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Speaker 1: twenty one, we interviewed a man named or A Lee Province.

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Speaker 1: Mr Or passed away on April fourth. It was really

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Speaker 1: Province family onto this episode. This episode is the third

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Speaker 1: We wanted to bring some really relevant content. The first

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Speaker 1: And this episode is about judging bears. Black bears are

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Speaker 1: some of the most difficult animals to judge. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: Ryan is Kobe. You wouldn't know this. Ryan is was

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Speaker 1: you can't always predict what he's gonna do. You can't

428
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: just say, well, the mature boar is gonna just barrel

429
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: in and run everything off the barrel, or you can't

430
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: say the mature boar is gonna be the one that's

431
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: hanging back. And it's really cautious. You don't know what

432
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. But one thing I have noticed is

433
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: that they almost always act different than every animal at

434
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: debate site. That's not gonna play true in every situation.

435
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: But either he's gonna be like the bull of the

436
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: woods and it's just gonna roll in there, and you're

437
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: just gonna be like that animal is the king. I

438
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: would use my example of when I shot that color

439
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: phace bear in Canada that came in and touched into

440
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: my earraw. He was the boss of those woods and

441
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: he just barreled in there and was the king. The

442
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: next well, in the same in the same hunt, a

443
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: bear that was actually bigger than him was the most

444
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: timid bear. You remember the one I missed right man,

445
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: He just tiptoed around and he was a monster bear.

446
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: So those two mature animals, they acted different than every other,

447
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: and all the other ones just kind of am in.

448
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like a sal And this is why I

449
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: don't understand even a mature salve that's been around the

450
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: planet and knows the system, she might just walk in

451
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: and just go right over to the bat and just

452
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: start eating. You know She's So they're just gonna act different.

453
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: So you can't say that they're always gonna be dominant,

454
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: can't say that they're always gonna be super skittish. It

455
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: could be either one. But when I see a bear

456
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: that is acting different than all the other bears that

457
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm seeing, that's what I'm like. He's special. I mean

458
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: like he's he's probably a target animal. Would you agree

459
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: with that? Yeah, it seems like, you know, they're the

460
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: ones that's gonna sit out there on their button sixty

461
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: yards from the bat and check the wind. Or that's

462
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: these Arkansas bears for sure. Or he could be the

463
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: one that you know, you could have other bears on

464
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: the bat and all of a sudden they wolf and

465
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: take off running and you see one coming. You know

466
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: that's gonna be more mature bear, right, I mean, there's

467
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: no way that that bear I got last year and

468
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: minute Toba didn't smell us. He just didn't care. Yeah,

469
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: that's right. He came right under our stand and just

470
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: ran everything off, and he he didn't care. It's a

471
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: different ball game, I think and Canadian provinces where they

472
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: don't get pressured as like we do, you know down here,

473
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: I think Saskatch like when we're at Saskatchewan. I mean

474
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 1: then bears don't know you from any other animal. They

475
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: don't have any fear. They're not trying to be dangerous.

476
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: They're curious. But down here the bear usually don't do

477
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: that unless it's a hind them, like white tails down here. Yeah, yeah,

478
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: there's there're spooky, they're skittish. I think Canada they're typically

479
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: less skittish. There's an inverse relationship between the amount of

480
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: exposure to humans and their fear of humans. So in

481
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: places where they never encounter humans, there's less fear. Places

482
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: where they encounter humans all the time, there's more fear.

483
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: It's SEMs like could be the opposite. You'd think they

484
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: just get used to you down here and so they

485
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: would be different, but it's it's in verse. Yeah. So

486
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: that's something that's confusing to people because most people don't

487
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: have the view of bears like somebody would have that

488
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: he's hunted down here, but he's also hunted a lot

489
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: up there. So a lot of guys, you know, you

490
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: write an article about using sent control for bears, and

491
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: the guys in Canada are like you, guys don't know

492
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Sin control doesn't mean a thing.

493
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you. In Canada, I believe

494
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: sent control basically means nothing. Now, if I had the

495
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: choice of being clean and having the wind in my favor,

496
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: for sure, you're better off if they don't know you're there.

497
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: But every big bear I've ever killed in Canada knew

498
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: I was there and didn't care. But in Arkansas, and Ryan,

499
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: you're an expert here in Arkansas at pulling these big

500
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: bears out of the out of the haystack. You gotta

501
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: do a lot of things right down here at big Bear.

502
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: I think I've been fortunate though, with locations being you know,

503
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: I've been lucky to have places where bears already living,

504
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, uh, they don't have to travel far to

505
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: get to me. I'm actually in places that have water,

506
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: have shade, they're thick, and don't have any human disturbance,

507
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: So That's probably been my key, you know, to harvesting

508
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: been picky on. You're also you're I mean, most of

509
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: these big bears that you've killed, if they would have

510
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: straight up smelled you, they wouldn't have come in during daylight.

511
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think so very few. That's been what I've

512
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: seen here in Arkansas is that if you were hunting,

513
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: let's say eight years hunting big bears, maybe one maybe

514
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: two of those eight years, you would get lucky and

515
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: if a bear knew you were there, he would come in. Anyway.

516
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: I keep going back to my friend Heath Martin, who's

517
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: a great bear hunter in Arkansas. He killed a big bear,

518
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: one of his biggest bears ever, Boot and Crock a bear,

519
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: uh several years ago, and that bear knew they were there.

520
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: It had just set out there for a long time

521
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: winding them and it just kind of about dark. It

522
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: just it was like, well, I'm just gonna ease in there,

523
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: and that bear just eased in and would look up

524
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: at him, and he kills a bear. That's an exception.

525
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: Most of the time you're not gonna kill that animal.

526
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: But again two and eight or two and ten, you're

527
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: gonna if a bear knows you're there. Now. What you've

528
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: been able to do is you know these locations, Well,

529
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: you're hunting these stands, you're getting up and so these

530
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: bears you're killing just don't know you're there. You got

531
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: good setups, You're in places where the bears want to be.

532
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't mess around in the woods either. You know,

533
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: when I go in and bait, I'm not walking across

534
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: the fence. I'm not walking out bear trails. You know.

535
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: I'll go in, bait quick, get out, you know. And

536
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people too are hanging their

537
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: stands or two days before season. I do that in summer.

538
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: You know, some of these older bears will come in

539
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: and before they get to the bait, they want to

540
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: scent check that tree that has stand in it to

541
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: see if you've climbed it. So and over the years

542
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy. I've piled dead brush around the

543
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 1: actual tree. I have a stand in kind of as

544
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: as a barrier. I mean, a bear could go through it,

545
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: and but it looks like a rat's nest around the

546
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: base of this tree. They can't get to that tree

547
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: and really sent check whether I've climbed up it or

548
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: not ye, but I'm a little crazy. But just man,

549
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: you've got every right to be crazy because, like I said,

550
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: and a couple of other podcasts, I think you've killed

551
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: You've killed a ton of big bears in Arkansas seemed

552
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: to keep pulling mount What would you say if you

553
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: were judging bears in Arkansas? What are you looking for?

554
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: We're hunting bar bears in the fall, which we've We've

555
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: also said there's a difference between judging spring bears up

556
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: north or in Montana versus hunting a fall bear here

557
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: in Arkansas. And I mean, and we're when we're hunting

558
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: around here, we're really after an older age classman. What

559
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: would what were the defining characteristics? You know, they don't

560
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: have thick fur up in that time the year, you know,

561
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: late summer, but you know frame length. Uh, you know,

562
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: like I said, you want to look at their pads.

563
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: The risks characteristics is how they respond a lot of

564
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: times to the bait. But I think you'll you'll know,

565
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: I mean, especially if if a person is running trail cams,

566
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: which you know, I guess everybody does. Uh, you'll give

567
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: you a general idea on what to look for. Distinct

568
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: markings maybe a crest on the chest or a notched deer,

569
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: you know something. So you have to target bear that

570
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: you've evaluated on trail camera, and then you just got

571
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: to make sure that's the bear you're shooting and he's

572
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: coming in. Yeah. Well, for these big, big fall bears

573
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: that we're hunting here in Arkansas, a lot of times

574
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: what we're looking for is weight, you know. I mean,

575
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: that's what you're looking for in these big bears here

576
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: are gonna have not always but sometimes sagging bellies, sometimes

577
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: flat bellies, but they're gonna not have a lot of

578
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: air in between the ground and their belly. They're gonna

579
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: be tall, they're gonna look like an angus bull. I mean.

580
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: But even even in big bears, right, if you have

581
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: two five pound bears, they could look different. Like you

582
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: could have a short, fat bear that was a little

583
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: bit shorter, squatty or fatter, or you could have a

584
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: huge frame bear like Batman who squared eight foot and

585
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: was seven ft something from nose to tail, I mean,

586
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: he was he had a frame man um. But you

587
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: could also have a five hundred pound bear like rock Slide.

588
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: The spear that I've gotten out in the office, he

589
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: was only six ft six from nose to tell really,

590
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: so I mean he was six inches shorter from those

591
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: to tail. But I believe that he would have weighed

592
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: in the same class as that other killed him late

593
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: in the year or two, probably when he had been

594
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: feeding on masts, so he was blown up from I

595
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: think on a baited hunt. Also, you could say, if

596
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: you've been baiting for a month and you've got a

597
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: mature bear that's been eating donuts taken in thousands and

598
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: thousands of calories for a month, versus a bear that

599
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: just showed up four days before season, which is gonna

600
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: be lank here may have a big head, boone and

601
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: crocking hound, yeah, but he won't have the belly sack,

602
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, as the one that's been kemped out there

603
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: for a month. Well, the largest skulled bear that I've

604
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: ever taken was a boar bear that only weighed three

605
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: or sixty pounds. Yeah, the bear that I killed this

606
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: year weade five hundred and fifty pounds and had a

607
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: smaller skull than a three and or sixty pound bear.

608
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: That's a good segue into the different ways different people

609
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: in the country gauge the size of a bear. There's

610
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: three ways pretty much. The people gauge bear skull size, weight,

611
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: and square all very very different. You it's hard to

612
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: determine skull size by any characteristic. I mean, like, I

613
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: keep going back to this bear, five hundred fifty pound

614
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: bear that I killed this year in Oklahoma, is gonna

615
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: score on the high nineteens. Yeah, he's not gonna make twenty.

616
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: The biggest bear I've killed was over five hundred and

617
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: it was only nineteen. The biggest weight bear, the biggest

618
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: bears weight over five hundred pounds and had under a

619
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: twenty skull. Then I killed a four four or forty

620
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: bear that actually made Booner twenty five eighths sixteenths excuse me,

621
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: five sixteenths. So that's a great example I want people

622
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: to hear that is that body weight has very little

623
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: to do with skull size. The biggest skulled bear that

624
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: I've ever taken was a six year old bear. My

625
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: big bear was six years old. The name Oklahoma Bear,

626
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: six years old. Um. The this bear right here, this

627
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: rock slide bear that I believe wade five pounds, um,

628
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: he was nine years old. Now in in Batman, the

629
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: five fifty pound bear this year. That's not gonna score

630
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: twenty inches. That's right there, Ryan, We hadn't tooth aged him,

631
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: but I would be shocked if that bear wasn't over

632
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: ten years old. What did he score? Well, I've green

633
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: scored him under twenty, I mean like nineteen in fourteen, sixteens,

634
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean just right there. You know he green scored

635
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: right at twenty I mean twenty and zero sixteen. Well,

636
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: he had the body to make up for it. Yeah.

637
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: And and see that's the thing. And as we're talking

638
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: about trophies, uh, you know, judging these bears, I could

639
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: care less with that bear scored twenty. It would have

640
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: been cool if he'd scored one. I mean I would

641
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: have been thrilled. But in my mind, and for the

642
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: way we're hunting down here, Ryan, we're just after we're

643
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: after a big, older, heavy bear. On top of that,

644
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: you had history with him for what three four years? Yeah,

645
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: about five years. We'd had it probably for five years.

646
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: And he was one of the first bears that was

647
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: over there. You know, he had been tagged at some

648
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: time in his life, but was missing the tags. You know,

649
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: he had holes in his ears and that had been

650
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: really found that, didn't you. Yeah, that had been interesting

651
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: to little No no more about his story. Yeah, he

652
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: had a hole in his ear, Kobe, I wouldn't have

653
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: never known it. Royan was just looking at the bear

654
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, this thing has been tagged. There

655
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: was just a perfect hole running his ear. Tagg had

656
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: pulled out the Game of Fish. Asked me if he

657
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: had a lip tattoo. And I could not discern the

658
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: lip tattoo. No. I look myself and didn't didn't see anything. Yeah,

659
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: but there's another another bear that's out there. Oh, go ahead,

660
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: go ahead, it's in the video. Man, I'm busted now,

661
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah. No, the other bear has two tags. Yeah, yellow,

662
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: yellow tag, and we got the same history with the

663
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: yellow tag and Brian, without my influence, was yellow Tag

664
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: bigger than Batman? I think so. I'd say at least pounds,

665
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: probably at least forty pounds, yeah, probably six pounds beer

666
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: for real. I mean when I saw Batman coming in,

667
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: I recognized that it was Batman. My heart kind of went,

668
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: oh man, it's not yellow Tag, which is ridiculous because

669
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: this is a But that just shows you how big

670
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: deather Bear was. He he was visibly fatter and heavier.

671
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: How much how much he made you think he was

672
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: a hundred pounds more? And that's the thing that really

673
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: we're not I don't think we're even qualified to yes,

674
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: because if you just looked at like body volume and mass,

675
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: me and Dad believed that he weighed a hundred more pounds.

676
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: But it could be scaled though, because maybe Batman had

677
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: a frame like a bull elk, and maybe Yellow Tag

678
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: was just a little bit more compact, so he just

679
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: looked fatter. So maybe he was the same weight, but

680
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: just kind of like a heavy guy that a short,

681
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: fat guy that weighs a hundred ninety pounds versus a tall,

682
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: skinny guy that weighs a hundred nine pounds. You know

683
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Um, So, I don't know, but what

684
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: we're looking for in Arkansas is these big heavy bears.

685
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: That's what we're after. Um. But let's let's go to

686
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: a spotting stock hunt out west Man. You're not gonna

687
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: kill a five d pound um spring black bear in Montana.

688
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: You're probably not gonna kill a five pound bear in Montana. Ever. Uh,

689
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: those bears out western arid regions with less nutrients, they're

690
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: just not as big. That being said, you can still

691
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: kill boone and crocket bear. You could still kill a

692
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: bear with a great, big frame. But what I have

693
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: this goes back to on a spot stock hunt, when

694
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: you're judging a bear from a long distance. You're not

695
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: getting to watch this bear from traill camera. You have

696
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: no experience with this bear you're looking for. You're looking

697
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: for all these characteristics, you know, big front shoulders, stove

698
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: pipe legs, big pads, um, flat belly. Typically a big

699
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: spring bear's gonna have a flat bearre belly, where a

700
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: sow is gonna have more of a pear shaped like

701
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: an angled belly that drops down from a smaller chest

702
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: down into a bigger butt. Okay, a boar is often

703
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: gonna look like a big bull. You know. A good way,

704
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: a good practice test for somebody that's trying to understand

705
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: how to judge bears. I would say, when you're driving

706
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: past cattle fields. Now we're in a part of the

707
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: world we have a lot of cattle. Your eyes scan

708
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: a whole pasture of cattle, and you can immediately pick

709
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: out the bull based upon his length and just his square,

710
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: boxy shape. It's almost like that with bears. Would you agree?

711
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: He's that a good analogy, but you could tell. I mean,

712
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: like you could teach your five year old son what

713
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: the bull is not just by looking at his gear.

714
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: It's rigging, as James Lawrence says, uh, but uh, but

715
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: you're just his body shape, you know. I mean you

716
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: can teach you kids to do that. It's almost like

717
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: the same thing. And it's much easier to determine the

718
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: trophy class of a bear if it's older. Like when

719
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: you get a juvenile male and a juvenile female, that's

720
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: a hard one to determine, am I right? I mean

721
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: that's that's like splitting hairs sometimes, Like if you got

722
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty pound bear out there on the

723
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: side of the mountain, You're like, is that a male

724
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: or female? Boy? Would be hard to tell. When you

725
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: really can tell the difference is is just when you

726
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: get a big, guerrilla like black bear. Like when we

727
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: were in Montana two years ago, we did see two

728
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: big boards that like a thousand yards and they were

729
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: trailing a sow. And I mean almost with your naked eye,

730
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: you could tell that the animal behind that was trailing

731
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: this animal. It was either a cub that was leading

732
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: in a big fat south following a cub, or it

733
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: was a sow with a big heavy boar fall. And

734
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: so it's like when you put the scope up and

735
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: you're like, that's not a cub, that's a board, Like

736
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: it was easy to tell that boar kind of had

737
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: a sway walk. I hear a lot of people talk

738
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: about the way they walk, which that's a That is

739
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: one of the factors. Before I forget it, though, let

740
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: me say this, which is probably the most important factor

741
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: in uh judging bear, is that you've got to use

742
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: multiple factors to determine this bearer. You if you use

743
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: one thing, you'll mess up. And that was the whole

744
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: point of this article that I wrote in the March

745
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: April issue Barony magazine, is that if you just use

746
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: ear size, you're gonna let a whole lot of big

747
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: bears walk off that we're probably shoot your bears if

748
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: you just use um sagging belly. Like if you just

749
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: say I'm not shooting a bear unless there's only eight

750
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: inches of daylight between the ground and the bottom is belly,

751
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: you might end up shooting a sow because you know

752
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: some of these sALS have pot bellies. And are short,

753
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: and if you don't understand scale, you might shoot her.

754
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: So you gotta do multiple things. Look at his pads,

755
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: look at his boxy head, look at his length, look

756
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: at his height. And when you get three two to

757
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: three things that are pointing your two towards older mature mail,

758
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: that's when I can say, yep, that's an animal that

759
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: I want to take. I think that's the best piece

760
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: of advice that's ever been said about by bears. Fair

761
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: The pads on that bear you killed in Ontario, you

762
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: remember them front pads, was that it was like it

763
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: was like he was made to like swim like huge

764
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: pads and some polar bear what have or something. Yeah,

765
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: I do. I don't think I kill the bear pads

766
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: that big sense, I don't think so. I think y'all

767
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: aw teg that's probably got you know what the these

768
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: these bears around here, I just don't see them, even

769
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: the big ones have feet like that though. It was

770
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: like it was just yeah, it really was. It's almost

771
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: like a grizzly bear. But and that would be just

772
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: like a human. Somebody might have big hands, somebody might

773
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: have average sized hands. Okay, so we've talked about uh, wait, square,

774
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: Let's talk about square real quick. Square is the most

775
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: to me, like inaccurate way to judge bears between people,

776
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: because everybody kind of does it different. You hear outfitters

777
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: all the time talking about seven foot bears, and in

778
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: my Canadian hunting career, which is not I've not been

779
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: doing this for twenty years. Don't get me wrong, but

780
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: I've been in quite a few bear camps the last

781
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: six years. I have yet to see a seven foot

782
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: square bear come out of Canada in a camp that

783
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: I have been in. And I have been in some

784
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: camps with some fantastic bears that were killed. Um dog

785
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: gone it. I'm gonna have to recount what I just said. No, no,

786
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: no, no no. My big bear that weighed four and thirty

787
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: five pounds from Ontario. Uh, I squared him after he

788
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: was skin though in tan and he only squared six

789
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: ft eight but green, I have a feeling he would

790
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: have been pushing seven. Yeah, he would have had another

791
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: four inches. I think you would. I think you would have.

792
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: That's my point is is that everybody always says that,

793
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you'll hear outfitters and not to have knocked

794
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: my my good outfitters and I'm not knocking my good ones,

795
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: because the good ones are doing it right. But like

796
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: everybody's like seven foot bear, seven footbear, man, seven foot

797
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: bears are hard to come by, and that's not the

798
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: standard of what is in my book a trophy quality animal.

799
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean, in my book, if I if I've learned this,

800
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: if I see a bear that is six and a

801
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: half foot square, and I'm not determining this in my

802
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: mind before I shoot it, I've just learned when Clay

803
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: Newcom sees a bear and shoots it a lot of times,

804
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: it's about six ft six, you know, I mean that's

805
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: a big bear. Uh In. A six ft six bear

806
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: might have a ton of weight on him. He might

807
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: be boot and crock an animal. Um, But anyway, square

808
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: size is the distance between the base of the tail

809
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: to the tip of the nose on a green hide,

810
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: combined with the distance between claw to claw measurement. Then

811
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: the average of those two numbers. Okay, Um. Lots of

812
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: the Canadian bears I've killed have been in that six

813
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: and a half to six ft eight range, And that's

814
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: a monster bear, monster bear. A lot of guys say

815
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: a six ft bear is a shooter bear. I mean

816
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of a number that's stuwn around as a

817
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: nice six ftbear, you know. Um, you get into the

818
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: five foot bears and you're you're you're you're looking at

819
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: a smaller animal. Um, but so square weight skull size

820
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: spring bears are typically going to be lean lean. I mean,

821
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: you might kill a whopper spring bear that weighs three pounds. Man.

822
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: I hear it all the time on the phone. Runde

823
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: guys call and they're asking me about spring bear hunting,

824
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know what I mean, Like they

825
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: kind of build up like they're they're willing to take

826
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: any you know. It's like I'd just like to kill

827
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: a decent bear. You know, I'd probably even shoot a

828
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: three hundred pound bear if I went up there. And

829
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: when they say that, I realized they don't really know

830
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: what they're talking about, because like they're like the minimum

831
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: I would shoot would be about a three hundred pound bear,

832
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: as if that were a small bear. But what I

833
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: want to say to him is, man, three hundred pounds

834
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: spring bear is a pretty big bear. Three hundred pounds

835
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: when he's got four or five inches the hair, you know,

836
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,959
Speaker 1: winter coat on him. But once you get that hide

837
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: off of him, there's not gonna be much fat, not

838
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: in the spring. Yeah. Yeah, well and all these things

839
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: do that. Is it relevant to the region you're hunting?

840
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah, for sure. I mean, but spring bears all,

841
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: let's just say all over Canada. I mean, no doubt

842
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: every year there are outliers. There's always outliers in anything.

843
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: So you could kill a spring bears five pounds. I

844
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: never have done it. I've never seen it done in

845
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: the camp that I've been in. The biggest spring bears

846
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: I've ever seen killed were probably something that you've killed Ryan,

847
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: that weighed in the three to three fifty range. Biggest

848
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: spring bears I've ever seen. I mean, I've never seen

849
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: one any bigger than probably uh well, I'm I'm thinking

850
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: of that bear you killed in Saskatchewan two years ago.

851
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they just don't get that much bigger. Jared

852
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: Summers killed was Okay, that was a big one. That

853
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: was Yeah, that was a nice beer, very nice beer.

854
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: What would you say that in a way, man, I

855
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know. Probably in the threes. So, you know, I

856
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: think I remember you saying between three fifty and three

857
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: seventy five or something. And I mean that's a whopper

858
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: spring bear. So the point being don't go to don't

859
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: go into the spring really with weight as your way

860
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: to qualify weather bears, the shooter, you'll be disappointed. Um,

861
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: I would go into a spring hunt just looking for

862
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: an older, mature male, you know. And so three things

863
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: skull size, weight, square. Talk about skull size just a minute.

864
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: We we've already touched on. You can't determine and skull

865
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: size by almost anything. Five hundred fifty pound bear that

866
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: doesn't make Boone and Crockett and a three hundred and

867
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: sixty pound bear that does. Um, eighteen inches is the

868
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: minimum for Pope and Young. So once I made a

869
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: graph and put it in Barre Hunting magazine that did

870
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: like a comparative scale between using Pope and young minimums

871
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: for white tail, which people are really familiar with. Like

872
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: if you say hundred in white tail, people are like, okay,

873
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: I know what kind of deal that is. And then

874
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: when you say hundred seventy inch white tail, they go, oh,

875
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: that's a big one. Um. So if eighteen inches was

876
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: equivalent to a hundred twenty five inch white tail and

877
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: twenty one inches was equivalent to a hundred and seventy

878
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: inch white tail. A nineteen inch bear would be equivalent

879
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: to a hundred forty two hundred and fifty inch whitetail.

880
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: So if you think of it like that, I mean

881
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: a hundred not many people are gonna be passing a

882
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: hundred forty hundred fifty inch white tails. Drop that down

883
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: into bears and you see that a nineteen inch bear

884
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: is a nice animal. Um. I mean, like you said,

885
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: you've killed five hundred pound bears that scored in the nineteens,

886
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: as have I. Uh, Kobe, what did your bear score

887
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: in the fall in Manitoba? We refted out eighteen and something.

888
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: It was low eighteens, I think. Okay, So Coby killed

889
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: a bear that was in the three in or fifty

890
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: pound range in the fall. In the spring, that bear

891
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: would have weighed under three and pounds most likely, so,

892
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: I mean, but by August and put on some weight

893
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: was probably the three fifty pound rang three and fifty

894
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: pound range. Um. I actually thought the bear would probably

895
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: have scored more. To me, it looked like it would be.

896
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: I I probably would have said, man, that's got to

897
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: be a nineteen inch plus bear. But it scored just

898
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: over the pope young minimum. Yeah. I think Corey said

899
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: that his bears don't typically have a larger scoll in

900
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: that in that area. I mean like they have good schools,

901
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: but compared to their body weight, like that ratio is

902
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: they have some big they do, and they do have

903
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: some big body bears up there and fall. I mean

904
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: they're killing some four pound bears. The bear I killed

905
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: Saskatchewan with it two years ago head looked big, but

906
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: once we got the hide off of it, he didn't

907
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: have a occipital protruded back. It's like it was just gone. Man.

908
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that one, because that taught me a lot. Ryan.

909
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: When I recovered that bear, I was with you when

910
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: you we recovered the bear. The bear had canines that

911
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: were war I mean, it had every indication of it

912
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: being an older male. I mean an old warrior, big head,

913
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: big feet, big body, I mean, square head. And I

914
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: told Ryan, I said, I'll bet you my truck that

915
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: that bear scores over twenty inches. Do you remember me

916
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: saying that. I mean, it was like that bear is

917
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: going to score over twenty inches. And when we got

918
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: back and I brought my calipers and we scored your

919
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: bear and my bear, Ryan, my color bear was a

920
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: much was a lesser bear, I mean big time, body, size, length, everything,

921
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: but that color bear had a bigger skull than yours.

922
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: And and it was because you know, you measure bear

923
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: skull based up on the length and the width of

924
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: the dried skull. And uh, the occipital bone is this

925
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: wing bone that sticks off the back of the skull.

926
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: In Ryan's bear, it was just like flat back there.

927
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: And most of these bears that score good have this

928
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: big wing that flows off the back like a pterodactyl

929
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: head or I mean tarodactyls. If you killed and I

930
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: mean you scared to score those, yeah, that's a good way.

931
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, it's it's just like point off

932
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: the back of the head. So that's a good example.

933
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: So bear skulls are all over the place. A lot

934
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: of it all has to do with genetics. I've asked

935
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: some of the best bear biologists in the country their

936
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: thoughts on whether a bear skull actually grows over time,

937
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: and the best answer there, to my knowledge, there's been

938
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: no real scientific studies because does a ten year old

939
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: bear like batman, would he have kept growing? Let's just

940
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: say he's ten years old. If I had killed him

941
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: when he was twenty years old, would he have scored more?

942
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: Here's my philosophy, maybe a little bit. I think these

943
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: older bears add some bone mass to to to the skull.

944
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: But I do not believe that he would have ever

945
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: been aye bear. I just don't think he was gonna

946
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: add an inch. It seems like they get them little

947
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: calcified growths. You know a lot of these little ridges.

948
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: And have you noticed that older bear is gonna have

949
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: a lot of calcification on the skull. Where where a

950
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: young bear is just smooth like butter, just smooth all

951
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: over the skull, old bear is gonna have ridges and

952
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: fissures and little bumps. And that's where I think that

953
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: they might add some bone ask that may account for

954
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: some growth. But I keep going back to my the

955
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: one Boone and crocketbear I've ever killed that had a

956
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: he was six years old and had a twenty and

957
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: eight sixteenth cent skull like he he he may have

958
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: been Boone and Crockett when he was four years old,

959
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: but he had a smooth skull. I mean, maybe he

960
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: would have grown a litit over time, but it's genetics,

961
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: just like is a seventeen year old boy, all right,

962
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: let's say eighteen nineteen year old boy. He's got the

963
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: frame that he's gonna carry his whole life. He's not

964
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: growing still, you know. So I've never really been able

965
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: to find a real concrete scientific answer about that because

966
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: they've just never it's just not something that they're studying, Uh,

967
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: that I found yet. Maybe somebody's got a better answer.

968
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: But I'd like to find a bear that had a

969
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: skull like Brent Reeves has, Scott Man. Brent Reeves, Yeah,

970
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: I agree, Brent would be like, uh, he would be

971
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: like one of those like big wristed, big hand meaty

972
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: kind of squatty bears. He's even got the small ears too,

973
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: He's got small ears. Yeah. Oh, Brent Reeves. I'm glad

974
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: he's not here right now. Me too, Brent. Brent Reeves

975
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: never listens to the Bear Honey Magazine podcast. That joker, Brent.

976
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: When you hear this text me, Oh okay, guys, difference

977
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: between spring and spring and fall scale. Let's hit one

978
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: more thing. Scale is everything. Guys make this mistake all

979
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: the time, is that they see a bear, they shoot it.

980
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: They go up to it. They think it's a big bear,

981
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: but it's a small bear. Scale So if you're spotting

982
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: style hunting out out in Montana, you need to have

983
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: a general understanding of the plants around that animal. I mean, like,

984
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: when I was in Montana, I knew that there were

985
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: these certain bushes they were about thirty inches tall. And

986
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: if I was looking at the bear a thousand yards

987
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: away and those bushes were everywhere, you know, and he

988
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: was walking through that, I was like, dang, his shoulders

989
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: are way up above those bushes, or if they were

990
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: below it. And man, if that bear was just out

991
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: on a barren hillside, it would have been almost impossible

992
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: quickly to determine. But so you gotta have scale. So

993
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: if you're hunting over a bait site, you've got to

994
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: understand what sized barrels there are. I've got a story

995
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: when I was in Saskatchewan the first year, I had

996
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: in my mind that you could you would shoot a

997
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: bear if his if he was as tall as the barrel.

998
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: That was the one factor that I was looking for. Well,

999
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: a bear came in the first day that was as

1000
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: tall as the barrel. I shot him and it was

1001
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: a lesser bear and it was because the barrel had

1002
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: been dug into the ground by the bears digging grease

1003
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: out from underneath it, so the barrel was sitting in

1004
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: six inch hole. So this average bear looked like a

1005
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: bear that was big. And that goes back to you

1006
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: gotta have more than one factor. But you've got to

1007
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: understand scale. So whether it's trees, whether it's bushes, whether

1008
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: it's a bait barrel, whether it's a mark on a

1009
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: tree that indicates you know, a thirty six inch tall bear,

1010
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: you gotta have scale because a hundred pound bear walking

1011
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: through the woods can look real similar to a two

1012
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: fifty pound bear. It's all about scale. We talked about, Uh,

1013
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: Paul's to me, the biggest thing of a of a

1014
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: big boar is height. I can't get away from that

1015
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: height and Paul shape. That's the way I personally determined.

1016
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: There's gonna be things that different people probably pick up on. Uh.

1017
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: We talked about determining the sex of bears, which is

1018
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: an important part, and we talked about the they're not

1019
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: necessarily myths, but they're not the whole truth. So small

1020
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: ears is not a myth, A crease on the head

1021
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: is not a myth when you're termined in a big bear.

1022
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: But it's not the whole story. If that's all you know,

1023
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a mistake a few times out of ten,

1024
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: you know. And uh again. As we close down the podcast,

1025
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: I go back to this thing about we're not just

1026
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: talking about trophy hunting from an aspect of we just

1027
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: want to bring home the biggest animal possible. Trophy hunting

1028
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: is pretty cool because we're after older mature males. That's

1029
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: the best thing to take out of the population. It's

1030
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: the best thing for the population to extract older mature

1031
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: males that have already contributed to the gene pool. And

1032
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: trophy hunting, my friends, is actually what saved North American

1033
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: big game by taking the emphasis off the young and

1034
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: the females and putting it on the older mature males.

1035
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: So man, I will take zero flat from anyone on

1036
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: the planet saying that we're trophy hunters because we want

1037
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: to kill big bears and not little ones. Who is

1038
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: the conservation hero my brothers, the guy that shoots the

1039
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: first juvenile bear to the barrel and post a picture

1040
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: on Facebook and brags about he's not a trophy hunter

1041
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: and he's extracted this animal out of the population before

1042
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: it can contribute to the gene pool or the brethren

1043
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:09,479
Speaker 1: like in this room. Wait, but the big ones take

1044
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: out the big older mature male has already contributed to

1045
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: the gene pool, and we hang his high on our walls.

1046
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: We eat his flesh, and we revel in the glory

1047
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: that he had while he was on the earth for

1048
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: such a long time because he was an older but

1049
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: sure male, are you with me? Yeah? Uh? Is it

1050
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: not true though? Yeah? I mean guys that like, sometimes

1051
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: people feel like they there's some honor in shooting smaller

1052
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: animals and claiming not to be a trophy hunter and

1053
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: get like, like trophy hunting as it's understood in the

1054
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: general hunting populace, it's bad. I mean, like somebody that would,

1055
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: for just ego purposes, want to shoot a big bear.

1056
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean, do I want to shoot a big bear? Yes, sir,

1057
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: I do. Why because I like big bear bear hides

1058
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: on my wall. I like more bear meat rather than

1059
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: less bear meat. But I also understand the macro goals

1060
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: of bear hunting, and it is better to take out

1061
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: an older mature male than it is to take out

1062
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: a juvenile female. You've got your weekend warriors though that

1063
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: you know don't bear hunt much, and they're happy just

1064
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: to kill a bear, and there's nothing wrong with that.

1065
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: And I don't want to you. I appreciate you saying

1066
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: that because I don't want to trash that guy, which

1067
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm not. But where are we going with that? I

1068
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: want to kill the next hundred pound bearrassy, there's a

1069
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: fine line. Let mean, like with youth hunters or everybody

1070
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: does have to evaluate their opportunity. And I'll be the

1071
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: first to say that for the I mean, I have

1072
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to hunt bearss and so I I would hope

1073
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: that I'm selective. But you may go on one bear

1074
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: hunt in your life and on the final day of

1075
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: the hunt a juvenile bear comes in shoot it. So

1076
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: I really I appreciate you saying that, right because I

1077
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: don't want to have an elitist mentality. But I also

1078
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: don't want to give somebody to credit who is dogging

1079
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: somebody that kills a bunch of big bears because they

1080
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: don't have that opportunity. Is that is that fair? YEA, yeah,

1081
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: But well, I mean starting out, we killed smaller bears,

1082
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: and after so many years. You don't want to kill,

1083
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, a smaller bear, just just like deer hunting.

1084
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: I guess here gays looking for that next deer and

1085
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't want to make the standards so

1086
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: high that you take the joy and fun out of hunting.

1087
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you don't have big bears, then

1088
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: there's no sense and setting your goals that high. I

1089
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: mean really here in Arkansas, I mean there are places

1090
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: where you're just not gonna kill a big bear. So

1091
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: if you're trying to kill five hundred pound bear, you're

1092
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: just not everyone kill one. So I mean, you know,

1093
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: put that standard down lower man, that's cool. You go

1094
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: to Canada on a once in a lifetime trip, Uh,

1095
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: you you just want to evaluate the situation and not

1096
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: kill hunter pound bear on the first day, when if

1097
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: you'd wait until day three, you could have taken a

1098
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: a nicer, older, mature male. Yeah. I mean, that's that's

1099
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: kind of where I fit inside of it. When I

1100
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: take my kids hunting, it's different when I take I

1101
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: mean everything, everything is different. But I feel like bear

1102
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: hunters need to have the knowledge in the ability to

1103
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: articulate even what I just said about older mature males

1104
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: and not being picked on by people who say you're

1105
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: a trophy hunter because you kill big animals. I mean,

1106
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: I won't take it for a second. Um so that

1107
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: there's this, But at the same time, hunting it is

1108
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: about enjoyment. It is about I mean, a young bear.

1109
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: It's arguable, Batman, his meat tastes incredible, but it's arguable

1110
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: that a young bear might taste better than an old bear.

1111
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: Not always the case, but could be. So. I mean,

1112
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: maybe your goals are different. The main thing is, whatever

1113
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: your goal is, just stick to it. The guy that

1114
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: I kind of, you know that I feel the liberty

1115
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: to rib would be the guy that claims to be

1116
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: wanting to wait for an older bear, but then just

1117
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: shoots one the first day just because he's impatient, when

1118
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: he had all this opportunity for another one, you know.

1119
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't want to I don't want to

1120
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: hit on anybody. But these things are true that we say.

1121
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: Do you guys agree, sir? What closing comments? Flint face Grib?

1122
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, you've kind of covered everything. We've

1123
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: covered it. Kobe, Well, I was just thinking about whenever

1124
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: I got the barrel last year, and manu, it's told

1125
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: but how we couldn't measure his height because the barrel

1126
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: was on the side, and so the thing we used

1127
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: was to, uh, it's like, will he fit in the barrel? No,

1128
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: he's a good one, that's yeah. Yeah, I've heard it

1129
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: told me that is is he said. One thing he

1130
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: used to tell his clients was would that air fit

1131
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: into a gallon drum? I've used that analogy myself while

1132
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: Bear has been on the site. Yeah, looking, man, if

1133
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: I pop the top off that barrel with that bear

1134
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: fit in there, yeah, and a in a bear over

1135
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds, it's gonna you're gonna be like, man,

1136
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: if you fit, he'd barely fit, right, I mean, if

1137
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 1: if it's just like for sure, yeah, it's probably under

1138
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: a three inner pound bear. But now, every part of

1139
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: the country is different, everybody has different standards, and and again,

1140
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: the hunt is all about the experience and the adventure

1141
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: and the goals that you've set for yourself. So but these, hey, guys,

1142
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: these principles will help somebody judge bear and uh, hey, awesome,

1143
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: this is this has been I think a lot of

1144
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: information inside of this podcast, and uh, thank you guys

1145
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: for being here and thank you. Ryan, appreciate it. Coming up, man, Kobe,

1146
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: you were here and we'll be here when this podcast

1147
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: is over, so you didn't really have to go anywhere. Yeah,

1148
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: but thanks for being here, Kobe. All right, keep the

1149
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: wild places wild because that's where the Bears live. H