Speaker 1: Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to fish
Speaker 1: On First.
Speaker 2: The misery continues for the Miami Marlins.
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Speaker 2: Usually, guys, we try to find the positives and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say that there's none.
Speaker 3: There there is, but the shadow hanging over this team
Speaker 3: is it's too too gloomy and too dark to ignore.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 3: I'll talk about all these new ways that the Marlins
Speaker 3: finding to lose and what has become a twelve game
Speaker 3: losing streak franchise record, twelve game losing streak, beating their
Speaker 3: previous record of eleven in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Where does this team go? I guess there's nowhere to
Speaker 2: go but up right, But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a twelve game losing streak, including today game that
Speaker 3: they look to have in hand after you're after a
Speaker 3: good pitching performance, starting pitching indus series was actually good.
Speaker 3: That's about the only thing that was consistently good in
Speaker 3: this series. We'll talk about the rest of the bad ury.
Speaker 2: Yesterday was good. Starting pitching to say wasn't bad.
Speaker 3: Gusta even wasn't bad, but they found a way to
Speaker 3: lose all three games against the San Diego Padres to
Speaker 3: fall under five hundred, and it's looking more and more
Speaker 3: like they're going to be sellers.
Speaker 2: As the days go on. Tough to say the least.
Speaker 3: You know, I think I can only talk for all
Speaker 3: of us when I say that we're with you guys.
Speaker 3: We know that this is We had a high hopes,
Speaker 3: especially after June, but July has been a unbridled mess
Speaker 3: for the Marlins. We'll go through it game by game
Speaker 3: starting today. I'll go backwards, of course, as we always do.
Speaker 3: I mean, a good start, actually a really good start
Speaker 3: to this game for the Marlins.
Speaker 2: They've they've looked to have it in hand. Things looked
Speaker 2: looked pretty.
Speaker 3: Good all the way up until what the fifth or
Speaker 3: sixth inning, I think it was, where they just kind
Speaker 3: of unraveled. It really wasn't terrible at all by your
Speaker 3: starting pitcher, as I noted before, Jansen junkin this one.
Speaker 2: You gave a lot of hits but didn't walk.
Speaker 3: Anybody, which is a huge plus for him, and pitched
Speaker 3: into the fifth inning, actually almost got out of the
Speaker 3: fifth inning. We'll talk about what happened after that, But yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought that this was good for Junk, who was
Speaker 3: struggling coming into this one.
Speaker 2: Kevin, go ahead, just we'll start with the positive.
Speaker 3: I guess this is about all you can ask for
Speaker 3: out of Jansen Junk, you know, as he as he
Speaker 3: continues to hold down a rotation spot. I thought this
Speaker 3: was obviously a step forward for him, and he gave
Speaker 3: the team a chance to win. Obviously they threw it away,
Speaker 3: but a lot of hits, only the one run though,
Speaker 3: six strikeouts, no walks.
Speaker 2: Talk about him first go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a short hook for Junk, regardless of
Speaker 4: hypat it got into the fifth, didn't even finish the fifth.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately, when he's been pitching the way that he
Speaker 4: has recently, you have to do that. I didn't watch
Speaker 4: too much of Junks start, but he did. As you
Speaker 4: guys noticed, he did keep him minute, and that's that's
Speaker 4: all you could ask for at this point, at this rate,
Speaker 4: with how the season is going, it definitely seemed like
Speaker 4: not a desperation move, but definitely a quicker hook for
Speaker 4: him than than usual. I watched him in Houston and
Speaker 4: he went I think four or five innings in that start,
Speaker 4: and at this point you just gotta do what you
Speaker 4: gotta do in term to see if you could go
Speaker 4: with your best relievers. Unfortunately, it was a weird situation
Speaker 4: where they went with Peterson got hit in the arm.
Speaker 4: I do believe he was gonna go out there for
Speaker 4: the six is what Clayton said postgame. So for anyone
Speaker 4: trying to think that Clayon's bullpen management is his dad,
Speaker 4: I don't think it was in this case. It's just
Speaker 4: an unfortunate situation where Peterson got hit in the arm
Speaker 4: and definitely got to take priority to create the X rays.
Speaker 4: Everything was good, so he should be fine. And yeah,
Speaker 4: Junk was good, solid, much better than what we've seen
Speaker 4: the last couple of arts. And certainly you were looking
Speaker 4: at a point where you're thinking that maybe Junk isn't
Speaker 4: supposed to be a starter, maybe not fit enough for it.
Speaker 4: But I guess to a certain extent, it proved some
Speaker 4: people wrong or at least made his case to remain
Speaker 4: in their rotation moving forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think did enough, but I would agree with
Speaker 3: that thought. Maybe he could have at least finished that
Speaker 3: fifth inning. You know, I know he really didn't help
Speaker 3: his case with the traffic Kell out on the basis,
Speaker 3: but I don't think he was bad after that. Oh boy,
Speaker 3: as you noted, Kevin, they go to Peterson, you only
Speaker 3: gets the one out because he gets hit by a pitch.
Speaker 3: After that, it's Gibson for the lefties, which was good.
Speaker 3: Zoober bounces back with the scoreless inning, which was good.
Speaker 3: And then Baker, who had been pitching decently until this
Speaker 3: comes in and man, it's not good. Five hits, four
Speaker 3: earned runs, does get two strikeouts or I'm sorry, two
Speaker 3: home runs, no strikeouts, so obviously wasn't in the zone whatsoever.
Speaker 2: He gets the loss and a blown save. Maybe do
Speaker 2: for this, you know, I for Barker. I mean, like
Speaker 2: I said, coming into this was pitching pretty well. I
Speaker 2: think you noted it, Kevin. I don't think bad bullpen
Speaker 2: management by Clayton in this one.
Speaker 3: I mean, we could blame remember for a lot of
Speaker 3: other things, but I don't think this was bad, especially
Speaker 3: if he was going to use Peterson in the next inning,
Speaker 3: even though he had left these new up. Maybe getting
Speaker 3: away a little bit from the strict platoon situation that
Speaker 3: he had. But yeah, Boker, and this one takes a
Speaker 3: step back and it cost to Marlin's game.
Speaker 2: Like I said, he like finding new ways to lose.
Speaker 3: That's what's happening on this skid that the Marlins are
Speaker 3: which are on, which is now twelve games.
Speaker 2: So Boker in this one not good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Boker.
Speaker 5: Overall this season he's been solid, but there have been
Speaker 5: those two huge anomalies. The one that I think burns
Speaker 5: pretty brightly in people's memory is the yeary perfect game bid.
Speaker 5: Boker was the one that came in with an eight
Speaker 5: run lead, that was, and he didn't get a single
Speaker 5: outs if I remember correctly, in that performance, that was
Speaker 5: one of the worst relief outings of Marlin's history, allowing
Speaker 5: five earned in that scenario. So that game sticks out,
Speaker 5: and they actually won that game, of course, even though
Speaker 5: I remember coming on the stream and people being furious
Speaker 5: by the decision, they did at least win that game.
Speaker 5: And then since then, this is the one that sticks
Speaker 5: out that is very comparable to that outing, and this
Speaker 5: one does end up making the entire difference between a
Speaker 5: win and a loss. He came in with a two
Speaker 5: run lead, he leaves with a two run deficit. And
Speaker 5: that's pretty much all she wrote right there. To me,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to like micro analyze Boker's performance. That
Speaker 5: just speaks to the fact that this this roster as
Speaker 5: a whole right now is just not strong enough. The
Speaker 5: fact that Boker, I think, could you actually made the
Speaker 5: case was a reasonable choice given the alternatives to pitch
Speaker 5: in that situation. There weren't all that There weren't multiple
Speaker 5: other guys left in the bullpen at that stage of
Speaker 5: the game that I feel were significantly better than Boker.
Speaker 5: But the fact that he is that high up on
Speaker 5: the leverage order just speaks to the fact that these
Speaker 5: injuries have taken their toll and they haven't made the.
Speaker 6: Adjustments necessary to this roster.
Speaker 5: There have been guys down in Jacksonville that I'd like
Speaker 5: to have seen given a shot over these last couple
Speaker 5: weeks that haven't gotten a shot, So they haven't really
Speaker 5: given these guys an opportunity to show themselves as impact
Speaker 5: guys in the later endings. Boker is a guy that has,
Speaker 5: in my mind, just limited ceiling in terms of what
Speaker 5: he could do. He's kind of susceptible to having an
Speaker 5: occasional blow up like this. I wouldn't put too much
Speaker 5: on Baker, too much on Clayton. I think this is
Speaker 5: one that really goes down to the team itself not
Speaker 5: being strong enough. There's just not enough overall talent right now,
Speaker 5: and they have found, as he kind of allude to,
Speaker 5: so many different ways to fall just a little bit
Speaker 5: short in these games, because as a whole, they're just
Speaker 5: even teams that come in with very comparable records, teams
Speaker 5: like the Patters that came into the series with the
Speaker 5: worst record than the Padre than the Marlins did. But
Speaker 5: the Padres, I think anybodyho says that they're a better
Speaker 5: team right now. They have more overall talents, and that
Speaker 5: kind of made the difference of the course of this weekend.
Speaker 3: Crutchick, I want to ask you, I mean, just to
Speaker 3: end that topic really quick. On the bullpen, they do
Speaker 3: have Acnes coming back. He threw a rehab outing yesterday,
Speaker 3: looked like he had alos Villa. I think he topped
Speaker 3: at ninety eight in a scoreless saying. I would say, you, Eli,
Speaker 3: I don't know, just to wrap this up, maybe one
Speaker 3: more rehoub outing and we've maybe able to see him
Speaker 3: back after his knee problem or whatever happened. I would
Speaker 3: think that he come back, and it sounds it sounds
Speaker 3: kinda kind of like maybe not trying to speak too
Speaker 3: highly of him because his major league career is only
Speaker 3: so short, but that will be a huge addition when
Speaker 3: he comes back, just considering that he can if he has.
Speaker 2: To go multiple innings.
Speaker 3: But really, you know, shines in that one inning, one
Speaker 3: inning role that just come in and fireball guys. So
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see Acnes back because I do think
Speaker 3: that he is still good and Ken pitching a high
Speaker 3: leverage if he has to. So I'm I'm looking forward
Speaker 3: to them getting Actnes back, hopefully after like one more rehab.
Speaker 3: Any anyways, that's it on the bullpen for now, Crutchick.
Speaker 3: I want to go to you just just ending with
Speaker 3: we DELI said about the team not being good enough,
Speaker 3: and I would agree with it.
Speaker 2: Is there a sense of urgency in this clubhouse?
Speaker 3: You were there today and Kevin, I know you were
Speaker 3: there I think the other two games of this series, right,
Speaker 3: So I want to go to Kratchik first because you
Speaker 3: were there today and saw this one, and we're there
Speaker 3: for Clayton's post game to talk about Clayton yesterday post game,
Speaker 3: like just it doesn't seem from his comment from mcculla's
Speaker 3: comments that there is a real sense of urgency to
Speaker 3: win games.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, skids happened. We're talking about twelve
Speaker 2: games and he's up on the stands smiling with his
Speaker 2: arms crossed. Yeah, well we'll go. We have another one tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Like there's maybe he knows that the team was over
Speaker 2: achieving in June. Maybe he knows that, you.
Speaker 3: Know, they were kind of playing with house money coming
Speaker 3: into July. But to look at this face that's on
Speaker 3: the screen after what was their eleventh straight loss, and
Speaker 3: then I think even today it wasn't that much different
Speaker 3: in his postgame press conference. You can correct me every
Speaker 3: I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: My question for you is what is there a sense
Speaker 2: of urgency in ending this and trying to actually compete
Speaker 2: this year or is it just another day.
Speaker 7: I do think there's a sense of urgency, and I
Speaker 7: do think that there's a little bit of anger in
Speaker 7: the clubhouse at the situation where.
Speaker 2: They find themselves in.
Speaker 7: The Reality is we only get in an hour with
Speaker 7: them before the game and ten minutes with them after
Speaker 7: the game. So there's no way for me to know
Speaker 7: this for sure. But in covering this team and this
Speaker 7: specific regime for the last couple of years. You get
Speaker 7: the sense that they are so locked in on their plan,
Speaker 7: their plan, their game plan, their analytics, their philosophies that
Speaker 7: when things like this happen, it's just, you know, stay
Speaker 7: the course, stay the course. And to an extent, I
Speaker 7: agree with that. I'm not saying you should blow up
Speaker 7: the entire blueprint, blow up the team, fire Clayton tonight.
Speaker 7: But at the same time, you can't just come in
Speaker 7: and say everything will be fine because we know who
Speaker 7: we are and we know what we're gonna do. There
Speaker 7: has to be some human element to it where I
Speaker 7: need to see coach get mad. I need to see
Speaker 7: some sort of elements which we saw earlier in the
Speaker 7: season of you know, Peter Bendix sending guys down. Connor
Speaker 7: Norby wasn't doing well enough, so we get sent down.
Speaker 7: The same with Gus. Gus was not doing well enough
Speaker 7: at Catcher defensively or offensive link, so we get sent down.
Speaker 7: I like those sort of things. Right now, I'm getting
Speaker 7: the vited they are drinking too much of their own
Speaker 7: kool aid when it comes to we trust our full again.
Speaker 7: Like I said, nothing, you should blow up your philosophy
Speaker 7: because of a bad twelve game stretch, but clearly something
Speaker 7: needs to change, even it's just temporary, like something you
Speaker 7: need to have some sort of human element into what
Speaker 7: you're doing instead of just saying we trust our process,
Speaker 7: we trust our process.
Speaker 4: And just to add on to that really quick, just
Speaker 4: you know, I was in Houston for all three of
Speaker 4: those losses. I think it's safe to say, like, the
Speaker 4: way that this team went about it the first half
Speaker 4: of the season is certainly not the same. Like Kurtchick,
Speaker 4: you were there today and you were there yesterday and
Speaker 4: we didn't walk into the clubhouse because it wasn't really needed.
Speaker 4: But like, it's not the same vibe. The guys clearly
Speaker 4: are feeling it. I do agree, though, like your manager
Speaker 4: shouldn't be smiling and trying to spin every question into
Speaker 4: a positive because at the end of the day, you
Speaker 4: I hate to say it like this, and I have
Speaker 4: a lot of respect for Clayton what he does, but
Speaker 4: you were on the hot seat, my friend. He is
Speaker 4: on the hot seat. There's no doubt about it. I
Speaker 4: don't know exactly the contract situation is that I think
Speaker 4: it's either it ends after this season or he has
Speaker 4: one more after this made a team option or whatever,
Speaker 4: but it's it gets to a point where if you
Speaker 4: set the franchise record for most losses in a row,
Speaker 4: something needs to be done, something needs to change. And
Speaker 4: and I understand they're going through this analytical plan that
Speaker 4: crutchc mentions, but sometimes you have to go away from
Speaker 4: that the way this team is mentally defeated. And you
Speaker 4: know what, this is what I've noticed. And I don't
Speaker 4: know if you guys want to touch in on this too,
Speaker 4: but for example, they gave up what was it the
Speaker 4: homer to Renhifo. After that, you would have thought it
Speaker 4: was a funeral in there. Like it was dead, Like
Speaker 4: the clubhouse was dead, everything was dead. Like they just
Speaker 4: seemed lifeless. Lifeless baseball is being played, and that's not
Speaker 4: the team that we saw at the start of the season.
Speaker 4: The team we saw at the start of the season
Speaker 4: was a team that played small ball, was extremely vibrant
Speaker 4: and had a lot of energy. You had spark plugs
Speaker 4: in there with Sooha and and what's his name, Ruiz
Speaker 4: and just not seeing that it's it's lifeless baseball, that
Speaker 4: it's lacking energy. I'm not saying that the effort is
Speaker 4: there Don't get me wrong, there is effort, and Clayton
Speaker 4: mentioned that in Houston, and I'm sure there is because
Speaker 4: they're pitching well, at least starting pitching. The starting pitching
Speaker 4: has helped has kept them in games and has clearly
Speaker 4: been a big reason as to why they stay close
Speaker 4: in the games, and offensively in some of the games
Speaker 4: they have done just enough to at least stay in it.
Speaker 4: It's sometimes the bullpen and sometimes the offense. And I
Speaker 4: think I look at the Houston serious and you strike
Speaker 4: out fourteen times in one game thirteen in the next.
Speaker 4: I mean, guys, this one was. Offense is one of
Speaker 4: the worst in baseball. Since the start of the losing streak,
Speaker 4: they rank last and almost every statistical category you could
Speaker 4: think of. Their second last in WRC plus second and last,
Speaker 4: and on last, and on base percentage last, second and last,
Speaker 4: and OPS last, and batting average, they've hit the least
Speaker 4: amount of home ors, they've scored the least amount of
Speaker 4: runs in baseball. It really is truly the offense. But
Speaker 4: today it was the bullpen. And there's cases where it
Speaker 4: has been the bullpen this season. And when they go
Speaker 4: down this team, you know, you talked about the fight,
Speaker 4: the urgency, all this we spoke about the start of
Speaker 4: the season. Just you're not seeing it at all. You're
Speaker 4: seeing a lifeless lacking of energy product when the team
Speaker 4: it goes down into a game, and you know what, fine,
Speaker 4: but they gotta find ways to get out of it
Speaker 4: because they are the reason that they are now probably
Speaker 4: gonna sell and they're gonna see some of their team
Speaker 4: mights go to another organization come August third.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and just a sorry Carver, I just want to
Speaker 8: you guys have both touched on the hitting, which has
Speaker 8: been an issue. I mean, they still have yet to
Speaker 8: score more than three runs. They've they've scored more than
Speaker 8: three runs two times in twelve games. That should be
Speaker 8: almost impossible for a big lead team. In my opinion,
Speaker 8: you guys touching the bullpen. I've never seen a team
Speaker 8: miss a player like the Mans of missing Anthony Bender
Speaker 8: for however long he's been out when you're working into
Speaker 8: the eighth didn't even tie ball game, And no disrespect
Speaker 8: for you, Tyler Zueber out there and Dad scored in
Speaker 8: a one run game. And then Boker today, like Eli said,
Speaker 8: I like Boker, but if he's that high up when
Speaker 8: you're gonna use him leverage. I don't see that as well.
Speaker 8: So when it comes to base running, which is also
Speaker 8: what I've been looking at, hobby Er Snohak taking off
Speaker 8: the third base and I've all hit right in front
Speaker 8: of him. That just goes and I think they've they've
Speaker 8: been impressing so much we saw with Auto yesterday. I
Speaker 8: wouldn't say they're lifeless, because I mean, when they're up
Speaker 8: like they were today, there is some energy there. But
Speaker 8: I feel like they're all trying to fix the issue
Speaker 8: with one player, one game and trying to get all
Speaker 8: twelve games back in a single player, a single game
Speaker 8: so they can take it more day by day by
Speaker 8: Janson Johnson after his start today, and then they'll be
Speaker 8: able to find more success. But it's a nothing in
Speaker 8: any department is working right now, so something has to change.
Speaker 8: I'm not going to say claims on the hot seat
Speaker 8: because at the end of the day, he's not. He
Speaker 8: hasn't scored more than three runs twice. It's the bats
Speaker 8: he quots in the lineup, which are given to him
Speaker 8: by Bendinson co. So That's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 4: Really quickly to clarify it's lifeless, after they're down in
Speaker 4: the game. For sure, they're when they're up and they're winning,
Speaker 4: it's great. But when Kifo hits the homer in that
Speaker 4: first game, dead, they give up the late it was
Speaker 4: dead allot all of yesterday, and then they give up
Speaker 4: the back to back homeers to Machada. I think it
Speaker 4: was Jackson Merrill. Dead. You gotta I understand there's a
Speaker 4: losing streak, but if they want to win, they're gonna
Speaker 4: have to show some life and some energy. Because I
Speaker 4: know that's not the big part of it, because there's
Speaker 4: a lot more that's going on right now that outside
Speaker 4: of that. But I'm watching lifeless baseball and that was
Speaker 4: a big thing too in Houston.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day. To fix that,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to you in a second one. To
Speaker 2: fix that. I don't know if you're gonna say the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 3: To fix that. It starts with Clayton mccallough. Absolutely starts
Speaker 3: with the manager of the baseball team in those moments
Speaker 3: where it's dead, to encourage your team, to say something
Speaker 3: to your team, to after a tenth eleventh straight loss
Speaker 3: hole the closed door meeting, do something rather than sit
Speaker 3: on a stand and say we got another game tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Well, it will end it. It's it's not just one thing,
Speaker 2: it's it's a variety. Well, we'll, we'll get there, we'll
Speaker 2: we'll end.
Speaker 3: Every game matters, especially when you're barely playing to a
Speaker 3: wildcard spot.
Speaker 2: You have to find ways to motivate your players.
Speaker 3: Yes, at the end of the day, it's up to
Speaker 3: the players that are on the field to play the
Speaker 3: game and perform. It is up to the manager to
Speaker 3: motivate the players to perform, and he's not doing that
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: So Sean, how does McCullough fix that and why hasn't he?
Speaker 1: But so far I've just been doing my impression of
Speaker 1: the Marlins offense man being super quiet. But how Clayton
Speaker 1: fixes it? I mean, I agree with you completely. I
Speaker 1: get the argument that if he came in and did something,
Speaker 1: you know, very untrue to himself all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like started kicking over tables in the locker room, you know,
Speaker 1: that's probably the gonna You know, some players might be
Speaker 1: looking at him sideways thinking, you know, what's this guy?
Speaker 1: But no, I'm just been in front of you know
Speaker 1: that same you know placid expression, you know, lost after loss,
Speaker 1: like these games count for something like That's that is
Speaker 1: the attitude you want. When we were learning how to
Speaker 1: win and learning how to be a baseball team last
Speaker 1: year and even earlier on in the season. But you know,
Speaker 1: the expectations changed and the pressure you know, should change
Speaker 1: with it, and that's requires far more you know, get
Speaker 1: up and go. If that doesn't happen on camera, fine,
Speaker 1: but you really want to see that sense that the
Speaker 1: manager is not satisfied to performance, that someone's going to
Speaker 1: be held accountable, you know, for this, and you've got
Speaker 1: to see a little more you know, feeling from them.
Speaker 1: And I think that, well, I don't think anything would happen,
Speaker 1: you know, this year. This certainly is going to come up.
Speaker 1: And this is very much a situation where yeah, his
Speaker 1: seat is getting hot in a hurry. The national excrutiny
Speaker 1: has been on this team for about a month now.
Speaker 1: Half of that month is great, and this shows up
Speaker 1: on the resume too, and I don't think it balances
Speaker 1: out as a wash over the last thirty days. This
Speaker 1: is what's going to stick and things need to turn around.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one more word on this before we hit into
Speaker 5: our first break, Just about the reality about not so
Speaker 5: much whether how much of Clayton's fault this is, but
Speaker 5: just the reality that when you are steering a team
Speaker 5: through this kind of losing, I think history would tell
Speaker 5: you that the manager escapegoaded in almost all these circumstances.
Speaker 5: I'm actually gonna do the research on this, just like
Speaker 5: verify it. You look at the longest losing streaks in
Speaker 5: baseball this year, it's the Mets fired their manager like
Speaker 5: a month after that, it's the Phillies who fired their
Speaker 5: manager almost immediately after their ten games.
Speaker 4: Kid.
Speaker 5: That feels like a very familiar pattern that these guys eventually,
Speaker 5: whether during the season or after the season, and I
Speaker 5: think in his case would be the decision to be
Speaker 5: made after the season.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really difficult as a manager to avoid the
Speaker 5: being caught in the shrapnel from that type of disaster,
Speaker 5: because when you have continuity on your roster of a
Speaker 5: certain number of players, and the players perform at a
Speaker 5: certain level for a sustained period of time, especially this
Speaker 5: late into the year, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: it just falls apart in so many different areas, Like
Speaker 5: it's not just one guy, as we've covered, it is
Speaker 5: every aspect of the team being deficient. We touched on
Speaker 5: the hitting and the bullpen I would go to outside
Speaker 5: of this most recent series, the starting rotation just being
Speaker 5: as thin as it is. A couple there are a
Speaker 5: couple of spots where they just don't get linked out
Speaker 5: of other starters. It's the defense too, it's a base
Speaker 5: running as well, like every single area eroding and when
Speaker 5: you can't like point to a particular player, and certainly
Speaker 5: as the front office, when it's a front office that
Speaker 5: came in that or even before this manager did. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's it's just it's very it's as hot a see
Speaker 5: as you could have as as a manager. When you
Speaker 5: have consecutive games, loss after loss after loss, all these
Speaker 5: different opponents.
Speaker 6: You're losing at home.
Speaker 5: It's very hard to get swept at home, and the
Speaker 5: Martins have been. That's happened twice. It's happened at the
Speaker 5: start of the streak, and this happens most recently this
Speaker 5: past weekend against teams that they thought were really comparable
Speaker 5: to them entering those matchups. Uh So that's kind of
Speaker 5: the direction where this is headed. Of course, there's still
Speaker 5: a long season to play and they're still within believe
Speaker 5: it or not. They're still with the in striking distance
Speaker 5: of a postseason spot. It's just so difficult to believe
Speaker 5: that this thing is going to turn around when they're
Speaker 5: just leaking oil in all these different areas. So that
Speaker 5: we're gonna go to a quick break here from mint
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Speaker 3: Com back to continue talking about this uh skid that
Speaker 3: the Marks are on, possibly their outlook on what do
Speaker 3: they do at the deadline, as well as looking forward
Speaker 3: to I think what to me is a make or
Speaker 3: break series coming up against the Philly who preview that
Speaker 3: in a little bit.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about some positives.
Speaker 3: Though I know we've been a bit negative and there
Speaker 3: are some positives believed or not, there are some positives
Speaker 3: to talking about this mare on this team. One is
Speaker 3: Uri Perez who pitched yesterday and what was this his
Speaker 3: fourth or fifth straight quality start?
Speaker 2: Really good and I don't.
Speaker 3: Think the the with.
Speaker 2: With inducing Uri Perez.
Speaker 3: It was more of the fill up the strike zone
Speaker 3: and get we contact with his fastballs, both the four
Speaker 3: seam and the two seam. UH mixed and slider a
Speaker 3: little bit, but didn't really use many of his breaking
Speaker 3: pitch is on a consistent basis as mostly sinker fastball
Speaker 3: and did well with it even though he didn't have all.
Speaker 2: Of his pitches.
Speaker 3: Uh give up some early runs but end a late
Speaker 3: run in the seventh inning. We could talk about on
Speaker 3: if he should have been out there for that inning
Speaker 3: or not whatever, But yeah, no, I think I think
Speaker 3: pretty damn solid from from Uri Perez in this one
Speaker 3: to kind of have that mental toughness to get this
Speaker 3: done even.
Speaker 2: Though he I don't think had all of his stuff. Kevin,
Speaker 2: you were there for this one.
Speaker 3: Another good start for Uri, another quality start, like I said,
Speaker 3: either his fourth or fifth straight. Just keeps going, keeps
Speaker 3: getting better, keeps improving, even when he didn't have all
Speaker 3: of his stuff.
Speaker 2: So I thought, damn encouraging from a pitcher that the
Speaker 2: Marlins planned to have around for a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you look at that start and it's like
Speaker 4: doesn't get his first strike it until the sixth, like
Speaker 4: you know, definitely a little concerning, I guess, but like
Speaker 4: even then, like you'll take that right, you'll take a
Speaker 4: start whek he gives you six innings, goes into that
Speaker 4: leieve he once to the seventh like this was a
Speaker 4: good start for Yurie. He's been one of the marlins
Speaker 4: most consistent pitchers coming out of the All Star break,
Speaker 4: and if you look at since he's come off the eel,
Speaker 4: he's been really good. And I think a big reason
Speaker 4: for that is the sinker that he added, which he
Speaker 4: could play off the fast ball and playoff for some
Speaker 4: of the other breaking ball pitches, breaking pitches. I think
Speaker 4: that's been a big part of it. So I'm curious
Speaker 4: to see how that continues to develop. But this is
Speaker 4: this is a gyory that you know, you're very excited
Speaker 4: and happy to have, right. This is a guy that
Speaker 4: is no longer dealing with the Tommy John, the rehab
Speaker 4: from the Tommy John, the limited pitch count, the limited
Speaker 4: innings like he is now also on entering uncharted territory,
Speaker 4: something that I think is worth noting. I believe he's
Speaker 4: creeping up on his career high in innings pitched or
Speaker 4: will certainly surpass that, So something to keep in him mind,
Speaker 4: at least at the major league level. Not combining the minors,
Speaker 4: so this is something to keep an eye out for.
Speaker 4: But they let him go one hundred and ten something
Speaker 4: pitches yesterday, so they definitely don't seem too concerned about it.
Speaker 4: Hopefully they don't do what they did with Max and
Speaker 4: now'll give him another day off and then it turns
Speaker 4: into an extrain and now he's out for a long time.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think this is the guy that you're
Speaker 4: going to count on for a very long time this rotation.
Speaker 4: And I was gonna write about, you know, just how
Speaker 4: good Yuri has been and what he's done, because I
Speaker 4: think the sinker just plays a big factor into that.
Speaker 4: And I know Corvertt had mentioned the high fastball usage,
Speaker 4: which is certainly fair, but at this point, like if
Speaker 4: it's working, it's working. We made our complaints. There was
Speaker 4: a time where he actually did start throwing a lot
Speaker 4: more breaking pitches, and it certainly did help him. But
Speaker 4: if you find some sort of combo there where you're
Speaker 4: at least throwing enough breaking pitches to keep you in
Speaker 4: it and allow you to go further into a game,
Speaker 4: like he has been able to do something I think
Speaker 4: he struggled to do early on in the season. I
Speaker 4: think we'll take that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just the guy that can get it
Speaker 3: done in multiple ways. It doesn't have to be the
Speaker 3: the the whiffs all the time, right, it doesn't have
Speaker 3: to be that. And I think Yuri's coming to the
Speaker 3: realization that, you know, you're not gonna have that stuff
Speaker 3: every day. Some days you're gonna have to get ground balls.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to rely on we contact. And it's
Speaker 3: damn refreshing to see a player who I don't think
Speaker 3: two years ago we could have said that he would
Speaker 3: be able to do that. Yesterday he did, and I
Speaker 3: think that is very encouraging for a very young pitcher
Speaker 3: that's still growing right awesome.
Speaker 2: So, you know, as great as.
Speaker 3: It is to see strikeouts, as great as it is
Speaker 3: to see you know, double digit strikeouts and all the
Speaker 3: stuff that we know year he can do, I am
Speaker 3: equally excited to see him get eight ground ball outs
Speaker 3: and six.
Speaker 6: Flyouts exactly just me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in me, I was going to go into a
Speaker 5: little bit just on the ground balls, because from the
Speaker 5: moment he debuted, what really puzzled me is like how
Speaker 5: he was so averse to getting balls on the grounds,
Speaker 5: Like his ground ball rate as a rookie was twenty
Speaker 5: five percent and league averages in the low forties. He
Speaker 5: was the most extreme flyball starting pitcher in baseball in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three as a rookie. He took a significant
Speaker 5: step forward last year sort of to like thirty one percent,
Speaker 5: which is still like near the bottom of the barrel,
Speaker 5: but you know, it's six percent jump, and now he's
Speaker 5: taken another seven percent lead to thirty eight percent. So
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, he was in spitting distance of
Speaker 5: being average in that apartment. I think that's a great
Speaker 5: trade off for him to be able to get more
Speaker 5: of that soft contact, even if it's more contact.
Speaker 6: Overall by a little bit.
Speaker 5: The quality of contact going down the way it is,
Speaker 5: you're not going to really give up crooked numbers if
Speaker 5: you're just getting grounders the way that he has been
Speaker 5: in it definitely so to me, this most recent outing
Speaker 5: that was one of the more higher ground ball rates
Speaker 5: that he's had overall, even relative to his other starts
Speaker 5: this season. The sinker almost directly is contributing to that.
Speaker 5: Being able to use that pitch as an alternative to
Speaker 5: his four seamer. It's been a really good compliment overall.
Speaker 5: So this is the guy that I thought was going
Speaker 5: to be the best pitcher on the team this season.
Speaker 5: I think when it's all settled, he might still actually
Speaker 5: end up being the most valuable pitcher. Now that Max
Speaker 5: has gone down with his injury, Sandy has been up
Speaker 5: and down and up and down.
Speaker 6: And overall very important, but your overall.
Speaker 5: He's the guy that I trust most moving forward the
Speaker 5: rest of the season. I think he's going to be
Speaker 5: the guy that gives you both high upside and as
Speaker 5: we've seen now ever since coming back from.
Speaker 6: The il that was a full month ago, he's just
Speaker 6: been extremely consistent during that stretch too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been really good and like I said, getting
Speaker 3: it done in multiple ways, which is the most encouraging thing.
Speaker 2: I think we'll go on. He's been great, So that
Speaker 2: is one positive.
Speaker 3: The other positive I want to talk about Joe Mack.
Speaker 3: I mentioned this last time I was on here, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna mention it again. The more we see this
Speaker 3: guy play and the more he does what he continues
Speaker 3: to do and hitting, in fielding and throwing, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just a guy that is a clear extension can today.
Speaker 3: And you know, I know the Marlins don't have to
Speaker 3: do it. I understand that he's under team controlled until
Speaker 3: twenty thirty whatever, but man, this is a Cornerstone player
Speaker 3: that I think as long as he is in the
Speaker 3: Marlins striking distance and as long as they are able
Speaker 3: to do it, I think this offseason they have to
Speaker 3: try to extend the player because you don't find catchers
Speaker 3: like this often whatsoever.
Speaker 2: So my question to you guys is why not.
Speaker 3: I understand they don't have to, which is the point
Speaker 3: Isaac made last time I brought this up, and the
Speaker 3: more that you see him do what he's doing is it.
Speaker 2: How can you not?
Speaker 3: In my opinion, right, So that's what I think is,
Speaker 3: how can you not extend this player? How can you
Speaker 3: not at least try to extend the player in the offseason?
Speaker 3: But will they and what does that extension possibly look
Speaker 3: like for a player that is looking more and more
Speaker 3: like JT.
Speaker 2: Realmuto every day. So that's my question to you guys.
Speaker 2: Who wants to hit this one?
Speaker 8: Nate go ahead, Yeah, you said it best, Barb. I
Speaker 8: think Cornerstone is the best way to drop a guy
Speaker 8: like Joe Matc. I mean, Michael Peterson takes a ball
Speaker 8: off his forum today Joe Matt picks it up, spins around,
Speaker 8: and throws it at the first day out of the end.
Speaker 8: I mean, that's just one of the many aprodible things
Speaker 8: he does mind the plate, obviously, I think beyond just
Speaker 8: throwing guys out and hitting homers and even looking a
Speaker 8: lot better against lefties like he has recently, he's just
Speaker 8: such a big culture that to have you have a
Speaker 8: catcher that is so smart behind the plate, not knowing
Speaker 8: to pictures trust him, but the entire team down for
Speaker 8: Rob who's calling the pitches, to trust it. I like
Speaker 8: Joe Matt back there. In terms of what the contract
Speaker 8: would actually look like that I completely agree with you
Speaker 8: they should extend him. Not not too sure on that, honestly,
Speaker 8: it's more of a Kevin or Eli type question. But
Speaker 8: in terms of should they yes, if you like, it's
Speaker 8: too late on a lot of the other guys we've
Speaker 8: talked about in the past, and this would not be
Speaker 8: like a Jacob Marcy type deal like you saw last year,
Speaker 8: because at this point, not only his catcher a more
Speaker 8: valuable position than center, but Joe has been showing that
Speaker 8: he's been improving compared to Marcie when he really came
Speaker 8: out of the gates hot and Hovis the next steadily
Speaker 8: declined throughout the rest of the season. So anything match
Speaker 8: trending up and if they want to get it done,
Speaker 8: I feel like, honestly, after this next season, if it
Speaker 8: is played, it's going to be too late to extend
Speaker 8: a guy like Joe Matt. So the time is now,
Speaker 8: as soon as possible it can get this guy, because
Speaker 8: what he's looking at like you just said, Carver's JT realmutail, Like.
Speaker 4: I think it's also like you look at this, it's
Speaker 4: what you should do, right. You need to extend someone
Speaker 4: win over the fan base somehow a little bit, just
Speaker 4: a little bit, if it's Mac, if it's Uri, which
Speaker 4: I know people say Yuri's impossible to extend, But I'm
Speaker 4: looking at all these starting pitcher extensions and I think
Speaker 4: those are pretty fair price rangers for Uri, who was
Speaker 4: not quite an up and down career up to this point.
Speaker 4: Most recently Chase Burns, who got extended for a good
Speaker 4: chunk of money. And I think you're Wou'd be very
Speaker 4: happy to be one hundred million dollar pitcher in this game.
Speaker 4: But anyways, with Mac, I can't remember the last time
Speaker 4: a Catcher got extend. I guess Shaylangliers maybe got extended.
Speaker 4: That's no, not even Drake Baldwin. So it's been a while, so.
Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna correct it. It really hasn't been
Speaker 5: that long. It's been less than a years since Samuel
Speaker 5: Basaioh got his Memorials Drafters debut.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that was I'll be kind of quick on this.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 5: I saw mac as an extension candidate before the season.
Speaker 5: I thought that is when they could get the real
Speaker 5: value for him before debut, knowing that he was definitely
Speaker 5: gonna be joining the team early in the season.
Speaker 6: They didn't do that.
Speaker 5: And I think the reason why it's it's unusual for
Speaker 5: ketches speak extended overall is just because it's a position
Speaker 5: where the aging curve is different. Like a lot of
Speaker 5: these guys, it's before, it's not even after thirty, it's
Speaker 5: like before thirties. Sometimes they're like, you just don't get
Speaker 5: back to that same level yet before And for the Marlins,
Speaker 5: they have club control over him through his age twenty
Speaker 5: nine season, for all of his twenties as things currently stands,
Speaker 5: So what's the point of adding more years to it?
Speaker 5: It depends how you really feel about him as an
Speaker 5: overall athlete. I think he is a guy that, relative
Speaker 5: to the position, is more athletic than most. How you
Speaker 5: feel about the intangibles? I mean, to me, I think
Speaker 5: there's still some question about where he's going to settle
Speaker 5: in offensively, as the power is pretty good overall, the
Speaker 5: plate discipline is I don't think anything particularly special. The
Speaker 5: strikeout rate is considerably higher than average right now. So
Speaker 5: I just when you compare him to like real Mito,
Speaker 5: I don't really see. I don't think you're going to
Speaker 5: get that level consistency offensively. I do think that's very
Speaker 5: fair comp defensively overall. And just to go back to Besilloh,
Speaker 5: that was eight years, sixty seven million dollars, but he
Speaker 5: was a couple of years younger than Mac was, so
Speaker 5: that was ensuring that they get all of his twenties,
Speaker 5: and Basilah's was the same for hitter, and to this
Speaker 5: point he is. I mean, the results have actually been
Speaker 5: very similar to this point, but I think Basillah is
Speaker 5: the one that has much higher floor as an offensive
Speaker 5: player and maybe certainly more sketchiness as a defender. I think,
Speaker 5: all things considered, that is kind of the area you're
Speaker 5: looking at where that's probably what max representation we're gonna
Speaker 5: shoot for. I think the Mons could get anything just
Speaker 5: a little bit below that, below, like anything in like
Speaker 5: the fifty to sixty million dollar range over seven eight
Speaker 5: years where they had a couple more years of team
Speaker 5: control beyond what they already have. But in no particular
Speaker 5: year does it, you know, go past fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 5: I think that would kind of be the sweet spot.
Speaker 5: So usually don't see extensions in the middle of the year,
Speaker 5: but as Kevin reference, we just saw a couple of
Speaker 5: them across baseball. We saw not only Chase Burns, but
Speaker 5: also JJ Weatherholts or the Cardinals in the Pasaiah one
Speaker 5: I referenced. He got that one right in the middle
Speaker 5: of the season, right after he debuted. So there is
Speaker 5: some precedent for that to happen, even though it's more
Speaker 5: likely to beat tables until the offseason or such.
Speaker 4: Another extension with Oils did an extension with a picture
Speaker 4: too recently, but exactly Bradish, Yeah, but you look at
Speaker 4: like well, we had Robert Murray on too, and he
Speaker 4: was telling us like these are going to become a
Speaker 4: lot more common these mid season extensions, and he said
Speaker 4: that teams are probably talking to players as we speak
Speaker 4: right now, so it doesn't come as a surprise. I
Speaker 4: also think the interesting thing is here we look back
Speaker 4: at the offseason, we look at all the names that
Speaker 4: they were discussing extensions with. Marcy clearly does not deserve
Speaker 4: one anymore. Unfortunately, Kyle Stowers, No, I think guess what
Speaker 4: uri they were they tried didn't work. I would try
Speaker 4: to re engage in those if I were the Marlins.
Speaker 4: Probably not gonna work. So you look at this roster
Speaker 4: from top to bottom. Maybe if you want to keep
Speaker 4: Sandy a little bit longer, you do something there, is
Speaker 4: that going to be possible? Probably not. They're probably not
Speaker 4: gonna do it unless Bruce tells him that he wants
Speaker 4: Sandy here and he'll extended himself. But Joe Mack is
Speaker 4: probably the best name to look at, like there's really
Speaker 4: nobody else. It's it's Joe Mack, and you, Perez, is
Speaker 4: that to one hundred percent guys that you want to
Speaker 4: keep around and an extent maybe Otto, But I don't
Speaker 4: see that possible right now, and I wouldn't do it either.
Speaker 4: So it's Joe Joe Nieri or nobody really at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean, I want to hit this with you. I
Speaker 3: want to get your comments on this. You know, it
Speaker 3: satisfies kind of what we're seeing in the comments here
Speaker 3: on the screen, Like the Marlins never extend anybody. I
Speaker 3: have no faith that they will extend. Those are fair
Speaker 3: sentiments to come from fans because the Marlins don't extend
Speaker 3: a lot of players.
Speaker 2: That's not really how they've ever operated.
Speaker 3: I mean, they gave one to Stanton and then traded
Speaker 3: all of his money to the Yankees, So I mean
Speaker 3: it doesn't really even count.
Speaker 2: What two years into the contract he gets traded.
Speaker 3: I think you can correct me if I'm wrong on that,
Speaker 3: but it's pretty early into the contract, right before the
Speaker 3: big money years hit. He gets traded to the Yankees
Speaker 3: with all the money included, so or most of it,
Speaker 3: I guess I should say.
Speaker 2: So, you know, timing has to be right.
Speaker 3: It has to be a specific kind of player, as
Speaker 3: Eli was alluding to a specific kind of athlete. But
Speaker 3: I think even if the offense, even if the offense
Speaker 3: is is only ever at its floor, for this player,
Speaker 3: he does enough on defense to provide pots of value
Speaker 3: positive war year over a year, and you can't say
Speaker 3: that for a lot of catchers. And I think the offense,
Speaker 3: the floor of the offense really isn't bad and it's
Speaker 3: still becoming of a starter.
Speaker 2: I think at his worst, it's still a player that's gonna.
Speaker 3: Hit like at least like two thirty every year and
Speaker 3: pop at least like ten to fifteen home runs. That's
Speaker 3: my opinion, with the strikeouts not even being too too bad.
Speaker 2: But that's my opinion.
Speaker 3: Maybe some others see that the floor could be lower
Speaker 3: on the offense, which is fair. But even if his
Speaker 3: offense is at the floor, the defense is more than enough,
Speaker 3: and I think there's more room to grow into the
Speaker 3: offense as well. Maybe he goes through sophomore some next year,
Speaker 3: it's totally possible. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: it's a young player. He's a special defender, he's a
Speaker 3: great kid, says all the right things, does all the
Speaker 3: right things, learns a lot, did everything right through the
Speaker 3: miners as a high school catcher, which a lot of
Speaker 3: times don't pan out. Yeah, and yeah, you're right, Like
Speaker 3: catcher's age a lot differently than a normal player, which
Speaker 3: is why it's so rare. To see, you know, a
Speaker 3: catcher get a huge extension or a big extension. But
Speaker 3: I think that this player will have have no issue
Speaker 3: whatsoever sticking there.
Speaker 2: Through his prime years. I really don't think there's too
Speaker 2: much of worry. It's not even the guy who was
Speaker 2: really injured at all through his minor league career knock
Speaker 2: on Woods, So I mean he's durable. The arm is amazing.
Speaker 3: The pop times you see them every time a cop stealing.
Speaker 3: There's a reason why Kevin publishes the pop time because
Speaker 3: anything under one point nine is incredible. Like, this is
Speaker 3: a clear cut extension candidate in my opinion, even though
Speaker 3: he's a catcher. But I want to hear your comments
Speaker 3: in terms of like where where where.
Speaker 2: Are you on this?
Speaker 3: Are you okay with him being an extension candidate as
Speaker 3: long as if he's a catcher, Like what are your
Speaker 3: your comments on this one?
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely they should extend it. And again we've hit
Speaker 1: it with the floor on the skills he's had on defense,
Speaker 1: the transformative impact he had on this team. Now granted
Speaker 1: you know we're going through it right now obviously, but
Speaker 1: still the way the defense, you know, overall and you
Speaker 1: turn turned around, they're at the confidence you saw every
Speaker 1: picture you know, on the roster, having him right from
Speaker 1: the get go. That's something this team you know, desperately
Speaker 1: needed and still does. And that's not going you know,
Speaker 1: he's not going to age out of that. The arms,
Speaker 1: you know, going to play for quite some time. I'm
Speaker 1: Scott him got some power in his bat, you know,
Speaker 1: so that but even you know, if he doesn't, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to get better to be worth the money
Speaker 1: that we were talking about, you know, for that, you know,
Speaker 1: basile type extension and to the fan point of just
Speaker 1: needing to see someone extended, I definitely do think that
Speaker 1: is a factor. I think all the names you brought
Speaker 1: up are it's the shortlist of candidates that you can
Speaker 1: do that with. And this is a fan base that
Speaker 1: desperately needs to see that, and this is certainly a
Speaker 1: piece that they can and should build around. I would
Speaker 1: have no problem with it at all, based on what
Speaker 1: he's done. I think it's different than Marcia last year.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a different situation, you know, than
Speaker 1: that that was relying a lot on a really impressive
Speaker 1: offensive August, you know, for that, markets about what he's
Speaker 1: done with on defense all season, and that they should
Speaker 1: capitalize and extend him as soon as possible.
Speaker 6: Related point on it really quickly before we go to freak.
Speaker 5: But what does it mean for Augustine Ramirez who was
Speaker 5: the primary catcher a lot of last year and is
Speaker 5: catching pretty regularly down in Jacksonville right now, but for
Speaker 5: reasons that I don't think any of us fully understand,
Speaker 5: because it's not really turning a corner. Like I highlighted
Speaker 5: this really nice cost ceiling he had today, but that
Speaker 5: was like picking a needle out of a haystack because
Speaker 5: so many of his defensive plays have been low light
Speaker 5: since he going down there. He's been so error prone,
Speaker 5: like he's never going to stick at that position at
Speaker 5: the big league level. And I think that's an interesting
Speaker 5: name to just keep your eye on over the next
Speaker 5: eight days as a stealthy trade candidate, and Gus the
Speaker 5: fact that he's just I don't know what they're going
Speaker 5: to do with him really, given that they are still
Speaker 5: working him out as catcher, and I don't know who
Speaker 5: they're trying to showcase him for when it comes to that.
Speaker 5: And even though it's important to have some sort of
Speaker 5: depth at this position, as Carver kind of like mentions
Speaker 5: like max track record a durability these last four seasons
Speaker 5: has been pretty impeccable. He hasn't been hurt since twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two. They're just not going to need to invest
Speaker 5: very much in that catcher position moving forward. Outside of Mac,
Speaker 5: so Gus is somebody that maybe changes scenery candidate, which
Speaker 5: is hard to believe given where we were a year ago,
Speaker 5: but the past year has just gone pretty poorly on
Speaker 5: both sized the ball with him. Just a name to
Speaker 5: keep in mind, even though it would be selling love
Speaker 5: from the Marlins perspective, So that will hit. This quick
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Speaker 3: Louisiana back for the rest of what has been a
Speaker 3: jam packed but roller coaster of emotions. I guess I
Speaker 3: would say on the show so far, you know, I
Speaker 3: think we've we've found found the good as we can
Speaker 3: and what has been a very tough stretch for the
Speaker 3: Marlins hopefully coming to an end this week against the
Speaker 3: Phillies at home. We'll talk about that in a second.
Speaker 3: I want to get to two more things with you guys.
Speaker 3: We mentioned them already a couple times. Jacob Marcy so
Speaker 3: Jacob Marci Perier reporting Kevin is now as we heard
Speaker 3: I think in Houston it was said that he won't
Speaker 3: play every day against.
Speaker 2: Right hand and pitching.
Speaker 3: He is now, you know, succumbing some of those reps
Speaker 3: to the guys like Conine and Ruiz, who I think
Speaker 3: I've earned it for sure. Both of them have played
Speaker 3: extremely well. We've already started to see that happen. And
Speaker 3: we're also looking at the impending return of Owen Casey,
Speaker 3: who yesterday we're heard is continuing baseball activities. He's been
Speaker 3: able to run, hit and do defensive work with no issues.
Speaker 3: At per MLB dot com. So I guess we probably
Speaker 3: aren't too far away from Casey probably going on to
Speaker 3: rehab assignment, maybe to Jupiter, maybe.
Speaker 2: The Jacksonville, who knows.
Speaker 3: But my question for you guys is looking probably a
Speaker 3: little bit down the road. I know we're probably like
Speaker 3: at least a week to two weeks out on this,
Speaker 3: but Marcy's gotten the whole season to show improvement.
Speaker 2: We know that the Marlins still have faith in him.
Speaker 3: I think that there's reason to still like the player,
Speaker 3: given that he is a damn good defensive center fielder,
Speaker 3: a true center fielder. He holds that position down very well.
Speaker 3: It says that the bat has been a black hole,
Speaker 3: there's no getting around it. I guess this series he
Speaker 3: got two hits in the two games that he did play.
Speaker 3: I think he pinched hit, say two or yeah, I
Speaker 3: think he pitched it today as well. Didn't get anything.
Speaker 2: But for lack of a better term, he struggled very
Speaker 2: badly all the way through the year. So he's showing
Speaker 2: glimpses of the times of kind of battling through it,
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 3: It's kind of just fallen off and he hasn't really
Speaker 3: been able to stay consistent. So a triple A stent
Speaker 3: workd for Harry Berto, would it work for Jacob Marcy?
Speaker 3: I think we are of the opinion that it probably would.
Speaker 3: Marlins have yet to make that move. But will they
Speaker 3: do that when Owen Casey is ready to come back,
Speaker 3: And can they live through manning centerfield without Jacob Marcy
Speaker 3: if he continues to struggle for the next week to
Speaker 3: two weeks. Kevin, go ahead, I'll let you hit on this.
Speaker 3: What happens when Casey comes back? Is Marcy the guy
Speaker 3: they send down? Or does something else happen.
Speaker 4: I think by the time Casey's back, we should be
Speaker 4: pretty much very close to either the deadline or right
Speaker 4: after it. So I think we should have some moves
Speaker 4: made there that maybe open up a spot for Casey,
Speaker 4: just based off of trades. And I say this because
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I just have a feeling they're
Speaker 4: going to move on from Griffin Conine. They don't talk
Speaker 4: about him as much as I think they I think
Speaker 4: they should, they don't. It feels like they had their
Speaker 4: guys right, and that's something that we've said with Braxon,
Speaker 4: with other guys in the organization, and I think specifically
Speaker 4: just look at this Casey situation. I think he'll just
Speaker 4: take Conin spot. If Conin has moved. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: he is. I'm not reporting that they're looking to move him,
Speaker 4: but I don't know. I just have a feeling they
Speaker 4: will when it comes to Marci. Yeah, I think this
Speaker 4: is step one and let's see what you got in
Speaker 4: this type of situation, and we'll go from there. If
Speaker 4: he continues to struggle, if it doesn't go well for him,
Speaker 4: they'll just have to send him down. Because there's this
Speaker 4: guy named cam Canerella who continues to rake and continues
Speaker 4: to prove that he is more than ready. And I
Speaker 4: know the defensive aspect and the base running aspect for
Speaker 4: Marshie specifically, something that they would be losing because he's
Speaker 4: second on the team in stolen bases and he's buy
Speaker 4: out above average, a pretty good defender in center field. Now,
Speaker 4: this was not a very good series for base running,
Speaker 4: and Marcy was at the forefront of that. And you
Speaker 4: even look at Houston not very good either because they
Speaker 4: got thrown out a couple of times. So at this
Speaker 4: point you just have to assume it's something mental with him.
Speaker 4: I really don't think he is a terrible baseball player.
Speaker 4: I think he's a serviceable guy when when he is
Speaker 4: a decent player. I just think maybe the pressure got
Speaker 4: to end this season a little bit too much in
Speaker 4: terms of like, hey, you're gonna have to step up,
Speaker 4: be the guy, play every day. And I think this
Speaker 4: is something they should have done at least a month ago.
Speaker 4: This this transition off of being an everyday guy against
Speaker 4: right handed pitching, and this is something ELI had noted,
Speaker 4: like Marcias started every single game against the right handed
Speaker 4: starting pitcher until that game against Houston where they started Ruiz,
Speaker 4: And rightfully so, Ruiz deserves it. He's been probably the
Speaker 4: best acquisition for Peter this offseason, at least on the
Speaker 4: position player side. It's a very low bar, but he
Speaker 4: didn't need it. And overall he's probably number one or
Speaker 4: number two, right behind John King or ahead of Junking,
Speaker 4: however youone assess that. But yeah, Ruise deserves it. Conan
Speaker 4: and I do believe deserves it a lot too, because
Speaker 4: he has been good. And I look at Conan and
Speaker 4: as one of those solid players that just plays well
Speaker 4: good overall defense. He has a great arm in the
Speaker 4: outfield and he's just a consistent hitter. He doesn't need
Speaker 4: to hit twenty bombs twenty five bombs, he hits fifteen
Speaker 4: of them. You're happy with a good on base and
Speaker 4: a solid approach, which I think Conan has certainly evolved
Speaker 4: from what we saw during his Double eight a's and
Speaker 4: even early Triple A where he was striking out almost
Speaker 4: forty percent at the time. He's a much different player
Speaker 4: from that, and I think that's a really good thing
Speaker 4: and unfortunate. That's why I think teams would probably target
Speaker 4: Conen as a trade option when it comes to the deadline.
Speaker 4: Arizona needs an outfielder, Phillies need an outfielder. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of teams that need anutfield. I'm gonn come out
Speaker 4: with an article on a team that I think Conac
Speaker 4: could end up in because I think we have unfortunately
Speaker 4: reached a point where the Moons are We're looking at
Speaker 4: this from a seller's perspective. We dropped the one for Hicks.
Speaker 4: Con En is up tomorrow. So yeah, Casey, I think
Speaker 4: just would take Kona spot it. There's a trade, now
Speaker 4: there's no trade. Yeah, you gotta send down Marci if
Speaker 4: he continues to struggle, or whoever continues to struggle. At
Speaker 4: this point, they have grand Poli on the roster, and
Speaker 4: maybe they could just get rid of Polly or or
Speaker 4: Leohimanez if he continues to struggle. Maybe there's a name
Speaker 4: I'm forgetting.
Speaker 2: Oh nav Ritto.
Speaker 4: Holy shit, he's still on the roster. They could send
Speaker 4: him down. So there are guys that could send down. Yes,
Speaker 4: over a Marshie before Marsi. But if they are so
Speaker 4: adamant about keeping Leo he managed Grandpa and Brian Ovarette
Speaker 4: on the roster, then I guess Marcia would get sent down.
Speaker 5: For cases. It took you a few minutes, but you
Speaker 5: kind of got to where I was originally on this
Speaker 5: that I don't think they're necessarily related. One on one
Speaker 5: Casey coming back soon and Marci potentially going down, But
Speaker 5: without going like too granular on that stuff, because as
Speaker 5: you said, this has coming almost certainly right after the deadline.
Speaker 5: There we think the Martins are gonna make some sort
Speaker 5: of moves and they're gonna be very open minded, so
Speaker 5: we're not going to try to predict the moves and
Speaker 5: all the related stuff. But just on Marsie, the fact
Speaker 5: that it's kind of a combination of the physical and
Speaker 5: the mental and the physical is pretty obvious to me
Speaker 5: on several fronts. One, he's just not getting to his
Speaker 5: power the way that he did last year. The reason
Speaker 5: why he was such a breakup layer in the organization
Speaker 5: last season, he was all of a sudden, he's showing
Speaker 5: an average power conservatively, and he showed at the big
Speaker 5: league level, and that small sample size as well, and
Speaker 5: this years old, without even looking it up. I think
Speaker 5: he has three homers because I can remember them because
Speaker 5: every time he hit one and made me feel like, hey,
Speaker 5: you might be turning the corner, and yet he hasn't.
Speaker 5: So the power going away, the plate discipline going from
Speaker 5: being elite, that was what we were excited about as well,
Speaker 5: when I got called up elite plate disciplines going You know, Okay,
Speaker 5: that's a pretty big difference in terms of his player value.
Speaker 5: You mentioned the base running, maybe a little bit physical there,
Speaker 5: but that's almost all mental. The fact that he's just
Speaker 5: making really weird decisions of the indecisiveness he had during
Speaker 5: that play on Saturday's game really stood out in a
Speaker 5: way that this guy's just not a great frame of
Speaker 5: mind right now. And we touched on his role changed
Speaker 5: there was that game in Houston where he didn't face
Speaker 5: a riety, and then today today was another one of
Speaker 5: those days where they're facing a right handed starting pitcher
Speaker 5: and not a very good one in Walker Bueler at
Speaker 5: this stage of his career, and yet he's on the bench.
Speaker 5: I chuckled in our group chat when in the late
Speaker 5: ennings and the ninth inning he finally comes off the
Speaker 5: bench to pinch hit against Mason Miller.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: That's just one of those other head scratching ideas. You
Speaker 5: take this guy that is completely law as a hitter
Speaker 5: and you say you just throw them into the fire
Speaker 5: against Mason.
Speaker 2: Miller, maybe this will snap them out of it.
Speaker 5: And that did not work out either. So the combination
Speaker 5: of the physical going wrong the mental going wrong, not
Speaker 5: that he necessarily deserves against sent down. As you noted,
Speaker 5: there are guys on this roster that I think are
Speaker 5: less equipped to help this team win games in various forms.
Speaker 5: But this is about getting Marcie right for his future.
Speaker 5: This is a guy that I think they still have
Speaker 5: as a very significant part of their long term plans.
Speaker 5: You want to get them right, and in his case,
Speaker 5: I think he would benefit from some time off sometime
Speaker 5: out of the major league level. So even if they
Speaker 5: don't like any of the alternatives down there, whether it's
Speaker 5: Andrew Pintar or Matthew Etzel, I thy the other potential
Speaker 5: call ups that they can make Kemp Alderman, who I
Speaker 5: think they like a lot but obviously can't help in
Speaker 5: center field whatsoever. Like, even if there isn't a suitable replacement,
Speaker 5: if you're this is a team that's not really going
Speaker 5: to be in full contention anyway, you just got to
Speaker 5: do what's best for the player long term. And so
Speaker 5: for him, even though I'm not expecting it, I would
Speaker 5: be on board if they gave him just a little
Speaker 5: bit of a breather down in Triple A to reset
Speaker 5: things and try to salvage this season.
Speaker 3: In addition to ConA and Kevin, there's also harro Berto
Speaker 3: who could nothing.
Speaker 2: He is he could be a trade candidate as well.
Speaker 4: So if they do move in outfield, well, look at yesterday,
Speaker 4: Look at yesterday Connolly early got traded for Curtis meet.
Speaker 4: I think Eli made a great had a great tweeter
Speaker 4: he told us in the chat, Like that's that's a
Speaker 4: great way to look at it, right, So definitely something
Speaker 4: to consider there to with Bert. I know Eli had
Speaker 4: Emerson Hancock in that trade for Bert. I know certain
Speaker 4: someone named you know, I wouldn't even say. Someone on
Speaker 4: Twitter said it was a very bad trade. But whatever,
Speaker 4: we move on.
Speaker 3: No comment on that anyways, we'll go on. I agree,
Speaker 3: we'll see what they do at the deadline. I don't
Speaker 3: think we're quite near the position where we're going to
Speaker 3: guess at the moves that they make. I think we're
Speaker 3: gonna probably wait at least this Philly series before we
Speaker 3: like primely labeled the Marlins as sellers. Maybe they sweep
Speaker 3: the Phillies and Padres losing games, you know, Padres leap
Speaker 3: frogged Marlins today, and maybe the Marlins can get back
Speaker 3: some positions in the standings for the Wild Purbais, they're
Speaker 3: now three games out of We'll see, but I think
Speaker 3: this series is a make your break series as we
Speaker 3: go into previewing the division rival Philadelphia Phillies, who are
Speaker 3: doing much better under our old friend Don Manningly. So firstly,
Speaker 3: to you guys, I mean we're seeing them come back.
Speaker 3: This team, I think we all knew it was kind
Speaker 3: of too good to struggle the way that they were
Speaker 3: under Thompson and manningly has this ship kind of righted
Speaker 3: and they're doing pretty damn well as you can see
Speaker 3: right now since the last time Marlin saw them. So yeah,
Speaker 3: Phillies coming into town. First question to you, guys, Sean,
Speaker 3: I'll go to you first, is this make or break
Speaker 3: for the Marlins? Do they have to at least take
Speaker 3: two or three for them to still say they have
Speaker 3: a chance this here?
Speaker 1: Well, I thought this series was make or break a
Speaker 1: lot of sway against the Padres, But assuming that I
Speaker 1: was wrong about that, then yes, absolutely they would need to,
Speaker 1: especially with them having their three best horses going in
Speaker 1: the rotation. Didn't really get any luck you know there,
Speaker 1: unlike they've had, you know, during when they were doing well,
Speaker 1: they caught a lot of lucky breaks. This is going
Speaker 1: to be the best that the Phillies could could offer,
Speaker 1: you know, for this lineup. So if they yeah, if
Speaker 1: they lose this, then that's that's it. That's too much
Speaker 1: ground to lose. It's another team that you'll is ahead
Speaker 1: of you in the playoff race if you'd be seen
Speaker 1: if you made the postseason, and if they don't show
Speaker 1: some magic quickly, then.
Speaker 2: This is it agreed?
Speaker 3: Definitely, It's gonna take a pretty prime effort from the Marlins.
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to be at their best because this
Speaker 3: team's good. My question to you, guys, Eli, I'll go
Speaker 3: to you, what's the difference? What's been the difference other
Speaker 3: than Donnie managing?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how.
Speaker 3: Much he has just in this but after he took over,
Speaker 3: this team has been pretty pretty good. And we knew
Speaker 3: that the lineup was too good to fail for too
Speaker 3: too long of a time. So yeah, what what is
Speaker 3: the difference in your mind in this Phillies team since
Speaker 3: not too long ago this year.
Speaker 5: I'm sort of gonna reject the entire premise of this
Speaker 5: question and go lean on something I've told you guys.
Speaker 5: Disagreements are healthy, Like this is the Phillies tin that
Speaker 5: did turn things around for a significant period of time
Speaker 5: in the first half of the season, but they're kind
Speaker 5: of limping into town against Marlins. We're talking as the
Speaker 5: Sunday night baseball game gets underway. Maybe they win it
Speaker 5: and they have better vibes coming into it, but they're
Speaker 5: going to lose this series against the Yankees after losing
Speaker 5: their previous series I'll throw up the standings against look
Speaker 5: very closely at the separation. There's only four and a
Speaker 5: half games between the Marlins and the Phillies. If the
Speaker 5: Marlins shockingly swip the Phillies, that's one and a half
Speaker 5: games separating them. They've lost four in a row. They
Speaker 5: have a negative run differential on the season minus eighteen.
Speaker 5: The Marlins have a better run differential this season than
Speaker 5: the Phillies do, and most of this season at this
Speaker 5: point has now been managed under Donnie making his return.
Speaker 5: I just want to point to the one particular area
Speaker 5: where the Phillies continue to be mentally disappointing. Offensively, they are.
Speaker 5: They're really not in any better condition than the Marlins
Speaker 5: are as of late. The Phillies for the season overall,
Speaker 5: this really shocked me. They are twenty ninth in baseball
Speaker 5: in WRC plus. Their offense is the second worst offense
Speaker 5: in baseball for the whole season. This is the Kyle
Speaker 5: Schwarber and Bryce Harper offense, and outside of them, it's
Speaker 5: a lot of zeros and a lot of inconsistent bats.
Speaker 5: So it really comes down to that with this Phillies team,
Speaker 5: they've been carried. If you've been you know, trying to
Speaker 5: focus on the positives's they're pitching, Like the high end
Speaker 5: starting pitching that they have really is amazing. Zach Wheeler,
Speaker 5: Christopher Sanchez and now old friend Jesos Lozardo. That is
Speaker 5: the best one two three in baseball and I don't
Speaker 5: think you can really come up with a close second
Speaker 5: right now. So that is what has been very good
Speaker 5: for them. The Marlins are gonna have to face two
Speaker 5: of those three headed monsters. They are gonna have to
Speaker 5: face Wheeler in the opener and then Lozardo in the finale.
Speaker 5: But offensively, this is a very challenged Phillies team. This
Speaker 5: is not a deep roster whatsoever on deep lineup, and
Speaker 5: that is why I guess I'll tease it in the
Speaker 5: fact that Kevin kind of mocked Griffin Conine potentially.
Speaker 6: Going to the Phillies.
Speaker 5: The Philly could use a lot of help in that
Speaker 5: particular area where a guy like Conine would be a
Speaker 5: huge upgrade for them, even as a platoon player.
Speaker 6: Potentially they need a lot of help.
Speaker 5: Offensively, they're going to be a serious World Series contender
Speaker 5: because right now they are just lopsided in terms of
Speaker 5: talent so much concentrated on the pitching side and pretty
Speaker 5: good defensively, but hitting anyway, slize that they've continued to
Speaker 5: be pretty deficient in that area.
Speaker 4: That's one thing I wanted to note, and I wish
Speaker 4: and I was gonna tell you, like I wish ELI
Speaker 4: would just on that screenshot of the standards just go
Speaker 4: maybe one or two more slots down, because you look
Speaker 4: at the phill Is they have a negative eighteen run
Speaker 4: differential that they're expected when lost. They're supposed to be
Speaker 4: the Marlins. They're supposed to be fifty one and fifty four,
Speaker 4: so they should be kind of where the Marlins are
Speaker 4: right now, where Miami, which is barely holding on to
Speaker 4: their plus two run differential, is that fifty three and
Speaker 4: fifty three. So the Marbles should right now have lost
Speaker 4: like eleven straight and their five hundred or whatever ten
Speaker 4: straight and they're five hundred and there are somewhat in it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I didn't actually realize how much how close
Speaker 4: the gap was between the Marls and the Phillies. And
Speaker 4: I guess Miami is a pretty decent opportunity to TVD
Speaker 4: for the third game. I'm assuming it's just gonna be
Speaker 4: Ryan Gusto starting that game. But yeah, you have Sandy
Speaker 4: in the middle game, and then you have Tyler Phillips tomorrow,
Speaker 4: who I thought Phillips was fine against the Astros after
Speaker 4: you know, the first two rough innings and then he
Speaker 4: really settled in. And I'm sure he's got some revenge
Speaker 4: on his mind after what happened in Philly the last
Speaker 4: time that it did not go very well at all.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I didn't realize how not I guess not
Speaker 4: bad the Phillies have been, just how reliant on Harper
Speaker 4: and Schwerburn. I guess that three headed monsters have been
Speaker 4: this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Catching a team that's better on the road, their pitching
Speaker 2: is what you have to get past. Agreed. You know,
Speaker 2: I think it's been up and down for them. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's been all good. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's been all bad. Yeah, the run Deer franchial will
Speaker 3: tell you that their their offense struggle. There's seven hundred
Speaker 3: tm ops, but tell you that their offense struggles, which
Speaker 3: it does. So it's kind of weird to see a
Speaker 3: Phillies team that plays in that ballpark kind of leon pitching.
Speaker 2: It's kind of what they do, and they have damn
Speaker 2: good pitching.
Speaker 3: So, like I said, they're better on the road. They're
Speaker 3: seven games better on the road, twenty nine and twenty two,
Speaker 3: I think they are on the road. So coming into
Speaker 3: Miami against the Marlins team that is down and out
Speaker 3: for lack of a better term, So I think it's
Speaker 3: going to be an interesting series. It's kind of good
Speaker 3: to what Eli you said that they come in having
Speaker 3: lost what their last four, potentially their last five if
Speaker 3: they lose this game to the Yankees.
Speaker 2: So maybe the Marlins are catching a team. Somebody's someone's
Speaker 2: got to break somewhere.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's against the Phillies, who haven't been great, especially
Speaker 3: in terms of their offense, but they kind of, like
Speaker 3: I said, lean on their pitching.
Speaker 2: How much does Donnie have to do with that? I
Speaker 2: think talent's always been there for this team.
Speaker 3: I think eventually, I mean we're halfway through the year
Speaker 3: and I'm saying, let's I think eventually their offense should
Speaker 3: come back to life given how much star power they.
Speaker 4: Have in it.
Speaker 3: And shout out to my boy gamering Knus by the way,
Speaker 3: Sid from fau Glad to see that he's with the team. Anyways, Yeah,
Speaker 3: It's kind of kind of the battle of two in
Speaker 3: the Marlins case, a bad team right now and a
Speaker 3: just so so team that just happens to be leading
Speaker 3: a division. So yeah, uh, it's it's gonna be an
Speaker 3: interesting time in Miami this this coming series. As you
Speaker 3: know that Sean the Marns, we'll get there's two big
Speaker 3: guys and then a TBD. Do we know who's gonna
Speaker 3: fill that spot or is it still kind of ups.
Speaker 4: I'm assuming it's Gust though, Yeah, gonna have either him
Speaker 4: or Bok or some sort of or docks I guess now, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That Witches White, So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not confidence as we head into prediction time,
Speaker 3: but I will get to that here in a second.
Speaker 2: Uh, Eli, you gotta last ad to play or play
Speaker 2: the video?
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm.
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Speaker 6: That this is prodiction time. That's my prediction, but who knows?
Speaker 2: There you go for prediction time. So will the bleeding
Speaker 2: finally stop?
Speaker 3: Or will the Marlins who cringe when I say this,
Speaker 3: go to a fifteen game losing strike.
Speaker 2: It is possible in this series? Uh, what will happen?
Speaker 2: What do we think?
Speaker 3: Do the Marlins finally finally getna win? Sean Millerrick, go ahead,
Speaker 3: your prediction for the series and your MVP.
Speaker 1: I have the Marlins winning one game, So not the
Speaker 1: on to fifteen, but only one game in this series,
Speaker 1: and Kyle Schwarber will be the series MVP.
Speaker 4: Kevin streak will be snapped, but unfortunately, the Phillies take
Speaker 4: two out of three. Bryce Harper has been so good,
Speaker 4: so I'm just gonna go with them as a series MVP.
Speaker 2: Be brief on this one.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Marlins cracked through for a series win.
Speaker 3: I do think they get one game, though, So the
Speaker 3: Phillies win two out of three and Kyle Schwarber's the MVP,
Speaker 3: Eli the Founder.
Speaker 5: To wrap us up, I'll go with the Phillies winning
Speaker 5: two out of three. As I kind of elaborated, I'm
Speaker 5: not too high on them as a whole. It doesn't
Speaker 5: line up fairly well that they get two of their
Speaker 5: top three starting pitchers going in this series, and that
Speaker 5: the Marlins are still going to have to wait a
Speaker 5: little while longer to get these real reinforcements back from
Speaker 5: the IL. Maybe they surprise us and may look for
Speaker 5: a spark, do some sort of sexy roster moves to
Speaker 5: try to get the energy up, bring up a guy
Speaker 5: that's performing well in Jacksonville. But outside of that, I
Speaker 5: just think it's still kind of flat, a team that
Speaker 5: is still finding all these different ways to lose.
Speaker 6: So I think they went won, they snapped.
Speaker 5: The streak in this series, but end up still falling
Speaker 5: even further behind in the wild card race. So forst
Speaker 5: series MVP, I'll go with Trey Turner. He has been
Speaker 5: heating up quite a bit as of Ladies. They needed
Speaker 5: something for the Phillies to help out Schorber and Harper
Speaker 5: in that offense, and Turner, after getting off to a
Speaker 5: terrible start, has come around offensively to be closer to
Speaker 5: the guy that they've been counting on. So I think
Speaker 5: Trey Turner will pepper the Marlins with a lot of
Speaker 5: singles and doubles over the course of the series and
Speaker 5: to help manufacture some runs against them that will end
Speaker 5: up making the difference in this three gift set.
Speaker 3: A perplexing team coming in the Phillies, as we said
Speaker 3: with the ruond differential, but they've still gotten it done
Speaker 3: and they're still in the division race against the Braves,
Speaker 3: so obviously still in a wildcard.
Speaker 2: So again, I think they.
Speaker 3: Have too much starpower not to be really damn good
Speaker 3: down the stretch under Donnie, So yeah, that's our show
Speaker 3: for today. I think a lot of us are still
Speaker 3: doom and gloom, but maybe the Marlins surprises and get
Speaker 3: too out of three. We'll be there to cover it
Speaker 3: as we always are on the site in person in
Speaker 3: this series, see if the Marlins can finally end this
Speaker 3: horrid stretch which man, we found the positives.
Speaker 2: In it, but they're few and far between, so I
Speaker 2: think that will be our show for now.
Speaker 3: Maybe we're talking about the Marlins being pure sellers on
Speaker 3: our next show later this week.
Speaker 2: Maybe they bounce back in surprise us, and we still
Speaker 2: hold on to hope.
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens after this three game set against
Speaker 3: the Phillies. We'll see guys a little bit later on
Speaker 3: the week. Thanks for all the questions. I'll the support,
Speaker 3: all the feedback on Twitter. It's fun to engage with.
Speaker 3: We appreciate everything, and we'll continue to do our best
Speaker 3: to cover the Marlins good or bad.
Speaker 2: For now. That's it. I think I speak for all
Speaker 2: of us when I say, please, please go Fish get
Speaker 2: a win.
Speaker 4: Yah