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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Miles.

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat once

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Speaker 1: again by the director, journalists, and hosts behind one of

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Speaker 1: the great podcasts.

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Speaker 2: It is about as.

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Speaker 1: I think he put it the first time. He was

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Speaker 1: on the fact that the world is queerer than many

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Speaker 1: of us suppose, indeed queer than many of us can suppose.

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Speaker 1: It's called other world.

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Speaker 2: He's called Jack Wagner. To be clear, I did not

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Speaker 2: say that, but thank you for having me on the show.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure as always to be here. I did

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Speaker 2: not call my show queer, and if I did, it

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Speaker 2: would be in a positive way. Yes, yeah, yes, Where

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Speaker 2: do you get that fake quote? I thought? Man, did

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Speaker 2: you actually think time?

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Speaker 1: Did you actually think I said that I had that

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Speaker 1: quote and maybe it was something that I thought was

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Speaker 1: I think it was being used to describe the paranormal Wait,

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Speaker 1: that's me.

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Speaker 2: I said. It's original, it's giving pre nineteen hundred. Yes,

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Speaker 2: for sure, for sure, for sure, but I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it's a good quote. It's a good quote.

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Speaker 2: Quote sums up some of my favorite parts of you.

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Speaker 2: Although you should start doing that to every guest, is

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Speaker 2: kind of like and see what they do with it

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Speaker 2: if it's a good quote, Like I mean, sometimes you

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Speaker 2: might want to take credit. Why not? You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack, thank you so much for coming back. You

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Speaker 1: think you any travels and travails since you were last

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Speaker 1: we wanted to have you on on the spookiest of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Your podcast is so good. We're gonna end up just

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Speaker 1: being like, man, you remember that episode?

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Speaker 2: I was crazy? Sometimes I might not remember it, which

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Speaker 2: is the craziest part that's true? Is that real? Dude?

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Speaker 1: What is something from your search history that's revealing about

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Speaker 1: who you are?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm getting something from your search history.

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Speaker 2: Why is this embarrassing? No, I'm going to answer the question.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like get his ass smiles. She's where's

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Speaker 2: mommy tonight? No, my mom. I broke this all by

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Speaker 2: myself in the role of the two bullies from Hocus Pocus. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's carved into the back of my head. Dude, it's

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Speaker 2: not Ernie, it's ice man. The way they took his sneakers, Bro,

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Speaker 2: that was fucked up.

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Speaker 3: I was like my part, I'm like, bro, don't let

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Speaker 3: them take the second He's like, hey, let me try

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Speaker 3: him on. I'm like, bro, you need to either teary

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Speaker 3: a blade on you or to bike the fuck off.

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Speaker 2: Some don't let them take your shoes.

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Speaker 1: They look, he's wearing some new cross trainers. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: so you got Nike to let you do this if

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Speaker 1: you used.

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Speaker 3: The someone Yeah, someone's a Bo Jackson fan talking about

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Speaker 3: cross trainers.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and they saw him managed to fit a

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Speaker 1: guy who was clearly a thirty three year old playing

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Speaker 3: Sorry to keep bringing up bogus focus, but yeah, victory

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Speaker 3: the tessad. The parents did nothing. Yeah, the parents do well.

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Speaker 1: No, the parents were like, he's probably not wearing shoes

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Speaker 1: as a form of protests.

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Speaker 2: They do that, they do qualify as some of the

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Speaker 2: worst parents in the history of movies.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Uh, yeah, that is true. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if that's I don't know if it was like

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Speaker 3: my house or just a like an immigrant people a

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Speaker 3: color black thing. But if you didn't come home in

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Speaker 3: the new fucking shoes that were bar for you. There

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Speaker 3: was a full fucking sit down splaining session.

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Speaker 2: To an inquiry. Yeah, fully anyway, sorry, also talking about.

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Speaker 1: The wild that they were, like, he's not wearing shoes

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Speaker 1: in the house. What what's going on? It's like, you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't wear shoes in the house. He's freaks, disgusting Americans. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: what's your church history, asshole?

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Speaker 2: What's my shoe size? Yeah, what's your shoe size? Asshole?

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Speaker 2: Get his ass, spike, get his ass ice. Well, I'm

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Speaker 2: at a ten and then I'm currently sitting on a

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Speaker 2: ten shoe. Oh Google search was.

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Speaker 4: Tavern style pizza because I'm doing a show in Chicago

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Speaker 4: in December, and i know about the deep dish and

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Speaker 4: I'm getting there a day early to eat all day,

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Speaker 2: So you're yeah, of course, of.

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Speaker 4: Course, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. It's a gorgeous It's gorgeous. I

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Speaker 4: actually like just barely in my room, and not because

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Speaker 4: I'm exploring the city. It's because I'm just staring at

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Speaker 4: how beautiful the hotel is. Yeah, which is so nice.

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Speaker 3: So wait, you're getting there a day early to just

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Speaker 3: get your fill of like all the Chicago like classics.

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Speaker 4: These beefs, these these deep dishes and these and my

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Speaker 4: recommended the the pea quads of the world. Then was like,

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Speaker 4: we we eat tavern style. That pizza is there so

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Speaker 4: which is a thin, thinner crust, crispy and not cut.

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Speaker 4: I know you guys know this already. I'm explaining this

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Speaker 4: to We talked.

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Speaker 1: About somebody reverence it and didn't really have a great

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Speaker 2: But I cut me off. If you didn't fucking cut

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Speaker 2: me off, I would We're learning. Sorry, we're learning. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: God keep talking. No tell us about it. You don't

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Speaker 2: talk all right?

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Speaker 3: Justin in the chat Chicago Chicago born and bred Aurelio

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Speaker 3: some of the best tavern style pizza in the Chica.

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Speaker 2: There you go, Chicago Land area. Stand up.

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Speaker 4: I didn't need to google anything. I could have just

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Speaker 4: emailed just for all this information.

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Speaker 2: Has that you stopped doing that.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I know it's getting a little bit. It's

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Speaker 4: getting really granular. Now you're like Jack Ware, I'm sorry

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Speaker 4: for what how I just treated you.

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Speaker 3: That was crazy. I'm so sorry. It's okay, I'm sorry

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Speaker 3: for my tone. No, you're forgiven, but I'm never Victor.

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Speaker 3: Victor just a note here, never have blake back on

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Speaker 3: the show. Okay, okay, Well, once you tell me who

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Speaker 3: Victor is, I'll apologize.

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Speaker 2: You failed, you failed, your failed, sealed your fate. Fuck.

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Speaker 4: I've also, speaking of crossing boundaries, I've asked Victor to

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Speaker 4: send me multiple pictures of his Victor's dog.

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Speaker 2: So I love that dog, adorable dog. I'm all a

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Speaker 2: beautiful dog.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, beautiful, beautiful dog. Beautiful, beautiful a dog. It's a

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Speaker 5: beautiful dog, one of the most beautiful. You know some

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Speaker 5: saying like sex as much as I do.

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Speaker 2: What what? This dog can breathe underwater for five minutes?

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Speaker 2: I don't think he knows what a dog is.

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Speaker 3: The dog was frozen in nice folks in Times Square

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Speaker 3: and got out eventually.

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Speaker 2: That's David blame, sir, No, that's the dug. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: he's a nasty dog. Where are we at now? So

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Speaker 2: you googled it? Is it material?

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Speaker 4: I put it in a smoothie and I gargle it

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Speaker 2: I have this amazing voice.

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Speaker 3: Delicious yeahs are are you gonna go to Portillo's? Obviously

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Speaker 3: that's not like a unique that's like, you know, everyone

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Speaker 3: goes to Portillo's, but the fucking roast.

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Speaker 2: Beef and cheddar croissant sandwich is are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: Deca dunce?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So no hip I think that's a great piece

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Speaker 4: of advice, no hip factor if you're going to go

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Speaker 4: do this, you know, so it's like, oh, everyone goes

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Speaker 4: to Portillo's, then go to then go yeah, you know, if.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's going, we don't have it, we don't have it here.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't have it here. Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't have to be mister cool, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I found like a hut you know, underneath the Mississippi

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Speaker 2: So you know you're near the Mississippi, the mighty mississipp Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And uh but yeah, so that's what That's what I

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Speaker 4: getting myself into. So gonna do deep dish, of course,

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Speaker 3: Of like pack comedians just do, like trolley Chicago food

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Speaker 3: jokes like I feel like they go and they look

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Speaker 2: Like, hey, I just had just have one of your

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Speaker 2: great hot dogs with ketchup all over it. Fucking kill

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Speaker 3: I heard lou mal Naddi's is the best pizza in

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Speaker 4: For that reason, I do almost I do almost always

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Speaker 4: intentionally avoid like a local reference like that, because if

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Speaker 4: they've been to any comedy show, I'm sure every single

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Speaker 4: or commenting on something in the room, you know where

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Speaker 4: if there's like a weird window, it's like, I'm sure

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Speaker 4: that joke has been made forty five thousand times.

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Speaker 2: That's a weird window. Huh. The crowd just goes insane.

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Speaker 2: That leaded a backflip off her table.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great window, so we'll break the window.

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Speaker 2: Window. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? Douglas?

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Speaker 6: Okay, underrated? This is my hot take is not too cultury,

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Speaker 6: but New York City beaches. I think, you know, people

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Speaker 6: I go all the time, even when it's cold, to

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Speaker 6: feel like it's totally a little paradise out there.

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Speaker 3: I've I've never I've been to New York a lot,

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Speaker 3: but I've never gone to the beach. I'm always curious

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Speaker 3: because I see people at the beach. I see people

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Speaker 3: with spaghetti on the beach. Yeah, well what spaghetti on

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Speaker 3: the beach?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to me. Thing.

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Speaker 3: Apparently I kept saying, like, Pero going spaghetti, spaghetti on

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Speaker 3: the beaches out there, But wait, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: I guess I look at it from an LA perspective,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, New York is not an each place,

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Speaker 6: Exactly And there's part of me that's like, great more

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Speaker 6: for me when I hear stuff like that. So first off,

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Speaker 6: water's cold in LA. Water's cold in San Diego. Water's

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Speaker 6: cold here. So anybody who's like, oh, well, you know

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Speaker 6: it's warmer out in California, You're like, sure, it's generally

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Speaker 6: the air is warmer, but the water is still cold.

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Speaker 6: In both places. You're gonna have to wear a wet

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Speaker 6: suit either way. But there's like a decent breakout here.

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Speaker 6: It's a great cross training. It for a lot of

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Speaker 6: different type of waves, like there's great food, like, there's

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Speaker 6: great energy, and it's also got like a little diy

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Speaker 6: music scene by the beach, and I just feel like

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Speaker 6: it's like, oh, definitely something that a lot of people

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Speaker 6: haven't tapped into who live here, especially I mean obviously

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Speaker 6: during the warmer months, but even when it's not warm,

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Speaker 6: just like getting out being near the water. There are

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Speaker 6: whales that breach out on Rockaway from Like it's like

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Speaker 6: during the fall, the whales come out. I've served when

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Speaker 7: Overrated is buying a dog? Like dog breeding? How are

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we're back. We're back. And uh.

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Speaker 1: You did a couple episodes on WIGE Awards, Yes a

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Speaker 2: some stuff that was really compelling on the other side,

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00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: Like there's I listened to it like a series where

439
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 2: it interviewed some people who had experienced it in a town.

440
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: Isn't really intense, But anyway, you can continue with your point.

441
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: I didn't mean I just I think that that's true.

442
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: I think that they experienced harrowing things. I think I

443
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: think the power of the unconscious mind is like the

444
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 2: great underrated force of people's existence. And I think like

445
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: ritual and you know, all these things that we don't

446
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: really make room for officially, as like mattering in our world.

447
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: In a lot of cases, like are ways of accessing that.

448
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 2: And I think I just think that people are like,

449
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: if it's their own conscious mind, then it's like skeptic

450
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: skeptic view not interesting. And I think that's actually like

451
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: really interesting that like that that's kind of what's going on.

452
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: But there are definitely parts of the story that would

453
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: make it like impossible for that. Like there's one part

454
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: where it predicts that they're at like a high school

455
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: movie screening on a football field, and it is like

456
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: it predicts that the projector is about to go down

457
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: and it does.

458
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, There's a ton of stuff like that. And

459
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: I mean also the fact that in that story this

460
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: occurred before this whole Zozo thing was like a trend,

461
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: like a decade before. Yeah. And then the other thing

462
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 2: is like the basis for poo pooing wigiboards as they say,

463
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: it's like the ideo motor effect. It's like this idea

464
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: that like microscopic muscle movements in a group can like

465
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 2: guide the thing the plan chet. But and that's you know,

466
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: like the idio motor effect is like a real thing.

467
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's been like proven to exist. But

468
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: if you look at the word like z O, like

469
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 2: z is all the way at the end, oh is

470
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: not equally the at the end on the opposite side,

471
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: it's like one earlier. So I just think, like if

472
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: you guys, if like, like I know, people explain it

473
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: away by saying like, oh, it's just sort of like

474
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: in the downtime between you know, the radio motor effect

475
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: spelling out a word, people just kind of like go

476
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: to the side to side pattern and hit that. I'm like,

477
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: I just don't think it would hit z O or

478
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: z A for that matter, Right, it's two specifics things

479
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: from each other. Yeah, it's too common. It's too common.

480
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: I would expect to see other patterns of that sort.

481
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: And that's sort of what I I kind of come

482
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 2: to those conclusions a lot on the show, where I'm

483
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: very open to looking at it both ways, but sort

484
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 2: of like, well, I would expect to see more like

485
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm same same with like the hat man stuff, right,

486
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: the hat man stuff. The hat Man is this very

487
00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: common shadow figure that people see oftentimes in sleep prolysis,

488
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: but people see it not during sleep paralysis. It's just

489
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: the shadow shadow man that looks like he's wearing like

490
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: a wide brimmed hat and sometimes he has red eyes.

491
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 2: There's like another thing that I would have laughed at

492
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: and thought was corny until I realized, like how common

493
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: this is.

494
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 3: And it's like a localized thing because I mean, I've

495
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: I see it. It's all over the place, right, So,

496
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: and that's kind of what makes it sort of interesting.

497
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: It's not just like, well, these group of kids over

498
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: here said when they're fucking around with ambient or something.

499
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: It's like, no, this is it. Oh yeah, there's that too. Yeah,

500
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: the benda dryl thing. But but yeah that. And then

501
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: in sleep paralysis there's like a few common things people see.

502
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: The other one is like the old Hag, which is

503
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 2: like this woman sitting on you. And then this is

504
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: sort of the same thing, but like the mayor the

505
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: night This is like the origin for the term nightmare.

506
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: Is this thing sitting on you and holding you down.

507
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: But anyway, there's like, is it a horse? The mayor

508
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: is a horse? I think at one point it was

509
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: like a horse, yeah, kind of like demon thing. I

510
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 2: think that's what it might have been. Damn. But yeah,

511
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: it's a really old term. But they're like pretty much

512
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: every culture has a similar thing to this, and they're

513
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: all similar looking, like seeing this old woman on you

514
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: or in the case of the hat man, how widespread

515
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: that is? So circling back to the unconscious talk, if

516
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: it was just like the human unconscious whatever that means,

517
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: by the way, right generating this, you'd expect to see

518
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: a lot more variation, especially throughout time and culture. Like

519
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: I'd be very very surprised, you know, I just said

520
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: that the whole the origin of the term nightmare comes

521
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: from this phenomenon. You you would expect going back that

522
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: far that like fears would change enough. Why would we have.

523
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: Like why wouldn't it be uh tesla? You know, that's

524
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: what we get around. We don't get around in uh

525
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: on horses anymore. We get around, so like, wow, why

526
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: would it still be a horse? Why would it be

527
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: a guy with a big hat that like is out

528
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: of style people wear anymore?

529
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: I would expect to see more like micro trends with it,

530
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. Yeah, totally. Yeah, and between cultures

531
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: and stuff, so yeah, that's those are the kind of

532
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: things that interest me, you know. And and those two

533
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: things I did laugh off at first, but then kind

534
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: of reluctantly dug into them, like, oh, this is pretty

535
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: interesting actually and frightening. So I don't really know what

536
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 2: it is. It's funny that I I mean, I think

537
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: it's sort of a stupid name. I wanted to think

538
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: of another name for that episode besides Zaza, like it

539
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: killed me call it. But that's like, I don't know,

540
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: I think that's interesting though, when it's a scary thing

541
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: that like I'm you know, I'm I'm normally somebody that

542
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: would think it's completely stupid, but the story is compelling

543
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: enough that like pulls me to the other side, right,

544
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: And it's kind of a goofy sounding name, but this

545
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: is that I guess that makes it scarier in a way.

546
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: You're like, not Zaza. It is like something that like

547
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: you would kind of laugh at it first, you know, totally.

548
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's kind of like the experience

549
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: of listening to your show, like I remember Last time

550
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: You're on was kind of like I think you were

551
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: just getting into like the Them series of episodes, and

552
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: like I'm I'm I'm very skeptical, Like I'm I'm one

553
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: of those people who like even though like Japan I'm Japanese,

554
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 3: there's like very rich ghost like you know, spooky culture

555
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: there that I'm like, nah, I'm not, I'm not seeing

556
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: any of this stuff. But like in listening to your show,

557
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: because I mean, like I remember when you're on last time,

558
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: you're sort of like I don't necessarily believe in everything

559
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: or at all. It's more just like it's it's really

560
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: interesting to hear these people describe these events that have

561
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: happened and that them experience them. Yeah, and them one

562
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: is by far one of the most fucking out there

563
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: things I've ever heard in my life. If you like,

564
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: give like a you know, like a three line description

565
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: of it so people kind of understand what I'm about to,

566
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: like get into here and real quick.

567
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: Before you were, before before we started recording, you were

568
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: had to answer a text message. I have to assume

569
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: it was from one of the interdimensional.

570
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you know? How do you know? I

571
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: will say, interesting timing. The girl from that series is

572
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: visiting right now. She's in town. Some of the meta

573
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: in person, Yeah, a soul by meetup man. You could

574
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: look up. Yeah, maybe you'll see her walking around the neighborhood.

575
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean yeah, like sort of give a

576
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: light breakdown, because I think it's really interesting to listen.

577
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: Whether or not you believe in this stuff or skeptical,

578
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: I think it's the The experience.

579
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: Of listening to it for me was very interesting. I'm

580
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: glad you liked it. Basically, it's about this girl in

581
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: Norway who is kind of feeling off and basically one

582
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: night while she's in college, sees this strange looking like

583
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: man in her room, almost like a ghost but not quite.

584
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: She's obviously freaked out, has a lot of really strange

585
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: physical sensations as well around this time, and tries to

586
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: power on with her life, but is ultimately just kind

587
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: of having anxiety about it and tweaking as you would expect.

588
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: So she calls her mom and hopes that her mom

589
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: will calm her down, tells her like, I saw this thing,

590
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: like I'm feeling all this stuff blah blah blah. But

591
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: instead of her mom calming her down. She was like,

592
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 2: I was afraid this was going to happen, and was like,

593
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: they're talking to you now, She's like what there we

594
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: go yep. But so she's like what And so her mom,

595
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: you know, tells her very briefly that she's been communicating

596
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: with these beings for like a long time and is

597
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: essentially like, come home to visit and we'll talk. And

598
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: at that point she finds out that the mom and

599
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: a girl from the mom's gym have been communicating with

600
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: what they think are interdimensional beings for a substantial amount

601
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: of time I forget how long. Yeah, And to make

602
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: to make it stranger, this girl from the gym is

603
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: the same age as soul Vi, and her and the

604
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: mom have like become very close to the point where

605
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: there she becomes like a third sister to them essentially.

606
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like kind of doppelganger is or like they

607
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: have like a lot of.

608
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: Between them. Yeah. Yeah, So it's like and it gets

609
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: weirder from there, right, Yeah, it's to me, it's all

610
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: I always like that like start to the story is

611
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: what locked me in early on, and especially meeting soul Fi.

612
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, I one hundred percent believe this girl. I mean,

613
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: it's not even a question of belief, you know, you

614
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: meet her and talk to her. It just like she's

615
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: a very straightforward person, right This clearly happened to her

616
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: and she doesn't know what it is.

617
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: But that's the thing that like really fucked me up

618
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: about it now, because again I was like, I'm sure

619
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: there's got to be a way to explain all this,

620
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: But then I was trying to look deeper as to

621
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: what was pulling me in despite being so like logical,

622
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: when I like, when I listen to things like this,

623
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: and there is something I think because we live in

624
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: this like super dumbed down, like deeply disconnected world right now,

625
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: like our current like world, this modern world we're completely

626
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: disconnected from like you know, the land, from each other,

627
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: like our history and things like that, that to hear

628
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: somebody describe these sort of paranormal phenomena or experiences in

629
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: a way like sort of calls to something like that

630
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: there's something there's like there's a spirituality that we've lost

631
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: on some level as human beings that even if I

632
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: believe Soulvie, are not hearing this person speak about these

633
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: things that can't be explained that they don't understand. Is

634
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: like pulling at something I think much deeper, like in

635
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: the human experience that we just completely lack now, like,

636
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: especially because that's what colonialism does to most people, like

637
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: completely it's those things are seen as like pagan or

638
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: savage or whatever.

639
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: And the ritual and spirituality out of things, and it's

640
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: just like, this is a materialist universe. Here are the

641
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: laws that explain it. We know everything, more mystery to work.

642
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: Exactly, And I think there's a yearning on some level

643
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: that it surely just can't be all of this just

644
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: tangible shit. On some level, even if you're religious or

645
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: not that like, there is something that we feel on

646
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: a deeper level that we can't quite explain. And I

647
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: think that's why I really enjoy listening to the show

648
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: is because even then, even if I'm like, I don't

649
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: know if this actually happened, but the sensation of hearing

650
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 3: a person sort of sincerely describe a thing, whether they're

651
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: like very talented liars or just people who are really

652
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: being very sincere, there's just something that is undeniable that

653
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: I realize. I'm like, oh, man, like there's something about

654
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 3: it that is like I don't know like healing, or

655
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 3: there's a yearning that I didn't understand, like I had

656
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: deep within me, which is like trying to find sort

657
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: of like these sort of threads to something like that

658
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: isn't just tangible and just explainable like everything else has been.

659
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: In mind, I like, I really really like that reaction,

660
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: And that's actually kind of like what I hope the reaction.

661
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: I hope people have to the show, or was hoping

662
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: they would have. And I think it's what why I

663
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: like this stuff, you know, where I wasn't super into it,

664
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: but I do think like when you hear something like that,

665
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: I find it comforting in a way, like it kind

666
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: of can make you feel small and like remind you that, oh, yeah,

667
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: we really don't know anything still, right, and especially when

668
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: like the world is crazy or your life is crazy

669
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 2: or anything. Just things feel out of control so often

670
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: in life, you know, I think there's there's an odd

671
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: comfort to uh, hearing the most extreme version of that

672
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: and being reminded like, oh yeah, like not only is

673
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: the world completely out of control, like it's always been

674
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: out of control, like we don't know anything, We're just

675
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 2: like kind of powerless, you know, And that's fine. It's

676
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: it's comforting knowing that there are these great, great mysteries

677
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: that maybe we'll understand one day, but it's okay to

678
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: not know because I mean, so I think I've served

679
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: my life being a skept like a real skeptic on uh,

680
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: supernatural things, And yet I wear specific hats or don't

681
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: wear specific hats based on what, like how a basketball

682
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: team that I like has performed, which is just I

683
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: think to your point about powerlessness, It's like that is

684
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: the thing I am completely unable to control, and so

685
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 2: I like invent this stupid way that I can control

686
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: it and like believe it with my body and not

687
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: my mind. But like fully, like I'm like, fuck, I

688
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: did something wrong on right.

689
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's what's interesting too, because I remember like

690
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: a lot of people to like shows like yours or

691
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: other shows dealing with like paranormal phenomenas, Like they're people

692
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: who so deeply want to just explain why it isn't

693
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: like and it's just like and it's an unequivocal no,

694
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 3: this is fucking nonsense, And like I get that sort

695
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: of desire, But I think that's why I like I.

696
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: That's what I found very interesting about listening to the episode.

697
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: It's not me necessarily trying to figure out like where

698
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: are the where are the holes in this story, because like, sure,

699
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 3: I can be very analytical about those kinds of things,

700
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: but I think again, it's the idea of just that

701
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: that there is something we just can't explain and it's

702
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: and sure, maybe it's manifesting in these people saying like

703
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 3: I'm experiencing X, Y or Z, but like even knowing

704
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: someone is experiencing that, there's something like intoxicating about it too,

705
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: And I think maybe that could just be because I've

706
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: been I'm such a deep skeptic about stuff like this

707
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: where I find myself not having to be like does

708
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: this confirm my beliefs or does it completely blow them up?

709
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: I'm like finding this middle thing which it's like, no, man,

710
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 3: like there's something just much deeper, even if it's about

711
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: like it's not maybe necessarily interdimensional beings communicating, but we've

712
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: shut ourselves off to something that like I'm trying to

713
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: figure out how to reconnect to and not in like

714
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 3: a magical way, but just something that's a little bit

715
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: more outside of what is you know, sort of academically described.

716
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely and I will say this, like, well,

717
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: first of all, as the host of this show and

718
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: somebody who wants people to just be able to like

719
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: listen and relax and like not being able to not

720
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: try to disprove everything. It is obviously frustrating, like that

721
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: type of personality who's like wants to quickly disprove things.

722
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: But I will also say that, like a lot of

723
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: this stuff, even if you don't like believe it all

724
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: the way, like a lot of times, like I don't

725
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: have a way to disprove it, and I try, right,

726
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: A lot of people are comfortable disproving something by just

727
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: like saying some bullshit and being okay with it not

728
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: being complete. Right. A lot of the ways people disprove

729
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: these things is just like throwing out some fucking stupid

730
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: shit they heard on Wikipedia or like a podcast one

731
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: time and just being like, oh, it's like this effect,

732
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: you know, like I heard about that one time. It's

733
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: like all right, And then if you really if you

734
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: really apply it and like pick it through, it doesn't

735
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: make sense, like wouldn't hold up in court, right, Like

736
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: you couldn't if you actually had to disprove it, like

737
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: up to the standards of like a jury, you know,

738
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: that would not work. Often times, there's all sorts of

739
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 2: weird little things people toss around, like mold. The person

740
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: had like black mold in their house. Maybe maybe it's

741
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 2: black mold in their house.

742
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: It's just like, right, there's the fact that even someone

743
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: is experiencing the world like that. I think it's just

744
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: very Yeah, I would still be interested, but yeah, I

745
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 3: mean there's things like that that get tossed around as

746
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: if we even fully understand those and Jack not to

747
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm not picking on you at all. I do this too,

748
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: But like I hear a lot about people saying like, oh,

749
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: it's just their unconscious playing tricks on them. It's like, well, dude,

750
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: that's not even we don't even know what the unconscious

751
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 3: mind is yet or the limitations of it, so it's

752
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 3: like that doesn't really I'm not satisfied with that explanation ever.

753
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: That gets tossed around a lot. It's like, well, we

754
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: don't know the function, the complete functions of the unconscious mind,

755
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: how it exists. We don't know if it's completely internal.

756
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 3: There's people who think that it could be partly external.

757
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: I think that it could come from somewhere else that

758
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: opens things up, that opens the floodgates.

759
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like young believed that there was like a

760
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: shared unconscious that we like had access to that exactly.

761
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

762
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of my interest in it is that

763
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: it's so unknown and which is just as magical the

764
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: concept of shared unconscious and then have been going about

765
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: to sort of bring all that to it.

766
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things where like, uh, it's

767
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: sort of like the one oh one level is being

768
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: the Reddit atheist who just is like, oh, it's all fake.

769
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: But when you kind of like dig deeper, you kind

770
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: of like come out through the other side. At one

771
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: point you could kind of like keep digging through to

772
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: the other side over and over again with this stuff,

773
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: which is interesting. But yeah, like unconscious stuff, I mean

774
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: even bringing it back to the Ouiji board, it's like

775
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: if it is everybody's unconscious, like they're the movement on

776
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: the plan chet kind of like reaching this flow state

777
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: like that is actually what spiritualists would say is the

778
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: key to unlocking it, right. Yeah, the people who create

779
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: like basically popularize the wage aboard and like they don't

780
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: actually the spiritualists don't use that anymore. But like that

781
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: era that era of time is like what birth this

782
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: like the talking board. But yeah, those people that believe

783
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: it one hundred percent would say that that is the key,

784
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: like the group working together and that shared exactly. I

785
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: think it's so powerful and interesting. Yeah, it's it's cool.

786
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: I mean, and the longer you think about it, the

787
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: more you scratch your head with this stuff. Yeah.

788
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: Two of the characters like predict using Luigi, like predict

789
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: the day the exact day that like one or the

790
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, uh Zozo predicts the exact day that their

791
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: boyfriends are both going to break up with them, And

792
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 1: I thought that was funny, so wild, Like.

793
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: I forgot this either way, it's so interesting. I forget

794
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: if it made it into the episode or not. But

795
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: when she told me that, I was like, do you

796
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: think there's a chance that you guys just broke up

797
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: with you because you were addicted to playing with the

798
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: right We're obsessed with it? But like that is what

799
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: I think.

800
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: It's like a drug where you're like connecting with this

801
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: thing in a way that is not available to you

802
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: in any in any other way. So like what whether

803
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: it's something outside or inside, I think it's you know,

804
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: powerful and interesting I'm way more powerful than anybody is

805
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: anyone who's doing it, like being like it's just their

806
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: unconscious mind making playing tricks on them that yeah, it's

807
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: not dismissive like that actually makes it more interesting to me,

808
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: I think.

809
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, But with the Them series, people want clean answers.

810
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: There's a certain type of person that would want like

811
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: a clear answer to that, and they go looking for it.

812
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: I wanted to disprove that one I'm not disproven. I

813
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: thought I was going to that confident I would find something.

814
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: I would like turn over enough stones that I would

815
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: find clue right like, but I have not really even

816
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: formed a theory in my mind that like a hypothetical

817
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 2: way to disprove it all. I'm just kind of lost,

818
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: which is so spooky to me. And uh, yeah, I

819
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: don't know, that's what I mean. Same with the people

820
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: in it. They don't really know what it is whether.

821
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: I think that's why I like even just like I

822
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: would have when I was listening to IM, like I

823
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: can't wait to hear what the answer is. But then again,

824
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: as again, like the sensation of listening to it isn't

825
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: necessarily that I'm thinking of it, Like logically it's more

826
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: I'm I think it's because because I'm skeptical that part

827
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: of that, like there's a certain cynicism that comes along

828
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: with that. Not that it's like bad or anything, but

829
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 3: this helped thaw that a bit and was just maybe

830
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 3: it's just for pure entertainment or pleasure that I could

831
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: just go, well, we don't know everything, and that's interesting

832
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 3: and I like it, and I'll keep it there.

833
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: It's not I'm not going up calling.

834
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: My mom and be like, yo, mom, we got to

835
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: get right with these interdimensional beamsat hear the clicking sounds

836
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: I'm making with my mouth, and I think that.

837
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: Sort of uncanny thing you're talking about of like the

838
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: experience of listening to the show is like the we

839
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: used to only learn and pass information on via the

840
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: oral tradition, and like that is learning like hearing things

841
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: as people experience them through their experience, and like that's

842
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: what I think is so powerful about the show, is

843
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: that like it's reconnecting you with like that way of

844
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: experiencing these things that you know, we we were just

845
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: like yeah, but written tradition better, and it's like no,

846
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: you're cutting out a whole, very compelling way of learning

847
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: about human experience.

848
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think like to kind of close out

849
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: the whole skepticism thing. You know, people who believe that

850
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: there's explanations for everything, it's just we simply don't would

851
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: be I would love to know if we did have

852
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: an explanation, like, let's just say for ghosts, Like people,

853
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: there are people who legitimately believe that, like ghosts have

854
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: been disproved and like like whether it's infrasound or you know,

855
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: mold poisoning or something, there are people who think that's

856
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: like case closed, this is what it is. It's just

857
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: simply not the case. And what I always say in

858
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: terms of that is, like, if there really was some

859
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: way to make a person see a ghost, I would

860
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: love to know. I would love to patent it. Should

861
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: you imagine the haunted house? You could do? Can you

862
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: imagine the bag from the Universal Studios contract? If I

863
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: figured out, like there's a sound frequency I could play

864
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: to like vibrate somebody's brain in a way that they

865
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: see a ghost. All right, I'm patenting that you won't.

866
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: You won't hid the podcast again, bro, I'll be James.

867
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 3: Raytheon would be knocking at your door before Universal Studio. Absolutely, yeah,

868
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: let's take a quick break.

869
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 2: We'll come back. We'll be right that sure, and we're back.

870
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: And I wanted to talk about the ghost face mask

871
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: for Scream because.

872
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 2: I we we have in the past looked at the

873
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: and it maybe we still will.

874
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: They were we're kind of running out of time this week,

875
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: but didn't even do the like trending top top costumes

876
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: of the year thing. It's always been a bit of

877
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: bullshit where it's like, you know, they're just finding the

878
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: ones that are like popping up and in the news

879
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: so that they can like and then it's a mixture

880
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: of that with like it'll be like Spider oh yeah, yeah,

881
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: well Spider Man, but the like truly you know, we

882
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: we have thousands of trigger treaders come to our house

883
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: every year for the past six years, we've lived here

884
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: in a place that like has very like constant trigger treaters,

885
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: and without fail, every year, the most popular costume is

886
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: the Scream, the ghost faith mask. Like that is it.

887
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't know, I was a little

888
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: bit surprised, Like I don't know, I knew the screen

889
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: movies were popular, but it's like from eight starting at

890
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: age four up people are just wearing Scream masks. So

891
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: I feel like there's just something about that mask that

892
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: really connects with the national share consciousness. Like I've always

893
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: thought that Michael Myers is the scariest, coolest Halloween mask. Yeah,

894
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: but Scream demolishes Michael Myers in terms of like popularity.

895
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: So I think I got it. I got some ideas.

896
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: I think maybe yeah.

897
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, And on Wikipedia, Wikipedia can confirm since the

898
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: appearance of ghost Face and Scream, the costume has become

899
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: the most worn and sold costume for Halloween in the

900
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: United States.

901
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: Douglas, you a Halloween fan? Do you dressing?

902
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 6: I like Halloween? I dressed up as a Bavarian chocolateeer

903
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 6: this year, and before that I was a pineapple. Nothing,

904
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 6: nothing too scary. I keep it light on Halloween, but

905
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 6: nothing is scarier than a three foot child in a

906
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 6: Scream costume.

907
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 1: Scream or Michael Myers too, Oh either or true foot

908
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: Michael Myers is hilarious.

909
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: Michael Myers.

910
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 6: I saw that at UCB one time, and that was

911
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 6: a great show.

912
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: My my Harold team. Michael Myers.

913
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, but no, I mean there is something. It's I

914
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 6: think it comes back to Van goh, the of it all.

915
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: It is monk.

916
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 6: Yes, it's memordial, it's deep. No, everyone has felt the

917
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 6: scream in their heart and so yeah, that's what I

918
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 6: feel like.

919
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it's connecting because so one of the

920
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: theories of like masks is that, like, you know, like

921
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: Michael Myers is the most neutral mask. It's like it's expressionless,

922
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's what's scary about it, you know,

923
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: is it's just this like blank face that you can

924
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: both that both it's like creepy to have something stalking

925
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: you that like never makes an expression, but also you

926
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: can project whatever onto it, you know, like you can

927
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: project your own scary feelings. Where scream is like the

928
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: or the ghost face mask is the opposite of that.

929
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: It is the most expressive facial expression like possible, and

930
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: they just really like nailed it with Yeah. I mean

931
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: they so a lot of people point out, like you did,

932
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: they do seem to be borrowing from the Edward Monk Scream,

933
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: which is a famous painting because from the time I

934
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: was painted in the late nineteenth century, I think it

935
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: symbolized the existential angst and anxiety that people were facing

936
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: with the onset of the the technical the Industrial Revolution, Wait.

937
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 2: Till World War One? Yeah?

938
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, with World War One the face. The face seems

939
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: to be saying, coming from a deep existential horror and

940
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,479
Speaker 1: asking the question, what's up.

941
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: World War one? World War one? Dude, dang influenza fuck?

942
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if to me the reason

943
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: I think the Scream mask is the least scary of

944
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 3: the masks, and that's why it's so the embrace is

945
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: so easy because you look at it and it looks

946
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 3: kind of like a It looks like a decoration you see,

947
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: like when Disney makes Disneyland look all spooky like and

948
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: it's one of the ghosts where it's like, oh, it's

949
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: a ghost and it's like scary, but it's not like menacing.

950
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of it comes from like

951
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 3: the film, so like.

952
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like ironic too.

953
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: Like that's another thing that people have pointed out that

954
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: it's like post you know, Scream is a very postmodern

955
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: movie where it's commenting on horror movies and the rules

956
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: of horror movies, and like they have literal characters inside

957
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: it talking about the rules of horror movies and so

958
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: like the mask is both like can can be seen

959
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: as like expressing horror, but it can also it almost

960
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: seems like it's mocking. Yeah, like it exactly sarcastically being like,

961
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: oh no, like doing a Kevin from Home alone.

962
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

963
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 6: And in the movie, I think there's even a bunch

964
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 6: of jump scares that end up being a haha, I

965
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 6: was messing with you man yea in the movie, and

966
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 6: I think that actually helps it be scarier because you

967
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 6: don't know when it's gonna be the real one. And

968
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 6: there's so many parts in the movie where people are like, Okay,

969
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 6: stop messing around, come on, take it off, and then

970
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 6: it's like, oh no, watch.

971
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: You yeah right, oh no, it's the guy with the

972
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: very specific voice changer.

973
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

974
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean the like I feel like that Michael Myers

975
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: feels like otherworldly almost, and you know his character is otherworldly,

976
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: like he kind of can't be killed and it's just

977
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: this like force of evil that keeps.

978
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 2: Coming from you for you.

979
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: Where's the screen movies which are like the most that

980
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: the most of the box office of any like slasher

981
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: horror movies. I think the first three ones, at least,

982
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: the bad guys are always just like on some Scooby

983
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Doo shit.

984
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 2: You know, it's.

985
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: Always just like I've pulled off the mask and revealed

986
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: that it's you know, a real person from the movie

987
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: with a grudge and a complicated backstory doing this because

988
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: they've yeah, usually they've been ruined by the world.

989
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 2: But I do feel like that is, Yeah.

990
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: There's something very human about both who the killers actually

991
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: are in the screen movies, but also like the mask

992
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: is like kind of very like embracing human emotion and

993
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: human horror and.

994
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: You know, all of that.

995
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: So there's like, which makes sense like that at a

996
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: time when we've like kind of mostly I think left

997
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: behind the idea that like there is another worldly horror

998
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: that is going to do us in like that it's

999
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: the devil that's going to do it, and now we're

1000
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: just like people are bash. Yeah, that like makes sense

1001
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: that this would be the mask we go with.

1002
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: I think there's like a comfort argument too, because think

1003
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: about all the shitty, fucking rubber masks that we were

1004
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 3: subjected to in the eighties and nineties prior to Scream,

1005
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: and they were like stinky inside of basketball smelling rubber

1006
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: faces or like I mean, they're still popular now, but

1007
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 3: like a lot of them.

1008
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: Were like those in my near future unfortunately.

1009
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 3: And like a lot of like the like scary ones

1010
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 3: were like fucked up and kind of scary. You're like, oh, bro,

1011
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: if I like, if I had that in my room,

1012
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 3: I just wouldn't want to really look at it, you know.

1013
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 3: And the scream mask a little more comfortably, were like

1014
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: a black hood of put the mask on, and it's

1015
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: I think again, it's just the fact that it's less menacing.

1016
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: I think appeals to children, and because it's not like

1017
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 3: it's not bloody or anything or has like you know,

1018
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 3: like it's like a mutant face or whatever. It's like

1019
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: silly ghost mask. But also the scream like to your point,

1020
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 3: Douglas is because like you know, Billy Loomis and whatever

1021
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: the fuck Math the other guy was called in the

1022
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: first movie, he's like teenagers fucking around with the mask.

1023
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: It kind of has that like so sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,

1024
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: sorry sorry sorry sorry. Yeah, Victor's given it to me too.

1025
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: Sorry for the spoilers. I should have said that it

1026
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: wasn't Billy Loomis, But like, I think there's like a

1027
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 3: fun to it that also makes it unpredictable, you know

1028
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: what I mean, or like you don't like, so it

1029
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: really is, like Mike Myers is like you can kind

1030
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: of project your own intent on it.

1031
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: It's the scream.

1032
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: The ghost face mask starts from a place that feels

1033
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: a little more innocent, and then from there it's like,

1034
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 3: it's really up to you.

1035
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: How fucked up you want this thing to be?

1036
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to be killed by something that's making the

1037
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: scared face that you're making is kind of like it's

1038
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: mocking you, you know what I mean. The origin this

1039
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: is a quote from a Slash Film article from I

1040
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: think this is what.

1041
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wes Craven, or one of the makers behind the film.

1042
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: Say they were doing a location scout for like one

1043
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: of the places they shot it. They saw this mask

1044
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: it must have presumably it was around Halloween, and we're like,

1045
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: what about this? And then this quote says no one

1046
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: could agree on a mask. And I remember we were

1047
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: in a location scout and we found ghost face in

1048
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: a box of stuff in a garage. Weird that you

1049
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,959
Speaker 1: were location scouting and just like just muddling through their shit.

1050
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: Wes Craven immediately looked at it and said, this is

1051
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: like the famous screen painting, and so we took that

1052
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: to our production and we said, riff on this, make

1053
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: something like this. They must have done twenty different designs,

1054
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: every one of them was rejected by the studio, and

1055
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: finally we were like, why don't we just get the

1056
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: rights to the mask? And we have a drawing in

1057
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: the dock of like what some of the things they

1058
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: did looked like. And they look like fucking garbage pail kids.

1059
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: They look like shit, it's so bad. Yeah, really great.

1060
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 6: Half the brain exposed like no, yeah, and not as breathable.

1061
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 6: I mean, to Miles's point, children love a breathable mask,

1062
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 6: and these would have been a rubber basketball shit hole.

1063
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, yes, steam steam cook your dome wearing a

1064
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 3: fucking dumb anyway. Wait, so who's the person who has

1065
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 3: the right That person must be fucking raking into Yeah.

1066
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: It was like somebody from a Halloween mask creator who

1067
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: like got the got the rights. Yeah, so fun World

1068
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: a company called fun World that did like a series

1069
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: of masks. So the screen mask was meant to like

1070
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: kind of be flowy and spooky and like go with

1071
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: your standard ghost sheet costume, and so like its eyes

1072
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: were like a little bit more like wavy.

1073
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, turn that cund outfit. The clan outfit into a

1074
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: ghost outfit with yeah, exactly, ghost up. This clan outfit

1075
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: basically got all these damn clan outfits I do. But

1076
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 3: the origin story. First of all, the house that they

1077
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: were scouting was apparently a house from a famous Hitchcock

1078
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 3: movie that I'm not that familiar with, Okay, Hitchcock's Shadow

1079
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 3: of a Doubt. And they found it in.

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Speaker 1: A box, Like this is how it would exist in

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00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: a Goosebumps tale of a haunted mask that like comes

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00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: out to like possess people. Is like, they find it

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00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: in a box in a garage somewhere, nobody knows who

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00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: like designed it, and they're just like try and like

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00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: copy this, and its power is just like so undeniable

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00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 1: that it can't be altered and that it goes from

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00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: like that garage box to like movie screens to literally

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00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: like every other face on Halloween night. Like if you know,

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00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: we were talking to Douglas, we had the host of

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00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: a podcast called Other World on earlier this week and

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00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: just talking about like the way that these ideas, whether

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00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: they're like from the unconscious or like these powerful energies

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00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: can like come out and like if if ghost Face

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00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: is like representing something real or like otherworldly or like

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00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: unconscious or something like if that's secretly the face of Zozo.

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00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: To people who listen to that episode trying to get out,

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: it has like so profoundly and thoroughly won and like

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00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: in a way that is exactly how it would happen

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00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: in like a Goosebumps book. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, but yeah,

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00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: the somebody got real real lucky. Apparently the TV show

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Speaker 1: tried to like alter it because they didn't have the

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00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: rights like there, and so MTV made the decision to

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00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: redesign the mask for the new series, and it sucks.

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00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: It's just it's like a neutral mask from like the theater,

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: but it with like a blowjob mouth, like a mouth

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00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: made to get.

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: It looks so it looks like something from like, uh,

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00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 3: what's the word on, like the time of like Cortisans

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00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: in Italy or something like a weird Morcelin. It's like

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Speaker 3: not scary. It looks like it looks like bad decor

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00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 3: in an old person's house.

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Speaker 1: I can't be scared by like things that like any

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00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: horror movie that happens in the like deep in that period,

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00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: like a different period of history, Like I just can't

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00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't scare me. Like there there's that uh I forget,

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00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: like one that took place in Venice that I think

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00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: had Kenneth Brana attached a couple of years back that

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00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't know, man, I don't give a

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00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 1: fuck about this. Yeah, I mean just talking in Venice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just I think just show them trying to go to

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00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: the bathroom back then. That's horrifying enough.

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00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 6: No, like maybe the Phantom of the Opera would wear this,

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00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 6: you know, as he's approaching in the catacombs or something

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00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 6: like that. I say, just give fun World the money.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they nailed it. They fucking ate with that one.

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00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 6: They nailed it.

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00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: They channeled something deep and dark about humanity, maybe by

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00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: copying one of the most famous paintings of the past

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00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: three hundred years, but the original Emo King, Original Emo King,

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00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: the Scream paint.

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00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: Wow, this is so people are so into the original

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00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 3: mask that apparently fun World started altering it a little

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00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 3: bit that there were like change dot Org petitions. We're like,

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00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: bring back the first generation mask and people are saying

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01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 3: the original molds are gone, but I'm sure you can

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01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 3: make another one, because.

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01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: So the original you can't even find the og.

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01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: I think if you look for like there, no, there

1139
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: are plenty, I think there. I think this is for

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Speaker 3: people who are so in like. There have been different iterations.

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01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: The one we see right now is obviously readily available,

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01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 3: but I think there's a different one that people are like, No,

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01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 3: I want this. The Gen one is what I keep

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01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 3: seeing on the internet. Bring back the Gen one mask.

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01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: Jesus, wow. The Schnyder cut of masks.

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01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: There's apparently a couple scenes, I think the in the

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01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: first scream where it was pre them negotiating the rights

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01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: to get the original mask, and so there you can

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01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: see that the mask is like.

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01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: A little bit altered. It was like the version that

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01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 2: they were going to go with if they couldn't get

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Speaker 2: the rights.

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01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: Oh dude, the Gen one. Okay, Gen one is different

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01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 3: than the one we see in the movie. This is

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01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: Gen one with like sort of more triangularish eyes.

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01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. That one sucks. Shit, it looks too Yeah. That

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01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: one looks like if like I was hanging out with

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01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, I did too many mushrooms. Yeah yeah, why

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 2: is it smiling? Yeah?

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01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the original, the one that showed up

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01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: in the movie is fucking great. And yeah, that's that's

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01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: the one that I ride for. And that's the one

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01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: that it seems like everybody is obsessed with. And the

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01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: crusette of Halloween masks. You only need one. You have

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01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: it your whole life. You're scary, your whole life.

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01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, seasoned, you.

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01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 3: Know this mask has been seeping microplastics into the faces

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01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 3: of this family for three generations now, and it's now

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01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 3: your turn.

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 2: Ye, and now we're all a little quirky.

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01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: I think the first year that we did Halloween here

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Speaker 1: and like we saw so many screen masks. I was like,

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01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I think there's like a.

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01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: Scream reboot coming. Wow, that's really like it must be

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01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: popular with people.

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01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: And it's only grown since then, Like it's just like

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01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: more and more, and now there's like a lot of them.

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01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: You can like press a little button and it like

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01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: sprays blood onto the mask.

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01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those on it. That's that's too much dip

1181
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: on your chip. Yes, it's simple, too much tip on

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01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: your chip.

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01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 7: I like that.

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01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: Say all right, that's gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: For this week's weekly Zeitgeist, please like and review the show.

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01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: If you like the show, uh means the world de Miles.

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Speaker 1: He he needs your validation, folks. I hope you're having

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01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: a great.

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Speaker 2: Weekend and I will talk to him Monday.

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Speaker 1: Bye.