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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Hunt Collective.

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Speaker 1: I've been and Brian. Today I am joined by Hunter

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Speaker 1: Jordan's Mark the crew. Hello, back forty. Hello, You're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear a lot of things coming up. A lot of

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Speaker 1: things about the Back forty, a lot of things about

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Speaker 1: how we feel about it, a lot of things about Michigan,

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Speaker 1: a lot of things about Mark Kenyon, good and bad.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to any of that, we also

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Speaker 1: joined by Phil the Engineer. We're gonna do. We have

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Speaker 1: nots of sharp moments. We have the first ever Dr

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Speaker 1: Phil segment from from our boy Phil. So look forward

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Speaker 1: to that. I'm calling it Dr Phil Medicine Woman. But nobody,

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Speaker 1: Nobody's going with me on that one. We got that

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Speaker 1: and then we got Back forty talks, so stick around

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Speaker 1: to that. But before we get to that, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about something very important, and that is a book

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Speaker 1: called That Wild Country by my friend and colleague Marcus

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Speaker 1: Aurelius Kenyon. Could you be an esquire? Sure? Why not?

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Speaker 1: So We're gonna take some time before we get to

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Speaker 1: the show to tell you about this book because this

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Speaker 1: book is about a lot of things now, but it's

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Speaker 1: mostly about our public lands. Is that right market? It is,

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Speaker 1: and it's an interesting counterpoint to the rest of the conversation,

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Speaker 1: which is about private lands and which interestingly illustrates the

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Speaker 1: two sides of my life. My life too. I think

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Speaker 1: all hunters have this duplicity in their life. I definitely do.

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Speaker 1: And people can buy let's just before we get to

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Speaker 1: what what's inside the book. People can buy it where well,

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Speaker 1: it is gonna be held most anywhere. Eventually on December one,

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Speaker 1: it will be available most anywhere. You can buy books

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Speaker 1: between November one in December one. I'm not sure when

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Speaker 1: this is coming out, but between November one and December one,

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Speaker 1: it's only available on Amazon to Amazon port of Amazon's

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Speaker 1: First Read program. Somebody told me a special promotional program

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Speaker 1: where they release a book a month early. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a very prestigious honor for Mr Mark Kenyon in that

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Speaker 1: Wild Country to be included in Amazon First Reads. Amazon,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know as big as shit and they

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Speaker 1: sell lots of things, um, so go shopping a whole

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Speaker 1: Foods and go buy Marx books. In inside the book

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Speaker 1: you did, um basically a field studying and a study

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Speaker 1: in and of itself of the history of public lands,

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Speaker 1: your feelings about public lands. Give us a couple of

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Speaker 1: quotes or a couple of feelings that are in in

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Speaker 1: the pages of your book. Well, I think at the

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Speaker 1: high level how this all came about is, you know,

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand and fourteen, fifteen sixteen, everything around

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Speaker 1: the land transfer movement was starting to pick up steam.

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Speaker 1: Within the hunting community. We're really starting to hear about it. Um,

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Speaker 1: Folks like Randy Newburg and Steve ron Ella and Beck

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Speaker 1: County Runters and Anglers and Fielding Stream and Outdoor Life,

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that are advocating that we

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Speaker 1: that's not a good idea. And I had for you know,

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Speaker 1: some portion of well, growing up, I'd experienced some public land.

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Speaker 1: Once I graduated college, my wife and I started heading

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Speaker 1: Um So, at this point I had a lot of

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Speaker 1: forties some million acres of public land, How we have

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Speaker 1: How we have these places that have been so special

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Speaker 1: Because around me in Michigan, all my friends and family,

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Speaker 1: people about how we got to this point and that's

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Speaker 1: what that's what wild that wild country is. Well, every

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Speaker 1: writer wants to pen a book. Every hunter wants to

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Speaker 1: tell stories. Uh, and I love public lands, so I

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Speaker 1: think this book is awesome. Now there's a quote that

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Speaker 1: you reference in there by a fellow named Wallace Stegner.

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Speaker 1: I'll just read it. We simply need that wild country

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Speaker 1: available to us, even if we never do more than

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Speaker 1: be a means of reassuring ourselves of our sanity as creatures,

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Speaker 1: a part of the geography of hope. And if you

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Speaker 1: want to read more, just like that. Those ideas, those ideologies,

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Speaker 1: those philosophies, go to Amazon right now, between now and

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Speaker 1: December one, right Mark, Yeah, that's the one place to

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Speaker 1: and pick up that wild Country. It is not so

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Speaker 1: do it. Thank you, Mark Kenyan, Thank you Ben. Now

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Speaker 1: this episode of The Hunting Collective enjoy. I guess I

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Speaker 1: grew up on an older road, a pedil do the medal.

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Speaker 1: and now I just wanted to a real bad dream

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Speaker 1: but thank you Jack Daniel. Hey, everybody, welcome Episode seven.

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Phil the Engineer. I am here in

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Speaker 1: bows Man, Montana for another week of the Hunting collect

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Speaker 1: So this week is all about you. Well, it's not

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Speaker 1: all about you. It's mostly about you. It's also about

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Speaker 1: the Back forty. As you'll hear coming up in the

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Speaker 1: which you should already know. If you don't know, go

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Speaker 1: to the Meteor YouTube check it out the Back forty.

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Speaker 1: But I've been I spent I just flew back from

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Speaker 1: the Back forty, Phil, and I spent the whole flight

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Speaker 1: back reading your emails. I was a bit backed up

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Speaker 1: Are you referring to me the listener? Okay? Got it? You? You,

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Speaker 1: the collective listener out there, have done a fantastic job

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Speaker 1: of emailing your thoughts, feelings, opinions. All very constructive, all

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Speaker 1: like I said, quite a long time looking at emails.

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Speaker 1: sharp not a sharp moment, phil play the jingle not

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Speaker 1: so sharp moment you don't have Okay, this one is

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Speaker 1: quick and dirty. It comes to us from Seth Bustby.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Seth, you have been selected ready for the

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Speaker 1: story film can't Wait. About three years ago, when I

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Speaker 1: field sharpener and you're gonna love it. They'll play not

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Speaker 1: is one of the best emails we've ever gotten. Is

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Speaker 1: one of the most clever emails I've ever read. And

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Speaker 1: so Andrew Lennard's is going to get a THHC hat.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna send him a hat, all right, Phil, and

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Speaker 1: I will personally will write a personal letter to you

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Speaker 1: And Andrew said this, He said, good morning, this isn't

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Speaker 1: an email with a not so sharp moment. I've had

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Speaker 1: I felt obligated to write this email in regards to

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Speaker 1: the jingle for the work Sharp not a Sharp Moment

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Speaker 1: I thought that myself off. Well, isn't that a funny

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Speaker 1: type this email. Thank you for that. The jingle has

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Speaker 1: done its job, and I'm now addicted to the words

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Speaker 1: Do you have Chancellor Palpatine working in the shadows as

423
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Speaker 1: Darth Sidious nobody knows is it the sixth Air Rising?

424
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Speaker 1: And he's kind of pulling the strings. When is Samuel L.

425
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Speaker 1: Jackson coming in the Senate. He gets killed in this movie.

426
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Speaker 1: He does, he does. He gets arms chopped off the building,

427
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: Mace windew He gets arms chopped off and then thrown

428
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Speaker 1: out of a building. That seems a little excessive. It

429
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: is very You could just throw him right out of

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Speaker 1: the building, let his arms attached, and well he was

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Speaker 1: holding a lightsaber with one of those arms, so just

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Speaker 1: kind of disarming him. Okay. Number seven Uh, Anyway, the

433
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Speaker 1: story of the prequels is good. They are just poorly executed.

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Speaker 1: Number seven Solo a Star Wars story. This is the

435
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Speaker 1: Hans Solo origin film that came out year or two

436
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: ago recently. I saw in theaters, was not very impressed.

437
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: Watched it again the other night. Better than I remembered.

438
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Speaker 1: He has fun. Donald Glover is Lando Um, Donald Glover,

439
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: He's he's fun. Uh. Woody Harrelson plays a like a gangster,

440
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: like a it's it's it's good. It's better than you

441
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Speaker 1: think it is. Number six Force Awakens. This was the first,

442
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Speaker 1: the first sequel movie that came out a few years ago.

443
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Speaker 1: This is the first one with Oh Yeah, Daisy Ridley

444
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Speaker 1: is Ray Adam Driver. It's Kyler Wren, Harrison Ford and

445
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: carry Fisher returning. Yeah, yeah, old Harrison for old Harrison Ford.

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Speaker 1: He dies in this one. He is murdered by his son. Um.

447
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: It was a lot of It was a blast after

448
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: the prequels because it just kind of was a nostalgia hit.

449
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: But it just retread everything. There was another death start

450
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 1: pretty much another random kid on a sand plant. Everybody

451
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: who gets the Force, everybody gets like cut up by

452
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: their father or son. Yeah. See that's it's it's there's

453
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: too much family stuff, which, um, we got enough family issues.

454
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: It's fun, but it doesn't do anything new. It's just

455
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: kind of like you like Star Wars. Here's more of it,

456
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: but it's okay. Number five, Return of the Jedi. This

457
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: is the episode six, the final of the original three films,

458
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: um where Darth Vader fulfills the prophecy and brings balance

459
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: to the Force by murdering the Emperor. Which one is

460
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Speaker 1: the one with the e walks? That's this one? This one? Yeah, dude,

461
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: the killer Teddy Bears from the Forest's great. They're fun.

462
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Speaker 1: A lot of people hate on him. They're great again.

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Speaker 1: They live in these movies there for children. Number four,

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Speaker 1: the Last Jedi. This might be a hot take a

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Speaker 1: lot of people thought that this was the most recent

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Speaker 1: film that came out. Oh yeah, everyone said that they

467
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Speaker 1: ruined Star Wars because it but listen, they were trying

468
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: new things. And I think that because the Luke Skywalker

469
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Speaker 1: has turned his back on the Jedi, and for good reason.

470
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Speaker 1: He's living on an island. He's living on an island

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Speaker 1: by himself with like some weird creatures. Caretakers, caretakers um.

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Speaker 1: This film brought in a lot of new ideas that

473
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Speaker 1: had never been talked about in Stars before, Like maybe

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Speaker 1: the Jedi aren't that good because they, like the whole

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Speaker 1: prequel films are about how they just sat on their

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Speaker 1: ass while the Sith like rose to power. The Jedi

477
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Speaker 1: had no idea, and Luke mentioned that this movie it's like, yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: the Jedi actually kind of suck. Yeah, he's switching to

479
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: good point, Luke. Uh, Laura Dern is good, but she's

480
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Speaker 1: kind of out of place in this movie. So it's

481
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Speaker 1: Benicio del Toro. You don't even remember this, do you do.

482
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: He's kind of like a he's like a smuggler, code breaker.

483
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's just he's a he ends up

484
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: betraying people anyway. Last Jedi overall very it's good. But

485
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: the Luke Kylo Ray stuff is great, the best stuff

486
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Speaker 1: Star Wars has ever done. Number three Rogue One? Whoa

487
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: Rogue One? This is the other anthology movie. This is

488
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Speaker 1: This takes place literally minutes before a New Hope, the

489
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Speaker 1: first Star Wars movie. It's about taking the plans for

490
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Speaker 1: the Death Star and getting them to Princess Leiah so

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Speaker 1: she can bring them to the rebellion. Um did you

492
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: see this film? No? Okay, it's very good. It's kind

493
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: of explores the more, kind of like scummy, weird, underground

494
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Speaker 1: Star Wars universe. Um, it's great. There's a really cool

495
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: sequence of Darth Vader at the end that is just

496
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: it gives me chills every time. But it's kind of

497
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Speaker 1: cool because it takes place literally minutes before the first

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Speaker 1: film starts. Uh and spoiler alert, everyone dies, which is

499
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Speaker 1: kind of fun. All the main characters. Jeez man, they

500
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: get blown up. It's a game of Thrones. I'm like,

501
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: why do more people got well going into it? You

502
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: know they're all they're all gonna die because they're not

503
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Speaker 1: in any of the other movies, and because you know

504
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: they're toast. But they sacrifice themself for the greater good.

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Speaker 1: Number two A New Hope, the first Star Wars movie.

506
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Speaker 1: It's just great. It's just it holds up. It's all

507
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: New Hope. It's all told from the perspective of these

508
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: two weird droids. Um, and it's just you know, it's

509
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Speaker 1: the hero's journey. It's Joseph Joseph Campbell. It's good and evil.

510
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: It's just fun. It's a blast. Hairson Ford brings a

511
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Speaker 1: lot of needed like swagger and coolness to this really weird,

512
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Speaker 1: dumb universe that kind of set the tone for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the most movies. Number one Empire Strikes Back.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's great. It's it's it's great. It's cliche,

515
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: but everything about it is perfect. Um. Harrison Ford is

516
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Speaker 1: somehow even cooler in this movie than the first one,

517
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Speaker 1: the you know classic I Am Your Father. Um, it's

518
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Speaker 1: just it's really well shot, cinematography is beautiful, Mark Hamill, Fisher,

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00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: Billy d Williams. Yep. Anyway, that is the official th HC.

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Speaker 1: Dark Hannon list of Star Wars ranking of all the

521
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Speaker 1: things I've done to you, this is like your dream

522
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: to have a you want to have like Star Wars

523
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: so how long? How long did that go? That went

524
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Speaker 1: for about ten minutes? I could have easily I mean

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Speaker 1: I was rushing, you rushed through it. I could run

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Speaker 1: under a way that more detail. For those of you

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Speaker 1: that are still with us, uh, welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Honey Collective. That was Dr Phil's Medicine Woman's top ten list.

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Speaker 1: Um right in with your thoughts about that. Uh, listen,

530
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: I can change my mind about this in five minutes.

531
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Speaker 1: But also it's cannon and it's irrefutable, so don't even

532
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: don't even don't refute Phil's top This is the list

533
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Speaker 1: of ten. Empire strikes back number one. If you have

534
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: a different opinion, it's wrong. This is the right one.

535
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Internet. That's how that's how it goes

536
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Speaker 1: here on the internet. Okay, Phil, you did a great job.

537
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Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. You have lived your dream. You

538
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: want to have a Star Wars podcast, don't you? Not necessarily?

539
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: I just maybe like you want to talk about not

540
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: like a multi episode podcast. Well, thank you to everyone

541
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: listening for giving Phil his dream, Phil Mango, the whole family.

542
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Thanks you. You seem defeated. You seem deflated right now.

543
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: You seem like you regret every decision that led to

544
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Speaker 1: this moment. I don't. That was not believable. That like

545
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: every time you're like, yeah, I love just be on

546
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: this show. All right? Moving on that great? Thanks Phil,

547
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: that was one of the best times ever. You're welcome. Um,

548
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone is still on board. Thanks, So we're

549
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna move on. Do you have any um Britain like

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00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: sound effects, like maybe a song that speaks to the

551
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: United Kingdom? What's the when they play when the queen

552
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: Boks in the room? Pay one play that. Now we're

553
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: gonna do a little international portion of the show and

554
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to our talk with Mark Kenyon on

555
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: the back forty about the back forty before that, we've

556
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: got a couple of really good emails from people living

557
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Speaker 1: over Yonder. The first one it's entitled how Lucky you Are?

558
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: And this one struck me. It's a long one so

559
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: I won't read it all. But this guy's names John.

560
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: He lives in the UK and he's got some perspective

561
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: for us. Um, I'm from the UK and over here

562
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: are our model of hunting is extremely different. We have

563
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Speaker 1: no public lands, we were able to hunt, We're not

564
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Speaker 1: able to hunt with a bow at all. Almost everything

565
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: land wise is private and require people to pay the

566
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Speaker 1: odds just for the experience of a rifle hunt. At

567
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Speaker 1: the very least, we are a nation that has almost

568
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: but forgotten our rich hunting heritage, and there are absolutely

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Speaker 1: no predators to keep the spiraling deer populations and check

570
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Speaker 1: other than us. The issue is always finding permission to

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Speaker 1: use any of the private land to hunt on. It's

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Speaker 1: ridiculously difficult. Our country is currently looking at banning all

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00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: trophy imports and this could spill over into importing harvested meat,

574
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: making international trips where hunting is supported almost worthless too.

575
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: I personally don't condone hunting animals for sport. I yearned

576
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: a hunt for me, for food and to provide my

577
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: family and do Due to misinformation and the rise of

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00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: social media outrage, small pockets of people are controlling how

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Speaker 1: hunters are perceived in the media and viewed by those

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00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: who maybe have no opinion. Fox hunting is flashpoint for

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Speaker 1: our anti hunters, but this year our government and a

582
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction to a very very few local folks

583
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: have even stop the hunting of wood pigeons and Corvid's

584
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: for a time. Two birds that decimate crops and lambs

585
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: we can fish, but unless you're on the coast or

586
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: in the mountains of Scotland, it's probably best you don't

587
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: eat them due to the very bad river pollution. We

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00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: can hunt ducks, pheasants and goose, along with other smaller

589
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: wild game again if you can get the seemingly unattainable permission.

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00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: If you do manage to hunt these game birds, there

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00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: are animal rights groups that actively head out to sabotage

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Speaker 1: your day and stop your hunts. Hunting for food is alien.

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00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: Hunting for conservation is an unspoken subject, and as I've

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00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: learned more hunting about hunting, it makes me feel frustrated,

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00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: restricted and totally hollow. We are pretty much a nation

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00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: of supermarket users. Our children have no idea where their

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00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: food comes from, and what small amount of hunting culture

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00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: we have is severely under threat, and regardless of what

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00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: type of hunting you for take in, you are demonized.

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Speaker 1: Regardless of any hunting issues you may come to face

601
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Speaker 1: in the u S. Please always remember how lucky you

602
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: are and that you have a system that supports you.

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00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: For the most part. In this solemn story, you can

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00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: you can hunt our native deer here in the UK

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00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: if you're willing to pay. Of course, some places are

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00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: more reasonable price wise, so it's possible to fill the freezer.

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Speaker 1: So it's not all doom and gloom. Kindness regards John.

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Speaker 1: That's that's it's a lot of doom and gloom though,

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00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: say I just felt in reading that. We feel as

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Speaker 1: though we had a podcast recently a lot of people

611
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: wrote in about Clay Nucom's feeling that we shouldn't give

612
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: an inch, right, we shouldn't give anything anything up to

613
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: this shifting culture. We should we should hold the ground.

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00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: What was his term, guard the gate? Guard the gate,

615
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: We should guard the gate. Now, if you want to

616
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: find a good argument for guarding the gate, this would

617
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: be one of them. Now, there's a lot of different

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00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: things happening within the culture of Britain, the UK, Scotland,

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00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: the British ailes in total. But this just tells you

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00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: there's there's one guy over there's feeling real, real depressed

621
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: about it, Phil real depressed about it. So good perspective

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Speaker 1: for all of us who enjoy our hunting heritage here

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Speaker 1: in the United States, Oh America. Now moving on to Scotland,

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Speaker 1: back in episode what the hell ever? Number maybe eighty

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Speaker 1: five was whiskey and ethics l eighty four, eighty four

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00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: was whisky and ethics doesn't really matter. In episode eighty four,

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00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: we'll call it we did a whiskey and ethics on

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Speaker 1: the gripping granted in that we talked about a young

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Speaker 1: lady who went to Scotland um shot some animals and

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Speaker 1: stirred up an outrage. Uh Ian Henderson wrote in from

631
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Speaker 1: over There, he's a Scott living in the US, and

632
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Speaker 1: he wanted to help paint the picture of why Scotland

633
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: hated this young lady and why the backlash occurred. He said,

634
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: I feel that Steve talking about Steve Rinella totally missed

635
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: the culture points related to why the lady who shot

636
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: the goat got such a backlash in Skytle. It's not

637
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: just because she was wearing a tweed suit. Scott's love

638
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: fairness and hard work. They hate elitists. If someone spends

639
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of money to pay someone to do their

640
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: dirty work, if they don't need to work hard and

641
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: they somehow look clean when everyone else is dirty and wet,

642
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: they're going to be labeled as a twat, a tube,

643
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: a wanker, a ball bag, or some other creative insults.

644
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: I can think of one that I thought. I thought

645
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: you were filling in that game. No I was not.

646
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: He this is I'm still reading from got it, just

647
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: reading from it, he said, Let me paint a picture

648
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: of the American equivalent scenario and see how you might feel.

649
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: Chester Framingham the third is a wealthy stockbroker from New

650
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: York City. He flies to a high fence operation in

651
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: Texas and ghost hunting. This particular high fence operation is small,

652
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred acres at most. It has a

653
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: lot of easements across it, so the animals are highly

654
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: habituated to people. He chooses Texas because it's quaint and authentic.

655
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: He has paid a hundred thousand dollars for this hunt

656
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: and lets everyone know about it. He's dressed from head

657
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: to toe in Patagonia gear in various pastel shades. He

658
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: uses a four h and h double rifle to kill

659
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: a steer from twenty five yards. Chester poses for his photos.

660
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: Chester likes to kill stuff for fun, and they don't

661
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: have cows in New York City. Chester is sparkling clean

662
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: despite their being a tornado and driving rain. Everyone nearby

663
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: is cold, wet, and wind blown, but Chester the Third

664
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: and his people keep him out of the elements so

665
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: he looks perfect for the photo. He leaves the cow

666
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: to the ranch owner to clean up. That won't fit

667
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: in his private jet, and New York won't allow the

668
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: meat to be imported anyway. Nothing illegal or necessarily an

669
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: ethical about Chester's hunt. The cow was soon to be

670
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: slaughtered anyway, and died extremely quickly. But everything about that

671
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 1: seems out of place, elitist and frankly, you're thinking Chester

672
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: framed in the third is a prick. I'm all right?

673
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: Is still still read an email checking in on that.

674
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: Hunting is already a highly elite activity in the United

675
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: Kingdom due to the nature of private property and game laws.

676
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: On top of that, right to rome and the small

677
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: size of the property, combined with almost zero hunter pressure

678
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: means wild isn't what you think it is, and isn't

679
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: an American. All that baggage and context was piled onto

680
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: the grip and Grind controversy. It was about a rich

681
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: foreign asshole abusing the privilege, wasting meat and killing for fun.

682
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: It was little to do with hunting, whether the meat

683
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: was ultimately waste. It doesn't matter. It was clear she

684
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: wasn't eating it at all. She was killing more than

685
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: she needed. She was a local lass and a wool sweater,

686
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: grimly cutting the throat of a lamb for Sunday lunch

687
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: with no joy or fanfare. Then no controversy would have

688
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: been had. Also, it's pronounced ila. The s and the

689
00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: y in Ila are silent cheers like that little jab

690
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: at the end. Now, if you want to go back

691
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: and listen to our conversation, we did talk about the

692
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: young lady that went over to Scotland and created this

693
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: by killing a goat on the island that obviously routes

694
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: people up. And so when I read that on our

695
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: first it's extremely well written, So thank you for that. Ian.

696
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: I will remember our our new friend Chester Framington's third

697
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: as long as I might live. So it's good to

698
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: have some real perspective, uh well written perspective from the

699
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: folks over there. So thanks to our international contingent Phil

700
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: play the music, uh the UK music. I like that

701
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: you bookend every do. I just kinda do it at

702
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: the beginning and the end. That's it. If that's my

703
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: new strategy, it seems to be working. People are into

704
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: it maybe, so that's it. I got a lot of

705
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: other emails that came in from a lot of other

706
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: very uh smart individuals that listen to the show. So

707
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: thank you. I enjoy the discourse. I enjoy reading what

708
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: you have to say. It's a big part of why

709
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: I do this. UM. Even though the social media contings

710
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: you can sometimes be a little bit, how we say,

711
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: dick ish, the emails that come into TC at the

712
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: meetator dot com are always enlightening and always well crafted.

713
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for that. It makes this

714
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: a lot easier, makes it worth and so we'll keep

715
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: reading those, keep sending the th HC at the meat

716
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: Eator dot com. T HC at the meat Eator dot

717
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: com feeling good, philm being great. Let's see one more

718
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: thing before we go to the back for you, speaking

719
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: of social media dick ishness, I feel I need to

720
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: address something quickly, and we'll do it quickly. There's a

721
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: lot of people saying out there on the internet. I've

722
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: read a few people saying and then I've had a

723
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: couple of people mentioned this to me that it has

724
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: been UM. It has been positive that I and one

725
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: guy wrote swinging on the nuts of Stephen Ronnella, swinging

726
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: on the nuts Stephen Ronella, riding the coattails what other

727
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: things that people say, Um, whatever, we got it, we

728
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: got it drafting Steven. A lot of people saying that,

729
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a little bit, that's a kind

730
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: of a pot shot, bullshit way of ah high school insults,

731
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: And I get it. That's what the internet it's all about.

732
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you. But here's what I'll say to you.

733
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: I joined a company run by Stephen Rinella, moved my

734
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: family to Bozeman, Montana to follow his ideas and his company,

735
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: and so absolutely I'm riding his coattails that, there's no

736
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: doubt about that, Like, that's part of this company. We

737
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: wanted to come together under his leadership and under the

738
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: idea that Meat Eater could be more than just Steve

739
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: and would be more than just Steve. So for those

740
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: of you that are leveling that criticism, I hear you,

741
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: and you're wrong. Well, actually I hear you, and you're right.

742
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: You're right, but for the wrong reason, right, but for

743
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: the wrong reasons. I absolutely am riding his coattails. And

744
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: I was very clear about that in the beginning, and

745
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: so I will be clear again that I absolutely am

746
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: looking forward to continually riding the coattails of what he

747
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: created with our company, making it better, expanding it, and

748
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: expanding the ideas and what we stand for. So I'll

749
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: just address that there in case you were wondering, in

750
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: case you were leveling those high school bully type of

751
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: bullshit insults. You keep doing it, but just know that

752
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and so take that for what

753
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: it is. Now we're going to the back forty enjoy.

754
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: I guess I grew up on an older road. Hey,

755
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: we're here in mark, kenyans in laws camper. Yes, sir,

756
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: it's a unique environment. I find you. You keep acting

757
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: like this is some bizarre thing. I no, no, I'm

758
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: not acting. It's four dudes, one camper. It's turned out

759
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: to ye, it's about after this releases four dudes, one camper.

760
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, it's it's fine, there's nothing wrong

761
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: with it. I just find that it's nice. It's nice

762
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: to make light of sleeping in your in laws camper.

763
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: Thanks to Tim and Lisa what's your last name? Bernst Bernstein,

764
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: very very letting you racious of them borrow the sun

765
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: Dance camper. Right, campers underselling it's a big fifth wheel.

766
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: It's big. I think I think Bend is maybe just

767
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: a little jaded towards it because of a sleeping arrangement

768
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: the last couple of nights. Let me describe. We're here

769
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: on the back forty. Uh. If you watch the show

770
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: or listen to this podcast, you may hear the sounds

771
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: of cars drive by. It's very annoying to me. There's

772
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: a road right where we sleep on the back forty,

773
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: and there's this is like a rule. There's like four

774
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: houses on this whole road, and then it's like the

775
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: belt way out there. People tear through it. What's going on? Mark,

776
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. You don't have no answer, all right,

777
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: but people definitely use a lot more than you'd expect. Yeah,

778
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: So if you've watched the show and you hear, wow,

779
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: that's what's going down. If you're here to here too.

780
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: But the back forty provides it? Does? It's sure? Ship does? Um?

781
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: Tim and Lisa gave you this fifth wheel camper and

782
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: it has you know, you give me a tour of it.

783
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: But it has a bedroom which you as like a

784
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: king bed. Is that a temper. It's a full size bed,

785
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: a full size bed, same size as your mattress. Is

786
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: it temperate, We'll get to that. It's definitely. It's not tempting,

787
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: but it's very comfortable. It's gotta quilt that's and then

788
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: you sleep there. It's kind of like like the Master

789
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: Sweet and does the Master Sweet and uh. Attached to

790
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: that is the bathroom, Yes, which tends to get when

791
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: you turn the furnace on, gets hot. Hot box, the

792
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: hot the hot air pipes in the rooms were pooped

793
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: in just a hot room. This eth it. And then

794
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: when you're done pooping, what do you do? Mark? What's

795
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: the process? Well, because we're out here and it's very cold, Um,

796
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: we can't have you know, the plumbing working in a

797
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: camper like this right now, so we have to flush

798
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: the toilet with a jug of anti freeze. So we've

799
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: just got a black tank on the camper that's full

800
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: of our stuff and anti freeze keep it from freezing up. Nice. Nice,

801
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: You've never you've not lived until you've woken up in

802
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: the morning to the smell of human feces and anti freeze.

803
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: Just heat it up like a hot pocket. Yes, the

804
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: Sweet Sweet smell of November. So but we're here. We're

805
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: here also with with Hunter, who just woke up from

806
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: a nap. Hey, Hunter, Hey, how's it going? Just woke up? Sleep,

807
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: creezes still fresh in his face, very fresh. We'll make

808
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: lots of moaning noises. And then we have Jordan's Hello.

809
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: They're both with Captured Creative, the creative element behind the

810
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: back forty all the wonderful filming, the wonderful editing, the

811
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: music at tension, the resolution, the conflict, all of that.

812
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: It's all these guys. It's all Jordan's Hunter and Taylor Taylor. Yeah,

813
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: shout out to Taylor's back. Probably right now, just in

814
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: a dark room with headphones on, listening to market. So anyway, continue.

815
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: There's a nice little kitchen at here, a little stove,

816
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: a microwave is in a freezer, all very nicely adorned.

817
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: There's a little table. We're sitting at a little table

818
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: um where Jordan's would sleep. The table turns into a bed,

819
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: very short bed. It's the shortest bed I've ever seen.

820
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: Can't stretch out. The bed is about four and a

821
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: half feet long. Very it's long. It's very compact. How

822
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: have you been doing that? Do you sleep diagonally or

823
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: do you curl? No, well, yeah, diagonally, but I end

824
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: up curling because okay, so it's not perfectly like a

825
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: child anyway. That's where Jordan's sleeps. Uh. And then if

826
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: you go over to the other side of the fifth wheel,

827
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: there's a nice uh it looks like it was it

828
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: a couch that turns into a blow up bed. That's

829
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: where Connor was just sleeping. He's woken up still a

830
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: bit groggy apparently. Apparently it's pretty comfy. It's comfy apparently.

831
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: And then that's that's all the beds that this comes with.

832
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: But there's one extra person. That's me, the last person

833
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: to show up. Last person to show up. I slept

834
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: on an air mattress purchased at probably Walmart. I think

835
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: it probably was probably Royal Wall and we'll get get

836
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: to that soon. I slept on it the first night.

837
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: I blew it up and I had a little sleeping

838
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: bag and a couple of pillows. It was actually really comfortable.

839
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: Problem is the furnace. Event for the furnace is that

840
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: basically my level when I lay down on the ground.

841
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: The other problem with that is that there was a

842
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: hole in the air mattress somewhere that we've got to determine.

843
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: So my wife told me that she thinks that it

844
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: is used your air. She says she was having this

845
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: issue and there's two valves and she wasn't closing one

846
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: of them. There's two of them, yeah, the other I

847
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: know it. I trust me, sure, trust me. I'm not sure. No,

848
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: that is there's no way to be a hunter. But

849
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sleeping on it tonight, so I'm gonna

850
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: fiddle with it some more. It'll probably, I'm sure, but

851
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 1: I there is two valves, right, There's a main valve

852
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: and then little cap that screws in. So I was

853
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: screwing both those in and clicking them in slowly, I

854
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: mean slowly. I would go to sleep with a full

855
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: air mattress, just pretty comfortable and then warm from the furnace,

856
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: like it was going to sleep in a very comfortable position,

857
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: and I would wake up like I was in some

858
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: kind of burrito or something of sadness with this like

859
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: deflated now air mattress, and then I would be it

860
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: would be like a hundred degrees on the floor, so

861
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 1: I'd be just sweaty and I'd be laying basically laying

862
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: at this point on the Lenolian floor of the kitchen.

863
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: It was struggling. This stands, yeah, help me understand it.

864
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: What rate this is happening? So what time do you

865
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: wake up in this state of affairs? Well, I'm so tired,

866
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm so tired from this hunting that we do that

867
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: I don't really know. It would be like three in

868
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: the morning, probably going to be the first time I

869
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: went to bed at midnight, woke up at three, and

870
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: I was completely on the floor covered in sweat. So

871
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: I was trying to like you ever seen the ace

872
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: Ventura or he's trying to crawl out of the rhino.

873
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of what I was like, Yeah, that's what

874
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: I was like, Jordan knows exactly what you're talking about.

875
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: It was like that. And then the second morning was

876
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: basically the same. I had confidence every time it must

877
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: be a user air. If I just fiddle with this valve,

878
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: if I just turned this valve with all my might

879
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: and I talked to it and I tell it to

880
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: not let any air out, it'll be fine. Each night

881
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: though the best part wasn't it didn't deflate like completely.

882
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: There was like a depression where you were. So it's

883
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: just enough to make a struggle to get outside. It

884
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: was like the han Ever, it's like the saddest hammock ever,

885
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: as as are you doing all right? Hunter? You wake it? Yeah,

886
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm getting there. You're getting there. He's feeling it. That

887
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: gets me to like, so I somehow I'm up in

888
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: chipper and I'm having back problems probably for the rest

889
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: of my life. You need coffee. I do need coffee,

890
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: but I don't drink it, never had it. I don't

891
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: even care. I'm just gonna keep on, keep on pushing

892
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: it though. All right, Well, the point of this podcast

893
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: was not to make fun or point fingers at any

894
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of air, mattress or camper. But we're gonna go

895
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: back in time and tell the whole story. I have

896
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 1: a property called the Back forty and as a de side,

897
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: you can hear the furnaces turned on in the fifth wheel.

898
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: You can imagine if hopefully you can hear that, I

899
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: hope that's audible. That's air that would have been blowing

900
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: on me each night and sweating me out my sleeping bag.

901
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: Good thing. It was a fifteen degree bag and it

902
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: wasn't like a negative degree bag. Well, the first night

903
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: we didn't run the furnace in that fifteen degree bag

904
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: or zero to green bag would have come in handy

905
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: because it's pretty cold. Hunter forgot to bring a sleeping bag,

906
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: so he just tried to find every blank he could

907
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: find and up into a ball and hibernated underneath it

908
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: as best as could. Yeah, I mean, we're four men

909
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: who have not showered in some time, we have very

910
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: little sleep, and we've been eating all kinds of like

911
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: just terrible foods. It says it's it's tough out here.

912
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: It's the rut, it's tough out here at the back forty.

913
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: It's no joke. Back forty is a me as I

914
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: said one time. Um, so we gotta go back and

915
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: tell the whole story the back forty because if you

916
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: don't know what the back forty is, you're missing out.

917
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: So stop now. You're not allowed to go any further

918
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: than this podcast. Until you stop. You go to the

919
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 1: Mediator YouTube and you watch all the episodes. It's gonna

920
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: be three episodes. I believe four episodes will be up

921
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: in live by the time This Coast live, So there's

922
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: four episodes for your viewing. Pleasure that we're uh that

923
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: feature Mark Kenyon, Steve Nnelly, Ones tell us myself and

924
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: a fellow named Luke McCauley in the latest episode over

925
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: there at the meeting. YouTube's edited and filmed by Capture Creative.

926
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: We're joined by yes, Yes, and here we all are.

927
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: Here we are, and so you go over there and

928
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: you watch. Uh. Briefly, Mark described the Back forty project

929
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: as it stands right now. So the Back forty is

930
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: a project in which we have sought out and then

931
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: purchased a small piece of land in Michigan, and our

932
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: goal for that piece of property is to learn about

933
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: this piece of land, learn about private land conservation, learn

934
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: about how you can manage a property like that for biodiversity,

935
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: for wildlife, plant life, native species, all these things, and

936
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: trying to figure out can you do that which entails

937
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: a whole lot and also manage it for and enjoy

938
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: great hunting. Um. There's a whole lot of folks out

939
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: there that talk about how to find a property or

940
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: how to hunt a property, but there's a whole lot

941
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: less that dive into trying to balance those two things

942
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: and what you can learn along the way. So that's

943
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. So that's a back for it.

944
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: It's a big project from either who ever thought a

945
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: company that you worked for by a property for you

946
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: to manage? Mark Kenyon, did you ever believe it to

947
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: be true? Uh? No, I would have never guessed it,

948
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: imagined it ahead of time. Um. But it was an

949
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: exciting thing, big, big undertaking, exciting opportunity, fun challenge, stressful challenge,

950
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: scary times. Yeah, I want to get a phone call

951
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: from Ben at eleven o'clock at night or something like,

952
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: oh no, what has happening now? What has gone wrong?

953
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: So attached to the back forty is a contest that

954
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: you've probably heard about here on the show sometimes, and

955
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: that is a contest where you can go right now

956
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: to the Meteor dot com slashback forty and enter to

957
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: win a hunt with Steve and Ronella. You'll know that

958
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: guy and then also Mark here on the back forty

959
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: next November. So if you already stopped, and you wouldn't

960
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: you watch all for those episodes, stop again and go

961
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: to the media dot Com find that enter the wind page,

962
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: fill out all the details. An enter to win will

963
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: pause to make sure you've done it, and you don't

964
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: just win the hunt. We're also gearing you up right. Yeah,

965
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna gear you up. We're gonna give you stuff.

966
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: But it's not about stuff. It's about experiences, not about commercialism.

967
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: Parent meat eater, Peter whiskey. I knew something like that

968
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: was coming. Meet whisky. We actually have some meetor whiskey

969
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: over there. We should get it out in the corn.

970
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: Go get some hunter that will stretch your stretch your

971
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: bones out. Take your headphones off, don't fall over. They

972
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: do work you. Just these ones. You can't hear yourself,

973
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: but we can hear you. Oh nice, all right, we

974
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: got some Metator whiskey here. We'll break that out while

975
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: we're while we're filming. Do you want to get class

976
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, we should get glad. We're just passed

977
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: the bottle around. It's like this is a fine bourbon whiskey.

978
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: We can't drink it out of the bottle. Yeah, shot class,

979
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: that would be nice. I'll tell you what we're celebrating

980
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: when Hunter gets the glasses over here. We're celebrating the

981
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: end of an episode, but also the end of the

982
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: life of the Wide eight, the Wide eight, Goodbye Wide eight.

983
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that later. This is like a

984
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: non linear podcast where you love those kind of stories.

985
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: I love non linear stories. This mark I can tell you.

986
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: But anyway, the back forty when do we? When do

987
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: we first like convinced the powers that be at Meat

988
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: Eater that this was a good idea. Well, I was

989
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: starting to pitch it internally in folks last November one

990
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: year ago, I was pitching it to some folks and

991
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: there was some interest in it. And then by December

992
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: we were talking to more people, and by January was

993
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, this is something we think we

994
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: should do. And I think by February I was on

995
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: the search trying to find a piece of ground. And

996
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: that's actually I feel. How long was that two months

997
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: that you were looking for? The two months give or

998
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: take three? Yeah, just three. I'll take a drink out

999
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: of the bottle. All right, we got shots, all right,

1000
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: just three of us. Okay, cheers, cheers with the with

1001
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: the cheers with your thing. Cheers boys taking a shot

1002
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: of meatia or whiskey here live on the show. I

1003
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: haven't tried. I haven't tried to punging a roma, hot stings, stings,

1004
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: the nostrils. It's got I think it's got bits of

1005
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,959
Speaker 1: real elk one side. Oh bam, this is uh, that'll

1006
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: do it. Alcohol by vall shop out of your naprol.

1007
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: Good hunt. It's gonna put me back too bad Meatia

1008
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: straper will see pear as well with just about anything,

1009
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: but we prefer it with freshly prepared wild game. There

1010
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: you go, or in a trailer with your friends. Either

1011
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: that's let's I don't get us going feeling good? Hunter?

1012
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: You wake now? Yeah, you're still working those sleep creases

1013
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: pretty good. I like it. I like what you're bringing

1014
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: to the table. A's far you. I haven't said much,

1015
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: but what you said is impactful. Well you gave me

1016
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: like a whole twenty seconds to prepare. Yeah, that's all right,

1017
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Marks getting his social doing this

1018
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: social media anyway, back to the story of the back forty.

1019
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: Mark had this idea that we would buy a property, right, so, uh,

1020
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: we did buy a property, which I was always shocked

1021
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: at because I've been in the industry a while and

1022
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: I've always thought every place i've been I've made a

1023
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: suggestion like, hey, how about we buy a hunting property

1024
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: and I'll help you with it, hunt it, and it'll

1025
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: be like ours together corporation. And the corporation never said

1026
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: yes until Stephen Ronnella gave us the thumbs up to

1027
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: do this. But but he had some very strict, what

1028
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: I would say is very strict stipulations Mark about doing this. Yeah,

1029
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: and it was. It was. It was a good h

1030
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: balance at it was just good and put. It was

1031
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: good and put to help make sure that we were

1032
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: looking at this thing from the big picture, which was

1033
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: make sure this isn't just about big bucks and deer hunting.

1034
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: Mark him talking about me, he knows I'm really into

1035
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: white tail hunting. I get excited about chasing those big

1036
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: old bucks, which is great. A lot of people are

1037
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: interested in that. But there's also a lot more going on.

1038
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: And we wanted to take a unique look at this place.

1039
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: So how can we tell the story of a small

1040
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: property and hunting a small property, but also look at

1041
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: what else is going on out there, the birds and

1042
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: the bees and the small mammals and watersheds, turkeys and

1043
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: all the things going on on these places. How do

1044
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: we tell that story too? And Uh, And that was

1045
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of the impetus for making the back forty what

1046
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: it is, which is not just another deer hunting show. Yeah,

1047
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: I think behind the scenes wise, it came down to

1048
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: we we decided to buy the property, and we had

1049
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: purchased the property right we You had said, I got

1050
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: this property, here's what it looks like, and we all

1051
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: talked about it and we said, hey, we dig it.

1052
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: But I think I want to say that Steve talked

1053
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: to his brother Matt Ronella about the idea, and I

1054
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna buy this property. We're gonna hunt

1055
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: it for white tails, we're gonna film and make content,

1056
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna give the property away. We're gonna

1057
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: a hunt away, but also at the very end of

1058
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: the whole thing, give away the properties some lucky meat

1059
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: eater fan, audience member, whatever. We're gonna give it away

1060
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: to something like the idea was, we're just going to

1061
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: give it away. Right. We hadn't decided on and still

1062
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: really haven't decided on what exactly we're gonna do, but

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01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: we know we're gonna we'ren do it this year and

1064
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: next year and give it away. That's the plan of

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01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: it stands right now. You can't hold us to that

1066
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: because we might change tomorrow. But that's that's what we

1067
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: had talked about. And matt Ronelle came back and said, well, listen,

1068
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: don't be everyone else be meat eater and talked to

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01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Steve about it, and they and See came back and

1070
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: they at hatched some ideas about it. And I remember

1071
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: thinking how challenging it would be to both film a

1072
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: show around a concept of deer hunting but also a

1073
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: concept of like the greater ecosystem that it's a part of,

1074
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: and then that marries up into the private lands portion

1075
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: of the conversation, and on and on we go. I

1076
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: remember thinking, oh my god, that's gonna be tough, um,

1077
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,959
Speaker 1: you know, to to put together. And it it turns

1078
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: out I was right, it is tough to put together.

1079
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: And that's where I think, uh, capture creative comes in.

1080
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: We you know, to take you a little bit further

1081
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. We don't like to talk about this

1082
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but it is part of the story.

1083
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: We bought the property in what month, closed at the

1084
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: very end of April, right, so marketized conversation and I'm

1085
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, helping lead the project marks of course the

1086
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: center point of it. Ah, We're like, yeah, let's get started,

1087
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: start filming. We're just gonna go. Let's go, let's go.

1088
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: We gotta do stuff. We've run that time. If there

1089
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: was anything done, we wait, we don't have any money

1090
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: for this, no budget, no plan, no nothing, no content,

1091
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,959
Speaker 1: business plan, nobody to document it. So we were ready

1092
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: to go. It turns out we were way off because

1093
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: it took us a while to get things lined up

1094
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: and in the biggest thing was just getting everybody a

1095
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: line on what we had to do, what we wanted

1096
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: to do, what we felt like was necessary. Right. So

1097
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: once we all got a line that had to be

1098
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: about biodiversity, it had to be about everything, not just

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01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: bucks um. Then we set about like making a plan

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01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: to make the content right. And so that's where we

1101
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: hatched the idea of seasonal episodes, which you've watched. Hopefully

1102
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: you've watched four. If you haven't stopped, now welcome back.

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01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: You've now watched four episodes of the back forty. That's

1104
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: what we had planned to do about that more. Yeah, Mark,

1105
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: it's good, we'll get to that mark because we'll get

1106
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: to that. We got a long way to go after

1107
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: they just watched those four ms. Yeah, you've now watched

1108
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: all four episodes. Wait, we'll wait, go back and watch

1109
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: them again. Wait, okay, welcome back for the second time.

1110
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: You've now watched about an hour of Mark Kenyon floundering

1111
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: about the back already doing everything. But then you know,

1112
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: so we had those challenges. We had have meetings and

1113
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: meetings and talk and talk and talk. It's a big

1114
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: project for a company like ours, so you know, in

1115
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: efforts to just kind of give you guys all behind

1116
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: the scenes of how this content comes to be, we

1117
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: had a lot of stress. Like Mark and I had

1118
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: a lot of conversations about like, what is going on.

1119
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: We're never going to do this. We bought this property

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01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: and it is sitting. It's sitting, and it's useless until

1121
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: we can actually make all moves on. Yeah, it is

1122
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: not as if we just bought a place and then

1123
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: just start going doing on things and then someone's gonna

1124
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: foll around and record everything and then just magically happens.

1125
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: There's a whole planning and writing and thinking and debating

1126
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: and changing and how many power point presentations do we

1127
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: make focus a bunch of power points ten thousand word documents.

1128
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times plans and episodes

1129
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: and many plans, so many treatments, so many everything. But

1130
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: we want to do this right. We want to do

1131
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: this the met either way, and that's where we are.

1132
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of market I spent a

1133
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: lot of time on the phone in July going like, um,

1134
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: what we've got nothing done two and a half months

1135
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: after we bought the property, and we have done all

1136
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: of nothing, not for like a trying, no, certainly trying,

1137
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: just all these logistical things. Yeah, I mean, we finally

1138
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: marshal the resources, which is a big undertaking, and we

1139
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: finally got a plan for what we wanted to do.

1140
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: And then we've we called Jordan and Taylor Captured Creative

1141
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: and they said, oh my god, what are you talking about.

1142
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: That is a terrible idea. No one will ever be

1143
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: able to do that word for word for word for word.

1144
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: But we convinced, eventually convinced them that our insanity was

1145
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: worth their work. Um, which couldn't have done it without

1146
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: them to this point or at any point. And what

1147
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: it was like the end of July, early August, by

1148
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: the time we had we had figured all of it

1149
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: out and got everything aligned, and that by that time,

1150
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: anybody who manages their properties for any for any part

1151
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: of wildlife, let alone dear knows that August is the

1152
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: time where you're normally just making your little refinements, little changes,

1153
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: maybe a hinge cut this, maybe oh little late season,

1154
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: we'll put some book forward. Judge right there, you do

1155
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: you let you do your your fall food plots, if

1156
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: you're into that kind of thing. That's auguste checking trail cameras,

1157
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: we were like, oh crap, what can we do between

1158
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: now in the beginning of of deer season, which is

1159
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: two months away, to get things where they need to be.

1160
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: And that's where Georgian commanded Jordan, you can just tell

1161
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: us very quickly what you thought about this whole idea

1162
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: when we first gave it, when we first ran it

1163
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: by you, Yeah, that was be honest, there was a lot.

1164
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we so we come from like a white

1165
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: tail hunting background, both Taylor and I so it was

1166
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: a super relatable project for us. But also, I mean

1167
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: we were a two man team at that point, and

1168
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: usually our fall is pretty solidified by end of spring,

1169
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: like May, we're pretty much like, yeah, we've got a

1170
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: lot to do this fall. Luckily, last spring we reached

1171
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: out to hunter just trying to kind of branching out,

1172
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, if we need if we would have needed help,

1173
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: or you know, just kind of growing, growing what we

1174
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: were doing, and you know, kind of let it rest.

1175
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: We kind of kept in kept in contact with him

1176
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: for a little bit there, and then all of a sudden,

1177
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: the middle of July got there and we're like, yeah, Howter,

1178
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna need you a whole bunch in the next

1179
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: few months. What are you doing? What are you doing

1180
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: for say, the rest of the year. Yes, what are

1181
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: you busy? And Hunter? What did you think when you

1182
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: first heard about this idea that is the back forty

1183
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: Oh uh, I mean it seemed like a lot to

1184
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: do in a short amount of time. But filling up

1185
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: the shot glasses again, I mean right, Mark, it sounds

1186
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: like a great idea from the get go. You were

1187
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: totally into it. Oh yeah, Like I'm I'm a twenty

1188
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: three year old man. You were twenty two at the time.

1189
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: He spent his birthday in the trailer. There's a little

1190
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: piece of classic Yeah, the other day was your birthday.

1191
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: In the trailer, we did have like some oh my gosh,

1192
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: I got him, I got him caramel ganash brownies. All

1193
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: those things, like you know, it was the most insulting

1194
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: thing about them was that it was like this giant

1195
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: chunk of chocolate with more chocolate spread on top of it.

1196
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: And then just as an insult to everyone, they had

1197
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: taken chunks of brownie and sprinkled on top of the

1198
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: brownie that had icing on top of the brownie. It

1199
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: was just like, it was very insulting to me, like, yes,

1200
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat this, but I'm going to enjoy it,

1201
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: and I might like it's gonna be hard to breathe.

1202
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 1: For about two hours after Welcome to the Midwest, I

1203
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: got a lot of comments, we're gonna get to the

1204
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: days in in We're gonna have a lot of stuff

1205
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: here briefly in this tale. But so we signed on

1206
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: and capture creative in the linear timeline of the back

1207
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: for you and Mark knows. I don't like linear timelines.

1208
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: It's not a good way to tell a story. Wayne,

1209
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: for you to keep love the show This is Us.

1210
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody out there listens to This

1211
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: is Us. I love it. It's great. When you first

1212
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: brought that up to make out what if we did

1213
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: this like this is Us? I had to go watch

1214
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: some of that ship like this it's so good man.

1215
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: I'll be in there just like watching this is using

1216
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: my wife and I'd be like, oh my gosh, this

1217
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: this is so touching. Kevin Fire. Yeah, don't play, don't

1218
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: don't give anything away. Okay, we're going to take a

1219
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: quick break. You guys got to watch all three season

1220
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: This is Us coming back? All right, welcome back. You've

1221
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: now watched about seventeen hours of This is Us. How

1222
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: about that more? Yeah? How about that's a non linear

1223
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: way to go about it. Anyway. We are we greenly.

1224
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: We green lit this thing in August with the idea

1225
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: that we would have about eight or nine episodes that show.

1226
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: We would launch them in the kind of a semi

1227
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: live um every two weeks fashion. Now. We had about

1228
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: seventeen different plans that were thwarted by reality. Um. But

1229
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,879
Speaker 1: in early August we went to work, right. We started

1230
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: looking at the property making a plan. And when I

1231
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: say we, I say, Mark, Um, so like described the

1232
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: first the first time when we let you loose on

1233
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 1: the property. What you were thinking, Mark, Well, when I

1234
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: first got let loose in the property was after we

1235
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: quote well, even before we closed on it because I

1236
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: found it. Do you want to hear the story of

1237
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: how I founded or just skip right to we bought it?

1238
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: And what do they think once we are Oh? Non,

1239
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: literally we go back in time. That's perfect. This is us.

1240
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: Would definitely do this. I will try to make it

1241
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: clip in time. You know, search and search visited I

1242
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: think twelve different properties I visited in person. Spent a

1243
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: lot of time looking online at all these different properties,

1244
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: and I had a certain set of criteria that are

1245
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: harder to come by than I've realized. I always assumed that, oh, someday,

1246
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: when you have the resources, you can get your dream

1247
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: far would be awesome, and so I thought, Okay, we

1248
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: have the ability to get a farm, now just pick it.

1249
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: There'll be all such great options. But that was not

1250
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: the case. Had several properties got sold underneath us, had

1251
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:12,879
Speaker 1: several that you know, it's like weird backup offers and etcetera, ETCETERA.

1252
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: Long story short. Ended up stumbling on this one when

1253
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: driving to another property. I drove by and saw the

1254
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: sign in front of it and thought, huh, it looks

1255
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 1: good from the road. Pulled up on X, looked at

1256
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: the map and said, that's what happened loaded free acres. No, dear,

1257
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 1: I wish it was up front advertising like that. Um

1258
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 1: but no. But I looked at the map and said,

1259
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: that's what I've been looking for, and found the agent

1260
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: and got permission to walk it. And sixty four acres

1261
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: rolling hills. There's about six fields old fields, old fields.

1262
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: Most of it is like remnant, like really just brushy

1263
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 1: cover like golden Rod and Marristale and things like that.

1264
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,879
Speaker 1: There's a swamp in the center that that mark affectionally

1265
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: calls the sanctuary. There. There's more rolling hills than I

1266
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: expect there to be, and there's there's a ridge in

1267
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: the far what southeast corner of the property that really

1268
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 1: we think whole deer that's called the Honey Hoole. So

1269
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,839
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot about this property to like, especially

1270
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: in in the spot where it does in Michigan. It's

1271
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: close to your place, it's close close to really the

1272
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: origins of meat eater in our company. So there's a

1273
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: lot of reasons why you would want to buy a

1274
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: property like this. And I will say one inspired me

1275
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: about this piece of ground is it's it's just unassuming.

1276
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 1: It's it's in a world where everybody on TV has

1277
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: to kill some giant buck, and every property has to

1278
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: be pristine and thought through. This is a chance for

1279
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: people to see the guts of a thing, like what

1280
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: it takes to build something from. It's not nothing, but

1281
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: it's it's really close to nothing. Yeah, this is very

1282
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: much the everyman's property. I mean it's it's small, it's raw,

1283
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have a whole bunch of special stuff on it yet,

1284
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 1: it's just it just had the potential I thought, And

1285
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: it was in a good area for my research. It's

1286
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: it's not in the middle of nowhere. There's developed men

1287
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: around it, there's towns around it, there's encroaching you know,

1288
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: industrial parks and all that kind of thing going, like

1289
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: super high roads. So so me and me and Doug

1290
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: were talking like what we have here is kind of

1291
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: like the potential dug during UM five. You'll see that

1292
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: coming up soon, exactly right. This this kind of little

1293
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: oasis that we could protect in some way and nurture

1294
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: in some little conservation oasis of sorts, um chucked in

1295
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: the middle of a whole lot of other stuff. So

1296
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: so yeah, it was when I first got to walk

1297
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,640
Speaker 1: out there and see it on you know first when

1298
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,560
Speaker 1: I looked before we purchased it, and after purchasing it,

1299
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: it was just excitement, anticipation. I have very high expectations though, Um,

1300
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: in Michigan it's it's very different expectations even have in

1301
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: say Iowa or Kansas, these renowned deer hunting places. Um,

1302
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: But for Michigan. From everything I've I know, and I've

1303
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time hunting a lot of places

1304
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: around here talking to a lot of people, Um, this

1305
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: is in one of the better areas we're hunting in

1306
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,799
Speaker 1: the state. Um, and had the pieces that had the swamp.

1307
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: It's got good neighbors. So I was like, this is

1308
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna be awesome. Yeah, it's pretty excited. Yeah, I was

1309
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: to just I'm not I don't live I mean, you

1310
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 1: live pretty close to where we sit right now. This

1311
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 1: is your country man, Like you know this place, this

1312
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:20,839
Speaker 1: is your game, right, that's wish you've kind of developed

1313
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: for your livelihood and your lifestyle and the way that

1314
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: you live and what you dedicate yourself too. So this

1315
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: is your thing. But for me, it was a chance

1316
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: to tell a story, right, to tell a story not

1317
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: only about this property, but about every small property like

1318
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: this one not only about uh land, but private land

1319
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: and how much private land there is, how much that

1320
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 1: private land means the conservation, how private land is important,

1321
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: if not more important in public lands, and how those

1322
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: two things can work together to do what we need

1323
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: them to do for for wildlife. And I know we've

1324
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: talked about this a bunch, but that's just a big

1325
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: part of the storyline. So when we were first starting

1326
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: all this, we're like, we got this brawl farm. We

1327
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 1: know we want to give it away. We know we

1328
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: want to bring people into hunt and tell the story

1329
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: of this place as we work on it. We know

1330
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: we want Captured to be a big part of that,

1331
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: and helped push that forward. And that gets us to

1332
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: August when we're like, Okay, well what are we gonna

1333
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: do now? We wanna And it'sn't it like for most

1334
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, most hunting TV that you watch,

1335
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 1: even hunting stuff on the Internet, most of it that's

1336
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: well produced or produced at at all at any level,

1337
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: is shot the year prior to the air, right, So

1338
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: it's the idea is we'll shoot at this fall at

1339
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: next fall on the outdoor channel of Sporceman channel or

1340
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: even stuff you see on the internet that's not vlog

1341
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: style format like those of Hushing and other folks like that.

1342
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: The production is not so ambitious to say like we're

1343
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna do it this year. Most of these things are

1344
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: done many months prior to when the air, so there's

1345
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: lots of time to put them together. We just sided

1346
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: that we still we wanted to try to meet the

1347
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: standard of what Steve had done and what media had

1348
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: done in some way while also delivering the content the

1349
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 1: same year that it that it happened. So tracking this

1350
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: thing not live, not really semi live, but within the

1351
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: context of the season in which it was happening, which

1352
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: can you can follow pretty damn close to live, because

1353
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 1: we're not telling this story just with the YouTube se

1354
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,719
Speaker 1: it's also being told on the wire done podcast pretty

1355
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: much weekly. It's on my social media accounts very much weekly,

1356
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: almost daily since August um. So for those that have

1357
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: expressed interest and want to follow on with what's going on,

1358
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: you can see what's happening right now, and then you

1359
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: get to hear about it a week later in the podcast,

1360
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: and you get to watch it two or three weeks later,

1361
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: So you really have a pretty cool way to experience

1362
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: this in different mediums, um And I think that's that's

1363
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: been fun for me to be able to share it

1364
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: in those different ways, and hopefully for the audience has

1365
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: been fun to engage with it in those ways. So

1366
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: all the times I've been here a couple of times out,

1367
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 1: I've had fun when I'm here too, um And we'll

1368
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: get to that, but we should get to the first shoot.

1369
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: When we had Jordan Hunter come out here, they were

1370
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: looking for hotels there where's the place where you know?

1371
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: We were in an undisclosed location in Michigan. It's a

1372
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: pretty rural and rural Michigan. Rural Michigan. There's some towns around,

1373
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: small stuff, small towns, but there's just not like there's

1374
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: not the Hilton anywhere near. There's no Marriotts, there's no Marriers.

1375
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: But what there is, what happens to be here is

1376
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: the days in. And if you've ever stated the days in,

1377
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: it's a lovely place. They're usually at least for me, like, Okay,

1378
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: I've pulled up a commercial about the days in. It's

1379
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: just gonna play that for everybody. Do you hear that? Oh? Yeah,

1380
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: who you don't know? Oh they got a pool? Oh,

1381
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: it's a child. We could, yeah, look at things, the lights,

1382
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 1: how family didners wherever we like delicious? Okay, it is

1383
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: sez the days sees the days, so I would love

1384
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: to stay at the place like this sounds lovely, it's lovely.

1385
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: It's uh they got pools, happy children. That one child

1386
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: looked like he didn't have a pink eye in either

1387
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: of his eyes. You look, now, Jordan's hunter decided, there's

1388
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: only in the proximity of the days in the days

1389
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: prior to their being a camper here, there was only

1390
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: a few spots to stay. Now, I luckily I found

1391
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: a place around here, uh close that had a little

1392
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: bit of rooms. But Jordan's tell us a little bit

1393
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 1: about your experience at the days in now. Disclaimer, days

1394
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: In is not a sponsor the program. I don't think

1395
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: they will be after we talk about this. It's gonna

1396
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: be after this, it's gonna be tough. Admittedly, admittedly it's

1397
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: gonna be difficult to reel them in, but we may

1398
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: be able to save it. But just Jordan tell us, yeah,

1399
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: give us a brief description of this in like marketing

1400
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: and you know that's sort of industry and what they

1401
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: do and all these companies that have people that do that.

1402
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: I think I take issue with that ad that you

1403
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 1: just played, because there's not not too much that happened

1404
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: to be true with our experience at this facility, and

1405
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: you just you were just trying to get a place

1406
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: that was relatively inexpensive, close to the back forty comfortable,

1407
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: had to bed in it, you could sprawl out your

1408
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: camera gear because you guys were doing shoots their last

1409
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: five six days, and there's multiple of them, so you're

1410
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: gonna be here forty fifty days throughout the fall. You'd

1411
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: like a nice place, clean up, take a shower. You

1412
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 1: don't need much. You guys are pretty simple. Expectations are

1413
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: low or fancy people. You don't need a maitre d

1414
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: or a valet or anything like that. You just need bed,

1415
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: a shower, and no chance of hepatitis. That's there's the kicker.

1416
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: That's that's it. That's it right there, because upon sliding

1417
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: the card, that side note had to be like remagnetized

1418
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: every day because I quit working. Okay, you're welcome to

1419
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: the days. It didn't take long for their and to

1420
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 1: take hold days in back fort you adjacent won't call it.

1421
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: They didn't care either, Like they didn't ask for an

1422
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: I d to give you a new card. They're like, oh,

1423
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 1: room one nineteen, here you go. That's the cool part

1424
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: about it. You know, you feel like getting into a

1425
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 1: new room. You could just pick a number and just

1426
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: go to the front desk and if you're gonna get

1427
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 1: probably two keys. Usually, it was described to the proprietor

1428
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: of this day's in she's a nice lady, nice lady. Um,

1429
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: maybe you know, i'd call her rough around the edges,

1430
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: probably caring, carrying, carrying, caring. Ah, I thought carrying a

1431
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 1: child or a gun. No, No, I mean, well you

1432
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: could have been carrying a child and God at the

1433
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: same time. No one would have known. So it's carrying individual.

1434
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: Nice person. Yeah, yeah, I mean her name is Kay.

1435
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: Her name was Kay Lady. She's not right, she's she's

1436
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 1: definitely a hunting collective. Listener was talking about me. There's

1437
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 1: no offense to me. I don't take issue with we like,

1438
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: Okay was not. She gave us room keys every day

1439
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: every day. Question describe describe the rooms. What did the

1440
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: rooms look like at the day? Son? Oh gosh, just

1441
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: imagine like a Friday night in your college dorm. Yeah,

1442
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 1: like that debauchery. I'd say it's more like the Saturday

1443
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: morning after that. Yeah, that's that probably that probably is

1444
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: there particular. I believe he told me there's like a

1445
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: door that didn't work. There was the various stains throughout that. Yeah.

1446
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: I mean if you've watched like Dateline or or whatever

1447
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: those like, it was perhaps filmed in this very location.

1448
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: There's there's an instance where our our door and mind you,

1449
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: like we're taking all of our production equipment back in

1450
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: there at night. So like lots of money, lots of

1451
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: money being locked up in this place every night, and

1452
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,560
Speaker 1: the door lock seemed to be held on by a

1453
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 1: piece of scrap would keeping it closed, keeping keeping you

1454
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: safe from the quarter inch gap between the frame of

1455
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,560
Speaker 1: the door and the door itself, which proved to be

1456
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,560
Speaker 1: handy because you could if people are walking by, you

1457
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: could see from the shadows slick security system. Nice. They

1458
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: could literally just like take one of their fingers, pop

1459
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: that off and they were in. I mean maybe a

1460
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: little bit more small than a finger, but they could.

1461
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: They could check in on us if they stuck their

1462
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: face to the door, if if they hear like distress

1463
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 1: coming from the room, they could easily get it to

1464
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: help you. Yeah, I think that's what happened in the past.

1465
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: It was kicked in at one out of that door

1466
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: being kicked in. Did you bring a black light? No good,

1467
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: you don't want that. I just you don't want that.

1468
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: You just ignorance is bliss? Yeah? Did you sleep in

1469
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: in the bed or in a sleeping bag on top

1470
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 1: of the sheets. Now we committed, we committed to the shop.

1471
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: Do you get rid of you know, the top comforter?

1472
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: Oh that's gone, that's on the floor. Did you check

1473
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: for bedbugs in under the in the mattress? I did

1474
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: give it a once. Actually, yeah, so there was there

1475
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: was a time there was some mysterious hair within oh gosh,

1476
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: within the sheets. I met the bullet on that one.

1477
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: And then there was more hair too that was coming

1478
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 1: up the bathroom drain. Oh yeah. And then if you

1479
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: looked and the ceiling of the bathtub, there's also hair

1480
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 1: accurate yeah, uh huh, hair everywhere. Yeah. Well, so other

1481
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 1: than the human hair the lack of security, were there

1482
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,799
Speaker 1: any other will say, maybe people there that were interesting

1483
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 1: sides Ka there was a picnic table off the back door.

1484
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:20,799
Speaker 1: That's nice that they have a picnic table for families.

1485
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: The back door that was always propped open with the rock.

1486
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: That's fine. That rock here needs to be used for

1487
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: something that and this this picnic table is probably there for.

1488
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: What we heard about in the commercial was the families

1489
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: that we're looking forward to the new day. More like

1490
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: single dudes smoking darts and uh having a beer. Yeah, yeah,

1491
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: single dudes. There's yeah. There's an individual. We named him

1492
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 1: Scannered based on only his appearance. Appearances, he could have

1493
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: been a great guy. His perm mullet was fabulous. The

1494
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: only thing this one was like an I roxy parked

1495
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 1: in the parking spot that needs to totally do the

1496
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,560
Speaker 1: permed mullet. He thinks, what's the guy? I'm blanking on

1497
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: the guy's name right now? He did Danny McBride. No, yes,

1498
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: Danny McBride. You could totally look like Danny McBride. He

1499
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: had the perm mullet. Dude, I would if I got

1500
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: girl mullet. If I let it go, I get a

1501
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: natural rat tail. Yes, all I have to do is perm.

1502
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what that takes anymore. Have to track

1503
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: back season two of Back forty. Don't have to be there,

1504
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: just sidle up, on the picking table next to next

1505
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: to Skinner. He'll he'll be like like he past that dart.

1506
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: Let me pol you don't have to have a two

1507
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 1: Leader of PEPSI DoD you. Wasn't that what it was?

1508
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about the lady sitting on the pick

1509
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: a table drinking the two Leader cola. This wasn't just

1510
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: one morning and the morning, but this was we were

1511
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: more here for ten days. Shoot, did she drink the

1512
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: same Leader of cola full every morning? Full every morning,

1513
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: every single morning? Can you imagine? Hydration is key? I

1514
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: mean right, so is the beat ist the diabetes? Yes, Wow,

1515
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't die either. And she was just pulling

1516
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: on that thing in the plastic Leader bottle. For her,

1517
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: it was like smoking SIGs at bay. It's a six

1518
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: smoking table. That's what they had it there for. And

1519
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: then these people are staying at the days in Are

1520
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 1: they just hanging out at the table? I mean there,

1521
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, not to stereotype of crowd that stays

1522
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: at that day same but they definitely spit the mold

1523
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: there just like you like, all right, well we want

1524
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure we covered that shout out

1525
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 1: the days in if you would like the sponsor the program. Um,

1526
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: we need to get we need some comped uh, we

1527
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 1: need some coupons for the days in Back forty adjacent.

1528
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a problem because I think we

1529
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: stayed here for We stayed here for ten days and

1530
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: the total was like less than your room for two

1531
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 1: nights that you never did come to the buffet O

1532
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: thank you well. Shout out to to that day's in

1533
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: Back forty adjacent. We'll call it um. It really added

1534
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: to the experience I felt the first time I came,

1535
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: you guys were like, yeah, we're staying in the fifth circle. Hell,

1536
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: two more circles to go. I'm glad, glad we did it.

1537
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: You guys didn't have any You didn't get any rashes,

1538
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: no bug bites, not from the days in. We did

1539
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: bring uger bites back from the Back forty went to

1540
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 1: the days in. We're getting to that now. This is

1541
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 1: where it becomes a nightmare for everybody. Now when I

1542
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,560
Speaker 1: say the Back forty is a mean mother, I'm not.

1543
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm not. I think all of Michigan is a mean mother.

1544
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 1: In August. I mean, it is like walking into a

1545
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: microwave is different than Montana. That's Montana's crisp air. And

1546
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,560
Speaker 1: you come here and it's like walking into just the

1547
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: inside of someone's sweatpants after a marathon, very sticky, sticky,

1548
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:59,560
Speaker 1: just like you're just sticking to everything. And here we

1549
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: are hustling to make a program about this property. We

1550
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: are stuck with like no time, the worst weather ever

1551
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: and uh tall, task ahead. Take it from there, Mark

1552
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: what happened? Well? I think the first step was that

1553
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 1: even before we could do work on the property, and

1554
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 1: we had so much stuff that I had envisioned doing,

1555
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: before we could do any of that, we also wanted

1556
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: to bring a whole slate of different people out to

1557
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: offer perspectives and ideas first, and so that was a

1558
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: whole thing, trying to find people, schedule people, get people

1559
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: to come on out that would match up with when

1560
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: we could film it and everything. So we eventually we're

1561
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 1: able to get a slate of folks to come out,

1562
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: and we'd spent a whole bunch of days showing them around,

1563
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: getting their thoughts on the property, talking through ideas, etcetera, etcetera.

1564
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 1: So we had a couple of different folks from the

1565
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: Natural Resources Conservation Service come out, one of those being um,

1566
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: the state biologists for Michigan for the NRCS. Here he

1567
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 1: came and provided an ecologist perspective of dan Z. Danny's a. Now,

1568
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: dan Z looked like looks like an ecologist. Yes, he

1569
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 1: had the vest. He had a vest. He was wearing

1570
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:16,719
Speaker 1: like a khaki vest, like a mesh backing. He looked

1571
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: very much like an ecologist, had the feeling of an ecologist.

1572
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 1: It was perfect. He got excited about some prairie remnants

1573
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: that were on the property, um, which again is very

1574
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: a very ecologist type of thing to do. He's all

1575
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 1: about the plants. Um. So yeah, we had we had

1576
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 1: in the colleges out there, we had a burder come out.

1577
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: His name was I forget Pat Hogan, Pat Hogan. He

1578
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,680
Speaker 1: was cool though. Man, he had like a beard and

1579
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 1: uh you know, had like a high top fade. Man.

1580
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 1: They were like picking off bird and he was from

1581
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: like Birds and Blooms. I remember thinking, we're making a

1582
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: hunting show and we got a guy from Birds and

1583
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 1: Blooms looking at blue jays. Where this is going to

1584
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: be a failure. No hunter is ever gonna want to

1585
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: watch this content at all. But luck it was interesting.

1586
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: It was interesting, very interesting. And that's what like I

1587
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: found from those first episodes. And of course, uh, speak up,

1588
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: Mark if I'm going off track, is that there there's

1589
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 1: interesting elements to the outdoors. And my dad taught me

1590
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: this growing up. My dad can pick a bird off

1591
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: and tell you exactly what it is by sight, by

1592
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 1: like any anything he hears or sees, he can tell

1593
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: you can tell you what kind of tree that you're

1594
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 1: standing under. So my dad kind of taught me this.

1595
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: And and Mediator is about this. But like the knowledge

1596
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: of the place, right that the empowerment of knowing what

1597
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: what the mass crops are, what the cover is, what

1598
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: the trees are, what birds are here, what bees are here,

1599
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: what pollinators here? And on and on. But I don't

1600
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: think I haven't seen I'm not I'm not tooting our

1601
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: own horn here, but you just don't really see that

1602
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: in our space. And an episodic, you know, show like this,

1603
01:31:58,280 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: we'll call it, we can call a TV show because

1604
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: this show. Yeah, UM, so that that I was worried

1605
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: about that. I'm like, how are we going to make

1606
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,759
Speaker 1: this exciting? Um? But I think in and of itself

1607
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. And and I It was a great

1608
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 1: impetus for me to dive into that stuff because I

1609
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: I love to learn, like I'm a book nerd, I

1610
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: read voraciously. I just love learning new things. And I've

1611
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: spent a whole lot of time when it comes to

1612
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: the hunting side of things, really really learning a lot um.

1613
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: But admittedly I have not been good at being able

1614
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: to identify birds or identify plants. Unless I knew a

1615
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 1: deer aid it or something like that, I wasn't paying attention. Um.

1616
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,759
Speaker 1: So this is a great push for me to open

1617
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: my eyes to some new things. Not all hunters have

1618
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 1: developed a myopic view of the pursuit, but a lot

1619
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: have right and that's only natural right. But this isn't

1620
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: a thing we would force upon anybody. We hoped it

1621
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: would be interesting. We had hopes that people would take

1622
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: it on as a very interesting way to look at

1623
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: the world. But there is this derivative of hunting that's

1624
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: that you're a part of, that's like q d M

1625
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: A big Bucks. This is what we're after and it

1626
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: can be not always, not always, but it can be

1627
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 1: all encompassing in a way that you kind of put

1628
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: blinders onto some things that are around. Um. And I

1629
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: think this show is is definitely not done that, but

1630
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: but taught me a lot about how to think about it,

1631
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: how to think about managing a property, you know, for

1632
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 1: white tails. Because we learned from our our buddy from

1633
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,680
Speaker 1: UC Berkeley, Luke McCauley, that there are three fifty six

1634
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: million acres of land owner at least for hunting in

1635
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: the US, that the contiguous land area in the US combined.

1636
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 1: It is, that's a pretty large piece of this country

1637
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 1: that's all kind of being managed for hunting, which has

1638
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: a certain set of values, a certain set of principles,

1639
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 1: conservation being one of them obviously, But um, what's often

1640
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 1: missing from that is is biodiversity as a key component

1641
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: of it, at least outwardly. So yeah, and so what

1642
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: we did is we brought in a bunch of different

1643
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 1: diverse perspectives to help us do them. So we had

1644
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 1: the NRCS guys come in. We had a birder come in.

1645
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 1: We had a gentleman who focuses on bees. We talked

1646
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 1: about pollinators and pollinator habitat. We had um and then

1647
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: we had people that are focused on deer. We had

1648
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,600
Speaker 1: two different deer focused habitat folks come out. So we

1649
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 1: got a deer hunting focus, we got an ecologist perspective,

1650
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 1: birds bees, all that and all that helped inform then okay,

1651
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 1: where is this thing going to go? Steve came out

1652
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: and took a look and share with it. We'll share

1653
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 1: with this what he thought. So we got all these

1654
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: different ideas and by this time it's not middle of

1655
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: August and I've got two weeks left before what's usually

1656
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 1: my line in the sand date August. I never stepped

1657
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: foot in the deer Woods again until October one, which

1658
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 1: is the opening day and the minimum thirty days to

1659
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: let a property sit. Yeah, now Jordan and a hunter

1660
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: like you guys were filming all this. Like the first

1661
01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: couple episodes, it was a lot of just walking around

1662
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 1: the operating and looking at stuff, which is generally not

1663
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: how people like to create content around. They like action

1664
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 1: and things. Are you guys ever worried about like what

1665
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: what's this going to be? I mean definitely at first.

1666
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: But the thing that got me is, even though I

1667
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 1: was behind the scenes and filming the whole thing is

1668
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: there was more than once where I just kind of

1669
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 1: would step back after, you know, like when Jake ealing

1670
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 1: I was here, for instance, like I love deer hunting,

1671
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: and I was super interested in what he had to say.

1672
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:26,680
Speaker 1: And there was more than one time that day where

1673
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 1: I just kind of like sat back and like, Okay,

1674
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 1: first of all, make sure you're still recording, the frame

1675
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: is still on. But also, man, what he just said is,

1676
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, that's a really cool take, and and that's

1677
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: kind of when I knew, like, Okay, I'm very interested

1678
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: in this and I'm the one filming it, so I

1679
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,560
Speaker 1: think that should translate to you know, the viewers. And

1680
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 1: I think the biggest shame is that we had all

1681
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 1: these great tours of these folks and got all their ideas,

1682
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 1: and they saw all the properties, and we had to

1683
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: distill all that down hours of these people looking at

1684
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: the property and sharing their ideas, and we had to

1685
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 1: distill down to three minutes per person or something like that.

1686
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: Like we only at the time, like you watching these

1687
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: episodes got the tiniest little snippet of what's out there.

1688
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 1: And when we're trying to get some podcasts with some

1689
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: of these people, we've already had some um trying to

1690
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: provide some deeper dives into some of the there's extended

1691
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: cuts of the pollen air discussion that's on the Mediator website. Um,

1692
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: things like that, but amazing, amazing insights. So we got

1693
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 1: from these guests and you often find that, you know,

1694
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 1: with a burder or an apiarist or whatever the case.

1695
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 1: My fancy name for beekeeper. Um what Yeah, I've learned

1696
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: a lot. I learned a lot of those words too.

1697
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,560
Speaker 1: I learned this. We're another word called verite. You know

1698
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 1: it's a very days Hey, I love one of my favorites.

1699
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: You guys will look that up and figure out that is. Um.

1700
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 1: But we're learning things right. So so when we were

1701
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 1: creating this content or are working on the back ford,

1702
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 1: I mean, this is also real world work. We're not

1703
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 1: just autu to create content. We gotta do the work

1704
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 1: right to make this thing what it needs to be.

1705
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: We're learning along the way. That's why the it's presented

1706
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: the way it is. We're bringing a bunch of people

1707
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: into help teach us these things that we don't necessarily

1708
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 1: mark me, Steve, we don't necessarily have experience in you.

1709
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: Not to mention too that there's not really any other

1710
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 1: examples of shows like this to even reference from. It's

1711
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 1: completely different than anything that's been done. So yeah, that's

1712
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,959
Speaker 1: the big challenge. And then and then in the timeline

1713
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,759
Speaker 1: we get to the actual work and on the property. Finally,

1714
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: it felt felt like there was a long times and

1715
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: Mark you can take us through how that got go

1716
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: on us there? Do you had a little challenges here?

1717
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 1: There a little things happen. Yeah. I mean the short

1718
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 1: version of it is that by the time the middle

1719
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: of August arrived, we had, you know, eight nine days

1720
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: of the camera crew left to try to get something done.

1721
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: And so I wanted to say, Okay, what's like the

1722
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: most impactful short term thing we can do to try

1723
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 1: to make this farm huntable Because at this point of

1724
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 1: the seven thousand different ideas we got from all these

1725
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: different experts, most of these things we can't do yet.

1726
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: Most of these things have to wait till the winter

1727
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 1: or the following spring. But is there anything we can

1728
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: do right now that at least might help us with

1729
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: the short term hunting side, and maybe we'll help in

1730
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 1: the long term as we refine them. So we had

1731
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,560
Speaker 1: to try to look at what that might be, and

1732
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 1: of course we then also had to prepare the property

1733
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 1: to hunt it, which is what we were doing coming

1734
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 1: up in a month. So we had all the trees

1735
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 1: and tree stands to prep and spots to hang with

1736
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: the saddle way to put cameras up. We had clear trails,

1737
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: we had to scout the property and put ground linds up.

1738
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 1: And then the one short term thing that seemed to

1739
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 1: be possible in the small amount of time we had

1740
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 1: was to get some food plots in. Any hunter deer

1741
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 1: hunter knows the importance of food. It's it's one of

1742
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 1: those main drivers of deer activity. So if we could

1743
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:39,640
Speaker 1: get some food on this farm, which right now it

1744
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: did not have any kind of super duper high quality food.

1745
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: There's of course native vegetation the deer feeding on them,

1746
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 1: but surrounded by agricultural crops, and so if we want

1747
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: a deer to spend some extra time on our farm,

1748
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: we would need to be able to compete with that

1749
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I thought, okay, we can get

1750
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of food plots in. That's gonna help

1751
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 1: us in the short term. To do that, though, you

1752
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:02,839
Speaker 1: need equipment, you need all sorts of things within that equipment.

1753
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 1: You bought the mower at more. Yes, that's where this

1754
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: music comes in. Where you're trying to get gas trying

1755
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 1: to pull the mower. What happened? Tell us what happened.

1756
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 1: So what happened is that the one, one big piece

1757
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: of equipment we picked up was a big trail mower

1758
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 1: that we could pull behind our UTV, because, as we

1759
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 1: noted earlier, this property is comprised of a lot of

1760
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 1: old brushy fields, and so if we want to do anything,

1761
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 1: whether it be make trails or put in some kind

1762
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 1: of food or whatever, we need to cut that somehow. Um.

1763
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: At one point it contemplated taking my John Deere lawnmower

1764
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:44,680
Speaker 1: over here and tried it behind my house in some

1765
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: similar stuff and got stuck and had had my wife

1766
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 1: come out with my son, and she had to sit

1767
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: in the front and try to drive it while I

1768
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 1: was trying to push it out of the mud. And

1769
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, this isn't gonna work. Um, So

1770
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 1: fast forward. We get this mower, I get it a

1771
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: pick it up at the store. They drop it on

1772
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 1: our trailer with a skid steer or whatever forklift, And

1773
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: when I go to arrive and pick it up, I went, wow,

1774
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:08,680
Speaker 1: this is a lot bigger than I thought it's gonna be.

1775
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 1: How am I going to get this off the trailer.

1776
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 1: There's no way we're picking this thing up. So the

1777
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 1: forklift drops on the trailer. I bring it over. We

1778
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 1: get here and the dilemma unfolds. First, how do we

1779
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: get the mower off the trailer? Watching the I'm watching

1780
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 1: the show and can talk, so we had struggles. I

1781
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 1: eventually found I could use the winch on the UTV

1782
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: to pull it off of the trailer. It was enclosed

1783
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: in this big wooden palette box that I had to

1784
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: then try to break apart. I had no good tools,

1785
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: so I had like had a miniature tool set in

1786
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 1: the back of my truck with like a baby hammer,

1787
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 1: and so I'm trying to like wrench it off with

1788
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,759
Speaker 1: a hammer, and that didn't work at all. We finally

1789
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:46,560
Speaker 1: got that to break off. I think we did that

1790
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 1: by using the winch again to break the palette stuff apart,

1791
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: and then the mow were sitting there beneath me, and

1792
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not good with mechanical things, and mind you.

1793
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 1: Up to this point, there are three of us behind

1794
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: the scenes. It's watching me, myself hunter, and then Sam

1795
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 1: the producer, just watching him, offering no assistance. Struggle unfold

1796
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 1: in front of us, and so I hate this stuff.

1797
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 1: Like I'm really good at talking and ideas and reading

1798
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 1: and concepts and stuff like that. I am not good

1799
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: at tools. I'm not good at building things. My mind's

1800
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 1: not I don't have good spatial awareness. I can't do legos.

1801
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: I can't Like that's just not how my main legos

1802
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 1: or whatever your house to build that all that stuff

1803
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: just is not my thing. Letting falcon I got so

1804
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,440
Speaker 1: like when we get something, let's say we buy a bookshelf,

1805
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: my wife is the one who goes through and like

1806
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 1: figures out how to put together, and she's like, okay,

1807
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: just hammer that. Okay, now do that. Like I'll get

1808
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 1: so frustrated trying to figure it all out. So then

1809
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:47,280
Speaker 1: this goes to a point where that I made earlier,

1810
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 1: this whole back forward the experiment. It's just kind of

1811
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:52,640
Speaker 1: like putting Mark in a maze like a rat with

1812
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 1: cheese at the end, and then we introduce a lot

1813
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 1: of different stimuli throughout and just see what happens. Yeah,

1814
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 1: this is my ever seen throughout the whole show. Yeah,

1815
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 1: so you know I struggled to put the thing together.

1816
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of channels trying to put it together

1817
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 1: and finally got that done though, and then it was okay,

1818
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 1: I think it's together. Now we just need to start it.

1819
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 1: That can't be that hard. So pull the choke out,

1820
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 1: remember to put gas in it, and then started to

1821
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 1: pull on the whatever the hell you call it, and

1822
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 1: it wouldn't start. I pull, it wouldn't start. Pull it

1823
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't start. Pull it wouldn't start. I'm like, what am

1824
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: I doing wrong? Is there jokes? Good? Is there? Do

1825
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 1: I need to press one of those little air bubbles

1826
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: to work gas? Little line? No, I can't find anything

1827
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:37,560
Speaker 1: like that. We've got a very simple single page instruction

1828
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 1: book or instruction sheet. In the thing I'm reading that,

1829
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't see anything that I'm doing wrong. Fast forward

1830
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 1: over the course of I don't know what it was,

1831
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 1: an hour or two hours. Um, we could not get

1832
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: the more to start. Do you remember this sound? That

1833
01:42:53,320 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 1: would be the pole count up to eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

1834
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 1: And there were so many more. Yeah, that's seventeen. I'm

1835
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 1: really like admires eighteen nineteen twenty. That's probably about a

1836
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 1: half dozen clips like that. Did you flood it? Like? No, No,

1837
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 1: it was nothing like that. Um, nothing would work this.

1838
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 1: So then at some point I'm like, okay, it's a wait.

1839
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 1: At some point during this, our camera crew figures out

1840
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 1: what's wrong. Yes, so well you're you're just skipping a

1841
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 1: important At one point I realized, okay, screw the fourth

1842
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: wall or fifth wall, or over the freak that is,

1843
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 1: I need to talk to my camera crew and get

1844
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:40,600
Speaker 1: their help. Because Hunter, one of these guys, was like

1845
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 1: a small engine mechanic of sorts, did a lot of

1846
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 1: stuff within that Relso I said, Hunter, I don't know

1847
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here. You need to

1848
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: help me. So he comes and starts fiddling, and he

1849
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: knows this stuff, and he starts checking spark plugs and

1850
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:53,799
Speaker 1: checking gas lines and popping gas lines off and sucking

1851
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 1: fuel through the line and all these things, and nothing works.

1852
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: He takes it all part, finds the flywheels, sees that

1853
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of ust in the flywheel, We

1854
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 1: clean the flywheel, all these things. At one point, how

1855
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 1: to screw driver in the spark plug. We figured out

1856
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 1: there was no spark. So all this stuff happens and

1857
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on. I am stressed out.

1858
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else can we call Hunter's

1859
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:20,800
Speaker 1: calling his dad. I'm wondering, like, I gotta I got

1860
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,839
Speaker 1: a brother in law who's used to be a mechanic,

1861
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: maybe he's got to come over here. And very stressed

1862
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 1: and upset. And this is pretty far into it. And

1863
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: if we don't get this damn more to work, we

1864
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 1: can't get any of the projects that we need to

1865
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: get done. And we've got three days to get this

1866
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 1: part of the stuff done. Um. So I'm stressed, frustrated, frazzled.

1867
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:41,719
Speaker 1: And then a guy shows up, pulls on the driveway.

1868
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,560
Speaker 1: I start chatting with him. While I'm chatting with this

1869
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 1: guy in the parking lot, were in the driveway. Uh, Jordan,

1870
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: do you want to describe what happened next? So we

1871
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: were to describe the scene more Hunter at this point,

1872
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:58,800
Speaker 1: how the motor pretty well disassembled and torn apart, and

1873
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 1: he was adjusting something. And I'm the same as Mark,

1874
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 1: I've got no intuition when it comes to you, like

1875
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 1: engines or anything that I'm just not from my head,

1876
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: and the ring as me too. Yeah, yeah, it's just

1877
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:13,760
Speaker 1: not good. So Sam, Sam, the producer, and I were

1878
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 1: leaning up in the against the bed of the side

1879
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: by side and in the bed of the side by

1880
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 1: side was the I don't know what you'd call it,

1881
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: like the the engage lever for the MORE. It's on

1882
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 1: a chord probably what ten ft long something like that

1883
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 1: that you know, he's sitting the back of the side

1884
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:32,040
Speaker 1: by side so you can engage and disengage the MORE.

1885
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:35,639
Speaker 1: And it was just sitting there and I looked down

1886
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: and Marcus talking to the guy that had showed shown

1887
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 1: up there, and it's like, man, that almost looks like

1888
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 1: an ignition switch for a key. And then the light

1889
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 1: bulblent on somewhere along the process. And we had even

1890
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 1: looked for like some kind of ignition on the more buttons.

1891
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 1: They're switches or something red the instruction, instruction, instruction, And

1892
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 1: it all came down to you putting a key in

1893
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 1: that little switch and twisting it sideways. So well, Mark

1894
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 1: was finishing up this conversation we called Hunter over. The

1895
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: light bulb went off in his head. He went and

1896
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,560
Speaker 1: got the key, put the key in and flipped it

1897
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 1: and we got ready to film again. We're like Mark,

1898
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 1: if we feel like Hunters pretty confident this is we

1899
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:19,519
Speaker 1: think we think he got it. So he put the

1900
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 1: cat back on the moor and he's like, yeah, I think.

1901
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 1: I think what I did we will work, hopefully, And

1902
01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 1: so the guy leaves. I'm like, okay, God, damn it.

1903
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 1: If this doesn't work, I don't know what we're gonna do. Literally,

1904
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 1: we are shipped out of luck. If this doesn't work,

1905
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm done. We'll try one more time. So I stand

1906
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: over it and I take a deep breath and then

1907
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 1: in my head like sweet baby Jesus, please work, and

1908
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 1: I crank that cord and the sucker ran like a

1909
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 1: charm and I lost my ship. I was very, very excited.

1910
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: The reaction that was shown in the episode was the

1911
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 1: happiest human being. Yeah, it's it's it was, it was.

1912
01:46:54,920 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful time. It's very excited Chris Mark. Yeah.

1913
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 1: And then he just jumps in the cannon and takes

1914
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 1: off and we're just like, I guess we'll meet you

1915
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:18,760
Speaker 1: down there to work well, Mark, Yeah, but we did

1916
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 1: not tell him about the key, right, Yeah, that's the

1917
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 1: other things. They didn't tell me why it worked. I

1918
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: just thought that Hunter had fixed it somehow. And then

1919
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 1: Hunter was telling me today in the tree stand that

1920
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 1: you were nervous about it's shutting off so you would

1921
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 1: just keep the mower on. Well, it never I didn't

1922
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 1: know how to turn off. I don't know I didn't

1923
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 1: know how. I don't know how it turned on, So

1924
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 1: how would I know it turned her off? So another

1925
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: guy shows up the property I'm mowing, and then another

1926
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 1: guy shows up and I go to talk to him,

1927
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how do I turn this mower off?

1928
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 1: And then it dawns and me like, oh, I don't

1929
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 1: know how. So I just like dialed it down and

1930
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:52,840
Speaker 1: went over walked and talked to him while the mower

1931
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:55,600
Speaker 1: still kind of running. And I don't want to I

1932
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 1: don't want to sit there like show him that I

1933
01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing. So then I come back

1934
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 1: to it. And then did you guys tell me at

1935
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 1: that point I kept his secrets. The only one he

1936
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: turned off is I would run until it ran out

1937
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 1: of gas. You probably got it started around like noon

1938
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,240
Speaker 1: or something like that, and it was it had to

1939
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 1: been after six by the time that we were like wrapped,

1940
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 1: and that whole time you just I still have no idea,

1941
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 1: And then you told me he come over to talk

1942
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 1: to us, and he just idled it down. Man, We

1943
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 1: got their action on camera, which is pretty good. Was good.

1944
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 1: It was a good part Episode two. And then and

1945
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 1: then really like briefly after all that commotion, I show up.

1946
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:36,200
Speaker 1: We got a hank, some tree stands and do some

1947
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:40,040
Speaker 1: ground blind stuff, some basic hunting prop. And I show

1948
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:43,919
Speaker 1: up and it's boy, it's a hundred and fifteen degrees

1949
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 1: with a humidity something like that. You step literally step

1950
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 1: out of the vehicle and you start sweating. Is there's

1951
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 1: it's involuntary at this point. And I come to find

1952
01:48:55,760 --> 01:49:00,520
Speaker 1: out that everybody is covering chicker bites, everybody's covered in garbytes,

1953
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: everybody's pulling ticks off themselves. There's just it's an air

1954
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 1: of desperation on the back. Stuff that can get you. Yeah,

1955
01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 1: And then I come and start sweating, and then realized

1956
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:14,600
Speaker 1: that there are things that are out to get me,

1957
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:18,719
Speaker 1: including bees. I got. We were we didn't have the tools.

1958
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:21,720
Speaker 1: As Doug durn Well here in a future episode he

1959
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:23,559
Speaker 1: says that we have what do you say? He said,

1960
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 1: you don't have equipment, you have toys. We have toys.

1961
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,280
Speaker 1: That's how he described the toys whacking. I was had

1962
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:33,680
Speaker 1: a sickle and I was like whacking trails, sweating, and

1963
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:40,599
Speaker 1: I whacked myself right into a bee hive, a little whacking. Yeah,

1964
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:47,040
Speaker 1: I whacked off. I'll take you there, I'll take you there.

1965
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 1: So I got stung by bees. We sweated it out,

1966
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 1: but we did get a lot done. We hang tree stands,

1967
01:49:53,560 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 1: hung ground binds, plepped ground blinds, prepped everything, so food

1968
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 1: plots you got in there in that very short time

1969
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 1: we filmed it all. We like pulled the rabbit out

1970
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 1: of the hat somehow got this place semi prepared for

1971
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: the hunting season to come. Would definitely say semi. Even

1972
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 1: when it was done, I still felt like, oh, there's

1973
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 1: so many things we could have done, we couldn't do.

1974
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: But we did learn a lot about the property. We

1975
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:23,200
Speaker 1: learned about what we could do, and then got as

1976
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 1: much done as we could before Mark as his his

1977
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 1: tradition in Michigan to leave a property rest for about

1978
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 1: thirty days prior to the October one opening this year,

1979
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 1: which is about a month ago. I had to show

1980
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,719
Speaker 1: you how it's how how quick we turned this stuff around,

1981
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 1: um and on. Before the opener, Steve had said this

1982
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 1: a bunch and I'm looking at a pine squirrel. Pine

1983
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 1: squirrel out the window right now now that's out of

1984
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:51,840
Speaker 1: the road. Steven talked about hunting the squirrel opener a

1985
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 1: bunch when he was here. He had talked to me

1986
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:55,639
Speaker 1: about it. He very much wanted to film a show

1987
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:59,560
Speaker 1: around squirrel hunting. And from the very beginning, you said no,

1988
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,160
Speaker 1: I can't do it. Well, it didn't say no, I said, Look,

1989
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 1: I told me like, uh no, I said, I know

1990
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 1: this isn't my decision to make, but I strongly would

1991
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 1: suggest we consider the implications of that because and no

1992
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:20,479
Speaker 1: one still knowing takes me seriously on this, but everyone

1993
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 1: still thinks them full of ship. Unless you are a

1994
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 1: serious deer hunter in an area of high hunting pressure,

1995
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:29,519
Speaker 1: then you get it six d and fifteen thousand deer hunters,

1996
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 1: and most of that, the vast majority of that is

1997
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 1: crammed at the bottom third of the state. That bottom

1998
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:39,680
Speaker 1: third of the state is smaller, probably definitely smaller than

1999
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 1: the state of Iowa. But that whole state of Iowa

2000
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:46,719
Speaker 1: has sixty So you can compare, like IWA's a hunting

2001
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 1: mecca compared to what we're dealing with here in Michigan.

2002
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 1: So the the big picture here is that there aren't

2003
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 1: a lot of mature bucks here and the deer that

2004
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:58,559
Speaker 1: are here are super savvy, super uh. They're on pins

2005
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:01,240
Speaker 1: and needles. The hardest place I've ever hunted when it

2006
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 1: comes to any on a lot of white tails stays.

2007
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:05,640
Speaker 1: No state is more difficult than here. So but that

2008
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:07,680
Speaker 1: being the case, the one way to get around that

2009
01:52:07,880 --> 01:52:12,360
Speaker 1: is to try to approach your hunting wherever you're hunting

2010
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 1: in a way that you do everything you possibly can

2011
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 1: to keep those deer from knowing that there's human hunters around.

2012
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 1: So that is the filter that every decision I make

2013
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:22,720
Speaker 1: passes through when it comes to how I approach a

2014
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 1: property in Michigan. So going in there two weeks before

2015
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:29,800
Speaker 1: opening day and walking over the property, it seemed like

2016
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:32,599
Speaker 1: a really good way to put every possible deer on alert,

2017
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 1: especially the mature buck that you're hoping is out there.

2018
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:39,760
Speaker 1: Very rarely have I found a property with more than

2019
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, one mature buck in Michigan that you might

2020
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 1: be a hunt. And to this point, you put out

2021
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of traild cameras. We we did not say

2022
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:48,840
Speaker 1: like during that we hud a bunch of trail cameras,

2023
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 1: made some mock scrapes, all the all the things that

2024
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 1: you generally do to deer season, but there wasn't like,

2025
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, mid September, we're like, hey, we got seven

2026
01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 1: or eight really nice box walking around that not a

2027
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,560
Speaker 1: single one. It's not a single buck some doze and

2028
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 1: that's about it. Like year and a half old bucks

2029
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 1: and dozes all we got on trail camera, which is like,

2030
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna, oh, we've you know, bought this property. We

2031
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,599
Speaker 1: sink all our time, our whole fall into this, We're

2032
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:14,680
Speaker 1: gonna think about this all fall in the next fall too.

2033
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 1: We're gonna give it away. We're gonna give a hunt away.

2034
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, this is not good.

2035
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah and so and so I just said, hey, we

2036
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 1: can do whatever you guys want, but just know that's

2037
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 1: not going to help our deer hunting efforts. Like it

2038
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:29,760
Speaker 1: might not be the underworld might be fine, but at

2039
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 1: the same time, it's it's definitely not helping, I'll tell

2040
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 1: you that much. And if that one mature buck that

2041
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:35,680
Speaker 1: we're after happens to be in the area when we

2042
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: walk all over and leave sent everywhere, that's probably gonna

2043
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 1: impact his daylight movement. That's probably gonna impact our chances

2044
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: at least early um and again guarantee. But these are

2045
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:47,600
Speaker 1: the things I was concerned about. And we'll let you

2046
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:50,559
Speaker 1: watch the episode you've watched already because we've paused twice,

2047
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 1: forced to do that pause again. Okay, we're back. Um,

2048
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:59,720
Speaker 1: how about that more Yeah, that more pools. I mean,

2049
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:04,080
Speaker 1: I was impressed by your persistence, your strength, I mean,

2050
01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 1: it's it's strength was key like a man's man at

2051
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 1: that point. I hear that a lot. And so the

2052
01:54:09,400 --> 01:54:11,680
Speaker 1: episode three of the show, which you've already watched at

2053
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 1: least three times by now, um, is the Squirrel Hunt

2054
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:19,559
Speaker 1: or Steve Comes Stephen Yanni come to Hunt. Opening day.

2055
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:21,120
Speaker 1: You can watch the show to see what happened. It's

2056
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 1: pretty true to life, is exactly what happened here. But

2057
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: they didn't really find any squirrels on the property either,

2058
01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 1: other than a few pine squirrels here and there. Um.

2059
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 1: And so at the end of that day, we did

2060
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 1: not a lot of pressure on the farm. Nothing really

2061
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:38,520
Speaker 1: um crazy occurred. But also we're getting to the point

2062
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,800
Speaker 1: where we're looking for animals. They had a way to

2063
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 1: bird survey. Of course there's lots of birds, but that's

2064
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:47,880
Speaker 1: not surprising. UM saw some turkeys. Um, what even like

2065
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:50,040
Speaker 1: a what else did you find, like a badger or

2066
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 1: some kind of wood chuck? Was us thinking of, we've

2067
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 1: got woodchuck, A lot of a lot of animals hanging around,

2068
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 1: But that's not necessarily the kind of animals that we

2069
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 1: like to eat um in the fall. So I couldn't

2070
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,200
Speaker 1: find a squirrel. Don't have a picture of a deer.

2071
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 1: Mature mature deer, yeah, dear, but not the kind of

2072
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 1: deer that we would target in a place like this.

2073
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 1: And so things are kind of looking interesting we're looking

2074
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 1: for We're like, did we buy a dud of a

2075
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 1: property that no matter what we do to it, we're

2076
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 1: not going to have what we want to have? Or

2077
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:31,400
Speaker 1: are we just in for a longer road that we thought? Yeah?

2078
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 1: And I always kept going back to I just I

2079
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:36,400
Speaker 1: know it's got a pretty It's just it's surrounded by

2080
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 1: too many good things. It has the potential that's it's

2081
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:43,800
Speaker 1: got something's gotta show up eventually. I just didn't know when,

2082
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:46,360
Speaker 1: or to what degree or what a mom but something

2083
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 1: would show I just every time we checked cameras or

2084
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,280
Speaker 1: would sit out here and Scott we sat a decent

2085
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 1: number of nights. Those nights we were working me and

2086
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Jordan would come out and sit in the tree and

2087
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:56,480
Speaker 1: watch the fields in the summer to try to get

2088
01:55:56,520 --> 01:56:00,720
Speaker 1: eyes on stuff and kept on being like repeatedly from

2089
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 1: August all the way through November. My main reaction was

2090
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't get it, Like, there should be more. This

2091
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:08,440
Speaker 1: looks too good. Why aren't we seeing more, dear, why

2092
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 1: aren't we seeing bucks? What? I've spent a lot of

2093
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 1: time and a lot of properties in a lot of places,

2094
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:17,800
Speaker 1: and this one has perplexed me a lot compared to

2095
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:21,600
Speaker 1: many others, which, you know, that's a nice cocktail for

2096
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:24,800
Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety when you're like, we put a

2097
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 1: lot into this, we're counting on this to work. If

2098
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, we're gonna be screwed in so many ways.

2099
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:33,960
Speaker 1: And then have like the kind of mysterious lack of

2100
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 1: mature white tails and other things that we want to

2101
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:40,880
Speaker 1: see here was stressful, But then you come out for

2102
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 1: opening day at by the time opening day October is

2103
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 1: only a month ago that we first hunted this place,

2104
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 1: where you first hunted this place, and that by this

2105
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:51,880
Speaker 1: time there's a few bucks starting to show up on

2106
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 1: show camera. In particular, one the only buck that that

2107
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 1: you saw and you said to me this to me

2108
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 1: and others and even on the show, that you felt

2109
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:03,640
Speaker 1: was like a semi resident of the property, like he

2110
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 1: was hanging in the zone, like he was of the

2111
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 1: CC four acres. He was covering a lot of him

2112
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 1: in his daily route. Like we know that deer have

2113
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:13,160
Speaker 1: roughly up home range of a mile or something like that,

2114
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 1: like our sixty four acres was in his home range. Yeah,

2115
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:22,760
Speaker 1: and and and it wasn't like he was super duper frequent.

2116
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he was the most of all the

2117
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:25,960
Speaker 1: bucks that we did get occasional pictures of. I mean,

2118
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:30,040
Speaker 1: we might have pictures of him once once or twice

2119
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:32,640
Speaker 1: a week. You know. It wasn't like you're seeing him

2120
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 1: every day passing through. And we've got a lot of cameras.

2121
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 1: I had at least ten cameras running, and I went

2122
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 1: get one picture of him on one of those cameras

2123
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:43,400
Speaker 1: once or twice a week. So he was he was.

2124
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 1: He was the most common visitor though. And he's like

2125
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 1: the deer I said yesterday that he this deer that

2126
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:54,120
Speaker 1: marked up the wide eight is like the perfect deer

2127
01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:58,000
Speaker 1: for this scenario, because if you were to look at

2128
01:57:58,120 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 1: him In fact, I think he had somebody comment, um

2129
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 1: when you when you killed him, like, shouldn't you let

2130
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:08,680
Speaker 1: him walk? Shouldn't let him another years when you should

2131
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 1: have passed? And maybe in normal parlance, if you're looking

2132
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,920
Speaker 1: at hunting magazine, a white til magazine, or you're looking

2133
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 1: watching some certain TV shows like the only deer that

2134
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:22,320
Speaker 1: are killed our giant two d in hundred fifty plus

2135
01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:25,840
Speaker 1: inch animals, and so that could secuse your perspective. But

2136
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:28,720
Speaker 1: for a property like this in a state like Michigan,

2137
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:32,280
Speaker 1: the deer that we called the wide eight because of

2138
01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:35,840
Speaker 1: his body size and its maturity, the way they looked

2139
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:40,040
Speaker 1: and what he did, he was a mature deer that

2140
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 1: you'd want to hunt and outwit and pattern and kill

2141
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 1: these Michael, those are my goals to do that with

2142
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:50,680
Speaker 1: mature bucks. And where and again I don't want this

2143
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:53,680
Speaker 1: to sound like humorous, but like where this property and

2144
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:55,680
Speaker 1: that deer line is the fact that this is just

2145
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:58,360
Speaker 1: a pretty normal property. It's sixty four acres. We didn't

2146
01:58:58,360 --> 01:59:00,880
Speaker 1: pay a big chunk of change for this. It was

2147
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 1: relatively inexpensive pal we got a great deal. Shopped around

2148
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:06,440
Speaker 1: and get a good deal, and so we weren't like

2149
01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:09,240
Speaker 1: in here, just dropping millions of dollars trying to get

2150
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 1: the best thing going. We wanted to get a property

2151
01:59:11,120 --> 01:59:13,160
Speaker 1: that was accessible, that we could get in short order,

2152
01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 1: that we knew we could make better. And the animal

2153
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:20,240
Speaker 1: living on that is as normal and as typical as

2154
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:22,080
Speaker 1: the property in which it lives and the one that

2155
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:24,640
Speaker 1: we bought. So I always I thought, even after the fact,

2156
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:27,680
Speaker 1: but even during like this isn't a a buck that's

2157
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:30,000
Speaker 1: gonna play well on the Graham unless we tell his story.

2158
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:32,960
Speaker 1: But that doesn't matter needed with this property if you

2159
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:37,240
Speaker 1: try to try to talk about it. But it's emblematic

2160
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 1: of pretty normal deer hunting across this country. Not everybody

2161
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 1: has farm and I would have killed big bucks or

2162
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:46,040
Speaker 1: been blessed the folks that do nothing bad on them.

2163
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:48,560
Speaker 1: This is just a scenario that we chose to be

2164
01:59:48,640 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 1: in and found ourselves in. And that's what the hand

2165
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:53,000
Speaker 1: we're playing, the Handwred dealt like most people in this

2166
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of people that are doing that. Um.

2167
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:58,920
Speaker 1: And so your first day hunting this place was like

2168
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:02,800
Speaker 1: first week October, and you spooked that the wide a. Yeah,

2169
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:07,000
Speaker 1: first time we ever saw him, um was our first

2170
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:10,720
Speaker 1: hunt came slipping in and and I'm very O c

2171
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:12,680
Speaker 1: D about everything when it comes to deer hunting, but

2172
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:15,360
Speaker 1: accessing and exiting a property are usually something of I'm

2173
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:18,280
Speaker 1: very keen on doing carefully so as to avoid places

2174
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:20,160
Speaker 1: where you think dear will be bettered. If you're spooking

2175
02:00:20,200 --> 02:00:21,480
Speaker 1: deer when you go in or when you go out,

2176
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:23,480
Speaker 1: they're going to very quickly change the behavior. So I

2177
02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:25,800
Speaker 1: planned a route to get to the tree stand we

2178
02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:29,640
Speaker 1: want to hunt that would be uh circuitous enough to

2179
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:32,800
Speaker 1: avoid the swampy area and the honey hoole area where

2180
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:35,520
Speaker 1: I expected most dear to be bedded. So it took

2181
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:38,040
Speaker 1: this long, roundabout way around the outside of the property

2182
02:00:38,200 --> 02:00:41,080
Speaker 1: and long an area I would never expect a buck

2183
02:00:41,120 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 1: to be bedded right in the edge of our old

2184
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:45,720
Speaker 1: field and a wide open piece of timber, like this

2185
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:47,680
Speaker 1: is not thick timber, This is not good cover, this

2186
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:50,000
Speaker 1: is just open park timber. You can see across a

2187
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:52,960
Speaker 1: hundred yards a buck jumps up right off from the

2188
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:54,640
Speaker 1: edge and goes running away, and I can see just

2189
02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 1: a really wide, heavy buck and I'm like, holy crap,

2190
02:00:57,600 --> 02:00:59,400
Speaker 1: that is that buck that we got a picture of.

2191
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:01,160
Speaker 1: We had one picture of a mature buck on sept

2192
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:04,400
Speaker 1: And I bet you was that buck. And that buck

2193
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:05,920
Speaker 1: can be known the White eight. So we spooked the

2194
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:08,400
Speaker 1: White eight in the first hunt in here, and then

2195
02:01:09,160 --> 02:01:11,960
Speaker 1: from that point on we started getting you know, pictures

2196
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:14,160
Speaker 1: of him here and there. Do you want me to

2197
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:17,880
Speaker 1: keep going with the hunt? Not for you? Like, here's

2198
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:23,400
Speaker 1: the deal? Well, fast forward to ways there is white

2199
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:27,440
Speaker 1: sail hunting is um not physically strenuous in a lot

2200
02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:34,280
Speaker 1: of ways, but it's mentally it's a bit mentally. You're

2201
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:39,800
Speaker 1: talking about waking up every day at four thirty am.

2202
02:01:40,760 --> 02:01:44,200
Speaker 1: You know, these guys are rigging camera gear. There's charging

2203
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:49,440
Speaker 1: batteries there, backing up cards there too. You know, Mark

2204
02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:52,840
Speaker 1: is checking traill cameras, trying to figure out what each

2205
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:54,440
Speaker 1: day is gonna be. And you gotta do this for

2206
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:57,680
Speaker 1: usually a good while if you're dedicated enough to really

2207
02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:01,240
Speaker 1: get the buck you're after or at the goal that draft.

2208
02:02:02,280 --> 02:02:06,240
Speaker 1: So this is I mean, we're sitting November what six,

2209
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:09,280
Speaker 1: November six, that's set in the middle of the rut,

2210
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:12,400
Speaker 1: and by the time I got here, Douggie Derran had

2211
02:02:12,440 --> 02:02:16,080
Speaker 1: already been here. There have been other guests. He shot

2212
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:20,440
Speaker 1: a dough off the property but there wasn't much going on,

2213
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:23,240
Speaker 1: Like we had some pictures of deer and we spooked

2214
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:25,920
Speaker 1: one that was kind of good, but that was it,

2215
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:28,760
Speaker 1: and se nothing. But does in a couple of year

2216
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:32,960
Speaker 1: in Anthle Bucks and sitting like, let alone, five or

2217
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:35,640
Speaker 1: six hours, sitting twelve hours in a tree and seeing

2218
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:40,280
Speaker 1: like five deer it's hard to describe how mentally and

2219
02:02:40,360 --> 02:02:42,960
Speaker 1: even physically because you're trying to stay warm, exhausting those

2220
02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:44,640
Speaker 1: things are. To do it for two or three days,

2221
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:47,120
Speaker 1: it's hard enough to do it for weeks at a

2222
02:02:47,240 --> 02:02:51,120
Speaker 1: time with the pressure not only the pressure of I'd

2223
02:02:51,200 --> 02:02:53,080
Speaker 1: love to kill a deer, but the impressure of an

2224
02:02:53,240 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 1: entire show, the impressure of this entire project to pay

2225
02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:59,800
Speaker 1: off all the hard work of everybody at this table,

2226
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:05,160
Speaker 1: everybody else that's touched this project, I would say, turned

2227
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:09,200
Speaker 1: into a real stressed out Mark Kenyon and I think

2228
02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:12,440
Speaker 1: everybody is kind of feeling like this has to something

2229
02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:14,280
Speaker 1: has to come of this. If we go through all

2230
02:03:14,440 --> 02:03:17,480
Speaker 1: year and nothing comes of this, we're gonna be spinning

2231
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:20,600
Speaker 1: a yard. That's probably bullshit, because we're gonna be disappointed

2232
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:23,960
Speaker 1: and we're gonna want people to be interested. Still, so

2233
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:29,960
Speaker 1: incomes the wide eight. Is that's the perfect buck to

2234
02:03:30,040 --> 02:03:33,240
Speaker 1: be hunting, because again, he is who he is, and

2235
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:36,360
Speaker 1: he's the only one. There's other you had, like the

2236
02:03:36,440 --> 02:03:38,720
Speaker 1: toy Aid and a funky nine, like some other dre

2237
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:40,960
Speaker 1: that we're showing up a couple of times on camera,

2238
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:42,880
Speaker 1: but you just don't know. And the run you really

2239
02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:45,600
Speaker 1: don't know anyway. But so I got here a couple

2240
02:03:45,640 --> 02:03:47,960
Speaker 1: of days, three or four days ago, whatever, I don't

2241
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:51,720
Speaker 1: know what the days are now. Um, you know, over

2242
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:55,960
Speaker 1: the weekend and you start hunting, you've already been hunting.

2243
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:58,360
Speaker 1: You guys have already been sleeping in Tim and Leese's

2244
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:04,720
Speaker 1: excellent cam for not showering, sleeping for a very short time,

2245
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:09,920
Speaker 1: producing this show, running ragged, doing this, not seeing your family's,

2246
02:04:10,120 --> 02:04:13,720
Speaker 1: not talking to your people, trapped in the back forty

2247
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:20,760
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. Picking up there. Yeah, it's November five.

2248
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:24,960
Speaker 1: What are you feeling on November five? I can tell

2249
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:26,080
Speaker 1: you what. Let me just start by saying what I

2250
02:04:26,200 --> 02:04:27,760
Speaker 1: was feeling. I've only been here for like two days

2251
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:33,360
Speaker 1: at that point, I'm already pissed. Like we've seen not much.

2252
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:35,480
Speaker 1: It's the deer density is so low. You just kind

2253
02:04:35,480 --> 02:04:37,040
Speaker 1: of see a few deer here and there. It's not

2254
02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:39,920
Speaker 1: like you're sitting around watching deer all day. It's pretty

2255
02:04:39,960 --> 02:04:42,720
Speaker 1: hopeless when you haven't seen a buck that you'd like

2256
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:44,760
Speaker 1: to draw your bow on, because you just don't have

2257
02:04:44,920 --> 02:04:48,280
Speaker 1: that anticipation around every corner. You kids trying to feel

2258
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:51,600
Speaker 1: dead inside. You feel a little bit depressed. Thanks for

2259
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:53,480
Speaker 1: me either, whiskey helped us out there a little bit.

2260
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:57,560
Speaker 1: But that's that's a stressful feeling for everybody when you're trying.

2261
02:04:57,640 --> 02:04:59,640
Speaker 1: We're all pushing towards a goal, and it doesn't feel

2262
02:04:59,680 --> 02:05:01,800
Speaker 1: like like you can't even see the end zone if

2263
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:04,440
Speaker 1: you don't even know what's what's there, and so we're

2264
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 1: all feeling pretty anxious. I feel about what we're doing,

2265
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:11,000
Speaker 1: still having a good time, still filming, doing our thing,

2266
02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:15,920
Speaker 1: doing our jobs as they were, but feeling pretty pretty

2267
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:17,800
Speaker 1: I was. I was like said, I was telling Hunter,

2268
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:19,560
Speaker 1: we're in the tree, and like, dude, I'm feeling pissed.

2269
02:05:19,560 --> 02:05:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mark keeps it positive vibes about him.

2270
02:05:22,240 --> 02:05:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm he have been only been here two days and

2271
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm already like, where what are we doing? Yeah, So

2272
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:30,800
Speaker 1: I was flashing back and forth between these two sides

2273
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:38,040
Speaker 1: where I was simultaneously really frustrated and perplexed. And then

2274
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:40,800
Speaker 1: I would always constantly try to remind myself though, and

2275
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:42,640
Speaker 1: it can change in a second. It can change in

2276
02:05:42,640 --> 02:05:46,000
Speaker 1: a second, like every year when it comes to November,

2277
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:48,520
Speaker 1: regardless of all these other things that are related back forward,

2278
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:50,760
Speaker 1: even on a usual hunting year, for a lot of

2279
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:53,080
Speaker 1: people to take deer hunting really seriously, the rut is

2280
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:55,280
Speaker 1: that's what we look forward to all year. This is

2281
02:05:55,320 --> 02:05:57,280
Speaker 1: the time to get it done. And so usually you're

2282
02:05:57,960 --> 02:06:00,440
Speaker 1: the fate of your season rests on as two week

2283
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:02,480
Speaker 1: period for a lot of people, especially in Michigan, because

2284
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:06,080
Speaker 1: when gun season arrives on November, everything changes. Most of

2285
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:09,800
Speaker 1: the bucks get killed. Those that survive are nocturnal. Like

2286
02:06:10,240 --> 02:06:11,800
Speaker 1: from a lot of bow hunters, you kind of consider

2287
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,960
Speaker 1: November fourteenth or last day unless you've got us really

2288
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:18,080
Speaker 1: special property or something. Um. So that's the way I

2289
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:21,120
Speaker 1: was looking at it and feeling like, wow, this is

2290
02:06:21,320 --> 02:06:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, every day that ticks off the calendar is

2291
02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:26,960
Speaker 1: well one less chance now we're running that time. We

2292
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:29,080
Speaker 1: only have so many days to film here, so all

2293
02:06:29,200 --> 02:06:31,760
Speaker 1: that's weighing on me and and and we had been

2294
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:33,640
Speaker 1: going into our very best spots. We've been saving our

2295
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:36,200
Speaker 1: best spots for November. We go into our best spots,

2296
02:06:36,240 --> 02:06:39,280
Speaker 1: like the Honey Hoole, and it is not producing like

2297
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:42,680
Speaker 1: we thought. I had all these high expectations, um, imagining

2298
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:46,600
Speaker 1: deer pouring through here, funneling along this ridge, bucks coming

2299
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:48,240
Speaker 1: out of the bedding, or checking the doe bedding that

2300
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:50,560
Speaker 1: I thought would be there. To a degree, maybe a

2301
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:53,240
Speaker 1: little bit is um. But like you said, deer density

2302
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:55,840
Speaker 1: and sightings were so much lower than I expected, much

2303
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:58,000
Speaker 1: lower than any other place I've hundred in southern Michigan.

2304
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:01,240
Speaker 1: Um uh. We we don't need to get into all

2305
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:03,840
Speaker 1: the games that might be. But um, but yeah, I

2306
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:06,640
Speaker 1: was perpox, I was frustrated. I was stressed, but trying

2307
02:07:06,680 --> 02:07:09,760
Speaker 1: to stay optimistic because you are hunting. You can't complain

2308
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:12,840
Speaker 1: about that. And number two, it can change like that.

2309
02:07:13,600 --> 02:07:15,640
Speaker 1: So that gets us to November five. I said, all right,

2310
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:17,680
Speaker 1: screw the Honey Hoole. We gave it a shot. We're

2311
02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:20,440
Speaker 1: moving on to something different. We decided to set up

2312
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:22,760
Speaker 1: on the edge of the swamp in the sanctuary area,

2313
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:26,360
Speaker 1: and the hunt started pretty slow. That weren't seeing anything.

2314
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:28,800
Speaker 1: We had a little bit excitement when we hear buck

2315
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:30,800
Speaker 1: grunting in the swamp, but you couldn't see him. You

2316
02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:33,160
Speaker 1: can just hear some crashing in the occasional little ramp.

2317
02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:35,880
Speaker 1: At the same time that morning, I'm across the farm

2318
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:41,560
Speaker 1: north of you guys, sitting in the field number four

2319
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:44,600
Speaker 1: where I got stuck by bees not too many months

2320
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 1: before that, and we had hung a set and this

2321
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:50,200
Speaker 1: good buck comes in the dark. I mean it's probably

2322
02:07:50,240 --> 02:07:55,080
Speaker 1: six thirty maybe still good ways until we get shooting light.

2323
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:58,040
Speaker 1: This buck comes rolling right pretty much right under our

2324
02:07:58,040 --> 02:08:02,560
Speaker 1: tree stand at sub five yard. It's and I'm thinking,

2325
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:06,640
Speaker 1: that looks like the wide eight. Market showed me a

2326
02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:08,280
Speaker 1: bunch of pictures of a wide eight. I've seen it

2327
02:08:08,360 --> 02:08:10,200
Speaker 1: on Instagram with him sharing it with us, Like it's

2328
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:12,800
Speaker 1: a buck we knew about. Like it's a big body deer.

2329
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:16,160
Speaker 1: He doesn't have long times and he's wide. That's all

2330
02:08:16,160 --> 02:08:17,800
Speaker 1: I could see in the dark. I could barely see

2331
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:21,560
Speaker 1: what was going on. And uh, the morning went on.

2332
02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:24,400
Speaker 1: You had that good, you know, pre hunt encounter, just

2333
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:26,560
Speaker 1: enough to get you excited there's something going on, but

2334
02:08:26,640 --> 02:08:28,480
Speaker 1: I had you know, I wasn't going on by me.

2335
02:08:29,120 --> 02:08:33,560
Speaker 1: I heard the grunting, then nothing, nothing, nothing, it's it's

2336
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:36,000
Speaker 1: getting later in the morning. I'm thinking, gosh, there should

2337
02:08:36,040 --> 02:08:38,320
Speaker 1: be something cruising along this swamp. Why isn't there something

2338
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:42,760
Speaker 1: cruising along this swamp? And NT or So comes around

2339
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:44,960
Speaker 1: and I decided, you know what, it's cold, it's been slow.

2340
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:47,680
Speaker 1: It's snack time. So we grab our checksmiths on we

2341
02:08:47,720 --> 02:08:49,800
Speaker 1: start to eat our snacks and I'm constantly trying to

2342
02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:52,280
Speaker 1: keep my head on swivel. I spin my head turned

2343
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:53,920
Speaker 1: around in the back of the field and I see

2344
02:08:53,960 --> 02:08:57,480
Speaker 1: a deer running across field number five and immediately can

2345
02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:59,800
Speaker 1: tell that this is a good buck. Grababa grunt to

2346
02:09:00,160 --> 02:09:03,000
Speaker 1: like telling George big buck behind big ground my grunt

2347
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:06,120
Speaker 1: tube let out a big, deep grunt. That buck stops

2348
02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:08,120
Speaker 1: and turns and looks right at us. I instantly can

2349
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:10,440
Speaker 1: tell us the white eight I say, white eighths right here.

2350
02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:14,720
Speaker 1: He turns and starts running right down towards us. He

2351
02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:17,960
Speaker 1: gets to maybe eight yards, stops and starts turning and

2352
02:09:18,080 --> 02:09:21,160
Speaker 1: heading towards the down wind area where our winds blowing.

2353
02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:23,600
Speaker 1: Now I'm thinking my head, I don't know he's gonna

2354
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:26,800
Speaker 1: wind us, He's going to run away crap. But he

2355
02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:28,960
Speaker 1: gets to where our wind is blowing and he stops.

2356
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:30,640
Speaker 1: You can you can see him hit the wind. You

2357
02:09:30,680 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 1: can see him hit it. He stops, looks again, puts

2358
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:36,360
Speaker 1: his nose in the air. He sniff and he sniff

2359
02:09:36,360 --> 02:09:37,640
Speaker 1: and he's trying to figure out what is this? What

2360
02:09:37,720 --> 02:09:42,240
Speaker 1: am I smelling? And he can't figure it out. He

2361
02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:45,800
Speaker 1: doesn't know what it is? Marcus. Uh, he's a he

2362
02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:50,280
Speaker 1: is a humble bragging his sent control. It was actually

2363
02:09:50,320 --> 02:10:00,360
Speaker 1: a caramel caramel checks mix gusher because I love gushers. Ow. Yeah.

2364
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:03,400
Speaker 1: Point being, he decided that he couldn't tell or could

2365
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:05,200
Speaker 1: not discern if that was a dangerous smell, and so

2366
02:10:05,320 --> 02:10:07,280
Speaker 1: he continued to come in. He was so interested in

2367
02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:10,200
Speaker 1: that grunt came into twenty yards and I was able

2368
02:10:10,200 --> 02:10:13,320
Speaker 1: to get a shot, took a shot, double lunged him,

2369
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,320
Speaker 1: wash him, run off and crash across the way, and

2370
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:22,960
Speaker 1: then you filmed your social media. Completely melt up the

2371
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:29,200
Speaker 1: tree literally just almost fell out of the tree. I'm

2372
02:10:29,240 --> 02:10:35,680
Speaker 1: shaking like crazy because I think we just killed He

2373
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:38,640
Speaker 1: had to he had a breakdown. I did, why do

2374
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:41,280
Speaker 1: you have a breakdown? Mark? Well, I think it's everything

2375
02:10:41,440 --> 02:10:44,360
Speaker 1: that we've talked about up to this point. Um, I've

2376
02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:47,480
Speaker 1: been fortunate to have a lot of great successful deer hunts. Um.

2377
02:10:48,240 --> 02:10:51,400
Speaker 1: I've've experienced that, and I get emotional, I get excited, um,

2378
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:53,960
Speaker 1: But this one was different, and I didn't expect I

2379
02:10:53,960 --> 02:10:56,120
Speaker 1: didn't realize it was going to I didn't never thought

2380
02:10:56,160 --> 02:10:57,680
Speaker 1: it was going to be different. But in the moment,

2381
02:10:57,720 --> 02:11:00,040
Speaker 1: it was just all of these things kind of of

2382
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:02,680
Speaker 1: washing over me. There were a lot of expectations, There's

2383
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:06,680
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. Um, this project has been different

2384
02:11:06,720 --> 02:11:09,840
Speaker 1: than anything I've done before. I just I think it

2385
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:13,120
Speaker 1: put a lot on myself and how it would turn out,

2386
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:15,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of worry about how it turned out,

2387
02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:18,080
Speaker 1: and just a lot of expectations, and I just felt like, gosh,

2388
02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:20,800
Speaker 1: this thing has been a disaster. Nothing's going well. It's

2389
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:23,720
Speaker 1: just been prompt to problem people nitpicking this, nit picking that,

2390
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:27,839
Speaker 1: saying that's not good enough, saying this thing or that thing, comments,

2391
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:29,560
Speaker 1: all that and all that kind of had just like

2392
02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:31,880
Speaker 1: slowly been like weighing on me. And George, you were

2393
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:34,200
Speaker 1: the fly on the wall. Where do you see? I mean,

2394
02:11:34,640 --> 02:11:37,560
Speaker 1: I just after the shot, I mean I just knew

2395
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:40,560
Speaker 1: what it meant as both a hunter, and then you

2396
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:42,520
Speaker 1: know from Mark and all the work that I mean,

2397
02:11:42,920 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 1: you could say that we've done a lot of work

2398
02:11:44,520 --> 02:11:46,240
Speaker 1: to get to this point too, but really we've been

2399
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:49,080
Speaker 1: watching him struggle behind the camera, offering not much help.

2400
02:11:49,160 --> 02:11:50,920
Speaker 1: So I knew it. I knew what it meant to Mark,

2401
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:52,920
Speaker 1: and then you know what it meant to what we're

2402
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:55,040
Speaker 1: trying to do here to and kind of what that represents,

2403
02:11:55,160 --> 02:11:59,200
Speaker 1: and you know, just something that is so relatable for

2404
02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:02,240
Speaker 1: so many to happen like that. And if you sat

2405
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:03,880
Speaker 1: through this story for an hour and a half, you've

2406
02:12:04,120 --> 02:12:06,840
Speaker 1: you're interested in its ending. Of course, it's never over.

2407
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:11,280
Speaker 1: But when you think about a team of people doing

2408
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:14,040
Speaker 1: something right, or even an individual doing something, there's a

2409
02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:18,440
Speaker 1: commitment to when no one's watching right, when people are watching,

2410
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:20,880
Speaker 1: when the camera's on, there's different things. But when the

2411
02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:23,680
Speaker 1: camera's off, you stuff to get up At four thirty

2412
02:12:23,680 --> 02:12:25,280
Speaker 1: in the morning, when you don't want to move out

2413
02:12:25,320 --> 02:12:27,760
Speaker 1: of bed, you still have to roll over and make

2414
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:30,000
Speaker 1: sure you're organized and get all your stuff together and

2415
02:12:30,080 --> 02:12:32,760
Speaker 1: make sure you're in the right spots and be committed

2416
02:12:32,840 --> 02:12:36,400
Speaker 1: to that every single morning. For many mornings when you

2417
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:38,840
Speaker 1: could just accidentally sleep in, or hey, we could take

2418
02:12:38,840 --> 02:12:41,160
Speaker 1: a morning off. We've been working hard we're tired, we

2419
02:12:41,240 --> 02:12:44,040
Speaker 1: can do we can stay home. We can you know,

2420
02:12:44,120 --> 02:12:45,720
Speaker 1: we can have a sandwich. We don't need to go

2421
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:50,240
Speaker 1: and do all these things. Um. I think that's only natural.

2422
02:12:51,680 --> 02:12:54,200
Speaker 1: But when you're really dedicated to something, you will work

2423
02:12:54,240 --> 02:12:56,320
Speaker 1: hard for it. That's the kind of sacrifices you make.

2424
02:12:56,400 --> 02:12:59,240
Speaker 1: You don't allow yourself to to do those things. And

2425
02:12:59,320 --> 02:13:03,240
Speaker 1: I think when people see this episode, um, and when

2426
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:08,520
Speaker 1: they see kind of the reaction and the emotion and

2427
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:10,920
Speaker 1: like talking to your family, which you don't get to

2428
02:13:10,920 --> 02:13:12,880
Speaker 1: see as much because you're on here doing this stuff

2429
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:16,680
Speaker 1: like the balancing act of life and hunting and content

2430
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:19,040
Speaker 1: and media and and all the things that we do

2431
02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:22,920
Speaker 1: is on display and and on displaying a pretty unique

2432
02:13:23,200 --> 02:13:26,240
Speaker 1: special way. I mean, we make lots of jokes on

2433
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:28,360
Speaker 1: the show. We make lots of jokes here. We rarely

2434
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:30,560
Speaker 1: are all that series. But like in that moment, Mark,

2435
02:13:30,680 --> 02:13:36,040
Speaker 1: like you expressed and displayed something that I think is

2436
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:39,560
Speaker 1: relatable to some but not relatable to most because it's

2437
02:13:39,640 --> 02:13:42,640
Speaker 1: it's a unique experience. And that's what what we hope

2438
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:44,760
Speaker 1: with the back forties, we were able to just document

2439
02:13:44,880 --> 02:13:47,840
Speaker 1: this experience, not that we were just gonna get you

2440
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:49,640
Speaker 1: too way we want to kill big Bucks. Every show.

2441
02:13:49,680 --> 02:13:52,000
Speaker 1: We didn't even show a buck until if this is

2442
02:13:52,080 --> 02:13:54,080
Speaker 1: the first book, I think, because yeah, this is gonna

2443
02:13:54,080 --> 02:13:55,680
Speaker 1: be a couple episodes down the roads. You're gonna have

2444
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:58,360
Speaker 1: to watch you know, a good long while here and

2445
02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:00,320
Speaker 1: follow along with us until you get some sort of

2446
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, traditional payoff within the white tail space, within

2447
02:14:03,400 --> 02:14:06,840
Speaker 1: the hunting space itself. And so like the distillation, the

2448
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:11,120
Speaker 1: distillation of honey experiences into like guy goes something, guy

2449
02:14:11,240 --> 02:14:13,760
Speaker 1: kills thing, or a girl goes something, girl kiss thing,

2450
02:14:14,720 --> 02:14:18,040
Speaker 1: um is problematic for all of us because that's it's

2451
02:14:18,080 --> 02:14:23,080
Speaker 1: not really representative what we do. And so hopefully um,

2452
02:14:23,240 --> 02:14:26,680
Speaker 1: when you watch the show that you feel that that

2453
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:30,200
Speaker 1: that it's not all the glamour and it's not all

2454
02:14:31,200 --> 02:14:35,880
Speaker 1: um what you sometimes see. That's everything, you know, it's

2455
02:14:35,880 --> 02:14:38,920
Speaker 1: the hard times, the good times, it's the stress, the anxiety,

2456
02:14:40,160 --> 02:14:45,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, the complete euphoria that comes from all

2457
02:14:45,240 --> 02:14:47,160
Speaker 1: that ending in a way that you wanted it to.

2458
02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:53,480
Speaker 1: So it's it's pretty special. I would say, yeah, it was.

2459
02:14:53,800 --> 02:14:58,920
Speaker 1: It was a special It's a special moment special deers a.

2460
02:15:00,240 --> 02:15:02,040
Speaker 1: It was one I will not forget. Well, let's have

2461
02:15:02,120 --> 02:15:06,600
Speaker 1: a shot to that our second shot of meteor whiskey. Cheers,

2462
02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:10,520
Speaker 1: cheers to the White Eight. Thanks White eight, appreciate you.

2463
02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:19,440
Speaker 1: Take a little sippy sip here. Though Mark is not

2464
02:15:19,640 --> 02:15:24,120
Speaker 1: drinking a lot of I'm a beer guy. He's making

2465
02:15:24,160 --> 02:15:29,760
Speaker 1: that uh meteor bourbon whiskey will make your face look

2466
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:34,560
Speaker 1: like you've never had whiskey before. Pairs well with elk tongue.

2467
02:15:34,600 --> 02:15:38,080
Speaker 1: This one, we don't have any elk tongue. What um

2468
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:42,720
Speaker 1: that's taking a shot of whiskey. Is probably a little

2469
02:15:42,760 --> 02:15:44,880
Speaker 1: bit like you felt when you realized, I mean, you

2470
02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:48,920
Speaker 1: punched a perfect high lung shot on the White eight.

2471
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:53,720
Speaker 1: He ran spring blood everywhere. It was easy to recover.

2472
02:15:54,200 --> 02:15:55,920
Speaker 1: We drove back here and I like that. You know,

2473
02:15:56,080 --> 02:16:00,320
Speaker 1: that's that's a feeling of success. It was. It was

2474
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:03,360
Speaker 1: pretty cool. So one hell of a day. All of

2475
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:08,320
Speaker 1: this to say, go watch the back forty. Keep hanging

2476
02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:12,200
Speaker 1: with us on it because we're not done yet. You know, Mark,

2477
02:16:12,280 --> 02:16:14,919
Speaker 1: his dad's coming in tonight. We're gonna film another episode.

2478
02:16:15,360 --> 02:16:17,600
Speaker 1: We got Ryan Callahan coming in later this year with

2479
02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:21,320
Speaker 1: a new hunter to see the place. We're gonna give

2480
02:16:21,320 --> 02:16:24,080
Speaker 1: away the hunt later this year. We're gonna hopefully film

2481
02:16:24,160 --> 02:16:28,120
Speaker 1: some mushroom hunts, turkey hunts, and some land prep next

2482
02:16:28,200 --> 02:16:31,440
Speaker 1: year and some white tail hunting will find new box

2483
02:16:31,480 --> 02:16:35,440
Speaker 1: to go chase. And we're gonna we're gonna we're getting bees. Yeah,

2484
02:16:35,520 --> 02:16:37,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna get bees. Mark's gonna have meat eater honey.

2485
02:16:38,879 --> 02:16:42,200
Speaker 1: Um hunter will maybe see his family every once in

2486
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:46,320
Speaker 1: a while. Jordan's same for you. You guys might make

2487
02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:47,920
Speaker 1: a trip back to the day's in. Eventually when the

2488
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:52,200
Speaker 1: camper goes away, maybe they'll maybe they'll apologize and give

2489
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:59,680
Speaker 1: you they give the executive suite. At that point, there's

2490
02:16:59,720 --> 02:17:03,320
Speaker 1: a lot um I was emotionally yesterday and also I

2491
02:17:03,400 --> 02:17:09,879
Speaker 1: would say, um, pretty excited to tell the story. Yeah,

2492
02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:12,560
Speaker 1: not only the wide eight, but of of what Marks

2493
02:17:13,440 --> 02:17:15,720
Speaker 1: trying to do and been able to do. But when

2494
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:18,320
Speaker 1: you see somebody that has the emotion that Mark had

2495
02:17:18,360 --> 02:17:21,160
Speaker 1: after you shot this deer, any you know, in the

2496
02:17:21,240 --> 02:17:23,240
Speaker 1: hunting industry, there's a lot of ego and agenda, right,

2497
02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:25,760
Speaker 1: A lot of people want to say that's not big enough,

2498
02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:27,760
Speaker 1: or that's not right, or you didn't do it the

2499
02:17:27,800 --> 02:17:29,520
Speaker 1: way I would do it, or even the way we

2500
02:17:29,640 --> 02:17:32,160
Speaker 1: do it in my place. Why did you do it

2501
02:17:32,280 --> 02:17:34,840
Speaker 1: that way? There's a lot of those questions, some legits,

2502
02:17:34,920 --> 02:17:39,200
Speaker 1: some not. But hopefully you can watch that moment when

2503
02:17:39,240 --> 02:17:41,480
Speaker 1: Mark shoots this buck and realized that, like, it doesn't

2504
02:17:41,480 --> 02:17:43,960
Speaker 1: matter what you think at that point, like just enjoy

2505
02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:48,200
Speaker 1: that hunting can can be this way for someone and

2506
02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:50,760
Speaker 1: it could be this way for you. All you gotta

2507
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:52,200
Speaker 1: do is kind of work at it the way you

2508
02:17:52,280 --> 02:17:54,960
Speaker 1: want to work at it, and go at it in

2509
02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:58,280
Speaker 1: a pure way. Yeah, I think the work the work

2510
02:17:58,440 --> 02:18:01,920
Speaker 1: is is for me what makes hunting so special. It's

2511
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:05,800
Speaker 1: it's everything that leads up to the end result. So

2512
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:08,160
Speaker 1: when I shot that deer, it wasn't all that emotion

2513
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:10,400
Speaker 1: wasn't because I just shot a big body, dear. It

2514
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:14,600
Speaker 1: was because of everything else that it came before, and

2515
02:18:14,760 --> 02:18:17,600
Speaker 1: all that rushing down on you now because of that

2516
02:18:18,320 --> 02:18:21,240
Speaker 1: ten seconds of chaos. And I was saying that, like,

2517
02:18:21,400 --> 02:18:25,280
Speaker 1: I I know this happens, and I like, but I

2518
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:29,440
Speaker 1: with deer like this, you project a lot of your

2519
02:18:29,480 --> 02:18:32,800
Speaker 1: own ship onto the deer, right, Like the deer is

2520
02:18:32,920 --> 02:18:35,480
Speaker 1: just still just a deer. It doesn't. It didn't morph

2521
02:18:35,560 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 1: into a unicorn. That ship hunted all our bills overnight,

2522
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:42,040
Speaker 1: which would be that would be a lot more excited

2523
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:44,640
Speaker 1: if we did that. If we did that, Um, it's

2524
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:47,240
Speaker 1: still just a deer, right, it doesn't. It didn't do

2525
02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:51,480
Speaker 1: anything other than whatevery deer in that situation would probably do.

2526
02:18:52,760 --> 02:18:54,760
Speaker 1: But when so, we project so much of our own

2527
02:18:54,920 --> 02:18:57,720
Speaker 1: selves onto to these things, especially in the situation where

2528
02:18:57,760 --> 02:19:01,480
Speaker 1: you have a long relationship with these animals. So I

2529
02:19:01,600 --> 02:19:03,280
Speaker 1: realized in that moment too that you know, we do

2530
02:19:03,440 --> 02:19:06,200
Speaker 1: project onto these animals, but in this case, it's projection

2531
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:08,080
Speaker 1: in a good way. It's the projection of our own

2532
02:19:08,120 --> 02:19:10,640
Speaker 1: hard work and values. It's projection of our own feeling

2533
02:19:10,680 --> 02:19:13,960
Speaker 1: about natural landscapes and how important they are to us,

2534
02:19:14,440 --> 02:19:18,560
Speaker 1: and all those things intertwined mean that end of motion.

2535
02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:23,040
Speaker 1: So I will say personally, I've learned more from working

2536
02:19:23,080 --> 02:19:25,200
Speaker 1: on this project than just about anything that I've I've

2537
02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:29,040
Speaker 1: done in my professional career or probably even personal life

2538
02:19:29,080 --> 02:19:32,400
Speaker 1: within hunting. And and I've learned a lot about myself

2539
02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:35,280
Speaker 1: about Mark because we did put him in a maze

2540
02:19:36,120 --> 02:19:40,840
Speaker 1: of a labyrinth of different scenarios to test his will. Um,

2541
02:19:41,360 --> 02:19:43,279
Speaker 1: I hope. I Well, I don't know if I passed

2542
02:19:43,320 --> 02:19:48,640
Speaker 1: yet so far approaching listen, I don't know. I probably

2543
02:19:48,680 --> 02:19:50,680
Speaker 1: waxing too much about our own content. You guys can

2544
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:52,400
Speaker 1: watch it if you think it sucks. It sucks, but

2545
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:56,280
Speaker 1: it's something that that's my personal experience, So hopefully that

2546
02:19:56,360 --> 02:19:58,400
Speaker 1: comes across in the content. But that's that's the way

2547
02:19:58,440 --> 02:20:01,520
Speaker 1: that I feel after experience against for myself. Yeah, I

2548
02:20:01,640 --> 02:20:03,960
Speaker 1: hope the same thing. You just never know though, But

2549
02:20:04,320 --> 02:20:07,000
Speaker 1: it seems like you guys all like it. Um go

2550
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:09,080
Speaker 1: to the Mediator YouTube and check it out. Man, go

2551
02:20:09,240 --> 02:20:12,800
Speaker 1: ask us questions. We have many November five, we're gonna

2552
02:20:12,840 --> 02:20:15,160
Speaker 1: be's still filming and hunting here through the end of

2553
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:18,000
Speaker 1: the year. Uh and and episodes will be rolling out

2554
02:20:18,040 --> 02:20:20,160
Speaker 1: through the end of the year, a lot of cool stuff.

2555
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:21,680
Speaker 1: And then as soon as this year is over, we're

2556
02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:23,480
Speaker 1: gonna start planning for next year. And what we're gonna

2557
02:20:23,520 --> 02:20:26,640
Speaker 1: do here. We'll probably shed hunt, will probably like I said,

2558
02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:30,080
Speaker 1: pick mushrooms, will probably hunt turkeys. So much work. We

2559
02:20:30,160 --> 02:20:33,800
Speaker 1: got to work every single night I st out here hunting.

2560
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:36,680
Speaker 1: A large portion of each of those nights has involved

2561
02:20:36,760 --> 02:20:40,000
Speaker 1: me looking across the landscape, imagining what we could do,

2562
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:42,720
Speaker 1: what we should do, what will be happening in January

2563
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:45,520
Speaker 1: or February or March or April. Um. So I've got

2564
02:20:45,560 --> 02:20:48,400
Speaker 1: a lot of big ideas and plans decided for that. Yep.

2565
02:20:48,520 --> 02:20:51,199
Speaker 1: So we have all four of us into this table.

2566
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:55,760
Speaker 1: Have a strong relationship with the Back forty, positive or negative.

2567
02:20:55,840 --> 02:21:00,120
Speaker 1: And if you're a hunter and you think about why

2568
02:21:00,200 --> 02:21:02,960
Speaker 1: do I do this, a relationship with the land is

2569
02:21:03,000 --> 02:21:05,400
Speaker 1: probably a real good reason to do it. So, um,

2570
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:09,840
Speaker 1: take Mark's example and really dive into these things. If

2571
02:21:09,879 --> 02:21:12,440
Speaker 1: you're a small property private land hunter, just dive into

2572
02:21:12,440 --> 02:21:13,880
Speaker 1: it the way that Mark has and the way that

2573
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:17,960
Speaker 1: Steve has wished it to be. And um, hopefully you

2574
02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:21,520
Speaker 1: get what we've gotten, which is perspective. And uh, the

2575
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:25,640
Speaker 1: White Eight, congrats, we already took a shot. We don't

2576
02:21:25,640 --> 02:21:27,160
Speaker 1: want to take another shot, right and I don't think

2577
02:21:27,160 --> 02:21:33,000
Speaker 1: I can't do anymore worked out? All right? Thank you boys.

2578
02:21:36,920 --> 02:21:41,040
Speaker 1: I guess I grew up. That's it. That's all. Thanks

2579
02:21:41,200 --> 02:21:43,320
Speaker 1: for joining us on another episode of The Hunting Collective.

2580
02:21:43,959 --> 02:21:47,760
Speaker 1: Thank you to Capture Creative Hunter and Jordan's thank you

2581
02:21:47,879 --> 02:21:50,920
Speaker 1: to Mark Kenyan for joining us. If you'd like to

2582
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:52,640
Speaker 1: follow Mark Kenny, of course, you can always go to

2583
02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:56,400
Speaker 1: at Wired to Hunt, at Capture Creative. For those folks,

2584
02:21:57,080 --> 02:21:59,840
Speaker 1: everybody involved in the Back forty, thank you so much.

2585
02:22:00,840 --> 02:22:05,879
Speaker 1: There's countless people involved with our show and our content projects. Um.

2586
02:22:06,600 --> 02:22:11,480
Speaker 1: Sam Bates our producer, and Eracer our VP of production,

2587
02:22:11,640 --> 02:22:15,920
Speaker 1: Anton Lacata, our editor in chief. Man. The list just

2588
02:22:16,120 --> 02:22:20,040
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on of all the people

2589
02:22:20,560 --> 02:22:23,720
Speaker 1: that are involved in our project. So thank you to

2590
02:22:23,800 --> 02:22:25,960
Speaker 1: all those folks. Hopefully you sat and listened for an

2591
02:22:25,959 --> 02:22:27,920
Speaker 1: hour and a half of us talking about the back Ford,

2592
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:29,920
Speaker 1: you realize that it does mean a little bit more

2593
02:22:29,959 --> 02:22:32,680
Speaker 1: to us after being here and working hard than just

2594
02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:35,560
Speaker 1: another white Tail Hunt or white Tail show. Um, it

2595
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:39,200
Speaker 1: becomes meaningful because you spend a lot of time in

2596
02:22:39,320 --> 02:22:42,760
Speaker 1: your life working on a thing. So hopefully the more

2597
02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:44,840
Speaker 1: time you work on something, the more meaning it has.

2598
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:47,040
Speaker 1: If it's the other way around, you're probably doing it wrong.

2599
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:50,040
Speaker 1: And so watch the back Ford and go to the

2600
02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:52,600
Speaker 1: Metator dot com. Go to Meteator to YouTube, go to

2601
02:22:53,080 --> 02:22:56,959
Speaker 1: the meat Eator Instagram, the white Hunt Instagram, to my Instagram,

2602
02:22:58,080 --> 02:23:02,560
Speaker 1: to the Captured Creative Instagram. Am hit follow, hit subscribe,

2603
02:23:02,680 --> 02:23:05,760
Speaker 1: hit like. We also have the white Tail Weekly newsletter

2604
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:09,359
Speaker 1: over there at the Meetor dot com. Go there, subscribe

2605
02:23:09,400 --> 02:23:14,280
Speaker 1: to that. Also, we have the Win a Hunt program

2606
02:23:14,520 --> 02:23:17,560
Speaker 1: with Mark and Steve on the back forty go and

2607
02:23:17,600 --> 02:23:19,640
Speaker 1: do that as well. So you got a lot to

2608
02:23:19,720 --> 02:23:21,400
Speaker 1: do a lot of homework around the back forty. We

2609
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:25,160
Speaker 1: have planned and executed a lot of content around this idea.

2610
02:23:25,680 --> 02:23:28,600
Speaker 1: We are, if you cannot tell, very excited about it

2611
02:23:28,959 --> 02:23:32,560
Speaker 1: and wants you to go check it out. So for

2612
02:23:32,680 --> 02:23:34,960
Speaker 1: all of us here at the White Tail Hunting Back forty,

2613
02:23:35,040 --> 02:23:38,200
Speaker 1: hopefully have a good early November. Rutt, hopefully you have

2614
02:23:38,280 --> 02:23:40,840
Speaker 1: a good dear season altogether, and we'll see you next

2615
02:23:40,879 --> 02:23:45,840
Speaker 1: week on the Hunting Collective. Bye bye, Yeah, being just

2616
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:55,360
Speaker 1: listened to the podcast, Joy pretty much agree you know,

2617
02:23:55,600 --> 02:23:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean, people been trying to eradicate it for years

2618
02:23:58,520 --> 02:24:02,360
Speaker 1: and years. I don't think it just somebody shooting one

2619
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:06,480
Speaker 1: because they come by the deer stands, gona heard county

2620
02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:10,960
Speaker 1: populations or even eating people to the contad They've been

2621
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:12,920
Speaker 1: trying to kill him out. They tried to kill him

2622
02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:17,360
Speaker 1: out of that with Obviously that's not gonna happen, but

2623
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:20,800
Speaker 1: I do and I was like, you or kill other

2624
02:24:20,879 --> 02:24:24,040
Speaker 1: code easily. But I do think and I agree with

2625
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:28,520
Speaker 1: you all that, uh pretors need to be managed and

2626
02:24:28,680 --> 02:24:30,840
Speaker 1: he got one like a bad apple, take it out,

2627
02:24:31,360 --> 02:24:34,360
Speaker 1: but paying on condemned somebody that wants to county and

2628
02:24:34,400 --> 02:24:37,320
Speaker 1: that she was telling my a bounty in North Carolina.

2629
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:40,440
Speaker 1: I think she's that articuler. But I looked it up

2630
02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:44,160
Speaker 1: and that's just one county in North Carolina. As far

2631
02:24:44,200 --> 02:24:48,640
Speaker 1: as I've been up here that about years, we've never

2632
02:24:48,720 --> 02:24:51,840
Speaker 1: had a bounty. But that's news are as far so

2633
02:24:52,120 --> 02:24:56,879
Speaker 1: that one county. But it's like he said, the wolves

2634
02:24:57,000 --> 02:24:59,320
Speaker 1: used killed county's. I mean, they're gonna be a niche.

2635
02:24:59,440 --> 02:25:01,440
Speaker 1: They're like going to take over. They're gonna fill in

2636
02:25:01,560 --> 02:25:05,320
Speaker 1: that niche. But it's funny thing to me that if

2637
02:25:05,440 --> 02:25:08,560
Speaker 1: you meet I mean around home in it's North Carolina,

2638
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:12,800
Speaker 1: about anybody you asked or safe up to about turkeys,

2639
02:25:13,280 --> 02:25:17,760
Speaker 1: the first thing out of or amount is the coti. Well,

2640
02:25:17,800 --> 02:25:20,280
Speaker 1: I got a niece for you. Texas got cuties, and

2641
02:25:20,320 --> 02:25:24,199
Speaker 1: I got a turkey. Counties are not killing the urchy.

2642
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:27,160
Speaker 1: They might get a turkey erring out, you know, a

2643
02:25:27,440 --> 02:25:31,320
Speaker 1: little turkey, but coties are probably actually beneficial to turkeys

2644
02:25:31,680 --> 02:25:37,279
Speaker 1: because we've got coons, raccoons at the yingang like thirteen

2645
02:25:37,440 --> 02:25:41,879
Speaker 1: on Trail Cameron. Somebody's bait. Fine one time those get

2646
02:25:42,040 --> 02:25:46,080
Speaker 1: turkey nest So somebody says something like, Dad, I kind

2647
02:25:46,120 --> 02:25:49,400
Speaker 1: of gotta say that. You know, I don't really agree

2648
02:25:49,440 --> 02:25:54,400
Speaker 1: with that, because actually the county could be beneficial because

2649
02:25:54,440 --> 02:25:57,280
Speaker 1: the turkey hunt asked this might belie I've never really

2650
02:25:57,360 --> 02:25:59,520
Speaker 1: heard no studies to back it up, but I do

2651
02:25:59,720 --> 02:26:05,280
Speaker 1: know I have seen studies show that raccoons get a

2652
02:26:05,360 --> 02:26:08,800
Speaker 1: lot of turkey nests, and not all raccoons, but scumps

2653
02:26:08,879 --> 02:26:11,879
Speaker 1: and postums and got you take care of all them things.

2654
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:15,160
Speaker 1: So I just want to throw out again. Enjoy listening

2655
02:26:15,160 --> 02:26:18,160
Speaker 1: to podcast. I know sometimes you'll be listening and you

2656
02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:21,960
Speaker 1: just kind of want the chiming, So it's kind of

2657
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:24,320
Speaker 1: hard to do, but you have to kind of stop it,

2658
02:26:25,240 --> 02:26:27,400
Speaker 1: do it before you forget. But enjoy the podcast, y'all.

2659
02:26:27,480 --> 02:26:30,640
Speaker 1: Keep it up. Do long, because I can't go a

2660
02:26:30,760 --> 02:26:40,120
Speaker 1: week without doing run, oh without doing run, ring out, run,

2661
02:26:45,000 --> 02:27:01,960
Speaker 1: drinking in even so, sitting at the Boston would stop

2662
02:27:02,120 --> 02:27:06,560
Speaker 1: the throw roots. Feeling lagging all on our barras shoes all,

2663
02:27:06,760 --> 02:27:08,800
Speaker 1: tell me what is it that I sho