WEBVTT - Ep. 87: Kickass Listener Emails, the Whitetail Rut is Here, and Inside the Back 40 with Mark Kenyon 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.160 Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Hunt Collective. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:08.639 I've been and Brian. Today I am joined by Hunter 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:16.360 Jordan's Mark the crew. Hello, back forty. Hello, You're gonna 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.599 hear a lot of things coming up. A lot of 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.360 things about the Back forty, a lot of things about 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.560 how we feel about it, a lot of things about Michigan, 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.079 a lot of things about Mark Kenyon, good and bad. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:28.080 But before we get to any of that, we also 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.319 joined by Phil the Engineer. We're gonna do. We have 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.560 nots of sharp moments. We have the first ever Dr 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.480 Phil segment from from our boy Phil. So look forward 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.559 to that. I'm calling it Dr Phil Medicine Woman. But nobody, 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.159 Nobody's going with me on that one. We got that 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.320 and then we got Back forty talks, so stick around 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.000 to that. But before we get to that, we're gonna 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.200 talk about something very important, and that is a book 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:58.680 called That Wild Country by my friend and colleague Marcus 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:04.520 Aurelius Kenyon. Could you be an esquire? Sure? Why not? 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:06.720 So We're gonna take some time before we get to 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:08.360 the show to tell you about this book because this 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.280 book is about a lot of things now, but it's 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:15.080 mostly about our public lands. Is that right market? It is, 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.560 and it's an interesting counterpoint to the rest of the conversation, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.480 which is about private lands and which interestingly illustrates the 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.680 two sides of my life. My life too. I think 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:30.039 all hunters have this duplicity in their life. I definitely do. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.399 And people can buy let's just before we get to 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:38.200 what what's inside the book. People can buy it where well, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.280 it is gonna be held most anywhere. Eventually on December one, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.880 it will be available most anywhere. You can buy books 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.720 between November one in December one. I'm not sure when 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.400 this is coming out, but between November one and December one, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:54.120 it's only available on Amazon to Amazon port of Amazon's 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.840 First Read program. Somebody told me a special promotional program 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.280 where they release a book a month early. Yeah, that's 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.280 a very prestigious honor for Mr Mark Kenyon in that 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.720 Wild Country to be included in Amazon First Reads. Amazon, 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.799 if you don't know as big as shit and they 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.639 sell lots of things, um, so go shopping a whole 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.880 Foods and go buy Marx books. In inside the book 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:20.440 you did, um basically a field studying and a study 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.079 in and of itself of the history of public lands, 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.120 your feelings about public lands. Give us a couple of 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.000 quotes or a couple of feelings that are in in 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.000 the pages of your book. Well, I think at the 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.640 high level how this all came about is, you know, 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.560 back in two thousand and fourteen, fifteen sixteen, everything around 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.800 the land transfer movement was starting to pick up steam. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.840 Within the hunting community. We're really starting to hear about it. Um, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.720 Folks like Randy Newburg and Steve ron Ella and Beck 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.079 County Runters and Anglers and Fielding Stream and Outdoor Life, 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.440 all these different media outlets were starting to toot the 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.280 horn of Hey, this is a thing that's picking up steam. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.160 There's a lot of people that are advocating that we 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.120 should be transferring our federal public lands to states, and 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.840 that's not a good idea. And I had for you know, 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.160 some portion of well, growing up, I'd experienced some public land. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.560 I lived in Michigan, but we went and visits national parks, 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.399 we did a lot of state parks, that kind of thing. Um. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.839 Once I graduated college, my wife and I started heading 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.120 out west and spending a lot of time in these bigger, 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.959 wilder Western landscapes, and so had had developed a really 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:26.400 strong affinity for these places, and eventually, with as my 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.960 career started becoming more flexible, we started spending two to 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.480 four months a year living out west just exploring public lands. 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.160 Um So, at this point I had a lot of 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.160 love for these places, and as I started learning more 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.560 about them being threatened, I realized, I don't know how 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.160 we got to this point. I don't know how we 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.440 got to have all these locations. How we have six 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.800 forties some million acres of public land, How we have 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.080 Grand Teton National Park, How we have these national forests? 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.600 How we have these places that have been so special 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.000 and impactful on me. So somewhere on the way, I've realized, 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.480 is there something I can do? Is there some way 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.120 I can try to help bring some attention to these places? 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.760 Because around me in Michigan, all my friends and family, 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.160 he had no idea there was this kind of thing 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:16.200 going on. They had no idea that all this public 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.480 land was was possibly threatened, or that we even had 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.320 these places. A lot of my friends had no idea. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.880 I heard of the Yosemite, they heard of Yellowstone. Um. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.400 But it's different than when you live in Montana, when 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.560 you live in Wyoming. Um, just a kind of a 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.560 different world. I can attest to that. I've lived in 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.839 Illinois and Montana and Texas and Maryland. Yeah, so much different. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.280 So basically came to the realization that there's a lot 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.160 of folks in America that don't know this story. They 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.520 don't even know it's it's available to them. So I thought, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.440 maybe I can tell that story. UM. So I decided 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:49.040 to study the history of our public lands and study 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.640 what's happening right now and what that might mean for 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.120 the future, and tell that story through a series of 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.360 my own adventures in these places. So over the course 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.440 of a couple of years, as I spent months living 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.400 out on public lands, camped out in my camper, backpacking, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:10.520 back rafting, hunting, fly fishing, climbing, back that all sorts 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.680 of different things, canoeing, um, trying to experience these places, 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.279 understand what's at risk, what's up for grabs here, and 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.840 overlay that with the lessons I learned along the way, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.279 as I researched and studied and read and talked to 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.360 people about how we got to this point and that's 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.200 what that's what wild that wild country is. Well, every 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:32.039 writer wants to pen a book. Every hunter wants to 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:37.360 tell stories. Uh, and I love public lands, so I 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.240 think this book is awesome. Now there's a quote that 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.440 you reference in there by a fellow named Wallace Stegner. 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.080 I'll just read it. We simply need that wild country 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.200 available to us, even if we never do more than 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.320 drive to its edge and look in before. It can 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.240 be a means of reassuring ourselves of our sanity as creatures, 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:03.599 a part of the geography of hope. And if you 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:08.719 want to read more, just like that. Those ideas, those ideologies, 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:14.560 those philosophies, go to Amazon right now, between now and 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.919 December one, right Mark, Yeah, that's the one place to 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:19.760 get it, between now and December one, and you go 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.440 and pick up that wild Country. It is not so 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.599 much money for the amount of perspective, So go and 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.400 do it. Thank you, Mark Kenyan, Thank you Ben. Now 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:41.359 this episode of The Hunting Collective enjoy. I guess I 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.960 grew up on an older road, a pedil do the medal. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.160 I always did what I've told until I found out 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.440 that my brand new closes a game second hand from 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.719 the rich kids next door. And I grew up fast. 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:56.919 I guess I grew up. I mean, they have a 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.560 thousand things inside of my head I wish I ain't seen, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.279 and now I just wanted to a real bad dream 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.279 of being a lack. I'm coming a part of the scenes, 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:13.520 but thank you Jack Daniel. Hey, everybody, welcome Episode seven. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.760 I'm here with Phil the Engineer. I am here in 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:23.239 bows Man, Montana for another week of the Hunting collect 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.120 So this week is all about you. Well, it's not 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.720 all about you. It's mostly about you. It's also about 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.200 the Back forty. As you'll hear coming up in the 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.720 interview signal of the show, we have ah behind the 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.200 scenes of the Back forty, which is our white Tail property, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.840 which you should already know. If you don't know, go 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.360 to the Meteor YouTube check it out the Back forty. 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.680 But I've been I spent I just flew back from 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:51.400 the Back forty, Phil, and I spent the whole flight 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.960 back reading your emails. I was a bit backed up 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.920 on the THHD inbox, and so I spent a good 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.360 better part of about three hours hopefully answering most of 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:07.280 your emails. And I created a folder in my email 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:11.640 called show Keepers, because I normally would just reply and 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.760 then forget them. But there's so much good stuff happening 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.000 in the THHD inbox, I felt like I needed to 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.720 highlight some of the best ones. So this this little intro, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.320 it's going to be all about you, mostly about you. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:30.760 Are you referring to me the listener? Okay? Got it? You? You, 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:35.199 the collective listener out there, have done a fantastic job 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:42.720 of emailing your thoughts, feelings, opinions. All very constructive, all 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:47.840 very positive, and even when they're um seemingly negative, you 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.280 you do a great job of keeping the perspective. So 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.679 I just want to say thank you, because I did spend, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.280 like I said, quite a long time looking at emails. 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:58.920 We got some segments to get to. We're gonna get 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.040 to those pretty quickly, and then we're gonna get a 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.360 bunch a pile of emails. But um, we've got to 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.080 get to a couple of things. But first, the work 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:12.480 sharp not a sharp moment, phil play the jingle not 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:17.959 so sharp moment you don't have Okay, this one is 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:22.920 quick and dirty. It comes to us from Seth Bustby. 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:27.000 Thank you, Seth, you have been selected ready for the 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.240 story film can't Wait. About three years ago, when I 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.600 still believe that you couldn't piss in the woods while 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.920 deer hunting. I use an empty sent away bottle that 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:42.160 I had my pack tracking got it so far naturally, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.120 the next year, I didn't remember that I used that 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:50.080 specific bottle and sprayed myself with my year old piss. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.520 You can smell it now in case you just pick 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.560 your Seth in the morning. Spring. You probably woke up 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.440 on the right side of the bed. It's gonna have 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:04.400 a great day the spring spring. Piss all over himself, 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.080 year old piss all over himself. I imagine that many 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.360 deer hunters have done this, Maybe not many, a few, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.439 it seems this could be maybe not. How many people 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.280 are pissing in their scent away bottles? Maybe not. This 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.120 is embarrassing. And to make it worse, that was the 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:28.240 first time my wife went hunting with me. Oh no, y'all, 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.719 take care, Seth. There's a short but sweet This is 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.120 why I didn't mention if they were still together. I 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.280 laughed out loud. He said he didn't say X wife. Okay, 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.319 So the good point So for all that that was 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.520 a brief one, but very impactful to me. So Seth, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.679 thank you for your not so sharp moment. Hopefully you 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:52.360 got to wash those piste drenched hunting clothes. And for 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.079 all your troubles, we're gonna send you a work sharp 0:10:55.240 --> 0:11:00.320 field sharpener and you're gonna love it. They'll play not 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:07.960 a Sharp Moment so you don't have all right, well, listen, um, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.280 I wanted that to be a brief not so sharp 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:15.520 moment because we have rather long email about the nots 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:21.720 of sharp moments to read. Now this is one. This 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.160 is one of the best emails we've ever gotten. Is 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.520 one of the most clever emails I've ever read. And 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:31.040 so Andrew Lennard's is going to get a THHC hat. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.720 We're gonna send him a hat, all right, Phil, and 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.080 I will personally will write a personal letter to you 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.720 as well, thanking you for your contribution to the show. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.920 And Andrew said this, He said, good morning, this isn't 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.080 an email with a not so sharp moment. I've had 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:47.720 a few of them in my time, but not sure 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.360 they are worthy of competing with some of the others. 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.280 I felt obligated to write this email in regards to 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.199 the jingle for the work Sharp not a Sharp Moment 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.360 segment of the show. The first time you guys played it. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.520 I thought that myself off. Well, isn't that a funny 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:06.200 little song. Now weeks have passed, I can't get it 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.640 out of my head. I'm literally singing it as I 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.520 type this email. Thank you for that. The jingle has 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.800 done its job, and I'm now addicted to the words 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:19.160 like the finest crack cocaine on the market. I believe 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.120 by the end of the week my children will also 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.680 be addicted and will spread the virus that is this 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.679 catchy tune to all their friends at school. Well done, 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.760 Skimpy micweek Stash, I applaud you on this marvelous creation. 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.760 I'm a new subscriber to the show, and I'm I'm 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.360 disappointed I didn't find it sooner. Reheaded to rehab soon, Andrew, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.120 Thanks Phil, Hey, you're welcome my pleasure. Thanks Phil. You're 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.120 ruining lives. Yeah, well, I mean you're a scourge upon 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:45.800 the land. You should have known that this would have 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.079 happened eventually. Yeah, I should have. I should have known 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.280 that you would be wrecking the brains or loyal and 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.760 new listeners like Andrew. So what do you have to 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.560 save for yourself? Uh? Not a whole lot. I mean 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.120 I'm glad that the jingle seems to be effective in 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:04.000 some way. Um, and yeah, I hope hopefully I can. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.520 We can see what what what other things I can 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.559 I can bring to the table. Maybe I'll do a 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:14.080 jingle for your segment coming up. Okay, can you teach 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.640 me how to play the piano? Sure if someone else 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:21.000 teaches me first. Okay, yeah, uh that'll be It might 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.200 take a while, but I could do like a doctor 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.160 Phil medicine woman theme song. Okay, it's gonna be great. Um, 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.679 but that's I thought, Andrew Man, well done, well done 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.760 in many ways. You made me laugh. And so you 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.439 get a hat. And that's the threshold for getting a 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.320 hat around here. Just write a funny email. Funny funny email, 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.560 make me laugh for that. I forwarded it that around 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:48.720 the office because it made me laugh. Now, Phil, your 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:53.200 mustache is gone. Yeah, sorry to break it. Break it 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.560 to the listeners. It is no more. I shaved it 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:00.839 off first thing in the morning after all the ween what. Um. Oh, listen, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.920 I told you that I wasn't a big fan of it. Listen, 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:09.520 it didn't look great. Okay, thank you for this, uh 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:16.880 skimpy mcweekstash you Um you live, you burned brightly. You're 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:21.920 a shining star. Goodbye. Seemed to me that you lived 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:28.040 your life like a candle in the wind. Um, Skimpy, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:34.400 Why the mango? Okay, yeah, I it's it's gone, and 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.080 I feel great. Honestly, I'm sorry. It was it was 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.480 a blonde angel sent from heaven. Yeah, and now it's returned, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:48.080 returned home, homecoming anyway. Yeah, I I don't I don't 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.000 miss it. Did your wife miss it? Not at all? No. 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.520 I My son noticed that I shaved it. He said, Dad, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.760 did you shave your mustache off? I said yes, he 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.000 said yay. So I think the only people who wanted 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.160 it around were you and several listeners. And that's that's 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.400 about it. And I'm not gonna cater to you or 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:16.360 like I'd like to have a pretty eulogy for Skimpy mcweekstash. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:25.960 Skimpy Skimpy, you were here for a very short time. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.160 When I first met you, I thought you had no 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.800 chance of climbing into my heart and taking a piece 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.720 of it. But over time you grew on me and 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:44.920 on Phil You and you were able to make a 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:54.240 mark on us all with your blonde, shadowy figure and 0:15:54.320 --> 0:16:00.680 you're gentle but firm presence. Mm hmm, thank you. It's Skimpy. 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:08.880 Rest in peace. Wow that was great timing. Yeah, I 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:13.720 didn't playing that time. Thanks Skimpy make aweek stash. We 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.560 didn't have people right in. We had some people right 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.520 in that Gary should have won. Um. I have a 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.800 little regret that we didn't name Skimpy Gary. In fact, 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.880 I think we I think Gary was a close second. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:32.160 It was a seriously close second. Bryant Lumen wrote in 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:37.040 always a buncher people's names. I feel l u h 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:42.160 m a n would that be Lumen l A l 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:49.840 a U l u h Probably Lemon Lemon. He wrote 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.680 in that his dad's name was Gary, his dad's here's 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:58.720 here's Gary Phil and he had an awesome mustache And 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:03.280 unfortunately his dad passed way. And you know what I 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.800 will say this, I there's some like some health issues 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.719 going on in my family. When I read Brian's emails, 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.920 like my dad helped me get going. My dad's not sick, 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.480 he's fine, But um, that kind of hit me a 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.760 little bit that his dad's name is Gary, his dad 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.119 had a kick ass mustache. His dad taught him to 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:25.280 hone he's now a biologist in the land Steward u 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.159 W Medicine. So it's a great story. Um, but I 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.720 think it's probably good that Gary wasn't remembered in the 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.640 form of my mustache. I think he is probably deserved 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.320 something a little bit and more robust. Yeah, he had 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.399 three sons taught him all how to hunt. So the 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.719 emotions while I read all your emails, the emotions went up, 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.879 they went down, they went all over the place. That 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.840 was Brian's email was another person that struck me. It's 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.879 just a cool story. And it's funny how we make 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:58.520 jokes about mustaches and somehow that can become weirdly meaningful. Uh. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.080 And we got a lot of more stuff to get you. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.359 But before we get to that, Phil, I promised you something. Yes, 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.000 I made you a promise, and I keep my promises, Phil, 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.240 keep them. The promise that I made you was that 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.760 you could have a segment on the show. And now 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.800 we would call that segment. Dr Phil. Did you write 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:23.920 any music? Uh, not music, but a little intro A 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:29.440 little intro sound? Okay, right here, go for it, Dr Phil. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.560 This person needs surgery. Now, don't worry. I'm on it. 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:40.439 My work here is done. All right, Phil, what have 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.400 you prepared for us today? I don't know anything about 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.879 what's coming. I'm seating my hosting duties to you for 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.399 the moment. Take it away, Phil, Okay, well listen, I 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:52.760 didn't want to overthink this. Um I tried to think 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.199 about what I could bring to the table, and I, 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.399 uh yeah, I didn't come up with a lot, but 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.439 sounds promising already. One of the one of the one 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.800 of the favorite things that we that you have done 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.119 on on the show since I've been here were the 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:13.400 top five lists with Sam Soholt and Maggie Smith. Remember 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:19.240 Spencer new Hearth and not not me because you cut 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.120 me out of the voting. Didn't do that. You got 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.040 honorable mention on all of the votes. Um So, anyway, 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:30.280 as a sort of way to get my revenge, um 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:34.360 this is revenge is a strong word. See. I could 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.160 see you like in your room, toiling waiting for your revenge. 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.200 I've decided that the segment is going to be uh 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:51.680 dr Phil Medicine Woman, Colin Phil's Picks, Phil's Picks play 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:56.560 the jingle we already did. It was a sound effect. Um, 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.600 I don only have jingles for everything. Now, well, it's 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.919 going to be a sort of jingle perfect. There might 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:11.320 be some ominous drones in the back yells Picks phils Um. 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:15.119 So I decided that anytime you listen, this might be 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:16.920 the only time we do the segment until decide it 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.119 was a horrible idea. You're on thin ice. I'm on 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.520 thin ice. But if if this will become a recurring thing, 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.760 every segment will just be me um. Maybe it'll be 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:35.080 putting things in listen. I love lists, listics, listicals. They're 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:40.679 they're useless, usually not full of any um like you know, 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.919 good information. They're not enlightening in any way. It's just 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.359 a way for you to to get mad at somebody 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.560 else's opinion. Said about someone else's opinion on the Internet. 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:54.200 Top five things that I ranked that I don't know about. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.439 So anyway, I'm excited though. Okay, so I figured for 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:02.320 this first Phil's Picks list ranking order, I've decided to 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:07.560 come out, come out hot I'm coming in hot um, 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:12.080 I'm coming in with with the I ranked the the 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:23.040 current ten films in the Star Wars and as we know, 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.320 no one has an opinion about Star Wars on the Internet. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.880 In fact, most people write it. I had at least 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.280 three emails or four emails of people that were hoping 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.000 that you would do this with your segment Star Wars. 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:37.159 But Marvel, what's the c Yeah, Medical Center Unit? Was 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.760 it close? Marvel Cinematic Universe m CU was thrown out there. 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:42.639 A lot people are suggesting what you might do with this. 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.720 Oh no, I don't. I don't. I don't care about 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:46.880 the MC as much as I do about as much 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:51.200 about hit them hard. Okay, coming in uh number ten, 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.840 We're gonna start from the bottom. This includes the all 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:58.680 the films, the Cannon films in the Skywalker saga. There's 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.560 ten is there ten total? There's tent total? And then 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:06.520 this Christmas number eleven, Rise of Skywalker the final film. 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:08.560 Because here's the thing, there's that can't be the final 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.479 It will be final film until like fifteen years from 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:14.680 the final film of the Skywalker saga. Man um because 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.680 there are currently eight of like the main movies, and 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:21.960 there's two anthology movies Solo a Star Wars story and 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.520 Rogue one a Star Wars story. Here's where I watch 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.520 these things on a plane and then I fall asleep 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.640 halfway through them. Then you're gonna love this. Number ten. 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.199 I had a tough time picking between two films, Attack 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:38.720 of the Clones or The Phantom Menace. Those are episodes 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.560 two and one, respectively. Yeah, those were the second time 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.240 they started coming out with them, right, Yes, Phantom Menace 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.639 came out in I remember thinking how has all this 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.840 time passed? And it looks like because they were that 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.479 was a prequel, right, the prequel. I remember thinking, how 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:57.520 is this a prequel? But the spaceships look more advanced. Uh, 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:02.080 well the Republic fell, then that's what these films are about. Continue, 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:07.200 So number ten, Attack the Clones may I I many 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.640 consider this the worst of the Star Wars films, as 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:14.280 do I. Um, it's Hayden a lot of it got 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.480 a lot of flak for the performance of Anakin Skywalker 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:19.720 by Hayden Christensen, who does a little bit better in 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.560 Revenge of the Sith. But he comes in strong, comes 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.840 in like a little whiney brat right out of the gate. 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:28.919 You hate him. Um, But I I brought up some 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.679 dialogue from this movie that I would like to I 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:38.720 would like to read you're reading dialogue, um this this 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:42.480 music doesn't fit the dialogue, and I'm going to read, Uh, 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.280 so it was panned a lot for Also it's it's 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:49.200 just it's horrible representation of the love story between Anakin 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:53.080 and pad May and featuring some dialogue such as this Anakin, 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.800 from the moment I met you all those years ago. 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.280 Not a day has gunn by when I haven't thought 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.920 of you, And now that I'm with you again, I'm 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.760 I'm in agony. The closer I get to you, the 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.679 worse it gets the thought of not being with you. 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:10.520 I can't breathe. I'm haunted by the kiss that you 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.840 should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:18.439 that the kiss will not become a scar. You're in 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.639 my very soul, tormenting me. What can I do? I 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.960 will do anything you ask. If you are self suffering 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:28.199 as much as I am, please tell me anyway. Horrible 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:33.960 number nine. The Phantom Menace Episode one h features two 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:37.680 pretty great sequences, the pod race and the final lightsaber 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:42.440 duel with Darth Maul and Obi Wan and Quigon. Other 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.840 than that, um, it's pretty stilted and boring and has 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:50.159 to do about tax taxes, Oh boy, Star war taxes 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:52.800 a long time ago and far far away taxes. There 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:57.880 are tax issues tariffs not exciting, and George George Lucas says, 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:01.159 these films are for kids. Number eight, it's like Texas. Yeah, 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.600 Revenge of the Sith three, that's what the dude had, 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:09.040 the double sided lightsaber. That was Phantom Menace episode one. 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:12.720 What's that guy's name, Darth Maul. He got cut in half, 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:19.280 somehow survived. That's fine. It's Revenge of the Sith and 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.560 again becomes Darth Vader. Everything goes to ship. The Jedi 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.960 are all executed except for Yoda and Obi one. Um, 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:30.040 it's okay. It has its moments, but overall it's still 0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:34.720 poorly written and directed. My take, are you gonna play 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.280 this the entire time? I'm planning on it? Okay? Um? 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:42.080 This up the actual listen, do you want me to 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:45.880 have the second Let me give me a time. Lis've 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:48.919 been going. We haven't even going for twenty minutes. Okay. Uh. 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.800 The the actual story of the prequels is good. Okay. 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:57.760 Do you have Chancellor Palpatine working in the shadows as 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.480 Darth Sidious nobody knows is it the sixth Air Rising? 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.600 And he's kind of pulling the strings. When is Samuel L. 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.040 Jackson coming in the Senate. He gets killed in this movie. 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:10.040 He does, he does. He gets arms chopped off the building, 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.720 Mace windew He gets arms chopped off and then thrown 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:14.920 out of a building. That seems a little excessive. It 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:16.359 is very You could just throw him right out of 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.639 the building, let his arms attached, and well he was 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.040 holding a lightsaber with one of those arms, so just 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:25.840 kind of disarming him. Okay. Number seven Uh, Anyway, the 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.320 story of the prequels is good. They are just poorly executed. 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.760 Number seven Solo a Star Wars story. This is the 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:34.719 Hans Solo origin film that came out year or two 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:37.720 ago recently. I saw in theaters, was not very impressed. 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.640 Watched it again the other night. Better than I remembered. 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:45.679 He has fun. Donald Glover is Lando Um, Donald Glover, 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:51.120 He's he's fun. Uh. Woody Harrelson plays a like a gangster, 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:54.320 like a it's it's it's good. It's better than you 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.800 think it is. Number six Force Awakens. This was the first, 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:00.720 the first sequel movie that came out a few years ago. 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.119 This is the first one with Oh Yeah, Daisy Ridley 0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:07.879 is Ray Adam Driver. It's Kyler Wren, Harrison Ford and 0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:12.080 carry Fisher returning. Yeah, yeah, old Harrison for old Harrison Ford. 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:16.240 He dies in this one. He is murdered by his son. Um. 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.800 It was a lot of It was a blast after 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.919 the prequels because it just kind of was a nostalgia hit. 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.840 But it just retread everything. There was another death start 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:27.959 pretty much another random kid on a sand plant. Everybody 0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.159 who gets the Force, everybody gets like cut up by 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.880 their father or son. Yeah. See that's it's it's there's 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:37.480 too much family stuff, which, um, we got enough family issues. 0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:39.480 It's fun, but it doesn't do anything new. It's just 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:41.359 kind of like you like Star Wars. Here's more of it, 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:45.879 but it's okay. Number five, Return of the Jedi. This 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:49.760 is the episode six, the final of the original three films, 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:55.000 um where Darth Vader fulfills the prophecy and brings balance 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.800 to the Force by murdering the Emperor. Which one is 0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.520 the one with the e walks? That's this one? This one? Yeah, dude, 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:04.640 the killer Teddy Bears from the Forest's great. They're fun. 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.120 A lot of people hate on him. They're great again. 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.000 They live in these movies there for children. Number four, 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:11.720 the Last Jedi. This might be a hot take a 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:13.440 lot of people thought that this was the most recent 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:17.199 film that came out. Oh yeah, everyone said that they 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.320 ruined Star Wars because it but listen, they were trying 0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:26.000 new things. And I think that because the Luke Skywalker 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:28.960 has turned his back on the Jedi, and for good reason. 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:30.920 He's living on an island. He's living on an island 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:37.160 by himself with like some weird creatures. Caretakers, caretakers um. 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.720 This film brought in a lot of new ideas that 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:43.960 had never been talked about in Stars before, Like maybe 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.720 the Jedi aren't that good because they, like the whole 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:48.520 prequel films are about how they just sat on their 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:50.360 ass while the Sith like rose to power. The Jedi 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.400 had no idea, and Luke mentioned that this movie it's like, yeah, 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.560 the Jedi actually kind of suck. Yeah, he's switching to 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.800 good point, Luke. Uh, Laura Dern is good, but she's 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:00.880 kind of out of place in this movie. So it's 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:05.280 Benicio del Toro. You don't even remember this, do you do. 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:09.000 He's kind of like a he's like a smuggler, code breaker. 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.160 I don't know, he's just he's a he ends up 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:17.120 betraying people anyway. Last Jedi overall very it's good. But 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.920 the Luke Kylo Ray stuff is great, the best stuff 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.360 Star Wars has ever done. Number three Rogue One? Whoa 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.240 Rogue One? This is the other anthology movie. This is 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.480 This takes place literally minutes before a New Hope, the 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.520 first Star Wars movie. It's about taking the plans for 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:34.960 the Death Star and getting them to Princess Leiah so 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:39.120 she can bring them to the rebellion. Um did you 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.040 see this film? No? Okay, it's very good. It's kind 0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.320 of explores the more, kind of like scummy, weird, underground 0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:50.240 Star Wars universe. Um, it's great. There's a really cool 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.000 sequence of Darth Vader at the end that is just 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:56.120 it gives me chills every time. But it's kind of 0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:58.840 cool because it takes place literally minutes before the first 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.840 film starts. Uh and spoiler alert, everyone dies, which is 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.160 kind of fun. All the main characters. Jeez man, they 0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.680 get blown up. It's a game of Thrones. I'm like, 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:09.440 why do more people got well going into it? You 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:11.280 know they're all they're all gonna die because they're not 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:12.680 in any of the other movies, and because you know 0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.080 they're toast. But they sacrifice themself for the greater good. 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:16.720 Number two A New Hope, the first Star Wars movie. 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.120 It's just great. It's just it holds up. It's all 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:22.800 New Hope. It's all told from the perspective of these 0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:27.920 two weird droids. Um, and it's just you know, it's 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.880 the hero's journey. It's Joseph Joseph Campbell. It's good and evil. 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.400 It's just fun. It's a blast. Hairson Ford brings a 0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.960 lot of needed like swagger and coolness to this really weird, 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.560 dumb universe that kind of set the tone for the 0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:44.400 rest of the most movies. Number one Empire Strikes Back. 0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:48.520 Of course, it's great. It's it's it's great. It's cliche, 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.720 but everything about it is perfect. Um. Harrison Ford is 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.080 somehow even cooler in this movie than the first one, 0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:01.840 the you know classic I Am Your Father. Um, it's 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:06.480 just it's really well shot, cinematography is beautiful, Mark Hamill, Fisher, 0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:12.680 Billy d Williams. Yep. Anyway, that is the official th HC. 0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:18.440 Dark Hannon list of Star Wars ranking of all the 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.280 things I've done to you, this is like your dream 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.640 to have a you want to have like Star Wars 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:24.320 so how long? How long did that go? That went 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.600 for about ten minutes? I could have easily I mean 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:28.800 I was rushing, you rushed through it. I could run 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.120 under a way that more detail. For those of you 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.960 that are still with us, uh, welcome back to the 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:40.360 Honey Collective. That was Dr Phil's Medicine Woman's top ten list. 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:45.760 Um right in with your thoughts about that. Uh, listen, 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:47.520 I can change my mind about this in five minutes. 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:52.600 But also it's cannon and it's irrefutable, so don't even 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.920 don't even don't refute Phil's top This is the list 0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.480 of ten. Empire strikes back number one. If you have 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.520 a different opinion, it's wrong. This is the right one. 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:03.640 Welcome to the Internet. That's how that's how it goes 0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.280 here on the internet. Okay, Phil, you did a great job. 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:11.800 I'm proud of you. You have lived your dream. You 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:15.680 want to have a Star Wars podcast, don't you? Not necessarily? 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:19.480 I just maybe like you want to talk about not 0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:23.280 like a multi episode podcast. Well, thank you to everyone 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:28.040 listening for giving Phil his dream, Phil Mango, the whole family. 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.160 Thanks you. You seem defeated. You seem deflated right now. 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.240 You seem like you regret every decision that led to 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:40.280 this moment. I don't. That was not believable. That like 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:41.800 every time you're like, yeah, I love just be on 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:46.760 this show. All right? Moving on that great? Thanks Phil, 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:50.239 that was one of the best times ever. You're welcome. Um, 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:55.520 I'm sure everyone is still on board. Thanks, So we're 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:59.040 gonna move on. Do you have any um Britain like 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:03.080 sound effects, like maybe a song that speaks to the 0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:06.600 United Kingdom? What's the when they play when the queen 0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:13.280 Boks in the room? Pay one play that. Now we're 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.600 gonna do a little international portion of the show and 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.120 we're gonna get to our talk with Mark Kenyon on 0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.760 the back forty about the back forty before that, we've 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:24.800 got a couple of really good emails from people living 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:33.239 over Yonder. The first one it's entitled how Lucky you Are? 0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.440 And this one struck me. It's a long one so 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:39.160 I won't read it all. But this guy's names John. 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.840 He lives in the UK and he's got some perspective 0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:48.760 for us. Um, I'm from the UK and over here 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.600 are our model of hunting is extremely different. We have 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.120 no public lands, we were able to hunt, We're not 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:58.120 able to hunt with a bow at all. Almost everything 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.240 land wise is private and require people to pay the 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.760 odds just for the experience of a rifle hunt. At 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.320 the very least, we are a nation that has almost 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.800 but forgotten our rich hunting heritage, and there are absolutely 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.160 no predators to keep the spiraling deer populations and check 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.480 other than us. The issue is always finding permission to 0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.120 use any of the private land to hunt on. It's 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:23.680 ridiculously difficult. Our country is currently looking at banning all 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.640 trophy imports and this could spill over into importing harvested meat, 0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:31.680 making international trips where hunting is supported almost worthless too. 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.640 I personally don't condone hunting animals for sport. I yearned 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.320 a hunt for me, for food and to provide my 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:42.920 family and do Due to misinformation and the rise of 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.960 social media outrage, small pockets of people are controlling how 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.200 hunters are perceived in the media and viewed by those 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:53.080 who maybe have no opinion. Fox hunting is flashpoint for 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.759 our anti hunters, but this year our government and a 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:59.160 knee jerk reaction to a very very few local folks 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.840 have even stop the hunting of wood pigeons and Corvid's 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.440 for a time. Two birds that decimate crops and lambs 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:09.320 we can fish, but unless you're on the coast or 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:12.000 in the mountains of Scotland, it's probably best you don't 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.520 eat them due to the very bad river pollution. We 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:18.400 can hunt ducks, pheasants and goose, along with other smaller 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:22.239 wild game again if you can get the seemingly unattainable permission. 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:24.719 If you do manage to hunt these game birds, there 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:28.040 are animal rights groups that actively head out to sabotage 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:32.960 your day and stop your hunts. Hunting for food is alien. 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.879 Hunting for conservation is an unspoken subject, and as I've 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.680 learned more hunting about hunting, it makes me feel frustrated, 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:44.680 restricted and totally hollow. We are pretty much a nation 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.920 of supermarket users. Our children have no idea where their 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.600 food comes from, and what small amount of hunting culture 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:53.680 we have is severely under threat, and regardless of what 0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.200 type of hunting you for take in, you are demonized. 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.439 Regardless of any hunting issues you may come to face 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.040 in the u S. Please always remember how lucky you 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.360 are and that you have a system that supports you. 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:07.960 For the most part. In this solemn story, you can 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:10.640 you can hunt our native deer here in the UK 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.560 if you're willing to pay. Of course, some places are 0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.720 more reasonable price wise, so it's possible to fill the freezer. 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:21.760 So it's not all doom and gloom. Kindness regards John. 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:25.520 That's that's it's a lot of doom and gloom though, 0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:30.279 say I just felt in reading that. We feel as 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.560 though we had a podcast recently a lot of people 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:36.560 wrote in about Clay Nucom's feeling that we shouldn't give 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.080 an inch, right, we shouldn't give anything anything up to 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:42.879 this shifting culture. We should we should hold the ground. 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.400 What was his term, guard the gate? Guard the gate, 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:48.360 We should guard the gate. Now, if you want to 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.360 find a good argument for guarding the gate, this would 0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:54.160 be one of them. Now, there's a lot of different 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:58.719 things happening within the culture of Britain, the UK, Scotland, 0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:04.200 the British ailes in total. But this just tells you 0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:07.400 there's there's one guy over there's feeling real, real depressed 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:10.560 about it, Phil real depressed about it. So good perspective 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:15.239 for all of us who enjoy our hunting heritage here 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:19.640 in the United States, Oh America. Now moving on to Scotland, 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:24.279 back in episode what the hell ever? Number maybe eighty 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.719 five was whiskey and ethics l eighty four, eighty four 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:31.719 was whisky and ethics doesn't really matter. In episode eighty four, 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.120 we'll call it we did a whiskey and ethics on 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.319 the gripping granted in that we talked about a young 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:40.040 lady who went to Scotland um shot some animals and 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:45.160 stirred up an outrage. Uh Ian Henderson wrote in from 0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:47.840 over There, he's a Scott living in the US, and 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:53.080 he wanted to help paint the picture of why Scotland 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:57.279 hated this young lady and why the backlash occurred. He said, 0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.319 I feel that Steve talking about Steve Rinella totally missed 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.800 the culture points related to why the lady who shot 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:05.960 the goat got such a backlash in Skytle. It's not 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:08.560 just because she was wearing a tweed suit. Scott's love 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:12.680 fairness and hard work. They hate elitists. If someone spends 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:14.359 a bunch of money to pay someone to do their 0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.440 dirty work, if they don't need to work hard and 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.640 they somehow look clean when everyone else is dirty and wet, 0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.600 they're going to be labeled as a twat, a tube, 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:27.640 a wanker, a ball bag, or some other creative insults. 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:31.560 I can think of one that I thought. I thought 0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:32.920 you were filling in that game. No I was not. 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.480 He this is I'm still reading from got it, just 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.280 reading from it, he said, Let me paint a picture 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.000 of the American equivalent scenario and see how you might feel. 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:48.040 Chester Framingham the third is a wealthy stockbroker from New 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:51.080 York City. He flies to a high fence operation in 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.920 Texas and ghost hunting. This particular high fence operation is small, 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.600 a couple of hundred acres at most. It has a 0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.160 lot of easements across it, so the animals are highly 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.880 habituated to people. He chooses Texas because it's quaint and authentic. 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:07.719 He has paid a hundred thousand dollars for this hunt 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:10.520 and lets everyone know about it. He's dressed from head 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.880 to toe in Patagonia gear in various pastel shades. He 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.319 uses a four h and h double rifle to kill 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.160 a steer from twenty five yards. Chester poses for his photos. 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.439 Chester likes to kill stuff for fun, and they don't 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.360 have cows in New York City. Chester is sparkling clean 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:29.800 despite their being a tornado and driving rain. Everyone nearby 0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:32.439 is cold, wet, and wind blown, but Chester the Third 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:35.080 and his people keep him out of the elements so 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:38.120 he looks perfect for the photo. He leaves the cow 0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:40.359 to the ranch owner to clean up. That won't fit 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.560 in his private jet, and New York won't allow the 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.839 meat to be imported anyway. Nothing illegal or necessarily an 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.080 ethical about Chester's hunt. The cow was soon to be 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:51.840 slaughtered anyway, and died extremely quickly. But everything about that 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.479 seems out of place, elitist and frankly, you're thinking Chester 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.040 framed in the third is a prick. I'm all right? 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.440 Is still still read an email checking in on that. 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:06.240 Hunting is already a highly elite activity in the United 0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:09.560 Kingdom due to the nature of private property and game laws. 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.440 On top of that, right to rome and the small 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:16.760 size of the property, combined with almost zero hunter pressure 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:20.560 means wild isn't what you think it is, and isn't 0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:24.120 an American. All that baggage and context was piled onto 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.520 the grip and Grind controversy. It was about a rich 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:31.440 foreign asshole abusing the privilege, wasting meat and killing for fun. 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.640 It was little to do with hunting, whether the meat 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.000 was ultimately waste. It doesn't matter. It was clear she 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.560 wasn't eating it at all. She was killing more than 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:42.720 she needed. She was a local lass and a wool sweater, 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.800 grimly cutting the throat of a lamb for Sunday lunch 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:50.440 with no joy or fanfare. Then no controversy would have 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:55.000 been had. Also, it's pronounced ila. The s and the 0:40:55.239 --> 0:41:01.560 y in Ila are silent cheers like that little jab 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:02.960 at the end. Now, if you want to go back 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.520 and listen to our conversation, we did talk about the 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:08.600 young lady that went over to Scotland and created this 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:14.640 by killing a goat on the island that obviously routes 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.080 people up. And so when I read that on our 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.000 first it's extremely well written, So thank you for that. Ian. 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:24.080 I will remember our our new friend Chester Framington's third 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.880 as long as I might live. So it's good to 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:31.880 have some real perspective, uh well written perspective from the 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.759 folks over there. So thanks to our international contingent Phil 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:41.920 play the music, uh the UK music. I like that 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.400 you bookend every do. I just kinda do it at 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.080 the beginning and the end. That's it. If that's my 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.080 new strategy, it seems to be working. People are into 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:52.960 it maybe, so that's it. I got a lot of 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.160 other emails that came in from a lot of other 0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.320 very uh smart individuals that listen to the show. So 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:04.239 thank you. I enjoy the discourse. I enjoy reading what 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:06.200 you have to say. It's a big part of why 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:10.440 I do this. UM. Even though the social media contings 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.120 you can sometimes be a little bit, how we say, 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.960 dick ish, the emails that come into TC at the 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:19.000 meetator dot com are always enlightening and always well crafted. 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.759 So thank you so much for that. It makes this 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.239 a lot easier, makes it worth and so we'll keep 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.960 reading those, keep sending the th HC at the meat 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.200 Eator dot com. T HC at the meat Eator dot 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:34.239 com feeling good, philm being great. Let's see one more 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.720 thing before we go to the back for you, speaking 0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:43.759 of social media dick ishness, I feel I need to 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:48.360 address something quickly, and we'll do it quickly. There's a 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.040 lot of people saying out there on the internet. I've 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.000 read a few people saying and then I've had a 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.560 couple of people mentioned this to me that it has 0:42:55.600 --> 0:43:01.120 been UM. It has been positive that I and one 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:05.400 guy wrote swinging on the nuts of Stephen Ronnella, swinging 0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:11.680 on the nuts Stephen Ronella, riding the coattails what other 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:17.560 things that people say, Um, whatever, we got it, we 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:22.320 got it drafting Steven. A lot of people saying that, 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:24.759 I feel like that's a little bit, that's a kind 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:29.640 of a pot shot, bullshit way of ah high school insults, 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:31.920 And I get it. That's what the internet it's all about. 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:34.320 I'm I'm with you. But here's what I'll say to you. 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:39.000 I joined a company run by Stephen Rinella, moved my 0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:43.600 family to Bozeman, Montana to follow his ideas and his company, 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:48.480 and so absolutely I'm riding his coattails that, there's no 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:50.719 doubt about that, Like, that's part of this company. We 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:54.080 wanted to come together under his leadership and under the 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.840 idea that Meat Eater could be more than just Steve 0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:00.200 and would be more than just Steve. So for those 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.640 of you that are leveling that criticism, I hear you, 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:07.279 and you're wrong. Well, actually I hear you, and you're right. 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:10.000 You're right, but for the wrong reason, right, but for 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:14.200 the wrong reasons. I absolutely am riding his coattails. And 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.640 I was very clear about that in the beginning, and 0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:20.440 so I will be clear again that I absolutely am 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:24.040 looking forward to continually riding the coattails of what he 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:29.320 created with our company, making it better, expanding it, and 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:33.600 expanding the ideas and what we stand for. So I'll 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:35.920 just address that there in case you were wondering, in 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:39.520 case you were leveling those high school bully type of 0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:42.800 bullshit insults. You keep doing it, but just know that 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:46.120 I agree with you, and so take that for what 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:49.720 it is. Now we're going to the back forty enjoy. 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:58.239 I guess I grew up on an older road. Hey, 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:04.239 we're here in mark, kenyans in laws camper. Yes, sir, 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:10.240 it's a unique environment. I find you. You keep acting 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:12.799 like this is some bizarre thing. I no, no, I'm 0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:17.719 not acting. It's four dudes, one camper. It's turned out 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:23.840 to ye, it's about after this releases four dudes, one camper. 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.799 But yeah, I mean, it's it's fine, there's nothing wrong 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:29.319 with it. I just find that it's nice. It's nice 0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.120 to make light of sleeping in your in laws camper. 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:36.640 Thanks to Tim and Lisa what's your last name? Bernst Bernstein, 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:40.839 very very letting you racious of them borrow the sun 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:45.440 Dance camper. Right, campers underselling it's a big fifth wheel. 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:47.920 It's big. I think I think Bend is maybe just 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.160 a little jaded towards it because of a sleeping arrangement 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.440 the last couple of nights. Let me describe. We're here 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.880 on the back forty. Uh. If you watch the show 0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:59.280 or listen to this podcast, you may hear the sounds 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.759 of cars drive by. It's very annoying to me. There's 0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.920 a road right where we sleep on the back forty, 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.759 and there's this is like a rule. There's like four 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:12.560 houses on this whole road, and then it's like the 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:16.399 belt way out there. People tear through it. What's going on? Mark, 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.839 I don't understand it. You don't have no answer, all right, 0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:23.040 but people definitely use a lot more than you'd expect. Yeah, 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:26.440 So if you've watched the show and you hear, wow, 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:29.640 that's what's going down. If you're here to here too. 0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:36.200 But the back forty provides it? Does? It's sure? Ship does? Um? 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.880 Tim and Lisa gave you this fifth wheel camper and 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.040 it has you know, you give me a tour of it. 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:45.040 But it has a bedroom which you as like a 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:49.399 king bed. Is that a temper. It's a full size bed, 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:51.880 a full size bed, same size as your mattress. Is 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:58.240 it temperate, We'll get to that. It's definitely. It's not tempting, 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:03.239 but it's very comfortable. It's gotta quilt that's and then 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.319 you sleep there. It's kind of like like the Master 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:11.000 Sweet and does the Master Sweet and uh. Attached to 0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:15.200 that is the bathroom, Yes, which tends to get when 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:18.400 you turn the furnace on, gets hot. Hot box, the 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:20.960 hot the hot air pipes in the rooms were pooped 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:26.279 in just a hot room. This eth it. And then 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.080 when you're done pooping, what do you do? Mark? What's 0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:32.359 the process? Well, because we're out here and it's very cold, Um, 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:36.800 we can't have you know, the plumbing working in a 0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:40.800 camper like this right now, so we have to flush 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.239 the toilet with a jug of anti freeze. So we've 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.759 just got a black tank on the camper that's full 0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:51.160 of our stuff and anti freeze keep it from freezing up. Nice. Nice, 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.080 You've never you've not lived until you've woken up in 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:57.600 the morning to the smell of human feces and anti freeze. 0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:01.719 Just heat it up like a hot pocket. Yes, the 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:06.480 Sweet Sweet smell of November. So but we're here. We're 0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:08.480 here also with with Hunter, who just woke up from 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:12.080 a nap. Hey, Hunter, Hey, how's it going? Just woke up? Sleep, 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:16.319 creezes still fresh in his face, very fresh. We'll make 0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:20.720 lots of moaning noises. And then we have Jordan's Hello. 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:28.840 They're both with Captured Creative, the creative element behind the 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:34.200 back forty all the wonderful filming, the wonderful editing, the 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:38.360 music at tension, the resolution, the conflict, all of that. 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:43.520 It's all these guys. It's all Jordan's Hunter and Taylor Taylor. Yeah, 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:45.880 shout out to Taylor's back. Probably right now, just in 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:55.480 a dark room with headphones on, listening to market. So anyway, continue. 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:58.400 There's a nice little kitchen at here, a little stove, 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:02.600 a microwave is in a freezer, all very nicely adorned. 0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:04.880 There's a little table. We're sitting at a little table 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:11.239 um where Jordan's would sleep. The table turns into a bed, 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:14.640 very short bed. It's the shortest bed I've ever seen. 0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:18.120 Can't stretch out. The bed is about four and a 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:21.680 half feet long. Very it's long. It's very compact. How 0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:23.600 have you been doing that? Do you sleep diagonally or 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:26.560 do you curl? No, well, yeah, diagonally, but I end 0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:33.600 up curling because okay, so it's not perfectly like a 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:37.279 child anyway. That's where Jordan's sleeps. Uh. And then if 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:41.160 you go over to the other side of the fifth wheel, 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:43.800 there's a nice uh it looks like it was it 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:47.080 a couch that turns into a blow up bed. That's 0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:51.040 where Connor was just sleeping. He's woken up still a 0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:54.920 bit groggy apparently. Apparently it's pretty comfy. It's comfy apparently. 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:59.680 And then that's that's all the beds that this comes with. 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:04.759 But there's one extra person. That's me, the last person 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:08.080 to show up. Last person to show up. I slept 0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:12.480 on an air mattress purchased at probably Walmart. I think 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:14.759 it probably was probably Royal Wall and we'll get get 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:19.759 to that soon. I slept on it the first night. 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:21.800 I blew it up and I had a little sleeping 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:24.520 bag and a couple of pillows. It was actually really comfortable. 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:29.320 Problem is the furnace. Event for the furnace is that 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:32.280 basically my level when I lay down on the ground. 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:36.400 The other problem with that is that there was a 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:39.280 hole in the air mattress somewhere that we've got to determine. 0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.600 So my wife told me that she thinks that it 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:44.719 is used your air. She says she was having this 0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:48.719 issue and there's two valves and she wasn't closing one 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.360 of them. There's two of them, yeah, the other I 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:55.200 know it. I trust me, sure, trust me. I'm not sure. No, 0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:59.800 that is there's no way to be a hunter. But 0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.480 I'm gonna be sleeping on it tonight, so I'm gonna 0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:05.560 fiddle with it some more. It'll probably, I'm sure, but 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:07.959 I there is two valves, right, There's a main valve 0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:10.719 and then little cap that screws in. So I was 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:15.840 screwing both those in and clicking them in slowly, I 0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:19.239 mean slowly. I would go to sleep with a full 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:23.000 air mattress, just pretty comfortable and then warm from the furnace, 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:25.600 like it was going to sleep in a very comfortable position, 0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:28.520 and I would wake up like I was in some 0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:32.360 kind of burrito or something of sadness with this like 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:37.400 deflated now air mattress, and then I would be it 0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:40.840 would be like a hundred degrees on the floor, so 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:44.959 I'd be just sweaty and I'd be laying basically laying 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:48.200 at this point on the Lenolian floor of the kitchen. 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.560 It was struggling. This stands, yeah, help me understand it. 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:54.640 What rate this is happening? So what time do you 0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:57.600 wake up in this state of affairs? Well, I'm so tired, 0:51:58.200 --> 0:52:00.560 I'm so tired from this hunting that we do that 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:02.120 I don't really know. It would be like three in 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:04.040 the morning, probably going to be the first time I 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:06.520 went to bed at midnight, woke up at three, and 0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:10.360 I was completely on the floor covered in sweat. So 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:12.200 I was trying to like you ever seen the ace 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:14.320 Ventura or he's trying to crawl out of the rhino. 0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:16.600 It's kind of what I was like, Yeah, that's what 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:19.239 I was like, Jordan knows exactly what you're talking about. 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:22.040 It was like that. And then the second morning was 0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:24.480 basically the same. I had confidence every time it must 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.440 be a user air. If I just fiddle with this valve, 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:28.560 if I just turned this valve with all my might 0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:30.600 and I talked to it and I tell it to 0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:33.560 not let any air out, it'll be fine. Each night 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:37.920 though the best part wasn't it didn't deflate like completely. 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:39.839 There was like a depression where you were. So it's 0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:43.080 just enough to make a struggle to get outside. It 0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:46.680 was like the han Ever, it's like the saddest hammock ever, 0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:51.799 as as are you doing all right? Hunter? You wake it? Yeah, 0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:56.840 I'm getting there. You're getting there. He's feeling it. That 0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:00.840 gets me to like, so I somehow I'm up in 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:03.920 chipper and I'm having back problems probably for the rest 0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:06.840 of my life. You need coffee. I do need coffee, 0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:10.080 but I don't drink it, never had it. I don't 0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:12.920 even care. I'm just gonna keep on, keep on pushing 0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:15.520 it though. All right, Well, the point of this podcast 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:20.040 was not to make fun or point fingers at any 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:23.000 kind of air, mattress or camper. But we're gonna go 0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:26.440 back in time and tell the whole story. I have 0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:30.439 a property called the Back forty and as a de side, 0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:33.360 you can hear the furnaces turned on in the fifth wheel. 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:36.560 You can imagine if hopefully you can hear that, I 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:39.600 hope that's audible. That's air that would have been blowing 0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:44.040 on me each night and sweating me out my sleeping bag. 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:47.000 Good thing. It was a fifteen degree bag and it 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:50.400 wasn't like a negative degree bag. Well, the first night 0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:53.160 we didn't run the furnace in that fifteen degree bag 0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:54.640 or zero to green bag would have come in handy 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.560 because it's pretty cold. Hunter forgot to bring a sleeping bag, 0:53:57.760 --> 0:53:59.399 so he just tried to find every blank he could 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:02.000 find and up into a ball and hibernated underneath it 0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:04.719 as best as could. Yeah, I mean, we're four men 0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:07.640 who have not showered in some time, we have very 0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:11.320 little sleep, and we've been eating all kinds of like 0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:15.600 just terrible foods. It says it's it's tough out here. 0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:18.640 It's the rut, it's tough out here at the back forty. 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:23.840 It's no joke. Back forty is a me as I 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:26.680 said one time. Um, so we gotta go back and 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:28.279 tell the whole story the back forty because if you 0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:32.000 don't know what the back forty is, you're missing out. 0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:34.399 So stop now. You're not allowed to go any further 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.800 than this podcast. Until you stop. You go to the 0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:41.439 Mediator YouTube and you watch all the episodes. It's gonna 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:44.120 be three episodes. I believe four episodes will be up 0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:46.200 in live by the time This Coast live, So there's 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:50.759 four episodes for your viewing. Pleasure that we're uh that 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:55.200 feature Mark Kenyon, Steve Nnelly, Ones tell us myself and 0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:57.960 a fellow named Luke McCauley in the latest episode over 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:01.600 there at the meeting. YouTube's edited and filmed by Capture Creative. 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:04.839 We're joined by yes, Yes, and here we all are. 0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:07.480 Here we are, and so you go over there and 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:11.560 you watch. Uh. Briefly, Mark described the Back forty project 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:16.279 as it stands right now. So the Back forty is 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:20.000 a project in which we have sought out and then 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:24.359 purchased a small piece of land in Michigan, and our 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:28.120 goal for that piece of property is to learn about 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:32.239 this piece of land, learn about private land conservation, learn 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:37.360 about how you can manage a property like that for biodiversity, 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:41.360 for wildlife, plant life, native species, all these things, and 0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:44.280 trying to figure out can you do that which entails 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:47.480 a whole lot and also manage it for and enjoy 0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:51.160 great hunting. Um. There's a whole lot of folks out 0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:53.480 there that talk about how to find a property or 0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:56.319 how to hunt a property, but there's a whole lot 0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:58.960 less that dive into trying to balance those two things 0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:01.319 and what you can learn along the way. So that's 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:02.719 what we're trying to do. So that's a back for it. 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:05.960 It's a big project from either who ever thought a 0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:08.759 company that you worked for by a property for you 0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:11.080 to manage? Mark Kenyon, did you ever believe it to 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:14.920 be true? Uh? No, I would have never guessed it, 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:18.160 imagined it ahead of time. Um. But it was an 0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:25.320 exciting thing, big, big undertaking, exciting opportunity, fun challenge, stressful challenge, 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:29.000 scary times. Yeah, I want to get a phone call 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:31.440 from Ben at eleven o'clock at night or something like, 0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:35.680 oh no, what has happening now? What has gone wrong? 0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:39.800 So attached to the back forty is a contest that 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:43.160 you've probably heard about here on the show sometimes, and 0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:45.160 that is a contest where you can go right now 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:49.920 to the Meteor dot com slashback forty and enter to 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.560 win a hunt with Steve and Ronella. You'll know that 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:55.680 guy and then also Mark here on the back forty 0:56:55.800 --> 0:57:01.040 next November. So if you already stopped, and you wouldn't 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:03.800 you watch all for those episodes, stop again and go 0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:07.840 to the media dot Com find that enter the wind page, 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:11.839 fill out all the details. An enter to win will 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:13.839 pause to make sure you've done it, and you don't 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:16.960 just win the hunt. We're also gearing you up right. Yeah, 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:18.800 we're gonna gear you up. We're gonna give you stuff. 0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:22.760 But it's not about stuff. It's about experiences, not about commercialism. 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:26.480 Parent meat eater, Peter whiskey. I knew something like that 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:31.000 was coming. Meet whisky. We actually have some meetor whiskey 0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:32.440 over there. We should get it out in the corn. 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:35.840 Go get some hunter that will stretch your stretch your 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:40.320 bones out. Take your headphones off, don't fall over. They 0:57:40.400 --> 0:57:42.880 do work you. Just these ones. You can't hear yourself, 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:46.320 but we can hear you. Oh nice, all right, we 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:48.400 got some Metator whiskey here. We'll break that out while 0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:51.760 we're while we're filming. Do you want to get class 0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:53.640 or something. Yeah, we should get glad. We're just passed 0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:58.120 the bottle around. It's like this is a fine bourbon whiskey. 0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:04.480 We can't drink it out of the bottle. Yeah, shot class, 0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:08.280 that would be nice. I'll tell you what we're celebrating 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:12.240 when Hunter gets the glasses over here. We're celebrating the 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:14.520 end of an episode, but also the end of the 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:19.960 life of the Wide eight, the Wide eight, Goodbye Wide eight. 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:21.360 We're gonna get to that later. This is like a 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.120 non linear podcast where you love those kind of stories. 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:26.480 I love non linear stories. This mark I can tell you. 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:28.960 But anyway, the back forty when do we? When do 0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:33.120 we first like convinced the powers that be at Meat 0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:35.400 Eater that this was a good idea. Well, I was 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:38.640 starting to pitch it internally in folks last November one 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:40.880 year ago, I was pitching it to some folks and 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:43.120 there was some interest in it. And then by December 0:58:43.280 --> 0:58:46.040 we were talking to more people, and by January was 0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:47.600 kind of like, Okay, this is something we think we 0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:52.040 should do. And I think by February I was on 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:55.440 the search trying to find a piece of ground. And 0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:58.720 that's actually I feel. How long was that two months 0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:00.400 that you were looking for? The two months give or 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:04.080 take three? Yeah, just three. I'll take a drink out 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:08.440 of the bottle. All right, we got shots, all right, 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:13.480 just three of us. Okay, cheers, cheers with the with 0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:16.760 the cheers with your thing. Cheers boys taking a shot 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:20.800 of meatia or whiskey here live on the show. I 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:30.400 haven't tried. I haven't tried to punging a roma, hot stings, stings, 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:34.640 the nostrils. It's got I think it's got bits of 0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:39.959 real elk one side. Oh bam, this is uh, that'll 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:43.640 do it. Alcohol by vall shop out of your naprol. 0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:47.400 Good hunt. It's gonna put me back too bad Meatia 0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:49.680 straper will see pear as well with just about anything, 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:53.200 but we prefer it with freshly prepared wild game. There 0:59:53.240 --> 0:59:58.240 you go, or in a trailer with your friends. Either 0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:01.840 that's let's I don't get us going feeling good? Hunter? 1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:05.400 You wake now? Yeah, you're still working those sleep creases 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:08.600 pretty good. I like it. I like what you're bringing 1:00:08.640 --> 1:00:10.160 to the table. A's far you. I haven't said much, 1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:12.720 but what you said is impactful. Well you gave me 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:17.840 like a whole twenty seconds to prepare. Yeah, that's all right, 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:23.760 don't worry about it. Marks getting his social doing this 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:26.760 social media anyway, back to the story of the back forty. 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:30.880 Mark had this idea that we would buy a property, right, so, uh, 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:34.400 we did buy a property, which I was always shocked 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:36.000 at because I've been in the industry a while and 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:38.600 I've always thought every place i've been I've made a 1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:40.720 suggestion like, hey, how about we buy a hunting property 1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:43.320 and I'll help you with it, hunt it, and it'll 1:00:43.360 --> 1:00:47.560 be like ours together corporation. And the corporation never said 1:00:47.680 --> 1:00:52.160 yes until Stephen Ronnella gave us the thumbs up to 1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:55.920 do this. But but he had some very strict, what 1:00:56.080 --> 1:01:00.439 I would say is very strict stipulations Mark about doing this. Yeah, 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:04.800 and it was. It was. It was a good h 1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:07.520 balance at it was just good and put. It was 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:09.520 good and put to help make sure that we were 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:12.720 looking at this thing from the big picture, which was 1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:16.720 make sure this isn't just about big bucks and deer hunting. 1:01:17.640 --> 1:01:21.240 Mark him talking about me, he knows I'm really into 1:01:21.240 --> 1:01:23.520 white tail hunting. I get excited about chasing those big 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:26.040 old bucks, which is great. A lot of people are 1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:28.480 interested in that. But there's also a lot more going on. 1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:31.800 And we wanted to take a unique look at this place. 1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:34.520 So how can we tell the story of a small 1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:37.000 property and hunting a small property, but also look at 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:38.960 what else is going on out there, the birds and 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:43.960 the bees and the small mammals and watersheds, turkeys and 1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:46.760 all the things going on on these places. How do 1:01:46.880 --> 1:01:50.440 we tell that story too? And Uh, And that was 1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:53.800 kind of the impetus for making the back forty what 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:56.440 it is, which is not just another deer hunting show. Yeah, 1:01:56.440 --> 1:01:59.000 I think behind the scenes wise, it came down to 1:01:59.480 --> 1:02:01.920 we we decided to buy the property, and we had 1:02:02.080 --> 1:02:05.520 purchased the property right we You had said, I got 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:07.200 this property, here's what it looks like, and we all 1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:09.000 talked about it and we said, hey, we dig it. 1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:14.120 But I think I want to say that Steve talked 1:02:14.160 --> 1:02:16.240 to his brother Matt Ronella about the idea, and I 1:02:16.280 --> 1:02:19.360 was like, we're gonna buy this property. We're gonna hunt 1:02:19.360 --> 1:02:21.400 it for white tails, we're gonna film and make content, 1:02:21.440 --> 1:02:23.760 and then we're gonna give the property away. We're gonna 1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:25.600 a hunt away, but also at the very end of 1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:29.040 the whole thing, give away the properties some lucky meat 1:02:29.080 --> 1:02:33.720 eater fan, audience member, whatever. We're gonna give it away 1:02:34.000 --> 1:02:36.160 to something like the idea was, we're just going to 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:38.760 give it away. Right. We hadn't decided on and still 1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:41.320 really haven't decided on what exactly we're gonna do, but 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:43.640 we know we're gonna we'ren do it this year and 1:02:43.760 --> 1:02:45.760 next year and give it away. That's the plan of 1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:47.160 it stands right now. You can't hold us to that 1:02:47.160 --> 1:02:49.880 because we might change tomorrow. But that's that's what we 1:02:49.960 --> 1:02:52.360 had talked about. And matt Ronelle came back and said, well, listen, 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:58.120 don't be everyone else be meat eater and talked to 1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:00.480 Steve about it, and they and See came back and 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:04.520 they at hatched some ideas about it. And I remember 1:03:04.600 --> 1:03:07.240 thinking how challenging it would be to both film a 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:11.080 show around a concept of deer hunting but also a 1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:14.200 concept of like the greater ecosystem that it's a part of, 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:18.000 and then that marries up into the private lands portion 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:21.480 of the conversation, and on and on we go. I 1:03:21.600 --> 1:03:25.680 remember thinking, oh my god, that's gonna be tough, um, 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:29.959 you know, to to put together. And it it turns 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:33.680 out I was right, it is tough to put together. 1:03:34.640 --> 1:03:37.960 And that's where I think, uh, capture creative comes in. 1:03:38.080 --> 1:03:39.720 We you know, to take you a little bit further 1:03:39.760 --> 1:03:41.200 behind the scenes. We don't like to talk about this 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:42.720 kind of stuff, but it is part of the story. 1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:47.360 We bought the property in what month, closed at the 1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:51.400 very end of April, right, so marketized conversation and I'm 1:03:51.520 --> 1:03:53.840 you know, helping lead the project marks of course the 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:58.440 center point of it. Ah, We're like, yeah, let's get started, 1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:02.640 start filming. We're just gonna go. Let's go, let's go. 1:04:02.800 --> 1:04:04.840 We gotta do stuff. We've run that time. If there 1:04:04.960 --> 1:04:08.320 was anything done, we wait, we don't have any money 1:04:08.800 --> 1:04:13.520 for this, no budget, no plan, no nothing, no content, 1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:16.959 business plan, nobody to document it. So we were ready 1:04:17.000 --> 1:04:21.480 to go. It turns out we were way off because 1:04:21.520 --> 1:04:23.440 it took us a while to get things lined up 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:26.680 and in the biggest thing was just getting everybody a 1:04:26.720 --> 1:04:28.800 line on what we had to do, what we wanted 1:04:28.840 --> 1:04:32.200 to do, what we felt like was necessary. Right. So 1:04:32.360 --> 1:04:33.640 once we all got a line that had to be 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:36.200 about biodiversity, it had to be about everything, not just 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:40.320 bucks um. Then we set about like making a plan 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:43.080 to make the content right. And so that's where we 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:46.520 hatched the idea of seasonal episodes, which you've watched. Hopefully 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:51.360 you've watched four. If you haven't stopped, now welcome back. 1:04:51.960 --> 1:04:54.400 You've now watched four episodes of the back forty. That's 1:04:54.440 --> 1:04:58.680 what we had planned to do about that more. Yeah, Mark, 1:04:58.720 --> 1:05:01.800 it's good, we'll get to that mark because we'll get 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:05.400 to that. We got a long way to go after 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:07.840 they just watched those four ms. Yeah, you've now watched 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:10.040 all four episodes. Wait, we'll wait, go back and watch 1:05:10.120 --> 1:05:13.200 them again. Wait, okay, welcome back for the second time. 1:05:13.280 --> 1:05:19.120 You've now watched about an hour of Mark Kenyon floundering 1:05:19.160 --> 1:05:24.440 about the back already doing everything. But then you know, 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:26.320 so we had those challenges. We had have meetings and 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:28.680 meetings and talk and talk and talk. It's a big 1:05:28.720 --> 1:05:32.120 project for a company like ours, so you know, in 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:34.720 efforts to just kind of give you guys all behind 1:05:34.760 --> 1:05:36.320 the scenes of how this content comes to be, we 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:39.120 had a lot of stress. Like Mark and I had 1:05:39.120 --> 1:05:41.800 a lot of conversations about like, what is going on. 1:05:42.080 --> 1:05:44.400 We're never going to do this. We bought this property 1:05:44.440 --> 1:05:48.320 and it is sitting. It's sitting, and it's useless until 1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:50.440 we can actually make all moves on. Yeah, it is 1:05:50.600 --> 1:05:53.480 not as if we just bought a place and then 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:56.040 just start going doing on things and then someone's gonna 1:05:56.040 --> 1:05:58.800 foll around and record everything and then just magically happens. 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:04.080 There's a whole planning and writing and thinking and debating 1:06:04.160 --> 1:06:06.440 and changing and how many power point presentations do we 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:09.800 make focus a bunch of power points ten thousand word documents. 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:13.040 I can't tell you how many times plans and episodes 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:17.040 and many plans, so many treatments, so many everything. But 1:06:17.600 --> 1:06:18.760 we want to do this right. We want to do 1:06:18.840 --> 1:06:22.360 this the met either way, and that's where we are. 1:06:22.720 --> 1:06:25.480 But there was a lot of market I spent a 1:06:25.520 --> 1:06:27.720 lot of time on the phone in July going like, um, 1:06:29.280 --> 1:06:32.600 what we've got nothing done two and a half months 1:06:32.680 --> 1:06:35.000 after we bought the property, and we have done all 1:06:35.240 --> 1:06:38.200 of nothing, not for like a trying, no, certainly trying, 1:06:38.560 --> 1:06:40.800 just all these logistical things. Yeah, I mean, we finally 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:43.600 marshal the resources, which is a big undertaking, and we 1:06:44.000 --> 1:06:45.720 finally got a plan for what we wanted to do. 1:06:45.960 --> 1:06:50.160 And then we've we called Jordan and Taylor Captured Creative 1:06:50.200 --> 1:06:53.080 and they said, oh my god, what are you talking about. 1:06:53.160 --> 1:06:55.720 That is a terrible idea. No one will ever be 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:59.680 able to do that word for word for word for word. 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:03.320 But we convinced, eventually convinced them that our insanity was 1:07:03.440 --> 1:07:06.960 worth their work. Um, which couldn't have done it without 1:07:07.040 --> 1:07:09.960 them to this point or at any point. And what 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:12.560 it was like the end of July, early August, by 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:15.600 the time we had we had figured all of it 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:18.400 out and got everything aligned, and that by that time, 1:07:18.480 --> 1:07:21.960 anybody who manages their properties for any for any part 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:25.200 of wildlife, let alone dear knows that August is the 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:29.440 time where you're normally just making your little refinements, little changes, 1:07:29.880 --> 1:07:32.960 maybe a hinge cut this, maybe oh little late season, 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:35.200 we'll put some book forward. Judge right there, you do 1:07:35.280 --> 1:07:37.320 you let you do your your fall food plots, if 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:40.400 you're into that kind of thing. That's auguste checking trail cameras, 1:07:40.640 --> 1:07:42.880 we were like, oh crap, what can we do between 1:07:42.920 --> 1:07:45.400 now in the beginning of of deer season, which is 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:48.720 two months away, to get things where they need to be. 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:51.440 And that's where Georgian commanded Jordan, you can just tell 1:07:51.560 --> 1:07:54.120 us very quickly what you thought about this whole idea 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:55.920 when we first gave it, when we first ran it 1:07:56.000 --> 1:07:59.560 by you, Yeah, that was be honest, there was a lot. 1:08:00.400 --> 1:08:02.120 I mean, we so we come from like a white 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:04.520 tail hunting background, both Taylor and I so it was 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:07.760 a super relatable project for us. But also, I mean 1:08:08.360 --> 1:08:10.680 we were a two man team at that point, and 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:14.360 usually our fall is pretty solidified by end of spring, 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:18.880 like May, we're pretty much like, yeah, we've got a 1:08:18.920 --> 1:08:22.599 lot to do this fall. Luckily, last spring we reached 1:08:22.640 --> 1:08:25.639 out to hunter just trying to kind of branching out, 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:28.160 you know, if we need if we would have needed help, 1:08:28.320 --> 1:08:30.320 or you know, just kind of growing, growing what we 1:08:30.400 --> 1:08:34.040 were doing, and you know, kind of let it rest. 1:08:34.080 --> 1:08:36.120 We kind of kept in kept in contact with him 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:38.360 for a little bit there, and then all of a sudden, 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:41.240 the middle of July got there and we're like, yeah, Howter, 1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:42.920 We're gonna need you a whole bunch in the next 1:08:42.960 --> 1:08:45.960 few months. What are you doing? What are you doing 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:50.320 for say, the rest of the year. Yes, what are 1:08:50.360 --> 1:08:54.040 you busy? And Hunter? What did you think when you 1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:56.320 first heard about this idea that is the back forty 1:08:57.240 --> 1:09:02.000 Oh uh, I mean it seemed like a lot to 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:04.920 do in a short amount of time. But filling up 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:09.920 the shot glasses again, I mean right, Mark, it sounds 1:09:09.960 --> 1:09:12.680 like a great idea from the get go. You were 1:09:12.760 --> 1:09:15.479 totally into it. Oh yeah, Like I'm I'm a twenty 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:20.000 three year old man. You were twenty two at the time. 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:23.519 He spent his birthday in the trailer. There's a little 1:09:23.520 --> 1:09:25.400 piece of classic Yeah, the other day was your birthday. 1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:27.559 In the trailer, we did have like some oh my gosh, 1:09:27.600 --> 1:09:30.160 I got him, I got him caramel ganash brownies. All 1:09:30.200 --> 1:09:32.080 those things, like you know, it was the most insulting 1:09:32.120 --> 1:09:34.280 thing about them was that it was like this giant 1:09:34.439 --> 1:09:36.720 chunk of chocolate with more chocolate spread on top of it. 1:09:36.920 --> 1:09:39.680 And then just as an insult to everyone, they had 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:42.920 taken chunks of brownie and sprinkled on top of the 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:45.760 brownie that had icing on top of the brownie. It 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:48.760 was just like, it was very insulting to me, like, yes, 1:09:48.840 --> 1:09:50.720 I'm gonna eat this, but I'm going to enjoy it, 1:09:51.520 --> 1:09:53.479 and I might like it's gonna be hard to breathe. 1:09:53.520 --> 1:09:57.640 For about two hours after Welcome to the Midwest, I 1:09:57.720 --> 1:09:59.439 got a lot of comments, we're gonna get to the 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:01.080 days in in We're gonna have a lot of stuff 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:04.400 here briefly in this tale. But so we signed on 1:10:04.479 --> 1:10:07.120 and capture creative in the linear timeline of the back 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:09.240 for you and Mark knows. I don't like linear timelines. 1:10:09.479 --> 1:10:11.000 It's not a good way to tell a story. Wayne, 1:10:11.000 --> 1:10:12.559 for you to keep love the show This is Us. 1:10:12.680 --> 1:10:14.120 I don't know if anybody out there listens to This 1:10:14.280 --> 1:10:17.360 is Us. I love it. It's great. When you first 1:10:17.439 --> 1:10:18.920 brought that up to make out what if we did 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:20.479 this like this is Us? I had to go watch 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:25.639 some of that ship like this it's so good man. 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:29.080 I'll be in there just like watching this is using 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:30.840 my wife and I'd be like, oh my gosh, this 1:10:30.960 --> 1:10:37.160 this is so touching. Kevin Fire. Yeah, don't play, don't 1:10:38.800 --> 1:10:40.439 don't give anything away. Okay, we're going to take a 1:10:40.520 --> 1:10:42.519 quick break. You guys got to watch all three season 1:10:42.640 --> 1:10:45.080 This is Us coming back? All right, welcome back. You've 1:10:45.160 --> 1:10:48.519 now watched about seventeen hours of This is Us. How 1:10:48.560 --> 1:10:52.080 about that more? Yeah? How about that's a non linear 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:54.960 way to go about it. Anyway. We are we greenly. 1:10:55.920 --> 1:10:58.120 We green lit this thing in August with the idea 1:10:58.160 --> 1:11:00.320 that we would have about eight or nine episodes that show. 1:11:00.760 --> 1:11:02.719 We would launch them in the kind of a semi 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:07.160 live um every two weeks fashion. Now. We had about 1:11:07.160 --> 1:11:12.080 seventeen different plans that were thwarted by reality. Um. But 1:11:12.439 --> 1:11:15.879 in early August we went to work, right. We started 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:18.479 looking at the property making a plan. And when I 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:22.360 say we, I say, Mark, Um, so like described the 1:11:22.479 --> 1:11:25.040 first the first time when we let you loose on 1:11:25.120 --> 1:11:27.560 the property. What you were thinking, Mark, Well, when I 1:11:27.680 --> 1:11:29.439 first got let loose in the property was after we 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:31.760 quote well, even before we closed on it because I 1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:33.240 found it. Do you want to hear the story of 1:11:33.240 --> 1:11:35.080 how I founded or just skip right to we bought it? 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:36.680 And what do they think once we are Oh? Non, 1:11:36.720 --> 1:11:38.680 literally we go back in time. That's perfect. This is us. 1:11:38.720 --> 1:11:40.320 Would definitely do this. I will try to make it 1:11:40.400 --> 1:11:43.840 clip in time. You know, search and search visited I 1:11:43.880 --> 1:11:46.080 think twelve different properties I visited in person. Spent a 1:11:46.160 --> 1:11:49.040 lot of time looking online at all these different properties, 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:51.400 and I had a certain set of criteria that are 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:55.519 harder to come by than I've realized. I always assumed that, oh, someday, 1:11:55.560 --> 1:11:57.320 when you have the resources, you can get your dream 1:11:57.360 --> 1:11:59.320 far would be awesome, and so I thought, Okay, we 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:01.960 have the ability to get a farm, now just pick it. 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:04.840 There'll be all such great options. But that was not 1:12:04.960 --> 1:12:08.280 the case. Had several properties got sold underneath us, had 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:12.879 several that you know, it's like weird backup offers and etcetera, ETCETERA. 1:12:13.240 --> 1:12:15.840 Long story short. Ended up stumbling on this one when 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:18.680 driving to another property. I drove by and saw the 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:21.519 sign in front of it and thought, huh, it looks 1:12:21.560 --> 1:12:23.640 good from the road. Pulled up on X, looked at 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:28.120 the map and said, that's what happened loaded free acres. No, dear, 1:12:30.200 --> 1:12:32.639 I wish it was up front advertising like that. Um 1:12:33.320 --> 1:12:34.719 but no. But I looked at the map and said, 1:12:34.720 --> 1:12:37.840 that's what I've been looking for, and found the agent 1:12:37.920 --> 1:12:40.519 and got permission to walk it. And sixty four acres 1:12:40.800 --> 1:12:45.320 rolling hills. There's about six fields old fields, old fields. 1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:49.200 Most of it is like remnant, like really just brushy 1:12:49.280 --> 1:12:51.680 cover like golden Rod and Marristale and things like that. 1:12:52.400 --> 1:12:55.879 There's a swamp in the center that that mark affectionally 1:12:55.960 --> 1:12:59.120 calls the sanctuary. There. There's more rolling hills than I 1:12:59.160 --> 1:13:01.720 expect there to be, and there's there's a ridge in 1:13:01.880 --> 1:13:05.240 the far what southeast corner of the property that really 1:13:05.560 --> 1:13:08.560 we think whole deer that's called the Honey Hoole. So 1:13:08.600 --> 1:13:10.839 there's there's a lot about this property to like, especially 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:12.840 in in the spot where it does in Michigan. It's 1:13:12.880 --> 1:13:15.240 close to your place, it's close close to really the 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:18.120 origins of meat eater in our company. So there's a 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:19.479 lot of reasons why you would want to buy a 1:13:19.520 --> 1:13:22.479 property like this. And I will say one inspired me 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:25.760 about this piece of ground is it's it's just unassuming. 1:13:25.880 --> 1:13:28.640 It's it's in a world where everybody on TV has 1:13:28.680 --> 1:13:32.120 to kill some giant buck, and every property has to 1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:34.439 be pristine and thought through. This is a chance for 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:37.280 people to see the guts of a thing, like what 1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:41.160 it takes to build something from. It's not nothing, but 1:13:41.320 --> 1:13:44.080 it's it's really close to nothing. Yeah, this is very 1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:49.000 much the everyman's property. I mean it's it's small, it's raw, 1:13:49.680 --> 1:13:52.400 doesn't have a whole bunch of special stuff on it yet, 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:54.640 it's just it just had the potential I thought, And 1:13:54.720 --> 1:13:57.439 it was in a good area for my research. It's 1:13:57.760 --> 1:14:00.160 it's not in the middle of nowhere. There's developed men 1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:04.240 around it, there's towns around it, there's encroaching you know, 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:07.760 industrial parks and all that kind of thing going, like 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:11.280 super high roads. So so me and me and Doug 1:14:11.320 --> 1:14:12.920 were talking like what we have here is kind of 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:17.200 like the potential dug during UM five. You'll see that 1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:21.120 coming up soon, exactly right. This this kind of little 1:14:21.320 --> 1:14:24.479 oasis that we could protect in some way and nurture 1:14:24.520 --> 1:14:27.920 in some little conservation oasis of sorts, um chucked in 1:14:27.960 --> 1:14:29.680 the middle of a whole lot of other stuff. So 1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:33.880 so yeah, it was when I first got to walk 1:14:33.920 --> 1:14:36.640 out there and see it on you know first when 1:14:36.640 --> 1:14:38.560 I looked before we purchased it, and after purchasing it, 1:14:38.640 --> 1:14:43.840 it was just excitement, anticipation. I have very high expectations though, Um, 1:14:44.400 --> 1:14:47.160 in Michigan it's it's very different expectations even have in 1:14:47.360 --> 1:14:50.720 say Iowa or Kansas, these renowned deer hunting places. Um, 1:14:51.280 --> 1:14:54.880 But for Michigan. From everything I've I know, and I've 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:56.439 spent a lot of time hunting a lot of places 1:14:56.479 --> 1:14:58.479 around here talking to a lot of people, Um, this 1:14:58.640 --> 1:15:00.640 is in one of the better areas we're hunting in 1:15:00.720 --> 1:15:03.799 the state. Um, and had the pieces that had the swamp. 1:15:03.880 --> 1:15:05.800 It's got good neighbors. So I was like, this is 1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:08.920 gonna be awesome. Yeah, it's pretty excited. Yeah, I was 1:15:09.000 --> 1:15:11.400 to just I'm not I don't live I mean, you 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:13.560 live pretty close to where we sit right now. This 1:15:13.720 --> 1:15:15.600 is your country man, Like you know this place, this 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:20.839 is your game, right, that's wish you've kind of developed 1:15:20.920 --> 1:15:23.160 for your livelihood and your lifestyle and the way that 1:15:23.280 --> 1:15:25.680 you live and what you dedicate yourself too. So this 1:15:25.880 --> 1:15:28.160 is your thing. But for me, it was a chance 1:15:28.280 --> 1:15:32.720 to tell a story, right, to tell a story not 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:36.280 only about this property, but about every small property like 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:41.200 this one not only about uh land, but private land 1:15:42.360 --> 1:15:44.640 and how much private land there is, how much that 1:15:44.720 --> 1:15:48.719 private land means the conservation, how private land is important, 1:15:48.800 --> 1:15:50.639 if not more important in public lands, and how those 1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:53.360 two things can work together to do what we need 1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:56.800 them to do for for wildlife. And I know we've 1:15:56.800 --> 1:15:58.639 talked about this a bunch, but that's just a big 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:01.920 part of the storyline. So when we were first starting 1:16:01.920 --> 1:16:04.400 all this, we're like, we got this brawl farm. We 1:16:04.560 --> 1:16:07.600 know we want to give it away. We know we 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:09.960 want to bring people into hunt and tell the story 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:11.519 of this place as we work on it. We know 1:16:11.640 --> 1:16:14.439 we want Captured to be a big part of that, 1:16:14.960 --> 1:16:18.000 and helped push that forward. And that gets us to 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:21.760 August when we're like, Okay, well what are we gonna 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:25.439 do now? We wanna And it'sn't it like for most 1:16:25.560 --> 1:16:27.960 for those who don't know, most hunting TV that you watch, 1:16:28.160 --> 1:16:31.920 even hunting stuff on the Internet, most of it that's 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:35.760 well produced or produced at at all at any level, 1:16:35.920 --> 1:16:38.479 is shot the year prior to the air, right, So 1:16:38.640 --> 1:16:41.000 it's the idea is we'll shoot at this fall at 1:16:41.040 --> 1:16:43.080 next fall on the outdoor channel of Sporceman channel or 1:16:43.160 --> 1:16:45.280 even stuff you see on the internet that's not vlog 1:16:45.400 --> 1:16:48.200 style format like those of Hushing and other folks like that. 1:16:49.200 --> 1:16:52.280 The production is not so ambitious to say like we're 1:16:52.280 --> 1:16:55.400 gonna do it this year. Most of these things are 1:16:55.479 --> 1:16:58.439 done many months prior to when the air, so there's 1:16:58.479 --> 1:17:00.320 lots of time to put them together. We just sided 1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:02.280 that we still we wanted to try to meet the 1:17:02.360 --> 1:17:04.519 standard of what Steve had done and what media had 1:17:04.560 --> 1:17:08.479 done in some way while also delivering the content the 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:12.560 same year that it that it happened. So tracking this 1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:17.080 thing not live, not really semi live, but within the 1:17:17.200 --> 1:17:20.040 context of the season in which it was happening, which 1:17:20.200 --> 1:17:23.599 can you can follow pretty damn close to live, because 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:25.640 we're not telling this story just with the YouTube se 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:28.719 it's also being told on the wire done podcast pretty 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:32.960 much weekly. It's on my social media accounts very much weekly, 1:17:33.000 --> 1:17:37.120 almost daily since August um. So for those that have 1:17:37.240 --> 1:17:39.439 expressed interest and want to follow on with what's going on, 1:17:39.680 --> 1:17:42.120 you can see what's happening right now, and then you 1:17:42.160 --> 1:17:44.040 get to hear about it a week later in the podcast, 1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:46.599 and you get to watch it two or three weeks later, 1:17:46.800 --> 1:17:49.400 So you really have a pretty cool way to experience 1:17:49.479 --> 1:17:52.680 this in different mediums, um And I think that's that's 1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:54.240 been fun for me to be able to share it 1:17:54.280 --> 1:17:56.400 in those different ways, and hopefully for the audience has 1:17:56.439 --> 1:17:58.360 been fun to engage with it in those ways. So 1:17:58.400 --> 1:18:00.160 all the times I've been here a couple of times out, 1:18:00.320 --> 1:18:02.559 I've had fun when I'm here too, um And we'll 1:18:02.600 --> 1:18:04.599 get to that, but we should get to the first shoot. 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:08.559 When we had Jordan Hunter come out here, they were 1:18:08.600 --> 1:18:12.240 looking for hotels there where's the place where you know? 1:18:12.320 --> 1:18:16.000 We were in an undisclosed location in Michigan. It's a 1:18:16.080 --> 1:18:20.559 pretty rural and rural Michigan. Rural Michigan. There's some towns around, 1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:24.920 small stuff, small towns, but there's just not like there's 1:18:24.960 --> 1:18:29.519 not the Hilton anywhere near. There's no Marriotts, there's no Marriers. 1:18:30.439 --> 1:18:35.120 But what there is, what happens to be here is 1:18:35.160 --> 1:18:38.360 the days in. And if you've ever stated the days in, 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:44.120 it's a lovely place. They're usually at least for me, like, Okay, 1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:46.760 I've pulled up a commercial about the days in. It's 1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:51.040 just gonna play that for everybody. Do you hear that? Oh? Yeah, 1:18:52.160 --> 1:18:57.280 who you don't know? Oh they got a pool? Oh, 1:18:57.360 --> 1:19:02.000 it's a child. We could, yeah, look at things, the lights, 1:19:03.160 --> 1:19:09.840 how family didners wherever we like delicious? Okay, it is 1:19:12.960 --> 1:19:17.160 sez the days sees the days, so I would love 1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:19.519 to stay at the place like this sounds lovely, it's lovely. 1:19:20.280 --> 1:19:24.160 It's uh they got pools, happy children. That one child 1:19:24.280 --> 1:19:25.920 looked like he didn't have a pink eye in either 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:34.720 of his eyes. You look, now, Jordan's hunter decided, there's 1:19:34.800 --> 1:19:37.240 only in the proximity of the days in the days 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:40.800 prior to their being a camper here, there was only 1:19:40.800 --> 1:19:44.240 a few spots to stay. Now, I luckily I found 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:49.599 a place around here, uh close that had a little 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:53.080 bit of rooms. But Jordan's tell us a little bit 1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:56.679 about your experience at the days in now. Disclaimer, days 1:19:56.720 --> 1:19:59.120 In is not a sponsor the program. I don't think 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:00.920 they will be after we talk about this. It's gonna 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:05.880 be after this, it's gonna be tough. Admittedly, admittedly it's 1:20:05.960 --> 1:20:09.800 gonna be difficult to reel them in, but we may 1:20:09.840 --> 1:20:12.479 be able to save it. But just Jordan tell us, yeah, 1:20:12.720 --> 1:20:15.559 give us a brief description of this in like marketing 1:20:15.960 --> 1:20:19.320 and you know that's sort of industry and what they 1:20:19.400 --> 1:20:22.040 do and all these companies that have people that do that. 1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:24.000 I think I take issue with that ad that you 1:20:24.120 --> 1:20:27.679 just played, because there's not not too much that happened 1:20:27.720 --> 1:20:30.680 to be true with our experience at this facility, and 1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:32.160 you just you were just trying to get a place 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:37.240 that was relatively inexpensive, close to the back forty comfortable, 1:20:37.280 --> 1:20:38.800 had to bed in it, you could sprawl out your 1:20:38.840 --> 1:20:41.479 camera gear because you guys were doing shoots their last 1:20:41.600 --> 1:20:44.320 five six days, and there's multiple of them, so you're 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:46.960 gonna be here forty fifty days throughout the fall. You'd 1:20:47.000 --> 1:20:50.360 like a nice place, clean up, take a shower. You 1:20:50.400 --> 1:20:53.640 don't need much. You guys are pretty simple. Expectations are 1:20:53.720 --> 1:20:56.760 low or fancy people. You don't need a maitre d 1:20:57.640 --> 1:21:00.280 or a valet or anything like that. You just need bed, 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:05.439 a shower, and no chance of hepatitis. That's there's the kicker. 1:21:05.640 --> 1:21:09.400 That's that's it. That's it right there, because upon sliding 1:21:09.439 --> 1:21:13.880 the card, that side note had to be like remagnetized 1:21:14.080 --> 1:21:18.760 every day because I quit working. Okay, you're welcome to 1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:22.880 the days. It didn't take long for their and to 1:21:23.000 --> 1:21:25.600 take hold days in back fort you adjacent won't call it. 1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:29.400 They didn't care either, Like they didn't ask for an 1:21:29.439 --> 1:21:31.400 I d to give you a new card. They're like, oh, 1:21:32.000 --> 1:21:34.639 room one nineteen, here you go. That's the cool part 1:21:34.640 --> 1:21:36.040 about it. You know, you feel like getting into a 1:21:36.120 --> 1:21:38.640 new room. You could just pick a number and just 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:40.720 go to the front desk and if you're gonna get 1:21:41.120 --> 1:21:44.560 probably two keys. Usually, it was described to the proprietor 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:49.080 of this day's in she's a nice lady, nice lady. Um, 1:21:49.680 --> 1:21:51.800 maybe you know, i'd call her rough around the edges, 1:21:52.439 --> 1:21:58.120 probably caring, carrying, carrying, caring. Ah, I thought carrying a 1:21:58.200 --> 1:22:00.560 child or a gun. No, No, I mean, well you 1:22:00.600 --> 1:22:07.240 could have been carrying a child and God at the 1:22:07.320 --> 1:22:10.160 same time. No one would have known. So it's carrying individual. 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:14.320 Nice person. Yeah, yeah, I mean her name is Kay. 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:22.360 Her name was Kay Lady. She's not right, she's she's 1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:28.679 definitely a hunting collective. Listener was talking about me. There's 1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:32.760 no offense to me. I don't take issue with we like, 1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:36.240 Okay was not. She gave us room keys every day 1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:41.400 every day. Question describe describe the rooms. What did the 1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:44.720 rooms look like at the day? Son? Oh gosh, just 1:22:44.960 --> 1:22:48.559 imagine like a Friday night in your college dorm. Yeah, 1:22:50.400 --> 1:22:53.679 like that debauchery. I'd say it's more like the Saturday 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:56.439 morning after that. Yeah, that's that probably that probably is 1:22:57.360 --> 1:22:59.519 there particular. I believe he told me there's like a 1:22:59.640 --> 1:23:03.960 door that didn't work. There was the various stains throughout that. Yeah. 1:23:04.080 --> 1:23:06.639 I mean if you've watched like Dateline or or whatever 1:23:06.680 --> 1:23:10.599 those like, it was perhaps filmed in this very location. 1:23:11.880 --> 1:23:14.320 There's there's an instance where our our door and mind you, 1:23:14.400 --> 1:23:16.360 like we're taking all of our production equipment back in 1:23:16.400 --> 1:23:18.360 there at night. So like lots of money, lots of 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:21.400 money being locked up in this place every night, and 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:25.560 the door lock seemed to be held on by a 1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:29.640 piece of scrap would keeping it closed, keeping keeping you 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:33.519 safe from the quarter inch gap between the frame of 1:23:33.640 --> 1:23:36.560 the door and the door itself, which proved to be 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:38.560 handy because you could if people are walking by, you 1:23:38.600 --> 1:23:42.720 could see from the shadows slick security system. Nice. They 1:23:42.760 --> 1:23:45.120 could literally just like take one of their fingers, pop 1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:48.280 that off and they were in. I mean maybe a 1:23:48.280 --> 1:23:50.080 little bit more small than a finger, but they could. 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:52.120 They could check in on us if they stuck their 1:23:52.160 --> 1:23:56.080 face to the door, if if they hear like distress 1:23:56.120 --> 1:23:57.640 coming from the room, they could easily get it to 1:23:57.720 --> 1:24:00.559 help you. Yeah, I think that's what happened in the past. 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:02.760 It was kicked in at one out of that door 1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:06.840 being kicked in. Did you bring a black light? No good, 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:09.120 you don't want that. I just you don't want that. 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:13.040 You just ignorance is bliss? Yeah? Did you sleep in 1:24:13.360 --> 1:24:15.200 in the bed or in a sleeping bag on top 1:24:15.240 --> 1:24:17.679 of the sheets. Now we committed, we committed to the shop. 1:24:18.120 --> 1:24:20.280 Do you get rid of you know, the top comforter? 1:24:20.439 --> 1:24:23.880 Oh that's gone, that's on the floor. Did you check 1:24:23.960 --> 1:24:28.040 for bedbugs in under the in the mattress? I did 1:24:28.120 --> 1:24:30.479 give it a once. Actually, yeah, so there was there 1:24:30.600 --> 1:24:35.559 was a time there was some mysterious hair within oh gosh, 1:24:35.960 --> 1:24:39.400 within the sheets. I met the bullet on that one. 1:24:40.479 --> 1:24:44.200 And then there was more hair too that was coming 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:49.439 up the bathroom drain. Oh yeah. And then if you 1:24:49.520 --> 1:24:54.599 looked and the ceiling of the bathtub, there's also hair 1:24:57.280 --> 1:25:06.720 accurate yeah, uh huh, hair everywhere. Yeah. Well, so other 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:11.599 than the human hair the lack of security, were there 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:14.799 any other will say, maybe people there that were interesting 1:25:15.560 --> 1:25:18.760 sides Ka there was a picnic table off the back door. 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:20.799 That's nice that they have a picnic table for families. 1:25:20.840 --> 1:25:23.320 The back door that was always propped open with the rock. 1:25:23.760 --> 1:25:26.000 That's fine. That rock here needs to be used for 1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:28.800 something that and this this picnic table is probably there for. 1:25:29.000 --> 1:25:31.040 What we heard about in the commercial was the families 1:25:31.840 --> 1:25:34.280 that we're looking forward to the new day. More like 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:42.360 single dudes smoking darts and uh having a beer. Yeah, yeah, 1:25:42.560 --> 1:25:45.840 single dudes. There's yeah. There's an individual. We named him 1:25:45.840 --> 1:25:49.680 Scannered based on only his appearance. Appearances, he could have 1:25:49.720 --> 1:25:54.120 been a great guy. His perm mullet was fabulous. The 1:25:54.200 --> 1:25:56.080 only thing this one was like an I roxy parked 1:25:56.120 --> 1:25:58.720 in the parking spot that needs to totally do the 1:25:58.840 --> 1:26:01.560 permed mullet. He thinks, what's the guy? I'm blanking on 1:26:01.560 --> 1:26:06.120 the guy's name right now? He did Danny McBride. No, yes, 1:26:06.360 --> 1:26:09.000 Danny McBride. You could totally look like Danny McBride. He 1:26:09.040 --> 1:26:10.840 had the perm mullet. Dude, I would if I got 1:26:10.880 --> 1:26:12.439 girl mullet. If I let it go, I get a 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:15.240 natural rat tail. Yes, all I have to do is perm. 1:26:15.280 --> 1:26:17.400 I don't know what that takes anymore. Have to track 1:26:17.520 --> 1:26:22.280 back season two of Back forty. Don't have to be there, 1:26:22.600 --> 1:26:24.960 just sidle up, on the picking table next to next 1:26:25.000 --> 1:26:29.200 to Skinner. He'll he'll be like like he past that dart. 1:26:29.680 --> 1:26:32.960 Let me pol you don't have to have a two 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:34.760 Leader of PEPSI DoD you. Wasn't that what it was? 1:26:35.680 --> 1:26:38.599 I totally forgot about the lady sitting on the pick 1:26:38.680 --> 1:26:42.040 a table drinking the two Leader cola. This wasn't just 1:26:42.120 --> 1:26:44.080 one morning and the morning, but this was we were 1:26:44.240 --> 1:26:48.479 more here for ten days. Shoot, did she drink the 1:26:48.560 --> 1:26:52.920 same Leader of cola full every morning? Full every morning, 1:26:53.240 --> 1:26:56.479 every single morning? Can you imagine? Hydration is key? I 1:26:56.520 --> 1:27:01.519 mean right, so is the beat ist the diabetes? Yes, Wow, 1:27:02.080 --> 1:27:04.479 wasn't It wasn't die either. And she was just pulling 1:27:04.560 --> 1:27:07.920 on that thing in the plastic Leader bottle. For her, 1:27:08.200 --> 1:27:11.479 it was like smoking SIGs at bay. It's a six 1:27:11.520 --> 1:27:13.880 smoking table. That's what they had it there for. And 1:27:13.920 --> 1:27:15.479 then these people are staying at the days in Are 1:27:15.520 --> 1:27:18.880 they just hanging out at the table? I mean there, 1:27:19.360 --> 1:27:21.280 I don't know, not to stereotype of crowd that stays 1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:23.439 at that day same but they definitely spit the mold 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:29.200 there just like you like, all right, well we want 1:27:29.240 --> 1:27:31.120 I wanted to make sure we covered that shout out 1:27:31.160 --> 1:27:34.320 the days in if you would like the sponsor the program. Um, 1:27:37.840 --> 1:27:40.360 we need to get we need some comped uh, we 1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:43.599 need some coupons for the days in Back forty adjacent. 1:27:43.880 --> 1:27:45.400 I don't think that's a problem because I think we 1:27:45.479 --> 1:27:48.760 stayed here for We stayed here for ten days and 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:50.880 the total was like less than your room for two 1:27:51.040 --> 1:27:58.640 nights that you never did come to the buffet O 1:27:59.200 --> 1:28:02.400 thank you well. Shout out to to that day's in 1:28:02.560 --> 1:28:06.200 Back forty adjacent. We'll call it um. It really added 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:07.920 to the experience I felt the first time I came, 1:28:07.960 --> 1:28:12.160 you guys were like, yeah, we're staying in the fifth circle. Hell, 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:16.000 two more circles to go. I'm glad, glad we did it. 1:28:16.960 --> 1:28:19.000 You guys didn't have any You didn't get any rashes, 1:28:19.600 --> 1:28:25.120 no bug bites, not from the days in. We did 1:28:25.200 --> 1:28:27.960 bring uger bites back from the Back forty went to 1:28:28.000 --> 1:28:29.640 the days in. We're getting to that now. This is 1:28:29.680 --> 1:28:32.640 where it becomes a nightmare for everybody. Now when I 1:28:32.720 --> 1:28:34.560 say the Back forty is a mean mother, I'm not. 1:28:34.840 --> 1:28:38.320 I'm not. I think all of Michigan is a mean mother. 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:41.240 In August. I mean, it is like walking into a 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:47.000 microwave is different than Montana. That's Montana's crisp air. And 1:28:47.160 --> 1:28:50.560 you come here and it's like walking into just the 1:28:50.680 --> 1:28:55.040 inside of someone's sweatpants after a marathon, very sticky, sticky, 1:28:55.760 --> 1:28:59.560 just like you're just sticking to everything. And here we 1:28:59.640 --> 1:29:05.200 are hustling to make a program about this property. We 1:29:05.320 --> 1:29:10.559 are stuck with like no time, the worst weather ever 1:29:12.360 --> 1:29:15.320 and uh tall, task ahead. Take it from there, Mark 1:29:15.479 --> 1:29:17.360 what happened? Well? I think the first step was that 1:29:17.479 --> 1:29:19.680 even before we could do work on the property, and 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:22.280 we had so much stuff that I had envisioned doing, 1:29:22.760 --> 1:29:24.559 before we could do any of that, we also wanted 1:29:24.600 --> 1:29:27.519 to bring a whole slate of different people out to 1:29:27.640 --> 1:29:31.040 offer perspectives and ideas first, and so that was a 1:29:31.080 --> 1:29:34.040 whole thing, trying to find people, schedule people, get people 1:29:34.120 --> 1:29:35.760 to come on out that would match up with when 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:39.000 we could film it and everything. So we eventually we're 1:29:39.040 --> 1:29:40.760 able to get a slate of folks to come out, 1:29:41.160 --> 1:29:43.840 and we'd spent a whole bunch of days showing them around, 1:29:44.960 --> 1:29:49.240 getting their thoughts on the property, talking through ideas, etcetera, etcetera. 1:29:49.360 --> 1:29:51.720 So we had a couple of different folks from the 1:29:51.960 --> 1:29:55.960 Natural Resources Conservation Service come out, one of those being um, 1:29:56.600 --> 1:29:59.120 the state biologists for Michigan for the NRCS. Here he 1:29:59.240 --> 1:30:04.840 came and provided an ecologist perspective of dan Z. Danny's a. Now, 1:30:05.040 --> 1:30:10.920 dan Z looked like looks like an ecologist. Yes, he 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:12.599 had the vest. He had a vest. He was wearing 1:30:12.640 --> 1:30:16.719 like a khaki vest, like a mesh backing. He looked 1:30:16.920 --> 1:30:20.280 very much like an ecologist, had the feeling of an ecologist. 1:30:20.560 --> 1:30:23.719 It was perfect. He got excited about some prairie remnants 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:27.280 that were on the property, um, which again is very 1:30:27.280 --> 1:30:29.800 a very ecologist type of thing to do. He's all 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:32.880 about the plants. Um. So yeah, we had we had 1:30:32.880 --> 1:30:35.800 in the colleges out there, we had a burder come out. 1:30:36.600 --> 1:30:40.000 His name was I forget Pat Hogan, Pat Hogan. He 1:30:40.080 --> 1:30:42.680 was cool though. Man, he had like a beard and 1:30:42.880 --> 1:30:45.320 uh you know, had like a high top fade. Man. 1:30:45.479 --> 1:30:47.920 They were like picking off bird and he was from 1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:50.840 like Birds and Blooms. I remember thinking, we're making a 1:30:50.960 --> 1:30:53.280 hunting show and we got a guy from Birds and 1:30:53.360 --> 1:30:56.640 Blooms looking at blue jays. Where this is going to 1:30:56.720 --> 1:31:00.920 be a failure. No hunter is ever gonna want to 1:31:01.000 --> 1:31:05.479 watch this content at all. But luck it was interesting. 1:31:05.680 --> 1:31:08.000 It was interesting, very interesting. And that's what like I 1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:12.000 found from those first episodes. And of course, uh, speak up, 1:31:12.080 --> 1:31:15.479 Mark if I'm going off track, is that there there's 1:31:15.560 --> 1:31:18.080 interesting elements to the outdoors. And my dad taught me 1:31:18.160 --> 1:31:20.040 this growing up. My dad can pick a bird off 1:31:20.080 --> 1:31:22.479 and tell you exactly what it is by sight, by 1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:25.840 like any anything he hears or sees, he can tell 1:31:25.880 --> 1:31:27.960 you can tell you what kind of tree that you're 1:31:28.120 --> 1:31:31.080 standing under. So my dad kind of taught me this. 1:31:31.600 --> 1:31:34.439 And and Mediator is about this. But like the knowledge 1:31:34.520 --> 1:31:38.040 of the place, right that the empowerment of knowing what 1:31:39.000 --> 1:31:43.439 what the mass crops are, what the cover is, what 1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:46.840 the trees are, what birds are here, what bees are here, 1:31:46.960 --> 1:31:50.080 what pollinators here? And on and on. But I don't 1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:52.400 think I haven't seen I'm not I'm not tooting our 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:53.920 own horn here, but you just don't really see that 1:31:54.000 --> 1:31:58.160 in our space. And an episodic, you know, show like this, 1:31:58.280 --> 1:31:59.800 we'll call it, we can call a TV show because 1:32:00.560 --> 1:32:04.920 this show. Yeah, UM, so that that I was worried 1:32:04.960 --> 1:32:06.439 about that. I'm like, how are we going to make 1:32:06.520 --> 1:32:09.759 this exciting? Um? But I think in and of itself 1:32:09.800 --> 1:32:12.200 it is. Yeah. And and I It was a great 1:32:12.400 --> 1:32:14.840 impetus for me to dive into that stuff because I 1:32:15.520 --> 1:32:18.200 I love to learn, like I'm a book nerd, I 1:32:18.280 --> 1:32:22.439 read voraciously. I just love learning new things. And I've 1:32:22.439 --> 1:32:24.200 spent a whole lot of time when it comes to 1:32:24.360 --> 1:32:27.439 the hunting side of things, really really learning a lot um. 1:32:28.040 --> 1:32:31.120 But admittedly I have not been good at being able 1:32:31.120 --> 1:32:34.200 to identify birds or identify plants. Unless I knew a 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:37.280 deer aid it or something like that, I wasn't paying attention. Um. 1:32:37.800 --> 1:32:41.759 So this is a great push for me to open 1:32:41.840 --> 1:32:44.000 my eyes to some new things. Not all hunters have 1:32:44.160 --> 1:32:47.519 developed a myopic view of the pursuit, but a lot 1:32:47.680 --> 1:32:51.920 have right and that's only natural right. But this isn't 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:55.040 a thing we would force upon anybody. We hoped it 1:32:55.040 --> 1:32:57.880 would be interesting. We had hopes that people would take 1:32:57.920 --> 1:33:01.000 it on as a very interesting way to look at 1:33:01.040 --> 1:33:04.360 the world. But there is this derivative of hunting that's 1:33:04.520 --> 1:33:06.120 that you're a part of, that's like q d M 1:33:06.160 --> 1:33:09.479 A big Bucks. This is what we're after and it 1:33:09.640 --> 1:33:12.760 can be not always, not always, but it can be 1:33:12.840 --> 1:33:14.639 all encompassing in a way that you kind of put 1:33:14.680 --> 1:33:19.000 blinders onto some things that are around. Um. And I 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:21.920 think this show is is definitely not done that, but 1:33:22.320 --> 1:33:25.160 but taught me a lot about how to think about it, 1:33:25.920 --> 1:33:28.519 how to think about managing a property, you know, for 1:33:28.600 --> 1:33:31.920 white tails. Because we learned from our our buddy from 1:33:32.160 --> 1:33:34.680 UC Berkeley, Luke McCauley, that there are three fifty six 1:33:34.720 --> 1:33:37.960 million acres of land owner at least for hunting in 1:33:38.040 --> 1:33:43.120 the US, that the contiguous land area in the US combined. 1:33:43.840 --> 1:33:47.479 It is, that's a pretty large piece of this country 1:33:47.960 --> 1:33:51.880 that's all kind of being managed for hunting, which has 1:33:51.920 --> 1:33:54.120 a certain set of values, a certain set of principles, 1:33:54.479 --> 1:33:58.639 conservation being one of them obviously, But um, what's often 1:33:58.760 --> 1:34:02.720 missing from that is is biodiversity as a key component 1:34:02.960 --> 1:34:06.960 of it, at least outwardly. So yeah, and so what 1:34:07.040 --> 1:34:08.559 we did is we brought in a bunch of different 1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:11.439 diverse perspectives to help us do them. So we had 1:34:11.479 --> 1:34:14.040 the NRCS guys come in. We had a birder come in. 1:34:14.520 --> 1:34:17.639 We had a gentleman who focuses on bees. We talked 1:34:17.680 --> 1:34:22.200 about pollinators and pollinator habitat. We had um and then 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:23.880 we had people that are focused on deer. We had 1:34:23.920 --> 1:34:26.600 two different deer focused habitat folks come out. So we 1:34:26.680 --> 1:34:29.559 got a deer hunting focus, we got an ecologist perspective, 1:34:29.600 --> 1:34:32.920 birds bees, all that and all that helped inform then okay, 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:35.800 where is this thing going to go? Steve came out 1:34:35.840 --> 1:34:38.240 and took a look and share with it. We'll share 1:34:38.240 --> 1:34:39.680 with this what he thought. So we got all these 1:34:39.680 --> 1:34:42.120 different ideas and by this time it's not middle of 1:34:42.120 --> 1:34:45.280 August and I've got two weeks left before what's usually 1:34:45.360 --> 1:34:48.639 my line in the sand date August. I never stepped 1:34:48.640 --> 1:34:50.800 foot in the deer Woods again until October one, which 1:34:50.800 --> 1:34:53.640 is the opening day and the minimum thirty days to 1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:56.200 let a property sit. Yeah, now Jordan and a hunter 1:34:56.320 --> 1:34:57.960 like you guys were filming all this. Like the first 1:34:58.000 --> 1:34:59.800 couple episodes, it was a lot of just walking around 1:34:59.800 --> 1:35:02.680 the operating and looking at stuff, which is generally not 1:35:02.920 --> 1:35:06.920 how people like to create content around. They like action 1:35:07.000 --> 1:35:08.800 and things. Are you guys ever worried about like what 1:35:08.920 --> 1:35:11.360 what's this going to be? I mean definitely at first. 1:35:11.520 --> 1:35:13.400 But the thing that got me is, even though I 1:35:13.479 --> 1:35:15.720 was behind the scenes and filming the whole thing is 1:35:15.800 --> 1:35:17.479 there was more than once where I just kind of 1:35:17.520 --> 1:35:19.920 would step back after, you know, like when Jake ealing 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:22.679 I was here, for instance, like I love deer hunting, 1:35:22.720 --> 1:35:25.120 and I was super interested in what he had to say. 1:35:25.120 --> 1:35:26.680 And there was more than one time that day where 1:35:26.720 --> 1:35:28.559 I just kind of like sat back and like, Okay, 1:35:28.640 --> 1:35:30.960 first of all, make sure you're still recording, the frame 1:35:31.000 --> 1:35:33.400 is still on. But also, man, what he just said is, 1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:35.720 you know, that's a really cool take, and and that's 1:35:35.840 --> 1:35:38.120 kind of when I knew, like, Okay, I'm very interested 1:35:38.160 --> 1:35:40.040 in this and I'm the one filming it, so I 1:35:40.160 --> 1:35:42.560 think that should translate to you know, the viewers. And 1:35:42.880 --> 1:35:45.640 I think the biggest shame is that we had all 1:35:45.720 --> 1:35:48.479 these great tours of these folks and got all their ideas, 1:35:48.560 --> 1:35:50.760 and they saw all the properties, and we had to 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:54.479 distill all that down hours of these people looking at 1:35:54.479 --> 1:35:56.040 the property and sharing their ideas, and we had to 1:35:56.520 --> 1:35:58.680 distill down to three minutes per person or something like that. 1:35:58.800 --> 1:36:01.800 Like we only at the time, like you watching these 1:36:01.800 --> 1:36:04.880 episodes got the tiniest little snippet of what's out there. 1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:06.680 And when we're trying to get some podcasts with some 1:36:06.720 --> 1:36:09.360 of these people, we've already had some um trying to 1:36:09.400 --> 1:36:11.920 provide some deeper dives into some of the there's extended 1:36:11.960 --> 1:36:15.400 cuts of the pollen air discussion that's on the Mediator website. Um, 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:21.240 things like that, but amazing, amazing insights. So we got 1:36:21.320 --> 1:36:24.519 from these guests and you often find that, you know, 1:36:24.600 --> 1:36:27.599 with a burder or an apiarist or whatever the case. 1:36:27.680 --> 1:36:32.639 My fancy name for beekeeper. Um what Yeah, I've learned 1:36:32.640 --> 1:36:34.400 a lot. I learned a lot of those words too. 1:36:34.760 --> 1:36:37.560 I learned this. We're another word called verite. You know 1:36:37.640 --> 1:36:42.559 it's a very days Hey, I love one of my favorites. 1:36:42.600 --> 1:36:45.120 You guys will look that up and figure out that is. Um. 1:36:45.800 --> 1:36:48.280 But we're learning things right. So so when we were 1:36:48.320 --> 1:36:50.800 creating this content or are working on the back ford, 1:36:50.840 --> 1:36:52.519 I mean, this is also real world work. We're not 1:36:52.560 --> 1:36:54.280 just autu to create content. We gotta do the work 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:56.240 right to make this thing what it needs to be. 1:36:56.760 --> 1:36:59.400 We're learning along the way. That's why the it's presented 1:37:00.360 --> 1:37:01.960 the way it is. We're bringing a bunch of people 1:37:02.000 --> 1:37:04.400 into help teach us these things that we don't necessarily 1:37:04.560 --> 1:37:08.680 mark me, Steve, we don't necessarily have experience in you. 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:11.320 Not to mention too that there's not really any other 1:37:11.400 --> 1:37:15.400 examples of shows like this to even reference from. It's 1:37:15.439 --> 1:37:18.680 completely different than anything that's been done. So yeah, that's 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:20.959 the big challenge. And then and then in the timeline 1:37:21.000 --> 1:37:23.759 we get to the actual work and on the property. Finally, 1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:25.720 it felt felt like there was a long times and 1:37:26.040 --> 1:37:27.960 Mark you can take us through how that got go 1:37:28.080 --> 1:37:30.280 on us there? Do you had a little challenges here? 1:37:30.360 --> 1:37:33.599 There a little things happen. Yeah. I mean the short 1:37:33.720 --> 1:37:35.679 version of it is that by the time the middle 1:37:35.680 --> 1:37:39.320 of August arrived, we had, you know, eight nine days 1:37:39.400 --> 1:37:42.479 of the camera crew left to try to get something done. 1:37:42.960 --> 1:37:44.960 And so I wanted to say, Okay, what's like the 1:37:45.040 --> 1:37:47.280 most impactful short term thing we can do to try 1:37:47.320 --> 1:37:49.800 to make this farm huntable Because at this point of 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:52.240 the seven thousand different ideas we got from all these 1:37:52.280 --> 1:37:55.360 different experts, most of these things we can't do yet. 1:37:55.400 --> 1:37:56.880 Most of these things have to wait till the winter 1:37:57.240 --> 1:37:59.519 or the following spring. But is there anything we can 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:01.160 do right now that at least might help us with 1:38:01.479 --> 1:38:03.479 the short term hunting side, and maybe we'll help in 1:38:03.520 --> 1:38:05.800 the long term as we refine them. So we had 1:38:05.840 --> 1:38:07.560 to try to look at what that might be, and 1:38:08.120 --> 1:38:09.960 of course we then also had to prepare the property 1:38:09.960 --> 1:38:12.040 to hunt it, which is what we were doing coming 1:38:12.120 --> 1:38:14.400 up in a month. So we had all the trees 1:38:14.439 --> 1:38:16.240 and tree stands to prep and spots to hang with 1:38:16.280 --> 1:38:18.960 the saddle way to put cameras up. We had clear trails, 1:38:19.400 --> 1:38:23.120 we had to scout the property and put ground linds up. 1:38:23.240 --> 1:38:26.160 And then the one short term thing that seemed to 1:38:26.200 --> 1:38:28.240 be possible in the small amount of time we had 1:38:28.360 --> 1:38:31.920 was to get some food plots in. Any hunter deer 1:38:32.000 --> 1:38:34.560 hunter knows the importance of food. It's it's one of 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:38.120 those main drivers of deer activity. So if we could 1:38:38.120 --> 1:38:39.640 get some food on this farm, which right now it 1:38:39.680 --> 1:38:43.160 did not have any kind of super duper high quality food. 1:38:43.240 --> 1:38:45.559 There's of course native vegetation the deer feeding on them, 1:38:45.600 --> 1:38:48.599 but surrounded by agricultural crops, and so if we want 1:38:48.640 --> 1:38:50.240 a deer to spend some extra time on our farm, 1:38:50.280 --> 1:38:51.400 we would need to be able to compete with that 1:38:51.400 --> 1:38:53.040 a little bit. So I thought, okay, we can get 1:38:53.080 --> 1:38:54.840 a little bit of food plots in. That's gonna help 1:38:54.920 --> 1:38:57.080 us in the short term. To do that, though, you 1:38:57.160 --> 1:39:02.839 need equipment, you need all sorts of things within that equipment. 1:39:02.840 --> 1:39:08.120 You bought the mower at more. Yes, that's where this 1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:12.479 music comes in. Where you're trying to get gas trying 1:39:12.479 --> 1:39:17.040 to pull the mower. What happened? Tell us what happened. 1:39:17.160 --> 1:39:20.720 So what happened is that the one, one big piece 1:39:20.760 --> 1:39:23.800 of equipment we picked up was a big trail mower 1:39:23.880 --> 1:39:27.040 that we could pull behind our UTV, because, as we 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:29.680 noted earlier, this property is comprised of a lot of 1:39:29.800 --> 1:39:32.599 old brushy fields, and so if we want to do anything, 1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:34.640 whether it be make trails or put in some kind 1:39:34.640 --> 1:39:37.479 of food or whatever, we need to cut that somehow. Um. 1:39:37.840 --> 1:39:40.840 At one point it contemplated taking my John Deere lawnmower 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:44.680 over here and tried it behind my house in some 1:39:44.840 --> 1:39:48.200 similar stuff and got stuck and had had my wife 1:39:48.240 --> 1:39:49.880 come out with my son, and she had to sit 1:39:49.920 --> 1:39:51.080 in the front and try to drive it while I 1:39:51.080 --> 1:39:52.080 was trying to push it out of the mud. And 1:39:52.080 --> 1:39:55.400 I was like, hey, this isn't gonna work. Um, So 1:39:56.120 --> 1:39:59.880 fast forward. We get this mower, I get it a 1:40:00.000 --> 1:40:01.320 pick it up at the store. They drop it on 1:40:01.360 --> 1:40:04.680 our trailer with a skid steer or whatever forklift, And 1:40:04.920 --> 1:40:07.080 when I go to arrive and pick it up, I went, wow, 1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:08.680 this is a lot bigger than I thought it's gonna be. 1:40:08.720 --> 1:40:10.280 How am I going to get this off the trailer. 1:40:10.640 --> 1:40:13.280 There's no way we're picking this thing up. So the 1:40:13.600 --> 1:40:16.000 forklift drops on the trailer. I bring it over. We 1:40:16.120 --> 1:40:19.600 get here and the dilemma unfolds. First, how do we 1:40:19.640 --> 1:40:22.439 get the mower off the trailer? Watching the I'm watching 1:40:22.479 --> 1:40:25.519 the show and can talk, so we had struggles. I 1:40:25.560 --> 1:40:28.400 eventually found I could use the winch on the UTV 1:40:28.560 --> 1:40:31.080 to pull it off of the trailer. It was enclosed 1:40:31.120 --> 1:40:34.040 in this big wooden palette box that I had to 1:40:34.080 --> 1:40:36.240 then try to break apart. I had no good tools, 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:37.920 so I had like had a miniature tool set in 1:40:37.920 --> 1:40:39.800 the back of my truck with like a baby hammer, 1:40:39.880 --> 1:40:41.840 and so I'm trying to like wrench it off with 1:40:41.880 --> 1:40:44.759 a hammer, and that didn't work at all. We finally 1:40:44.800 --> 1:40:46.560 got that to break off. I think we did that 1:40:46.680 --> 1:40:49.599 by using the winch again to break the palette stuff apart, 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:52.479 and then the mow were sitting there beneath me, and 1:40:52.520 --> 1:40:55.479 I'm I'm not good with mechanical things, and mind you. 1:40:55.560 --> 1:40:58.960 Up to this point, there are three of us behind 1:40:59.040 --> 1:41:02.120 the scenes. It's watching me, myself hunter, and then Sam 1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:09.000 the producer, just watching him, offering no assistance. Struggle unfold 1:41:09.120 --> 1:41:11.439 in front of us, and so I hate this stuff. 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:15.160 Like I'm really good at talking and ideas and reading 1:41:15.240 --> 1:41:17.800 and concepts and stuff like that. I am not good 1:41:17.840 --> 1:41:20.400 at tools. I'm not good at building things. My mind's 1:41:20.400 --> 1:41:23.040 not I don't have good spatial awareness. I can't do legos. 1:41:23.120 --> 1:41:26.439 I can't Like that's just not how my main legos 1:41:26.920 --> 1:41:28.880 or whatever your house to build that all that stuff 1:41:29.360 --> 1:41:33.040 just is not my thing. Letting falcon I got so 1:41:33.160 --> 1:41:35.440 like when we get something, let's say we buy a bookshelf, 1:41:36.840 --> 1:41:38.479 my wife is the one who goes through and like 1:41:38.560 --> 1:41:40.080 figures out how to put together, and she's like, okay, 1:41:40.120 --> 1:41:41.960 just hammer that. Okay, now do that. Like I'll get 1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:44.920 so frustrated trying to figure it all out. So then 1:41:45.200 --> 1:41:47.280 this goes to a point where that I made earlier, 1:41:47.400 --> 1:41:49.400 this whole back forward the experiment. It's just kind of 1:41:49.439 --> 1:41:52.640 like putting Mark in a maze like a rat with 1:41:52.800 --> 1:41:55.000 cheese at the end, and then we introduce a lot 1:41:55.000 --> 1:41:59.160 of different stimuli throughout and just see what happens. Yeah, 1:41:59.439 --> 1:42:02.320 this is my ever seen throughout the whole show. Yeah, 1:42:02.400 --> 1:42:05.599 so you know I struggled to put the thing together. 1:42:05.720 --> 1:42:07.519 There's all sorts of channels trying to put it together 1:42:08.120 --> 1:42:10.639 and finally got that done though, and then it was okay, 1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:13.320 I think it's together. Now we just need to start it. 1:42:13.560 --> 1:42:16.400 That can't be that hard. So pull the choke out, 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:19.640 remember to put gas in it, and then started to 1:42:20.040 --> 1:42:23.400 pull on the whatever the hell you call it, and 1:42:24.120 --> 1:42:25.840 it wouldn't start. I pull, it wouldn't start. Pull it 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:27.840 wouldn't start. Pull it wouldn't start. I'm like, what am 1:42:27.840 --> 1:42:30.840 I doing wrong? Is there jokes? Good? Is there? Do 1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:32.479 I need to press one of those little air bubbles 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:34.840 to work gas? Little line? No, I can't find anything 1:42:34.880 --> 1:42:37.560 like that. We've got a very simple single page instruction 1:42:37.760 --> 1:42:40.240 book or instruction sheet. In the thing I'm reading that, 1:42:40.320 --> 1:42:43.479 I don't see anything that I'm doing wrong. Fast forward 1:42:43.520 --> 1:42:45.360 over the course of I don't know what it was, 1:42:45.439 --> 1:42:48.840 an hour or two hours. Um, we could not get 1:42:48.920 --> 1:42:53.280 the more to start. Do you remember this sound? That 1:42:53.320 --> 1:43:00.880 would be the pole count up to eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, 1:43:02.600 --> 1:43:05.760 And there were so many more. Yeah, that's seventeen. I'm 1:43:05.760 --> 1:43:12.360 really like admires eighteen nineteen twenty. That's probably about a 1:43:12.360 --> 1:43:16.880 half dozen clips like that. Did you flood it? Like? No, No, 1:43:17.040 --> 1:43:21.040 it was nothing like that. Um, nothing would work this. 1:43:21.160 --> 1:43:22.840 So then at some point I'm like, okay, it's a wait. 1:43:22.880 --> 1:43:26.639 At some point during this, our camera crew figures out 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:29.120 what's wrong. Yes, so well you're you're just skipping a 1:43:29.120 --> 1:43:33.720 important At one point I realized, okay, screw the fourth 1:43:33.800 --> 1:43:36.160 wall or fifth wall, or over the freak that is, 1:43:36.280 --> 1:43:37.960 I need to talk to my camera crew and get 1:43:37.960 --> 1:43:40.600 their help. Because Hunter, one of these guys, was like 1:43:40.680 --> 1:43:42.800 a small engine mechanic of sorts, did a lot of 1:43:42.800 --> 1:43:45.200 stuff within that Relso I said, Hunter, I don't know 1:43:45.280 --> 1:43:46.519 what the hell is going on here. You need to 1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:48.200 help me. So he comes and starts fiddling, and he 1:43:48.280 --> 1:43:51.160 knows this stuff, and he starts checking spark plugs and 1:43:51.240 --> 1:43:53.799 checking gas lines and popping gas lines off and sucking 1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:56.960 fuel through the line and all these things, and nothing works. 1:43:57.000 --> 1:43:59.360 He takes it all part, finds the flywheels, sees that 1:43:59.400 --> 1:44:00.960 there's a little bit of ust in the flywheel, We 1:44:01.040 --> 1:44:03.519 clean the flywheel, all these things. At one point, how 1:44:03.560 --> 1:44:10.040 to screw driver in the spark plug. We figured out 1:44:10.040 --> 1:44:14.000 there was no spark. So all this stuff happens and 1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:16.240 we don't know what's going on. I am stressed out. 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:18.320 I'm trying to think who else can we call Hunter's 1:44:18.360 --> 1:44:20.800 calling his dad. I'm wondering, like, I gotta I got 1:44:20.920 --> 1:44:22.839 a brother in law who's used to be a mechanic, 1:44:22.920 --> 1:44:25.120 maybe he's got to come over here. And very stressed 1:44:25.120 --> 1:44:27.280 and upset. And this is pretty far into it. And 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:29.280 if we don't get this damn more to work, we 1:44:29.320 --> 1:44:30.680 can't get any of the projects that we need to 1:44:30.680 --> 1:44:32.360 get done. And we've got three days to get this 1:44:32.439 --> 1:44:37.600 part of the stuff done. Um. So I'm stressed, frustrated, frazzled. 1:44:38.120 --> 1:44:41.719 And then a guy shows up, pulls on the driveway. 1:44:41.840 --> 1:44:44.560 I start chatting with him. While I'm chatting with this 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:48.080 guy in the parking lot, were in the driveway. Uh, Jordan, 1:44:48.120 --> 1:44:49.960 do you want to describe what happened next? So we 1:44:50.080 --> 1:44:54.080 were to describe the scene more Hunter at this point, 1:44:54.160 --> 1:44:58.800 how the motor pretty well disassembled and torn apart, and 1:44:58.880 --> 1:45:02.240 he was adjusting something. And I'm the same as Mark, 1:45:02.240 --> 1:45:04.760 I've got no intuition when it comes to you, like 1:45:05.439 --> 1:45:08.080 engines or anything that I'm just not from my head, 1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:10.800 and the ring as me too. Yeah, yeah, it's just 1:45:11.000 --> 1:45:13.760 not good. So Sam, Sam, the producer, and I were 1:45:13.880 --> 1:45:17.120 leaning up in the against the bed of the side 1:45:17.160 --> 1:45:18.880 by side and in the bed of the side by 1:45:18.960 --> 1:45:20.800 side was the I don't know what you'd call it, 1:45:20.920 --> 1:45:25.200 like the the engage lever for the MORE. It's on 1:45:25.320 --> 1:45:28.080 a chord probably what ten ft long something like that 1:45:28.240 --> 1:45:29.840 that you know, he's sitting the back of the side 1:45:29.880 --> 1:45:32.040 by side so you can engage and disengage the MORE. 1:45:32.680 --> 1:45:35.639 And it was just sitting there and I looked down 1:45:35.720 --> 1:45:38.360 and Marcus talking to the guy that had showed shown 1:45:38.439 --> 1:45:42.000 up there, and it's like, man, that almost looks like 1:45:42.080 --> 1:45:45.360 an ignition switch for a key. And then the light 1:45:45.400 --> 1:45:50.000 bulblent on somewhere along the process. And we had even 1:45:50.120 --> 1:45:53.960 looked for like some kind of ignition on the more buttons. 1:45:53.960 --> 1:45:59.040 They're switches or something red the instruction, instruction, instruction, And 1:45:59.080 --> 1:46:01.519 it all came down to you putting a key in 1:46:01.560 --> 1:46:04.160 that little switch and twisting it sideways. So well, Mark 1:46:04.280 --> 1:46:06.880 was finishing up this conversation we called Hunter over. The 1:46:07.000 --> 1:46:08.400 light bulb went off in his head. He went and 1:46:08.479 --> 1:46:10.560 got the key, put the key in and flipped it 1:46:10.640 --> 1:46:12.760 and we got ready to film again. We're like Mark, 1:46:14.120 --> 1:46:17.040 if we feel like Hunters pretty confident this is we 1:46:17.200 --> 1:46:19.519 think we think he got it. So he put the 1:46:19.600 --> 1:46:21.400 cat back on the moor and he's like, yeah, I think. 1:46:21.439 --> 1:46:24.519 I think what I did we will work, hopefully, And 1:46:24.680 --> 1:46:27.160 so the guy leaves. I'm like, okay, God, damn it. 1:46:27.200 --> 1:46:29.280 If this doesn't work, I don't know what we're gonna do. Literally, 1:46:29.360 --> 1:46:31.320 we are shipped out of luck. If this doesn't work, 1:46:32.760 --> 1:46:36.400 I'm done. We'll try one more time. So I stand 1:46:36.479 --> 1:46:38.000 over it and I take a deep breath and then 1:46:38.000 --> 1:46:40.240 in my head like sweet baby Jesus, please work, and 1:46:40.320 --> 1:46:43.880 I crank that cord and the sucker ran like a 1:46:44.040 --> 1:46:46.960 charm and I lost my ship. I was very, very excited. 1:46:47.160 --> 1:46:49.479 The reaction that was shown in the episode was the 1:46:49.560 --> 1:46:54.760 happiest human being. Yeah, it's it's it was, it was. 1:46:54.920 --> 1:47:03.439 It's a beautiful time. It's very excited Chris Mark. Yeah. 1:47:05.160 --> 1:47:08.120 And then he just jumps in the cannon and takes 1:47:08.160 --> 1:47:12.519 off and we're just like, I guess we'll meet you 1:47:12.800 --> 1:47:18.760 down there to work well, Mark, Yeah, but we did 1:47:18.840 --> 1:47:20.880 not tell him about the key, right, Yeah, that's the 1:47:20.880 --> 1:47:22.479 other things. They didn't tell me why it worked. I 1:47:22.600 --> 1:47:24.960 just thought that Hunter had fixed it somehow. And then 1:47:25.479 --> 1:47:27.240 Hunter was telling me today in the tree stand that 1:47:27.439 --> 1:47:30.400 you were nervous about it's shutting off so you would 1:47:30.439 --> 1:47:34.040 just keep the mower on. Well, it never I didn't 1:47:34.040 --> 1:47:37.080 know how to turn off. I don't know I didn't 1:47:37.080 --> 1:47:38.720 know how. I don't know how it turned on, So 1:47:38.800 --> 1:47:40.559 how would I know it turned her off? So another 1:47:40.600 --> 1:47:42.479 guy shows up the property I'm mowing, and then another 1:47:42.520 --> 1:47:44.559 guy shows up and I go to talk to him, 1:47:44.600 --> 1:47:46.120 and I'm like, how do I turn this mower off? 1:47:46.120 --> 1:47:47.720 And then it dawns and me like, oh, I don't 1:47:47.760 --> 1:47:50.720 know how. So I just like dialed it down and 1:47:50.920 --> 1:47:52.840 went over walked and talked to him while the mower 1:47:52.920 --> 1:47:55.600 still kind of running. And I don't want to I 1:47:55.640 --> 1:47:57.720 don't want to sit there like show him that I 1:47:57.760 --> 1:47:59.559 don't know what I'm doing. So then I come back 1:47:59.600 --> 1:48:01.439 to it. And then did you guys tell me at 1:48:01.479 --> 1:48:05.360 that point I kept his secrets. The only one he 1:48:05.400 --> 1:48:06.920 turned off is I would run until it ran out 1:48:06.920 --> 1:48:11.519 of gas. You probably got it started around like noon 1:48:11.840 --> 1:48:14.240 or something like that, and it was it had to 1:48:14.320 --> 1:48:16.920 been after six by the time that we were like wrapped, 1:48:17.080 --> 1:48:19.479 and that whole time you just I still have no idea, 1:48:19.760 --> 1:48:21.320 And then you told me he come over to talk 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:24.360 to us, and he just idled it down. Man, We 1:48:24.439 --> 1:48:26.439 got their action on camera, which is pretty good. Was good. 1:48:26.520 --> 1:48:28.320 It was a good part Episode two. And then and 1:48:28.400 --> 1:48:32.760 then really like briefly after all that commotion, I show up. 1:48:33.880 --> 1:48:36.200 We got a hank, some tree stands and do some 1:48:36.360 --> 1:48:40.040 ground blind stuff, some basic hunting prop. And I show 1:48:40.160 --> 1:48:43.919 up and it's boy, it's a hundred and fifteen degrees 1:48:44.040 --> 1:48:48.040 with a humidity something like that. You step literally step 1:48:48.160 --> 1:48:52.120 out of the vehicle and you start sweating. Is there's 1:48:52.160 --> 1:48:55.720 it's involuntary at this point. And I come to find 1:48:55.760 --> 1:49:00.520 out that everybody is covering chicker bites, everybody's covered in garbytes, 1:49:01.080 --> 1:49:06.200 everybody's pulling ticks off themselves. There's just it's an air 1:49:06.360 --> 1:49:09.120 of desperation on the back. Stuff that can get you. Yeah, 1:49:09.200 --> 1:49:12.080 And then I come and start sweating, and then realized 1:49:12.160 --> 1:49:14.600 that there are things that are out to get me, 1:49:15.120 --> 1:49:18.719 including bees. I got. We were we didn't have the tools. 1:49:18.760 --> 1:49:21.720 As Doug durn Well here in a future episode he 1:49:21.840 --> 1:49:23.559 says that we have what do you say? He said, 1:49:23.560 --> 1:49:26.200 you don't have equipment, you have toys. We have toys. 1:49:26.680 --> 1:49:29.280 That's how he described the toys whacking. I was had 1:49:29.280 --> 1:49:33.680 a sickle and I was like whacking trails, sweating, and 1:49:33.760 --> 1:49:40.599 I whacked myself right into a bee hive, a little whacking. Yeah, 1:49:40.920 --> 1:49:47.040 I whacked off. I'll take you there, I'll take you there. 1:49:47.520 --> 1:49:49.559 So I got stung by bees. We sweated it out, 1:49:49.640 --> 1:49:53.479 but we did get a lot done. We hang tree stands, 1:49:53.560 --> 1:50:00.320 hung ground binds, plepped ground blinds, prepped everything, so food 1:50:00.360 --> 1:50:02.920 plots you got in there in that very short time 1:50:03.000 --> 1:50:05.840 we filmed it all. We like pulled the rabbit out 1:50:05.840 --> 1:50:10.960 of the hat somehow got this place semi prepared for 1:50:11.680 --> 1:50:14.360 the hunting season to come. Would definitely say semi. Even 1:50:14.400 --> 1:50:16.519 when it was done, I still felt like, oh, there's 1:50:16.520 --> 1:50:18.160 so many things we could have done, we couldn't do. 1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:20.360 But we did learn a lot about the property. We 1:50:20.520 --> 1:50:23.200 learned about what we could do, and then got as 1:50:23.280 --> 1:50:26.479 much done as we could before Mark as his his 1:50:26.600 --> 1:50:30.120 tradition in Michigan to leave a property rest for about 1:50:30.200 --> 1:50:34.120 thirty days prior to the October one opening this year, 1:50:34.160 --> 1:50:36.840 which is about a month ago. I had to show 1:50:36.880 --> 1:50:39.719 you how it's how how quick we turned this stuff around, 1:50:40.640 --> 1:50:43.760 um and on. Before the opener, Steve had said this 1:50:43.880 --> 1:50:46.760 a bunch and I'm looking at a pine squirrel. Pine 1:50:46.800 --> 1:50:49.080 squirrel out the window right now now that's out of 1:50:49.120 --> 1:50:51.840 the road. Steven talked about hunting the squirrel opener a 1:50:51.920 --> 1:50:53.439 bunch when he was here. He had talked to me 1:50:53.560 --> 1:50:55.639 about it. He very much wanted to film a show 1:50:55.720 --> 1:50:59.560 around squirrel hunting. And from the very beginning, you said no, 1:51:00.000 --> 1:51:03.160 I can't do it. Well, it didn't say no, I said, Look, 1:51:03.240 --> 1:51:07.439 I told me like, uh no, I said, I know 1:51:07.600 --> 1:51:11.080 this isn't my decision to make, but I strongly would 1:51:11.120 --> 1:51:16.040 suggest we consider the implications of that because and no 1:51:16.160 --> 1:51:20.479 one still knowing takes me seriously on this, but everyone 1:51:20.560 --> 1:51:22.280 still thinks them full of ship. Unless you are a 1:51:22.400 --> 1:51:26.120 serious deer hunter in an area of high hunting pressure, 1:51:26.280 --> 1:51:29.519 then you get it six d and fifteen thousand deer hunters, 1:51:31.160 --> 1:51:33.240 and most of that, the vast majority of that is 1:51:33.320 --> 1:51:35.519 crammed at the bottom third of the state. That bottom 1:51:35.560 --> 1:51:39.680 third of the state is smaller, probably definitely smaller than 1:51:39.720 --> 1:51:41.840 the state of Iowa. But that whole state of Iowa 1:51:41.920 --> 1:51:46.719 has sixty So you can compare, like IWA's a hunting 1:51:46.760 --> 1:51:49.160 mecca compared to what we're dealing with here in Michigan. 1:51:49.200 --> 1:51:51.880 So the the big picture here is that there aren't 1:51:51.880 --> 1:51:53.920 a lot of mature bucks here and the deer that 1:51:53.960 --> 1:51:58.559 are here are super savvy, super uh. They're on pins 1:51:58.600 --> 1:52:01.240 and needles. The hardest place I've ever hunted when it 1:52:01.240 --> 1:52:02.840 comes to any on a lot of white tails stays. 1:52:02.920 --> 1:52:05.640 No state is more difficult than here. So but that 1:52:05.720 --> 1:52:07.680 being the case, the one way to get around that 1:52:07.880 --> 1:52:12.360 is to try to approach your hunting wherever you're hunting 1:52:12.479 --> 1:52:15.000 in a way that you do everything you possibly can 1:52:15.360 --> 1:52:17.559 to keep those deer from knowing that there's human hunters around. 1:52:18.000 --> 1:52:20.120 So that is the filter that every decision I make 1:52:20.200 --> 1:52:22.720 passes through when it comes to how I approach a 1:52:22.800 --> 1:52:27.400 property in Michigan. So going in there two weeks before 1:52:27.479 --> 1:52:29.800 opening day and walking over the property, it seemed like 1:52:29.840 --> 1:52:32.599 a really good way to put every possible deer on alert, 1:52:32.840 --> 1:52:35.559 especially the mature buck that you're hoping is out there. 1:52:36.600 --> 1:52:39.760 Very rarely have I found a property with more than 1:52:40.080 --> 1:52:42.960 you know, one mature buck in Michigan that you might 1:52:43.000 --> 1:52:44.800 be a hunt. And to this point, you put out 1:52:44.840 --> 1:52:47.000 a bunch of traild cameras. We we did not say 1:52:47.080 --> 1:52:48.840 like during that we hud a bunch of trail cameras, 1:52:48.920 --> 1:52:51.120 made some mock scrapes, all the all the things that 1:52:51.200 --> 1:52:55.360 you generally do to deer season, but there wasn't like, 1:52:56.040 --> 1:52:58.160 you know, mid September, we're like, hey, we got seven 1:52:58.240 --> 1:53:00.479 or eight really nice box walking around that not a 1:53:00.720 --> 1:53:03.560 single one. It's not a single buck some doze and 1:53:03.640 --> 1:53:05.519 that's about it. Like year and a half old bucks 1:53:05.560 --> 1:53:07.840 and dozes all we got on trail camera, which is like, 1:53:07.920 --> 1:53:10.320 we're gonna, oh, we've you know, bought this property. We 1:53:10.560 --> 1:53:12.599 sink all our time, our whole fall into this, We're 1:53:12.640 --> 1:53:14.680 gonna think about this all fall in the next fall too. 1:53:14.720 --> 1:53:16.519 We're gonna give it away. We're gonna give a hunt away. 1:53:17.040 --> 1:53:19.439 Oh my god, Oh my god, this is not good. 1:53:19.720 --> 1:53:23.800 Yeah and so and so I just said, hey, we 1:53:23.880 --> 1:53:26.080 can do whatever you guys want, but just know that's 1:53:26.120 --> 1:53:28.000 not going to help our deer hunting efforts. Like it 1:53:28.080 --> 1:53:29.760 might not be the underworld might be fine, but at 1:53:29.760 --> 1:53:31.519 the same time, it's it's definitely not helping, I'll tell 1:53:31.520 --> 1:53:33.360 you that much. And if that one mature buck that 1:53:33.439 --> 1:53:35.680 we're after happens to be in the area when we 1:53:35.800 --> 1:53:38.000 walk all over and leave sent everywhere, that's probably gonna 1:53:38.000 --> 1:53:41.400 impact his daylight movement. That's probably gonna impact our chances 1:53:41.400 --> 1:53:45.960 at least early um and again guarantee. But these are 1:53:45.960 --> 1:53:47.600 the things I was concerned about. And we'll let you 1:53:47.680 --> 1:53:50.559 watch the episode you've watched already because we've paused twice, 1:53:50.640 --> 1:53:55.840 forced to do that pause again. Okay, we're back. Um, 1:53:56.120 --> 1:53:59.720 how about that more Yeah, that more pools. I mean, 1:54:00.320 --> 1:54:04.080 I was impressed by your persistence, your strength, I mean, 1:54:04.240 --> 1:54:06.559 it's it's strength was key like a man's man at 1:54:06.600 --> 1:54:09.200 that point. I hear that a lot. And so the 1:54:09.400 --> 1:54:11.680 episode three of the show, which you've already watched at 1:54:11.760 --> 1:54:15.840 least three times by now, um, is the Squirrel Hunt 1:54:16.000 --> 1:54:19.559 or Steve Comes Stephen Yanni come to Hunt. Opening day. 1:54:19.560 --> 1:54:21.120 You can watch the show to see what happened. It's 1:54:21.120 --> 1:54:23.080 pretty true to life, is exactly what happened here. But 1:54:23.760 --> 1:54:26.280 they didn't really find any squirrels on the property either, 1:54:26.520 --> 1:54:29.960 other than a few pine squirrels here and there. Um. 1:54:30.439 --> 1:54:31.880 And so at the end of that day, we did 1:54:32.000 --> 1:54:34.000 not a lot of pressure on the farm. Nothing really 1:54:34.720 --> 1:54:38.520 um crazy occurred. But also we're getting to the point 1:54:38.560 --> 1:54:40.800 where we're looking for animals. They had a way to 1:54:40.880 --> 1:54:43.000 bird survey. Of course there's lots of birds, but that's 1:54:43.000 --> 1:54:47.880 not surprising. UM saw some turkeys. Um, what even like 1:54:48.000 --> 1:54:50.040 a what else did you find, like a badger or 1:54:50.520 --> 1:54:53.320 some kind of wood chuck? Was us thinking of, we've 1:54:53.360 --> 1:54:58.520 got woodchuck, A lot of a lot of animals hanging around, 1:54:58.600 --> 1:55:01.120 But that's not necessarily the kind of animals that we 1:55:01.240 --> 1:55:04.880 like to eat um in the fall. So I couldn't 1:55:04.880 --> 1:55:07.200 find a squirrel. Don't have a picture of a deer. 1:55:08.960 --> 1:55:12.360 Mature mature deer, yeah, dear, but not the kind of 1:55:12.440 --> 1:55:14.120 deer that we would target in a place like this. 1:55:15.360 --> 1:55:20.880 And so things are kind of looking interesting we're looking 1:55:20.920 --> 1:55:22.680 for We're like, did we buy a dud of a 1:55:22.760 --> 1:55:24.640 property that no matter what we do to it, we're 1:55:24.680 --> 1:55:27.360 not going to have what we want to have? Or 1:55:27.440 --> 1:55:31.400 are we just in for a longer road that we thought? Yeah? 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:33.480 And I always kept going back to I just I 1:55:33.640 --> 1:55:36.400 know it's got a pretty It's just it's surrounded by 1:55:36.520 --> 1:55:41.640 too many good things. It has the potential that's it's 1:55:41.680 --> 1:55:43.800 got something's gotta show up eventually. I just didn't know when, 1:55:44.040 --> 1:55:46.360 or to what degree or what a mom but something 1:55:46.440 --> 1:55:49.560 would show I just every time we checked cameras or 1:55:49.600 --> 1:55:51.280 would sit out here and Scott we sat a decent 1:55:51.360 --> 1:55:53.120 number of nights. Those nights we were working me and 1:55:53.200 --> 1:55:54.640 Jordan would come out and sit in the tree and 1:55:54.720 --> 1:55:56.480 watch the fields in the summer to try to get 1:55:56.520 --> 1:56:00.720 eyes on stuff and kept on being like repeatedly from 1:56:00.760 --> 1:56:03.600 August all the way through November. My main reaction was 1:56:03.680 --> 1:56:06.080 I don't get it, Like, there should be more. This 1:56:06.200 --> 1:56:08.440 looks too good. Why aren't we seeing more, dear, why 1:56:08.480 --> 1:56:11.360 aren't we seeing bucks? What? I've spent a lot of 1:56:11.440 --> 1:56:13.800 time and a lot of properties in a lot of places, 1:56:14.720 --> 1:56:17.800 and this one has perplexed me a lot compared to 1:56:17.880 --> 1:56:21.600 many others, which, you know, that's a nice cocktail for 1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:24.800 a lot of anxiety when you're like, we put a 1:56:24.840 --> 1:56:28.360 lot into this, we're counting on this to work. If 1:56:28.400 --> 1:56:30.680 it doesn't work, we're gonna be screwed in so many ways. 1:56:30.840 --> 1:56:33.960 And then have like the kind of mysterious lack of 1:56:34.240 --> 1:56:37.280 mature white tails and other things that we want to 1:56:37.320 --> 1:56:40.880 see here was stressful, But then you come out for 1:56:41.000 --> 1:56:44.280 opening day at by the time opening day October is 1:56:44.320 --> 1:56:47.200 only a month ago that we first hunted this place, 1:56:47.280 --> 1:56:49.560 where you first hunted this place, and that by this 1:56:49.680 --> 1:56:51.880 time there's a few bucks starting to show up on 1:56:51.920 --> 1:56:56.080 show camera. In particular, one the only buck that that 1:56:56.280 --> 1:56:58.960 you saw and you said to me this to me 1:56:59.120 --> 1:57:01.280 and others and even on the show, that you felt 1:57:01.360 --> 1:57:03.640 was like a semi resident of the property, like he 1:57:03.760 --> 1:57:05.800 was hanging in the zone, like he was of the 1:57:05.840 --> 1:57:07.520 CC four acres. He was covering a lot of him 1:57:07.520 --> 1:57:09.520 in his daily route. Like we know that deer have 1:57:10.480 --> 1:57:13.160 roughly up home range of a mile or something like that, 1:57:13.440 --> 1:57:18.640 like our sixty four acres was in his home range. Yeah, 1:57:18.680 --> 1:57:22.760 and and and it wasn't like he was super duper frequent. 1:57:22.760 --> 1:57:24.040 I'm just saying he was the most of all the 1:57:24.120 --> 1:57:25.960 bucks that we did get occasional pictures of. I mean, 1:57:26.000 --> 1:57:30.040 we might have pictures of him once once or twice 1:57:30.080 --> 1:57:32.640 a week. You know. It wasn't like you're seeing him 1:57:33.000 --> 1:57:35.240 every day passing through. And we've got a lot of cameras. 1:57:35.800 --> 1:57:38.680 I had at least ten cameras running, and I went 1:57:38.800 --> 1:57:40.880 get one picture of him on one of those cameras 1:57:41.120 --> 1:57:43.400 once or twice a week. So he was he was. 1:57:43.760 --> 1:57:46.240 He was the most common visitor though. And he's like 1:57:46.320 --> 1:57:50.840 the deer I said yesterday that he this deer that 1:57:50.960 --> 1:57:54.120 marked up the wide eight is like the perfect deer 1:57:54.360 --> 1:57:58.000 for this scenario, because if you were to look at 1:57:58.120 --> 1:58:01.400 him In fact, I think he had somebody comment, um 1:58:02.680 --> 1:58:05.480 when you when you killed him, like, shouldn't you let 1:58:05.560 --> 1:58:08.680 him walk? Shouldn't let him another years when you should 1:58:08.680 --> 1:58:10.960 have passed? And maybe in normal parlance, if you're looking 1:58:11.000 --> 1:58:13.920 at hunting magazine, a white til magazine, or you're looking 1:58:14.040 --> 1:58:17.520 watching some certain TV shows like the only deer that 1:58:17.600 --> 1:58:22.320 are killed our giant two d in hundred fifty plus 1:58:22.440 --> 1:58:25.840 inch animals, and so that could secuse your perspective. But 1:58:25.920 --> 1:58:28.720 for a property like this in a state like Michigan, 1:58:29.400 --> 1:58:32.280 the deer that we called the wide eight because of 1:58:32.360 --> 1:58:35.840 his body size and its maturity, the way they looked 1:58:36.360 --> 1:58:40.040 and what he did, he was a mature deer that 1:58:40.160 --> 1:58:43.800 you'd want to hunt and outwit and pattern and kill 1:58:44.760 --> 1:58:47.600 these Michael, those are my goals to do that with 1:58:47.800 --> 1:58:50.680 mature bucks. And where and again I don't want this 1:58:50.760 --> 1:58:53.680 to sound like humorous, but like where this property and 1:58:53.760 --> 1:58:55.680 that deer line is the fact that this is just 1:58:55.760 --> 1:58:58.360 a pretty normal property. It's sixty four acres. We didn't 1:58:58.360 --> 1:59:00.880 pay a big chunk of change for this. It was 1:59:00.960 --> 1:59:04.680 relatively inexpensive pal we got a great deal. Shopped around 1:59:04.680 --> 1:59:06.440 and get a good deal, and so we weren't like 1:59:06.760 --> 1:59:09.240 in here, just dropping millions of dollars trying to get 1:59:09.240 --> 1:59:11.080 the best thing going. We wanted to get a property 1:59:11.120 --> 1:59:13.160 that was accessible, that we could get in short order, 1:59:13.200 --> 1:59:16.320 that we knew we could make better. And the animal 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:20.240 living on that is as normal and as typical as 1:59:20.320 --> 1:59:22.080 the property in which it lives and the one that 1:59:22.160 --> 1:59:24.640 we bought. So I always I thought, even after the fact, 1:59:24.720 --> 1:59:27.680 but even during like this isn't a a buck that's 1:59:27.720 --> 1:59:30.000 gonna play well on the Graham unless we tell his story. 1:59:30.240 --> 1:59:32.960 But that doesn't matter needed with this property if you 1:59:33.000 --> 1:59:37.240 try to try to talk about it. But it's emblematic 1:59:37.320 --> 1:59:40.480 of pretty normal deer hunting across this country. Not everybody 1:59:40.600 --> 1:59:43.560 has farm and I would have killed big bucks or 1:59:44.120 --> 1:59:46.040 been blessed the folks that do nothing bad on them. 1:59:46.160 --> 1:59:48.560 This is just a scenario that we chose to be 1:59:48.640 --> 1:59:50.760 in and found ourselves in. And that's what the hand 1:59:50.840 --> 1:59:53.000 we're playing, the Handwred dealt like most people in this 1:59:53.120 --> 1:59:55.560 kind of a lot of people that are doing that. Um. 1:59:55.960 --> 1:59:58.920 And so your first day hunting this place was like 1:59:59.000 --> 2:00:02.800 first week October, and you spooked that the wide a. Yeah, 2:00:02.840 --> 2:00:07.000 first time we ever saw him, um was our first 2:00:07.080 --> 2:00:10.720 hunt came slipping in and and I'm very O c 2:00:10.880 --> 2:00:12.680 D about everything when it comes to deer hunting, but 2:00:12.880 --> 2:00:15.360 accessing and exiting a property are usually something of I'm 2:00:15.480 --> 2:00:18.280 very keen on doing carefully so as to avoid places 2:00:18.320 --> 2:00:20.160 where you think dear will be bettered. If you're spooking 2:00:20.200 --> 2:00:21.480 deer when you go in or when you go out, 2:00:21.480 --> 2:00:23.480 they're going to very quickly change the behavior. So I 2:00:23.640 --> 2:00:25.800 planned a route to get to the tree stand we 2:00:25.880 --> 2:00:29.640 want to hunt that would be uh circuitous enough to 2:00:29.880 --> 2:00:32.800 avoid the swampy area and the honey hoole area where 2:00:32.800 --> 2:00:35.520 I expected most dear to be bedded. So it took 2:00:35.560 --> 2:00:38.040 this long, roundabout way around the outside of the property 2:00:38.200 --> 2:00:41.080 and long an area I would never expect a buck 2:00:41.120 --> 2:00:42.680 to be bedded right in the edge of our old 2:00:42.760 --> 2:00:45.720 field and a wide open piece of timber, like this 2:00:45.920 --> 2:00:47.680 is not thick timber, This is not good cover, this 2:00:47.800 --> 2:00:50.000 is just open park timber. You can see across a 2:00:50.080 --> 2:00:52.960 hundred yards a buck jumps up right off from the 2:00:53.040 --> 2:00:54.640 edge and goes running away, and I can see just 2:00:54.760 --> 2:00:57.080 a really wide, heavy buck and I'm like, holy crap, 2:00:57.600 --> 2:00:59.400 that is that buck that we got a picture of. 2:00:59.480 --> 2:01:01.160 We had one picture of a mature buck on sept 2:01:02.080 --> 2:01:04.400 And I bet you was that buck. And that buck 2:01:04.440 --> 2:01:05.920 can be known the White eight. So we spooked the 2:01:05.920 --> 2:01:08.400 White eight in the first hunt in here, and then 2:01:09.160 --> 2:01:11.960 from that point on we started getting you know, pictures 2:01:12.000 --> 2:01:14.160 of him here and there. Do you want me to 2:01:14.320 --> 2:01:17.880 keep going with the hunt? Not for you? Like, here's 2:01:17.880 --> 2:01:23.400 the deal? Well, fast forward to ways there is white 2:01:23.440 --> 2:01:27.440 sail hunting is um not physically strenuous in a lot 2:01:27.480 --> 2:01:34.280 of ways, but it's mentally it's a bit mentally. You're 2:01:34.320 --> 2:01:39.800 talking about waking up every day at four thirty am. 2:01:40.760 --> 2:01:44.200 You know, these guys are rigging camera gear. There's charging 2:01:44.320 --> 2:01:49.440 batteries there, backing up cards there too. You know, Mark 2:01:49.600 --> 2:01:52.840 is checking traill cameras, trying to figure out what each 2:01:52.920 --> 2:01:54.440 day is gonna be. And you gotta do this for 2:01:54.760 --> 2:01:57.680 usually a good while if you're dedicated enough to really 2:01:58.280 --> 2:02:01.240 get the buck you're after or at the goal that draft. 2:02:02.280 --> 2:02:06.240 So this is I mean, we're sitting November what six, 2:02:06.680 --> 2:02:09.280 November six, that's set in the middle of the rut, 2:02:09.640 --> 2:02:12.400 and by the time I got here, Douggie Derran had 2:02:12.440 --> 2:02:16.080 already been here. There have been other guests. He shot 2:02:16.120 --> 2:02:20.440 a dough off the property but there wasn't much going on, 2:02:20.760 --> 2:02:23.240 Like we had some pictures of deer and we spooked 2:02:23.360 --> 2:02:25.920 one that was kind of good, but that was it, 2:02:26.440 --> 2:02:28.760 and se nothing. But does in a couple of year 2:02:28.800 --> 2:02:32.960 in Anthle Bucks and sitting like, let alone, five or 2:02:32.960 --> 2:02:35.640 six hours, sitting twelve hours in a tree and seeing 2:02:35.720 --> 2:02:40.280 like five deer it's hard to describe how mentally and 2:02:40.360 --> 2:02:42.960 even physically because you're trying to stay warm, exhausting those 2:02:43.000 --> 2:02:44.640 things are. To do it for two or three days, 2:02:44.640 --> 2:02:47.120 it's hard enough to do it for weeks at a 2:02:47.240 --> 2:02:51.120 time with the pressure not only the pressure of I'd 2:02:51.200 --> 2:02:53.080 love to kill a deer, but the impressure of an 2:02:53.240 --> 2:02:57.280 entire show, the impressure of this entire project to pay 2:02:57.360 --> 2:02:59.800 off all the hard work of everybody at this table, 2:03:00.040 --> 2:03:05.160 everybody else that's touched this project, I would say, turned 2:03:05.200 --> 2:03:09.200 into a real stressed out Mark Kenyon and I think 2:03:09.240 --> 2:03:12.440 everybody is kind of feeling like this has to something 2:03:12.520 --> 2:03:14.280 has to come of this. If we go through all 2:03:14.440 --> 2:03:17.480 year and nothing comes of this, we're gonna be spinning 2:03:17.520 --> 2:03:20.600 a yard. That's probably bullshit, because we're gonna be disappointed 2:03:20.680 --> 2:03:23.960 and we're gonna want people to be interested. Still, so 2:03:24.240 --> 2:03:29.960 incomes the wide eight. Is that's the perfect buck to 2:03:30.040 --> 2:03:33.240 be hunting, because again, he is who he is, and 2:03:33.560 --> 2:03:36.360 he's the only one. There's other you had, like the 2:03:36.440 --> 2:03:38.720 toy Aid and a funky nine, like some other dre 2:03:38.760 --> 2:03:40.960 that we're showing up a couple of times on camera, 2:03:41.080 --> 2:03:42.880 but you just don't know. And the run you really 2:03:42.920 --> 2:03:45.600 don't know anyway. But so I got here a couple 2:03:45.640 --> 2:03:47.960 of days, three or four days ago, whatever, I don't 2:03:48.000 --> 2:03:51.720 know what the days are now. Um, you know, over 2:03:51.760 --> 2:03:55.960 the weekend and you start hunting, you've already been hunting. 2:03:56.000 --> 2:03:58.360 You guys have already been sleeping in Tim and Leese's 2:03:59.040 --> 2:04:04.720 excellent cam for not showering, sleeping for a very short time, 2:04:05.760 --> 2:04:09.920 producing this show, running ragged, doing this, not seeing your family's, 2:04:10.120 --> 2:04:13.720 not talking to your people, trapped in the back forty 2:04:14.760 --> 2:04:20.760 for the foreseeable future. Picking up there. Yeah, it's November five. 2:04:21.200 --> 2:04:24.960 What are you feeling on November five? I can tell 2:04:24.960 --> 2:04:26.080 you what. Let me just start by saying what I 2:04:26.200 --> 2:04:27.760 was feeling. I've only been here for like two days 2:04:27.800 --> 2:04:33.360 at that point, I'm already pissed. Like we've seen not much. 2:04:33.680 --> 2:04:35.480 It's the deer density is so low. You just kind 2:04:35.480 --> 2:04:37.040 of see a few deer here and there. It's not 2:04:37.080 --> 2:04:39.920 like you're sitting around watching deer all day. It's pretty 2:04:39.960 --> 2:04:42.720 hopeless when you haven't seen a buck that you'd like 2:04:42.800 --> 2:04:44.760 to draw your bow on, because you just don't have 2:04:44.920 --> 2:04:48.280 that anticipation around every corner. You kids trying to feel 2:04:48.320 --> 2:04:51.600 dead inside. You feel a little bit depressed. Thanks for 2:04:51.680 --> 2:04:53.480 me either, whiskey helped us out there a little bit. 2:04:53.520 --> 2:04:57.560 But that's that's a stressful feeling for everybody when you're trying. 2:04:57.640 --> 2:04:59.640 We're all pushing towards a goal, and it doesn't feel 2:04:59.680 --> 2:05:01.800 like like you can't even see the end zone if 2:05:01.840 --> 2:05:04.440 you don't even know what's what's there, and so we're 2:05:04.480 --> 2:05:08.640 all feeling pretty anxious. I feel about what we're doing, 2:05:08.760 --> 2:05:11.000 still having a good time, still filming, doing our thing, 2:05:11.120 --> 2:05:15.920 doing our jobs as they were, but feeling pretty pretty 2:05:16.000 --> 2:05:17.800 I was. I was like said, I was telling Hunter, 2:05:17.880 --> 2:05:19.560 we're in the tree, and like, dude, I'm feeling pissed. 2:05:19.560 --> 2:05:21.880 I don't know, Mark keeps it positive vibes about him. 2:05:22.240 --> 2:05:23.840 I'm he have been only been here two days and 2:05:23.920 --> 2:05:27.400 I'm already like, where what are we doing? Yeah, So 2:05:27.600 --> 2:05:30.800 I was flashing back and forth between these two sides 2:05:30.880 --> 2:05:38.040 where I was simultaneously really frustrated and perplexed. And then 2:05:38.040 --> 2:05:40.800 I would always constantly try to remind myself though, and 2:05:40.960 --> 2:05:42.640 it can change in a second. It can change in 2:05:42.640 --> 2:05:46.000 a second, like every year when it comes to November, 2:05:46.080 --> 2:05:48.520 regardless of all these other things that are related back forward, 2:05:48.560 --> 2:05:50.760 even on a usual hunting year, for a lot of 2:05:50.800 --> 2:05:53.080 people to take deer hunting really seriously, the rut is 2:05:53.560 --> 2:05:55.280 that's what we look forward to all year. This is 2:05:55.320 --> 2:05:57.280 the time to get it done. And so usually you're 2:05:57.960 --> 2:06:00.440 the fate of your season rests on as two week 2:06:00.480 --> 2:06:02.480 period for a lot of people, especially in Michigan, because 2:06:02.520 --> 2:06:06.080 when gun season arrives on November, everything changes. Most of 2:06:06.080 --> 2:06:09.800 the bucks get killed. Those that survive are nocturnal. Like 2:06:10.240 --> 2:06:11.800 from a lot of bow hunters, you kind of consider 2:06:11.840 --> 2:06:14.960 November fourteenth or last day unless you've got us really 2:06:15.000 --> 2:06:18.080 special property or something. Um. So that's the way I 2:06:18.120 --> 2:06:21.120 was looking at it and feeling like, wow, this is 2:06:21.320 --> 2:06:23.280 you know, every day that ticks off the calendar is 2:06:23.480 --> 2:06:26.960 well one less chance now we're running that time. We 2:06:27.080 --> 2:06:29.080 only have so many days to film here, so all 2:06:29.200 --> 2:06:31.760 that's weighing on me and and and we had been 2:06:31.800 --> 2:06:33.640 going into our very best spots. We've been saving our 2:06:33.680 --> 2:06:36.200 best spots for November. We go into our best spots, 2:06:36.240 --> 2:06:39.280 like the Honey Hoole, and it is not producing like 2:06:39.360 --> 2:06:42.680 we thought. I had all these high expectations, um, imagining 2:06:43.080 --> 2:06:46.600 deer pouring through here, funneling along this ridge, bucks coming 2:06:46.640 --> 2:06:48.240 out of the bedding, or checking the doe bedding that 2:06:48.280 --> 2:06:50.560 I thought would be there. To a degree, maybe a 2:06:50.640 --> 2:06:53.240 little bit is um. But like you said, deer density 2:06:53.520 --> 2:06:55.840 and sightings were so much lower than I expected, much 2:06:55.880 --> 2:06:58.000 lower than any other place I've hundred in southern Michigan. 2:06:58.560 --> 2:07:01.240 Um uh. We we don't need to get into all 2:07:01.280 --> 2:07:03.840 the games that might be. But um, but yeah, I 2:07:03.920 --> 2:07:06.640 was perpox, I was frustrated. I was stressed, but trying 2:07:06.680 --> 2:07:09.760 to stay optimistic because you are hunting. You can't complain 2:07:09.800 --> 2:07:12.840 about that. And number two, it can change like that. 2:07:13.600 --> 2:07:15.640 So that gets us to November five. I said, all right, 2:07:15.640 --> 2:07:17.680 screw the Honey Hoole. We gave it a shot. We're 2:07:17.720 --> 2:07:20.440 moving on to something different. We decided to set up 2:07:20.480 --> 2:07:22.760 on the edge of the swamp in the sanctuary area, 2:07:23.840 --> 2:07:26.360 and the hunt started pretty slow. That weren't seeing anything. 2:07:27.040 --> 2:07:28.800 We had a little bit excitement when we hear buck 2:07:28.920 --> 2:07:30.800 grunting in the swamp, but you couldn't see him. You 2:07:30.840 --> 2:07:33.160 can just hear some crashing in the occasional little ramp. 2:07:33.480 --> 2:07:35.880 At the same time that morning, I'm across the farm 2:07:36.520 --> 2:07:41.560 north of you guys, sitting in the field number four 2:07:41.760 --> 2:07:44.600 where I got stuck by bees not too many months 2:07:44.680 --> 2:07:47.240 before that, and we had hung a set and this 2:07:47.960 --> 2:07:50.200 good buck comes in the dark. I mean it's probably 2:07:50.240 --> 2:07:55.080 six thirty maybe still good ways until we get shooting light. 2:07:55.840 --> 2:07:58.040 This buck comes rolling right pretty much right under our 2:07:58.040 --> 2:08:02.560 tree stand at sub five yard. It's and I'm thinking, 2:08:03.760 --> 2:08:06.640 that looks like the wide eight. Market showed me a 2:08:06.680 --> 2:08:08.280 bunch of pictures of a wide eight. I've seen it 2:08:08.360 --> 2:08:10.200 on Instagram with him sharing it with us, Like it's 2:08:10.200 --> 2:08:12.800 a buck we knew about. Like it's a big body deer. 2:08:12.880 --> 2:08:16.160 He doesn't have long times and he's wide. That's all 2:08:16.160 --> 2:08:17.800 I could see in the dark. I could barely see 2:08:17.840 --> 2:08:21.560 what was going on. And uh, the morning went on. 2:08:21.640 --> 2:08:24.400 You had that good, you know, pre hunt encounter, just 2:08:24.680 --> 2:08:26.560 enough to get you excited there's something going on, but 2:08:26.640 --> 2:08:28.480 I had you know, I wasn't going on by me. 2:08:29.120 --> 2:08:33.560 I heard the grunting, then nothing, nothing, nothing, it's it's 2:08:33.600 --> 2:08:36.000 getting later in the morning. I'm thinking, gosh, there should 2:08:36.040 --> 2:08:38.320 be something cruising along this swamp. Why isn't there something 2:08:38.400 --> 2:08:42.760 cruising along this swamp? And NT or So comes around 2:08:42.800 --> 2:08:44.960 and I decided, you know what, it's cold, it's been slow. 2:08:45.040 --> 2:08:47.680 It's snack time. So we grab our checksmiths on we 2:08:47.720 --> 2:08:49.800 start to eat our snacks and I'm constantly trying to 2:08:49.880 --> 2:08:52.280 keep my head on swivel. I spin my head turned 2:08:52.320 --> 2:08:53.920 around in the back of the field and I see 2:08:53.960 --> 2:08:57.480 a deer running across field number five and immediately can 2:08:57.520 --> 2:08:59.800 tell that this is a good buck. Grababa grunt to 2:09:00.160 --> 2:09:03.000 like telling George big buck behind big ground my grunt 2:09:03.040 --> 2:09:06.120 tube let out a big, deep grunt. That buck stops 2:09:06.160 --> 2:09:08.120 and turns and looks right at us. I instantly can 2:09:08.160 --> 2:09:10.440 tell us the white eight I say, white eighths right here. 2:09:11.080 --> 2:09:14.720 He turns and starts running right down towards us. He 2:09:15.400 --> 2:09:17.960 gets to maybe eight yards, stops and starts turning and 2:09:18.080 --> 2:09:21.160 heading towards the down wind area where our winds blowing. 2:09:21.960 --> 2:09:23.600 Now I'm thinking my head, I don't know he's gonna 2:09:23.600 --> 2:09:26.800 wind us, He's going to run away crap. But he 2:09:26.880 --> 2:09:28.960 gets to where our wind is blowing and he stops. 2:09:29.040 --> 2:09:30.640 You can you can see him hit the wind. You 2:09:30.680 --> 2:09:34.640 can see him hit it. He stops, looks again, puts 2:09:34.720 --> 2:09:36.360 his nose in the air. He sniff and he sniff 2:09:36.360 --> 2:09:37.640 and he's trying to figure out what is this? What 2:09:37.720 --> 2:09:42.240 am I smelling? And he can't figure it out. He 2:09:42.320 --> 2:09:45.800 doesn't know what it is? Marcus. Uh, he's a he 2:09:46.040 --> 2:09:50.280 is a humble bragging his sent control. It was actually 2:09:50.320 --> 2:10:00.360 a caramel caramel checks mix gusher because I love gushers. Ow. Yeah. 2:10:00.400 --> 2:10:03.400 Point being, he decided that he couldn't tell or could 2:10:03.440 --> 2:10:05.200 not discern if that was a dangerous smell, and so 2:10:05.320 --> 2:10:07.280 he continued to come in. He was so interested in 2:10:07.360 --> 2:10:10.200 that grunt came into twenty yards and I was able 2:10:10.200 --> 2:10:13.320 to get a shot, took a shot, double lunged him, 2:10:13.760 --> 2:10:16.320 wash him, run off and crash across the way, and 2:10:16.400 --> 2:10:22.960 then you filmed your social media. Completely melt up the 2:10:23.040 --> 2:10:29.200 tree literally just almost fell out of the tree. I'm 2:10:29.240 --> 2:10:35.680 shaking like crazy because I think we just killed He 2:10:35.760 --> 2:10:38.640 had to he had a breakdown. I did, why do 2:10:38.680 --> 2:10:41.280 you have a breakdown? Mark? Well, I think it's everything 2:10:41.440 --> 2:10:44.360 that we've talked about up to this point. Um, I've 2:10:44.360 --> 2:10:47.480 been fortunate to have a lot of great successful deer hunts. Um. 2:10:48.240 --> 2:10:51.400 I've've experienced that, and I get emotional, I get excited, um, 2:10:51.840 --> 2:10:53.960 But this one was different, and I didn't expect I 2:10:53.960 --> 2:10:56.120 didn't realize it was going to I didn't never thought 2:10:56.160 --> 2:10:57.680 it was going to be different. But in the moment, 2:10:57.720 --> 2:11:00.040 it was just all of these things kind of of 2:11:00.320 --> 2:11:02.680 washing over me. There were a lot of expectations, There's 2:11:02.680 --> 2:11:06.680 a lot of pressure. Um, this project has been different 2:11:06.720 --> 2:11:09.840 than anything I've done before. I just I think it 2:11:09.920 --> 2:11:13.120 put a lot on myself and how it would turn out, 2:11:13.360 --> 2:11:15.120 and a lot of worry about how it turned out, 2:11:15.200 --> 2:11:18.080 and just a lot of expectations, and I just felt like, gosh, 2:11:18.120 --> 2:11:20.800 this thing has been a disaster. Nothing's going well. It's 2:11:20.840 --> 2:11:23.720 just been prompt to problem people nitpicking this, nit picking that, 2:11:23.840 --> 2:11:27.839 saying that's not good enough, saying this thing or that thing, comments, 2:11:28.000 --> 2:11:29.560 all that and all that kind of had just like 2:11:29.680 --> 2:11:31.880 slowly been like weighing on me. And George, you were 2:11:31.920 --> 2:11:34.200 the fly on the wall. Where do you see? I mean, 2:11:34.640 --> 2:11:37.560 I just after the shot, I mean I just knew 2:11:37.600 --> 2:11:40.560 what it meant as both a hunter, and then you 2:11:40.640 --> 2:11:42.520 know from Mark and all the work that I mean, 2:11:42.920 --> 2:11:44.480 you could say that we've done a lot of work 2:11:44.520 --> 2:11:46.240 to get to this point too, but really we've been 2:11:46.320 --> 2:11:49.080 watching him struggle behind the camera, offering not much help. 2:11:49.160 --> 2:11:50.920 So I knew it. I knew what it meant to Mark, 2:11:51.000 --> 2:11:52.920 and then you know what it meant to what we're 2:11:52.920 --> 2:11:55.040 trying to do here to and kind of what that represents, 2:11:55.160 --> 2:11:59.200 and you know, just something that is so relatable for 2:11:59.400 --> 2:12:02.240 so many to happen like that. And if you sat 2:12:02.320 --> 2:12:03.880 through this story for an hour and a half, you've 2:12:04.120 --> 2:12:06.840 you're interested in its ending. Of course, it's never over. 2:12:07.040 --> 2:12:11.280 But when you think about a team of people doing 2:12:11.360 --> 2:12:14.040 something right, or even an individual doing something, there's a 2:12:14.080 --> 2:12:18.440 commitment to when no one's watching right, when people are watching, 2:12:18.600 --> 2:12:20.880 when the camera's on, there's different things. But when the 2:12:20.960 --> 2:12:23.680 camera's off, you stuff to get up At four thirty 2:12:23.680 --> 2:12:25.280 in the morning, when you don't want to move out 2:12:25.320 --> 2:12:27.760 of bed, you still have to roll over and make 2:12:27.760 --> 2:12:30.000 sure you're organized and get all your stuff together and 2:12:30.080 --> 2:12:32.760 make sure you're in the right spots and be committed 2:12:32.840 --> 2:12:36.400 to that every single morning. For many mornings when you 2:12:36.440 --> 2:12:38.840 could just accidentally sleep in, or hey, we could take 2:12:38.840 --> 2:12:41.160 a morning off. We've been working hard we're tired, we 2:12:41.240 --> 2:12:44.040 can do we can stay home. We can you know, 2:12:44.120 --> 2:12:45.720 we can have a sandwich. We don't need to go 2:12:45.880 --> 2:12:50.240 and do all these things. Um. I think that's only natural. 2:12:51.680 --> 2:12:54.200 But when you're really dedicated to something, you will work 2:12:54.240 --> 2:12:56.320 hard for it. That's the kind of sacrifices you make. 2:12:56.400 --> 2:12:59.240 You don't allow yourself to to do those things. And 2:12:59.320 --> 2:13:03.240 I think when people see this episode, um, and when 2:13:03.280 --> 2:13:08.520 they see kind of the reaction and the emotion and 2:13:08.800 --> 2:13:10.920 like talking to your family, which you don't get to 2:13:10.920 --> 2:13:12.880 see as much because you're on here doing this stuff 2:13:13.000 --> 2:13:16.680 like the balancing act of life and hunting and content 2:13:16.800 --> 2:13:19.040 and media and and all the things that we do 2:13:19.520 --> 2:13:22.920 is on display and and on displaying a pretty unique 2:13:23.200 --> 2:13:26.240 special way. I mean, we make lots of jokes on 2:13:26.320 --> 2:13:28.360 the show. We make lots of jokes here. We rarely 2:13:28.400 --> 2:13:30.560 are all that series. But like in that moment, Mark, 2:13:30.680 --> 2:13:36.040 like you expressed and displayed something that I think is 2:13:36.960 --> 2:13:39.560 relatable to some but not relatable to most because it's 2:13:39.640 --> 2:13:42.640 it's a unique experience. And that's what what we hope 2:13:42.680 --> 2:13:44.760 with the back forties, we were able to just document 2:13:44.880 --> 2:13:47.840 this experience, not that we were just gonna get you 2:13:47.920 --> 2:13:49.640 too way we want to kill big Bucks. Every show. 2:13:49.680 --> 2:13:52.000 We didn't even show a buck until if this is 2:13:52.080 --> 2:13:54.080 the first book, I think, because yeah, this is gonna 2:13:54.080 --> 2:13:55.680 be a couple episodes down the roads. You're gonna have 2:13:55.720 --> 2:13:58.360 to watch you know, a good long while here and 2:13:58.480 --> 2:14:00.320 follow along with us until you get some sort of 2:14:00.800 --> 2:14:03.360 you know, traditional payoff within the white tail space, within 2:14:03.400 --> 2:14:06.840 the hunting space itself. And so like the distillation, the 2:14:06.960 --> 2:14:11.120 distillation of honey experiences into like guy goes something, guy 2:14:11.240 --> 2:14:13.760 kills thing, or a girl goes something, girl kiss thing, 2:14:14.720 --> 2:14:18.040 um is problematic for all of us because that's it's 2:14:18.080 --> 2:14:23.080 not really representative what we do. And so hopefully um, 2:14:23.240 --> 2:14:26.680 when you watch the show that you feel that that 2:14:26.880 --> 2:14:30.200 that it's not all the glamour and it's not all 2:14:31.200 --> 2:14:35.880 um what you sometimes see. That's everything, you know, it's 2:14:35.880 --> 2:14:38.920 the hard times, the good times, it's the stress, the anxiety, 2:14:40.160 --> 2:14:45.120 it's you know, the complete euphoria that comes from all 2:14:45.240 --> 2:14:47.160 that ending in a way that you wanted it to. 2:14:47.600 --> 2:14:53.480 So it's it's pretty special. I would say, yeah, it was. 2:14:53.800 --> 2:14:58.920 It was a special It's a special moment special deers a. 2:15:00.240 --> 2:15:02.040 It was one I will not forget. Well, let's have 2:15:02.120 --> 2:15:06.600 a shot to that our second shot of meteor whiskey. Cheers, 2:15:06.840 --> 2:15:10.520 cheers to the White Eight. Thanks White eight, appreciate you. 2:15:11.680 --> 2:15:19.440 Take a little sippy sip here. Though Mark is not 2:15:19.640 --> 2:15:24.120 drinking a lot of I'm a beer guy. He's making 2:15:24.160 --> 2:15:29.760 that uh meteor bourbon whiskey will make your face look 2:15:29.840 --> 2:15:34.560 like you've never had whiskey before. Pairs well with elk tongue. 2:15:34.600 --> 2:15:38.080 This one, we don't have any elk tongue. What um 2:15:39.520 --> 2:15:42.720 that's taking a shot of whiskey. Is probably a little 2:15:42.760 --> 2:15:44.880 bit like you felt when you realized, I mean, you 2:15:45.040 --> 2:15:48.920 punched a perfect high lung shot on the White eight. 2:15:49.000 --> 2:15:53.720 He ran spring blood everywhere. It was easy to recover. 2:15:54.200 --> 2:15:55.920 We drove back here and I like that. You know, 2:15:56.080 --> 2:16:00.320 that's that's a feeling of success. It was. It was 2:16:00.360 --> 2:16:03.360 pretty cool. So one hell of a day. All of 2:16:03.440 --> 2:16:08.320 this to say, go watch the back forty. Keep hanging 2:16:08.360 --> 2:16:12.200 with us on it because we're not done yet. You know, Mark, 2:16:12.280 --> 2:16:14.919 his dad's coming in tonight. We're gonna film another episode. 2:16:15.360 --> 2:16:17.600 We got Ryan Callahan coming in later this year with 2:16:17.680 --> 2:16:21.320 a new hunter to see the place. We're gonna give 2:16:21.320 --> 2:16:24.080 away the hunt later this year. We're gonna hopefully film 2:16:24.160 --> 2:16:28.120 some mushroom hunts, turkey hunts, and some land prep next 2:16:28.200 --> 2:16:31.440 year and some white tail hunting will find new box 2:16:31.480 --> 2:16:35.440 to go chase. And we're gonna we're gonna we're getting bees. Yeah, 2:16:35.520 --> 2:16:37.800 we're gonna get bees. Mark's gonna have meat eater honey. 2:16:38.879 --> 2:16:42.200 Um hunter will maybe see his family every once in 2:16:42.240 --> 2:16:46.320 a while. Jordan's same for you. You guys might make 2:16:46.360 --> 2:16:47.920 a trip back to the day's in. Eventually when the 2:16:47.959 --> 2:16:52.200 camper goes away, maybe they'll maybe they'll apologize and give 2:16:52.200 --> 2:16:59.680 you they give the executive suite. At that point, there's 2:16:59.720 --> 2:17:03.320 a lot um I was emotionally yesterday and also I 2:17:03.400 --> 2:17:09.879 would say, um, pretty excited to tell the story. Yeah, 2:17:10.360 --> 2:17:12.560 not only the wide eight, but of of what Marks 2:17:13.440 --> 2:17:15.720 trying to do and been able to do. But when 2:17:15.760 --> 2:17:18.320 you see somebody that has the emotion that Mark had 2:17:18.360 --> 2:17:21.160 after you shot this deer, any you know, in the 2:17:21.240 --> 2:17:23.240 hunting industry, there's a lot of ego and agenda, right, 2:17:23.280 --> 2:17:25.760 A lot of people want to say that's not big enough, 2:17:25.920 --> 2:17:27.760 or that's not right, or you didn't do it the 2:17:27.800 --> 2:17:29.520 way I would do it, or even the way we 2:17:29.640 --> 2:17:32.160 do it in my place. Why did you do it 2:17:32.280 --> 2:17:34.840 that way? There's a lot of those questions, some legits, 2:17:34.920 --> 2:17:39.200 some not. But hopefully you can watch that moment when 2:17:39.240 --> 2:17:41.480 Mark shoots this buck and realized that, like, it doesn't 2:17:41.480 --> 2:17:43.960 matter what you think at that point, like just enjoy 2:17:44.160 --> 2:17:48.200 that hunting can can be this way for someone and 2:17:48.280 --> 2:17:50.760 it could be this way for you. All you gotta 2:17:50.800 --> 2:17:52.200 do is kind of work at it the way you 2:17:52.280 --> 2:17:54.960 want to work at it, and go at it in 2:17:55.040 --> 2:17:58.280 a pure way. Yeah, I think the work the work 2:17:58.440 --> 2:18:01.920 is is for me what makes hunting so special. It's 2:18:02.000 --> 2:18:05.800 it's everything that leads up to the end result. So 2:18:05.920 --> 2:18:08.160 when I shot that deer, it wasn't all that emotion 2:18:08.280 --> 2:18:10.400 wasn't because I just shot a big body, dear. It 2:18:10.520 --> 2:18:14.600 was because of everything else that it came before, and 2:18:14.760 --> 2:18:17.600 all that rushing down on you now because of that 2:18:18.320 --> 2:18:21.240 ten seconds of chaos. And I was saying that, like, 2:18:21.400 --> 2:18:25.280 I I know this happens, and I like, but I 2:18:26.080 --> 2:18:29.440 with deer like this, you project a lot of your 2:18:29.480 --> 2:18:32.800 own ship onto the deer, right, Like the deer is 2:18:32.920 --> 2:18:35.480 just still just a deer. It doesn't. It didn't morph 2:18:35.560 --> 2:18:38.280 into a unicorn. That ship hunted all our bills overnight, 2:18:39.120 --> 2:18:42.040 which would be that would be a lot more excited 2:18:42.080 --> 2:18:44.640 if we did that. If we did that, Um, it's 2:18:44.680 --> 2:18:47.240 still just a deer, right, it doesn't. It didn't do 2:18:47.520 --> 2:18:51.480 anything other than whatevery deer in that situation would probably do. 2:18:52.760 --> 2:18:54.760 But when so, we project so much of our own 2:18:54.920 --> 2:18:57.720 selves onto to these things, especially in the situation where 2:18:57.760 --> 2:19:01.480 you have a long relationship with these animals. So I 2:19:01.600 --> 2:19:03.280 realized in that moment too that you know, we do 2:19:03.440 --> 2:19:06.200 project onto these animals, but in this case, it's projection 2:19:06.240 --> 2:19:08.080 in a good way. It's the projection of our own 2:19:08.120 --> 2:19:10.640 hard work and values. It's projection of our own feeling 2:19:10.680 --> 2:19:13.960 about natural landscapes and how important they are to us, 2:19:14.440 --> 2:19:18.560 and all those things intertwined mean that end of motion. 2:19:19.160 --> 2:19:23.040 So I will say personally, I've learned more from working 2:19:23.080 --> 2:19:25.200 on this project than just about anything that I've I've 2:19:25.280 --> 2:19:29.040 done in my professional career or probably even personal life 2:19:29.080 --> 2:19:32.400 within hunting. And and I've learned a lot about myself 2:19:32.520 --> 2:19:35.280 about Mark because we did put him in a maze 2:19:36.120 --> 2:19:40.840 of a labyrinth of different scenarios to test his will. Um, 2:19:41.360 --> 2:19:43.279 I hope. I Well, I don't know if I passed 2:19:43.320 --> 2:19:48.640 yet so far approaching listen, I don't know. I probably 2:19:48.680 --> 2:19:50.680 waxing too much about our own content. You guys can 2:19:50.720 --> 2:19:52.400 watch it if you think it sucks. It sucks, but 2:19:53.920 --> 2:19:56.280 it's something that that's my personal experience, So hopefully that 2:19:56.360 --> 2:19:58.400 comes across in the content. But that's that's the way 2:19:58.440 --> 2:20:01.520 that I feel after experience against for myself. Yeah, I 2:20:01.640 --> 2:20:03.960 hope the same thing. You just never know though, But 2:20:04.320 --> 2:20:07.000 it seems like you guys all like it. Um go 2:20:07.120 --> 2:20:09.080 to the Mediator YouTube and check it out. Man, go 2:20:09.240 --> 2:20:12.800 ask us questions. We have many November five, we're gonna 2:20:12.840 --> 2:20:15.160 be's still filming and hunting here through the end of 2:20:15.200 --> 2:20:18.000 the year. Uh and and episodes will be rolling out 2:20:18.040 --> 2:20:20.160 through the end of the year, a lot of cool stuff. 2:20:20.200 --> 2:20:21.680 And then as soon as this year is over, we're 2:20:21.680 --> 2:20:23.480 gonna start planning for next year. And what we're gonna 2:20:23.520 --> 2:20:26.640 do here. We'll probably shed hunt, will probably like I said, 2:20:26.720 --> 2:20:30.080 pick mushrooms, will probably hunt turkeys. So much work. We 2:20:30.160 --> 2:20:33.800 got to work every single night I st out here hunting. 2:20:34.240 --> 2:20:36.680 A large portion of each of those nights has involved 2:20:36.760 --> 2:20:40.000 me looking across the landscape, imagining what we could do, 2:20:40.120 --> 2:20:42.720 what we should do, what will be happening in January 2:20:42.800 --> 2:20:45.520 or February or March or April. Um. So I've got 2:20:45.560 --> 2:20:48.400 a lot of big ideas and plans decided for that. Yep. 2:20:48.520 --> 2:20:51.199 So we have all four of us into this table. 2:20:51.680 --> 2:20:55.760 Have a strong relationship with the Back forty, positive or negative. 2:20:55.840 --> 2:21:00.120 And if you're a hunter and you think about why 2:21:00.200 --> 2:21:02.960 do I do this, a relationship with the land is 2:21:03.000 --> 2:21:05.400 probably a real good reason to do it. So, um, 2:21:06.240 --> 2:21:09.840 take Mark's example and really dive into these things. If 2:21:09.879 --> 2:21:12.440 you're a small property private land hunter, just dive into 2:21:12.440 --> 2:21:13.880 it the way that Mark has and the way that 2:21:13.920 --> 2:21:17.960 Steve has wished it to be. And um, hopefully you 2:21:18.040 --> 2:21:21.520 get what we've gotten, which is perspective. And uh, the 2:21:21.600 --> 2:21:25.640 White Eight, congrats, we already took a shot. We don't 2:21:25.640 --> 2:21:27.160 want to take another shot, right and I don't think 2:21:27.160 --> 2:21:33.000 I can't do anymore worked out? All right? Thank you boys. 2:21:36.920 --> 2:21:41.040 I guess I grew up. That's it. That's all. Thanks 2:21:41.200 --> 2:21:43.320 for joining us on another episode of The Hunting Collective. 2:21:43.959 --> 2:21:47.760 Thank you to Capture Creative Hunter and Jordan's thank you 2:21:47.879 --> 2:21:50.920 to Mark Kenyan for joining us. If you'd like to 2:21:50.920 --> 2:21:52.640 follow Mark Kenny, of course, you can always go to 2:21:52.800 --> 2:21:56.400 at Wired to Hunt, at Capture Creative. For those folks, 2:21:57.080 --> 2:21:59.840 everybody involved in the Back forty, thank you so much. 2:22:00.840 --> 2:22:05.879 There's countless people involved with our show and our content projects. Um. 2:22:06.600 --> 2:22:11.480 Sam Bates our producer, and Eracer our VP of production, 2:22:11.640 --> 2:22:15.920 Anton Lacata, our editor in chief. Man. The list just 2:22:16.120 --> 2:22:20.040 goes on and on and on of all the people 2:22:20.560 --> 2:22:23.720 that are involved in our project. So thank you to 2:22:23.800 --> 2:22:25.960 all those folks. Hopefully you sat and listened for an 2:22:25.959 --> 2:22:27.920 hour and a half of us talking about the back Ford, 2:22:28.000 --> 2:22:29.920 you realize that it does mean a little bit more 2:22:29.959 --> 2:22:32.680 to us after being here and working hard than just 2:22:32.800 --> 2:22:35.560 another white Tail Hunt or white Tail show. Um, it 2:22:35.680 --> 2:22:39.200 becomes meaningful because you spend a lot of time in 2:22:39.320 --> 2:22:42.760 your life working on a thing. So hopefully the more 2:22:42.800 --> 2:22:44.840 time you work on something, the more meaning it has. 2:22:45.040 --> 2:22:47.040 If it's the other way around, you're probably doing it wrong. 2:22:47.760 --> 2:22:50.040 And so watch the back Ford and go to the 2:22:50.080 --> 2:22:52.600 Metator dot com. Go to Meteator to YouTube, go to 2:22:53.080 --> 2:22:56.959 the meat Eator Instagram, the white Hunt Instagram, to my Instagram, 2:22:58.080 --> 2:23:02.560 to the Captured Creative Instagram. Am hit follow, hit subscribe, 2:23:02.680 --> 2:23:05.760 hit like. We also have the white Tail Weekly newsletter 2:23:06.200 --> 2:23:09.359 over there at the Meetor dot com. Go there, subscribe 2:23:09.400 --> 2:23:14.280 to that. Also, we have the Win a Hunt program 2:23:14.520 --> 2:23:17.560 with Mark and Steve on the back forty go and 2:23:17.600 --> 2:23:19.640 do that as well. So you got a lot to 2:23:19.720 --> 2:23:21.400 do a lot of homework around the back forty. We 2:23:21.520 --> 2:23:25.160 have planned and executed a lot of content around this idea. 2:23:25.680 --> 2:23:28.600 We are, if you cannot tell, very excited about it 2:23:28.959 --> 2:23:32.560 and wants you to go check it out. So for 2:23:32.680 --> 2:23:34.960 all of us here at the White Tail Hunting Back forty, 2:23:35.040 --> 2:23:38.200 hopefully have a good early November. Rutt, hopefully you have 2:23:38.280 --> 2:23:40.840 a good dear season altogether, and we'll see you next 2:23:40.879 --> 2:23:45.840 week on the Hunting Collective. Bye bye, Yeah, being just 2:23:46.000 --> 2:23:55.360 listened to the podcast, Joy pretty much agree you know, 2:23:55.600 --> 2:23:58.480 I mean, people been trying to eradicate it for years 2:23:58.520 --> 2:24:02.360 and years. I don't think it just somebody shooting one 2:24:03.280 --> 2:24:06.480 because they come by the deer stands, gona heard county 2:24:06.560 --> 2:24:10.960 populations or even eating people to the contad They've been 2:24:11.000 --> 2:24:12.920 trying to kill him out. They tried to kill him 2:24:12.920 --> 2:24:17.360 out of that with Obviously that's not gonna happen, but 2:24:18.200 --> 2:24:20.800 I do and I was like, you or kill other 2:24:20.879 --> 2:24:24.040 code easily. But I do think and I agree with 2:24:24.080 --> 2:24:28.520 you all that, uh pretors need to be managed and 2:24:28.680 --> 2:24:30.840 he got one like a bad apple, take it out, 2:24:31.360 --> 2:24:34.360 but paying on condemned somebody that wants to county and 2:24:34.400 --> 2:24:37.320 that she was telling my a bounty in North Carolina. 2:24:37.480 --> 2:24:40.440 I think she's that articuler. But I looked it up 2:24:41.240 --> 2:24:44.160 and that's just one county in North Carolina. As far 2:24:44.200 --> 2:24:48.640 as I've been up here that about years, we've never 2:24:48.720 --> 2:24:51.840 had a bounty. But that's news are as far so 2:24:52.120 --> 2:24:56.879 that one county. But it's like he said, the wolves 2:24:57.000 --> 2:24:59.320 used killed county's. I mean, they're gonna be a niche. 2:24:59.440 --> 2:25:01.440 They're like going to take over. They're gonna fill in 2:25:01.560 --> 2:25:05.320 that niche. But it's funny thing to me that if 2:25:05.440 --> 2:25:08.560 you meet I mean around home in it's North Carolina, 2:25:09.040 --> 2:25:12.800 about anybody you asked or safe up to about turkeys, 2:25:13.280 --> 2:25:17.760 the first thing out of or amount is the coti. Well, 2:25:17.800 --> 2:25:20.280 I got a niece for you. Texas got cuties, and 2:25:20.320 --> 2:25:24.199 I got a turkey. Counties are not killing the urchy. 2:25:25.040 --> 2:25:27.160 They might get a turkey erring out, you know, a 2:25:27.440 --> 2:25:31.320 little turkey, but coties are probably actually beneficial to turkeys 2:25:31.680 --> 2:25:37.279 because we've got coons, raccoons at the yingang like thirteen 2:25:37.440 --> 2:25:41.879 on Trail Cameron. Somebody's bait. Fine one time those get 2:25:42.040 --> 2:25:46.080 turkey nest So somebody says something like, Dad, I kind 2:25:46.120 --> 2:25:49.400 of gotta say that. You know, I don't really agree 2:25:49.440 --> 2:25:54.400 with that, because actually the county could be beneficial because 2:25:54.440 --> 2:25:57.280 the turkey hunt asked this might belie I've never really 2:25:57.360 --> 2:25:59.520 heard no studies to back it up, but I do 2:25:59.720 --> 2:26:05.280 know I have seen studies show that raccoons get a 2:26:05.360 --> 2:26:08.800 lot of turkey nests, and not all raccoons, but scumps 2:26:08.879 --> 2:26:11.879 and postums and got you take care of all them things. 2:26:12.000 --> 2:26:15.160 So I just want to throw out again. Enjoy listening 2:26:15.160 --> 2:26:18.160 to podcast. I know sometimes you'll be listening and you 2:26:18.240 --> 2:26:21.960 just kind of want the chiming, So it's kind of 2:26:22.000 --> 2:26:24.320 hard to do, but you have to kind of stop it, 2:26:25.240 --> 2:26:27.400 do it before you forget. But enjoy the podcast, y'all. 2:26:27.480 --> 2:26:30.640 Keep it up. Do long, because I can't go a 2:26:30.760 --> 2:26:40.120 week without doing run, oh without doing run, ring out, run, 2:26:45.000 --> 2:27:01.960 drinking in even so, sitting at the Boston would stop 2:27:02.120 --> 2:27:06.560 the throw roots. Feeling lagging all on our barras shoes all, 2:27:06.760 --> 2:27:08.800 tell me what is it that I sho