WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Busy Schedule 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.760 The following Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:16.520 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. Are you ready 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.360 for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:24.680 Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:29.040 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:36.400 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.920 It is Wednesday, May eleven, twenty twenty two, Season eighteen, 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.400 episode number eight. Welcome to the latest edition of The 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.319 Break Life and s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.280 We've got a little bit of time here today to 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.080 talk to you guys about a lot of different things. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.320 We have the Rookie Minicamp coming up this weekend. We 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.560 got some wrap up on the draft and those guys 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.520 and what you guys will be looking for this weekend. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.480 If anything, we'll talk about a little bit about that. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.080 We'll also talk about schedule release that's coming up tomorrow. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.679 Lots of interesting things coming out of that. As usual. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.279 The NFL UH that is a super Bowl for digital 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.320 media groups around the NFL. Should be fun tomorrow. Stop it. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.840 Dave cares what you think about that. I didn't say 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.840 anything you invited me into that, I did, uh, And 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:19.840 then we'll see in the final segment if we have 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.120 a little time to talk about a second NFL team 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:23.880 in the city of Dallas. Maybe we'll have time for that, 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.480 maybe we won't, but we'll see how that goes. How 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:32.000 you doing, Nike Goode? Yeah, you know, I figure if 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.600 we have a little time, we might throw it out 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.240 there and let y'all feast done that a little bit 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:40.080 and see what kind of funny I thought. But we'll 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:41.840 get to that in the third segment, maybe if we 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:43.920 have a little bit as well as chance in hell, yeah, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.119 I know, we'll get to that. Um. So let's start 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.000 first with the rookies. UM, we last week did a 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.800 deep dive into each player that was drafting your thoughts 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.480 on them. This week, I think we're gonna take a 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.520 little bit of a bigger picture view of the draft 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.480 and as a whole, and then with the rookies coming 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.200 in this weekend, some of the things that are intriguing 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.960 to you about that, Let's start first. We do we 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.200 do know the rookie mini campus coming up Friday Saturday. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.400 They'll be arriving on Thursday. We'll have lots of content 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.399 following those guys interviewing those guys will get to see 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.240 the rookies for the first time in Cowboys uniforms, so 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.600 that should be somewhat exciting for fans out there. Let's 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.880 go back to the draft, though, and as you look 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.760 across the entire draft, the entire lot of Cowboys picks, 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.920 who was the most intriguing draft pick for you? Most 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.280 intriguing draft pick two come to mind, one being Jalen Tilburt, 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.399 just because I think the value is great. I think 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:40.880 he's good enough to start right away. Obviously Tyler Smith, 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.120 but I think I hate to say project, but I 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.840 just feel better about what Jaalen Tilbert is right now 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.080 and got to see more from Tyler Smith. And then 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.760 Damon Clark just because of the great unknown of what 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.680 he can be when he's healthy and the discount that 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.040 they got there. Those are the two for me. For me, 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:03.000 I would obviously Tyler Smith. I think he you know, 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:05.240 I don't know if he's a I think he's a 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.680 project left tackle. I don't know if he's a project 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:09.960 left guard. If he is, they shouldn't have drafted him. 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.000 So I'm hoping that he's not that. But I think well, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.800 let's go, has a chance to probably be starter in 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.359 a couple of years. I think I think I could 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.880 see that happening over Josh ball or do you see 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:24.919 how do you see them? Because I heard that conversation 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.959 come up yesterday and it was an intriguing one because 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.560 Josh balls fourth round pick is you know, and so 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.760 duke it out. That's fine. Whoever wins, that'd be great. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.640 I mean, I'm not counting on that. I mean they're 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.480 both fourth round pick or no, he's a fifth round 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.360 the well let's go. Um, I just I could see 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:44.000 that that happening. But if Josh balls better, that's a 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.960 good it's a good problem that you're just really going 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.000 with the word play over there. Well, let's go. I'm 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.760 ball out talking right now. You sound like nick like 0:03:54.840 --> 0:04:02.160 every time y'all come up with some smarty line pun. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.520 well I don't. I'm trying to think of a different 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:08.080 guy other than Tyler Smith, because he really is the guy. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.640 That's more not just the guy, but the position itself. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.760 What's going on on the O line. That's the most 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.120 intriguing part for me because we're a week out from 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.880 the draft already and we still haven't seen like any 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.920 other signing of like a veteran guy. And I know 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.960 they just drafted a first round pick to come in 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.760 and help and they're expecting him to be a guy 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.279 that can help in the get go right away. But 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.400 it's just I can't visualize all of that really going 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:42.279 smoothly just yet. So I'm really intrigued as to what 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.680 is actually going to happen with the tackle position and 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:50.080 with the guard position as we start moving into rookie 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.640 Mune camp then training camp and seeing how things develop, 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.080 because they I still think they need a veteran guy 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.080 to come in and help and they haven't signed a 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.400 guy like that. Yeah, it's it's interesting, and I think 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.800 my most intriguing pick it's really the two it's the 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.880 two offensive linement because I think going into the draft, 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.080 and I'll speak for myself, I was really I was 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:15.200 assuming that Dallas was looking at either the draft or 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.400 some veteran to be the guys that would be your 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.400 backup tackle, you know that kind of thing. And it 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.920 sounds like from from really the way the Cowboys are 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.160 looking at it, they're looking at their young guys as 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.320 their backups. I don't think they're necessarily going out and 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:34.200 finding some veterans. So I'm interested to see how you know. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.840 Can you have Smith come in and play guard immediately? 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.400 As you said, Nick, I agree with you. If he 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.000 can't do that, then I questioned whether he was worth 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.040 the first round pick. But can he come in do 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.280 that immediately? Is there an ability for well, let's go 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.280 or Ball to maybe jump in there and be your 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.880 swing tackle this year, or both of them battling in 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.640 that situation, Ken Farnie, I give you to give you 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.880 some competition at center. Like, I think there are lots 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.120 of questions on the offensive line, and it seems like 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.039 the approach the Cowboys are taking is that they're gonna 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.839 go with young guys. I think, you know, to Amber's point, 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.279 if if they do sign a veteran at this point, 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.280 I think that they would probably deem them as progress stoppers. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.400 I think you have to wait and see this office 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.360 off season and training camp. Now, if you get the 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.360 camp and and all of a sudden, Dorance Armstrong looks 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.840 like Lawrence Taylor coming off the edge every time because 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.919 you can't block him, then I would think maybe you 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.200 do have to go that route it. Maybe maybe Lawrence 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:32.960 is just Lawrence Taylor. Yeah, Donce Taylor say, yeah, maybe 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.440 that'd be good problem, that would be a good problem 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.920 to have. But yeah, I'll lean the other way, Okay. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.920 And that's not a knock on Doran's that's training camp. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.120 We see that all the time. We're staying Sky's bawling out. 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.719 He's amazing practice day after day. And then it turns 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.960 out it was the competition what they were doing last year. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.120 He had a great training camp camp. He did have 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.520 a great season last This season was pretty good for 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.000 for all, for not being a starter, for being a 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:00.880 guy that they lean on on special teams. He had 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.080 a nice year. But then we got to come up 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:07.000 if if none of if none of their tackles can 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.560 deal with him at training camp, that's a problem. Yeah. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.720 That's not a like, oh we've got a great end. 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.280 It's a oh, we don't have any tackles in my opinion, 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.720 right all right, Um, who was the biggest steal of 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:23.400 the draft? Well, I mean if I if I'm saying that, well, 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.240 let's go has a chance to start in a couple 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.520 of years, then I gotta say that then, especially since 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.120 he's a fifth rounder, which fifth rounders haven't been too 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:38.480 good around here at all. Yeah, yeah, at this one. Yeah, 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.320 that was about Yeah, it's been a it's been a 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.640 Bank of America type a round. So they gotta be 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.239 they gotta be better than that. I'll say Tolbert again 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.920 because they almost drafted him at fifty six and he 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.280 was still there at eighty eight. Um. I want to 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.240 say Daman Clark, but I think you got to hold 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.760 off until you see if he's the same player. Yeah, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.360 I think he will be. I hope he will be, 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.000 but we don't know that right will be a steel. 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.600 Then that would be for sure. If he if he 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.800 just if it's like nothing ever happened, then that is 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.640 one of the steels of the draft. Probably, But it's 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.640 just too soon to say that right now. I tell 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.440 you who Jerry would would say. It's like it was 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:19.080 Sam Williams. We're fair. We're calling him D now, right 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.760 should it's D. It's actually it's spelled d E, so 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.320 it's dead. But everybody says D, so I guess we 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.280 just say D. I think his middle name. I think 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.320 we talked about this last name. His mental name is 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.199 liked Eric. I think something like that. What position is 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.520 he going to be like, what a position is he 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.599 going to be listed at? Why? Because it would be 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:43.120 d D. Williams. They're call him d D. And yeah, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.680 that's exactly what's gonna happen. I can hear it in 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:49.080 the press box now. But yeah, I agree, I agree. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.600 I agree with Nick that Jerry would say that that's okay. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.080 Is that a fair assessment that that he should be 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.199 considered a bit of a steel for the Cowboys? If 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.840 he not? Until it? No, it's too soon to say 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.960 that it will be. Could argue that based on talent, 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.360 you could argue Kelvin Joseph could be a steel too, 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.240 and it doesn't seem that way right now, and so 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:15.400 those those things go into consideration. Steel. I'm like, fair, No, 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.320 it's too soon to like, it's too soon to be 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.400 like we were right about this, like we well took 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.720 this chance and he was there and where it's going 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.600 to pay off. It's too soon to say that. Let's 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.720 be honest, when you start talking about steals, it's probably 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.240 too early to say that for anybody true how it's 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:33.880 going to pan out. But you kind of just base 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.880 it on where they got them versus what the potential is. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.000 I guess is the best way to look at But like, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:44.000 like a Jalen Tolbert doesn't come with the same question marks, 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.679 whereas I'm like, yeah, like if he's on the field 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:48.400 doing his thing, I think that's really good value for 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.280 where they got him. He's here to change the culture, 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.520 he says, he's coming down here to help change the culture. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.360 Real quick. Going back to Sam Williams, I forget, uh whatever, man, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.600 I'm just playing along whatever man Williams. Is that okay? 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.680 Do you use the last name that? Sure, Williams. It's 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.520 not a common name at all. Well, now Connor is gone, 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.440 so we'll stick to this Williams. So with him, was 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.520 he outside the question marks and all that? Was he 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.000 like graded as a first round pick talent wise? I 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.240 don't know that. I don't think. I don't think the 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.040 Cowboys had a first round grade on him. I mean 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:30.439 the Cowboys had fourteen first round grades. That's and so no, no, 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.440 I don't. I doubt very many people had a first 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.719 round grade on him. But in terms of puerability, I 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.360 think we talked about it last week. I mean, his 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:43.800 tape against very good competition is very good. Yeah, it's 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.600 all all feel stuff for him. Right, Yeah, I mean 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.560 it's not about his ability. I don't know. I still 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.800 don't know that, Like I don't if he was Captain America, 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.079 I don't know that he would have been a first 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.520 round pick. It's hard. It's hard to answer that question though. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:59.320 All this stuff is completely different. Like one team's Cowboys 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.040 are like he's our best second round grade Tyler Smith. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.400 Somebody else could have him as a third well, like 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.000 every valuation, obviously you looked at a lot of players. 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.440 Do you think he was a guy that would have 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.320 ended up being drafted in the first round, again, understanding 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.800 the premium on the defensive end position, do you think 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.680 he's a first round talent that just had other issues 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.240 that made him be a second round pick. I don't 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.280 feel comfortable saying he would have been a first round 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.240 pick if he had a clean bill, But I think, 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.520 you know, I don't think he would have lasted to 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.920 fifty six. Put it that way. I think he would 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.000 have been one of the first guys taken on Day two, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.480 probably one of the first handful of guys. It sounds 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.720 like the on the field knocks for him is just 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:43.240 his versatility in the position, and that's just what Ole 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.040 Miss asked him to do get up the field and 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.840 beat these left tackles and get to the quarterback, which 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.440 he did, and but sometimes with that, it's like where 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.880 else can you play him? Can you play him three downs? 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.800 Can he is he just a rusher? Which there's value 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.840 there obviously, But I think that's the question marks he 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.880 had to answer on the field, is what can you 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.720 do with him all the time during the game, Because 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.640 I think that's the difference in Dave will know this 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.480 better than me, but I think that's the difference between 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.080 the rushers that get drafted high in the first round 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.240 and the ones that have you know, have good and 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.640 sack numbers, but they don't necessarily, you know, show that 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.880 they can be a consistent run stop or three down player. Yeah. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.880 I mean, the more you can do, the more complete 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.640 your picture is, the better off you are, which he'll 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.640 tell you. Like Old Miss asked him to do a 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.360 lot of stuff other than line up out wide like 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.120 he was. He played a lot of like four eye technique, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.920 like in closer inside the line, doing the dirty work. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.880 That was a big thing. Oh gosh, I'm drawing a 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.200 blank already. I mean, like, um, people have said that 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.440 thing about guys before where oh oh, think tray Von Walker, 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.240 the number one overall pick, is like, well, Georgia asked 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.120 him to play strong side a lot. He's fantastic against 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:55.920 the run, and they didn't need him to be a 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.240 pure edge rusher. D Williams has. He has some of 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.120 that to his game. But again, I mean twelve and 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.560 a half sacks in college. I mean, you don't see 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.240 a whole lot of guys do better than that just 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.200 because of the like the limited number of games you play, Like, 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:13.080 you don't see these twenty sack totals in a college season. 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.840 I mean, twelve and a half is really really good 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.960 in a college season. So he clearly has that ability. So, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.760 knowing what you know about the other players they have 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.400 at the position and what you think of of d Williams, 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.280 what would be a good year for him this year? 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.400 And I'm not necessarily talking about in the way of sacks, 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.720 but more from a standpoint of what role could the 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.440 Cowboys expect him to play. Is he a guy that 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.320 could be competing to be starter type or is he 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.120 a guy that really, you know, you think up more 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.280 as this kind of a pass rush specialist that comes 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.520 in on third downs and kind of gives some extra 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:48.800 pass rush. Um. I think for me, it starts with 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.880 a good year for him is no issues off the 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.280 field that that's a real that's a good start for him. 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.719 No expectations on the field necessarily, know what I mean? 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.880 I think that I think it starts there, got it. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.760 I think it's for me it starts there and then 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.720 and then just make a you know, be uh. I 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.800 mean if he's a Chauncey Gholston type guy that can 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.040 just contribute at times some special teams but also comes 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.920 in on third down to get some sacks, that would 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.600 be a good year. I mean, I think taking better 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:22.040 than Layton vendoresh now looking at yeah, I could see 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:26.600 that be impossible him coming in and just making maybe 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.720 on the field like where you notice him more than 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.880 what Layton has the same role. These names are gonna 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.280 bother me here, like I said this d E and 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.040 other because if he's not listed as a d E, 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:44.600 what's he going to be listed at linebacker? Sam? Let 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:50.360 see what you're doing, Williams. Sam goes by saying but no, 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.160 he's not going by Sam, but he is a Sam. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:59.440 Or what number is fifty four? A successful season for 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.760 him would be like being one of the four primary 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:07.160 defensive ends. I mean DeMarcus Fowler and Drance would be 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.920 the other ones. If he's one of those four pass 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:16.640 rush situations passing situations, so be better than play somewhere 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:21.440 between thirty five and fifty five percent of the snaps. Yeah, 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.720 be awesome if he could be better. Is there going 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.040 to be an odd couple odd man out here? I 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.680 mean twenty five tackles a young guy. I mean, I 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.480 don't think they're giving up on him. We start thinking 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.400 about I mean, you just throw throughout those four names. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.200 Golston wasn't mentioned, are Bashim wasn't mentioned there. Obviously, bash 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.800 Him is a veteran. If the Cowboys side they don't 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.600 need him, they could always move away. Golston's not somebody 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.280 I wouldn't think that they're ready to give up on it. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.160 That's on my point. So so where does where does 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.320 that all lay out? Gholston's got some good versatility to 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:56.240 go inside. That's I mean, DeMarcus Fowler, Williams Dance even 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:01.560 throw in bash him yea, even I haven't said Golston yea. 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.360 That gives you six And so that's fine right there. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.720 I mean, six defensive ends is pretty normal. And then 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:11.520 consider the fact that Golston has inside flex and even 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.840 to some degree, Tank does too. I wasn't even talking 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.920 so much about making the team as much as who's 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:18.640 going to get the snaps, Like you want to keep 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.600 developing Golston, He's gonna need snaps to keep developing. Well, 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.080 the snaps comes down to where what else you could do? Yeah, yeah, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.760 I mean, but but if if you've got if Basham's 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.600 just a little bit better than Golston is, but Golston 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.840 is helping you on special teams or Durrance is helping 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.040 you on special teams or whatever, then those guys play. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.440 But you know, it always works itself out. We know that. Ye. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.640 I mean those are those are the those are the 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:47.080 quintessential situations where like the team would probably love to 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.800 get cheaper, you know, well, I mean, I'm not trying 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.440 to fire Terrell Basham, but he's not making enough money, 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.760 Like he's got to have a good camp Fowler like 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:58.960 sounds weird to say, and I don't think he would 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.560 be cut, but they are not tied to him. If 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.000 if they get to camp and Williams is just that dude, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.920 and Gholston takes a step. I mean, like I said, 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.240 that would surprise me. But they're not tied to either 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.320 of those guys financially. Yeah, they just gave you flexibility 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.399 when it came to draft it. Right, that's Cowboys special. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.240 That's what they like to do. For some reason, I 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.240 keep seeing him, I don't know, like to me, in 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.120 my mind when I visualize the team and the defense, 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.240 I just see him fitting better. And I know he's 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.879 a defensive end, like that's how they drafted him, but 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:33.159 I see him fitting better as a linebacker like rotating 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.560 somehow and helping in that part of it. Just because no, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.280 and I'm trying to put that on the side, but 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.359 just watching like some of his tape and seeing the 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.880 way that he plays. I didn't even mention him, right, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:53.360 but that's like is he going to be and that's 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.439 that's still more rips, right, Yeah, but that's and to 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.679 your point about Williams, Mike is the same way, like 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.119 just overhang those guys on the formation. Yeah, Like I 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.919 bet d Williams will play some standing up expect like hey, 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.840 good point, get out there, hang off of the end. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.320 You know, we'll have five down linemen, and one of 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.640 them will be d Williams sort of standing there looking 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.800 like he's about to take off from first base. Just 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.320 club your way around the tackle and get home. You 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:25.119 don't worry about Okay, how do you envision the linebackers? 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:29.800 Then the group? Um, hold on, Before I get to that, 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:31.919 I want to say this one thing about Mica And 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.160 you say, you guys kind of looks alike and all that. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.560 If if Mica can spread that wing a little bit 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.879 and d Williams falls under that and they they are together, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.840 I like that. I think somebody needs to do that. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.479 Somebody needs to whoever that is. And I know Mike 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.399 is still young himself, and he's not too far removed 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.639 from a guy that thought people thought had character issues 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:59.000 or whatever. But he loves football. He works at getting better. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.560 If if that can be a connection a form, that 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:08.280 would be outstanding, if that can happen. To answer your question, linebackers, Um, 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.959 you know it's it's up in the air. I mean 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:17.520 Layton Van Reesh and Micah Layton, Micah Cox and curse 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:22.480 Boom done good, Luke Gifford too. That's cool. He can 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:26.240 he can play, he can join anything. Do you think 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:30.879 Devin Harper will even like have a chance to battle 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.840 for that. I think he will. We answer a mail 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.359 back about this, like just spitballing, just trying to predict 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.879 the future. I bet he'll make the team and it'll 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.200 be mainly to play special teams and be on kick 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.680 and punt team and all that stuff. I put him 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.440 his third most reps among all the Ricky draft picks, 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:54.800 Devin Harper, third most behind Tyler Smith. And then I 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:59.480 think it's either gonna be Tolbert or Ferguson. It's gotta 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.000 be Tolbert, right to be, don't have to be. I 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.480 just assume they're gonna him early on. And I think 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.280 if he's as ready as you say is, then once 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:11.119 you get him in there, I think he's gonna continue 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.480 to get opportunities, and you know how that goes again. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.920 Receivers will get injured and he'll be playing. See Ferguson 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.439 playing a lot. I could see him just being a 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.800 lot of two tight endsets and I see him out. 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.560 I'm gonna say they could pivot away and try to 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.679 play twelve personnel until Gallup comes back. Like there's no 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.240 way to know how they can want to play that 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.320 I will say I feel fine about how the linebacker 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:37.359 situation work looks. As long as everybody stays healthy. It's 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.880 completely fair to say you haven't given yourself a whole 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.120 lot of insurance there. If that isn't the case, well great, Dave. 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:45.840 You just set us up. We're gonna take a break. 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:47.720 When we come back. I'm gonna ask you guys where 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.000