of delore into it, but it also looks,

952
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: quite fittingly, like a spaceship car. It looks like it

953
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: just rolled off of an epcot attraction, and I mean

954
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: that in the best possible sense. They're they're also sets

955
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: in this that really strongly made me think of Epcot.

956
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: I was just at Epcot. That may have something to

957
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: do with it. But but it has that kind of

958
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: like slick design but also seems like kind of functional,

959
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: but not not in an authentic way, but in a

960
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: ride attraction way. So, yeah, strong epcot vibes here. I

961
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. So, so we find out some

962
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: things in this conversation. Uh, we find out Centauri invented starfighter,

963
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: the game. Uh, to find talented people like Alex. Alex

964
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: kind of he hesitates a little bit, but I don't know,

965
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: he seems interested, like he does want to get away

966
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: from the trailer park. So he gets into the car.

967
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: He shakes hands with a humanoid figure who is shrouded

968
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: in shadow and this gives him an electrical shock, and

969
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: then the humanoid gets out of the Centauri mobile and

970
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: then Centauri speeds away and we get a lot of

971
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: flavor of Centauri. He's driving three miles per hour and

972
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 1: just adding at at Alex and I don't know what's

973
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: the Centauri Vibe? It's very Herald Hill. I wonder. I

974
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: was just thinking of this. So Centauri obviously a reference

975
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: to cosmology here in astronomy, but also Centaur makes me

976
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: think of Chiron, the Centaur tutor to Achilles, the wise

977
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: uh individual who trains the great warrior. I didn't make

978
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: that connection. That's interesting. It might be reaching. I might

979
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: be reaching on that one, but I don't know if

980
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: Centauri Trains Alex. well, he does via the video game

981
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: he created. Yeah, he recruits him, definitely. Yeah. So, yeah,

982
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: the Centauri is like I've got something in store for you.

983
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: You know, you've proved yourself on this video game. I'm

984
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: gonna take you somewhere. So the car is speeding along

985
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: and it looks like it's going to crash into a

986
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: wall at three miles an hour and then it starts flying. Yeah,

987
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: Alex almost says the s word, but luckily this is

988
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: a PG family film, so so he doesn't actually get

989
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: the s word out. I think he could have at

990
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: it once. They might say it once somewhere else in

991
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: the movie. Okay, I can't remember if they did it,

992
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: but I was struck. For the most part this film

993
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: is very PG, with a couple of moments where you're like,

994
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, Ron Cobb and company, you're kind of

995
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: pushing the envelope on what the kids would surely have

996
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: been able to handle. I don't know, the man the

997
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: kids in the eighties who were exposed to too much

998
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: worse on the screen. I guess. Yeah, this is at

999
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: the edge of PG. There are a couple of scenes

1000
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: that are pretty grizzly. I guess here I'm gonna start

1001
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: getting a little more cursory and describing what happens so

1002
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: we can more talk about the broader like themes and movements.

1003
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: But basically, so Alex is riding with Centauri here with

1004
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: Robert Preston up to the space base on Rilos and uh,

1005
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: rob how would you describe the intake procedure at the

1006
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: space base? It's straight up feels like an epcot ride,

1007
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: if it feels if you're about to begin an epcot ride,

1008
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: and it's great, like there's a little bit too much space,

1009
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: as if it were designed to accommodate large groups of

1010
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: people that are about to border ride, like it's supposed

1011
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: to be that if it gets crowded there's still enough

1012
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: room for a fire exit. So they're very responsible, very

1013
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: responsible to sign yes exactly. And so when he gets

1014
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: out of Centauri's car in the space base on Rilos,

1015
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: he meets some Rylands. They are again. They all look

1016
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: like Larry David, just like you say. They've got the

1017
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: horseshoe of white hair and then they're bald on top.

1018
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: They speak to him in an alien language. He doesn't

1019
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: understand them until somebody pins a translator device onto his

1020
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: collar and then he understands everything. But I love all

1021
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: the costumes and everything. The aliens are very weird looking.

1022
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: A lot of this is played for comedy and it

1023
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: is pretty funny. There's one kind of rylan old lady

1024
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: who looks kind of like, kind of like a cat,

1025
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: and she makes a purring noise at him. Oh, and

1026
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: then meanwhile it was so while he's doing all the

1027
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: intake at the space base, uh, there is some weird

1028
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: stuff going on back on earth. We see, uh, we

1029
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: see some of the earth characters like Maggie and Louis,

1030
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: the little brother, doing stuff and uh, at one point

1031
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: Maggie comes to try to talk to Alex and in

1032
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: fact there is somebody in Alex's bed. That's strange. He's

1033
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 1: up in space. So who's in his bed, like totally

1034
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: covered in blankets? And Maggie tries to talk to him

1035
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: but he just sort of lays their moaning and she's

1036
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: like well, okay, and she leaves. And as soon as

1037
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: she leaves we get a moment of absolute horror. This

1038
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: is one of the grossest looking things I can remember

1039
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: seeing on screen as a child. The figure under the

1040
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: blanket folds the blanket back and reveals I guess that.

1041
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: I guess we're supposed to know at this point that

1042
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: this was the Beta module, the other creature in the

1043
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: car with Centauri when when Alex left. Except, and it's

1044
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be turning itself into a perfect copy of Alex,

1045
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: but it's not done yet. So it is just a

1046
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: kind of slimy looking, Pale humanoid figure with these disgusting

1047
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: like shriveled eyes. It's horrifying. Yeah, it's quite grotesque looking. UH,

1048
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: solid effects, maybe a little too solid for this. Essentially

1049
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: a half baked clone that's still still cooking there under

1050
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: the covers. But Anyway, the point is that this is

1051
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: going to be a robot that makes itself into a

1052
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: copy of Alex so that, you know, so that nobody

1053
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: misses Alex while he's gone. A solid B plot that

1054
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: they spend some good time with. Oh yeah, I agree,

1055
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: this is a very good b plot. But so back

1056
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: in space, Alex is getting brief with some other recruits.

1057
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: We see the other starfighters and there are various types

1058
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: of aliens. One has tentacles for a mouth, one has

1059
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: a kind of insect face, one just doesn't have a

1060
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: face at all. It's just like its face is kind

1061
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: of like a like a umpire's mask or something. And

1062
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: they're all sitting around getting getting a briefing by induring

1063
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: or induring the the head of the Rylands, who has again.

1064
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: He's got the Larry David Head, but then he's got

1065
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: two big like sort of skull lobes on either side

1066
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: of his forehead. I don't know if that's like a

1067
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: sign of seniority among them. Yeah, yeah, he that. He

1068
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: he starts giving a speech and this is where he learns.

1069
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: He's like hey, we have an interstellar war going on

1070
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: because basically me and my son can't get along with

1071
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: each other. And and Alex learns, you know what what

1072
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: he's what he's in for here, right. So he's talking

1073
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: to one of the other recruits there and and Alex

1074
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: has been very confused up to this point, but the

1075
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: other recruit tells him you were recruited by the Star League.

1076
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: And then Alex like completes his sentence because he knows

1077
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: this from the video game, to defend the frontier against

1078
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: Zora and the code in Armada. So this is where

1079
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: everything starts coming together. Everything from the video game was real.

1080
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: It was actually training him for this war. The ship

1081
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: from the game is the actual ship that he will fly.

1082
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: He is actually on rilos. That was a real place,

1083
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: not one made up for the game. He actually has

1084
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: to defend the frontier against Zora and the code in Armada.

1085
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: So who is zoor and the code in Armada? We

1086
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: we will find out in a few moments. But we

1087
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: also learned that the frontier is basically an invisible energy

1088
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: shield that's in space and it protects the peaceful systems

1089
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: from conquest by by the code and empire. And we

1090
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: find out that, due to a dark betrayal, the frontier

1091
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: will soon collapse. Oh, why could that be? Anyway, the

1092
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: starfighters are the only hope that rilos has left and

1093
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: they all start chanting victory or death. And this is

1094
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: a little too much for Alex and he's trying to

1095
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: he's trying to find a way to get out of

1096
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: this mess. And here's where he bumps into Dan o'hurley,

1097
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: he as Grig. How would you describe their first meeting here? Um,

1098
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, mostly comedic. Again, we give

1099
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: the sort of clash of personalities where I mean essentially

1100
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: a lot of their their interaction is kind of like

1101
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: grig is very much Um, you know, of the warrior

1102
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: mindset and duty and honor and and so forth, but

1103
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: not in a what, not in like a harsh way,

1104
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: but in a very practical and an honor bound way.

1105
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: And Uh, and then meanwhile Alex is like what war? What?

1106
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: This is real, and he's like Oh, yes, it's very

1107
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: really actually I'm the last starfighter. And he's like well, yeah, yeah, yes,

1108
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: it's actually yeah, uh so, yeah, I think that's right.

1109
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: So Greg is very much greg is kind of disappointed

1110
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: in Alex for wanting to escape the situation. He's like really,

1111
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: you're going to walk away from the chance to be

1112
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: a starfighter? That's that's extraordinary. I can't believe you would

1113
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: do that. But okay. And then he, especially Grigg, is

1114
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: upset when he finds out that that Centauri got Alex

1115
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: here by trickery and he he knows who Centauri is.

1116
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: So they go chase him down and Griggs like don't

1117
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: you know it's illegal to recruit from worlds outside the

1118
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: Star League, and and Centauri is like, Oh, you know,

1119
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: they'll be in the star League soon. UH So. So

1120
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: I think it's sort of a star trek, like pre

1121
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: contact by the federation thing. But Centauri is trying to

1122
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: talk Alex into staying here because it's clear Centauri has

1123
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: been paid a bounty for recruiting a starfighter. He's been

1124
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: given a big sum of money and if Alex quits,

1125
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to give that money back and Centauri

1126
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: doesn't want that. So He's like, oh, it'll be fine,

1127
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: this is not actually dangerous. Uh. And then suddenly, right

1128
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: after he says that, we get a big head incoming,

1129
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: there's a giant Hologram of another Larry David Head, but

1130
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: this time it's zoor baby. This is zoor he's it's

1131
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: what's his name? John Snow, not John Snow, it's Norman Snow,

1132
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: as Zure in Hologram form, as big as a as

1133
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: big as and I don't know what, an elephant floating

1134
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: in the middle of space in this room arguing with

1135
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: his dad, and he's like, Father, I am here to

1136
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: do even and uh, induring is like, do not call

1137
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: me father, and they argue and you know, he's like

1138
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: you have betrayed Rylos. And then Zour says there are

1139
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: some Rylands who would welcome me, father, and the father says,

1140
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: Star League, put down your Zurian cult. Your followers are

1141
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: few and scattered. And Zura says, Star League, a refuge

1142
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: for weak world's not worthy to be our equals. Uh,

1143
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: so the yeah, we never get much back backstory about this,

1144
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: like what is the Zurian cult? How did all this

1145
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: break down? Like, why is the son of this guy

1146
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: operating a cult and now trying to attack the planet

1147
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: he comes from? It's not clear. Yeah, and the only

1148
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: thing is clear that maybe they should have put aside

1149
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: Um rule by monarchy. You know, yeah, exactly. But anyway,

1150
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: so he calls his father, calls him a an evil child,

1151
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: and zoo doesn't like that, he says. And yet it

1152
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: is this child who caught your master spy. And here's,

1153
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: here's where we get another I would say, if this

1154
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: is supposed to be a kid's adventure movie, this is

1155
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: a kind of age inappropriate scene. We get the master

1156
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: spy on vid screen here and he is killed in

1157
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: a horrible way by this like laser pulse to the

1158
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: head that kind of melts his brain as he screams. Yeah,

1159
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: it's very well done and again a little too well done. It's, it's,

1160
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of horrific. It melts the top of

1161
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: his head. Yeah, and then fortunately that cuts away before

1162
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 1: we see anything else. Right, and this is right after

1163
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: Centauri is like, Oh, this is not dangerous. So Alex

1164
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: is out of here and he he leaves. He wants

1165
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: to go back to Earth. So he's refusing the call now.

1166
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: And UH, meanwhile, we're gonna see what's going on with

1167
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: Zor and his buddies. So we see the frontier. It's

1168
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: kind of like all these green little do dad's floating

1169
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: in space and I guess they're they're marking an invisible barrier.

1170
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: And zoor and the code and Armada are sitting in

1171
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: the command ship right next to the frontier and they're

1172
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: they're going to get ready to attack rilos. So we

1173
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 1: see Zoor massaging accepter that he receives from somebody. He goes,

1174
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, he's like looking at the scepter and he goes,

1175
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: just like your code and emperors, isn't it, commander Krill?

1176
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: and Commander Krill standing nearby, says it takes more than

1177
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: a scepter too rules or even on rilos. So you

1178
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: can tell there's some tension between them. Like commander Krill's

1179
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: working for Zoor, but he doesn't necessarily like it. Yeah,

1180
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: and I thought this is interesting. Instead of just presenting

1181
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: our our evil space emperor or or evil space usurper,

1182
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 1: which wouldn't really require a lot of leg work there

1183
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: you can just basically say this is what it is.

1184
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: That's what most Uh Star Wars knockoffs did and you

1185
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: don't you don't really question it. But here were we

1186
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: do have a slightly more nuance situation where, Um, where

1187
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: we have the cast off son who's aligned himself with

1188
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: the enemy and they're not super happy to have him around,

1189
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: like they seem to recognize that he's dangerous and full

1190
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: of himself. But he does have important information that's going

1191
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: to be pivotal for this particular campaign. So He's been

1192
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: given this title, he's been given this authority, uh, within

1193
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: the code and the military. But it's a tenuous relationship,

1194
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: even if he does not realize that's the case. Right,

1195
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: and you can tell Zure just takes everyone else's submission

1196
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: for granted. You know, he's like he's not gonna he

1197
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: doesn't care. He's entitled to this. But anyway, they're gonna

1198
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: use Zuur's knowledge about how to get through the frontier

1199
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: to launch a meteor attack on the base on rilos.

1200
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: It's a brutal attack. They like shoot space rocks at

1201
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: the base. Um, they blow it up. This is made

1202
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: extra possible by a double agent who sets off a

1203
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: bomb within the base to disable the like the turrets

1204
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: that are supposed to shoot down the meteors. and WHO's

1205
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: the double agent? Turns out it's the cat. It's the

1206
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: purring lady from before. Oh Man. But at the end

1207
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: of this whole thing, zooer finds out he gets intelligence

1208
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: that one of the starfighters has escaped. Oh No, so

1209
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: what's he gonna do about that? Well, we check in

1210
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: back on earth and one thing that's funny is when

1211
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: so Centauri Takes Alex back to the trailer park, though

1212
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: it takes him a while to get there because his

1213
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: his Centauri mobile breaks down and he has to fix it.

1214
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: So Alex sort of wanders back to the trailer Park

1215
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: by himself and when he first meets Maggie he's like hey, Maggie,

1216
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: and she's really mad at him and he doesn't understand why.

1217
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: But it's because he doesn't realize there has been another

1218
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: copy of him here and the other copy of him

1219
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: is not very good at dealing with people. That's right.

1220
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: It it genetically copied and I guess absorbs certain memories,

1221
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: but it's having to figure out a lot of the

1222
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: other stuff, uh, in real time, with the with some

1223
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: kind of a comedic scenes here and there, I mean

1224
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be comedic anyway, where he's like trying

1225
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: to figure out, Um, like how romance works by by

1226
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: turning up his robot hearing and trying to hear what

1227
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: other couples are saying in the Makeout Park. I thought

1228
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: that seven was funny. Yeah, yeah, no, it was. It

1229
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: was fun. It was good, like I said, as far

1230
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: as B plots go, you know, the the earth plot

1231
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: in your space opera. All of this is really, really

1232
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: well done. And this is where we get the double

1233
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: with the double roll, because we end up having interaction

1234
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: between Alex and his Beta copy right exactly. So Alex

1235
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: he he talks to Maggie. She's mad. He doesn't know why,

1236
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,479
Speaker 1: and then it's clear like somehow he's been there doing

1237
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: things that made her mad, even though he wasn't there.

1238
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: So he goes back to his room and he meets

1239
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: the copy of him, the Beta module, and they argue.

1240
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: You know, Beta module is like Hey, I'm I'm here

1241
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: taking your place. Aren't you supposed to be saving the universe?

1242
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: And Uh, you know, Alex is like, I'm not going

1243
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: to do that. It's a war, you know. It's dangerous.

1244
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: And then, uh, commenting on a poster that Alex has

1245
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: in his bedroom. Uh, the copy says, Oh, save the

1246
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: whales and not the universe. Huh, and I was like

1247
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: good point. I guess the whales are in Act at

1248
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: risk from zoor in the codin Armada. But Anyway, Alex

1249
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: is like, well, I'm back here now, so you know,

1250
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: you hit the bricks. Hit the bricks right. So, uh.

1251
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: So you think maybe, well, what's is he's just gonna

1252
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: Chill here on Earth. No, because here comes an alien

1253
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: hit beast. UH, there's it's like a hitchhiker who gets

1254
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: out of a car at the at the trailer park

1255
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: and he's walking around. He walks in front of the

1256
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: video arcade game and it it shines a light on

1257
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: him that like removes his human disguise and reveals him

1258
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 1: to be this grotesque alien creature. And then the creature

1259
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: tries to kill Alex. there's this big fight. Centauri shows

1260
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: back up and and blasts the alien with a with

1261
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: a laser, but the alien also gets one hit in

1262
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 1: on Centauri, kind of shoots him in the in the

1263
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: hip or something, and they talk about it and it's

1264
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: like well, you know these hit beasts. Uh What? What?

1265
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: What are they called? Against Zando Zans or something? Yeah,

1266
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: Zandoz and, yeah, they're gonna keep coming. Right, Alex, he's like,

1267
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: as long as you're a live here, zoor is going

1268
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: to be sending these things after you. Uh So, really,

1269
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: you've got no choice but to go back and fight

1270
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: and leave the Beta module here to absorb the attacks

1271
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 1: by these hit beasts. And I think this does it.

1272
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: Alex is like well, yeah, and no choice. Basically got

1273
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: to go back and fight the code in Armada. So

1274
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: he goes back. Uh. There there's a reunion with Grig.

1275
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: We get we get an apparent death of Centauri scene

1276
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: where he's like Oh my wounds and he collapses in

1277
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: his car. He has a great last line before he

1278
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: apparently dies, talking about collecting the money for bringing Alex back.

1279
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: And Oh God, what, what? What is it he says?

1280
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, it's great to he gives some

1281
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: kind of lofty thing about like what's really what really

1282
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: matters in life, but then again, it never hurts to

1283
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: be rich. And then he dies. And and Greg. Greg

1284
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: has a nice moment here. He's like like well, he's

1285
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: passed on for this dimension anywhere, or something to that effect.

1286
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: You know, noble and brief, but but very accepting of

1287
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: death and the reality of death. And Alex, though, is

1288
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: just incomplete, UH denial. He's like, he's like Centauri, Centauri.

1289
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: So it's it's a nice juxtaposition there. Yeah, I think

1290
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: Grigg says death is a primitive concept. Gregg is very

1291
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: vulcan into new respects, I guess. Yes, yes, he is

1292
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: um I mean not in the sense of not having emotions.

1293
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: He does have emotions, but there there's some other kind

1294
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: of vulcany dynamics, that kind of uh, this makes him

1295
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: sound me a kind of friendly, well meaning alien condescension

1296
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: on the human perspective. Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.

1297
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: But Anyway, here we sort of transition to the third

1298
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: act right like there there's ongoing conflict with there are

1299
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: some hit beasts that will continue to to plague Beta

1300
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: and Maggie back back on earth, and meanwhile Grig and

1301
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: uh an Alex are off to to fight the code

1302
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 1: in Armada, and we're gonna get a lot of space

1303
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: battles after this. Yeah, and that's that's that's kind of

1304
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: the downside to the last third of the picture is

1305
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: that you're gonna get a lot of these computer or effects.

1306
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: You'RE gonna get a lot of opportunities to see all

1307
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: the ways that they fall a little bit short of

1308
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: of of what they attempted to achieve. And again, for

1309
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: for a modern film viewer, if you're coming into this

1310
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: after having watched, I mean really, if you're coming into

1311
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: this having watched even the original star wars, you're going

1312
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: to find this a little bit disappointing. Definitely agree about

1313
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: the space battles. Actually, though, I thought that the the

1314
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: big showdown on earth is fantastic, where there's like a

1315
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: hit yeah, there's like a hit beast coming after Beta

1316
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: and Maggie, but it happens to overhear Beta revealing the

1317
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: fact that he's not really Alex and that Alex is

1318
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: up in space, and then it's like, oh, okay, I

1319
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: better run off and message zoor with this information. So

1320
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 1: they have a big showdown about that. The hit beast

1321
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: almost gets the message off and almost reveals but then

1322
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: the robot sacrifices itself by Ramming into the alien spaceship

1323
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: with a pickup truck. Yes, so I think the only

1324
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,799
Speaker 1: thing can get uh, the only part of the message

1325
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: he gets sent out is Um, like the last star

1326
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: fighter is and then we don't know. But when Zoor

1327
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: hears this, he's like, Oh, the last starfighter is dead.

1328
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: Clearly that's it. Don't worry, Codin's, let's continue on with

1329
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: the assault. And they're like, okay, do you have the

1330
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: shields down? Oh, this is another critique I have about

1331
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: the space battles. I think the last starfighter's vessel, what

1332
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: is it? What is it called? The Gun Star? A

1333
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: Gun Star? The Gun Star looks pretty cool the but

1334
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: the villain's warship just feels it doesn't feel threatening enough.

1335
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't know it. For me anyway, my personal taste,

1336
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: the Star destroyer of this picture did not have enough

1337
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: of a star destroyer vibe. I think the bosses in

1338
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: Star Fox look better. Yeah, it's just kind of a

1339
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: big V it's like there's nothing that looks all that

1340
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: villainous or interesting about it. Yeah, it looks more industrial

1341
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: than at least when we compare it to other sci

1342
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: fi spaceship does signs there is a great thing that

1343
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: they build up to, which is they mentioned it several times.

1344
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: There's one last weapon we have on the gun story

1345
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: is the death blossom and they build it up real

1346
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: big and then when they actually do it, it kind

1347
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: of doesn't look that cool and it's like, okay, it

1348
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: just made me think of blooming onion. That so that

1349
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: can I threw me, threw me out of picture there.

1350
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: But death blossom. But eventually, of course. How's this movie

1351
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: gonna End? You know what's gonna Happen. Alex and Griggs

1352
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: saved the day. They defeat the command ship, they defeat

1353
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: the code in Armada. UH, they blast up the command

1354
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 1: ship good and then it is sent like barreling toward

1355
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: a moon. I think, yeah, we have some some fun

1356
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: drama aboard the vessel, though, leading up to this moment

1357
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: and at this moment, because first of all, when the

1358
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 1: codons realize that the last starfighter is alive, they're like, okay,

1359
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: enough of this Zur nonsense, and they haven't thrown taken

1360
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: away to be thrown in the brig they're like that's it,

1361
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 1: he's out of here. This is totally a code on

1362
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: Um Enterprise. At this point, he's he's out at the

1363
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: chain of command. We don't need him anymore. So they

1364
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: so he's dragging they drag him away some or one

1365
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: of the codon guards drags him away, but Zure overpowers

1366
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: the guard and escapes in the escape pod. Okay and UH.

1367
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: And that leaves just the codens on board as their

1368
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: ship begins to crash into the moon, and we get

1369
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: this last moment between the two code and commanders. Well,

1370
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: you know, they're trying all these different things, defense methods,

1371
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: and then they realized they're going to crash into the

1372
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 1: moon and one says, what do we do? And then

1373
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 1: the other one looks up at him, space monocle moves

1374
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: into place and he says we die. And then, sure enough,

1375
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: they crashed into the moon and die. Cool moment. I

1376
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: knew that was the one you were thinking of earlier.

1377
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know why it's so cool, but for

1378
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 1: some reason when I was a kid, like this was

1379
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,520
Speaker 1: like really cool. Like why aren't all dramatic moments punctuated

1380
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: with a space monocle moving into place? But of course,

1381
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: as as you pointed out, Zor survives. He takes the

1382
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: escape pod. Yeah, it lives on in the no sequel

1383
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: limbo with the likes of Jaredson villains that they were like, well,

1384
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: we gotta save this villain don't. We don't want to

1385
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: get rid of this villain, have them escape so they

1386
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: can come back in the sequel. And then, of course

1387
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: the film does not end up getting sequel. So who knows?

1388
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: How is it that there are seven transfers movies but

1389
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: there is no sequel to the destruction of Jaredson or

1390
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: the last starfighter? Can you imagine a marvel style universe

1391
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: crossover event in which Zoor and Jaredson team up, just

1392
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 1: the glorious, sneering wickedness of it? That would be great.

1393
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: I wonder who else you could throw in there, because

1394
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: I know this. This is not the only case we

1395
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: have a film that that decided to set up as

1396
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: sequel but never got to do it. Um, I guess

1397
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,520
Speaker 1: that you have some like matches the universe, but that's skeletor.

1398
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean obviously skeletor is going to survive, but but

1399
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: films like this and Jaredson are especially noteworthy because they're

1400
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: establishing that villain. They're like no, this is our skeletor.

1401
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: Of course skeletor survives and we'll be back in the

1402
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 1: next picture. You probably next year, maybe the year after. Now.

1403
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: Spoiler for the end of the movie after Alex and

1404
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: Grigg Defeat, defeat all the bad guys, they come down

1405
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 1: to Rilos, they're greeted by injuring. There are just like

1406
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: it appears to be tens of thousands of Rylands, all

1407
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 1: all cheering for them and ready to make them code

1408
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: dictators of Rilos. And Uh, and spoiler, spoiler coming here.

1409
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: But there's a big twist. What's the twist? What's the twist?

1410
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: It's Centauri still alive. Here's Robert Preston. He sort of

1411
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,719
Speaker 1: wipes off an alien face and there he is again

1412
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: and he's like, Oh, I wasn't dead, my body just

1413
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 1: went into hibernation to heal its wounds. It's pretty great.

1414
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: I mean, on one level it feels kind of forced,

1415
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: but it also just feels good to have him back.

1416
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't need this character to die. It's great.

1417
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: It's great that he came back, came back as Centauri,

1418
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: the white exactly, and you can tell he's like he's

1419
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: like getting behind Alex, like kind of whispering in his ear.

1420
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: He's like, let me tell you what to do now, son. Yeah,

1421
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: it's like now he's he's Alex's agent, which I like. Uh,

1422
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: and there's also a very sweet ending. It kind of

1423
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: goes on a little long, but there's a sweet ending

1424
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: where Alex and Grig go back to the to the

1425
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,919
Speaker 1: trailer park on Earth, and they see all of Alex's

1426
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: friends and all the neighbors there figure out, Oh wow,

1427
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: it's all real, it's from another planet. And and Alex

1428
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: Gets Maggie to come with him on the spaceship back

1429
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: to rilos so they can recruit more starfighters to defend

1430
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: the galaxy. And Uh, and it's very heartwarming. Yeah, Gregg

1431
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: gets to meet all the grandma's. Though it's it is

1432
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: unfortunate we don't get like the Grig with the sunglasses

1433
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: saying surfs up, but I'll take yeah, in the longer

1434
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: cut of the film, perhaps we could have had that.

1435
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: Now I don't know any of the details, but I

1436
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 1: think there is some sort of a reboot or return

1437
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: to the last starfighter world in the works. I don't

1438
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: know what it's going to consist of, if we're talking

1439
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: about a film or a series or what Um it's.

1440
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: That's an interesting idea because there's a lot of depending

1441
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: on where they go with it. I mean they could

1442
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: just kind of throw everything out the window. I guess

1443
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: they could go really hardcore and just pick up and

1444
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: just try and honor everything that's in this film. But

1445
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: even if they end up going for that, somewhere in

1446
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: between there's there are a lot of interesting pieces that

1447
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: are put on the table here but are not completely explored,

1448
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 1: that are introduced but but could be fleshed out more.

1449
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: And if you were to do a pretty long like

1450
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: a longer form thing, like, there's a lot of cool

1451
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: shenanigans you could have with the Beta Alex on earth. Yeah, there,

1452
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: there's there's for room to expand this. I'm not completely

1453
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 1: opposed to the idea of a of a reboot here.

1454
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: I would be I would be open minded about it.

1455
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: who had they cast as Centauri? Now, Jeff Goldbloom. Maybe

1456
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 1: with Jeff Gold Bloom? UH, Jeff Goldbloom make a good Centari.

1457
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: What about Jeff Bridges? Oh, there you go, get into

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Speaker 1: some of that tron action. Now, he could do it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he would be good. Now I neglected to say where

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01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 1: you can get this movie. Uh, you can. You should

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01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 1: be able to rent or buy it digitally, where you

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Speaker 1: get your pictures these days. It's also been you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it was a major release. So it's been available

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Speaker 1: on various formats at home. I believe there was a

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Speaker 1: anniversary edition that came out on BLU ray a few

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Speaker 1: years back and I'm not sure if they remastered it

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Speaker 1: or what, but I feel like the film quality that

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Speaker 1: I watched it in was very clear, very, very pristine

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Speaker 1: and it looked. Looked really good. Yeah, me too. So yeah, again,

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Speaker 1: aside from the computer effects, everything standing in pretty pretty

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Speaker 1: pretty stands up pretty well to modern viewing here. So

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Speaker 1: this is a fun one. I'd be interested to hear

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Speaker 1: from other folks out there who fondly remember it or

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Speaker 1: just remember it from their childhood and what it's been

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01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: like to watch it again all these years later, or

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Speaker 1: what's it like to watch it for the first time?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I would be interested in that as well,

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Speaker 1: because it's it's a film that for many people it's

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01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: very much a product of its time. You know, it

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Speaker 1: speaks to that time and you think about having launched

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01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: it as a kid. I don't know how it reads necessarily. Uh,

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01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: if it's consumed fresh today, all right, well, we'll go

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Speaker 1: and close it out here, but we would love to

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01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: hear from everyone out there. So right in Weird House Cinema,

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Speaker 1: will remind you, is our our Friday episode in the

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01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: stuff to blow your mind podcast feed. Were primarily a

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Speaker 1: science podcast and we do our core episodes on Tuesdays

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01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: and Thursdays on Monday's we do listener mail. So if

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Speaker 1: if you have thoughts about this or other films, well,

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01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: that's where we we read them, along with feedback. Regarding

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Speaker 1: our other episodes, we have short form monster fact or

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Speaker 1: artifact episodes on Wednesdays and on the weekends we do

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Speaker 1: vault episodes. Those are reruns of past episodes, uh, from

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Speaker 1: from stuff to blow your mind. Oh and one more thing. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So ME TO MUSIC DOT com. That's a blog where

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Speaker 1: I include blog post about the movies we cover on

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Speaker 1: Weird House and if you use letterboxed, that's L E

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Speaker 1: Our user name is Weird House. You can look us up.

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Speaker 1: We have a list on there that has all the

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Speaker 1: films that we've watched on weird how cinema. So if

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Speaker 1: you want a quick, easy to reference, visual, easy to

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01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: sort through, a guide to what we've covered on the

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01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: show before, that's a really great place to go. Huge thanks.

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Speaker 1: As always to our excellent audio producer, Seth Nicholas Johnson.

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01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:23,960
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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,639
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01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,759
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