1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I hope you're sitting down. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: You may need to lay down for this. A woman 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: dressed as a clown with flowers in balloons guns down 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: the wife of her lover. When the wife answers the 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: front door, and guess what, the so called clown killer 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: is walking free. I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. A Florida woman dubbed 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: the killer clown after she murders the wife of a 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: man she later marries, has walked out of prison. Okay, 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: there's just so much to unpack right there. Why would 11 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: he marry a woman that killed his wife, even if 12 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: he's no longer in love with the Why would you 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: marry her? What about your children? What are they supposed 14 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: to think now? The so called female killer clown walked 15 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: free for years before she was finally apprehended, and now 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: she walks free again. Is there no justice? What is 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: going on in Florida? Okay, let's start at the beginning. 18 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: Take a listen. 19 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: What do you remember of May twenty sixth, nineteen ninety. 20 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 3: I remember that being one of the most terrible days 21 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 3: of my life. 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: You're in the house with your mom, right, Yes, what's 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 2: going on? Well, a typical morning. 24 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: She and I were cooking breakfast that morning, joking Karen. 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: On did Marlene have any enemies in this world? 26 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: None? 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: Everybody loved her. 28 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: She is my everything, a mom, my friend, She was 29 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: my everything. I was in the living room. 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 5: I sat down in the eaves. 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 4: There was a balloon and some clown coming at the door. 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Look at that client. 33 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 5: She was going to that door. She was excited. 34 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: When your mother opened the door, did she say something? 35 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 6: Oh? 36 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: How pretty well? 37 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 3: At first we thought maybe it was a balloon opped, 38 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: but when we saw our fall, we knew something was 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: definitely seriously wrong. 40 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 4: We had no clue what was going on. It was 41 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 4: like the whole world was in slow emotion. 42 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: Did the clown say anything, nothing, not a word. 43 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: The clown slowly walked back to the car like no 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 4: care in the world. 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: The clown slowly walked back to the car, not a 46 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: care in the world. The clown didn't speak, The voice 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: was never heard. I was just listening to this son 48 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: talk about his mother. I was just thinking about you 49 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: grow up with your mother, and they had to think 50 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: your mother, essentially your world at a young age, goes 51 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: to the door and gets shot dead again. I'm Nancy Grace. 52 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here 53 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: at Fox Nations Series XM with me an all star panel, 54 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: and boy do we need a panel on this one. 55 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: Kirk Nermi is with me, renowned trial lawyer who represented 56 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: Jody Arius at trial, author of Trapped with Miss Arias 57 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: on Amazon. Doctor Angela Arnold, well known psychiatrist, joining us 58 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Jeff Cortesi, former FBI Special Agent. 59 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, joining us from 60 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: Erie County mm's office. That's Buffalo. George skiro DNA technical leader, 61 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: lab director at Scales Biological Laboratory, Inc. But right now 62 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: to Crime Online dot Com, I'm an investigative reporter. Levi Page, Levi. 63 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: I want to start at the beginning, when Marlene Warren 64 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: goes to the door, tell me what happened. 65 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 7: So, Nancy, this is in Wellington, Florida, Palm Beach County, 66 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 7: and it's nineteen ninety it's a Memorial Day weekend, and 67 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 7: forty year old Marlene Warren, she was eating breakfast with 68 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 7: her son and his friends. They were in their early 69 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 7: twenties and the doorbell rings. She got up to answer it, 70 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 7: and she opened the door and there was a clown 71 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 7: that had a flower arrangement and balloons. And that's not 72 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 7: all he had. He had a gun, pulled it out 73 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 7: and I say he meaning a clown, you think of 74 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 7: a He and shot Marlene Warren dead shot her in 75 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 7: the face, then got into a white Chrysler convertible and 76 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 7: left the scene. Marlene Warren died two days later in 77 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 7: the hospital. 78 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: There's so many questions, just rickcheting off the inside of 79 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: my mind right now, because you know, if you look 80 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: at this Jeff Cortesi for or FBI, she's so clearly 81 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: targeted because the person walks up to the door, rings 82 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: the doorbell, she answers the shooter, and then walk back 83 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: to the car. This isn't a drive by shooting. It's 84 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: not a rape, it's not a burglary, it's not a robbery. 85 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: She is targeted. Not only that the killer clown takes 86 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: great efforts to cover their identity. They never utter a word, 87 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: which means they don't want their voice to be heard. 88 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: This has to be someone that knows her, or is 89 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: obsessed with her, or has been watching her. And my 90 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: guess would be she knows them too. Agree or disagree? 91 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 8: No, absolutely agree. 92 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 6: This is a cold, calculated and well thought out I mean, 93 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 6: the steps that were taken to shield the identity of 94 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 6: the shooter from anybody around were very well planned out, 95 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 6: and all indications are that these two people would know 96 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 6: each other. 97 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: The first thing I would be doing is trying to 98 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: get the make and model of that vehicle that the 99 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: killer was driving, and going to every grocery store in 100 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: about a ten to fifteen mile vicinity that sales balloons 101 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: or flowers. You know, there's always that balloon and flower 102 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: section typically in grocery stores. Definitely flowers, first move, and 103 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: looking for forensics. For all I know, the clown was 104 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: wearing gloves. Take a listen. Now you are hearing Peter 105 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: van Zana at forty eight hours. This is Alexandra Stone 106 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: at k ETV. Listen. 107 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 9: Marlene Warren was in her Aero Club community home with 108 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 9: her adult sign and some of his friends. They were 109 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 9: eating breakfast when they noticed someone at their front door. 110 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 9: Marlene answered it, revealing a person dressed as a clown 111 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 9: holding two balloons and a basket of flowers. A witness 112 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 9: who was present at the time recall what happened next 113 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 9: in a police interview, saying mar Orlene made a remark like, 114 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 9: you know, oh how nice, you know and everything. 115 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: She was happy about it, and when she went to reach. 116 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 9: And grab for it, he just shot her in the 117 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 9: mouth twice. 118 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: The witnesses that the scene said that the clown just 119 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: turned around, walked back to the car, got into the 120 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: white price of the baron, and just drove away very calmly. 121 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: A chrys a little bear in color white. Doctor Angela Arnold, 122 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela. 123 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: The fact that this woman, this mother, was shot twice 124 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: in the mouth. Now, I know a lot of people 125 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: think that that's just let me just say by accident, 126 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: not that the shooting is by accident, but that the 127 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: shooting in the mouth, I think it's on purpose. 128 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 10: But shot in the mouth, it was very much on purpose. 129 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 10: The clown wanted to distigure. The clown wanted to make 130 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 10: sure that she was dead. It was very thought out 131 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 10: and calculated. It's always is one where someone shooting. 132 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking about the fact that she was shot 133 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: in the mouth, not just shot in the chest or 134 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: the head, but she was shot twice in the mouth, 135 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: and I find that very very significant to correct. Nurmi, 136 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: you represented Jody Arius. She shot Travis Alexander. I know 137 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: you said she didn't fine have it your way, but 138 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: he was stabbed twenty nine times, I think, and shot 139 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: in the head. It's significant when the shooter picks the head, 140 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: the face in this case, the mouth in which they 141 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: shoot the victim. And I think in your case, Areas 142 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: was at close range to Travis Alexander, she knew she 143 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: was shooting him in the head. In this case, the 144 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: clown was at close range. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 145 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes it just feels like there ain't no justice. 146 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: A jealous mistress dresses up like a clown and delivers flowers, balloons, 147 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: and a bullet to the wife of her lover as 148 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: the wife mother. That's right, This wife is a mother, 149 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: answers the front a door. And now, in their wisdom, 150 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: the Florida Justice officials have released her. Sheila Keene One 151 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: pled guilty to second degree murder after she admits she 152 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: dressed up like a clown, even clutching balloons and flowers 153 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: in hand, and gunning down a woman shooting her in 154 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: the face on the doorstep of her own home. But 155 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: just eighteen months after that guilty plea, she walks free. Yes, 156 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: she's out of jail. What happened that faithful day? Marlene 157 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: Warren goes to the door. She thinks she's getting a surprise, 158 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: flowers and balloons. What she gets a surprise? All right? 159 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: She gets shot dead twice in the mouth. Normie, don't 160 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: you think your client? Jody aris aside, it is significant 161 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: when someone is shot close range, specifically in the mouth. 162 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: That is a deep psychological uh, it's a neon sign 163 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: to me. 164 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 11: Well, it certainly adds a personal anger element to it. Right, 165 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 11: It's not just a matter of killing. It's a matter 166 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 11: of disfiguring, naming, and making sure that person life and 167 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 11: their deaths will never be the same. It is a 168 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 11: intensely personal way of shooting someone. 169 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: Well, another thing pointing at the mouth. You want to 170 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: make sure she Marlene Warren never says another word. But 171 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: why to doctor Catherine Maloney, deputy medical examiner joining me 172 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: out of Erie County, Buffalo, Is there any way a 173 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: person could live if they have been shot front to 174 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: back in the mouth. 175 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 12: It would really depend on the trajectory of the bullet. 176 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 7: So if the bullet goes straight. 177 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 12: Front to back such that it hits the base of 178 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 12: the brain, then the person will definitely die because you 179 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 12: require the bottom part of your brain to stay alive. 180 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 12: If instead, however, the bullet manages to either go to 181 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 12: the right or the left, you know, sort of towards 182 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 12: through the side of the head, it's possible that the 183 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 12: person could survive, but it would be a very long 184 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 12: and prolonged process to kind of put them back together again. 185 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: To Levipage climbonline dot Com investigative reporter, do we know 186 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: whether the clown was wearing gloves? 187 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 7: We don't know that for sure, Nancy. 188 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: So To George Skiro, DNA really on the forefront of 189 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: DNA Forensic Scientists, Lab Director Scales Biological Labs, George Skiro, 190 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: if she's when Marlene goes to the door, she opens 191 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: the door. If the clown is wearing gloves, what's the 192 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: likelihood we're going to get any DNA off the balloons 193 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: of the flowers. 194 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 13: Now, Mancy, it depends on the person who was dressed 195 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 13: as the clown handled the items beforehand without gloves, then 196 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 13: there may be some DNA present. But of course in 197 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 13: order to do that, you have to find the gloves, 198 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 13: and you need to find the person so that you 199 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 13: could then compare the DNA to that person. 200 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: Well, another issue is if the clown went and bought 201 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: the flowers and the balloons, say in the grocery store, 202 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: would they have been wearing the gloves at the time 203 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: of the purchase. Their DNA could be on the balloons, 204 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: could be on the flowers. What would that be touch DNA. 205 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 13: Yes, that would be touched DNA where someone's DNA is 206 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 13: transferred basically from the skin on their hands to the 207 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 13: items that they're handling. 208 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen now to Peter van Zandt At 209 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: forty eight hours. 210 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 14: Joe was living at home and his friends were over 211 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 14: that morning, including Jeannie Pratt, who helped ten to Marlene 212 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 14: a neighbor called nine one one. 213 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 4: I was right next to her and I rolled her 214 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 4: tour side. Was a big hole in her cheek and 215 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 4: up a lip. 216 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 14: Joe, hobbled by a broken leg and cast followed the clown. 217 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 14: Outside the shooter's car, a white Chrysler le Baron was 218 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 14: parked in the driveway. 219 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 3: The car was right here. The door was open, the 220 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: car was running. I tried to get the clown to 221 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: turn around. I call him every word in the book. 222 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 5: The shooter looked back. 223 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 14: Joe saw white and red clown makeup, a fuzzy orange wig, 224 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 14: and the eyes of the person who had just shot 225 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 14: his mother. 226 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: Just really dark brown eyes. 227 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 5: The shooter calmly got in the car and drove away. 228 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: Didn't even squeal a tire, just drove off like nothing happened. 229 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: What does that tell you to Jeff Cortesi, former FBI 230 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: special agent, I. 231 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 8: Mean it tells me that there was a lot of 232 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 8: thought that was put into this. I mean, when you 233 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 8: put yourself in a high stress situation, you know, the 234 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 8: world starts to shrink around you, the heart rate starts going, 235 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 8: you get tunnel vision, et cetera. In order to overcome that, 236 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 8: it takes either a great amount of training in high 237 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 8: stress situations and a great amount of planning. So this 238 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 8: was somebody who did not allow the events taking place 239 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 8: to change or manipulate the behavior beyond what they had 240 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 8: intended to do, and that was remain calm and cool 241 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 8: and get in and out and it was it's cold. 242 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: In the theory, I find that pretty bold, pretty brace 243 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: and not to even run. If I had just murdered somebody, 244 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: I would at least run to get away. Here's Peter 245 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: van sant Listen. 246 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 15: Investigators had very little to work with initially. 247 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 5: Daphne Durett of the Palm Beach Post. 248 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 15: They knew that the shooter sped off in a white 249 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 15: Chrysler LeBaron. What they also knew was that the shooter 250 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 15: had brown eyes. 251 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 14: Because of all the makeup and the costume, Joe couldn't 252 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 14: even be sure if the shooter was a man or 253 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 14: a woman, which left police with a problem. 254 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 5: There's a thing called a bolo. What is a bolo? 255 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 15: A bolo is an acronym for be on the lookout, 256 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 15: and in this case, the bolo was for someone dressed 257 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 15: in a clown costume. 258 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 5: It was not a lot to go on. 259 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: Man, you're not kidding. A bolo be able to look 260 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: out for in person dressed a clown costume. So let 261 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: me ask you this Levi page Clime online dot com. 262 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: Tell me who was in the home at the time 263 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: of the shooting. 264 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 7: So there was Marlene Warren her Son and some of 265 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 7: his friends, a girlfriend and some of his friends. Neighbors 266 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 7: said that after the shooting, some of his friends were 267 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 7: running out of the house, frantic and scared. 268 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: On one of the balloons it was written You're the Greatest, 269 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: while the other had snow white painted on it. The 270 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: clown was wearing one of those wigs, the fuzzy haired 271 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: wigs bright orange. So the only identifier is that the 272 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: killer has brown eyes. I would immediately begin canvassing the 273 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: area for who may have sold those balloons and flowers. 274 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. 275 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 14: Other investigators continued trying to find where the flower arrangement 276 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 14: and balloons were purchased. Once said You're the great and 277 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 14: the other one had snow white and the seven dwarfs. 278 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 15: On it right, so they had these two very distinctive balloons. 279 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 14: Police learned that those balloons were distinctive enough that they 280 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 14: could link them back to a specific supermarket. 281 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 16: The balloons and flowers left at the doorstep of the 282 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 16: murder scene were purchased at this public's. The buyer described 283 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 16: as a white female with dark brown hair. 284 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 5: Dark brown hair. 285 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 14: Police discovered that purchase was made at nine twenty two am, 286 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 14: an hour and a half before the shooting, and the 287 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 14: store's location caught their attention. 288 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 15: Sheila Keene's home is about a little more than half 289 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 15: a mile over here. 290 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: Who is Sheila Keene? And it's very interesting and I 291 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: don't doubt it for one minute that the clark remembered 292 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: selling those particular balloons to a woman, white female with 293 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: long brown hair. That's what the clerk remembers. Why because 294 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: one was a snow white balloon and one said you're 295 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: the greatest. Very ironical that the recipient of the balloons 296 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: You're the greatest, ends up dead. Now again, you may 297 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: need to lay down for this. Dave Ehrenberg, the Palm 298 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: Beach County State's attorney, actually fixed his mouth to say 299 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: this quote. Sheila Keene Warren will always be an admitted, 300 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: convicted murderer and will wear that strain for every day 301 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: for the rest of her life. So what what, She's 302 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: gonna feel guilty, that's her punishment. I feel bad for 303 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: murdering someone. Where did he go to law school? Cool? 304 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: How did this woman escape justice for so long? And 305 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: yet she escapes it again? That to the beginning. I 306 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: want to go to Jeff Cortesi, FBI former special agent, Jeff, 307 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: how do you go about tracking down who sold those balloons? 308 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that. I don't think there 309 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: was video at the time. So you have to go 310 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: to every single clerk at every single grocery store. 311 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 11: Yeah. 312 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 8: Absolutely, this is a nineteen ninety year on CCTV. Wasn't 313 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 8: then what it is now. So it does take a 314 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 8: getting out and going from shop to shop and asking 315 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 8: the right questions and that is a huge resource dream 316 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 8: but that's what it takes sometimes to get the lead 317 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 8: you need to take you to the next step. 318 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: Leavipage crime online dot com. Where is the husband in 319 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: this scenario? 320 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 7: For her husband is Michael Warren, and he ran a 321 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 7: used car lot, car rental agency and car reposition repossession business. 322 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: So he had a car a lot in a repo business. 323 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. 324 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 14: What police did find in the apartment was hair from 325 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 14: the bathroom trash and a stunner more orange fibers on 326 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 14: clothing inside she lives home. A police criminologist compared the 327 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 14: samples of human hair and the orange fibers from the 328 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 14: car and the apartment and in both cases concluded the 329 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 14: samples were similar. So this sounds like something boy, you 330 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 14: could put this in front of a jury and potentially 331 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 14: get a conviction. 332 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 15: You could or maybe you couldn't. Similar is not the same. 333 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: Man, you are so right about that. Similar is not 334 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: the saying take a listen to our friend Peter van Sample. 335 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 14: Four days after the shooting, police got a huge break. 336 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 14: They found a white baron maybe this was the getaway car. 337 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 15: They find it in the parking lot of a Wen 338 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 15: Dixie supermarket. 339 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 14: That supermarket is eight miles from the crime scene and 340 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 14: nine miles from Sheila Keene's apartment. Inside the car, police 341 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 14: found two important clues. 342 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 15: They find this orange synthetic hair like. 343 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 5: The fibers from a clown wig. 344 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 15: They also find strands of brown human. 345 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 5: Hair, brown hair like Sheila Keynes. 346 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 14: Within hours, police had a warrant to search her apartment. 347 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 16: The investigation has turned to the woman who lives here 348 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 16: at the Pine Ridge Apartments off Haverhill Road. 349 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 5: They didn't find a gun. 350 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 14: Sheila's estranged husband told police they owned a thirty eight Revolver, 351 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 14: but that Sheila told him she misplaced it about a 352 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 14: month before the murder. 353 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: Misplaced your gun. Remind me to circle back to misplacing 354 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: your gun. The so much right here, Stop everything. This 355 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: woman has a whiteless saber. It's abandoned a Wendix parking 356 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: lot and it's got orange fibers in it and long 357 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: brown hair in it. That's a coincidence. I don't think so, so, 358 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: Levi Paige. Why would a completely unknown woman what suddenly 359 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: dress up like a clown not say a word and 360 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: gun down Marlane? Who is Sheila King? 361 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 6: So? 362 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 7: Sheila Keene was twenty six years old in nineteen ninety. 363 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 7: She was married, but she worked for Michael Warren and 364 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 7: Michael Warren's co workers people that worked for him say 365 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 7: that they were having an affair and that she had 366 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 7: an apartment that he was paying the rent for. 367 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: You know what, can you just surprise me one time 368 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: a co worker? They have an affair according to co workers, 369 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: and you know you can't keep that kind of thing 370 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: a secret. Kurt and Army, could you just one time 371 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: surprise me and it not be a love triangle with 372 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: your co worker? 373 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 8: Well? 374 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 11: I guess not, because that's clearly what the case was here. 375 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 11: And we saw we talked about that personalization element before, 376 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 11: and we can kind of see that correlation and that 377 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 11: puzzle come together. 378 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, Do they really think the co workers 379 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: don't notice they're sitting in each other's laps and going 380 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: out for lunch every day together. You think they don't. 381 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 10: See that there's got to be some sort of I 382 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 10: don't think that they care. I think that they are 383 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 10: so into what they're doing that they have convinced themselves 384 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 10: that other people around them do not see this behavior. 385 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: You know, another issue right here to Jeff Cortez, the 386 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: FBI formers, special agent office workers always know what's happening. 387 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: They always know. You can't keep that kind of thing 388 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: a secret. You can't. 389 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 8: And just like in you know other situations similar to this, 390 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 8: You know, the first place that anybody's going to look 391 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 8: as close to the home and then work out. So 392 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 8: investigators are going to start close and work out. So 393 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 8: when they start close and they identify something like this, 394 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 8: you know, a marital infidelity boy, that's going to grab 395 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 8: their attention right away. And there's no way to hide 396 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 8: that stuff from people. 397 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: Mairitual infidelity and the white lists. Saber was actually stolen. 398 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: So in the stolen whiteless Saber found abandoned at a 399 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: Winding Sea parking lot. What is the likelihood Georgia Sciro, 400 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: the lab director of Scales Biological Lab, Inc. That You're 401 00:24:53,440 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: going to find orange hair from a wig and long 402 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: brown hair that they say it's similar to what was used, 403 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: but without the wig, how can they make a comparison? 404 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: George Giro, Well. 405 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 13: Nancy, what they can do is they can take those fibers, 406 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 13: those orange fibers, and run a series of chemical and 407 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 13: microscopic analyzes on them to determine what their chemical makeup is, 408 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 13: what's the structure of the fiber, what type of dye 409 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 13: was used, and that can give investigative information, and also 410 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 13: the hair itself can also provide some forensic information that 411 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 13: might be of value. 412 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: If that hair is still in evidence, couldn't it be 413 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: compared even without a root? Couldn't you get mitochondrial DNA 414 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: from the hair found in the stolen the saber and 415 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: try to match it up to the mistress. 416 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 13: That's correct, Natcy. Mitochondrial DNA would be the type of 417 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 13: analysis that would be used to make that type of comparison. 418 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: So isn't this true? Levi page Clime online dot Com 419 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: investigative reporter that the neighbors that lived near Shila Kane 420 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: actually thought that Warren the husband was her husband because 421 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: he was there all the time. 422 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, you are correct, and they spent a lot of 423 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 7: time together. 424 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you call it spending time together. I 425 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: call it something else. But for all the neighbors to 426 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: think that was Sheila King's husband, the killer clown? Is 427 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: it the mistress the love rival? What happens after that? Guys, 428 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: take a listen to Unmasked the Killer Clown. 429 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 2: Twenty seven years after Mornine Warren is gunned down in 430 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 2: the doorway of her Florida home, the Palm Beach Post 431 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 2: uncovers a Salatia's secret. 432 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 15: What she found out was that Mike Warren and Sheila Keene, 433 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 15: the same people who denied having an affair shortly after 434 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 15: Marlene Warren was killed, were now husband and wife. 435 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 5: Michael gets out of prison early, and what does he do. 436 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 15: He seeks out the same woman who was investigated for 437 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 15: killing his wife. 438 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: Think about it. 439 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 5: You don't marry a woman. 440 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 4: That you suspect that might have killed your wife. 441 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 15: Mike Warren married Sheila Kean in Las Vegas in two 442 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 15: thousand and two, twelve years after his wife's murder. 443 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: So he does time on that odometer charge. Remember he 444 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: works to use car a lot. Convicted of rolling back 445 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: the o domeiners and tricking customers, gets out, goes straight 446 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: to Sheila King and marries her. That's pretty strong circumstantial 447 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: evidence to you, Kirk and Army. 448 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 11: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. You have motive, you 449 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 11: have you know, evidence of maybe they got married to 450 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 11: cover up after the fact they thought they were bringing 451 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 11: on privilege, your marital privilege. Who knows, who knows if 452 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 11: the husband even knew. But yes, the circumstantial and is 453 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 11: piling up in their actions after the fact. Her actions 454 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 11: in particular, show of consciousness of yelp, let. 455 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: Me understand something, Levi Page. The husband was not in 456 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: jail on the o'dominant charge at the time of the shooting, 457 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: was he No. 458 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 7: He was in That was years later, Nancy, and he 459 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 7: served time for that and he actually got out of 460 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 7: prison and married Sheila Keene in two thousand and two. 461 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 7: And then they moved to Southern Virginia, a community right 462 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 7: outside of Kingsport, Tennessee, very upscale community known for retirees 463 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 7: moving there, and the mountain was very beautiful and they 464 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 7: lived there and shelet by the name Debbie, and they 465 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 7: started a restaurant together called the Purple Cow, and apparently 466 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 7: they were very well liked. 467 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: She changed her name. She started going by an alias. 468 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 8: Yes, Debbie. 469 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 7: She was not going by Sheila. 470 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace Joseph ORNs. That's the mom. 471 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: Marlene's son was eating breakfast at their Wellington family home 472 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: with friends that May when a person dressed as a 473 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: clown rang the doorbell at the front door. His mother 474 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: got the balloons when she opened the door, and she responded, 475 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: how nice, just before she was shot in the face. 476 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: And this monster, this she monster is walking free. Think 477 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: of all the time and effort she went to to 478 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: dress up like a clown, even painting her face and 479 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: wearing some crazy wig to gun down her lover's wife 480 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: at the front door with the family home. King Warren 481 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: was long suspected to be the killer clown, but it 482 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: wasn't until twenty seven years later when improved DNA testing 483 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: actually tied her to evidence found in the getaway car 484 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: and that led to her arrest. Orange fibers found in 485 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: the convertible reportedly stolen from Michael's car lot a month 486 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: before the shooting. Michael as in husband Michael, what else 487 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: do we know? So they move away from the jurisdiction. 488 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 1: She changes her name. He gets rid of the car 489 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: a lot and they start a restaurant called the Purple Cow, 490 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: far far away from the murder. Wow, sounds a little 491 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: bit like they're on the run. Now, there's another report. 492 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: At the time of the shooting, he was in fact 493 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: in a car with the group of guys on the 494 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: interstate Take a listen now. To unmask the killer clown. 495 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 15: The Homage County Sheriff's Office and the Washington County Sheriff's 496 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 15: Office of Virginia tracked Michael and Sheila. 497 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 5: They were cuted to Vermont for a vacation. 498 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 9: He pulled a car over and arrest Sheila. 499 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: He's sitting in the passenger seat. 500 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 5: While she lives in the police car. She asks officers. 501 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: Questions, why are you arresting me? Are you arresting my husband? 502 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 5: Where are you taking me? Are you taking my husband 503 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 5: somewhere too? 504 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 15: Once police get her into an interrogation room and tell 505 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 15: her what the case is about, she tells them that 506 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 15: she doesn't want to answer any more questions. 507 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 5: And she puts her head down. Sheila Quin is charged 508 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 5: with first degree murder and extradited to Palm Beach County. 509 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: This is what we know. According to the detectives on 510 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: the case, they say DNA advances since the time of 511 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: Marlene's murder, combined with other evidence, made this case viable 512 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: at trial. To George Skiro, a special guest of joining 513 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: Us at DNA Expert Lab director at the Scales Biological Lab, Inc. 514 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: George Sciro, what do they mean by advances in DNA technology, Well, Nancy, 515 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: there's been. 516 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 13: A lot of advancements in the last several years as 517 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 13: far as the DNA analysis goes. However, in this case, 518 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 13: mitochondrial DNA analysis is for forensic cases has probably been 519 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 13: around since the mid nineties, So unless they use some 520 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 13: of the newer genetic genealogy technologies in this case, it 521 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 13: seems like it's pretty much standard mitochondrial. 522 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: DNA in this What we are learning is that the 523 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: killer clown investigators used DNA from hair samples to make 524 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: a cold case arrest. Because at one moment, the alleged killer, 525 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: the mistress, Sheila Keene Warren, is on her way to 526 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: visit her mom in Vermont. The next minute, she has 527 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: been handcuffed and plays in the back of a Virginia 528 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: Sheriff's cruiser. She's saying, where am I going, why am 529 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: I under arrest? She's sitting back there in her jeans 530 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: and flip flops. When she's told she's under arrest because 531 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: of a murder, she immediately puts her head down and 532 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: refuses to answer any further questions. Now, this is what 533 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: we know DNA based on hair samples. Again to George Sciro, 534 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: the lab director Skills Biological Labs, Inc. Try to explain 535 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: that to me and regular people talk when we say 536 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: hair samples have managed to solve a twenty seven year 537 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: old cold case murder by a killer clown of all things, 538 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: what are they saying. 539 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 13: Wellncy, what they're saying is that this mitochondrial DNA that 540 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 13: was found in the hair samples in the vehicle match 541 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 13: the mitochondrial DNA profile of Sheila Key Warren. And this 542 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 13: is not like the normal type of DNA that we 543 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 13: hear about every day. This one isn't as specific because 544 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 13: it's passed along maternal lines within the family. 545 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: We also know now that the clown was absolutely wearing gloves, 546 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: a bulb nose, and a painted smile over a white face. 547 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: We also know that a pistol was the murder weapon. 548 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, But if I had 549 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: a gun, I don't think I would misplace it. The 550 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: only person I've ever heard of misplacing, not that it 551 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: was stolen, but misplaced a gun was Robert Blake, who 552 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: was acquitted by a jury in the murder of his wife, 553 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: Bonnie Lee Bakley. Well he killed her just I hope 554 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: the jury hears that. But I've never heard of another 555 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: case where a weapon was misplaced. That's what she says. 556 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: We know to take us collected samples of Sheila Keane's hair, 557 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: vials of her blood, and a search warrant because she 558 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: was a suspect at the time. Now, when her apartment 559 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: was searched, LEEVI page what was found in the apartment 560 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: that can help me out on this DNA comparison. 561 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 7: So, the found fibers that were red that was consistent 562 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 7: with the red part of a wig of a clown 563 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 7: inside of her apartment. 564 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: We know that there was a court ordered search of 565 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: her home. In the apartment, there were fibers from a 566 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: bright orange wig, not the wig, but fibers and clothing 567 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: that police were checking from bloodstains. Similar bright red orange 568 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: fibers were found in the stolen the Saber, the FBI 569 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: Crime Lab, that's where you come in, Jeff Cortesi, the 570 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: FBI Crime Lab say matches were made to fibers collected 571 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: from the getaway car through a precise DNA connection, that 572 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: Sheila Keane is a possible source of the hairs. What 573 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: does that mean to you? 574 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 8: That means that they are connecting the car to the suspect, 575 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 8: the way to the suspect. It is one more piece 576 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 8: in a chain of evidence that Moore completely tells a 577 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 8: story that gives the prosecutors a little bit more confident. 578 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: Is it truly vi Page that almost fifty four thousand 579 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: dollars life insurance policy was paid to Michael Warren at 580 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: the death of his wife. 581 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 7: That is true, Nancy, that there was a life insurance 582 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 7: about fifty grand that was awarded to him after she 583 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 7: was murdered. Nancy, But he has not faced any charges 584 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 7: in the murder of his wife, just Chilie Keene. 585 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's often said no system is perfect, and 586 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: this case certainly proves it. Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend.