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Speaker 1: into the second episode of the New Yorker podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Olivia Land. Cannot tell you, guys, how absolutely

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Speaker 1: honored I am to have today's guest, who is CBS

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Speaker 1: analysts and panelist Amy Trask. Amy, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me today. I can't even begin to tell

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Speaker 1: It is a privilege and a pleasure to join you.

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to have this opportunity. Thanks for having me

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Speaker 1: on this past couple of days. When we decided that

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Speaker 1: reading a lot of articles. That turns out there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of articles on you, Amy Trask. Not sure

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Speaker 1: if you were aware, but a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: written some pretty amazing things about you out there. I

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Speaker 1: I my My immediate reaction is, oh, a little worried

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Speaker 1: very wisely said, never read the comments. And I followed

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Speaker 1: that advice to this day. Just don't read the comments.

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Speaker 1: It's true, It really is true, especially me thinking about

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Speaker 1: wise advice from your husband. But what I wanted to

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Speaker 1: sixteen years. But something that was interesting. You were asked

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