Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Hunt Collective.
Speaker 1: I've been and Brian. Today I am joined by Hunter
Speaker 1: Jordan's Mark the crew. Hello, back forty. Hello, You're gonna
Speaker 1: hear a lot of things coming up. A lot of
Speaker 1: things about the Back forty, a lot of things about
Speaker 1: how we feel about it, a lot of things about Michigan,
Speaker 1: a lot of things about Mark Kenyon, good and bad.
Speaker 1: But before we get to any of that, we also
Speaker 1: joined by Phil the Engineer. We're gonna do. We have
Speaker 1: nots of sharp moments. We have the first ever Dr
Speaker 1: Phil segment from from our boy Phil. So look forward
Speaker 1: to that. I'm calling it Dr Phil Medicine Woman. But nobody,
Speaker 1: Nobody's going with me on that one. We got that
Speaker 1: and then we got Back forty talks, so stick around
Speaker 1: to that. But before we get to that, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about something very important, and that is a book
Speaker 1: called That Wild Country by my friend and colleague Marcus
Speaker 1: Aurelius Kenyon. Could you be an esquire? Sure? Why not?
Speaker 1: So We're gonna take some time before we get to
Speaker 1: the show to tell you about this book because this
Speaker 1: book is about a lot of things now, but it's
Speaker 1: mostly about our public lands. Is that right market? It is,
Speaker 1: and it's an interesting counterpoint to the rest of the conversation,
Speaker 1: which is about private lands and which interestingly illustrates the
Speaker 1: two sides of my life. My life too. I think
Speaker 1: all hunters have this duplicity in their life. I definitely do.
Speaker 1: And people can buy let's just before we get to
Speaker 1: what what's inside the book. People can buy it where well,
Speaker 1: it is gonna be held most anywhere. Eventually on December one,
Speaker 1: it will be available most anywhere. You can buy books
Speaker 1: between November one in December one. I'm not sure when
Speaker 1: this is coming out, but between November one and December one,
Speaker 1: it's only available on Amazon to Amazon port of Amazon's
Speaker 1: First Read program. Somebody told me a special promotional program
Speaker 1: where they release a book a month early. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a very prestigious honor for Mr Mark Kenyon in that
Speaker 1: Wild Country to be included in Amazon First Reads. Amazon,
Speaker 1: if you don't know as big as shit and they
Speaker 1: sell lots of things, um, so go shopping a whole
Speaker 1: Foods and go buy Marx books. In inside the book
Speaker 1: you did, um basically a field studying and a study
Speaker 1: in and of itself of the history of public lands,
Speaker 1: your feelings about public lands. Give us a couple of
Speaker 1: quotes or a couple of feelings that are in in
Speaker 1: the pages of your book. Well, I think at the
Speaker 1: high level how this all came about is, you know,
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and fourteen, fifteen sixteen, everything around
Speaker 1: the land transfer movement was starting to pick up steam.
Speaker 1: Within the hunting community. We're really starting to hear about it. Um,
Speaker 1: Folks like Randy Newburg and Steve ron Ella and Beck
Speaker 1: County Runters and Anglers and Fielding Stream and Outdoor Life,
Speaker 1: all these different media outlets were starting to toot the
Speaker 1: horn of Hey, this is a thing that's picking up steam.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that are advocating that we
Speaker 1: should be transferring our federal public lands to states, and
Speaker 1: that's not a good idea. And I had for you know,
Speaker 1: some portion of well, growing up, I'd experienced some public land.
Speaker 1: I lived in Michigan, but we went and visits national parks,
Speaker 1: we did a lot of state parks, that kind of thing. Um.
Speaker 1: Once I graduated college, my wife and I started heading
Speaker 1: out west and spending a lot of time in these bigger,
Speaker 1: wilder Western landscapes, and so had had developed a really
Speaker 1: strong affinity for these places, and eventually, with as my
Speaker 1: career started becoming more flexible, we started spending two to
Speaker 1: four months a year living out west just exploring public lands.
Speaker 1: Um So, at this point I had a lot of
Speaker 1: love for these places, and as I started learning more
Speaker 1: about them being threatened, I realized, I don't know how
Speaker 1: we got to this point. I don't know how we
Speaker 1: got to have all these locations. How we have six
Speaker 1: forties some million acres of public land, How we have
Speaker 1: Grand Teton National Park, How we have these national forests?
Speaker 1: How we have these places that have been so special
Speaker 1: and impactful on me. So somewhere on the way, I've realized,
Speaker 1: is there something I can do? Is there some way
Speaker 1: I can try to help bring some attention to these places?
Speaker 1: Because around me in Michigan, all my friends and family,
Speaker 1: he had no idea there was this kind of thing
Speaker 1: going on. They had no idea that all this public
Speaker 1: land was was possibly threatened, or that we even had
Speaker 1: these places. A lot of my friends had no idea.
Speaker 1: I heard of the Yosemite, they heard of Yellowstone. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's different than when you live in Montana, when
Speaker 1: you live in Wyoming. Um, just a kind of a
Speaker 1: different world. I can attest to that. I've lived in
Speaker 1: Illinois and Montana and Texas and Maryland. Yeah, so much different.
Speaker 1: So basically came to the realization that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of folks in America that don't know this story. They
Speaker 1: don't even know it's it's available to them. So I thought,
Speaker 1: maybe I can tell that story. UM. So I decided
Speaker 1: to study the history of our public lands and study
Speaker 1: what's happening right now and what that might mean for
Speaker 1: the future, and tell that story through a series of
Speaker 1: my own adventures in these places. So over the course
Speaker 1: of a couple of years, as I spent months living
Speaker 1: out on public lands, camped out in my camper, backpacking,
Speaker 1: back rafting, hunting, fly fishing, climbing, back that all sorts
Speaker 1: of different things, canoeing, um, trying to experience these places,
Speaker 1: understand what's at risk, what's up for grabs here, and
Speaker 1: overlay that with the lessons I learned along the way,
Speaker 1: as I researched and studied and read and talked to
Speaker 1: people about how we got to this point and that's
Speaker 1: what that's what wild that wild country is. Well, every
Speaker 1: writer wants to pen a book. Every hunter wants to
Speaker 1: tell stories. Uh, and I love public lands, so I
Speaker 1: think this book is awesome. Now there's a quote that
Speaker 1: you reference in there by a fellow named Wallace Stegner.
Speaker 1: I'll just read it. We simply need that wild country
Speaker 1: available to us, even if we never do more than
Speaker 1: drive to its edge and look in before. It can
Speaker 1: be a means of reassuring ourselves of our sanity as creatures,
Speaker 1: a part of the geography of hope. And if you
Speaker 1: want to read more, just like that. Those ideas, those ideologies,
Speaker 1: those philosophies, go to Amazon right now, between now and
Speaker 1: December one, right Mark, Yeah, that's the one place to
Speaker 1: get it, between now and December one, and you go
Speaker 1: and pick up that wild Country. It is not so
Speaker 1: much money for the amount of perspective, So go and
Speaker 1: do it. Thank you, Mark Kenyan, Thank you Ben. Now
Speaker 1: this episode of The Hunting Collective enjoy. I guess I
Speaker 1: grew up on an older road, a pedil do the medal.
Speaker 1: I always did what I've told until I found out
Speaker 1: that my brand new closes a game second hand from
Speaker 1: the rich kids next door. And I grew up fast.
Speaker 1: I guess I grew up. I mean, they have a
Speaker 1: thousand things inside of my head I wish I ain't seen,
Speaker 1: and now I just wanted to a real bad dream
Speaker 1: of being a lack. I'm coming a part of the scenes,
Speaker 1: but thank you Jack Daniel. Hey, everybody, welcome Episode seven.
Speaker 1: I'm here with Phil the Engineer. I am here in
Speaker 1: bows Man, Montana for another week of the Hunting collect
Speaker 1: So this week is all about you. Well, it's not
Speaker 1: all about you. It's mostly about you. It's also about
Speaker 1: the Back forty. As you'll hear coming up in the
Speaker 1: interview signal of the show, we have ah behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the Back forty, which is our white Tail property,
Speaker 1: which you should already know. If you don't know, go
Speaker 1: to the Meteor YouTube check it out the Back forty.
Speaker 1: But I've been I spent I just flew back from
Speaker 1: the Back forty, Phil, and I spent the whole flight
Speaker 1: back reading your emails. I was a bit backed up
Speaker 1: on the THHD inbox, and so I spent a good
Speaker 1: better part of about three hours hopefully answering most of
Speaker 1: your emails. And I created a folder in my email
Speaker 1: called show Keepers, because I normally would just reply and
Speaker 1: then forget them. But there's so much good stuff happening
Speaker 1: in the THHD inbox, I felt like I needed to
Speaker 1: highlight some of the best ones. So this this little intro,
Speaker 1: it's going to be all about you, mostly about you.
Speaker 1: Are you referring to me the listener? Okay? Got it? You? You,
Speaker 1: the collective listener out there, have done a fantastic job
Speaker 1: of emailing your thoughts, feelings, opinions. All very constructive, all
Speaker 1: very positive, and even when they're um seemingly negative, you
Speaker 1: you do a great job of keeping the perspective. So
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you, because I did spend,
Speaker 1: like I said, quite a long time looking at emails.
Speaker 1: We got some segments to get to. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to those pretty quickly, and then we're gonna get a
Speaker 1: bunch a pile of emails. But um, we've got to
Speaker 1: get to a couple of things. But first, the work
Speaker 1: sharp not a sharp moment, phil play the jingle not
Speaker 1: so sharp moment you don't have Okay, this one is
Speaker 1: quick and dirty. It comes to us from Seth Bustby.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Seth, you have been selected ready for the
Speaker 1: story film can't Wait. About three years ago, when I
Speaker 1: still believe that you couldn't piss in the woods while
Speaker 1: deer hunting. I use an empty sent away bottle that
Speaker 1: I had my pack tracking got it so far naturally,
Speaker 1: the next year, I didn't remember that I used that
Speaker 1: specific bottle and sprayed myself with my year old piss.
Speaker 1: You can smell it now in case you just pick
Speaker 1: your Seth in the morning. Spring. You probably woke up
Speaker 1: on the right side of the bed. It's gonna have
Speaker 1: a great day the spring spring. Piss all over himself,
Speaker 1: year old piss all over himself. I imagine that many
Speaker 1: deer hunters have done this, Maybe not many, a few,
Speaker 1: it seems this could be maybe not. How many people
Speaker 1: are pissing in their scent away bottles? Maybe not. This
Speaker 1: is embarrassing. And to make it worse, that was the
Speaker 1: first time my wife went hunting with me. Oh no, y'all,
Speaker 1: take care, Seth. There's a short but sweet This is
Speaker 1: why I didn't mention if they were still together. I
Speaker 1: laughed out loud. He said he didn't say X wife. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the good point So for all that that was
Speaker 1: a brief one, but very impactful to me. So Seth,
Speaker 1: thank you for your not so sharp moment. Hopefully you
Speaker 1: got to wash those piste drenched hunting clothes. And for
Speaker 1: all your troubles, we're gonna send you a work sharp
Speaker 1: field sharpener and you're gonna love it. They'll play not
Speaker 1: a Sharp Moment so you don't have all right, well, listen, um,
Speaker 1: I wanted that to be a brief not so sharp
Speaker 1: moment because we have rather long email about the nots
Speaker 1: of sharp moments to read. Now this is one. This
Speaker 1: is one of the best emails we've ever gotten. Is
Speaker 1: one of the most clever emails I've ever read. And
Speaker 1: so Andrew Lennard's is going to get a THHC hat.
Speaker 1: We're gonna send him a hat, all right, Phil, and
Speaker 1: I will personally will write a personal letter to you
Speaker 1: as well, thanking you for your contribution to the show.
Speaker 1: And Andrew said this, He said, good morning, this isn't
Speaker 1: an email with a not so sharp moment. I've had
Speaker 1: a few of them in my time, but not sure
Speaker 1: they are worthy of competing with some of the others.
Speaker 1: I felt obligated to write this email in regards to
Speaker 1: the jingle for the work Sharp not a Sharp Moment
Speaker 1: segment of the show. The first time you guys played it.
Speaker 1: I thought that myself off. Well, isn't that a funny
Speaker 1: little song. Now weeks have passed, I can't get it
Speaker 1: out of my head. I'm literally singing it as I
Speaker 1: type this email. Thank you for that. The jingle has
Speaker 1: done its job, and I'm now addicted to the words
Speaker 1: like the finest crack cocaine on the market. I believe
Speaker 1: by the end of the week my children will also
Speaker 1: be addicted and will spread the virus that is this
Speaker 1: catchy tune to all their friends at school. Well done,
Speaker 1: Skimpy micweek Stash, I applaud you on this marvelous creation.
Speaker 1: I'm a new subscriber to the show, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: disappointed I didn't find it sooner. Reheaded to rehab soon, Andrew,
Speaker 1: Thanks Phil, Hey, you're welcome my pleasure. Thanks Phil. You're
Speaker 1: ruining lives. Yeah, well, I mean you're a scourge upon
Speaker 1: the land. You should have known that this would have
Speaker 1: happened eventually. Yeah, I should have. I should have known
Speaker 1: that you would be wrecking the brains or loyal and
Speaker 1: new listeners like Andrew. So what do you have to
Speaker 1: save for yourself? Uh? Not a whole lot. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm glad that the jingle seems to be effective in
Speaker 1: some way. Um, and yeah, I hope hopefully I can.
Speaker 1: We can see what what what other things I can
Speaker 1: I can bring to the table. Maybe I'll do a
Speaker 1: jingle for your segment coming up. Okay, can you teach
Speaker 1: me how to play the piano? Sure if someone else
Speaker 1: teaches me first. Okay, yeah, uh that'll be It might
Speaker 1: take a while, but I could do like a doctor
Speaker 1: Phil medicine woman theme song. Okay, it's gonna be great. Um,
Speaker 1: but that's I thought, Andrew Man, well done, well done
Speaker 1: in many ways. You made me laugh. And so you
Speaker 1: get a hat. And that's the threshold for getting a
Speaker 1: hat around here. Just write a funny email. Funny funny email,
Speaker 1: make me laugh for that. I forwarded it that around
Speaker 1: the office because it made me laugh. Now, Phil, your
Speaker 1: mustache is gone. Yeah, sorry to break it. Break it
Speaker 1: to the listeners. It is no more. I shaved it
Speaker 1: off first thing in the morning after all the ween what. Um. Oh, listen,
Speaker 1: I told you that I wasn't a big fan of it. Listen,
Speaker 1: it didn't look great. Okay, thank you for this, uh
Speaker 1: skimpy mcweekstash you Um you live, you burned brightly. You're
Speaker 1: a shining star. Goodbye. Seemed to me that you lived
Speaker 1: your life like a candle in the wind. Um, Skimpy,
Speaker 1: Why the mango? Okay, yeah, I it's it's gone, and
Speaker 1: I feel great. Honestly, I'm sorry. It was it was
Speaker 1: a blonde angel sent from heaven. Yeah, and now it's returned,
Speaker 1: returned home, homecoming anyway. Yeah, I I don't I don't
Speaker 1: miss it. Did your wife miss it? Not at all? No.
Speaker 1: I My son noticed that I shaved it. He said, Dad,
Speaker 1: did you shave your mustache off? I said yes, he
Speaker 1: said yay. So I think the only people who wanted
Speaker 1: it around were you and several listeners. And that's that's
Speaker 1: about it. And I'm not gonna cater to you or
Speaker 1: like I'd like to have a pretty eulogy for Skimpy mcweekstash.
Speaker 1: Skimpy Skimpy, you were here for a very short time.
Speaker 1: When I first met you, I thought you had no
Speaker 1: chance of climbing into my heart and taking a piece
Speaker 1: of it. But over time you grew on me and
Speaker 1: on Phil You and you were able to make a
Speaker 1: mark on us all with your blonde, shadowy figure and
Speaker 1: you're gentle but firm presence. Mm hmm, thank you. It's Skimpy.
Speaker 1: Rest in peace. Wow that was great timing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't playing that time. Thanks Skimpy make aweek stash. We
Speaker 1: didn't have people right in. We had some people right
Speaker 1: in that Gary should have won. Um. I have a
Speaker 1: little regret that we didn't name Skimpy Gary. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think we I think Gary was a close second.
Speaker 1: It was a seriously close second. Bryant Lumen wrote in
Speaker 1: always a buncher people's names. I feel l u h
Speaker 1: m a n would that be Lumen l A l
Speaker 1: a U l u h Probably Lemon Lemon. He wrote
Speaker 1: in that his dad's name was Gary, his dad's here's
Speaker 1: here's Gary Phil and he had an awesome mustache And
Speaker 1: unfortunately his dad passed way. And you know what I
Speaker 1: will say this, I there's some like some health issues
Speaker 1: going on in my family. When I read Brian's emails,
Speaker 1: like my dad helped me get going. My dad's not sick,
Speaker 1: he's fine, But um, that kind of hit me a
Speaker 1: little bit that his dad's name is Gary, his dad
Speaker 1: had a kick ass mustache. His dad taught him to
Speaker 1: hone he's now a biologist in the land Steward u
Speaker 1: W Medicine. So it's a great story. Um, but I
Speaker 1: think it's probably good that Gary wasn't remembered in the
Speaker 1: form of my mustache. I think he is probably deserved
Speaker 1: something a little bit and more robust. Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: three sons taught him all how to hunt. So the
Speaker 1: emotions while I read all your emails, the emotions went up,
Speaker 1: they went down, they went all over the place. That
Speaker 1: was Brian's email was another person that struck me. It's
Speaker 1: just a cool story. And it's funny how we make
Speaker 1: jokes about mustaches and somehow that can become weirdly meaningful. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we got a lot of more stuff to get you.
Speaker 1: But before we get to that, Phil, I promised you something. Yes,
Speaker 1: I made you a promise, and I keep my promises, Phil,
Speaker 1: keep them. The promise that I made you was that
Speaker 1: you could have a segment on the show. And now
Speaker 1: we would call that segment. Dr Phil. Did you write
Speaker 1: any music? Uh, not music, but a little intro A
Speaker 1: little intro sound? Okay, right here, go for it, Dr Phil.
Speaker 1: This person needs surgery. Now, don't worry. I'm on it.
Speaker 1: My work here is done. All right, Phil, what have
Speaker 1: you prepared for us today? I don't know anything about
Speaker 1: what's coming. I'm seating my hosting duties to you for
Speaker 1: the moment. Take it away, Phil, Okay, well listen, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to overthink this. Um I tried to think
Speaker 1: about what I could bring to the table, and I,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I didn't come up with a lot, but
Speaker 1: sounds promising already. One of the one of the one
Speaker 1: of the favorite things that we that you have done
Speaker 1: on on the show since I've been here were the
Speaker 1: top five lists with Sam Soholt and Maggie Smith. Remember
Speaker 1: Spencer new Hearth and not not me because you cut
Speaker 1: me out of the voting. Didn't do that. You got
Speaker 1: honorable mention on all of the votes. Um So, anyway,
Speaker 1: as a sort of way to get my revenge, um
Speaker 1: this is revenge is a strong word. See. I could
Speaker 1: see you like in your room, toiling waiting for your revenge.
Speaker 1: I've decided that the segment is going to be uh
Speaker 1: dr Phil Medicine Woman, Colin Phil's Picks, Phil's Picks play
Speaker 1: the jingle we already did. It was a sound effect. Um,
Speaker 1: I don only have jingles for everything. Now, well, it's
Speaker 1: going to be a sort of jingle perfect. There might
Speaker 1: be some ominous drones in the back yells Picks phils Um.
Speaker 1: So I decided that anytime you listen, this might be
Speaker 1: the only time we do the segment until decide it
Speaker 1: was a horrible idea. You're on thin ice. I'm on
Speaker 1: thin ice. But if if this will become a recurring thing,
Speaker 1: every segment will just be me um. Maybe it'll be
Speaker 1: putting things in listen. I love lists, listics, listicals. They're
Speaker 1: they're useless, usually not full of any um like you know,
Speaker 1: good information. They're not enlightening in any way. It's just
Speaker 1: a way for you to to get mad at somebody
Speaker 1: else's opinion. Said about someone else's opinion on the Internet.
Speaker 1: Top five things that I ranked that I don't know about.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm excited though. Okay, so I figured for
Speaker 1: this first Phil's Picks list ranking order, I've decided to
Speaker 1: come out, come out hot I'm coming in hot um,
Speaker 1: I'm coming in with with the I ranked the the
Speaker 1: current ten films in the Star Wars and as we know,
Speaker 1: no one has an opinion about Star Wars on the Internet.
Speaker 1: In fact, most people write it. I had at least
Speaker 1: three emails or four emails of people that were hoping
Speaker 1: that you would do this with your segment Star Wars.
Speaker 1: But Marvel, what's the c Yeah, Medical Center Unit? Was
Speaker 1: it close? Marvel Cinematic Universe m CU was thrown out there.
Speaker 1: A lot people are suggesting what you might do with this.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't. I don't. I don't care about
Speaker 1: the MC as much as I do about as much
Speaker 1: about hit them hard. Okay, coming in uh number ten,
Speaker 1: We're gonna start from the bottom. This includes the all
Speaker 1: the films, the Cannon films in the Skywalker saga. There's
Speaker 1: ten is there ten total? There's tent total? And then
Speaker 1: this Christmas number eleven, Rise of Skywalker the final film.
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing, there's that can't be the final
Speaker 1: It will be final film until like fifteen years from
Speaker 1: the final film of the Skywalker saga. Man um because
Speaker 1: there are currently eight of like the main movies, and
Speaker 1: there's two anthology movies Solo a Star Wars story and
Speaker 1: Rogue one a Star Wars story. Here's where I watch
Speaker 1: these things on a plane and then I fall asleep
Speaker 1: halfway through them. Then you're gonna love this. Number ten.
Speaker 1: I had a tough time picking between two films, Attack
Speaker 1: of the Clones or The Phantom Menace. Those are episodes
Speaker 1: two and one, respectively. Yeah, those were the second time
Speaker 1: they started coming out with them, right, Yes, Phantom Menace
Speaker 1: came out in I remember thinking how has all this
Speaker 1: time passed? And it looks like because they were that
Speaker 1: was a prequel, right, the prequel. I remember thinking, how
Speaker 1: is this a prequel? But the spaceships look more advanced. Uh,
Speaker 1: well the Republic fell, then that's what these films are about. Continue,
Speaker 1: So number ten, Attack the Clones may I I many
Speaker 1: consider this the worst of the Star Wars films, as
Speaker 1: do I. Um, it's Hayden a lot of it got
Speaker 1: a lot of flak for the performance of Anakin Skywalker
Speaker 1: by Hayden Christensen, who does a little bit better in
Speaker 1: Revenge of the Sith. But he comes in strong, comes
Speaker 1: in like a little whiney brat right out of the gate.
Speaker 1: You hate him. Um, But I I brought up some
Speaker 1: dialogue from this movie that I would like to I
Speaker 1: would like to read you're reading dialogue, um this this
Speaker 1: music doesn't fit the dialogue, and I'm going to read, Uh,
Speaker 1: so it was panned a lot for Also it's it's
Speaker 1: just it's horrible representation of the love story between Anakin
Speaker 1: and pad May and featuring some dialogue such as this Anakin,
Speaker 1: from the moment I met you all those years ago.
Speaker 1: Not a day has gunn by when I haven't thought
Speaker 1: of you, And now that I'm with you again, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm in agony. The closer I get to you, the
Speaker 1: worse it gets the thought of not being with you.
Speaker 1: I can't breathe. I'm haunted by the kiss that you
Speaker 1: should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping
Speaker 1: that the kiss will not become a scar. You're in
Speaker 1: my very soul, tormenting me. What can I do? I
Speaker 1: will do anything you ask. If you are self suffering
Speaker 1: as much as I am, please tell me anyway. Horrible
Speaker 1: number nine. The Phantom Menace Episode one h features two
Speaker 1: pretty great sequences, the pod race and the final lightsaber
Speaker 1: duel with Darth Maul and Obi Wan and Quigon. Other
Speaker 1: than that, um, it's pretty stilted and boring and has
Speaker 1: to do about tax taxes, Oh boy, Star war taxes
Speaker 1: a long time ago and far far away taxes. There
Speaker 1: are tax issues tariffs not exciting, and George George Lucas says,
Speaker 1: these films are for kids. Number eight, it's like Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Revenge of the Sith three, that's what the dude had,
Speaker 1: the double sided lightsaber. That was Phantom Menace episode one.
Speaker 1: What's that guy's name, Darth Maul. He got cut in half,
Speaker 1: somehow survived. That's fine. It's Revenge of the Sith and
Speaker 1: again becomes Darth Vader. Everything goes to ship. The Jedi
Speaker 1: are all executed except for Yoda and Obi one. Um,
Speaker 1: it's okay. It has its moments, but overall it's still
Speaker 1: poorly written and directed. My take, are you gonna play
Speaker 1: this the entire time? I'm planning on it? Okay? Um?
Speaker 1: This up the actual listen, do you want me to
Speaker 1: have the second Let me give me a time. Lis've
Speaker 1: been going. We haven't even going for twenty minutes. Okay. Uh.
Speaker 1: The the actual story of the prequels is good. Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you have Chancellor Palpatine working in the shadows as
Speaker 1: Darth Sidious nobody knows is it the sixth Air Rising?
Speaker 1: And he's kind of pulling the strings. When is Samuel L.
Speaker 1: Jackson coming in the Senate. He gets killed in this movie.
Speaker 1: He does, he does. He gets arms chopped off the building,
Speaker 1: Mace windew He gets arms chopped off and then thrown
Speaker 1: out of a building. That seems a little excessive. It
Speaker 1: is very You could just throw him right out of
Speaker 1: the building, let his arms attached, and well he was
Speaker 1: holding a lightsaber with one of those arms, so just
Speaker 1: kind of disarming him. Okay. Number seven Uh, Anyway, the
Speaker 1: story of the prequels is good. They are just poorly executed.
Speaker 1: Number seven Solo a Star Wars story. This is the
Speaker 1: Hans Solo origin film that came out year or two
Speaker 1: ago recently. I saw in theaters, was not very impressed.
Speaker 1: Watched it again the other night. Better than I remembered.
Speaker 1: He has fun. Donald Glover is Lando Um, Donald Glover,
Speaker 1: He's he's fun. Uh. Woody Harrelson plays a like a gangster,
Speaker 1: like a it's it's it's good. It's better than you
Speaker 1: think it is. Number six Force Awakens. This was the first,
Speaker 1: the first sequel movie that came out a few years ago.
Speaker 1: This is the first one with Oh Yeah, Daisy Ridley
Speaker 1: is Ray Adam Driver. It's Kyler Wren, Harrison Ford and
Speaker 1: carry Fisher returning. Yeah, yeah, old Harrison for old Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1: He dies in this one. He is murdered by his son. Um.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of It was a blast after
Speaker 1: the prequels because it just kind of was a nostalgia hit.
Speaker 1: But it just retread everything. There was another death start
Speaker 1: pretty much another random kid on a sand plant. Everybody
Speaker 1: who gets the Force, everybody gets like cut up by
Speaker 1: their father or son. Yeah. See that's it's it's there's
Speaker 1: too much family stuff, which, um, we got enough family issues.
Speaker 1: It's fun, but it doesn't do anything new. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of like you like Star Wars. Here's more of it,
Speaker 1: but it's okay. Number five, Return of the Jedi. This
Speaker 1: is the episode six, the final of the original three films,
Speaker 1: um where Darth Vader fulfills the prophecy and brings balance
Speaker 1: to the Force by murdering the Emperor. Which one is
Speaker 1: the one with the e walks? That's this one? This one? Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: the killer Teddy Bears from the Forest's great. They're fun.
Speaker 1: A lot of people hate on him. They're great again.
Speaker 1: They live in these movies there for children. Number four,
Speaker 1: the Last Jedi. This might be a hot take a
Speaker 1: lot of people thought that this was the most recent
Speaker 1: film that came out. Oh yeah, everyone said that they
Speaker 1: ruined Star Wars because it but listen, they were trying
Speaker 1: new things. And I think that because the Luke Skywalker
Speaker 1: has turned his back on the Jedi, and for good reason.
Speaker 1: He's living on an island. He's living on an island
Speaker 1: by himself with like some weird creatures. Caretakers, caretakers um.
Speaker 1: This film brought in a lot of new ideas that
Speaker 1: had never been talked about in Stars before, Like maybe
Speaker 1: the Jedi aren't that good because they, like the whole
Speaker 1: prequel films are about how they just sat on their
Speaker 1: ass while the Sith like rose to power. The Jedi
Speaker 1: had no idea, and Luke mentioned that this movie it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Jedi actually kind of suck. Yeah, he's switching to
Speaker 1: good point, Luke. Uh, Laura Dern is good, but she's
Speaker 1: kind of out of place in this movie. So it's
Speaker 1: Benicio del Toro. You don't even remember this, do you do.
Speaker 1: He's kind of like a he's like a smuggler, code breaker.
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's just he's a he ends up
Speaker 1: betraying people anyway. Last Jedi overall very it's good. But
Speaker 1: the Luke Kylo Ray stuff is great, the best stuff
Speaker 1: Star Wars has ever done. Number three Rogue One? Whoa
Speaker 1: Rogue One? This is the other anthology movie. This is
Speaker 1: This takes place literally minutes before a New Hope, the
Speaker 1: first Star Wars movie. It's about taking the plans for
Speaker 1: the Death Star and getting them to Princess Leiah so
Speaker 1: she can bring them to the rebellion. Um did you
Speaker 1: see this film? No? Okay, it's very good. It's kind
Speaker 1: of explores the more, kind of like scummy, weird, underground
Speaker 1: Star Wars universe. Um, it's great. There's a really cool
Speaker 1: sequence of Darth Vader at the end that is just
Speaker 1: it gives me chills every time. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: cool because it takes place literally minutes before the first
Speaker 1: film starts. Uh and spoiler alert, everyone dies, which is
Speaker 1: kind of fun. All the main characters. Jeez man, they
Speaker 1: get blown up. It's a game of Thrones. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why do more people got well going into it? You
Speaker 1: know they're all they're all gonna die because they're not
Speaker 1: in any of the other movies, and because you know
Speaker 1: they're toast. But they sacrifice themself for the greater good.
Speaker 1: Number two A New Hope, the first Star Wars movie.
Speaker 1: It's just great. It's just it holds up. It's all
Speaker 1: New Hope. It's all told from the perspective of these
Speaker 1: two weird droids. Um, and it's just you know, it's
Speaker 1: the hero's journey. It's Joseph Joseph Campbell. It's good and evil.
Speaker 1: It's just fun. It's a blast. Hairson Ford brings a
Speaker 1: lot of needed like swagger and coolness to this really weird,
Speaker 1: dumb universe that kind of set the tone for the
Speaker 1: rest of the most movies. Number one Empire Strikes Back.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's great. It's it's it's great. It's cliche,
Speaker 1: but everything about it is perfect. Um. Harrison Ford is
Speaker 1: somehow even cooler in this movie than the first one,
Speaker 1: the you know classic I Am Your Father. Um, it's
Speaker 1: just it's really well shot, cinematography is beautiful, Mark Hamill, Fisher,
Speaker 1: Billy d Williams. Yep. Anyway, that is the official th HC.
Speaker 1: Dark Hannon list of Star Wars ranking of all the
Speaker 1: things I've done to you, this is like your dream
Speaker 1: to have a you want to have like Star Wars
Speaker 1: so how long? How long did that go? That went
Speaker 1: for about ten minutes? I could have easily I mean
Speaker 1: I was rushing, you rushed through it. I could run
Speaker 1: under a way that more detail. For those of you
Speaker 1: that are still with us, uh, welcome back to the
Speaker 1: Honey Collective. That was Dr Phil's Medicine Woman's top ten list.
Speaker 1: Um right in with your thoughts about that. Uh, listen,
Speaker 1: I can change my mind about this in five minutes.
Speaker 1: But also it's cannon and it's irrefutable, so don't even
Speaker 1: don't even don't refute Phil's top This is the list
Speaker 1: of ten. Empire strikes back number one. If you have
Speaker 1: a different opinion, it's wrong. This is the right one.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Internet. That's how that's how it goes
Speaker 1: here on the internet. Okay, Phil, you did a great job.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. You have lived your dream. You
Speaker 1: want to have a Star Wars podcast, don't you? Not necessarily?
Speaker 1: I just maybe like you want to talk about not
Speaker 1: like a multi episode podcast. Well, thank you to everyone
Speaker 1: listening for giving Phil his dream, Phil Mango, the whole family.
Speaker 1: Thanks you. You seem defeated. You seem deflated right now.
Speaker 1: You seem like you regret every decision that led to
Speaker 1: this moment. I don't. That was not believable. That like
Speaker 1: every time you're like, yeah, I love just be on
Speaker 1: this show. All right? Moving on that great? Thanks Phil,
Speaker 1: that was one of the best times ever. You're welcome. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone is still on board. Thanks, So we're
Speaker 1: gonna move on. Do you have any um Britain like
Speaker 1: sound effects, like maybe a song that speaks to the
Speaker 1: United Kingdom? What's the when they play when the queen
Speaker 1: Boks in the room? Pay one play that. Now we're
Speaker 1: gonna do a little international portion of the show and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to our talk with Mark Kenyon on
Speaker 1: the back forty about the back forty before that, we've
Speaker 1: got a couple of really good emails from people living
Speaker 1: over Yonder. The first one it's entitled how Lucky you Are?
Speaker 1: And this one struck me. It's a long one so
Speaker 1: I won't read it all. But this guy's names John.
Speaker 1: He lives in the UK and he's got some perspective
Speaker 1: for us. Um, I'm from the UK and over here
Speaker 1: are our model of hunting is extremely different. We have
Speaker 1: no public lands, we were able to hunt, We're not
Speaker 1: able to hunt with a bow at all. Almost everything
Speaker 1: land wise is private and require people to pay the
Speaker 1: odds just for the experience of a rifle hunt. At
Speaker 1: the very least, we are a nation that has almost
Speaker 1: but forgotten our rich hunting heritage, and there are absolutely
Speaker 1: no predators to keep the spiraling deer populations and check
Speaker 1: other than us. The issue is always finding permission to
Speaker 1: use any of the private land to hunt on. It's
Speaker 1: ridiculously difficult. Our country is currently looking at banning all
Speaker 1: trophy imports and this could spill over into importing harvested meat,
Speaker 1: making international trips where hunting is supported almost worthless too.
Speaker 1: I personally don't condone hunting animals for sport. I yearned
Speaker 1: a hunt for me, for food and to provide my
Speaker 1: family and do Due to misinformation and the rise of
Speaker 1: social media outrage, small pockets of people are controlling how
Speaker 1: hunters are perceived in the media and viewed by those
Speaker 1: who maybe have no opinion. Fox hunting is flashpoint for
Speaker 1: our anti hunters, but this year our government and a
Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction to a very very few local folks
Speaker 1: have even stop the hunting of wood pigeons and Corvid's
Speaker 1: for a time. Two birds that decimate crops and lambs
Speaker 1: we can fish, but unless you're on the coast or
Speaker 1: in the mountains of Scotland, it's probably best you don't
Speaker 1: eat them due to the very bad river pollution. We
Speaker 1: can hunt ducks, pheasants and goose, along with other smaller
Speaker 1: wild game again if you can get the seemingly unattainable permission.
Speaker 1: If you do manage to hunt these game birds, there
Speaker 1: are animal rights groups that actively head out to sabotage
Speaker 1: your day and stop your hunts. Hunting for food is alien.
Speaker 1: Hunting for conservation is an unspoken subject, and as I've
Speaker 1: learned more hunting about hunting, it makes me feel frustrated,
Speaker 1: restricted and totally hollow. We are pretty much a nation
Speaker 1: of supermarket users. Our children have no idea where their
Speaker 1: food comes from, and what small amount of hunting culture
Speaker 1: we have is severely under threat, and regardless of what
Speaker 1: type of hunting you for take in, you are demonized.
Speaker 1: Regardless of any hunting issues you may come to face
Speaker 1: in the u S. Please always remember how lucky you
Speaker 1: are and that you have a system that supports you.
Speaker 1: For the most part. In this solemn story, you can
Speaker 1: you can hunt our native deer here in the UK
Speaker 1: if you're willing to pay. Of course, some places are
Speaker 1: more reasonable price wise, so it's possible to fill the freezer.
Speaker 1: So it's not all doom and gloom. Kindness regards John.
Speaker 1: That's that's it's a lot of doom and gloom though,
Speaker 1: say I just felt in reading that. We feel as
Speaker 1: though we had a podcast recently a lot of people
Speaker 1: wrote in about Clay Nucom's feeling that we shouldn't give
Speaker 1: an inch, right, we shouldn't give anything anything up to
Speaker 1: this shifting culture. We should we should hold the ground.
Speaker 1: What was his term, guard the gate? Guard the gate,
Speaker 1: We should guard the gate. Now, if you want to
Speaker 1: find a good argument for guarding the gate, this would
Speaker 1: be one of them. Now, there's a lot of different
Speaker 1: things happening within the culture of Britain, the UK, Scotland,
Speaker 1: the British ailes in total. But this just tells you
Speaker 1: there's there's one guy over there's feeling real, real depressed
Speaker 1: about it, Phil real depressed about it. So good perspective
Speaker 1: for all of us who enjoy our hunting heritage here
Speaker 1: in the United States, Oh America. Now moving on to Scotland,
Speaker 1: back in episode what the hell ever? Number maybe eighty
Speaker 1: five was whiskey and ethics l eighty four, eighty four
Speaker 1: was whisky and ethics doesn't really matter. In episode eighty four,
Speaker 1: we'll call it we did a whiskey and ethics on
Speaker 1: the gripping granted in that we talked about a young
Speaker 1: lady who went to Scotland um shot some animals and
Speaker 1: stirred up an outrage. Uh Ian Henderson wrote in from
Speaker 1: over There, he's a Scott living in the US, and
Speaker 1: he wanted to help paint the picture of why Scotland
Speaker 1: hated this young lady and why the backlash occurred. He said,
Speaker 1: I feel that Steve talking about Steve Rinella totally missed
Speaker 1: the culture points related to why the lady who shot
Speaker 1: the goat got such a backlash in Skytle. It's not
Speaker 1: just because she was wearing a tweed suit. Scott's love
Speaker 1: fairness and hard work. They hate elitists. If someone spends
Speaker 1: a bunch of money to pay someone to do their
Speaker 1: dirty work, if they don't need to work hard and
Speaker 1: they somehow look clean when everyone else is dirty and wet,
Speaker 1: they're going to be labeled as a twat, a tube,
Speaker 1: a wanker, a ball bag, or some other creative insults.
Speaker 1: I can think of one that I thought. I thought
Speaker 1: you were filling in that game. No I was not.
Speaker 1: He this is I'm still reading from got it, just
Speaker 1: reading from it, he said, Let me paint a picture
Speaker 1: of the American equivalent scenario and see how you might feel.
Speaker 1: Chester Framingham the third is a wealthy stockbroker from New
Speaker 1: York City. He flies to a high fence operation in
Speaker 1: Texas and ghost hunting. This particular high fence operation is small,
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred acres at most. It has a
Speaker 1: lot of easements across it, so the animals are highly
Speaker 1: habituated to people. He chooses Texas because it's quaint and authentic.
Speaker 1: He has paid a hundred thousand dollars for this hunt
Speaker 1: and lets everyone know about it. He's dressed from head
Speaker 1: to toe in Patagonia gear in various pastel shades. He
Speaker 1: uses a four h and h double rifle to kill
Speaker 1: a steer from twenty five yards. Chester poses for his photos.
Speaker 1: Chester likes to kill stuff for fun, and they don't
Speaker 1: have cows in New York City. Chester is sparkling clean
Speaker 1: despite their being a tornado and driving rain. Everyone nearby
Speaker 1: is cold, wet, and wind blown, but Chester the Third
Speaker 1: and his people keep him out of the elements so
Speaker 1: he looks perfect for the photo. He leaves the cow
Speaker 1: to the ranch owner to clean up. That won't fit
Speaker 1: in his private jet, and New York won't allow the
Speaker 1: meat to be imported anyway. Nothing illegal or necessarily an
Speaker 1: ethical about Chester's hunt. The cow was soon to be
Speaker 1: slaughtered anyway, and died extremely quickly. But everything about that
Speaker 1: seems out of place, elitist and frankly, you're thinking Chester
Speaker 1: framed in the third is a prick. I'm all right?
Speaker 1: Is still still read an email checking in on that.
Speaker 1: Hunting is already a highly elite activity in the United
Speaker 1: Kingdom due to the nature of private property and game laws.
Speaker 1: On top of that, right to rome and the small
Speaker 1: size of the property, combined with almost zero hunter pressure
Speaker 1: means wild isn't what you think it is, and isn't
Speaker 1: an American. All that baggage and context was piled onto
Speaker 1: the grip and Grind controversy. It was about a rich
Speaker 1: foreign asshole abusing the privilege, wasting meat and killing for fun.
Speaker 1: It was little to do with hunting, whether the meat
Speaker 1: was ultimately waste. It doesn't matter. It was clear she
Speaker 1: wasn't eating it at all. She was killing more than
Speaker 1: she needed. She was a local lass and a wool sweater,
Speaker 1: grimly cutting the throat of a lamb for Sunday lunch
Speaker 1: with no joy or fanfare. Then no controversy would have
Speaker 1: been had. Also, it's pronounced ila. The s and the
Speaker 1: y in Ila are silent cheers like that little jab
Speaker 1: at the end. Now, if you want to go back
Speaker 1: and listen to our conversation, we did talk about the
Speaker 1: young lady that went over to Scotland and created this
Speaker 1: by killing a goat on the island that obviously routes
Speaker 1: people up. And so when I read that on our
Speaker 1: first it's extremely well written, So thank you for that. Ian.
Speaker 1: I will remember our our new friend Chester Framington's third
Speaker 1: as long as I might live. So it's good to
Speaker 1: have some real perspective, uh well written perspective from the
Speaker 1: folks over there. So thanks to our international contingent Phil
Speaker 1: play the music, uh the UK music. I like that
Speaker 1: you bookend every do. I just kinda do it at
Speaker 1: the beginning and the end. That's it. If that's my
Speaker 1: new strategy, it seems to be working. People are into
Speaker 1: it maybe, so that's it. I got a lot of
Speaker 1: other emails that came in from a lot of other
Speaker 1: very uh smart individuals that listen to the show. So
Speaker 1: thank you. I enjoy the discourse. I enjoy reading what
Speaker 1: you have to say. It's a big part of why
Speaker 1: I do this. UM. Even though the social media contings
Speaker 1: you can sometimes be a little bit, how we say,
Speaker 1: dick ish, the emails that come into TC at the
Speaker 1: meetator dot com are always enlightening and always well crafted.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for that. It makes this
Speaker 1: a lot easier, makes it worth and so we'll keep
Speaker 1: reading those, keep sending the th HC at the meat
Speaker 1: Eator dot com. T HC at the meat Eator dot
Speaker 1: com feeling good, philm being great. Let's see one more
Speaker 1: thing before we go to the back for you, speaking
Speaker 1: of social media dick ishness, I feel I need to
Speaker 1: address something quickly, and we'll do it quickly. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people saying out there on the internet. I've
Speaker 1: read a few people saying and then I've had a
Speaker 1: couple of people mentioned this to me that it has
Speaker 1: been UM. It has been positive that I and one
Speaker 1: guy wrote swinging on the nuts of Stephen Ronnella, swinging
Speaker 1: on the nuts Stephen Ronella, riding the coattails what other
Speaker 1: things that people say, Um, whatever, we got it, we
Speaker 1: got it drafting Steven. A lot of people saying that,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a little bit, that's a kind
Speaker 1: of a pot shot, bullshit way of ah high school insults,
Speaker 1: And I get it. That's what the internet it's all about.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you. But here's what I'll say to you.
Speaker 1: I joined a company run by Stephen Rinella, moved my
Speaker 1: family to Bozeman, Montana to follow his ideas and his company,
Speaker 1: and so absolutely I'm riding his coattails that, there's no
Speaker 1: doubt about that, Like, that's part of this company. We
Speaker 1: wanted to come together under his leadership and under the
Speaker 1: idea that Meat Eater could be more than just Steve
Speaker 1: and would be more than just Steve. So for those
Speaker 1: of you that are leveling that criticism, I hear you,
Speaker 1: and you're wrong. Well, actually I hear you, and you're right.
Speaker 1: You're right, but for the wrong reason, right, but for
Speaker 1: the wrong reasons. I absolutely am riding his coattails. And
Speaker 1: I was very clear about that in the beginning, and
Speaker 1: so I will be clear again that I absolutely am
Speaker 1: looking forward to continually riding the coattails of what he
Speaker 1: created with our company, making it better, expanding it, and
Speaker 1: expanding the ideas and what we stand for. So I'll
Speaker 1: just address that there in case you were wondering, in
Speaker 1: case you were leveling those high school bully type of
Speaker 1: bullshit insults. You keep doing it, but just know that
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and so take that for what
Speaker 1: it is. Now we're going to the back forty enjoy.
Speaker 1: I guess I grew up on an older road. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're here in mark, kenyans in laws camper. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: it's a unique environment. I find you. You keep acting
Speaker 1: like this is some bizarre thing. I no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not acting. It's four dudes, one camper. It's turned out
Speaker 1: to ye, it's about after this releases four dudes, one camper.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, it's it's fine, there's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with it. I just find that it's nice. It's nice
Speaker 1: to make light of sleeping in your in laws camper.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Tim and Lisa what's your last name? Bernst Bernstein,
Speaker 1: very very letting you racious of them borrow the sun
Speaker 1: Dance camper. Right, campers underselling it's a big fifth wheel.
Speaker 1: It's big. I think I think Bend is maybe just
Speaker 1: a little jaded towards it because of a sleeping arrangement
Speaker 1: the last couple of nights. Let me describe. We're here
Speaker 1: on the back forty. Uh. If you watch the show
Speaker 1: or listen to this podcast, you may hear the sounds
Speaker 1: of cars drive by. It's very annoying to me. There's
Speaker 1: a road right where we sleep on the back forty,
Speaker 1: and there's this is like a rule. There's like four
Speaker 1: houses on this whole road, and then it's like the
Speaker 1: belt way out there. People tear through it. What's going on? Mark,
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. You don't have no answer, all right,
Speaker 1: but people definitely use a lot more than you'd expect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if you've watched the show and you hear, wow,
Speaker 1: that's what's going down. If you're here to here too.
Speaker 1: But the back forty provides it? Does? It's sure? Ship does? Um?
Speaker 1: Tim and Lisa gave you this fifth wheel camper and
Speaker 1: it has you know, you give me a tour of it.
Speaker 1: But it has a bedroom which you as like a
Speaker 1: king bed. Is that a temper. It's a full size bed,
Speaker 1: a full size bed, same size as your mattress. Is
Speaker 1: it temperate, We'll get to that. It's definitely. It's not tempting,
Speaker 1: but it's very comfortable. It's gotta quilt that's and then
Speaker 1: you sleep there. It's kind of like like the Master
Speaker 1: Sweet and does the Master Sweet and uh. Attached to
Speaker 1: that is the bathroom, Yes, which tends to get when
Speaker 1: you turn the furnace on, gets hot. Hot box, the
Speaker 1: hot the hot air pipes in the rooms were pooped
Speaker 1: in just a hot room. This eth it. And then
Speaker 1: when you're done pooping, what do you do? Mark? What's
Speaker 1: the process? Well, because we're out here and it's very cold, Um,
Speaker 1: we can't have you know, the plumbing working in a
Speaker 1: camper like this right now, so we have to flush
Speaker 1: the toilet with a jug of anti freeze. So we've
Speaker 1: just got a black tank on the camper that's full
Speaker 1: of our stuff and anti freeze keep it from freezing up. Nice. Nice,
Speaker 1: You've never you've not lived until you've woken up in
Speaker 1: the morning to the smell of human feces and anti freeze.
Speaker 1: Just heat it up like a hot pocket. Yes, the
Speaker 1: Sweet Sweet smell of November. So but we're here. We're
Speaker 1: here also with with Hunter, who just woke up from
Speaker 1: a nap. Hey, Hunter, Hey, how's it going? Just woke up? Sleep,
Speaker 1: creezes still fresh in his face, very fresh. We'll make
Speaker 1: lots of moaning noises. And then we have Jordan's Hello.
Speaker 1: They're both with Captured Creative, the creative element behind the
Speaker 1: back forty all the wonderful filming, the wonderful editing, the
Speaker 1: music at tension, the resolution, the conflict, all of that.
Speaker 1: It's all these guys. It's all Jordan's Hunter and Taylor Taylor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to Taylor's back. Probably right now, just in
Speaker 1: a dark room with headphones on, listening to market. So anyway, continue.
Speaker 1: There's a nice little kitchen at here, a little stove,
Speaker 1: a microwave is in a freezer, all very nicely adorned.
Speaker 1: There's a little table. We're sitting at a little table
Speaker 1: um where Jordan's would sleep. The table turns into a bed,
Speaker 1: very short bed. It's the shortest bed I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Can't stretch out. The bed is about four and a
Speaker 1: half feet long. Very it's long. It's very compact. How
Speaker 1: have you been doing that? Do you sleep diagonally or
Speaker 1: do you curl? No, well, yeah, diagonally, but I end
Speaker 1: up curling because okay, so it's not perfectly like a
Speaker 1: child anyway. That's where Jordan's sleeps. Uh. And then if
Speaker 1: you go over to the other side of the fifth wheel,
Speaker 1: there's a nice uh it looks like it was it
Speaker 1: a couch that turns into a blow up bed. That's
Speaker 1: where Connor was just sleeping. He's woken up still a
Speaker 1: bit groggy apparently. Apparently it's pretty comfy. It's comfy apparently.
Speaker 1: And then that's that's all the beds that this comes with.
Speaker 1: But there's one extra person. That's me, the last person
Speaker 1: to show up. Last person to show up. I slept
Speaker 1: on an air mattress purchased at probably Walmart. I think
Speaker 1: it probably was probably Royal Wall and we'll get get
Speaker 1: to that soon. I slept on it the first night.
Speaker 1: I blew it up and I had a little sleeping
Speaker 1: bag and a couple of pillows. It was actually really comfortable.
Speaker 1: Problem is the furnace. Event for the furnace is that
Speaker 1: basically my level when I lay down on the ground.
Speaker 1: The other problem with that is that there was a
Speaker 1: hole in the air mattress somewhere that we've got to determine.
Speaker 1: So my wife told me that she thinks that it
Speaker 1: is used your air. She says she was having this
Speaker 1: issue and there's two valves and she wasn't closing one
Speaker 1: of them. There's two of them, yeah, the other I
Speaker 1: know it. I trust me, sure, trust me. I'm not sure. No,
Speaker 1: that is there's no way to be a hunter. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sleeping on it tonight, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: fiddle with it some more. It'll probably, I'm sure, but
Speaker 1: I there is two valves, right, There's a main valve
Speaker 1: and then little cap that screws in. So I was
Speaker 1: screwing both those in and clicking them in slowly, I
Speaker 1: mean slowly. I would go to sleep with a full
Speaker 1: air mattress, just pretty comfortable and then warm from the furnace,
Speaker 1: like it was going to sleep in a very comfortable position,
Speaker 1: and I would wake up like I was in some
Speaker 1: kind of burrito or something of sadness with this like
Speaker 1: deflated now air mattress, and then I would be it
Speaker 1: would be like a hundred degrees on the floor, so
Speaker 1: I'd be just sweaty and I'd be laying basically laying
Speaker 1: at this point on the Lenolian floor of the kitchen.
Speaker 1: It was struggling. This stands, yeah, help me understand it.
Speaker 1: What rate this is happening? So what time do you
Speaker 1: wake up in this state of affairs? Well, I'm so tired,
Speaker 1: I'm so tired from this hunting that we do that
Speaker 1: I don't really know. It would be like three in
Speaker 1: the morning, probably going to be the first time I
Speaker 1: went to bed at midnight, woke up at three, and
Speaker 1: I was completely on the floor covered in sweat. So
Speaker 1: I was trying to like you ever seen the ace
Speaker 1: Ventura or he's trying to crawl out of the rhino.
Speaker 1: It's kind of what I was like, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I was like, Jordan knows exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It was like that. And then the second morning was
Speaker 1: basically the same. I had confidence every time it must
Speaker 1: be a user air. If I just fiddle with this valve,
Speaker 1: if I just turned this valve with all my might
Speaker 1: and I talked to it and I tell it to
Speaker 1: not let any air out, it'll be fine. Each night
Speaker 1: though the best part wasn't it didn't deflate like completely.
Speaker 1: There was like a depression where you were. So it's
Speaker 1: just enough to make a struggle to get outside. It
Speaker 1: was like the han Ever, it's like the saddest hammock ever,
Speaker 1: as as are you doing all right? Hunter? You wake it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting there. You're getting there. He's feeling it. That
Speaker 1: gets me to like, so I somehow I'm up in
Speaker 1: chipper and I'm having back problems probably for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. You need coffee. I do need coffee,
Speaker 1: but I don't drink it, never had it. I don't
Speaker 1: even care. I'm just gonna keep on, keep on pushing
Speaker 1: it though. All right, Well, the point of this podcast
Speaker 1: was not to make fun or point fingers at any
Speaker 1: kind of air, mattress or camper. But we're gonna go
Speaker 1: back in time and tell the whole story. I have
Speaker 1: a property called the Back forty and as a de side,
Speaker 1: you can hear the furnaces turned on in the fifth wheel.
Speaker 1: You can imagine if hopefully you can hear that, I
Speaker 1: hope that's audible. That's air that would have been blowing
Speaker 1: on me each night and sweating me out my sleeping bag.
Speaker 1: Good thing. It was a fifteen degree bag and it
Speaker 1: wasn't like a negative degree bag. Well, the first night
Speaker 1: we didn't run the furnace in that fifteen degree bag
Speaker 1: or zero to green bag would have come in handy
Speaker 1: because it's pretty cold. Hunter forgot to bring a sleeping bag,
Speaker 1: so he just tried to find every blank he could
Speaker 1: find and up into a ball and hibernated underneath it
Speaker 1: as best as could. Yeah, I mean, we're four men
Speaker 1: who have not showered in some time, we have very
Speaker 1: little sleep, and we've been eating all kinds of like
Speaker 1: just terrible foods. It says it's it's tough out here.
Speaker 1: It's the rut, it's tough out here at the back forty.
Speaker 1: It's no joke. Back forty is a me as I
Speaker 1: said one time. Um, so we gotta go back and
Speaker 1: tell the whole story the back forty because if you
Speaker 1: don't know what the back forty is, you're missing out.
Speaker 1: So stop now. You're not allowed to go any further
Speaker 1: than this podcast. Until you stop. You go to the
Speaker 1: Mediator YouTube and you watch all the episodes. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be three episodes. I believe four episodes will be up
Speaker 1: in live by the time This Coast live, So there's
Speaker 1: four episodes for your viewing. Pleasure that we're uh that
Speaker 1: feature Mark Kenyon, Steve Nnelly, Ones tell us myself and
Speaker 1: a fellow named Luke McCauley in the latest episode over
Speaker 1: there at the meeting. YouTube's edited and filmed by Capture Creative.
Speaker 1: We're joined by yes, Yes, and here we all are.
Speaker 1: Here we are, and so you go over there and
Speaker 1: you watch. Uh. Briefly, Mark described the Back forty project
Speaker 1: as it stands right now. So the Back forty is
Speaker 1: a project in which we have sought out and then
Speaker 1: purchased a small piece of land in Michigan, and our
Speaker 1: goal for that piece of property is to learn about
Speaker 1: this piece of land, learn about private land conservation, learn
Speaker 1: about how you can manage a property like that for biodiversity,
Speaker 1: for wildlife, plant life, native species, all these things, and
Speaker 1: trying to figure out can you do that which entails
Speaker 1: a whole lot and also manage it for and enjoy
Speaker 1: great hunting. Um. There's a whole lot of folks out
Speaker 1: there that talk about how to find a property or
Speaker 1: how to hunt a property, but there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: less that dive into trying to balance those two things
Speaker 1: and what you can learn along the way. So that's
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. So that's a back for it.
Speaker 1: It's a big project from either who ever thought a
Speaker 1: company that you worked for by a property for you
Speaker 1: to manage? Mark Kenyon, did you ever believe it to
Speaker 1: be true? Uh? No, I would have never guessed it,
Speaker 1: imagined it ahead of time. Um. But it was an
Speaker 1: exciting thing, big, big undertaking, exciting opportunity, fun challenge, stressful challenge,
Speaker 1: scary times. Yeah, I want to get a phone call
Speaker 1: from Ben at eleven o'clock at night or something like,
Speaker 1: oh no, what has happening now? What has gone wrong?
Speaker 1: So attached to the back forty is a contest that
Speaker 1: you've probably heard about here on the show sometimes, and
Speaker 1: that is a contest where you can go right now
Speaker 1: to the Meteor dot com slashback forty and enter to
Speaker 1: win a hunt with Steve and Ronella. You'll know that
Speaker 1: guy and then also Mark here on the back forty
Speaker 1: next November. So if you already stopped, and you wouldn't
Speaker 1: you watch all for those episodes, stop again and go
Speaker 1: to the media dot Com find that enter the wind page,
Speaker 1: fill out all the details. An enter to win will
Speaker 1: pause to make sure you've done it, and you don't
Speaker 1: just win the hunt. We're also gearing you up right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna gear you up. We're gonna give you stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's not about stuff. It's about experiences, not about commercialism.
Speaker 1: Parent meat eater, Peter whiskey. I knew something like that
Speaker 1: was coming. Meet whisky. We actually have some meetor whiskey
Speaker 1: over there. We should get it out in the corn.
Speaker 1: Go get some hunter that will stretch your stretch your
Speaker 1: bones out. Take your headphones off, don't fall over. They
Speaker 1: do work you. Just these ones. You can't hear yourself,
Speaker 1: but we can hear you. Oh nice, all right, we
Speaker 1: got some Metator whiskey here. We'll break that out while
Speaker 1: we're while we're filming. Do you want to get class
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, we should get glad. We're just passed
Speaker 1: the bottle around. It's like this is a fine bourbon whiskey.
Speaker 1: We can't drink it out of the bottle. Yeah, shot class,
Speaker 1: that would be nice. I'll tell you what we're celebrating
Speaker 1: when Hunter gets the glasses over here. We're celebrating the
Speaker 1: end of an episode, but also the end of the
Speaker 1: life of the Wide eight, the Wide eight, Goodbye Wide eight.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that later. This is like a
Speaker 1: non linear podcast where you love those kind of stories.
Speaker 1: I love non linear stories. This mark I can tell you.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the back forty when do we? When do
Speaker 1: we first like convinced the powers that be at Meat
Speaker 1: Eater that this was a good idea. Well, I was
Speaker 1: starting to pitch it internally in folks last November one
Speaker 1: year ago, I was pitching it to some folks and
Speaker 1: there was some interest in it. And then by December
Speaker 1: we were talking to more people, and by January was
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, this is something we think we
Speaker 1: should do. And I think by February I was on
Speaker 1: the search trying to find a piece of ground. And
Speaker 1: that's actually I feel. How long was that two months
Speaker 1: that you were looking for? The two months give or
Speaker 1: take three? Yeah, just three. I'll take a drink out
Speaker 1: of the bottle. All right, we got shots, all right,
Speaker 1: just three of us. Okay, cheers, cheers with the with
Speaker 1: the cheers with your thing. Cheers boys taking a shot
Speaker 1: of meatia or whiskey here live on the show. I
Speaker 1: haven't tried. I haven't tried to punging a roma, hot stings, stings,
Speaker 1: the nostrils. It's got I think it's got bits of
Speaker 1: real elk one side. Oh bam, this is uh, that'll
Speaker 1: do it. Alcohol by vall shop out of your naprol.
Speaker 1: Good hunt. It's gonna put me back too bad Meatia
Speaker 1: straper will see pear as well with just about anything,
Speaker 1: but we prefer it with freshly prepared wild game. There
Speaker 1: you go, or in a trailer with your friends. Either
Speaker 1: that's let's I don't get us going feeling good? Hunter?
Speaker 1: You wake now? Yeah, you're still working those sleep creases
Speaker 1: pretty good. I like it. I like what you're bringing
Speaker 1: to the table. A's far you. I haven't said much,
Speaker 1: but what you said is impactful. Well you gave me
Speaker 1: like a whole twenty seconds to prepare. Yeah, that's all right,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Marks getting his social doing this
Speaker 1: social media anyway, back to the story of the back forty.
Speaker 1: Mark had this idea that we would buy a property, right, so, uh,
Speaker 1: we did buy a property, which I was always shocked
Speaker 1: at because I've been in the industry a while and
Speaker 1: I've always thought every place i've been I've made a
Speaker 1: suggestion like, hey, how about we buy a hunting property
Speaker 1: and I'll help you with it, hunt it, and it'll
Speaker 1: be like ours together corporation. And the corporation never said
Speaker 1: yes until Stephen Ronnella gave us the thumbs up to
Speaker 1: do this. But but he had some very strict, what
Speaker 1: I would say is very strict stipulations Mark about doing this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was. It was a good h
Speaker 1: balance at it was just good and put. It was
Speaker 1: good and put to help make sure that we were
Speaker 1: looking at this thing from the big picture, which was
Speaker 1: make sure this isn't just about big bucks and deer hunting.
Speaker 1: Mark him talking about me, he knows I'm really into
Speaker 1: white tail hunting. I get excited about chasing those big
Speaker 1: old bucks, which is great. A lot of people are
Speaker 1: interested in that. But there's also a lot more going on.
Speaker 1: And we wanted to take a unique look at this place.
Speaker 1: So how can we tell the story of a small
Speaker 1: property and hunting a small property, but also look at
Speaker 1: what else is going on out there, the birds and
Speaker 1: the bees and the small mammals and watersheds, turkeys and
Speaker 1: all the things going on on these places. How do
Speaker 1: we tell that story too? And Uh, And that was
Speaker 1: kind of the impetus for making the back forty what
Speaker 1: it is, which is not just another deer hunting show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think behind the scenes wise, it came down to
Speaker 1: we we decided to buy the property, and we had
Speaker 1: purchased the property right we You had said, I got
Speaker 1: this property, here's what it looks like, and we all
Speaker 1: talked about it and we said, hey, we dig it.
Speaker 1: But I think I want to say that Steve talked
Speaker 1: to his brother Matt Ronella about the idea, and I
Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna buy this property. We're gonna hunt
Speaker 1: it for white tails, we're gonna film and make content,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna give the property away. We're gonna
Speaker 1: a hunt away, but also at the very end of
Speaker 1: the whole thing, give away the properties some lucky meat
Speaker 1: eater fan, audience member, whatever. We're gonna give it away
Speaker 1: to something like the idea was, we're just going to
Speaker 1: give it away. Right. We hadn't decided on and still
Speaker 1: really haven't decided on what exactly we're gonna do, but
Speaker 1: we know we're gonna we'ren do it this year and
Speaker 1: next year and give it away. That's the plan of
Speaker 1: it stands right now. You can't hold us to that
Speaker 1: because we might change tomorrow. But that's that's what we
Speaker 1: had talked about. And matt Ronelle came back and said, well, listen,
Speaker 1: don't be everyone else be meat eater and talked to
Speaker 1: Steve about it, and they and See came back and
Speaker 1: they at hatched some ideas about it. And I remember
Speaker 1: thinking how challenging it would be to both film a
Speaker 1: show around a concept of deer hunting but also a
Speaker 1: concept of like the greater ecosystem that it's a part of,
Speaker 1: and then that marries up into the private lands portion
Speaker 1: of the conversation, and on and on we go. I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, oh my god, that's gonna be tough, um,
Speaker 1: you know, to to put together. And it it turns
Speaker 1: out I was right, it is tough to put together.
Speaker 1: And that's where I think, uh, capture creative comes in.
Speaker 1: We you know, to take you a little bit further
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. We don't like to talk about this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but it is part of the story.
Speaker 1: We bought the property in what month, closed at the
Speaker 1: very end of April, right, so marketized conversation and I'm
Speaker 1: you know, helping lead the project marks of course the
Speaker 1: center point of it. Ah, We're like, yeah, let's get started,
Speaker 1: start filming. We're just gonna go. Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1: We gotta do stuff. We've run that time. If there
Speaker 1: was anything done, we wait, we don't have any money
Speaker 1: for this, no budget, no plan, no nothing, no content,
Speaker 1: business plan, nobody to document it. So we were ready
Speaker 1: to go. It turns out we were way off because
Speaker 1: it took us a while to get things lined up
Speaker 1: and in the biggest thing was just getting everybody a
Speaker 1: line on what we had to do, what we wanted
Speaker 1: to do, what we felt like was necessary. Right. So
Speaker 1: once we all got a line that had to be
Speaker 1: about biodiversity, it had to be about everything, not just
Speaker 1: bucks um. Then we set about like making a plan
Speaker 1: to make the content right. And so that's where we
Speaker 1: hatched the idea of seasonal episodes, which you've watched. Hopefully
Speaker 1: you've watched four. If you haven't stopped, now welcome back.
Speaker 1: You've now watched four episodes of the back forty. That's
Speaker 1: what we had planned to do about that more. Yeah, Mark,
Speaker 1: it's good, we'll get to that mark because we'll get
Speaker 1: to that. We got a long way to go after
Speaker 1: they just watched those four ms. Yeah, you've now watched
Speaker 1: all four episodes. Wait, we'll wait, go back and watch
Speaker 1: them again. Wait, okay, welcome back for the second time.
Speaker 1: You've now watched about an hour of Mark Kenyon floundering
Speaker 1: about the back already doing everything. But then you know,
Speaker 1: so we had those challenges. We had have meetings and
Speaker 1: meetings and talk and talk and talk. It's a big
Speaker 1: project for a company like ours, so you know, in
Speaker 1: efforts to just kind of give you guys all behind
Speaker 1: the scenes of how this content comes to be, we
Speaker 1: had a lot of stress. Like Mark and I had
Speaker 1: a lot of conversations about like, what is going on.
Speaker 1: We're never going to do this. We bought this property
Speaker 1: and it is sitting. It's sitting, and it's useless until
Speaker 1: we can actually make all moves on. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: not as if we just bought a place and then
Speaker 1: just start going doing on things and then someone's gonna
Speaker 1: foll around and record everything and then just magically happens.
Speaker 1: There's a whole planning and writing and thinking and debating
Speaker 1: and changing and how many power point presentations do we
Speaker 1: make focus a bunch of power points ten thousand word documents.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times plans and episodes
Speaker 1: and many plans, so many treatments, so many everything. But
Speaker 1: we want to do this right. We want to do
Speaker 1: this the met either way, and that's where we are.
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of market I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time on the phone in July going like, um,
Speaker 1: what we've got nothing done two and a half months
Speaker 1: after we bought the property, and we have done all
Speaker 1: of nothing, not for like a trying, no, certainly trying,
Speaker 1: just all these logistical things. Yeah, I mean, we finally
Speaker 1: marshal the resources, which is a big undertaking, and we
Speaker 1: finally got a plan for what we wanted to do.
Speaker 1: And then we've we called Jordan and Taylor Captured Creative
Speaker 1: and they said, oh my god, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: That is a terrible idea. No one will ever be
Speaker 1: able to do that word for word for word for word.
Speaker 1: But we convinced, eventually convinced them that our insanity was
Speaker 1: worth their work. Um, which couldn't have done it without
Speaker 1: them to this point or at any point. And what
Speaker 1: it was like the end of July, early August, by
Speaker 1: the time we had we had figured all of it
Speaker 1: out and got everything aligned, and that by that time,
Speaker 1: anybody who manages their properties for any for any part
Speaker 1: of wildlife, let alone dear knows that August is the
Speaker 1: time where you're normally just making your little refinements, little changes,
Speaker 1: maybe a hinge cut this, maybe oh little late season,
Speaker 1: we'll put some book forward. Judge right there, you do
Speaker 1: you let you do your your fall food plots, if
Speaker 1: you're into that kind of thing. That's auguste checking trail cameras,
Speaker 1: we were like, oh crap, what can we do between
Speaker 1: now in the beginning of of deer season, which is
Speaker 1: two months away, to get things where they need to be.
Speaker 1: And that's where Georgian commanded Jordan, you can just tell
Speaker 1: us very quickly what you thought about this whole idea
Speaker 1: when we first gave it, when we first ran it
Speaker 1: by you, Yeah, that was be honest, there was a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, we so we come from like a white
Speaker 1: tail hunting background, both Taylor and I so it was
Speaker 1: a super relatable project for us. But also, I mean
Speaker 1: we were a two man team at that point, and
Speaker 1: usually our fall is pretty solidified by end of spring,
Speaker 1: like May, we're pretty much like, yeah, we've got a
Speaker 1: lot to do this fall. Luckily, last spring we reached
Speaker 1: out to hunter just trying to kind of branching out,
Speaker 1: you know, if we need if we would have needed help,
Speaker 1: or you know, just kind of growing, growing what we
Speaker 1: were doing, and you know, kind of let it rest.
Speaker 1: We kind of kept in kept in contact with him
Speaker 1: for a little bit there, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the middle of July got there and we're like, yeah, Howter,
Speaker 1: We're gonna need you a whole bunch in the next
Speaker 1: few months. What are you doing? What are you doing
Speaker 1: for say, the rest of the year. Yes, what are
Speaker 1: you busy? And Hunter? What did you think when you
Speaker 1: first heard about this idea that is the back forty
Speaker 1: Oh uh, I mean it seemed like a lot to
Speaker 1: do in a short amount of time. But filling up
Speaker 1: the shot glasses again, I mean right, Mark, it sounds
Speaker 1: like a great idea from the get go. You were
Speaker 1: totally into it. Oh yeah, Like I'm I'm a twenty
Speaker 1: three year old man. You were twenty two at the time.
Speaker 1: He spent his birthday in the trailer. There's a little
Speaker 1: piece of classic Yeah, the other day was your birthday.
Speaker 1: In the trailer, we did have like some oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I got him, I got him caramel ganash brownies. All
Speaker 1: those things, like you know, it was the most insulting
Speaker 1: thing about them was that it was like this giant
Speaker 1: chunk of chocolate with more chocolate spread on top of it.
Speaker 1: And then just as an insult to everyone, they had
Speaker 1: taken chunks of brownie and sprinkled on top of the
Speaker 1: brownie that had icing on top of the brownie. It
Speaker 1: was just like, it was very insulting to me, like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat this, but I'm going to enjoy it,
Speaker 1: and I might like it's gonna be hard to breathe.
Speaker 1: For about two hours after Welcome to the Midwest, I
Speaker 1: got a lot of comments, we're gonna get to the
Speaker 1: days in in We're gonna have a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: here briefly in this tale. But so we signed on
Speaker 1: and capture creative in the linear timeline of the back
Speaker 1: for you and Mark knows. I don't like linear timelines.
Speaker 1: It's not a good way to tell a story. Wayne,
Speaker 1: for you to keep love the show This is Us.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody out there listens to This
Speaker 1: is Us. I love it. It's great. When you first
Speaker 1: brought that up to make out what if we did
Speaker 1: this like this is Us? I had to go watch
Speaker 1: some of that ship like this it's so good man.
Speaker 1: I'll be in there just like watching this is using
Speaker 1: my wife and I'd be like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: this is so touching. Kevin Fire. Yeah, don't play, don't
Speaker 1: don't give anything away. Okay, we're going to take a
Speaker 1: quick break. You guys got to watch all three season
Speaker 1: This is Us coming back? All right, welcome back. You've
Speaker 1: now watched about seventeen hours of This is Us. How
Speaker 1: about that more? Yeah? How about that's a non linear
Speaker 1: way to go about it. Anyway. We are we greenly.
Speaker 1: We green lit this thing in August with the idea
Speaker 1: that we would have about eight or nine episodes that show.
Speaker 1: We would launch them in the kind of a semi
Speaker 1: live um every two weeks fashion. Now. We had about
Speaker 1: seventeen different plans that were thwarted by reality. Um. But
Speaker 1: in early August we went to work, right. We started
Speaker 1: looking at the property making a plan. And when I
Speaker 1: say we, I say, Mark, Um, so like described the
Speaker 1: first the first time when we let you loose on
Speaker 1: the property. What you were thinking, Mark, Well, when I
Speaker 1: first got let loose in the property was after we
Speaker 1: quote well, even before we closed on it because I
Speaker 1: found it. Do you want to hear the story of
Speaker 1: how I founded or just skip right to we bought it?
Speaker 1: And what do they think once we are Oh? Non,
Speaker 1: literally we go back in time. That's perfect. This is us.
Speaker 1: Would definitely do this. I will try to make it
Speaker 1: clip in time. You know, search and search visited I
Speaker 1: think twelve different properties I visited in person. Spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time looking online at all these different properties,
Speaker 1: and I had a certain set of criteria that are
Speaker 1: harder to come by than I've realized. I always assumed that, oh, someday,
Speaker 1: when you have the resources, you can get your dream
Speaker 1: far would be awesome, and so I thought, Okay, we
Speaker 1: have the ability to get a farm, now just pick it.
Speaker 1: There'll be all such great options. But that was not
Speaker 1: the case. Had several properties got sold underneath us, had
Speaker 1: several that you know, it's like weird backup offers and etcetera, ETCETERA.
Speaker 1: Long story short. Ended up stumbling on this one when
Speaker 1: driving to another property. I drove by and saw the
Speaker 1: sign in front of it and thought, huh, it looks
Speaker 1: good from the road. Pulled up on X, looked at
Speaker 1: the map and said, that's what happened loaded free acres. No, dear,
Speaker 1: I wish it was up front advertising like that. Um
Speaker 1: but no. But I looked at the map and said,
Speaker 1: that's what I've been looking for, and found the agent
Speaker 1: and got permission to walk it. And sixty four acres
Speaker 1: rolling hills. There's about six fields old fields, old fields.
Speaker 1: Most of it is like remnant, like really just brushy
Speaker 1: cover like golden Rod and Marristale and things like that.
Speaker 1: There's a swamp in the center that that mark affectionally
Speaker 1: calls the sanctuary. There. There's more rolling hills than I
Speaker 1: expect there to be, and there's there's a ridge in
Speaker 1: the far what southeast corner of the property that really
Speaker 1: we think whole deer that's called the Honey Hoole. So
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot about this property to like, especially
Speaker 1: in in the spot where it does in Michigan. It's
Speaker 1: close to your place, it's close close to really the
Speaker 1: origins of meat eater in our company. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of reasons why you would want to buy a
Speaker 1: property like this. And I will say one inspired me
Speaker 1: about this piece of ground is it's it's just unassuming.
Speaker 1: It's it's in a world where everybody on TV has
Speaker 1: to kill some giant buck, and every property has to
Speaker 1: be pristine and thought through. This is a chance for
Speaker 1: people to see the guts of a thing, like what
Speaker 1: it takes to build something from. It's not nothing, but
Speaker 1: it's it's really close to nothing. Yeah, this is very
Speaker 1: much the everyman's property. I mean it's it's small, it's raw,
Speaker 1: doesn't have a whole bunch of special stuff on it yet,
Speaker 1: it's just it just had the potential I thought, And
Speaker 1: it was in a good area for my research. It's
Speaker 1: it's not in the middle of nowhere. There's developed men
Speaker 1: around it, there's towns around it, there's encroaching you know,
Speaker 1: industrial parks and all that kind of thing going, like
Speaker 1: super high roads. So so me and me and Doug
Speaker 1: were talking like what we have here is kind of
Speaker 1: like the potential dug during UM five. You'll see that
Speaker 1: coming up soon, exactly right. This this kind of little
Speaker 1: oasis that we could protect in some way and nurture
Speaker 1: in some little conservation oasis of sorts, um chucked in
Speaker 1: the middle of a whole lot of other stuff. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, it was when I first got to walk
Speaker 1: out there and see it on you know first when
Speaker 1: I looked before we purchased it, and after purchasing it,
Speaker 1: it was just excitement, anticipation. I have very high expectations though, Um,
Speaker 1: in Michigan it's it's very different expectations even have in
Speaker 1: say Iowa or Kansas, these renowned deer hunting places. Um,
Speaker 1: But for Michigan. From everything I've I know, and I've
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time hunting a lot of places
Speaker 1: around here talking to a lot of people, Um, this
Speaker 1: is in one of the better areas we're hunting in
Speaker 1: the state. Um, and had the pieces that had the swamp.
Speaker 1: It's got good neighbors. So I was like, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be awesome. Yeah, it's pretty excited. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: to just I'm not I don't live I mean, you
Speaker 1: live pretty close to where we sit right now. This
Speaker 1: is your country man, Like you know this place, this
Speaker 1: is your game, right, that's wish you've kind of developed
Speaker 1: for your livelihood and your lifestyle and the way that
Speaker 1: you live and what you dedicate yourself too. So this
Speaker 1: is your thing. But for me, it was a chance
Speaker 1: to tell a story, right, to tell a story not
Speaker 1: only about this property, but about every small property like
Speaker 1: this one not only about uh land, but private land
Speaker 1: and how much private land there is, how much that
Speaker 1: private land means the conservation, how private land is important,
Speaker 1: if not more important in public lands, and how those
Speaker 1: two things can work together to do what we need
Speaker 1: them to do for for wildlife. And I know we've
Speaker 1: talked about this a bunch, but that's just a big
Speaker 1: part of the storyline. So when we were first starting
Speaker 1: all this, we're like, we got this brawl farm. We
Speaker 1: know we want to give it away. We know we
Speaker 1: want to bring people into hunt and tell the story
Speaker 1: of this place as we work on it. We know
Speaker 1: we want Captured to be a big part of that,
Speaker 1: and helped push that forward. And that gets us to
Speaker 1: August when we're like, Okay, well what are we gonna
Speaker 1: do now? We wanna And it'sn't it like for most
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, most hunting TV that you watch,
Speaker 1: even hunting stuff on the Internet, most of it that's
Speaker 1: well produced or produced at at all at any level,
Speaker 1: is shot the year prior to the air, right, So
Speaker 1: it's the idea is we'll shoot at this fall at
Speaker 1: next fall on the outdoor channel of Sporceman channel or
Speaker 1: even stuff you see on the internet that's not vlog
Speaker 1: style format like those of Hushing and other folks like that.
Speaker 1: The production is not so ambitious to say like we're
Speaker 1: gonna do it this year. Most of these things are
Speaker 1: done many months prior to when the air, so there's
Speaker 1: lots of time to put them together. We just sided
Speaker 1: that we still we wanted to try to meet the
Speaker 1: standard of what Steve had done and what media had
Speaker 1: done in some way while also delivering the content the
Speaker 1: same year that it that it happened. So tracking this
Speaker 1: thing not live, not really semi live, but within the
Speaker 1: context of the season in which it was happening, which
Speaker 1: can you can follow pretty damn close to live, because
Speaker 1: we're not telling this story just with the YouTube se
Speaker 1: it's also being told on the wire done podcast pretty
Speaker 1: much weekly. It's on my social media accounts very much weekly,
Speaker 1: almost daily since August um. So for those that have
Speaker 1: expressed interest and want to follow on with what's going on,
Speaker 1: you can see what's happening right now, and then you
Speaker 1: get to hear about it a week later in the podcast,
Speaker 1: and you get to watch it two or three weeks later,
Speaker 1: So you really have a pretty cool way to experience
Speaker 1: this in different mediums, um And I think that's that's
Speaker 1: been fun for me to be able to share it
Speaker 1: in those different ways, and hopefully for the audience has
Speaker 1: been fun to engage with it in those ways. So
Speaker 1: all the times I've been here a couple of times out,
Speaker 1: I've had fun when I'm here too, um And we'll
Speaker 1: get to that, but we should get to the first shoot.
Speaker 1: When we had Jordan Hunter come out here, they were
Speaker 1: looking for hotels there where's the place where you know?
Speaker 1: We were in an undisclosed location in Michigan. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty rural and rural Michigan. Rural Michigan. There's some towns around,
Speaker 1: small stuff, small towns, but there's just not like there's
Speaker 1: not the Hilton anywhere near. There's no Marriotts, there's no Marriers.
Speaker 1: But what there is, what happens to be here is
Speaker 1: the days in. And if you've ever stated the days in,
Speaker 1: it's a lovely place. They're usually at least for me, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've pulled up a commercial about the days in. It's
Speaker 1: just gonna play that for everybody. Do you hear that? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who you don't know? Oh they got a pool? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a child. We could, yeah, look at things, the lights,
Speaker 1: how family didners wherever we like delicious? Okay, it is
Speaker 1: sez the days sees the days, so I would love
Speaker 1: to stay at the place like this sounds lovely, it's lovely.
Speaker 1: It's uh they got pools, happy children. That one child
Speaker 1: looked like he didn't have a pink eye in either
Speaker 1: of his eyes. You look, now, Jordan's hunter decided, there's
Speaker 1: only in the proximity of the days in the days
Speaker 1: prior to their being a camper here, there was only
Speaker 1: a few spots to stay. Now, I luckily I found
Speaker 1: a place around here, uh close that had a little
Speaker 1: bit of rooms. But Jordan's tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about your experience at the days in now. Disclaimer, days
Speaker 1: In is not a sponsor the program. I don't think
Speaker 1: they will be after we talk about this. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be after this, it's gonna be tough. Admittedly, admittedly it's
Speaker 1: gonna be difficult to reel them in, but we may
Speaker 1: be able to save it. But just Jordan tell us, yeah,
Speaker 1: give us a brief description of this in like marketing
Speaker 1: and you know that's sort of industry and what they
Speaker 1: do and all these companies that have people that do that.
Speaker 1: I think I take issue with that ad that you
Speaker 1: just played, because there's not not too much that happened
Speaker 1: to be true with our experience at this facility, and
Speaker 1: you just you were just trying to get a place
Speaker 1: that was relatively inexpensive, close to the back forty comfortable,
Speaker 1: had to bed in it, you could sprawl out your
Speaker 1: camera gear because you guys were doing shoots their last
Speaker 1: five six days, and there's multiple of them, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna be here forty fifty days throughout the fall. You'd
Speaker 1: like a nice place, clean up, take a shower. You
Speaker 1: don't need much. You guys are pretty simple. Expectations are
Speaker 1: low or fancy people. You don't need a maitre d
Speaker 1: or a valet or anything like that. You just need bed,
Speaker 1: a shower, and no chance of hepatitis. That's there's the kicker.
Speaker 1: That's that's it. That's it right there, because upon sliding
Speaker 1: the card, that side note had to be like remagnetized
Speaker 1: every day because I quit working. Okay, you're welcome to
Speaker 1: the days. It didn't take long for their and to
Speaker 1: take hold days in back fort you adjacent won't call it.
Speaker 1: They didn't care either, Like they didn't ask for an
Speaker 1: I d to give you a new card. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: room one nineteen, here you go. That's the cool part
Speaker 1: about it. You know, you feel like getting into a
Speaker 1: new room. You could just pick a number and just
Speaker 1: go to the front desk and if you're gonna get
Speaker 1: probably two keys. Usually, it was described to the proprietor
Speaker 1: of this day's in she's a nice lady, nice lady. Um,
Speaker 1: maybe you know, i'd call her rough around the edges,
Speaker 1: probably caring, carrying, carrying, caring. Ah, I thought carrying a
Speaker 1: child or a gun. No, No, I mean, well you
Speaker 1: could have been carrying a child and God at the
Speaker 1: same time. No one would have known. So it's carrying individual.
Speaker 1: Nice person. Yeah, yeah, I mean her name is Kay.
Speaker 1: Her name was Kay Lady. She's not right, she's she's
Speaker 1: definitely a hunting collective. Listener was talking about me. There's
Speaker 1: no offense to me. I don't take issue with we like,
Speaker 1: Okay was not. She gave us room keys every day
Speaker 1: every day. Question describe describe the rooms. What did the
Speaker 1: rooms look like at the day? Son? Oh gosh, just
Speaker 1: imagine like a Friday night in your college dorm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that debauchery. I'd say it's more like the Saturday
Speaker 1: morning after that. Yeah, that's that probably that probably is
Speaker 1: there particular. I believe he told me there's like a
Speaker 1: door that didn't work. There was the various stains throughout that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean if you've watched like Dateline or or whatever
Speaker 1: those like, it was perhaps filmed in this very location.
Speaker 1: There's there's an instance where our our door and mind you,
Speaker 1: like we're taking all of our production equipment back in
Speaker 1: there at night. So like lots of money, lots of
Speaker 1: money being locked up in this place every night, and
Speaker 1: the door lock seemed to be held on by a
Speaker 1: piece of scrap would keeping it closed, keeping keeping you
Speaker 1: safe from the quarter inch gap between the frame of
Speaker 1: the door and the door itself, which proved to be
Speaker 1: handy because you could if people are walking by, you
Speaker 1: could see from the shadows slick security system. Nice. They
Speaker 1: could literally just like take one of their fingers, pop
Speaker 1: that off and they were in. I mean maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit more small than a finger, but they could.
Speaker 1: They could check in on us if they stuck their
Speaker 1: face to the door, if if they hear like distress
Speaker 1: coming from the room, they could easily get it to
Speaker 1: help you. Yeah, I think that's what happened in the past.
Speaker 1: It was kicked in at one out of that door
Speaker 1: being kicked in. Did you bring a black light? No good,
Speaker 1: you don't want that. I just you don't want that.
Speaker 1: You just ignorance is bliss? Yeah? Did you sleep in
Speaker 1: in the bed or in a sleeping bag on top
Speaker 1: of the sheets. Now we committed, we committed to the shop.
Speaker 1: Do you get rid of you know, the top comforter?
Speaker 1: Oh that's gone, that's on the floor. Did you check
Speaker 1: for bedbugs in under the in the mattress? I did
Speaker 1: give it a once. Actually, yeah, so there was there
Speaker 1: was a time there was some mysterious hair within oh gosh,
Speaker 1: within the sheets. I met the bullet on that one.
Speaker 1: And then there was more hair too that was coming
Speaker 1: up the bathroom drain. Oh yeah. And then if you
Speaker 1: looked and the ceiling of the bathtub, there's also hair
Speaker 1: accurate yeah, uh huh, hair everywhere. Yeah. Well, so other
Speaker 1: than the human hair the lack of security, were there
Speaker 1: any other will say, maybe people there that were interesting
Speaker 1: sides Ka there was a picnic table off the back door.
Speaker 1: That's nice that they have a picnic table for families.
Speaker 1: The back door that was always propped open with the rock.
Speaker 1: That's fine. That rock here needs to be used for
Speaker 1: something that and this this picnic table is probably there for.
Speaker 1: What we heard about in the commercial was the families
Speaker 1: that we're looking forward to the new day. More like
Speaker 1: single dudes smoking darts and uh having a beer. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: single dudes. There's yeah. There's an individual. We named him
Speaker 1: Scannered based on only his appearance. Appearances, he could have
Speaker 1: been a great guy. His perm mullet was fabulous. The
Speaker 1: only thing this one was like an I roxy parked
Speaker 1: in the parking spot that needs to totally do the
Speaker 1: permed mullet. He thinks, what's the guy? I'm blanking on
Speaker 1: the guy's name right now? He did Danny McBride. No, yes,
Speaker 1: Danny McBride. You could totally look like Danny McBride. He
Speaker 1: had the perm mullet. Dude, I would if I got
Speaker 1: girl mullet. If I let it go, I get a
Speaker 1: natural rat tail. Yes, all I have to do is perm.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that takes anymore. Have to track
Speaker 1: back season two of Back forty. Don't have to be there,
Speaker 1: just sidle up, on the picking table next to next
Speaker 1: to Skinner. He'll he'll be like like he past that dart.
Speaker 1: Let me pol you don't have to have a two
Speaker 1: Leader of PEPSI DoD you. Wasn't that what it was?
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about the lady sitting on the pick
Speaker 1: a table drinking the two Leader cola. This wasn't just
Speaker 1: one morning and the morning, but this was we were
Speaker 1: more here for ten days. Shoot, did she drink the
Speaker 1: same Leader of cola full every morning? Full every morning,
Speaker 1: every single morning? Can you imagine? Hydration is key? I
Speaker 1: mean right, so is the beat ist the diabetes? Yes, Wow,
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't die either. And she was just pulling
Speaker 1: on that thing in the plastic Leader bottle. For her,
Speaker 1: it was like smoking SIGs at bay. It's a six
Speaker 1: smoking table. That's what they had it there for. And
Speaker 1: then these people are staying at the days in Are
Speaker 1: they just hanging out at the table? I mean there,
Speaker 1: I don't know, not to stereotype of crowd that stays
Speaker 1: at that day same but they definitely spit the mold
Speaker 1: there just like you like, all right, well we want
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure we covered that shout out
Speaker 1: the days in if you would like the sponsor the program. Um,
Speaker 1: we need to get we need some comped uh, we
Speaker 1: need some coupons for the days in Back forty adjacent.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a problem because I think we
Speaker 1: stayed here for We stayed here for ten days and
Speaker 1: the total was like less than your room for two
Speaker 1: nights that you never did come to the buffet O
Speaker 1: thank you well. Shout out to to that day's in
Speaker 1: Back forty adjacent. We'll call it um. It really added
Speaker 1: to the experience I felt the first time I came,
Speaker 1: you guys were like, yeah, we're staying in the fifth circle. Hell,
Speaker 1: two more circles to go. I'm glad, glad we did it.
Speaker 1: You guys didn't have any You didn't get any rashes,
Speaker 1: no bug bites, not from the days in. We did
Speaker 1: bring uger bites back from the Back forty went to
Speaker 1: the days in. We're getting to that now. This is
Speaker 1: where it becomes a nightmare for everybody. Now when I
Speaker 1: say the Back forty is a mean mother, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I think all of Michigan is a mean mother.
Speaker 1: In August. I mean, it is like walking into a
Speaker 1: microwave is different than Montana. That's Montana's crisp air. And
Speaker 1: you come here and it's like walking into just the
Speaker 1: inside of someone's sweatpants after a marathon, very sticky, sticky,
Speaker 1: just like you're just sticking to everything. And here we
Speaker 1: are hustling to make a program about this property. We
Speaker 1: are stuck with like no time, the worst weather ever
Speaker 1: and uh tall, task ahead. Take it from there, Mark
Speaker 1: what happened? Well? I think the first step was that
Speaker 1: even before we could do work on the property, and
Speaker 1: we had so much stuff that I had envisioned doing,
Speaker 1: before we could do any of that, we also wanted
Speaker 1: to bring a whole slate of different people out to
Speaker 1: offer perspectives and ideas first, and so that was a
Speaker 1: whole thing, trying to find people, schedule people, get people
Speaker 1: to come on out that would match up with when
Speaker 1: we could film it and everything. So we eventually we're
Speaker 1: able to get a slate of folks to come out,
Speaker 1: and we'd spent a whole bunch of days showing them around,
Speaker 1: getting their thoughts on the property, talking through ideas, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: So we had a couple of different folks from the
Speaker 1: Natural Resources Conservation Service come out, one of those being um,
Speaker 1: the state biologists for Michigan for the NRCS. Here he
Speaker 1: came and provided an ecologist perspective of dan Z. Danny's a. Now,
Speaker 1: dan Z looked like looks like an ecologist. Yes, he
Speaker 1: had the vest. He had a vest. He was wearing
Speaker 1: like a khaki vest, like a mesh backing. He looked
Speaker 1: very much like an ecologist, had the feeling of an ecologist.
Speaker 1: It was perfect. He got excited about some prairie remnants
Speaker 1: that were on the property, um, which again is very
Speaker 1: a very ecologist type of thing to do. He's all
Speaker 1: about the plants. Um. So yeah, we had we had
Speaker 1: in the colleges out there, we had a burder come out.
Speaker 1: His name was I forget Pat Hogan, Pat Hogan. He
Speaker 1: was cool though. Man, he had like a beard and
Speaker 1: uh you know, had like a high top fade. Man.
Speaker 1: They were like picking off bird and he was from
Speaker 1: like Birds and Blooms. I remember thinking, we're making a
Speaker 1: hunting show and we got a guy from Birds and
Speaker 1: Blooms looking at blue jays. Where this is going to
Speaker 1: be a failure. No hunter is ever gonna want to
Speaker 1: watch this content at all. But luck it was interesting.
Speaker 1: It was interesting, very interesting. And that's what like I
Speaker 1: found from those first episodes. And of course, uh, speak up,
Speaker 1: Mark if I'm going off track, is that there there's
Speaker 1: interesting elements to the outdoors. And my dad taught me
Speaker 1: this growing up. My dad can pick a bird off
Speaker 1: and tell you exactly what it is by sight, by
Speaker 1: like any anything he hears or sees, he can tell
Speaker 1: you can tell you what kind of tree that you're
Speaker 1: standing under. So my dad kind of taught me this.
Speaker 1: And and Mediator is about this. But like the knowledge
Speaker 1: of the place, right that the empowerment of knowing what
Speaker 1: what the mass crops are, what the cover is, what
Speaker 1: the trees are, what birds are here, what bees are here,
Speaker 1: what pollinators here? And on and on. But I don't
Speaker 1: think I haven't seen I'm not I'm not tooting our
Speaker 1: own horn here, but you just don't really see that
Speaker 1: in our space. And an episodic, you know, show like this,
Speaker 1: we'll call it, we can call a TV show because
Speaker 1: this show. Yeah, UM, so that that I was worried
Speaker 1: about that. I'm like, how are we going to make
Speaker 1: this exciting? Um? But I think in and of itself
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. And and I It was a great
Speaker 1: impetus for me to dive into that stuff because I
Speaker 1: I love to learn, like I'm a book nerd, I
Speaker 1: read voraciously. I just love learning new things. And I've
Speaker 1: spent a whole lot of time when it comes to
Speaker 1: the hunting side of things, really really learning a lot um.
Speaker 1: But admittedly I have not been good at being able
Speaker 1: to identify birds or identify plants. Unless I knew a
Speaker 1: deer aid it or something like that, I wasn't paying attention. Um.
Speaker 1: So this is a great push for me to open
Speaker 1: my eyes to some new things. Not all hunters have
Speaker 1: developed a myopic view of the pursuit, but a lot
Speaker 1: have right and that's only natural right. But this isn't
Speaker 1: a thing we would force upon anybody. We hoped it
Speaker 1: would be interesting. We had hopes that people would take
Speaker 1: it on as a very interesting way to look at
Speaker 1: the world. But there is this derivative of hunting that's
Speaker 1: that you're a part of, that's like q d M
Speaker 1: A big Bucks. This is what we're after and it
Speaker 1: can be not always, not always, but it can be
Speaker 1: all encompassing in a way that you kind of put
Speaker 1: blinders onto some things that are around. Um. And I
Speaker 1: think this show is is definitely not done that, but
Speaker 1: but taught me a lot about how to think about it,
Speaker 1: how to think about managing a property, you know, for
Speaker 1: white tails. Because we learned from our our buddy from
Speaker 1: UC Berkeley, Luke McCauley, that there are three fifty six
Speaker 1: million acres of land owner at least for hunting in
Speaker 1: the US, that the contiguous land area in the US combined.
Speaker 1: It is, that's a pretty large piece of this country
Speaker 1: that's all kind of being managed for hunting, which has
Speaker 1: a certain set of values, a certain set of principles,
Speaker 1: conservation being one of them obviously, But um, what's often
Speaker 1: missing from that is is biodiversity as a key component
Speaker 1: of it, at least outwardly. So yeah, and so what
Speaker 1: we did is we brought in a bunch of different
Speaker 1: diverse perspectives to help us do them. So we had
Speaker 1: the NRCS guys come in. We had a birder come in.
Speaker 1: We had a gentleman who focuses on bees. We talked
Speaker 1: about pollinators and pollinator habitat. We had um and then
Speaker 1: we had people that are focused on deer. We had
Speaker 1: two different deer focused habitat folks come out. So we
Speaker 1: got a deer hunting focus, we got an ecologist perspective,
Speaker 1: birds bees, all that and all that helped inform then okay,
Speaker 1: where is this thing going to go? Steve came out
Speaker 1: and took a look and share with it. We'll share
Speaker 1: with this what he thought. So we got all these
Speaker 1: different ideas and by this time it's not middle of
Speaker 1: August and I've got two weeks left before what's usually
Speaker 1: my line in the sand date August. I never stepped
Speaker 1: foot in the deer Woods again until October one, which
Speaker 1: is the opening day and the minimum thirty days to
Speaker 1: let a property sit. Yeah, now Jordan and a hunter
Speaker 1: like you guys were filming all this. Like the first
Speaker 1: couple episodes, it was a lot of just walking around
Speaker 1: the operating and looking at stuff, which is generally not
Speaker 1: how people like to create content around. They like action
Speaker 1: and things. Are you guys ever worried about like what
Speaker 1: what's this going to be? I mean definitely at first.
Speaker 1: But the thing that got me is, even though I
Speaker 1: was behind the scenes and filming the whole thing is
Speaker 1: there was more than once where I just kind of
Speaker 1: would step back after, you know, like when Jake ealing
Speaker 1: I was here, for instance, like I love deer hunting,
Speaker 1: and I was super interested in what he had to say.
Speaker 1: And there was more than one time that day where
Speaker 1: I just kind of like sat back and like, Okay,
Speaker 1: first of all, make sure you're still recording, the frame
Speaker 1: is still on. But also, man, what he just said is,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a really cool take, and and that's
Speaker 1: kind of when I knew, like, Okay, I'm very interested
Speaker 1: in this and I'm the one filming it, so I
Speaker 1: think that should translate to you know, the viewers. And
Speaker 1: I think the biggest shame is that we had all
Speaker 1: these great tours of these folks and got all their ideas,
Speaker 1: and they saw all the properties, and we had to
Speaker 1: distill all that down hours of these people looking at
Speaker 1: the property and sharing their ideas, and we had to
Speaker 1: distill down to three minutes per person or something like that.
Speaker 1: Like we only at the time, like you watching these
Speaker 1: episodes got the tiniest little snippet of what's out there.
Speaker 1: And when we're trying to get some podcasts with some
Speaker 1: of these people, we've already had some um trying to
Speaker 1: provide some deeper dives into some of the there's extended
Speaker 1: cuts of the pollen air discussion that's on the Mediator website. Um,
Speaker 1: things like that, but amazing, amazing insights. So we got
Speaker 1: from these guests and you often find that, you know,
Speaker 1: with a burder or an apiarist or whatever the case.
Speaker 1: My fancy name for beekeeper. Um what Yeah, I've learned
Speaker 1: a lot. I learned a lot of those words too.
Speaker 1: I learned this. We're another word called verite. You know
Speaker 1: it's a very days Hey, I love one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: You guys will look that up and figure out that is. Um.
Speaker 1: But we're learning things right. So so when we were
Speaker 1: creating this content or are working on the back ford,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is also real world work. We're not
Speaker 1: just autu to create content. We gotta do the work
Speaker 1: right to make this thing what it needs to be.
Speaker 1: We're learning along the way. That's why the it's presented
Speaker 1: the way it is. We're bringing a bunch of people
Speaker 1: into help teach us these things that we don't necessarily
Speaker 1: mark me, Steve, we don't necessarily have experience in you.
Speaker 1: Not to mention too that there's not really any other
Speaker 1: examples of shows like this to even reference from. It's
Speaker 1: completely different than anything that's been done. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the big challenge. And then and then in the timeline
Speaker 1: we get to the actual work and on the property. Finally,
Speaker 1: it felt felt like there was a long times and
Speaker 1: Mark you can take us through how that got go
Speaker 1: on us there? Do you had a little challenges here?
Speaker 1: There a little things happen. Yeah. I mean the short
Speaker 1: version of it is that by the time the middle
Speaker 1: of August arrived, we had, you know, eight nine days
Speaker 1: of the camera crew left to try to get something done.
Speaker 1: And so I wanted to say, Okay, what's like the
Speaker 1: most impactful short term thing we can do to try
Speaker 1: to make this farm huntable Because at this point of
Speaker 1: the seven thousand different ideas we got from all these
Speaker 1: different experts, most of these things we can't do yet.
Speaker 1: Most of these things have to wait till the winter
Speaker 1: or the following spring. But is there anything we can
Speaker 1: do right now that at least might help us with
Speaker 1: the short term hunting side, and maybe we'll help in
Speaker 1: the long term as we refine them. So we had
Speaker 1: to try to look at what that might be, and
Speaker 1: of course we then also had to prepare the property
Speaker 1: to hunt it, which is what we were doing coming
Speaker 1: up in a month. So we had all the trees
Speaker 1: and tree stands to prep and spots to hang with
Speaker 1: the saddle way to put cameras up. We had clear trails,
Speaker 1: we had to scout the property and put ground linds up.
Speaker 1: And then the one short term thing that seemed to
Speaker 1: be possible in the small amount of time we had
Speaker 1: was to get some food plots in. Any hunter deer
Speaker 1: hunter knows the importance of food. It's it's one of
Speaker 1: those main drivers of deer activity. So if we could
Speaker 1: get some food on this farm, which right now it
Speaker 1: did not have any kind of super duper high quality food.
Speaker 1: There's of course native vegetation the deer feeding on them,
Speaker 1: but surrounded by agricultural crops, and so if we want
Speaker 1: a deer to spend some extra time on our farm,
Speaker 1: we would need to be able to compete with that
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I thought, okay, we can get
Speaker 1: a little bit of food plots in. That's gonna help
Speaker 1: us in the short term. To do that, though, you
Speaker 1: need equipment, you need all sorts of things within that equipment.
Speaker 1: You bought the mower at more. Yes, that's where this
Speaker 1: music comes in. Where you're trying to get gas trying
Speaker 1: to pull the mower. What happened? Tell us what happened.
Speaker 1: So what happened is that the one, one big piece
Speaker 1: of equipment we picked up was a big trail mower
Speaker 1: that we could pull behind our UTV, because, as we
Speaker 1: noted earlier, this property is comprised of a lot of
Speaker 1: old brushy fields, and so if we want to do anything,
Speaker 1: whether it be make trails or put in some kind
Speaker 1: of food or whatever, we need to cut that somehow. Um.
Speaker 1: At one point it contemplated taking my John Deere lawnmower
Speaker 1: over here and tried it behind my house in some
Speaker 1: similar stuff and got stuck and had had my wife
Speaker 1: come out with my son, and she had to sit
Speaker 1: in the front and try to drive it while I
Speaker 1: was trying to push it out of the mud. And
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, this isn't gonna work. Um, So
Speaker 1: fast forward. We get this mower, I get it a
Speaker 1: pick it up at the store. They drop it on
Speaker 1: our trailer with a skid steer or whatever forklift, And
Speaker 1: when I go to arrive and pick it up, I went, wow,
Speaker 1: this is a lot bigger than I thought it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: How am I going to get this off the trailer.
Speaker 1: There's no way we're picking this thing up. So the
Speaker 1: forklift drops on the trailer. I bring it over. We
Speaker 1: get here and the dilemma unfolds. First, how do we
Speaker 1: get the mower off the trailer? Watching the I'm watching
Speaker 1: the show and can talk, so we had struggles. I
Speaker 1: eventually found I could use the winch on the UTV
Speaker 1: to pull it off of the trailer. It was enclosed
Speaker 1: in this big wooden palette box that I had to
Speaker 1: then try to break apart. I had no good tools,
Speaker 1: so I had like had a miniature tool set in
Speaker 1: the back of my truck with like a baby hammer,
Speaker 1: and so I'm trying to like wrench it off with
Speaker 1: a hammer, and that didn't work at all. We finally
Speaker 1: got that to break off. I think we did that
Speaker 1: by using the winch again to break the palette stuff apart,
Speaker 1: and then the mow were sitting there beneath me, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not good with mechanical things, and mind you.
Speaker 1: Up to this point, there are three of us behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. It's watching me, myself hunter, and then Sam
Speaker 1: the producer, just watching him, offering no assistance. Struggle unfold
Speaker 1: in front of us, and so I hate this stuff.
Speaker 1: Like I'm really good at talking and ideas and reading
Speaker 1: and concepts and stuff like that. I am not good
Speaker 1: at tools. I'm not good at building things. My mind's
Speaker 1: not I don't have good spatial awareness. I can't do legos.
Speaker 1: I can't Like that's just not how my main legos
Speaker 1: or whatever your house to build that all that stuff
Speaker 1: just is not my thing. Letting falcon I got so
Speaker 1: like when we get something, let's say we buy a bookshelf,
Speaker 1: my wife is the one who goes through and like
Speaker 1: figures out how to put together, and she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: just hammer that. Okay, now do that. Like I'll get
Speaker 1: so frustrated trying to figure it all out. So then
Speaker 1: this goes to a point where that I made earlier,
Speaker 1: this whole back forward the experiment. It's just kind of
Speaker 1: like putting Mark in a maze like a rat with
Speaker 1: cheese at the end, and then we introduce a lot
Speaker 1: of different stimuli throughout and just see what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my ever seen throughout the whole show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know I struggled to put the thing together.
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of channels trying to put it together
Speaker 1: and finally got that done though, and then it was okay,
Speaker 1: I think it's together. Now we just need to start it.
Speaker 1: That can't be that hard. So pull the choke out,
Speaker 1: remember to put gas in it, and then started to
Speaker 1: pull on the whatever the hell you call it, and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't start. I pull, it wouldn't start. Pull it
Speaker 1: wouldn't start. Pull it wouldn't start. I'm like, what am
Speaker 1: I doing wrong? Is there jokes? Good? Is there? Do
Speaker 1: I need to press one of those little air bubbles
Speaker 1: to work gas? Little line? No, I can't find anything
Speaker 1: like that. We've got a very simple single page instruction
Speaker 1: book or instruction sheet. In the thing I'm reading that,
Speaker 1: I don't see anything that I'm doing wrong. Fast forward
Speaker 1: over the course of I don't know what it was,
Speaker 1: an hour or two hours. Um, we could not get
Speaker 1: the more to start. Do you remember this sound? That
Speaker 1: would be the pole count up to eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 1: And there were so many more. Yeah, that's seventeen. I'm
Speaker 1: really like admires eighteen nineteen twenty. That's probably about a
Speaker 1: half dozen clips like that. Did you flood it? Like? No, No,
Speaker 1: it was nothing like that. Um, nothing would work this.
Speaker 1: So then at some point I'm like, okay, it's a wait.
Speaker 1: At some point during this, our camera crew figures out
Speaker 1: what's wrong. Yes, so well you're you're just skipping a
Speaker 1: important At one point I realized, okay, screw the fourth
Speaker 1: wall or fifth wall, or over the freak that is,
Speaker 1: I need to talk to my camera crew and get
Speaker 1: their help. Because Hunter, one of these guys, was like
Speaker 1: a small engine mechanic of sorts, did a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff within that Relso I said, Hunter, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here. You need to
Speaker 1: help me. So he comes and starts fiddling, and he
Speaker 1: knows this stuff, and he starts checking spark plugs and
Speaker 1: checking gas lines and popping gas lines off and sucking
Speaker 1: fuel through the line and all these things, and nothing works.
Speaker 1: He takes it all part, finds the flywheels, sees that
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of ust in the flywheel, We
Speaker 1: clean the flywheel, all these things. At one point, how
Speaker 1: to screw driver in the spark plug. We figured out
Speaker 1: there was no spark. So all this stuff happens and
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on. I am stressed out.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else can we call Hunter's
Speaker 1: calling his dad. I'm wondering, like, I gotta I got
Speaker 1: a brother in law who's used to be a mechanic,
Speaker 1: maybe he's got to come over here. And very stressed
Speaker 1: and upset. And this is pretty far into it. And
Speaker 1: if we don't get this damn more to work, we
Speaker 1: can't get any of the projects that we need to
Speaker 1: get done. And we've got three days to get this
Speaker 1: part of the stuff done. Um. So I'm stressed, frustrated, frazzled.
Speaker 1: And then a guy shows up, pulls on the driveway.
Speaker 1: I start chatting with him. While I'm chatting with this
Speaker 1: guy in the parking lot, were in the driveway. Uh, Jordan,
Speaker 1: do you want to describe what happened next? So we
Speaker 1: were to describe the scene more Hunter at this point,
Speaker 1: how the motor pretty well disassembled and torn apart, and
Speaker 1: he was adjusting something. And I'm the same as Mark,
Speaker 1: I've got no intuition when it comes to you, like
Speaker 1: engines or anything that I'm just not from my head,
Speaker 1: and the ring as me too. Yeah, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: not good. So Sam, Sam, the producer, and I were
Speaker 1: leaning up in the against the bed of the side
Speaker 1: by side and in the bed of the side by
Speaker 1: side was the I don't know what you'd call it,
Speaker 1: like the the engage lever for the MORE. It's on
Speaker 1: a chord probably what ten ft long something like that
Speaker 1: that you know, he's sitting the back of the side
Speaker 1: by side so you can engage and disengage the MORE.
Speaker 1: And it was just sitting there and I looked down
Speaker 1: and Marcus talking to the guy that had showed shown
Speaker 1: up there, and it's like, man, that almost looks like
Speaker 1: an ignition switch for a key. And then the light
Speaker 1: bulblent on somewhere along the process. And we had even
Speaker 1: looked for like some kind of ignition on the more buttons.
Speaker 1: They're switches or something red the instruction, instruction, instruction, And
Speaker 1: it all came down to you putting a key in
Speaker 1: that little switch and twisting it sideways. So well, Mark
Speaker 1: was finishing up this conversation we called Hunter over. The
Speaker 1: light bulb went off in his head. He went and
Speaker 1: got the key, put the key in and flipped it
Speaker 1: and we got ready to film again. We're like Mark,
Speaker 1: if we feel like Hunters pretty confident this is we
Speaker 1: think we think he got it. So he put the
Speaker 1: cat back on the moor and he's like, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I think what I did we will work, hopefully, And
Speaker 1: so the guy leaves. I'm like, okay, God, damn it.
Speaker 1: If this doesn't work, I don't know what we're gonna do. Literally,
Speaker 1: we are shipped out of luck. If this doesn't work,
Speaker 1: I'm done. We'll try one more time. So I stand
Speaker 1: over it and I take a deep breath and then
Speaker 1: in my head like sweet baby Jesus, please work, and
Speaker 1: I crank that cord and the sucker ran like a
Speaker 1: charm and I lost my ship. I was very, very excited.
Speaker 1: The reaction that was shown in the episode was the
Speaker 1: happiest human being. Yeah, it's it's it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful time. It's very excited Chris Mark. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he just jumps in the cannon and takes
Speaker 1: off and we're just like, I guess we'll meet you
Speaker 1: down there to work well, Mark, Yeah, but we did
Speaker 1: not tell him about the key, right, Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: other things. They didn't tell me why it worked. I
Speaker 1: just thought that Hunter had fixed it somehow. And then
Speaker 1: Hunter was telling me today in the tree stand that
Speaker 1: you were nervous about it's shutting off so you would
Speaker 1: just keep the mower on. Well, it never I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to turn off. I don't know I didn't
Speaker 1: know how. I don't know how it turned on, So
Speaker 1: how would I know it turned her off? So another
Speaker 1: guy shows up the property I'm mowing, and then another
Speaker 1: guy shows up and I go to talk to him,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how do I turn this mower off?
Speaker 1: And then it dawns and me like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: know how. So I just like dialed it down and
Speaker 1: went over walked and talked to him while the mower
Speaker 1: still kind of running. And I don't want to I
Speaker 1: don't want to sit there like show him that I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing. So then I come back
Speaker 1: to it. And then did you guys tell me at
Speaker 1: that point I kept his secrets. The only one he
Speaker 1: turned off is I would run until it ran out
Speaker 1: of gas. You probably got it started around like noon
Speaker 1: or something like that, and it was it had to
Speaker 1: been after six by the time that we were like wrapped,
Speaker 1: and that whole time you just I still have no idea,
Speaker 1: And then you told me he come over to talk
Speaker 1: to us, and he just idled it down. Man, We
Speaker 1: got their action on camera, which is pretty good. Was good.
Speaker 1: It was a good part Episode two. And then and
Speaker 1: then really like briefly after all that commotion, I show up.
Speaker 1: We got a hank, some tree stands and do some
Speaker 1: ground blind stuff, some basic hunting prop. And I show
Speaker 1: up and it's boy, it's a hundred and fifteen degrees
Speaker 1: with a humidity something like that. You step literally step
Speaker 1: out of the vehicle and you start sweating. Is there's
Speaker 1: it's involuntary at this point. And I come to find
Speaker 1: out that everybody is covering chicker bites, everybody's covered in garbytes,
Speaker 1: everybody's pulling ticks off themselves. There's just it's an air
Speaker 1: of desperation on the back. Stuff that can get you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I come and start sweating, and then realized
Speaker 1: that there are things that are out to get me,
Speaker 1: including bees. I got. We were we didn't have the tools.
Speaker 1: As Doug durn Well here in a future episode he
Speaker 1: says that we have what do you say? He said,
Speaker 1: you don't have equipment, you have toys. We have toys.
Speaker 1: That's how he described the toys whacking. I was had
Speaker 1: a sickle and I was like whacking trails, sweating, and
Speaker 1: I whacked myself right into a bee hive, a little whacking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I whacked off. I'll take you there, I'll take you there.
Speaker 1: So I got stung by bees. We sweated it out,
Speaker 1: but we did get a lot done. We hang tree stands,
Speaker 1: hung ground binds, plepped ground blinds, prepped everything, so food
Speaker 1: plots you got in there in that very short time
Speaker 1: we filmed it all. We like pulled the rabbit out
Speaker 1: of the hat somehow got this place semi prepared for
Speaker 1: the hunting season to come. Would definitely say semi. Even
Speaker 1: when it was done, I still felt like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: so many things we could have done, we couldn't do.
Speaker 1: But we did learn a lot about the property. We
Speaker 1: learned about what we could do, and then got as
Speaker 1: much done as we could before Mark as his his
Speaker 1: tradition in Michigan to leave a property rest for about
Speaker 1: thirty days prior to the October one opening this year,
Speaker 1: which is about a month ago. I had to show
Speaker 1: you how it's how how quick we turned this stuff around,
Speaker 1: um and on. Before the opener, Steve had said this
Speaker 1: a bunch and I'm looking at a pine squirrel. Pine
Speaker 1: squirrel out the window right now now that's out of
Speaker 1: the road. Steven talked about hunting the squirrel opener a
Speaker 1: bunch when he was here. He had talked to me
Speaker 1: about it. He very much wanted to film a show
Speaker 1: around squirrel hunting. And from the very beginning, you said no,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. Well, it didn't say no, I said, Look,
Speaker 1: I told me like, uh no, I said, I know
Speaker 1: this isn't my decision to make, but I strongly would
Speaker 1: suggest we consider the implications of that because and no
Speaker 1: one still knowing takes me seriously on this, but everyone
Speaker 1: still thinks them full of ship. Unless you are a
Speaker 1: serious deer hunter in an area of high hunting pressure,
Speaker 1: then you get it six d and fifteen thousand deer hunters,
Speaker 1: and most of that, the vast majority of that is
Speaker 1: crammed at the bottom third of the state. That bottom
Speaker 1: third of the state is smaller, probably definitely smaller than
Speaker 1: the state of Iowa. But that whole state of Iowa
Speaker 1: has sixty So you can compare, like IWA's a hunting
Speaker 1: mecca compared to what we're dealing with here in Michigan.
Speaker 1: So the the big picture here is that there aren't
Speaker 1: a lot of mature bucks here and the deer that
Speaker 1: are here are super savvy, super uh. They're on pins
Speaker 1: and needles. The hardest place I've ever hunted when it
Speaker 1: comes to any on a lot of white tails stays.
Speaker 1: No state is more difficult than here. So but that
Speaker 1: being the case, the one way to get around that
Speaker 1: is to try to approach your hunting wherever you're hunting
Speaker 1: in a way that you do everything you possibly can
Speaker 1: to keep those deer from knowing that there's human hunters around.
Speaker 1: So that is the filter that every decision I make
Speaker 1: passes through when it comes to how I approach a
Speaker 1: property in Michigan. So going in there two weeks before
Speaker 1: opening day and walking over the property, it seemed like
Speaker 1: a really good way to put every possible deer on alert,
Speaker 1: especially the mature buck that you're hoping is out there.
Speaker 1: Very rarely have I found a property with more than
Speaker 1: you know, one mature buck in Michigan that you might
Speaker 1: be a hunt. And to this point, you put out
Speaker 1: a bunch of traild cameras. We we did not say
Speaker 1: like during that we hud a bunch of trail cameras,
Speaker 1: made some mock scrapes, all the all the things that
Speaker 1: you generally do to deer season, but there wasn't like,
Speaker 1: you know, mid September, we're like, hey, we got seven
Speaker 1: or eight really nice box walking around that not a
Speaker 1: single one. It's not a single buck some doze and
Speaker 1: that's about it. Like year and a half old bucks
Speaker 1: and dozes all we got on trail camera, which is like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna, oh, we've you know, bought this property. We
Speaker 1: sink all our time, our whole fall into this, We're
Speaker 1: gonna think about this all fall in the next fall too.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give it away. We're gonna give a hunt away.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, this is not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah and so and so I just said, hey, we
Speaker 1: can do whatever you guys want, but just know that's
Speaker 1: not going to help our deer hunting efforts. Like it
Speaker 1: might not be the underworld might be fine, but at
Speaker 1: the same time, it's it's definitely not helping, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that much. And if that one mature buck that
Speaker 1: we're after happens to be in the area when we
Speaker 1: walk all over and leave sent everywhere, that's probably gonna
Speaker 1: impact his daylight movement. That's probably gonna impact our chances
Speaker 1: at least early um and again guarantee. But these are
Speaker 1: the things I was concerned about. And we'll let you
Speaker 1: watch the episode you've watched already because we've paused twice,
Speaker 1: forced to do that pause again. Okay, we're back. Um,
Speaker 1: how about that more Yeah, that more pools. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was impressed by your persistence, your strength, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's strength was key like a man's man at
Speaker 1: that point. I hear that a lot. And so the
Speaker 1: episode three of the show, which you've already watched at
Speaker 1: least three times by now, um, is the Squirrel Hunt
Speaker 1: or Steve Comes Stephen Yanni come to Hunt. Opening day.
Speaker 1: You can watch the show to see what happened. It's
Speaker 1: pretty true to life, is exactly what happened here. But
Speaker 1: they didn't really find any squirrels on the property either,
Speaker 1: other than a few pine squirrels here and there. Um.
Speaker 1: And so at the end of that day, we did
Speaker 1: not a lot of pressure on the farm. Nothing really
Speaker 1: um crazy occurred. But also we're getting to the point
Speaker 1: where we're looking for animals. They had a way to
Speaker 1: bird survey. Of course there's lots of birds, but that's
Speaker 1: not surprising. UM saw some turkeys. Um, what even like
Speaker 1: a what else did you find, like a badger or
Speaker 1: some kind of wood chuck? Was us thinking of, we've
Speaker 1: got woodchuck, A lot of a lot of animals hanging around,
Speaker 1: But that's not necessarily the kind of animals that we
Speaker 1: like to eat um in the fall. So I couldn't
Speaker 1: find a squirrel. Don't have a picture of a deer.
Speaker 1: Mature mature deer, yeah, dear, but not the kind of
Speaker 1: deer that we would target in a place like this.
Speaker 1: And so things are kind of looking interesting we're looking
Speaker 1: for We're like, did we buy a dud of a
Speaker 1: property that no matter what we do to it, we're
Speaker 1: not going to have what we want to have? Or
Speaker 1: are we just in for a longer road that we thought? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I always kept going back to I just I
Speaker 1: know it's got a pretty It's just it's surrounded by
Speaker 1: too many good things. It has the potential that's it's
Speaker 1: got something's gotta show up eventually. I just didn't know when,
Speaker 1: or to what degree or what a mom but something
Speaker 1: would show I just every time we checked cameras or
Speaker 1: would sit out here and Scott we sat a decent
Speaker 1: number of nights. Those nights we were working me and
Speaker 1: Jordan would come out and sit in the tree and
Speaker 1: watch the fields in the summer to try to get
Speaker 1: eyes on stuff and kept on being like repeatedly from
Speaker 1: August all the way through November. My main reaction was
Speaker 1: I don't get it, Like, there should be more. This
Speaker 1: looks too good. Why aren't we seeing more, dear, why
Speaker 1: aren't we seeing bucks? What? I've spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time and a lot of properties in a lot of places,
Speaker 1: and this one has perplexed me a lot compared to
Speaker 1: many others, which, you know, that's a nice cocktail for
Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety when you're like, we put a
Speaker 1: lot into this, we're counting on this to work. If
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, we're gonna be screwed in so many ways.
Speaker 1: And then have like the kind of mysterious lack of
Speaker 1: mature white tails and other things that we want to
Speaker 1: see here was stressful, But then you come out for
Speaker 1: opening day at by the time opening day October is
Speaker 1: only a month ago that we first hunted this place,
Speaker 1: where you first hunted this place, and that by this
Speaker 1: time there's a few bucks starting to show up on
Speaker 1: show camera. In particular, one the only buck that that
Speaker 1: you saw and you said to me this to me
Speaker 1: and others and even on the show, that you felt
Speaker 1: was like a semi resident of the property, like he
Speaker 1: was hanging in the zone, like he was of the
Speaker 1: CC four acres. He was covering a lot of him
Speaker 1: in his daily route. Like we know that deer have
Speaker 1: roughly up home range of a mile or something like that,
Speaker 1: like our sixty four acres was in his home range. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and it wasn't like he was super duper frequent.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he was the most of all the
Speaker 1: bucks that we did get occasional pictures of. I mean,
Speaker 1: we might have pictures of him once once or twice
Speaker 1: a week. You know. It wasn't like you're seeing him
Speaker 1: every day passing through. And we've got a lot of cameras.
Speaker 1: I had at least ten cameras running, and I went
Speaker 1: get one picture of him on one of those cameras
Speaker 1: once or twice a week. So he was he was.
Speaker 1: He was the most common visitor though. And he's like
Speaker 1: the deer I said yesterday that he this deer that
Speaker 1: marked up the wide eight is like the perfect deer
Speaker 1: for this scenario, because if you were to look at
Speaker 1: him In fact, I think he had somebody comment, um
Speaker 1: when you when you killed him, like, shouldn't you let
Speaker 1: him walk? Shouldn't let him another years when you should
Speaker 1: have passed? And maybe in normal parlance, if you're looking
Speaker 1: at hunting magazine, a white til magazine, or you're looking
Speaker 1: watching some certain TV shows like the only deer that
Speaker 1: are killed our giant two d in hundred fifty plus
Speaker 1: inch animals, and so that could secuse your perspective. But
Speaker 1: for a property like this in a state like Michigan,
Speaker 1: the deer that we called the wide eight because of
Speaker 1: his body size and its maturity, the way they looked
Speaker 1: and what he did, he was a mature deer that
Speaker 1: you'd want to hunt and outwit and pattern and kill
Speaker 1: these Michael, those are my goals to do that with
Speaker 1: mature bucks. And where and again I don't want this
Speaker 1: to sound like humorous, but like where this property and
Speaker 1: that deer line is the fact that this is just
Speaker 1: a pretty normal property. It's sixty four acres. We didn't
Speaker 1: pay a big chunk of change for this. It was
Speaker 1: relatively inexpensive pal we got a great deal. Shopped around
Speaker 1: and get a good deal, and so we weren't like
Speaker 1: in here, just dropping millions of dollars trying to get
Speaker 1: the best thing going. We wanted to get a property
Speaker 1: that was accessible, that we could get in short order,
Speaker 1: that we knew we could make better. And the animal
Speaker 1: living on that is as normal and as typical as
Speaker 1: the property in which it lives and the one that
Speaker 1: we bought. So I always I thought, even after the fact,
Speaker 1: but even during like this isn't a a buck that's
Speaker 1: gonna play well on the Graham unless we tell his story.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't matter needed with this property if you
Speaker 1: try to try to talk about it. But it's emblematic
Speaker 1: of pretty normal deer hunting across this country. Not everybody
Speaker 1: has farm and I would have killed big bucks or
Speaker 1: been blessed the folks that do nothing bad on them.
Speaker 1: This is just a scenario that we chose to be
Speaker 1: in and found ourselves in. And that's what the hand
Speaker 1: we're playing, the Handwred dealt like most people in this
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of people that are doing that. Um.
Speaker 1: And so your first day hunting this place was like
Speaker 1: first week October, and you spooked that the wide a. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first time we ever saw him, um was our first
Speaker 1: hunt came slipping in and and I'm very O c
Speaker 1: D about everything when it comes to deer hunting, but
Speaker 1: accessing and exiting a property are usually something of I'm
Speaker 1: very keen on doing carefully so as to avoid places
Speaker 1: where you think dear will be bettered. If you're spooking
Speaker 1: deer when you go in or when you go out,
Speaker 1: they're going to very quickly change the behavior. So I
Speaker 1: planned a route to get to the tree stand we
Speaker 1: want to hunt that would be uh circuitous enough to
Speaker 1: avoid the swampy area and the honey hoole area where
Speaker 1: I expected most dear to be bedded. So it took
Speaker 1: this long, roundabout way around the outside of the property
Speaker 1: and long an area I would never expect a buck
Speaker 1: to be bedded right in the edge of our old
Speaker 1: field and a wide open piece of timber, like this
Speaker 1: is not thick timber, This is not good cover, this
Speaker 1: is just open park timber. You can see across a
Speaker 1: hundred yards a buck jumps up right off from the
Speaker 1: edge and goes running away, and I can see just
Speaker 1: a really wide, heavy buck and I'm like, holy crap,
Speaker 1: that is that buck that we got a picture of.
Speaker 1: We had one picture of a mature buck on sept
Speaker 1: And I bet you was that buck. And that buck
Speaker 1: can be known the White eight. So we spooked the
Speaker 1: White eight in the first hunt in here, and then
Speaker 1: from that point on we started getting you know, pictures
Speaker 1: of him here and there. Do you want me to
Speaker 1: keep going with the hunt? Not for you? Like, here's
Speaker 1: the deal? Well, fast forward to ways there is white
Speaker 1: sail hunting is um not physically strenuous in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, but it's mentally it's a bit mentally. You're
Speaker 1: talking about waking up every day at four thirty am.
Speaker 1: You know, these guys are rigging camera gear. There's charging
Speaker 1: batteries there, backing up cards there too. You know, Mark
Speaker 1: is checking traill cameras, trying to figure out what each
Speaker 1: day is gonna be. And you gotta do this for
Speaker 1: usually a good while if you're dedicated enough to really
Speaker 1: get the buck you're after or at the goal that draft.
Speaker 1: So this is I mean, we're sitting November what six,
Speaker 1: November six, that's set in the middle of the rut,
Speaker 1: and by the time I got here, Douggie Derran had
Speaker 1: already been here. There have been other guests. He shot
Speaker 1: a dough off the property but there wasn't much going on,
Speaker 1: Like we had some pictures of deer and we spooked
Speaker 1: one that was kind of good, but that was it,
Speaker 1: and se nothing. But does in a couple of year
Speaker 1: in Anthle Bucks and sitting like, let alone, five or
Speaker 1: six hours, sitting twelve hours in a tree and seeing
Speaker 1: like five deer it's hard to describe how mentally and
Speaker 1: even physically because you're trying to stay warm, exhausting those
Speaker 1: things are. To do it for two or three days,
Speaker 1: it's hard enough to do it for weeks at a
Speaker 1: time with the pressure not only the pressure of I'd
Speaker 1: love to kill a deer, but the impressure of an
Speaker 1: entire show, the impressure of this entire project to pay
Speaker 1: off all the hard work of everybody at this table,
Speaker 1: everybody else that's touched this project, I would say, turned
Speaker 1: into a real stressed out Mark Kenyon and I think
Speaker 1: everybody is kind of feeling like this has to something
Speaker 1: has to come of this. If we go through all
Speaker 1: year and nothing comes of this, we're gonna be spinning
Speaker 1: a yard. That's probably bullshit, because we're gonna be disappointed
Speaker 1: and we're gonna want people to be interested. Still, so
Speaker 1: incomes the wide eight. Is that's the perfect buck to
Speaker 1: be hunting, because again, he is who he is, and
Speaker 1: he's the only one. There's other you had, like the
Speaker 1: toy Aid and a funky nine, like some other dre
Speaker 1: that we're showing up a couple of times on camera,
Speaker 1: but you just don't know. And the run you really
Speaker 1: don't know anyway. But so I got here a couple
Speaker 1: of days, three or four days ago, whatever, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the days are now. Um, you know, over
Speaker 1: the weekend and you start hunting, you've already been hunting.
Speaker 1: You guys have already been sleeping in Tim and Leese's
Speaker 1: excellent cam for not showering, sleeping for a very short time,
Speaker 1: producing this show, running ragged, doing this, not seeing your family's,
Speaker 1: not talking to your people, trapped in the back forty
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. Picking up there. Yeah, it's November five.
Speaker 1: What are you feeling on November five? I can tell
Speaker 1: you what. Let me just start by saying what I
Speaker 1: was feeling. I've only been here for like two days
Speaker 1: at that point, I'm already pissed. Like we've seen not much.
Speaker 1: It's the deer density is so low. You just kind
Speaker 1: of see a few deer here and there. It's not
Speaker 1: like you're sitting around watching deer all day. It's pretty
Speaker 1: hopeless when you haven't seen a buck that you'd like
Speaker 1: to draw your bow on, because you just don't have
Speaker 1: that anticipation around every corner. You kids trying to feel
Speaker 1: dead inside. You feel a little bit depressed. Thanks for
Speaker 1: me either, whiskey helped us out there a little bit.
Speaker 1: But that's that's a stressful feeling for everybody when you're trying.
Speaker 1: We're all pushing towards a goal, and it doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like like you can't even see the end zone if
Speaker 1: you don't even know what's what's there, and so we're
Speaker 1: all feeling pretty anxious. I feel about what we're doing,
Speaker 1: still having a good time, still filming, doing our thing,
Speaker 1: doing our jobs as they were, but feeling pretty pretty
Speaker 1: I was. I was like said, I was telling Hunter,
Speaker 1: we're in the tree, and like, dude, I'm feeling pissed.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mark keeps it positive vibes about him.
Speaker 1: I'm he have been only been here two days and
Speaker 1: I'm already like, where what are we doing? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I was flashing back and forth between these two sides
Speaker 1: where I was simultaneously really frustrated and perplexed. And then
Speaker 1: I would always constantly try to remind myself though, and
Speaker 1: it can change in a second. It can change in
Speaker 1: a second, like every year when it comes to November,
Speaker 1: regardless of all these other things that are related back forward,
Speaker 1: even on a usual hunting year, for a lot of
Speaker 1: people to take deer hunting really seriously, the rut is
Speaker 1: that's what we look forward to all year. This is
Speaker 1: the time to get it done. And so usually you're
Speaker 1: the fate of your season rests on as two week
Speaker 1: period for a lot of people, especially in Michigan, because
Speaker 1: when gun season arrives on November, everything changes. Most of
Speaker 1: the bucks get killed. Those that survive are nocturnal. Like
Speaker 1: from a lot of bow hunters, you kind of consider
Speaker 1: November fourteenth or last day unless you've got us really
Speaker 1: special property or something. Um. So that's the way I
Speaker 1: was looking at it and feeling like, wow, this is
Speaker 1: you know, every day that ticks off the calendar is
Speaker 1: well one less chance now we're running that time. We
Speaker 1: only have so many days to film here, so all
Speaker 1: that's weighing on me and and and we had been
Speaker 1: going into our very best spots. We've been saving our
Speaker 1: best spots for November. We go into our best spots,
Speaker 1: like the Honey Hoole, and it is not producing like
Speaker 1: we thought. I had all these high expectations, um, imagining
Speaker 1: deer pouring through here, funneling along this ridge, bucks coming
Speaker 1: out of the bedding, or checking the doe bedding that
Speaker 1: I thought would be there. To a degree, maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit is um. But like you said, deer density
Speaker 1: and sightings were so much lower than I expected, much
Speaker 1: lower than any other place I've hundred in southern Michigan.
Speaker 1: Um uh. We we don't need to get into all
Speaker 1: the games that might be. But um, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: was perpox, I was frustrated. I was stressed, but trying
Speaker 1: to stay optimistic because you are hunting. You can't complain
Speaker 1: about that. And number two, it can change like that.
Speaker 1: So that gets us to November five. I said, all right,
Speaker 1: screw the Honey Hoole. We gave it a shot. We're
Speaker 1: moving on to something different. We decided to set up
Speaker 1: on the edge of the swamp in the sanctuary area,
Speaker 1: and the hunt started pretty slow. That weren't seeing anything.
Speaker 1: We had a little bit excitement when we hear buck
Speaker 1: grunting in the swamp, but you couldn't see him. You
Speaker 1: can just hear some crashing in the occasional little ramp.
Speaker 1: At the same time that morning, I'm across the farm
Speaker 1: north of you guys, sitting in the field number four
Speaker 1: where I got stuck by bees not too many months
Speaker 1: before that, and we had hung a set and this
Speaker 1: good buck comes in the dark. I mean it's probably
Speaker 1: six thirty maybe still good ways until we get shooting light.
Speaker 1: This buck comes rolling right pretty much right under our
Speaker 1: tree stand at sub five yard. It's and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: that looks like the wide eight. Market showed me a
Speaker 1: bunch of pictures of a wide eight. I've seen it
Speaker 1: on Instagram with him sharing it with us, Like it's
Speaker 1: a buck we knew about. Like it's a big body deer.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have long times and he's wide. That's all
Speaker 1: I could see in the dark. I could barely see
Speaker 1: what was going on. And uh, the morning went on.
Speaker 1: You had that good, you know, pre hunt encounter, just
Speaker 1: enough to get you excited there's something going on, but
Speaker 1: I had you know, I wasn't going on by me.
Speaker 1: I heard the grunting, then nothing, nothing, nothing, it's it's
Speaker 1: getting later in the morning. I'm thinking, gosh, there should
Speaker 1: be something cruising along this swamp. Why isn't there something
Speaker 1: cruising along this swamp? And NT or So comes around
Speaker 1: and I decided, you know what, it's cold, it's been slow.
Speaker 1: It's snack time. So we grab our checksmiths on we
Speaker 1: start to eat our snacks and I'm constantly trying to
Speaker 1: keep my head on swivel. I spin my head turned
Speaker 1: around in the back of the field and I see
Speaker 1: a deer running across field number five and immediately can
Speaker 1: tell that this is a good buck. Grababa grunt to
Speaker 1: like telling George big buck behind big ground my grunt
Speaker 1: tube let out a big, deep grunt. That buck stops
Speaker 1: and turns and looks right at us. I instantly can
Speaker 1: tell us the white eight I say, white eighths right here.
Speaker 1: He turns and starts running right down towards us. He
Speaker 1: gets to maybe eight yards, stops and starts turning and
Speaker 1: heading towards the down wind area where our winds blowing.
Speaker 1: Now I'm thinking my head, I don't know he's gonna
Speaker 1: wind us, He's going to run away crap. But he
Speaker 1: gets to where our wind is blowing and he stops.
Speaker 1: You can you can see him hit the wind. You
Speaker 1: can see him hit it. He stops, looks again, puts
Speaker 1: his nose in the air. He sniff and he sniff
Speaker 1: and he's trying to figure out what is this? What
Speaker 1: am I smelling? And he can't figure it out. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know what it is? Marcus. Uh, he's a he
Speaker 1: is a humble bragging his sent control. It was actually
Speaker 1: a caramel caramel checks mix gusher because I love gushers. Ow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Point being, he decided that he couldn't tell or could
Speaker 1: not discern if that was a dangerous smell, and so
Speaker 1: he continued to come in. He was so interested in
Speaker 1: that grunt came into twenty yards and I was able
Speaker 1: to get a shot, took a shot, double lunged him,
Speaker 1: wash him, run off and crash across the way, and
Speaker 1: then you filmed your social media. Completely melt up the
Speaker 1: tree literally just almost fell out of the tree. I'm
Speaker 1: shaking like crazy because I think we just killed He
Speaker 1: had to he had a breakdown. I did, why do
Speaker 1: you have a breakdown? Mark? Well, I think it's everything
Speaker 1: that we've talked about up to this point. Um, I've
Speaker 1: been fortunate to have a lot of great successful deer hunts. Um.
Speaker 1: I've've experienced that, and I get emotional, I get excited, um,
Speaker 1: But this one was different, and I didn't expect I
Speaker 1: didn't realize it was going to I didn't never thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be different. But in the moment,
Speaker 1: it was just all of these things kind of of
Speaker 1: washing over me. There were a lot of expectations, There's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. Um, this project has been different
Speaker 1: than anything I've done before. I just I think it
Speaker 1: put a lot on myself and how it would turn out,
Speaker 1: and a lot of worry about how it turned out,
Speaker 1: and just a lot of expectations, and I just felt like, gosh,
Speaker 1: this thing has been a disaster. Nothing's going well. It's
Speaker 1: just been prompt to problem people nitpicking this, nit picking that,
Speaker 1: saying that's not good enough, saying this thing or that thing, comments,
Speaker 1: all that and all that kind of had just like
Speaker 1: slowly been like weighing on me. And George, you were
Speaker 1: the fly on the wall. Where do you see? I mean,
Speaker 1: I just after the shot, I mean I just knew
Speaker 1: what it meant as both a hunter, and then you
Speaker 1: know from Mark and all the work that I mean,
Speaker 1: you could say that we've done a lot of work
Speaker 1: to get to this point too, but really we've been
Speaker 1: watching him struggle behind the camera, offering not much help.
Speaker 1: So I knew it. I knew what it meant to Mark,
Speaker 1: and then you know what it meant to what we're
Speaker 1: trying to do here to and kind of what that represents,
Speaker 1: and you know, just something that is so relatable for
Speaker 1: so many to happen like that. And if you sat
Speaker 1: through this story for an hour and a half, you've
Speaker 1: you're interested in its ending. Of course, it's never over.
Speaker 1: But when you think about a team of people doing
Speaker 1: something right, or even an individual doing something, there's a
Speaker 1: commitment to when no one's watching right, when people are watching,
Speaker 1: when the camera's on, there's different things. But when the
Speaker 1: camera's off, you stuff to get up At four thirty
Speaker 1: in the morning, when you don't want to move out
Speaker 1: of bed, you still have to roll over and make
Speaker 1: sure you're organized and get all your stuff together and
Speaker 1: make sure you're in the right spots and be committed
Speaker 1: to that every single morning. For many mornings when you
Speaker 1: could just accidentally sleep in, or hey, we could take
Speaker 1: a morning off. We've been working hard we're tired, we
Speaker 1: can do we can stay home. We can you know,
Speaker 1: we can have a sandwich. We don't need to go
Speaker 1: and do all these things. Um. I think that's only natural.
Speaker 1: But when you're really dedicated to something, you will work
Speaker 1: hard for it. That's the kind of sacrifices you make.
Speaker 1: You don't allow yourself to to do those things. And
Speaker 1: I think when people see this episode, um, and when
Speaker 1: they see kind of the reaction and the emotion and
Speaker 1: like talking to your family, which you don't get to
Speaker 1: see as much because you're on here doing this stuff
Speaker 1: like the balancing act of life and hunting and content
Speaker 1: and media and and all the things that we do
Speaker 1: is on display and and on displaying a pretty unique
Speaker 1: special way. I mean, we make lots of jokes on
Speaker 1: the show. We make lots of jokes here. We rarely
Speaker 1: are all that series. But like in that moment, Mark,
Speaker 1: like you expressed and displayed something that I think is
Speaker 1: relatable to some but not relatable to most because it's
Speaker 1: it's a unique experience. And that's what what we hope
Speaker 1: with the back forties, we were able to just document
Speaker 1: this experience, not that we were just gonna get you
Speaker 1: too way we want to kill big Bucks. Every show.
Speaker 1: We didn't even show a buck until if this is
Speaker 1: the first book, I think, because yeah, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a couple episodes down the roads. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to watch you know, a good long while here and
Speaker 1: follow along with us until you get some sort of
Speaker 1: you know, traditional payoff within the white tail space, within
Speaker 1: the hunting space itself. And so like the distillation, the
Speaker 1: distillation of honey experiences into like guy goes something, guy
Speaker 1: kills thing, or a girl goes something, girl kiss thing,
Speaker 1: um is problematic for all of us because that's it's
Speaker 1: not really representative what we do. And so hopefully um,
Speaker 1: when you watch the show that you feel that that
Speaker 1: that it's not all the glamour and it's not all
Speaker 1: um what you sometimes see. That's everything, you know, it's
Speaker 1: the hard times, the good times, it's the stress, the anxiety,
Speaker 1: it's you know, the complete euphoria that comes from all
Speaker 1: that ending in a way that you wanted it to.
Speaker 1: So it's it's pretty special. I would say, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a special It's a special moment special deers a.
Speaker 1: It was one I will not forget. Well, let's have
Speaker 1: a shot to that our second shot of meteor whiskey. Cheers,
Speaker 1: cheers to the White Eight. Thanks White eight, appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Take a little sippy sip here. Though Mark is not
Speaker 1: drinking a lot of I'm a beer guy. He's making
Speaker 1: that uh meteor bourbon whiskey will make your face look
Speaker 1: like you've never had whiskey before. Pairs well with elk tongue.
Speaker 1: This one, we don't have any elk tongue. What um
Speaker 1: that's taking a shot of whiskey. Is probably a little
Speaker 1: bit like you felt when you realized, I mean, you
Speaker 1: punched a perfect high lung shot on the White eight.
Speaker 1: He ran spring blood everywhere. It was easy to recover.
Speaker 1: We drove back here and I like that. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's a feeling of success. It was. It was
Speaker 1: pretty cool. So one hell of a day. All of
Speaker 1: this to say, go watch the back forty. Keep hanging
Speaker 1: with us on it because we're not done yet. You know, Mark,
Speaker 1: his dad's coming in tonight. We're gonna film another episode.
Speaker 1: We got Ryan Callahan coming in later this year with
Speaker 1: a new hunter to see the place. We're gonna give
Speaker 1: away the hunt later this year. We're gonna hopefully film
Speaker 1: some mushroom hunts, turkey hunts, and some land prep next
Speaker 1: year and some white tail hunting will find new box
Speaker 1: to go chase. And we're gonna we're gonna we're getting bees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get bees. Mark's gonna have meat eater honey.
Speaker 1: Um hunter will maybe see his family every once in
Speaker 1: a while. Jordan's same for you. You guys might make
Speaker 1: a trip back to the day's in. Eventually when the
Speaker 1: camper goes away, maybe they'll maybe they'll apologize and give
Speaker 1: you they give the executive suite. At that point, there's
Speaker 1: a lot um I was emotionally yesterday and also I
Speaker 1: would say, um, pretty excited to tell the story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not only the wide eight, but of of what Marks
Speaker 1: trying to do and been able to do. But when
Speaker 1: you see somebody that has the emotion that Mark had
Speaker 1: after you shot this deer, any you know, in the
Speaker 1: hunting industry, there's a lot of ego and agenda, right,
Speaker 1: A lot of people want to say that's not big enough,
Speaker 1: or that's not right, or you didn't do it the
Speaker 1: way I would do it, or even the way we
Speaker 1: do it in my place. Why did you do it
Speaker 1: that way? There's a lot of those questions, some legits,
Speaker 1: some not. But hopefully you can watch that moment when
Speaker 1: Mark shoots this buck and realized that, like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what you think at that point, like just enjoy
Speaker 1: that hunting can can be this way for someone and
Speaker 1: it could be this way for you. All you gotta
Speaker 1: do is kind of work at it the way you
Speaker 1: want to work at it, and go at it in
Speaker 1: a pure way. Yeah, I think the work the work
Speaker 1: is is for me what makes hunting so special. It's
Speaker 1: it's everything that leads up to the end result. So
Speaker 1: when I shot that deer, it wasn't all that emotion
Speaker 1: wasn't because I just shot a big body, dear. It
Speaker 1: was because of everything else that it came before, and
Speaker 1: all that rushing down on you now because of that
Speaker 1: ten seconds of chaos. And I was saying that, like,
Speaker 1: I I know this happens, and I like, but I
Speaker 1: with deer like this, you project a lot of your
Speaker 1: own ship onto the deer, right, Like the deer is
Speaker 1: just still just a deer. It doesn't. It didn't morph
Speaker 1: into a unicorn. That ship hunted all our bills overnight,
Speaker 1: which would be that would be a lot more excited
Speaker 1: if we did that. If we did that, Um, it's
Speaker 1: still just a deer, right, it doesn't. It didn't do
Speaker 1: anything other than whatevery deer in that situation would probably do.
Speaker 1: But when so, we project so much of our own
Speaker 1: selves onto to these things, especially in the situation where
Speaker 1: you have a long relationship with these animals. So I
Speaker 1: realized in that moment too that you know, we do
Speaker 1: project onto these animals, but in this case, it's projection
Speaker 1: in a good way. It's the projection of our own
Speaker 1: hard work and values. It's projection of our own feeling
Speaker 1: about natural landscapes and how important they are to us,
Speaker 1: and all those things intertwined mean that end of motion.
Speaker 1: So I will say personally, I've learned more from working
Speaker 1: on this project than just about anything that I've I've
Speaker 1: done in my professional career or probably even personal life
Speaker 1: within hunting. And and I've learned a lot about myself
Speaker 1: about Mark because we did put him in a maze
Speaker 1: of a labyrinth of different scenarios to test his will. Um,
Speaker 1: I hope. I Well, I don't know if I passed
Speaker 1: yet so far approaching listen, I don't know. I probably
Speaker 1: waxing too much about our own content. You guys can
Speaker 1: watch it if you think it sucks. It sucks, but
Speaker 1: it's something that that's my personal experience, So hopefully that
Speaker 1: comes across in the content. But that's that's the way
Speaker 1: that I feel after experience against for myself. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: hope the same thing. You just never know though, But
Speaker 1: it seems like you guys all like it. Um go
Speaker 1: to the Mediator YouTube and check it out. Man, go
Speaker 1: ask us questions. We have many November five, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be's still filming and hunting here through the end of
Speaker 1: the year. Uh and and episodes will be rolling out
Speaker 1: through the end of the year, a lot of cool stuff.
Speaker 1: And then as soon as this year is over, we're
Speaker 1: gonna start planning for next year. And what we're gonna
Speaker 1: do here. We'll probably shed hunt, will probably like I said,
Speaker 1: pick mushrooms, will probably hunt turkeys. So much work. We
Speaker 1: got to work every single night I st out here hunting.
Speaker 1: A large portion of each of those nights has involved
Speaker 1: me looking across the landscape, imagining what we could do,
Speaker 1: what we should do, what will be happening in January
Speaker 1: or February or March or April. Um. So I've got
Speaker 1: a lot of big ideas and plans decided for that. Yep.
Speaker 1: So we have all four of us into this table.
Speaker 1: Have a strong relationship with the Back forty, positive or negative.
Speaker 1: And if you're a hunter and you think about why
Speaker 1: do I do this, a relationship with the land is
Speaker 1: probably a real good reason to do it. So, um,
Speaker 1: take Mark's example and really dive into these things. If
Speaker 1: you're a small property private land hunter, just dive into
Speaker 1: it the way that Mark has and the way that
Speaker 1: Steve has wished it to be. And um, hopefully you
Speaker 1: get what we've gotten, which is perspective. And uh, the
Speaker 1: White Eight, congrats, we already took a shot. We don't
Speaker 1: want to take another shot, right and I don't think
Speaker 1: I can't do anymore worked out? All right? Thank you boys.
Speaker 1: I guess I grew up. That's it. That's all. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us on another episode of The Hunting Collective.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Capture Creative Hunter and Jordan's thank you
Speaker 1: to Mark Kenyan for joining us. If you'd like to
Speaker 1: follow Mark Kenny, of course, you can always go to
Speaker 1: at Wired to Hunt, at Capture Creative. For those folks,
Speaker 1: everybody involved in the Back forty, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: There's countless people involved with our show and our content projects. Um.
Speaker 1: Sam Bates our producer, and Eracer our VP of production,
Speaker 1: Anton Lacata, our editor in chief. Man. The list just
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on of all the people
Speaker 1: that are involved in our project. So thank you to
Speaker 1: all those folks. Hopefully you sat and listened for an
Speaker 1: hour and a half of us talking about the back Ford,
Speaker 1: you realize that it does mean a little bit more
Speaker 1: to us after being here and working hard than just
Speaker 1: another white Tail Hunt or white Tail show. Um, it
Speaker 1: becomes meaningful because you spend a lot of time in
Speaker 1: your life working on a thing. So hopefully the more
Speaker 1: time you work on something, the more meaning it has.
Speaker 1: If it's the other way around, you're probably doing it wrong.
Speaker 1: And so watch the back Ford and go to the
Speaker 1: Metator dot com. Go to Meteator to YouTube, go to
Speaker 1: the meat Eator Instagram, the white Hunt Instagram, to my Instagram,
Speaker 1: to the Captured Creative Instagram. Am hit follow, hit subscribe,
Speaker 1: hit like. We also have the white Tail Weekly newsletter
Speaker 1: over there at the Meetor dot com. Go there, subscribe
Speaker 1: to that. Also, we have the Win a Hunt program
Speaker 1: with Mark and Steve on the back forty go and
Speaker 1: do that as well. So you got a lot to
Speaker 1: do a lot of homework around the back forty. We
Speaker 1: have planned and executed a lot of content around this idea.
Speaker 1: We are, if you cannot tell, very excited about it
Speaker 1: and wants you to go check it out. So for
Speaker 1: all of us here at the White Tail Hunting Back forty,
Speaker 1: hopefully have a good early November. Rutt, hopefully you have
Speaker 1: a good dear season altogether, and we'll see you next
Speaker 1: week on the Hunting Collective. Bye bye, Yeah, being just
Speaker 1: listened to the podcast, Joy pretty much agree you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, people been trying to eradicate it for years
Speaker 1: and years. I don't think it just somebody shooting one
Speaker 1: because they come by the deer stands, gona heard county
Speaker 1: populations or even eating people to the contad They've been
Speaker 1: trying to kill him out. They tried to kill him
Speaker 1: out of that with Obviously that's not gonna happen, but
Speaker 1: I do and I was like, you or kill other
Speaker 1: code easily. But I do think and I agree with
Speaker 1: you all that, uh pretors need to be managed and
Speaker 1: he got one like a bad apple, take it out,
Speaker 1: but paying on condemned somebody that wants to county and
Speaker 1: that she was telling my a bounty in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: I think she's that articuler. But I looked it up
Speaker 1: and that's just one county in North Carolina. As far
Speaker 1: as I've been up here that about years, we've never
Speaker 1: had a bounty. But that's news are as far so
Speaker 1: that one county. But it's like he said, the wolves
Speaker 1: used killed county's. I mean, they're gonna be a niche.
Speaker 1: They're like going to take over. They're gonna fill in
Speaker 1: that niche. But it's funny thing to me that if
Speaker 1: you meet I mean around home in it's North Carolina,
Speaker 1: about anybody you asked or safe up to about turkeys,
Speaker 1: the first thing out of or amount is the coti. Well,
Speaker 1: I got a niece for you. Texas got cuties, and
Speaker 1: I got a turkey. Counties are not killing the urchy.
Speaker 1: They might get a turkey erring out, you know, a
Speaker 1: little turkey, but coties are probably actually beneficial to turkeys
Speaker 1: because we've got coons, raccoons at the yingang like thirteen
Speaker 1: on Trail Cameron. Somebody's bait. Fine one time those get
Speaker 1: turkey nest So somebody says something like, Dad, I kind
Speaker 1: of gotta say that. You know, I don't really agree
Speaker 1: with that, because actually the county could be beneficial because
Speaker 1: the turkey hunt asked this might belie I've never really
Speaker 1: heard no studies to back it up, but I do
Speaker 1: know I have seen studies show that raccoons get a
Speaker 1: lot of turkey nests, and not all raccoons, but scumps
Speaker 1: and postums and got you take care of all them things.
Speaker 1: So I just want to throw out again. Enjoy listening
Speaker 1: to podcast. I know sometimes you'll be listening and you
Speaker 1: just kind of want the chiming, So it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to do, but you have to kind of stop it,
Speaker 1: do it before you forget. But enjoy the podcast, y'all.
Speaker 1: Keep it up. Do long, because I can't go a
Speaker 1: week without doing run, oh without doing run, ring out, run,
Speaker 1: drinking in even so, sitting at the Boston would stop
Speaker 1: the throw roots. Feeling lagging all on our barras shoes all,
Speaker 1: tell me what is it that I sho