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Speaker 1: Without Buddha Baker and Trey McBride, does the NFC win

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl? Welcome Bird Gang On today's show, Zechersman

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Speaker 1: joins me, Okay, maybe that's overstating things a bit. Still,

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Speaker 1: Buddha and Trey each had a hand, and not only

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Speaker 1: Sunday's game, but also Thursday's competitions. Also we speak about

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Speaker 1: the coaching news, and yes we speak about the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight forty seven, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals

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Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast.

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Speaker 3: He's aid the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 3: so more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Trielo.

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Speaker 3: First things.

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Speaker 1: First, congratulations to use Zech, to Cody behind the glass,

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Speaker 1: to everyone we have survived the first weekend without NFL football.

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Speaker 3: Hold on a second tackle football.

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Speaker 1: Let me be specific, because if you want to count it,

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Speaker 1: and yes, I guess we have to count it, we

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Speaker 1: will count it. There was the Pro Bowl, but tackle

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Speaker 1: football in the National Football League. This was the first

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Speaker 1: weekend since August trade.

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Speaker 3: McBride was in the end zone of a game with officials,

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Speaker 3: and to me, that's the closest thing to any given

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Speaker 1: All Right, so you're crediting Trey McBride with a third

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Speaker 3: Four, he also had a one point conversion, so I

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Speaker 3: know I am not crediting it, okay, but it didn't

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Speaker 3: make me happy for Trey seeing him having a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun out there in Orlando for the for the

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Speaker 3: Pro Bowl participation Bowl as it was for two on

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Speaker 3: the TV, but it was a pro bol Trede McBride

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Speaker 1: Here are the particulars because it's very clear on which

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Speaker 1: the other. The NFC beats the AFC fifty six to

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Speaker 1: third straight year, the NFC has won this formats and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, people believe that this is a

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Speaker 1: sign of things to come because three peats one week

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Speaker 3: The Kansas City Chiefs. I see where you're going with this.

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Speaker 3: The way I look at it, though, is that Eli

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Speaker 1: And you know that Eli is going to hold this

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Speaker 3: There seems to be a lot more similarities after they're

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Speaker 3: See. I think that because Buddha was named the MVP

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker is already the number one safety when it

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Speaker 1: The best part about the dodgeball was Buddha's post dodgeball

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Speaker 1: Well, and as a first time participant, Trey certainly enjoyed

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Speaker 3: he is still had a prime part of his career,

435
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Speaker 3: how much are you going to give up?

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Speaker 1: It's a great discussion, and if your GM on the

437
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Speaker 1: Austin Fort, absolutely pick up the phone, do your due

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Speaker 1: diligence and see. I just it's very hard for me

439
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Speaker 1: to believe. And again I go back to Saturday night

440
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: early Sunday morning on the East Coast, and the NBA

441
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: is thrown for a loop when you have two perennial

442
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Speaker 1: first team players getting traded for one another's it's hard

443
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Speaker 1: to see that happening again. But again, if it happened once,

444
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Speaker 1: it certainly can happen a second time.

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Speaker 3: Look, and I think even more of the more of

446
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Speaker 3: the reasons, just in terms of the I mean, Lebron

447
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Speaker 3: James is Lebron James. Any move that's made around him

448
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 3: or he has some sort of connection to will drastically

449
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Speaker 3: change the opinion of what that Los Angeles Lakers team

450
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Speaker 3: is going to look like. I think, even in more

451
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Speaker 3: of an algy, I'm not sure you would trade him for.

452
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Speaker 3: But it's like as if Patrick Mahomes lost Travis Kelsey

453
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Speaker 3: through a trade, you're losing your number one side piece

454
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Speaker 3: you're losing your sidekick, and when something like that happens,

455
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Speaker 3: you're entire once again. We talked about the culture team

456
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 3: like the Kansas City Chiefs, that's culture over there. What

457
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 3: happens if the Eagles got rid of Saquon Barkley. Obviously,

458
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: these are things that would never happen, but it's fun

459
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Speaker 3: to think about. And I know that I've seen a

460
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Speaker 3: lot of articles about some of the craziest trades and

461
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Speaker 3: history of sports that have truly left people dumbfounded. This

462
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Speaker 3: one is very high on that list.

463
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Speaker 1: And props to Miles Garrett and his team, whether that's

464
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Speaker 1: his agency marketing team to drop this on Monday at

465
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Speaker 1: the start of Super Bowl Week to kind of lead

466
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Speaker 1: the discussion going into the Super Bowl on Sunday. So

467
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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear about it, you're gonna see about it,

468
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Speaker 1: you're gonna read about it a lot over the next

469
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Speaker 1: couple of days. Just keep your ear to the ground,

470
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Speaker 1: Birg gang, and see what happens. I just think it's

471
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Speaker 1: it certainly seems far as fetched, but we've certainly seen

472
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Speaker 1: things change drastically in the sports world.

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Speaker 3: All I will say to people is number ninety five

474
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Speaker 3: was Kyrie's tonga. You only signed a one year contract.

475
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Speaker 3: The numbers available, all right, The number is potentially available

476
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Speaker 3: unless the Cardinals decide to bring back Kyrie's tonga, A

477
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 3: note tackle that played some meaningful snaps, also a healthy

478
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Speaker 3: scratch for some games. We're not the general managers. We're

479
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Speaker 3: not going to be placing the call to the Cleveland Browns.

480
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Speaker 3: But if the call is made and Andrew Barry does

481
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Speaker 3: the sign to pick up the phone call from Mantia Sapport,

482
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Speaker 3: I'm sure down the road what that package would be

483
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Speaker 3: would potentially be revealed.

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Speaker 1: May Okay, Like you how you're trying to connect the

485
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Speaker 1: dots with the jersey number, because that's that's important for

486
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Speaker 1: these players, maintain the continuity of your uniform.

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Speaker 3: Before Marvin Harrison Junior was even drafted to the Cardinals,

488
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Speaker 3: people were questioning how he was going to get the

489
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Speaker 3: jersey from Bigo Jali. Crazier things have happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. Hey, some news on the Cardinals

491
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Speaker 1: coaching front. Since the last time we joined you here

492
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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hundai, partner of the

493
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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, it is now official. Something that we have

494
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Speaker 1: been talking about several times, and that is Clayton Adams

495
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Speaker 1: is the new offensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboy. He

496
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Speaker 1: went from a name to watch, to a virtual interview,

497
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Speaker 1: to an in person interview to Saturday the Cowboys announcing

498
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Speaker 1: the hiring a team that reportedly wanted to know see

499
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Speaker 1: with a strong background in the run game. That's because

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Speaker 1: head coach Brian Schottenneimer will call plays. So Adams gets

501
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Speaker 1: the bump, gets the promotion, but he's not the play caller.

502
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Speaker 1: But you will have a large voice within that room,

503
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Speaker 1: meaning you have a large voice to fill now if

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Speaker 1: you're the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: And the Cardinals seem to have done that. But before

506
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Speaker 3: we get to who's going to be filling the role,

507
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Speaker 3: Clayton Adams made a name for himself here with the

508
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Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals. The stout running game that they've had back

509
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Speaker 3: to back seasons with James Conner over a thousand yards rushing,

510
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Speaker 3: something to that he has never done in his career,

511
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Speaker 3: has even reached one season of a thousand plus rushing yards,

512
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Speaker 3: and he was able to do that back to back seasons.

513
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Speaker 3: Cardinals the top five rushing attack in back to back years.

514
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Speaker 3: It's impressive to see just how much you want the

515
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Speaker 3: trenches to truly resemble your team tams identity. And we've

516
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: joked plenty of times about the whole cramped vertical identity

517
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 3: that John Degan and Drew Petsing we're talking about when

518
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Speaker 3: they first landed in Tempe. It's as I was saying

519
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Speaker 3: earlier when we talked about family, When you talk about things,

520
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: you also want to see the action that correlates with it.

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Speaker 3: And that's something that has happened and and has translated

522
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Speaker 3: from not just words but into actions. Because the Cardinals

523
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Speaker 3: have done a really solid job in the running attack.

524
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Speaker 3: But now they're going to have a new offensive line coach,

525
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Speaker 3: somebody that Paris Johnson Junior is pretty familiar with. Craig.

526
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Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing official, but I do want to mention it,

527
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Speaker 1: get that out there in the ether. We can dive

528
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Speaker 1: further once it becomes official. But according to reports, the

529
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Speaker 1: Cardinals have filled the offensive line position with Justin Frye

530
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Speaker 1: off our Ohio State offensive line coach and associate head

531
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Speaker 1: coach reportedly interviewed for the same role with the Bears

532
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Speaker 1: in the last year of his contract at Ohio State.

533
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Speaker 1: And yes, he did coach. Paris Johnson Junior in twenty

534
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Speaker 1: twenty two. Also has ties to John Gaines, who he

535
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Speaker 1: coached at UCLA, which is where Fry was prior to

536
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Speaker 1: joining Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: He's also coached the Pouncy Brothers, so he has and

538
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 3: when he was in Florida. So he has a career

539
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 3: of coaching really solid offensive lineman in every single year.

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Speaker 3: I've seen it in the Big Ten with Ohio State

541
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Speaker 3: and what he's been able to do. He's followed Ryan

542
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Speaker 3: Day around a lot from his time at Temple to

543
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: Boston College and then obviously you mentioned UCLA and then

544
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Speaker 3: going back to Ohio State to reconnect with Ryan Day.

545
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 3: That he has been able to produce really solid offensive lineman.

546
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 3: The Cardinals had an opportunity to see that firsthand when

547
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Speaker 3: they drafted Paris Johnson junior. Paris Johnson Junior took to

548
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Speaker 3: Twitter and posted a jiff or gift, depending on how

549
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Speaker 3: how do you pronounce it gif. I'm gonna say jiff.

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Speaker 3: Then for this conversation, UH posted rebel that way. I

551
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Speaker 3: am a rebel that way. I like to go. You know,

552
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: when the ties going one way, I like to go

553
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Speaker 3: the other way. That is making it just to make

554
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: it more difficult, just to make as to have more

555
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: attention on me to bring up such amazing points like

556
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Speaker 3: Paris Johnson Junior pointing out that how excited he was

557
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: he sent to Jeff of his draft when he was

558
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Speaker 3: when he was walking across the stage of him screaming

559
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: boom out. You know that's something that that's going to

560
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: be exciting. But you also see it with a guy

561
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: like Josh Simmons in this draft, a tackle from Ohio State.

562
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Speaker 3: How Ohio State was able to win the National championship

563
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Speaker 3: despite being down there starting left tackle and center. They

564
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: were able to move pieces around and Justin Fry is

565
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Speaker 3: a big part of that.

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Speaker 1: Jeff is something you eat, Giff is what you post

567
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Speaker 1: to social media.

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree that it's something you eat. It's a

569
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Speaker 3: good peanut butter. I like peanut butter, but I think

570
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Speaker 3: it could be one of the same.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, beg to differ on that one. One

572
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: other coaching note within the Arizona Cardinals, and we have

573
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Speaker 1: been talking about again. Nothing has been made official, but

574
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Speaker 1: according to reports, a couple of weeks back or a

575
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Speaker 1: couple of back, the Cardinals had moved on from defensive

576
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Speaker 1: line coach Derek Leblant. They have filled that position with

577
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Speaker 1: another college coach out of the University of Minnesota. There

578
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Speaker 1: D line coach and assistant head coach Winston. Now, his

579
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: last name we've heard pronounced two different ways, so we

580
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Speaker 1: will wait for the official press release to see how

581
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Speaker 1: we pronounced the name.

582
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Speaker 3: But it is either the lats Badir or d latibou Adair.

583
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say de lats Badeir.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go by what his social media handle is,

585
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: and it's Debo again. If this becomes official, he becomes

586
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Speaker 1: D line coach Debo.

587
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Speaker 3: Is it Deboo? No, it's Debo Debo. All right, let's

588
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: go coach Debo. Look, Winston's gonna be coming in and

589
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: he's going to have a gift right in front of

590
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Speaker 3: him and a guy named Darius Robinson. The beauty of

591
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: having a guy come straight from college to the NFL

592
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: from a coaching perspective is you have the familiarity of

593
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Speaker 3: working with young guys that want that development, that are

594
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Speaker 3: eager for that development. And I was listening to a

595
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Speaker 3: press conference from a few months back of Winston's philosophy

596
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Speaker 3: when it comes to coaching young guys, and it truly

597
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: made me want to run through a wall just saying, Hey,

598
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Speaker 3: these are guys that are eager to learn. I'm gonna

599
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: coach you hard, I'm gonna work with you, but you're

600
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Speaker 3: also gonna have me as somebody that's gonna support you

601
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Speaker 3: along the way. And I think a guy like Darius Robinson,

602
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: we saw flashes of what it could be during the offseason,

603
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Speaker 3: and then he faced the injury and all the off

604
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Speaker 3: the field situations that he was handling with that I

605
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Speaker 3: know he's on the men from We've talked about it

606
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Speaker 3: with Darius, and then we started to see him on

607
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Speaker 3: the field and he started to have those flashes again.

608
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Speaker 3: When he came back against the Minnesota Vikings in Week thirteen,

609
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Speaker 3: he had a sack, He was able to make some

610
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Speaker 3: noise happen on the field, But we weren't able to

611
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Speaker 3: fully see Darius unlocked. We weren't able to see that

612
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Speaker 3: senior year that reg or that fifth year senior year

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Speaker 3: from Missouri Darius Robinson that the Cardinals drafted. I believe

614
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Speaker 3: with Winston de Latspader, you're gonna be able to see

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Speaker 3: a different side of Darius Robinson. Unlocked or d Lati

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Speaker 3: Boder or Deladi bodair Oh. I do know though if

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Speaker 3: confirmed in this news is no longer going to be reported,

618
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Speaker 3: but it's going to be confirmed by Johnathangana and the staff.

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Speaker 3: We do know that there is some familiarity Nick Rolis

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Speaker 3: being a Minnesota guy. He was teammates with Winston at

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Speaker 3: the University of Minnesota for two seasons, so there is

622
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Speaker 3: definitely some ties right there. This is a staff that

623
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Speaker 3: one way or another. The NFL is a small world,

624
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: and a lot of these guys have known each other

625
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Speaker 3: from prior stops, from different stops. I'm not sure how

626
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: often players or coaches have been teammates from back in

627
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: their college days when they're able to join a staff,

628
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Speaker 3: but Winston has been a rising star in the college

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Speaker 3: football landscape as a big ten guy. Myself, I've heard

630
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Speaker 3: his name in the rumor mill about potentially going to

631
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Speaker 3: different places if he does come to the Arizona Cardinals,

632
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Speaker 3: and it's no longer going to be reported but confirmed.

633
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Speaker 3: Very eager and excited to see what he's able to

634
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Speaker 3: do with a young defensive line room.

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Speaker 1: Familiarity is key when you're either constructing a coaching staff

636
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: for the first time, or filling holes on a coaching staff.

637
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: And again, especially when you see promotions to a coordinator

638
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: position like a Clayton Adams with the Dallas Cowboys or

639
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: Sam sifkis DC at Virginia Tech. Yeah, you want to

640
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Speaker 1: bring in guys that there might be some connections, either

641
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: coaching connections or player connections. And you have being teammates

642
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Speaker 1: at Minnesota and not teammates not that long ago, because

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Speaker 1: we know Nick Ralis the youngest coordinator in the league,

644
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Speaker 1: wasn't that far removed from his own coaching days. But

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Speaker 1: they were teammates for a handful of years at Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: I believe Winston's last year in college was twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken. So it look he's a young guy.

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Speaker 3: We're watching some videos of him from his college days. There,

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Speaker 3: you're hearing a lot of names that are you know,

650
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Speaker 3: still in the league, a lot of guys that you're

651
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Speaker 3: familiar with. He also coached John Joyner. He's a and

652
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: he's he's an outside linebacker edge rusher that has received

653
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: a lot of praise through the Senior Bowl and throughout

654
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: the All Star process. Interested to see what that's gonna be.

655
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Speaker 3: But I want to go back. You mentioned Sam Stief

656
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: because did you see what the video of Virginia.

657
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: I did say that it sounded a lot like Jonathan

658
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: Gannon and Nick Rolis.

659
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Speaker 3: Basically, for those who haven't seen Virginia Tech's Twitter page,

660
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: they posted a video of Sam Sief case. I believe

661
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: it's one of the first introductions he's had to his

662
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: new players in the Virginia Tech Hokies, and he said, look,

663
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: no matter what we could, we could fight. We might

664
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Speaker 3: be a little bit on to whatever it might be.

665
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: And that's me speaking right now, but what he did

666
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: say is we or no matter what, we're gonna play

667
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: with motor and we're gonna play with violence. And when

668
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: we do those two things, a lot of amazing things

669
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: are gonna happen. And that was the identity of this

670
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals defense. High motor, playing with violins, always running

671
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: to the football, and as clips were playing in the background,

672
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: you see a guy like Buddha Baker running to the football.

673
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: You see Kaizier White making a big time play. The

674
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech Hokies got an extension of this Jonathan Gannon

675
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: coaching staff at a pretty young age as well.

676
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Speaker 1: Once Sam said mo to play, I was like, okay, Well,

677
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: obviously that that went in one ear and stayed right

678
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: where it was, because we hear that all the time

679
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: from both Jag and Nick Rowlis about the mode of

680
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: play being physical and playing with violence some of the

681
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: coaching items. I know you've got a story up on

682
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: Ezycardinals dot com about Connor Singer and Ronald Booker who

683
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: were both at the East West Shrine Bowl. Blaye Gotchjay

684
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: was at the Senior Bowl over the weekend. Again, it's

685
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: more information that one. It's great resource for these young

686
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: coaches to develop relationships, network and rise to the ranks,

687
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: and also pay attention to some of these players that

688
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: stand out, interact with some of them, get to know

689
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: them beyond the game film, and then come back here

690
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: to Arizona and say, all right, yes, if potentially you

691
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: have this player that is on the board when we select,

692
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: I've got some knowledge that yes, good player obviously number one.

693
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: Good person Sometimes that supersedes the good player because you

694
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: want good people in that locker room.

695
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Speaker 3: I was doing some you know, a little bit of

696
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: a deep dive back to last year across the two

697
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: different All Star Games. You carea a little bit more

698
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: about this on Azycardinals dot Com. Across the two All

699
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: Star Games, the Cardinals had seven different coaches taking part.

700
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: Connor Sanger was one of them. He was at the

701
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl last year this year was at the Shrine

702
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: Bowl both years coaching up the wide receivers and the Cardinals.

703
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: Out of their twelve draft picks from the twenty twenty

704
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: four draft class, nine of those guys took part in

705
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: the bowlseason or in the All Star experience. Because of that,

706
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 3: you're able to bring that first hand intel back to Monti,

707
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: Austin Ford, back to Dave Seiars and say, hey, I

708
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: now know what it's like to work on an install

709
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 3: with this player. Here's how he responded to us. Ronald

710
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 3: Booker was telling me about how he's meant how working

711
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: with guys like Jaden Davis and Rabbit Taylor Demerson helped

712
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 3: him coach up the defensive backs at the Shrine Bowl

713
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: this year, Connor Sanger was saying, though you look at

714
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: you find some gems throughout this process. Is he Wolford

715
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 3: When he was still at the Cleveland Browns, was working

716
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl with Michael Wilson, and that's how

717
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: we found out whom Michael Wilson was. So when Izzie

718
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 3: wolf Word came to the Arizona Cardinals as the quarterback coach,

719
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: he was already in talks with Drew Petsing and with

720
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 3: Mani Austin for it about what Michael Wilson could bring

721
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: to the table. And that's a player that has shined

722
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: at different moments. I'm interested to see. It's not as

723
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: big of a staff that's going to be coaching at

724
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: these different All Star events. We're gonna have a contingency

725
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 3: that's going to go out to the Combine, and then

726
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: you'll have Pro Days that'll be taking place, and then

727
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: you'll have the draft before you even know it, We'll

728
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 3: see the bar was set pretty high. Nine players across

729
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: the two different All Star Games. It's a lot of players.

730
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: Craig four from the East West Shrine Bowl, tip Ryman Rabbit,

731
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: Xavier Thomas, Tejon Palmer five from the Senior Bowl. Darius Robinson,

732
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: who was Practice Player of the Week. If I'm not

733
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: miss defensive defensive playoff, Isaiah Adams, who worked directly with

734
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: offensive or assistant offensive line coach Chris Cook that week,

735
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: Christian Jones, Elijah Jones, and Max Meltin, And again, it's

736
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: just parts of the process when you're trying to figure

737
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: out who do we want to be Arizona Cardinals players. Yeah,

738
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: you got to be able to play, but also, okay,

739
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: can you take the coaching?

740
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 3: Are you good?

741
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: Do you not make it about yourself these particular practice

742
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: weeks and yeah, you might not statistically do well, but

743
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: are you making the correct play, especially if you're playing

744
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: in these games or also in practice, how do you

745
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: handle these one on one reps going up against someone else?

746
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: And are you doing what your coach to do on

747
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: the side.

748
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Speaker 3: I was reading an article by Dayton Bruger from The

749
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: Athletic and he was giving his practice standout players of

750
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: the week in his opinion. And while there's that vicious

751
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 3: viral clip of Mike Green running through that Oregon offensive lineman,

752
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 3: that Oregon offensive lineman was his player of was his

753
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: offensive line player of the week because of just how

754
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: that one play is not going to define his experience.

755
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: I think to a like Max Melon, people knew about

756
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: Max Mellon, but once you go to Rutgers, it's not

757
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: the biggest school in the Big Ten it's overshadowed by

758
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: some of the powerhouses, and then when you go to

759
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: an event like the Senior Bowl, you want to be

760
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: that guy. But Quinnon Mitchell was their first round pick,

761
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: and a lot of attention in that cornerback room was

762
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 3: focused on Quinnon Mitchell. The way that Max Melan was

763
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: able to respond and still play his game, still absorb

764
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: as much information from the coaches that he was working

765
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: with truly propelled him to, I believe, being prepared to

766
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: take over as he's starting cornerback here for the Arizona

767
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 3: Cardinals guy, he's another player that his trajectory is skyrocketing

768
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: right now.

769
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Speaker 1: Again, this is just the early process of trying to

770
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: figure out who the next wave of players the Cardinals

771
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: will select. Currently with six draft picks, and you brought

772
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: it up zech the combine coming up at the end

773
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: of this month, then in March it's free agency, and

774
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: then of course the draft coming up at the end

775
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: of April. So still a lot of time, a lot

776
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: of information to digest, a lot of film to watch,

777
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: get to know the person behind the player with these

778
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: with respects to these coaching staffs that will be in Indianapolis,

779
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: and then making sure that yes, we want them if available,

780
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: whether that's with the sixteenth overall pick or one of

781
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: the other five selections. The Cardinals are not a team

782
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: that just mails it in towards the back end of

783
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: the draft. So as much as you're looking at these players,

784
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: you want to know who the Cardinals are taking with

785
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: the sixteenth overall pick looking towards the back end as well.

786
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: So a lot of stars that the Cardinals have been

787
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: able to draft in and my stars I also mean

788
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: just impact players that have been able to make a difference.

789
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: A guy like Dante Stills in the sixth round, a

790
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: guy like Key trou Clark has flashed in different moments.

791
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: Just because you're undrafted doesn't mean you're gonna be, you know,

792
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: without a team. Starling Thomas is the guy that was

793
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: brought into the Detroit Lions for training camp and then

794
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: was let go and at the waiver deadline the Cardinals

795
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: brought him in and he's been a starting quarterback since

796
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Week six or week seven of the twenty twenty three

797
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: season or yeah, twenty twenty three season. So a lot

798
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: of different opportunities. This staff is working around the clock

799
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: hoping to find those those next grades and making sure

800
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: that the goal or to get the ultimate goal is

801
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: to be like where the Chiefs and Eagles are this

802
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: week in New Orleans preparing for the Super Bowl on Sunday,

803
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: since you and I will not be discussing this game

804
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: before the actual game is being played, at least not

805
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: here on this platform on Cardinals cover two. Which way

806
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: you lean in there, Zach? Is it a three pizza

807
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: or is the NFC going to do what they did

808
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl and knock off the AFC.

809
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Speaker 3: Seeing what Saquon Barkley brings to the table is special,

810
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: and I'm interested to see how the Chiefs react to

811
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: a guy like Saquon because he's a guy that will

812
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: break free even after first contact. I'm not sure who

813
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: the Chiefs have on defense that you have Drew Tranquill,

814
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 3: but a guy like Dallas Goddard. They have a lot

815
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: of offensive weapons, but if the downfield passing attack is

816
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: not going to be there and they're able to find

817
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 3: a way to stifle to run, it's gonna be very

818
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: tough for this Eagles team. Now, I know Patrick Mahomes

819
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 3: has all the confidence in the world that he's gonna

820
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: be able to slice up this Eagles defense. He already

821
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: did it only two years ago. There's still a lot

822
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: of players that are going to be across the sidelines,

823
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: and I do believe too. The storylines, I'm cure I'm

824
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 3: expecting to see a little bit more from Travis Kelcey.

825
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 3: It's no longer going to be about the Kelsey Bowl

826
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: in this game. It's gonna be Travis Kelcey trying to

827
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: go back to back to back. But I'm still going

828
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 3: with the Philadelphia Eagles.

829
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Speaker 1: I just can't bet against Patrick Mahomes. Not that I bet,

830
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: I just can't go against Patrick Mahomes because he and

831
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: that Chiefs team offense, defense, they find a way, what

832
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: is it, seventeen or nineteen straight wins, one possession winsday

833
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: and that's all it matters, one more point. I got

834
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: Drew Petsing now talking in my head. All we need

835
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: to do is score one more point on that particular day,

836
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: come away with a win. And that's exactly what the

837
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: Chiefs have been doing.

838
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: That's what they did when they play the Philadelphia Eagles

839
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two at State Farm Stadium. All it

840
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: took was a field goal with eight seconds left by

841
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: Harrison Bucker to give the Kansas City Chiefs their you know,

842
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: their first super Bowl in this you know, in this

843
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: in this run for to trying to make it three

844
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: in a row. It's it's tough to bet against a

845
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: guy like Patrick Mahomes. He is the best quarterback in

846
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: the NFL for a reason. In my opinion, he has

847
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: a great supporting cast around him. I'm I'm cheering for

848
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: guys like DeAndre Hopkins and and Hollywood Brown and DJ

849
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: Humphries because these are guys we know from this building

850
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: that you would love to see get to have a

851
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 3: ring added to the collection and get to add Super

852
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: Bowl Champion next to their name. They weren't able to

853
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: deal with here with the Arizona Cardinals, but you developed these, Keem,

854
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 3: You developed these relationships with these guys. But I want

855
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: my family to be happy as much as much as

856
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: I could. I'm already focused on the draft and the

857
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl and everything like that. That's the Bulls I'm

858
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: focused on is the Senior Bowl. With that being said,

859
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: I would have love for my family to be high

860
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: happy to see a Philadelphia Eagles win.

861
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: Family back home in Philadelphia. Yes, yes, you enjoy your

862
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Sunday with your family in Philadelphia.

863
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: I know that you're not that you're going to Philadelphia here,

864
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: but yeah, be watching on a TV saying, oh, Patrick

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Speaker 3: Mahomes did it again. Well we shall see.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a fascinating matchup. We'll talk more about

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Speaker 1: right now, how about we put a lid on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by a Hundai probably

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim and Andre, our associate producer Cody Fincher.

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Speaker 1: For Zach Kershman, I'm Craig Rayelu. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time you're on Cardinals Cover two.