1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: It is I Ashley. I Why did I say that 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: like that? 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 3: I don't know how many times have you said that? 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: I've never said it in like this six years leaved 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: on this podcast, And that is Peter Weber. Y'all. We 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: have him on the podcast today because he is well 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: star of the Traders and we're going to do a 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: whole episode about his experience there, so stay tuned for that. 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: But until then, we are going to go over headlines. Now. 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: I know Peter that you're not fully caught up with 14 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: this season yet, but have you spoken to Joey whatsoever? 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 4: I haven't spoken to Joey, just exchanging a couple of 16 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 4: texts back and forth since his experience ended. But I 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 4: got to know him a little bit before he left 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 4: for film, and he was out in New York for 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 4: a couple of days hope, like the whole US Open. 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 4: So obviously that's all his little niche with the tennis thing. 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 4: So I got to know him when now you know, 22 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 4: and I had a couple of drinks. Awesome, dude, I 23 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 4: totally get why they picked him to be the Bachelor. 24 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 4: And again I haven't been able to catch up on 25 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 4: the season up to this point, but you know, have 26 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: all the faith in the world that he's going to 27 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 4: kill it, and I hope it works out fro him. 28 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: He has been such a good bachelor. We're so excited 29 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: every week he's just shining. But of course our first 30 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: headline is because he always has to come with the 31 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: controversial headline making statement. Nick Yell our friend Nick Viyell 32 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: says he thinks that Joey is being too much of 33 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 2: a people pleaser and he's taking the easy way out 34 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: of things. Now, you actually told me on the other 35 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: episode that we recorded that you thought of yourself as 36 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: a people pleaser on the Bachelor. 37 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 4: How so okay, so interesting remarks from Nick. Obviously I 38 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 4: can't speak on it specifically with Joey, but I get it. 39 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: If that's what Joey's going through right now, if that's 40 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 4: how he's deciding to handle the show right now, I. 41 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: Totally get it. 42 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 4: I hope that he pulls out of that and doesn't 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 4: necessarily feel like he has to continue that route the 44 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: entire time, just because it will get exponentially harder if 45 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 4: he continues to do that. I wish looking back on 46 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 4: my experience, I just I wish I would have been 47 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 4: a lot more selfish. I wish I would have been 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 4: you know, I remember thinking when anyone showed up, you know, 49 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 4: when I met you know, all these thirty thirty plus women, 50 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 4: I was going to give each one of them my everything. 51 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 4: And even if, like in the beginning, I didn't feel 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 4: like a certain like hard, hard connection with them, because 53 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 4: everything they had sacrificed to be there and the time 54 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 4: they had taken out, I've just felt like I owed 55 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 4: it to them to really kind of still do a 56 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: little bit of a dive there and just be one 57 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 4: hundred hundred percent confident that, yeah, there isn't anything here 58 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 4: that wears on you when you're when you're when you're 59 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 4: doing a show for two months, you're doing that people 60 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: pleasing you know, persona act. I get it, because it's 61 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 4: you don't want to hurt people, you don't you're thinking 62 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: of everything you're thinking of, Okay, how is the public 63 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 4: going to react to this? 64 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: Like just just pure respect for. 65 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 4: Human beings, Like you can't you don't want to be 66 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: addicted to anybody and not I'm not ever. I'm not, 67 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 4: you know, advocating for any bachelor in the future to 68 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 4: be addicted to you know, the women on the season. 69 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 4: But what I am saying is you got to put 70 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: yourself first and make decisions in the moment that are 71 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 4: purely for you. It's you took on that role to 72 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 4: be the bacher, to go hopefully find a wife with that, 73 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: or going to come a hell of a lot of 74 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 4: uncomfortable conversations, a hell of a lot of uncomfortable moments, 75 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 4: awkward moments. Just embrace it and know it. You're not 76 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: gonna You're not gonna have it. Doesn't It doesn't matter 77 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: what way you play the show. You're not gonna have 78 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 4: everyone love you. You're not gonna have everyone agree with 79 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: your choices. That doesn't matter. If you're going on there 80 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 4: to find a wife, go on there with that intention 81 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: and let the cards fall as they may. But you 82 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 4: got to put yourself first in every aspect. Is truly 83 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: my opinion, Peter. 84 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: It's like you read the article without reading the article, 85 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: because the whole thing is about Nick saying that he 86 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 2: hasn't eliminated anybody outside of a Row ceremony. The two 87 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: on one not included. And he said this before this 88 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: past week's episode where he did eliminate Jess at a 89 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: group date, because beforehand he was like, he's playing too 90 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: much by the rules. It's it's way easier to let 91 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: somebody go at a rose ceremony than say, during a 92 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: group date or during a one on one, Like, hey, 93 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: I'm actually not feeling it. It's time for you to 94 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: get out of here. I wonder what Nick would say 95 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: now that he did, in like week five, episode six, 96 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: eliminate somebody during a group date, So maybe he doesn't 97 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: feel the same way anymore. But he said to me, 98 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 2: that's just Joey. The people please are kind of wanting 99 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: to be nice. He comes across as super nice. It 100 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: very much does, but it's less authentic. It's the easy 101 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: way out. I don't know that it's less authentic. I think, 102 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: as you were saying, it's maybe just harder on you 103 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: in the long run. 104 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes it a hell of a lot harder. Again, 105 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 4: you play, it's like you play so many roles as 106 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 4: the Batchel, like you have so many hats on and again, 107 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 4: everyone focus is to find someone. But I I can see, 108 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 4: I can kind of see I guess maybe just the 109 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: limited time I met Joey. Joey really does seem just 110 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 4: like a good, good nature person, so sweet. Yeah, like 111 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: there's zero there's zero dick in like dick about him right, 112 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: Like he is not a bad person at all, just good, 113 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: good intentions and that kind of personality. It can be 114 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 4: tough in this environment to make it through two months 115 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 4: of again that kind of pressure cooker and that the 116 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 4: Bachelor is. It's tough, but it's funny. I saw what 117 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 4: I did see was his finale. They kind of like 118 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 4: had a similar opening. So I remember from my season 119 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 4: with like the end being the first thing that they showed, 120 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 4: and I like. 121 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: It kind of brought in. 122 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: It works, it works for sure, but I'm just like, 123 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 4: oh God, I just pray that he was not going 124 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 4: through similar stuff of what I was going through and 125 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 4: maybe they're trying to edit it that way, but yeah, 126 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 4: because that just that was tough. But yeah, I see 127 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 4: some similar already for sure between between Joy and myself. 128 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: Like a switcher ruie type thought you would do that, 129 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. 130 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: Why would you know? 131 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: Decision idiots, You're not alone. We all know you're not alone. 132 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: You probably did it in the most mild way. Actually, Okay, 133 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: So another headline of NIX. So Caitlin Bristow she posted 134 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: some Well, she actually had a conversation on her podcast 135 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: with Stacy Schroeder a couple of weeks ago, and she 136 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: was saying that like at the end of a relationship. 137 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: We don't know what relationship it was, it could have 138 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: been a decade ago, but she said she was like 139 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: so out of touch with herself sexually that she felt 140 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: like asexual. And this made huge headlines and Bet and 141 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 2: I were like, is it really or she just like 142 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: not feeling the guy anymore? Right, And eventually Caitlyn learned 143 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: that she just wasn't feeling the guy anymore. But here's 144 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: the headline for this week. That is kind of juicy. 145 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 2: So Jason posted a picture on Instagram and it was 146 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: really just because you know, he was a good It 147 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: was a good picture of him. He was shirtless looking great. 148 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 4: Really, Tan, I've always loved, I respect the hell out 149 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: of Jason. Like I always thought I was like the 150 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 4: least I was probably the least in shape bacher that's 151 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: ever been on the show. 152 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: Like it just never had like the skull. 153 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: You could talk to Ben because he would say the 154 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: exact same thing about himself. You guys both look great. 155 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: Maybe you didn't have six packs, but like you still 156 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: look great. 157 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: The definition wasn't quite there. But I love like Jason. 158 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: You see the guy and he does it so modestly, 159 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 4: like guys shreded like a spartan god, and you just 160 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 4: you almost forget about it. I just I respect that, 161 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 4: you know. 162 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: Because he doesn't like really show it off a lot. 163 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: He doesn't like flawn that because like he kind of 164 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: flaunts his brain more and his business out me and 165 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: just being like a stand up guy. So anyway, he 166 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: captions the the photo little summer throwback on this cold 167 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: winter Wednesday. A changing of seasons can't come soon enough. 168 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: You know. He wanted to us a hot pick of 169 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: himself all good and then he and then Nick writes 170 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: underneath it nothing asexual about this, oh God, and then 171 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: Caitlyn retaliates by saying, like on Instagram good morning, or 172 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: like hello Hawaii to everybody except those who use like 173 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: use my words for clicks, I'm i'm i'm oh no 174 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: aloha to everyone except for people who make fun of 175 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: my sexuality for likes having a libido expert on my 176 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: pod soon. Okay, all right, what's your take, sassiness say, 177 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: so let me follow this. So Caitlyn, it's really between 178 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: Caitlyn and Nick. 179 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 4: Now it's had nothing to do with Kaitlyn and was 180 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 4: saying she was just over the relationship and like sexually 181 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 4: had kind of like fizzled out. 182 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: Well, no, it was Caitlin who was saying that. It 183 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: was like should she she herself felt a sexual She 184 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: was just talking was just stas he's not part of 185 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: the equation. 186 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 4: Okay, you know, it's like this is not the best 187 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: thing to admit, but I really haven't ever been in 188 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 4: a long enough relationship and maybe it's just not possible 189 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 4: for me. I think, I you know, I'm a passionate person, 190 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 4: as I would put it right, like, I have never 191 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 4: gotten to a point in a relationship where I've kind 192 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 4: of like lost that desire for not that you lose 193 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 4: the desire for a partner, but where it kind of 194 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 4: like really settles down and it's not as powerful, maybe 195 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 4: as as it once was. 196 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: So Kate again, so just so I. 197 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: Follow Caitlyn is acting like she had lost it with 198 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 4: Jason before the end of the relationship. 199 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: We don't know there was Jason. Don't put any words 200 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: in her mouth any one, but Nick is all of 201 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: a sudden like making it seem like it was directed 202 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: towards Jason. 203 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: Towards Jason. 204 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: I just don't get the I've never been the kind 205 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 4: of like the low blow type person. Why do yeah 206 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 4: like at that the relationship. I don't know how long 207 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 4: they've been broken up now for, but just I'm all 208 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 4: about six months that's it. 209 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I don't know. 210 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: I've always been someone you try to move on like 211 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 4: I would personally never. 212 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: Listen. 213 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: I think Kat was probably benefiting from some clicks as 214 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 4: well by coming on, and she knows that she's doing 215 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 4: so I think it's all kind of like strategic in 216 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 4: a way. I don't think one person or one side 217 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 4: is only to blame, but I don't know. 218 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: That's not my take. 219 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: It's my take is Nick and Caitlin, even though they 220 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: have been very cordial with each other in the past, 221 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: they still gotta throw fire at each other. Eight years 222 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: after that season. 223 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 3: They just can't let it go. 224 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: Huh. But really it's Nick was the instigator here for sure. 225 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: For sure. In another Nick aheadline, will just bruize whatever 226 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 2: this one. He is doing a new show with Patti Stanger, 227 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: a matchmaking series on REDW. Yeah, so I gotta pick 228 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: his brain about how this is going to go because 229 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: I was on Patti Stanger's like Celebrity Millionaire Matchmaker and 230 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: it was quite the experience. I will say it was 231 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: not a positive one. So I can't wait to hear. 232 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: When did you do that? 233 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: Years ago? It was before my second season of Paradise gotch. 234 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: I've been on two shows. Yeah, let's throw out two 235 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: headlines of our own right now. I just announced today 236 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: at Amazon Live that our second child, who is due 237 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: in July, is a boy, and that means we'll be 238 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: having two We will have two boys, and we are 239 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: overwhelmed with the thought. But I know that you and 240 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: your brother, you know you're the two boys for your mom. Yeah, 241 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: what advice? What I want to know is, how is 242 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: how can I make these brothers as close as possible? 243 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: Because you're really tight with your brother right, extremely close? Yes? Yes, 244 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: and I love that and I want that. Like do 245 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: you guys talk on the phone regularly, like multiple times 246 00:11:59,320 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: a week? 247 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, yeah, for sure. 248 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: Good, that's what I want. 249 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 4: We Well, first, off. Congrats, that's awesome news. Super super 250 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: happy for you guys. Maybe you'll have some Patriots players 251 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 4: in the making and Makejered very happy. 252 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: Dawson has quite the arm. I'm not just saying that 253 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: because I'm his mom. It's impressive. 254 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 4: Okay, I get and started young. Now that's that's super exciting. 255 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 4: Did you guys do a reveal, like a special baby reveal? 256 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: Well, we got the text from my midwife like I 257 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: have the gender, like do you want it? And we 258 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: were in Disney World and my sister was there and 259 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: she's just like, well, just do something because the first 260 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: time we did it, I didn't want any sort of 261 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: gender reveal. So this time we literally just had the 262 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: the hotel make cupcakes and they're you know, we've been 263 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: into his classic. 264 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 4: You're on Space Mountain, We're having a boy. 265 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we weren gonna do something at like the castle, 266 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: but then it wasistically. 267 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: To do that. Yeah, no, I I yeah, I appreciate 268 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: those words. 269 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: Have been extremely close to my brothers, you know, one 270 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 4: of my most treasured relationships that I have in life. 271 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 4: We just we grew up literally just do eating everything together, 272 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 4: and you know, from a very early age, we were 273 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 4: just we. I think my mom kind of just got 274 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 4: lucky with us too. But we just got along well. 275 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 4: We were best friends. It was almost to the point 276 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 4: where my brother would sometimes get annoy because I'd always 277 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 4: want to hang out with him and his friends. And 278 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: then he sometimes thought that I was still in his 279 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 4: friends and would like try to get some space. 280 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: My sister and I always shared friends, like all our 281 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: best friends were together. 282 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, my brother would say different. 283 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 4: He would say that I like was taking his friends away, 284 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 4: but I just I just enjoyed hanging out. 285 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: With him and his friends. 286 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean we literally had that dynamic though 287 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: all the way through. Like I'm probably later than most people, 288 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 4: Like I lived at hometil I was twenty nine, right, 289 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 4: So not saying that, you know, you guys are gonna 290 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 4: have them at home until you're twenty nine, but it 291 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 4: was just yeah, really just organic, just great relationship. Like 292 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 4: I said, we were just always always together. You know, 293 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 4: my dad, he would be gone a lot on trips, 294 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 4: uh for work, and so it was my mom and 295 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 4: the two of us and my grandmother when she lived 296 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 4: with us, and we never felt like truth like, we 297 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 4: never felt like there was ever any favorites, like we'd 298 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 4: always you know, hassle our mom, like you know, I'm 299 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 4: your favorite. I'm like, it was never any of that, 300 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 4: Like it was just equal love shown both ways. 301 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: A lot of just great family trips growing up. 302 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: Like my parents did a really good job of like 303 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 4: just making really cool core memories, especially like in the 304 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: in the whole flying theme with you know, airplanes and 305 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 4: in the whole career aspect. I actually just wrote an 306 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 4: article from Alpa Airline Pilots Association. They had a they're 307 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 4: doing a little segment on family and aviation and and 308 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: why that means so much to my family. And it 309 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 4: was really cool just to go back down memory lane 310 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: and just write about a lot of stories of my 311 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 4: brother and I as little kids, you know, going on 312 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 4: trips with my dad or going in the cockpit and 313 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 4: you know, just having really cool It's really cool that 314 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 4: my brother and we both followed in the same footsteps 315 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 4: of my dad, right, so we're both pilots, and so 316 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 4: we you know, try to find similar passions to just 317 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 4: promote with them growing up. And yeah, you're gonna see 318 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: I think that. I mean, you know this, every every 319 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 4: sibling has their strengths and their and their weaknesses, and 320 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 4: it was kind of cool for my brother and I, 321 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 4: like we always helped each other in each other's weaknesses 322 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: and all the way up until like, like I literally 323 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 4: was the reason that my brother got into u c 324 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 4: l A. Like I wrote his his college like admission 325 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 4: letter because he I'm. 326 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: Pretty sure I get the same with my sister. Really, Okay, 327 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: get it, I've been the better writer, but she's creative 328 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: plenty of other strengths. 329 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, now, my brother kicked my ass, Like he applied 330 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 4: mathematics major at UCLA, and I've always been more creative 331 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: in English side and all that, and so like he'd 332 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 4: helped me out with stuff, you know, being younger than 333 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: me in high school and this guy and you know, 334 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 4: this kid was helping with math problems and all that. 335 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm excited. It's the bond. 336 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 4: Between between two really really close brothers is again I'm 337 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: sure it's very similar with sisters, but it's just it's 338 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 4: one of the most beautiful gifts in life that I 339 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 4: have ever been able to receive, and I cherish it 340 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: so much, and I really hope that you guys experienced 341 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: that with your sons. 342 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, not to stereotype. But I do feel 343 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: like I kind of wanted maybe like two of the 344 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: same sex, just because that, in my experience, seems to 345 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: be like the closer bonds sibling bonds. 346 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I get that. I think it'd be cool 347 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 4: too to have. I've always thought be awesome have twins. 348 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm a twins guy. 349 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: See, I would be a twins person. If it was 350 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: the first, then I would be like, Okay, I'm done. 351 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: I'd never have to be forget again. That'd be awesome. 352 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: But if you have twins on the second, then that 353 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: would be like, Hey, what's what's your age gap to 354 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: the two of you? 355 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: Or three and a half years, which I think is 356 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: a great, great gap. 357 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: There'll be two and a half years. I'm two and 358 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: a half years. That's but that, like span is it 359 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: is a good one. All right, Well then I'm gonna 360 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: make you have a headline. Now this Ellie Smith girl 361 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 2: on your Instagram who you are part of your new 362 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: music video? Girlfriend or just a friend? 363 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: Now? Ellie was single? 364 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 4: Put it out there, Okay, not a girlfriend. Ellie was 365 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 4: my very first friend in New York City when I 366 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 4: moved to New York. 367 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 3: Her mom and I are her mom and my mom. 368 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 4: They grew up together, and so I was connected with 369 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 4: her because I didn't know anybody in moving out to 370 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 4: New York. 371 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: So she was my. 372 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 4: Very first friend. I remember Dustin had been out visiting 373 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: and Ellie we were all out getting drinks. We'd come back. 374 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: We're hanging out my apartment, just having some drinks. There's 375 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: no furniture in the apartment. 376 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: Just like. 377 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 4: She's an incredibly talented singer. Just wait till you guys 378 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 4: hear this music video. I'm really really stoked for her 379 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 4: because she's coming out with her first album. She's done Broadway, 380 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: She's done a ton of stuff, but just one of 381 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 4: the most beautiful voices I've ever heard. So yeah, first 382 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 4: friend in New York. We stayed very close, and she 383 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 4: asked me to be in her music video. 384 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: With her, and I was like, never done it music video. 385 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: Let's do it. 386 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 2: And it's a romantic music video. That's why people are 387 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: buzzing on Instagram when you release the pictures. 388 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 4: It is romantic. It's it's actually there's a twist in 389 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 4: the song. It's it's kind of it's about a it's 390 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 4: the whole song, I think she said. She wrote it 391 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 4: in like forty five minutes, but it was inspired by 392 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 4: a breakup, and so it's shown all the good stuff 393 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 4: and the good parts of relationship, but then there's twists 394 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 4: in there and ultimately ends, you know, it's kind of 395 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 4: on empowering her and all the strength that she feels 396 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 4: moving on from that relationship and the love that she 397 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 4: has for herself. But yeah, it was it was fun 398 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 4: to film. It was very fun to film. 399 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 2: Nice and look look at you up being on musical. 400 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: You were also on stage at the was it? 401 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: Was it? 402 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: The beautiful? Was it Beautiful? 403 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: A Beautiful Noise? The Neil Diamond Musical. Yeah, you guys 404 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: haven't seen it. 405 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen it. My mom loves Neil Diamond. 406 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: So eventually we'll have to go see it in a 407 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: big Broadway girl and seeing Sweete Todd next week, and 408 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: I am so excited. 409 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 4: Yes, oh with sett and fast Sun Foster. Yes, that's 410 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 4: gonna be incredible. 411 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 2: I know, I'm so excited. So all right, well we 412 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: have time for one more headline and Peter, I gotta 413 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 2: know your take on this. Jesse Palmer is changing up 414 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: the bachelor thing. Go to over twenty years in so 415 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: this week, not only it was as actually the week, 416 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 2: it was like a week and a half ago. Instead 417 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: of saying take a moment and say your goodbyes, he said, 418 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: take as much time as you need, and when you're ready, 419 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: say your goodbyes. Now, his explanation for this was that 420 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: he was looking at a Duena and Allison, knowing that 421 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: they were the girls leaving, and he just said that 422 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: there was so much tension and emotion on their faces 423 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: that he wanted to offer them the courtesy to take 424 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: as much time as they needed. 425 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: I like that. I have no problems with that. 426 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 4: I actually I think I saw an excerpt of that 427 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 4: was he doing like a funny thing in the pool 428 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 4: where he was going over different lines. 429 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: He did another one that's another part of this article. 430 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: It says that he also said, why do we even 431 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: say this is the final rose tonight because it's so 432 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 2: obvious there's just some un a rose left on the table. 433 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: So is that the next line he's going to acts? 434 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 4: Look at I like this. I am about this Jesse taking. 435 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 4: You know, he's now been the host for a couple 436 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 4: of seasons, so he feels like he has the seniority 437 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 4: now and the experience as a host to you know, 438 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 4: give his own personal take. I think that only helps 439 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 4: the show. I hope he continues to kind of do 440 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 4: stuff and maybe it almost you know, inspires the show itself, 441 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 4: whether it's you know, in production type themes or or 442 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: way they film the show to switch it up. 443 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 3: I don't I don't think changes you know is bad. 444 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 4: Obviously it's always going to follow the same format of 445 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 4: what the show has always been. But yeah, I'm all 446 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 4: about kind of personalizing it a little bit. And I've 447 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 4: been I've been a Jesse fan ever since he became 448 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 4: the host. 449 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 3: I think he's he's been. 450 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 4: He was probably the perfect choice in that moment when 451 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 4: you had to make a you know. 452 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: A quick decision. So yeah, I support that. 453 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: Those lines truly were Harrison's lines. Of Harrison changed them up, 454 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 2: then we'd probably be like, where's our familiarity, But with 455 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: Jesse changing him up, it's like, Okay, well, you weren't 456 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: the person that quote came up with it, so I 457 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 2: guess not as big of a deal. All right, Well, 458 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 2: thank you so much Peter for joining us. This was 459 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: really fun and we are going to do a whole 460 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 2: other episode with you, and it's all about your experience 461 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: on The Traders, so stay tuned for that. He's a 462 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: big hit on the show, y'all. Until that time, I've 463 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 2: been Ashley. 464 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: I've been Peter. 465 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: Stay by, Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous 466 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: podcasts on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.