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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff mom never told you?

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Speaker 1: From House Towards dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Christine and this is Molly. All Right, Molly um.

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Speaker 1: With all the news about many Mumiras being suspended from

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball for his alleged steroid use, I felt

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Speaker 1: like it was time for me to get something off

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Speaker 1: my chest. Molly. Yes, I have used steroids many times

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Speaker 1: all my life, thank goodness, christ And I don't know

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Speaker 1: if this is the for him to admit that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just want to, you know, I want to give

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Speaker 1: roid rage coming on, and uh, I just you know,

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Speaker 1: want to want to keep myself under control. Will you

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Speaker 1: tell us why you were using steroids? Um? Well, it's

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Speaker 1: obviously to build up my hulking physique. True, she is hulking,

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Speaker 1: Actually just kidding. I used steroids because I'm horribly allergic

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Speaker 1: have to take steroid pills and use topical steroid creams

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Speaker 1: little blood test on you when you were a little kid,

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Speaker 1: they would have thought that you were juicing. Yeah. I probably.

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Speaker 1: I probably was the thing. You were a little competitive swimmer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I always. I always felt really weird whenever I get

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Speaker 1: poison ivy. Once my mom told me that they were

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Speaker 1: come around. I got poison ivy, but I'm taking the roids.

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Speaker 1: It'll get rid of them. So anyway, these are obviously

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Speaker 1: a different kind of steroid, a medicinal steroid, uh to

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Speaker 1: boost up my immune system, not the same thing that

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Speaker 1: many ramiros is accused of taking. But I thought that

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Speaker 1: it would be, you know, a nice anecdotal intro into

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Speaker 1: our discussion on the use of steroids among male and

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Speaker 1: female athletes. Yeah, if I can get the image of

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Speaker 1: you with poison ivy taking steroids off my it was

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Speaker 1: sure all our listeners do. Yeah, but thanks to all

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Speaker 1: The thing that caught our I about Manny Ramirez was

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Speaker 1: that the steroid that he has been banned from Major

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Speaker 1: so UH. Like us, the Scientific American people looked at

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Speaker 1: this and they were like, WHOA, why would you use

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Speaker 1: a female fertility drug, not you know, some of the

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Speaker 1: more potent steroids that are out there. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: first about Manny and hCG. And I think by h

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Speaker 1: c G you mean human choreonic gonadotrop in. Why, yes,

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Speaker 1: I do, Yes, this is UH. Ramirez claims that this

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Speaker 1: was prescribed it for a personal health issue. I think

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Speaker 1: that we should say that so UM, but there is

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Speaker 1: there are some reasons why Manny might might have been

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Speaker 1: h c G can hasten the return to normal testicular

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Speaker 1: function following prolonged antibolic steroid use, right, so it may

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