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Speaker 2: other news being finalized this morning, the Steelers dump wide

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Speaker 2: receiver George Pickens to the Cowboys for draft picks, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not so. I think that there was a lot

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Speaker 2: of chatter leading up to the draft that they were

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Speaker 2: trying to do this, or they might do this, and

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Speaker 2: then I thought, are they going to draft a wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: which they didn't, and then George Pickens goes to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: You look at the Pittsburgh side of this and you go,

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Speaker 2: what's this mean for Aaron Rodgers? If anything, he's going

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Speaker 2: to say, well, I got DK Metcalf and a couple

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Speaker 2: of guys that're not familiar with, got a pretty good

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Speaker 2: tight end, got rid of Nog Harris. Maybe it's Mason

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Speaker 2: Rudolph's team, but this guy would know better than I.

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Speaker 2: It's Jerry Dulac joining us again. Steeler's coverage with the

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Post Gazette and the Steelers Radio network. How surprised

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Speaker 2: were you that this move took place?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was, obviously.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't shocked because I knew they were going to

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Speaker 4: move on him at some point.

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Speaker 5: Dan.

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Speaker 4: They were never going to give George Pickens a second contract.

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Speaker 4: That was never going to happen, And I never thought

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Speaker 4: they would just let him walk when they didn't take

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Speaker 4: a receiver. I thought they were content to go into

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Speaker 4: the season with a you know, a double barreled receiving

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Speaker 4: room with DK Metcalf and George Pickens. But you know,

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Speaker 4: a coach told me this a long time ago, Dan,

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Speaker 4: and it's still true. When the production outweighs the aggravation,

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Speaker 4: you keep them. When the aggravation out weighs the production,

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Speaker 4: you get rid of them. And that's what happens with

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Speaker 4: George Pickens. They just thought that, you know, his teammates.

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Speaker 4: It was a problem in the locker room. It became

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Speaker 4: a problem with Mike Tomlin. It wasn't just his on

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Speaker 4: field temperament and behavior, you know, repeated violations off the field,

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Speaker 4: late for meetings, skipping meetings, late to games. It was

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Speaker 4: just on and on, and it just got to the

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Speaker 4: point where they weren't especially after they traded for DK Metcalf,

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Speaker 4: they just weren't going to tolerat it anymore.

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Speaker 6: Dan, what are the Cowboys getting?

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Speaker 4: They're getting, you know, both a problem and problematic receiver.

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Speaker 4: There's no question he is a big play guy. But

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Speaker 4: you know, I severely doubt that his on the field

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Speaker 4: temperament is going to change. You know, they're going to

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Speaker 4: deal with a guy who's you know, is he all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden be going to become a mister discipline?

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Speaker 3: I doubt it.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to pick on the guy. I only

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Speaker 4: know what they saw and what we saw for three

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Speaker 4: years with the Steelers, so there's no question about his

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Speaker 4: talent level. But you know, sometimes it's it's about more

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Speaker 6: This move impact Aaron Rodgers' decision.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think so. They don't think so.

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Speaker 4: You know, from their end, it doesn't have any impact

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Speaker 4: will say this, Dan, And of course this was certainly

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Speaker 4: no motivation for making the deal. But Aaron Rodgers didn't

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Speaker 4: get to where he is as a future Hall of

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Speaker 4: Famer by being an undisciplined fly by the CD of

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Speaker 4: Pans quarterback, which is kind of the description you can

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Speaker 4: apply to George pick You know, I think Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 4: but that would mesh very well, So, you know it.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say it might be a blessing

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Speaker 4: and enticement for Aaron Rodgers to come. I don't think

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Speaker 6: Any news on the Aaron Rodgers front.

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Speaker 4: I wish I could tell you some, Dan, I mean

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Speaker 4: do that. They are still willing to do that. You know,

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Speaker 4: Mini camp is in uh excuse me, ot as the

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Speaker 3: There's still time.

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Speaker 4: And then of course, you know, you get into the

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Speaker 4: mini camp, which is a I gauge everything about the

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Speaker 4: which is where Mini camp is. So you know there's

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Speaker 3: For him to come.

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Speaker 6: Is there a plan B.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you touched on it, Mason Rodgers. But I think

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Speaker 4: even if that is the case, Dan, they will go

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Speaker 4: out and sign some other veteran quarterback. I really don't

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Speaker 4: don't think they're really going to rely on a rookie

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Speaker 4: even though some of those have been picked over, that's

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Speaker 4: one of the downsides of this Aaron Rodgers delay. I

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Speaker 4: still believe they will try to sign some veteran quarterback

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Speaker 4: to come in and be the number two behind Mason

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Speaker 4: Rudolph if Aaron Rodgers falls through. But they firmly believe

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Speaker 4: Dan that he is coming.

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Speaker 2: But if you look at where they are talent level,

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Speaker 2: you know, are they the third best team in their division?

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Speaker 2: Would you put obviously Baltimore? Would you put Cincinnati above them?

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Speaker 4: You know, Dan, last year, after acquiring Russell Wilson and

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Speaker 4: they were nine win team. The year before, I automatically

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Speaker 4: I thought they were a ten win team. I don't

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Speaker 4: So I don't know if that means it's ten wins,

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Speaker 3: We saw that at the end of the year.

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Speaker 6: Steelers gonna pony up for TJ.

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Speaker 3: Watt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, Dan, You know, you go back

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Speaker 4: in their history, I can't think of one player, one

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Speaker 4: He should have just signed Franco for everything he meant

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Speaker 4: to the franchise.

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 3: TJ.

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Speaker 4: Watt doesn't want to leave, and they don't want him

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Speaker 4: to leave, so I expect that to happen.

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Speaker 6: I'll leave you with this.

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Speaker 2: With Pittsburgh, Mike Tomlin's not afraid to bring in guys

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Speaker 2: they've gone through a lot of wide receivers.

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Speaker 6: It feels like.

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Speaker 2: They can't and then they don't draft one when they

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Speaker 2: the Steelers get criticized locally for the kind of the

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's any question they get criticized locally

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Speaker 4: you know, to me, I don't want to see her

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Speaker 4: and call it a Mike Tomlin faulk. But Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 4: I think that people here are very much aware of it,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I always go back to this

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Speaker 2: can pinpoint that concussion that changed Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 4: You know, then that kind of theory has been advanced.

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Speaker 4: I have been told, you know, medically, that that wasn't

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Speaker 4: the case. The Steelers believe that the money changed Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 4: But whatever it was, that sense of entitlement reached a point.

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Speaker 4: You know, they traded him for a fifth round pick,

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Speaker 4: so people think like they're getting short changed for a

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Speaker 3: They are not.

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Speaker 4: I think they're a little spoiled by the fact that

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Speaker 4: from the desperate.

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Speaker 3: Chicago Go Bear.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I don't know if you know this

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Speaker 4: from not Dan. For five years I did a weekly

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Speaker 4: radio show with Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 5: And I did.

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Speaker 3: I liked the kid, I did.

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Speaker 4: But you saw him later the last couple of years

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Speaker 4: change and his insubordination that last year with the Steelers,

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Speaker 4: from from his teammates to his coaches, to the general

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Speaker 4: manager to the team owner was unlike anything I've ever

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Speaker 4: seen happen in the Steeler family, and so that's why

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Speaker 4: they had.

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Speaker 3: To move on from him.

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Speaker 6: Great stuff. We'll be in touch this summer. Thank you, Jerry.

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Speaker 4: All right, Dan, you got it man, all right?

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Speaker 2: Government the Steelers for decades. Jerry Doula for the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: Post Gazette, Steelers Radio Network. You know, George Pickens was

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Speaker 2: But even Tomlin not changing these guys, as you know,

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Speaker 2: what are you thinking? This isn't the Pittsburgh Steeler way.

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Speaker 7: Yes, you know the only thing that I thought about

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Speaker 6: There is maybe the possibility that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I knew it.

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Speaker 3: I knew it.

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, let's bring

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Speaker 3: We need.

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Speaker 6: And then boy Dollar. And yes, when you.

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Speaker 8: Look at the Cowboys, they're accustomed to bringing in guys

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Speaker 8: But it also seems the opposite, like going to Dallas

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Speaker 8: if you have issues already, would seem to exacerbate it,

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Speaker 2: And all of these guys one third touches, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's just that that's a Molotov cocktail where you just go, hey,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it feels like in that position though, you need

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Speaker 7: somebody to help Ceedee Lamb get open. So now you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know, I know, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Seed.

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Speaker 7: He better get his touches though, That's all I'm saying, right,

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 7: I love that if he does, and his mom's gonna

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Speaker 2: Is send him to the commanders. Josh in Pennsylvania, Hi, Josh,

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Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 6: As Ceedee Lamb is your guy? Ferguson's a good time, Josh?

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Speaker 3: Hi from Las Vegas?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Oh so wait I got Dawn?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Well, okay, where's Josh?

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Speaker 3: I'm here?

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Speaker 5: Okay dp uh five ten fifty kids. I'm just saying

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Speaker 5: I put money on the Giants making the playoffs over

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys.

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, uh with.

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Speaker 5: Their defense and sophomore wide receiver and our veteran quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Does anybody want a piece of Josh that the the

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Speaker 6: Paul, make the playoffs, make the playoffs?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, take that, take just send over the money.

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Speaker 3: Now, all right?

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Speaker 2: How about a pie to the face, Josh, A pie

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Speaker 2: to the face. I'll take it, all right, fair enough?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 7: Is that the New York Giants just double checking?

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Speaker 1: Rick?

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Speaker 7: And Oh wait, I have to just quickly so that

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Speaker 7: bet was that the Giants will make the play.

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Speaker 6: He says they will. The bet that I had.

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Speaker 7: With Paul and Jay earlier was that the Cowboys won't

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Speaker 6: You guys are taking the Cowboys won't make the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: So Paul, you're taking that the Giants are in the

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: He's got the Giants not in the playoffs, okay, and

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Speaker 6: But Shay didn't take that bet. Okay, got it. I'm

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Speaker 6: Rick in Ohio? Hi, Rick, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 9: Hey Dan? Thanks for taking the call. Take a look

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Speaker 9: at the Pittsburgh receivers. What do you think about Amari

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Speaker 9: But none of the receivers really stood out. But give

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't is he available?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he's going to call us, I

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Speaker 2: When if you're a running back or wide receiver, you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Marvin Amari Cooper, Halla, very good. Yeah, he's good.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah did okay, one of the great shooters of all

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Speaker 2: This stat about the Indiana Pacers is just unbelievable. Since

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, playoff teams are three and one thousand,

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Speaker 2: three wins in both this postseason. Somehow, some way came

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Speaker 2: back to win that game last night, but they needed

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Speaker 2: going into Game two after stealing Game one last night.

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Speaker 2: A couple of game twos tonight, and you got the

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Speaker 2: and the thunder Ray Allen Hall of Famer and two

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Speaker 2: time NBA champ joining us on the program. You put

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Speaker 2: up all those numbers in Seattle. You spent five years

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Speaker 2: in Seattle, correct, yep? Okay, are those numbers now attached

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Speaker 2: to the Oklahoma City Thunder since the SuperSonics went to Oka.

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Speaker 2: See like, could your jersey number be retired by OKAC

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Speaker 2: based off what you did in Seattle?

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Speaker 13: Technically I think it could be, but I think for

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Speaker 13: that city. And nobody in Oklahoma City really had ever

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Speaker 13: watched me play in that city, so I don't think.

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Speaker 3: And it's ownership mandate as well, so I don't think

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Speaker 2: Is there a building where your jersey is up in

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Speaker 2: the rafters in Seattle?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: In Key Arena, Okay, I would say possibly, but it's

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Speaker 3: I don't even know they use it for anymore.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's a couple of things I'm want to talk

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Speaker 2: to you about. The Celtics keep shooting threes the other night? Yeah, now,

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Speaker 2: you had a game. I think you went over thirteen

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Speaker 2: from three point range. But as a great shooter, you're

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Speaker 2: told to keep shooting. But at what point do you

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Speaker 2: stop shooting threes? If you're the Celtics the other night?

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Speaker 2: Or do you stop shooting threes?

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Speaker 13: Well, the other night, I think the Celtics shot sixty

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Speaker 13: Knicks kept kind of plugging them away, and they're plugging

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Speaker 13: The next word, obviously Brussel's getting so many mid range shots,

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Speaker 13: the Celtics ever built their rhythm offensively. Now they take

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Speaker 13: a lot of threes early, and they take them throughout

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Speaker 13: That's kind of where there was a hole in that

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Speaker 13: just kind of establishing rhythm as opposed to just kind

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Speaker 3: Early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought, you know, go inside, get fouled,

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Speaker 2: up all this and just get something there. That's what

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Speaker 2: was surprising. But the analytics say, I think to keep

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Speaker 2: shooting the threes, don't they.

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Speaker 13: highly successful at it. So it's hard to stop what

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Speaker 13: But you have to take into account that the game

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Speaker 13: and you're putting so much pressure on Tatum. He makes

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Speaker 13: and I was like, okay, that steady the offense a

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Speaker 13: Berman as supposed to just turn around to get something easy,

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Speaker 13: and it is hopefully. You know, they'll look at the

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Speaker 13: capable of making they shots, but to make it easier

442
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 13: on yourself, you know, it's hard in a playoff situation

443
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 13: because you know you could make those shots. So I

444
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 13: just think to start the game tonight, they had to

445
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 13: make sure that they get to the free throw line

446
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 13: early and establish something in the paint from the standpoint

447
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 13: of driving and getting some easy stuff. Because as a shooter,

448
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 13: I'll tell you I did not want to start a

449
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 13: game shooting at three because if you miss, then you

450
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 13: start pressing, and then you start pressing. I didn't want

451
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 13: to have to feel like I was pressing. In Boston,

452
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 13: we had so many good players that score, so I

453
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 13: want to make sure I got to the basket early

454
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 13: if I could.

455
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: Talking to Ray Allen, former three point Shooting Contest winner

456
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and one, do you practice missing

457
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 2: free throws? We saw that with Tyrese Haliburton, because you

458
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: know he's got to miss the free throw, but you

459
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: got to miss it correctly to get a chance. Do

460
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 2: you practice missing free throws?

461
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 13: Well, I mean it sounds funny, but you know how

462
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 13: to miss and it's just kind of being off and

463
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 13: obviously you're looking to who your best rebounder is on

464
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 13: what side. So yeah, there is some precision to being

465
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 13: able to miss a free throw. I can't say that

466
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 13: I practiced it, but I definitely know how to aim

467
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 13: up there and get it to bounce on one side

468
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 13: or the other.

469
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: Well, you did practice making them, though, you did a

470
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: really good job at that.

471
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: I did.

472
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: I did.

473
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 3: I was pretty good at it.

474
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I never understood that.

475
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: Explain to me what happens when guys go to the

476
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 2: free throw line and all of a sudden they they

477
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: free You know, they're it's not fluid. They like everything slows,

478
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: you know, it stops. Maybe that's what it is. Guys

479
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 2: you used to moving, all of a sudden, it stops.

480
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: But the mind games that go on with these guys

481
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: who can't shoot free throws.

482
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 13: Well, it's simpler when you think about golf. When you

483
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 13: stand to the t box and they call your name

484
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 13: and they say where you're from. Exactolyades, and all of

485
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 13: a sudden, they everybody's quiet. I was like, keep making noise.

486
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 13: Uncomfortable in noise, you know, don't be quiet. I think

487
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 13: what people And I say this a lot with free

488
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 13: throw People don't understand how emotional a free throw is.

489
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 13: You know, when you think about a guy going to

490
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 13: the free throw line, and emotions don't always mean anger,

491
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 13: but your your adrenaline is pumping. You just got knocked

492
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 13: on your butt. You know you're either down to or

493
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 13: you're up to. You just dunked on somebody. All these

494
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 13: emotions are inside of you, and for most players, imagine

495
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 13: a situation in practice where you practice those emotions. It's

496
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 13: hard to practice feeling competitive, to practice feeling angry, to

497
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 13: practice feeling anxious, practice feeling desperate. How do you do

498
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 13: that in the gym by yourself? And so you have

499
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 13: to figure out a way when you practice to take

500
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 13: that quiet gym and make yourself tired, make yourself mad,

501
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 13: make yourself excited, because that feeling you have to get.

502
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: Used to in a game.

503
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 13: And a lot of times, then when they get into

504
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 13: a game situation, it's a foreign situation for them when

505
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 13: they go to that free throw line, because think about

506
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 13: you take somebody life like Pritchard. You know, Gray Shooter

507
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 13: had a great year, but how often is he at

508
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 13: the free throw line in the fourth quarter if it's

509
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 13: not Tatum or Brown? So now he goes to the

510
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 13: free throw line because it gets out is Sometimes it's

511
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 13: a foreign circumstance or situation for a lot of players,

512
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 13: and that's why you do get nervous because it's like,

513
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 13: I'm not used to this, and I gotta get used

514
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 13: to go.

515
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 3: I gotta be better at figuring out the situation.

516
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: One thing that drives me crazy, and I'm sure I

517
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: drive my audience crazy because I bring it up all

518
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: the time. I never want the best player to beat me. Never,

519
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: I'm always going to send another guy. I got to

520
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: get the ball out of your hands. I want somebody

521
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 2: who's not used to taking that shot. And if that

522
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: guy beats me, I live with that. It's like, you know,

523
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: when Jordan beats Brian Russell, they don't send another guy,

524
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: and like, I got to get the ball out of

525
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: his hands, right, Like I don't help me understand that

526
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 2: if Jalen Brunson has the ball, I'm I'm gonna double.

527
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get the.

528
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: Ball out of his hands. I have to do that.

529
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: But why don't more coaches do that?

530
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 13: Well, I think it's a doubleted sword because when you

531
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 13: want you don't want the best player to beat you.

532
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 13: There's some scenarios, some playoff situations you kind of walk

533
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 13: into and you say, he's gonna get his forty.

534
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 3: But we can't let these other guys get off, you know.

535
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 13: So it is each situation from from series the series,

536
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 13: you know, what do you deal with? Like if you

537
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 13: look at Indiana, you got Nessmith that had twenty three,

538
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 13: and Turner had twenty three and nim Hard had thirteen.

539
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the last shot though, This is

540
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: the last shot. That's all I'm talking about. Even Halliburton

541
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: has the ball, that's the guy I know who wants

542
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: the ball. I have to send another guy his way.

543
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let him beat me. And they gave him.

544
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: You know, he created space. It was a tough shot though,

545
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: but he I know, but he's only he's got single

546
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: coverage on it.

547
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean it's always we can be perfect defensively

548
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 13: as a as a scheme, you know, going to the game,

549
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 13: but we always say good offense, better defense or good

550
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 13: defense better offense.

551
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

552
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 13: We're playing a scheme a certain way and then a

553
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 13: guy makes a tough shot over the top of us.

554
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 13: We have to shake their head because this league is

555
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 13: fulled filled with great offensive players, so they can, like

556
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 13: I said, it can go either way. You know, we'll

557
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 13: run to at a guy because he got hot. Saif

558
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 13: a guy has forty plus, you know, I don't know.

559
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 13: Halliburton only had nineteen points last night, so it wasn't

560
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 13: like he was cooking.

561
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 6: But he's a closer.

562
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 13: Yeah, But you just kind of you live with those

563
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 13: odds because if you look at defenses and you look

564
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 13: at all these playoff games, the one thing that you

565
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 13: find fascinating is there's there's no paint presence.

566
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 3: Last night, I don't know who, I don't remember. It

567
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 3: was Draymond Green.

568
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 13: He came straight down on the lane and dunked it

569
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 13: and there was no awareness from Minnesota whatsoever. And that's

570
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 13: the one thing in playoff basketball that you kind of

571
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 13: you know, you fortify your defense with a paint presence,

572
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 13: and you work from inside out, and you see that

573
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 13: consistently because you know, so many teams are shooting threes

574
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 13: and then you look at the ball, the way the

575
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 13: ball bounced, you know, against against what the Golden State,

576
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 13: and you see how many rebounds they got in Minnesota's

577
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 13: the bigger team, you know, you think about how many

578
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 13: rebounds they didn't get. Go Bear had eleven and I

579
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 13: think Anthony had fourteen or somewhere around there. But those

580
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 13: balls are bounds a so long, so it's spreading the

581
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 13: defense out. And then you're trying to figure out what

582
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 13: we try to do. On most teams I played on,

583
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 13: we tried to keep our big guy in the paint.

584
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 13: You know, we rotated with playing man to man, So

585
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 13: if it was myself and KG, I tried to stay

586
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 13: up top and you stayed low. So if somebody did drive,

587
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 13: they had to see him. And right now you just

588
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 13: don't see that that fortification of the paint, and there's

589
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 13: so many holes right now in their defense. So that's

590
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 13: ultimately a system where it's built around team shooting threes.

591
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 6: What's your favorite pair of shoes behind you?

592
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 13: My favorite pair, I would have to go up. I'd

593
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 13: have to go up one, two, three, four. If I

594
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 13: can show.

595
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: You, oh my goodness, you got a whole wall, this

596
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: one right here, okay, number four.

597
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 6: So those are how many of those are Air Jordan's.

598
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: They're one through thirty, one through thirty.

599
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: You might sign any shoes that you have. No, you

600
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't ask him.

601
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 13: I haven't, Like I have a jersey just hang on

602
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 13: my wall, and I played golf with them regularly. I

603
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 13: wouldn't ask them. But I think at some point I

604
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 13: should here in the future, just for keep, say, just

605
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 13: have momentum. And I know he would if I asked them,

606
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 13: but but I thought about it, but I haven't done

607
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 13: it yet.

608
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: Okay, but if you have them in the back of

609
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: the golf cart and then you know Mike probably sees them,

610
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: and then you go, oh god, yeah, sorry, I thought

611
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: I was going to leave these in the car.

612
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

613
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 6: And then you have a sharpie attached to it. Then

614
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 6: all of a sudden.

615
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: See that I'm a vet right here.

616
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 5: DP.

617
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 13: That's like the rookie move to do that. If somebody

618
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 13: did that to me, I'd be looking. I'm like, really

619
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 13: really do oh you really left it with the sharpie

620
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 13: on the on taped up to it.

621
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: Okay, what if you send somebody that you guys, guys

622
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: used to do this where you'd send the clubhouse guy

623
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: over to get something signed by somebody in the other

624
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: locker room.

625
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 6: Right, okay, did that?

626
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 5: Did it?

627
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: I'll tell you a story. One time when I was

628
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: playing in Milwaukee.

629
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 13: I was always early and the bus wasn't there yet,

630
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 13: so I took it ab over and I'm sitting in

631
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 13: the locker room. So our equipment manager didn't get our

632
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 13: gear out yet. So I'm sitting in the locker room

633
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 13: and I'm antsy trying to get on the court. And

634
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 13: you know, the United senter was always freezing, so you

635
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 13: wanted to come like bundled. So I'm sitting there and

636
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 13: the equipment guy from the Bulls comes to the locker room.

637
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 13: He goes, you guys didn't get here yet. I said, no,

638
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 13: they're not here. I'm just waiting on him. He goes,

639
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 13: Mike's on the other side. You know, he has some stuff.

640
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 13: Maybe you want to ask him. And I was like really,

641
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 13: and he's like, yeah, but you got to ask him.

642
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 13: You got to go in there and ask him. And

643
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 13: you know, this was I'm probably like three years in

644
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 13: the league, and I'm like, ask go over there and ask.

645
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 13: I was like, can you ask for me? He goes, no,

646
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 13: you got to ask me, And so I went in

647
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 13: there and I was like, Mike, you think I could

648
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 13: borrow a pair of shoes? And I'm already wearing the

649
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 13: shoes anyway, I'm under contract. And He's like, sure, kid,

650
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 13: you know. And in the in the hall, I walked

651
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 13: in the cabinet full of Jordan's just like all the

652
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 13: way down there, all the swool.

653
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 9: That was cool.

654
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 6: Where are those shoes?

655
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 13: I don't know, there's somewhere float And I got so

656
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 13: many shoes like tucked everywhere.

657
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 5: Uh.

658
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 6: We brought this up yesterday.

659
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: The Hall of very Good, like the guys that you

660
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: played against or with, like Jamal Crawford in the Hall

661
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Speaker 2: of very Good. Not a Hall of Famer, but you

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Speaker 2: know a hall of very good. Who would you put

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Speaker 2: in there? Maybe you played against, you know, contemporaries where

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Speaker 2: you go. That guy should be in the Hall of

665
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Speaker 2: very Good. Not a Hall of Famer, but hall of

666
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Speaker 2: very good.

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Speaker 3: Did I played with?

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Speaker 13: I would definitely say two players that just you know,

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Speaker 13: one in particular that would kill the game today is

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Speaker 13: then Baker.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he just he was around the basket.

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Speaker 13: I didn't think anybody could stop him, and he still

673
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 13: could shoot, you know, in the primer, he would be

674
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Speaker 13: really good in today's game. And and obviously, you know,

675
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Speaker 13: these are two guys that I played with my rookie

676
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Speaker 13: year in Glenn Robinson and you know, arguably one of

677
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 13: the greatest college players of all time. And I think

678
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 13: they don't get their their their it, but there were

679
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 13: incredible scores and and when I watched then nobody could

680
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Speaker 13: stop them.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 13: So they were good and they just ended up not

683
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Speaker 13: being on teams once they left milwaukkeeoplehere they had any

684
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Speaker 13: any symbols of success. But I thought they're incredible. And

685
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 13: so you look at the game today, we don't have those.

686
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Speaker 13: You know, you talk about those mid range players, those

687
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 13: pick great pick and role players. Think about Terrell Brandon.

688
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 13: He was dubbed best point guard in the world. Sports

689
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Speaker 13: illustrated like this. He was he was split a pick

690
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 13: and roll. His mid range game, he was automatic and

691
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Speaker 13: I learned a lot from him. You know, just playing

692
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 13: with those three guys helped my game tremendously. Uh And

693
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Speaker 13: we don't have that that skill level right now in

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Speaker 13: the NBA because of the overuse of the three ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still keep I can't get it out of

696
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Speaker 2: my mind that you're wearing Michael Jordan's shoes playing against

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 13: Well, just remember my second game in the NBA. My

699
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 13: first game was Minnesota Timberwolves a preseason and the second

700
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Speaker 13: one and I seen the schedule. So I was still

701
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Speaker 13: in my college apartment when I got the schedule in

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00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 13: October fifteenth, nineteen ninety three, Chicago Bulls United Center, and

703
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Speaker 13: I'm sitting there. I still got poster him on my

704
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 13: wall right here in my room, and I'm like, I'm

705
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 13: about to play against Michael Jordan, So I'm wearing his

706
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 13: shoes on October fifteen. I'm stretching and then I hear

707
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 13: the whole introduction, and you know, I'm used to being

708
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 13: on the other side looking at the TV watching all

709
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 13: this stuff happen, and now I'm like, wow, this is

710
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 13: so crazy.

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00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: I'm inside the TV right now, you know.

712
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 13: And then I'm sitting here on the ground stretching and

713
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 13: I'm doing this and I'm just kind of and I

714
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 13: see the Bulls run out and he's the last one,

715
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 13: and I couldn't believe it, you know, just as much

716
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Speaker 13: as I watched him and kind of like studied his

717
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 13: game and he he was kind of he was such

718
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 13: a big role model. Then being on the same floor

719
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Speaker 13: with him, it was just unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: Did he talk trash toad?

721
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Speaker 13: No, But at jump Bald he walks over to me

722
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 13: and he said, welcome to the NBA.

723
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: Ray, Like, you just don't.

724
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 13: Understand like this man he's you know, to be great,

725
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 13: you also have to be intelligent. You know, you can't

726
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 13: walk around and be oblivious.

727
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: To the things around you.

728
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 13: So he knows everybody who's playing against you, study your opponents,

729
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 13: you watch the draft. You know who's young and come

730
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 13: into the league. And so as us young players, we're

731
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 13: so naive to that idea. You start to realize how

732
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Speaker 13: much you have to immerse yourself in this game and

733
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 13: you have to know every player in the league. You

734
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 13: can't just think that, oh, I'm the best player, I

735
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 13: don't care about anybody. You really have to study this

736
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 13: game and who's in it. What's on your shirt Jesus

737
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 13: shooting a jumper doing.

738
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Speaker 3: The jump shot.

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Speaker 2: That's not Jesus shuttles Worth, that's Jesus the playwork.

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Speaker 6: I don't know about Jesus form though.

741
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Speaker 3: Ray, Yeah, this one a we got. We'll work with him.

742
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Speaker 3: We'll give him a pass. We definitely will give him

743
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Speaker 3: a pass.

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00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: Thank you, Ray, good to talk to you again. That's

745
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: Ray Dylan Hall of Famer. We'll take a break back

746
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Speaker 2: after this.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

748
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

749
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: E me Earlier in the show last hour, we were

751
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: talking about the Kentucky Derby winner Sommerty is not going

752
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: to run in the Preakness, We'll run in the Belmont.

753
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: And I thought that NBC carried all three and I

754
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: was told that Fox has the Belmont. Because I thought,

755
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: if I'm NBC, I'm going to flex my TV muscles

756
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: and dollars and say, we have to ensure that if

757
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: we have somebody winning the Derby and we really think

758
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: that they're legitimate triple Crown threat, but it's best for

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00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: the sport if the horse is running. But Sovereignty is

760
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: not going to run in the Preakness, but his scheduled

761
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: to run in the Belmont. Also, I saw this story

762
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Speaker 2: and we've seen this before with different obituaries. There's a

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00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: guy in Illinois who passed away in April In his obituary,

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Speaker 2: his family wrote that he passed away after a short

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Speaker 2: illness on Wednesday evening, April twenty third, at his home

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Speaker 2: surrounded by family, but then added he couldn't face another

767
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: White Sox season after last year's record breaking meltdown. He

768
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Speaker 2: also went on to say that he hates the Cubs

769
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Speaker 2: in his obituary.

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Speaker 6: One last shot on the way.

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00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, my favorite though this happened in twenty seventeen, and

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Speaker 2: you had a fan of the Washington Nationals. In his obituary,

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00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: he wrote or his family wrote, in lieu of flowers,

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Speaker 2: send donations to the National's Bullpened Fund.

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Speaker 6: They were blowing a lot of games back then, twenty seventeen. Okay, uh,

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00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 6: we have a quick hockey game coming up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the rules here for the quick hockey game?

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00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 8: The iteam has just learned the name of the Utah

779
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 8: Hockey Club just announced the permanent name going from so

780
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 8: not the YETI so the finalists were the Utah Blizzard.

781
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 8: They could keep Utah Hockey Club, Mammoth, Outlaws, Venom, and Yetti.

782
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: But I didn't think YETI was going to let them

783
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: the company YETI was going to let them use that

784
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 2: name correct.

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00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 8: YETI and Yeti's could not be used because of conflict

786
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Speaker 8: of interest copyright infringement.

787
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 6: Okay, you think that, YETI would partner with them. I

788
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 6: would think I'm going to go.

789
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 8: I'll run by again. Blizzard Hockey Club, Mammoth Outlaws, Venom.

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Speaker 2: I like hockey Club, but I'm gonna go Mammoth. Marvin,

791
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Outlaws, Okay, Seaton.

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00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 7: Jeepers, creepers. I love Utah Hockey Club, but they're not

793
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 7: gonna do that was a venom and option?

794
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 6: Did I hear that?

795
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 5: Sure?

796
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: Why not?

797
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 6: I'll go Venom. How about you, Todd?

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00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 7: I like Mammoth too for that?

799
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Speaker 6: Okay, Todd, just give your answer. Yes, God, get to

800
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 6: the point. Say your answer.

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00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 8: It's the Utah Mammoth.

802
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, cuss up up. Okay, that is up.

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00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 12: Up.

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00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 6: Don't ask Todd to do that. Yes, Todd, but the

805
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 6: name is not official YETI they may still change it

806
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 6: at some point.

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00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 7: From the fans about it. A blizzard of calf have

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Speaker 7: come into the will.

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00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 8: They have a couple of guys in the Mammoth outfit current. Yes, yeah,

810
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 8: that's a two man job though, right, Nah, I think

811
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Speaker 8: you got one, you.

812
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 7: Know, you know what they did though, Now they got

813
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 7: where is it mammoth or are they the mammoths?

814
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 6: You know, like the heat or they the heats?

815
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 7: They made it one of those weird singular plural things.

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Speaker 6: You know, we're collectively the mammoth. That's a good point

817
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 6: by you, Yes.

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00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 8: Paul, mammoth plural is mammoth?

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Speaker 3: Great?

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Speaker 8: You could drop the s forever so there's no mammoths no, like, yeah,

821
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Speaker 8: just mammoth.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, something corny they're gonna say, don't tusk with us?

823
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Speaker 12: Yes, Todd, you could have a mammoth win, but you

824
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 12: can also have a mammoth defeat.

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00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 6: You can can't sleep, okay, all right, all right?

826
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Speaker 2: Maybe they could have the song by Fleetwood mac Tusk

827
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Speaker 2: as their theme song.

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00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 7: Maybe their rivals when they beat them all say, you

829
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 7: guys are extinct, so.

830
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 6: You've got their extinct.

831
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: I got Yeah, you got to hold your nose, you

832
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Speaker 2: guys extinct?

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00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 9: You got there.

834
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Speaker 6: You guys aren't even a relevant species right now? Yes?

835
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Speaker 6: Whose voice is that? Yes, Todd?

836
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Speaker 2: Can they have a private one where they offer mammoth

837
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Speaker 2: grams if you're having health insurance issues?

838
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Speaker 12: And then maybe there's some kind of.

839
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Speaker 3: Marketing really Mammoth Graham.

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Speaker 12: But the proper adoptors they just have, you know in

841
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Speaker 12: section twelve, is going.

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Speaker 1: To check it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Todd's the fact that it's coming from You

844
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Speaker 2: will have.

845
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 12: To be the actual physician that can do that.

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Speaker 2: P K suban former hockey player now an analyst for

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Speaker 2: the Mothership. Will John is coming up. Nobody talks hockey

848
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: like we do. Final Hour in this Wednesday after this