1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to save your production of iHeartRadio. I'm 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Annie Reese and. 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we have an episode for 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: you about soup Jimu Yesh. 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: Was there any reason this was on your mind, Lauren? 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well it had been on my list of 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: things to do because it got put on UNESCO's list 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: of Intangible Cultural Heritage just a couple of years ago, 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: and I was like, let's learn more about that. And 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: you know, then there's been it's a dish from Haitian cuisine, 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: and there's been a bunch of stuff in the news 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: cycle lately that has been disparaging to our wonderful Haitian 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: immigrant population here in the United States. And I was like, 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: you know, what a nice time to talk about some 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: of the lovely cuisine from that place and those people, 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: and to yeah, you know, maybe encourage if anyone has 17 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: a Haitian restaurant in their area, this might be a 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: lovely time to go support them. 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: I'll admit I did. After doing this research. I went 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: to Haitian restaurant. I've never had this soup. It sounds 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: amazing to me, and an he didn't offer it at 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: the restaurant I went to, but I got some other 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: amazing food and huge portion. 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 2: Oh oh, I'm jealous. I'm gonna need to I haven't 25 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: done that yet. It's like it's on my list of 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: cravings from episodes. 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: Yes, the ever growing lists. Yeah, and there are there 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: are a bunch of things we've done that you can 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: see for uh, you can see past episode wise, like squash, perhouse, pumpkin, 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: things like that. 31 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, beef, beef soups or stews, a bone marrow. 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: Yes, but I guess this brings us to our question. Yes, 33 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: soup jumu. What is it? 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: Well, Soup jumu is a type of warming, hardy squash soup. 35 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: You've got a base of blended winter squash and broth, 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: studded with all kinds of ingredients like beef, meat and 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: marrow bones, starches like potatoes, noodles or rice, vegetables like onion, carrots, 38 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: cabbage and turnip, and warm herbs and spices like thyme 39 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: and cloves, often with a kick of heat from a 40 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: chili pepper like Scotch bonnet, and an undercurrent of bright 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: lime juice. You might finish it with a bit of 42 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: butter or other creamy element, maybe an extra squeeze a lime. 43 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: It's frequently served at large group celebrations, often with some 44 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: like chewy bread on the side, and can be eaten 45 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: for any meal of the day. I actually haven't had 46 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: it either, but from what I understand, it is fragrant 47 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: and velvety, smooth, like bright yellow orange in color, and 48 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: all of these like stick to your ribs ingredients and 49 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: a heady sort of warmth. It's a comfort food. It's 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: like eating a sunrise and coming away ready to take 51 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: on anything that sounds so lovely, right, I need to Oh, 52 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: I need to find some. I need to find some. 53 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: It's also like it started to befall last week. It's 54 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: back to summer this week because we live in Georgia. 55 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: But I was like ready for soup weather. Yes, my 56 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: kitchen still doesn't really function, but I'm prepared for soep weather. 57 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: Now. 58 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do it, Lord, take over someone else's kitchen. 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: It's going to be great. Uh yeah, Okay. Soup Him 60 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: is the kind of thing where like every region or 61 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: neighborhood or family or individual cook has their own tweaks 62 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: on the recipe, and people enjoyed debating about what's like 63 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: best or what's correct, Yes, they do. But at the 64 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: base of a lot of savory dishes in Haitian cuisine, 65 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: you've got epies, which is this aromatic vegetable and herb 66 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: puree that's used to marinate proteins and also is just 67 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: like your general aromatic basin soups, stews, rice and bean dishes, 68 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: et cetera. Recipes can vary and can also be contentious, 69 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: but usually you're looking at like some aliums like onion, 70 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: garlic and scallions, some vegetable stuff like celery and bell peppers, 71 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: savory herbs like thyme, parsley or cilantro, some neutral oil, 72 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: and then some kind of acid like lime, juice and 73 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: or vinegar. Maybe some hot Scotch bonnet in there too. 74 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: You blend them together with a mortar and pestle or 75 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: in a blender to like a fine, even saucy like 76 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: sort of salsa ish consistency, and then use it everywhere 77 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: like you wood near pois or sofrido or the trinity. 78 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: You know, if you are using meat in your soup, 79 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: and not all recipes call for meat, you're probably going 80 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: to marinate it in a piece for a few hours 81 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 2: to overnight. Lots of recipes will call for like good 82 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: stewing meat like a like beef chuck, along with beef marrowbones, 83 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: so that you add just a lot of flavor and 84 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: also silky texture to the soup from the gelatin and 85 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 2: the fats that those pieces contain. I've also seen recipes 86 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: with chicken or turkey instead of beef. Lots of recipes 87 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: will call for you to wash any proteins in vinegar 88 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 2: and or citrus juice before adding them, which is traditional 89 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: to lots of Caribbean cultures. The winter squash is really 90 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: the star of the show here, though any kind of 91 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: like earthy, slightly sweet, smooth, blending squash can be used. 92 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: And by winter squash, I mean like those types of 93 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 2: like fall harvested squash that have a protective outer rind 94 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: incasing yellow to orange flesh with a hollow inside for 95 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: that webby network of seeds in the middle. You know, 96 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: Things like butternut squash or the variety that we call 97 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: Calabasa and English are common. You cook off the squash 98 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: with a little bit of water or broth and then 99 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: pure it the vegetables in there. Recipes often call for 100 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: chopped carrot cabbage, turnip, celery, leaks, and or onion. The starches. 101 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: I've seen everything from like short tube style pastas like 102 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: rigatoni or penne, to long strand style pastas like spaghetti 103 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: and vermicelli. Chunks of potatoes are also pretty common. I've 104 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 2: seen some other recipes with rice or yams or taro 105 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: root or plantains or kind of sort of all of 106 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: the above. Like, there is no need to limit to 107 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: yourself to one starch here. 108 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: Not. 109 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: Seasonings can be added to taste, you know, onion or 110 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: garlic powder, thyme, sage, parsley, cayenne, cloves, dar anise, juniper, 111 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: tomato paste. These are I'm just reporting. I'm only reporting 112 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: what I have seen. I'm not saying that you should 113 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 2: put all of those in there. I can't tell you 114 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: what to do. Okay, that's Those are all suggestions that 115 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: I have received with my eyeballs, yes, and then yes 116 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: at the end, perhaps some lime, juice or butter or cream. 117 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: It is traditionally served on New Year's even New Year's 118 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: Day in Haitian communities, because Haitian Independence Day is January first, 119 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: which is just about as far off as I think 120 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: we've ever been in terms of timeliness of the publishing 121 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: of an episode. But yeah, here we are making this 122 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: soup is often a family or community activity as well, 123 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: like preparing that piece, like in the meat and the 124 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: vegetables and cooking everything and all the different steps and 125 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 2: bringing it all together. 126 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Yes, well, what about the nutrition. 127 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: It depends on exactly what goes into it. But you know, 128 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: this is a soup with a little bit of everything. 129 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: It is meant to fill you up and keep you going. Yes, 130 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: and we do have some numbers for you, we do, 131 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: all right. So a lot of Haitian unity centers, certainly 132 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: around the US that I've seen, and I would guess 133 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: around the world, do have like festivals where they will 134 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: offer up this soup. On January first. This year, twenty 135 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: twenty four, was the fifth iteration of an event in 136 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: Miami on New Year's Day called Soup and Champagne. It's 137 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: a Haitian Independence Day celebration. It's also a white party 138 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: where the guests wear all white outfits. It's a cocktail 139 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: thing like lots of music and art and food featuring 140 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: of course soup Jimu. There's an organization in Haiti called 141 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: Fondazion Felicitae that distributes soup jimu every Independence Day. I 142 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 2: think they were in their twenty third year this year. 143 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: They work currently in about thirty one cities to give 144 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: out some ten thousand bowls of soup every year. 145 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: Wow. 146 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 2: And this twenty twenty four is, in fact the two 147 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: hundred and twentieth anniversary of Haitian independence. 148 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: Yes, and it is such a history to how we 149 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: got to this point. 150 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 2: Oh, it is, it is and we are going to 151 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: get into that history as soon as we get back 152 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: from a quick break forward from our sponsors. 153 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes. 154 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay. So, modern day Haiti is a country 155 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: in the Caribbean. If you go do south from Florida, 156 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: right you hit the large island of Cuba, and then 157 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: if you had east, the next big island over is Espanola, 158 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: where you've got Haiti on the west side and the 159 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: Dominican Republic on the east. A native Tino peoples had 160 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: been living there for thousands of years by the time 161 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: the Spanish showed up in fourteen ninety two and started 162 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: enslaving them to work in gold mines and to build 163 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: plantations for crops like sugarcane. 164 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: Right, and then the French started officially occupying Haiti, then 165 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: called Saint Domain, in sixteen ninety seven. Spain had just 166 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: seated the western section of Espanola to France. At the time, 167 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: the economy of Saint Domain was largely based on export 168 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: crops like coffee, tobacco, and sugar. To keep the colonial 169 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: economy functioning, plantation owners enslaved eight hundred thousand Africans for 170 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: free forced labor. By the mid eighteenth century, the profits 171 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: generated from this colony outpaced any other in the world. Yes, 172 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: and during the French colonial rule of Haiti, one of 173 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: the crops the Enclat peoples cultivated was squash, which is 174 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: native to the Caribbean and Latin America and the key 175 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: ingredient in soup jumu. 176 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 2: And I spent probably too much time trying to ascertain 177 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: what specific variety is traditional here. Linguistics makes it difficult 178 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: because a lot of recipes call for colabaza and an 179 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: English colabaza refers to this particular varietal of squash, but 180 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: in Spanish it refers to winter's in general. Similarly, the 181 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: French word uh jeromon gets tossed around, but I'm nearly positive. 182 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: That also is a general term which is sometimes applied 183 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: to a different specific varietal. I did see a lot 184 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: of squash that are speckled green and white on their 185 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 2: rind and have this like orange yellow flesh, though I 186 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 2: saw several different names for those, and look y'all, in 187 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: my defense, squash are all in the same genus Kirkribita. 188 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: Two species, Muscata and Peppo, are native to Central America. 189 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 2: Muscata contains things like the butternut squash and the specific colabaza. 190 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: Pepo contains things like the acorn squash and like the 191 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: Halloween look and pumpkin, you know, like big orange thing 192 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 2: that you would carve into a jack lantern. Yeah, varieties 193 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: of both have been cultivated and propagated throughout Central America 194 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: and the carab In and beyond like since before humans 195 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: got there. So squash, squash aside. 196 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: Squash aside very important. So making soup jumu was a 197 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: very time consuming process. If you've worked with squash, then yes, 198 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: you should know. However, or perhaps because of that, white 199 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: enslavers and colonizers were the only ones allowed to eat 200 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: this soup. They forbade the enslaved who made prepared and 201 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: served it. From eating it, it became a status symbol, 202 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: a way to further dehumanized enslaved Africans and reinforce white supremacy. Okay, 203 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: so the Haitian revolution erupted in seventeen ninety one when 204 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: the enslaved decided to revolt after winning and then officially 205 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: declaring their independence from France, who had support from the 206 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: British and the US. By the way, on January first, 207 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: eighteen four, Haiti became the first free black republic. To 208 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: mark the event, people in Haiti started the tradition of 209 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: eating soup jummu on their independence day. The story goes 210 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: that Haiti's first Impress, Marie Claire Jruz Felicite Bono Dessaline, 211 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: distributed soup jimmu. What was a symbol of oppression was 212 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: reclaimed as a symbol of freedom and independence. Over time, 213 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: the soup has been adapted based on region, taste and ingredients. 214 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 1: On top of that, years of foreign interference, poverty, in 215 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: part due to colonization and France requiring Haiti to pay 216 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: back in slavers an amount equivalent to twenty one billion 217 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: dollars or more in today's money. Natural disasters and other issues. 218 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: Many Haitians have immigrated all around the world. This soup 219 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: is a way to come together and remember their history 220 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: no matter where they are. Yeah. 221 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen saw the release of a documentary about soup 222 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: Chimu called Liberty in a Soup. 223 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: Yes, and then with the rise of social media, the 224 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,599 Speaker 1: dish has grown in popularity. In twenty twenty, bone a 225 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: Petite calls the backlash when they posted a recipe that 226 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: didn't call for many of the original ingredients. 227 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing to me how often this comes up. 228 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: It really is, It really is. The outcry led to 229 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: boneup Ae tit issuing an apology and changing the name 230 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: of the recipe to Pumpkin Soup with spice Nuts, which, 231 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: by the way, I looked up the recipe and I 232 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, this just sounds like pumpkin soup. But anyway, Yes, Yes, 233 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: A part of the issue is no surprise. We have 234 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: talked about this a lot. They didn't involve any Haitian 235 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: voices or perspectives, further erasing a history that already is 236 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: too often erased. As one anonymous Haitian commentary wrote, what 237 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: you have done here is recolonize a soup which is 238 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: by definition anti colonial. 239 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: Wow. 240 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean basically people were like, this was 241 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: if it's going to be a mainstream recipe, then you 242 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: should have taken that opportunity to share this very important 243 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: history that most people might not know about. 244 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also super cool, so why wouldn't you want 245 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: to learn about it? 246 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: Exactly? This all did lead to many Haitian people educating 247 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: non Haitian people about the soup online, which is good 248 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: but also kind of frustrating because it shouldn't really be 249 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: their job. But yeah, all while making clear that it 250 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: is more than just a soup. It is bigger than that. 251 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: And yes, in twenty twenty one, soup Jimu was added 252 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: to UNESCO's list of Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity and 253 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: I found a really good quote about it. When asked 254 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: about this moment in an NPR interview, Haiti's ambassador to UNESCO, 255 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: Dominique ded Poi said, as a people, when you go 256 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: through years and years of collective trauma, you're constantly in 257 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: a state of coping. And there's this famous word that 258 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: we use so often. You have to be resilient. But 259 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: resilience comes at a cost. To me, this inscription reminds 260 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: us of our humanity, of our fragility, but of our 261 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: strength when we come together and also when we just 262 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: accept that we are worthy of always bringing something, in 263 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: this case quite literally to the table. And also there 264 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: was a sense of reparation. There are hundreds of countries 265 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: with cultural heritage listed, and yet there was a missing name. 266 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: Haiti was not on that list. How can a country 267 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: like Haiti, which has contributed so vitally to the history 268 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: of the world, be missing on a list that showcases 269 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: the diversity of the world. There was no better way 270 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: to have such a strong entry than with this element, 271 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: with the soup, with everything it embodies. Yeah, that's what 272 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: we talk about when we say it's more than food. 273 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: There's so much more to it than that. Absolutely all 274 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: the time, all the time. 275 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: And it's delicious on top of that. Yeah, Yes, this 276 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: is why I get a little bit excited. Yeah. 277 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: And it was like reading the stories of people coming 278 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: together and make it. I always love hearing about that, 279 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: or even people going to these events if maybe they 280 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: aren't with their family or what have you, having that 281 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: community and sharing it or the history, and that's how 282 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: you kind of have that moment absolutely. 283 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: I mean even like like arguing back and forth across 284 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 2: recipe blogs about what is and is inappropriate. But your 285 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: soup is kind of beautiful. I mean there's a passion 286 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 2: there and that's really wonderful. 287 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: It really really is. So listeners, if you have any 288 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: experience with this soup, please let us know. I'm desperate 289 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: to try it so in soup mode, I am ready. 290 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: I am generally a sup person, but I am currently 291 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: very ready for it. 292 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, as soon as we drop back down below like 293 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 2: eighty five degrees, I'm going. 294 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: To be cut out. Yeah, but yes, we would love 295 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: to hear from you. But I think that is what 296 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: we have to say about Soup Jumu for now. It is. 297 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: We do already have some listener mail for you, and 298 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: we are going to get into that as soon as 299 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: we get back from a quick break for a word 300 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: from our. 301 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: Sponsors, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you, 302 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: and we're back with listener s. That's how a good 303 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: bowl soup makes me feel. 304 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 305 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: Christine wrote to further Lawrence request to sample as much 306 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: Perry Perry Chicken as possible and perhaps get you to 307 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: come to Australia. I was going to recommend Australian fast 308 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: food chain Oporto's, specifically their chicken burgers. However, I had 309 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: one for lunch today and it wasn't great. In fact, 310 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: super producer Dylan or super producer Andrew would have to 311 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: do a lot of bleeping if I were to give 312 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: you my honest opinion. So instead, I'm going to recommend 313 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: the Portuguese style chicken burger made by Australian comedian YouTuber 314 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: a mental health advocate, NAT's What I Reckon. NAT's cooking 315 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: videos are one of only two great things to come 316 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: out of the COVID pandemic. The other is Max Miller's 317 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: historical food YouTube channel Tasting History. I think I was 318 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: remembering NAT's burger, which is inspired by a Porto's burgers, 319 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: but much better. Jes be warned. Nat swears a lot, 320 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: and the chicken burger is one of the ones where 321 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: he experiments with bleeping out the swearing. It doesn't really work. 322 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah uh there. There's an infamous episode of Spintea where 323 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: I didn't realize a certain word had to be bleeped. 324 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: Oh, and it was about the history of that word. 325 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: Oh goodness, oh wow, So that was probably creative. 326 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: It was a lot of bleeping to the point that 327 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not sure anyone really knew, but I 328 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: was talking about at the end, which is unfortunate because 329 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: it's an interesting history. 330 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: Sure they usually are. Yeah, I've I've backed off of 331 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: doing I've backed off of doing brain stuff episodes about 332 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: like various mild cuss word eenymology, because like it's it's interesting. 333 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: But I'm like, can I can I literally do this episode? 334 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: There's yes, can I hear that? 335 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's a mystery to this day, wild rust 336 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: other Oh. 337 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: Sheldon wrote The Popsicle Show was an old one, but 338 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: listening to it again reminded me of an amusing popsicle 339 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: story that I have. Back in the days when I 340 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 2: was teaching at the university, I would always commute to 341 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: work by bicycle. I would do this year round, even 342 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: on the coldest winter days. And now when it's really cold, 343 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: you can keep a popsicle in your pocket and it 344 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: won't melt. So I would frequently stop at a corner 345 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: store at the beginning of my commute and put it 346 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: in my pocket. When I would get to the classroom, 347 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: i'd hang my coat just at the side of the 348 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: front and while teaching, I'd walk over, take out the 349 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 2: popsicle and start eating it while I would track. They 350 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: wrote track, I'm sticking with it. I found it necessary 351 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: to do things for my eight thirty am class to 352 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: make sure the students would stay awake, and things like 353 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: this would keep them awake. One day, it was really cold, 354 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: about negative thirty five degrees fahrenheit. As usual, I got 355 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: my popsicle and put it in my pocket. Back in 356 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: those days, over thirty five years ago, winterbike riding was 357 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: not common and people would often look at me in 358 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: wonder as I rode across the parking lot toward my building. 359 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: I'm a bit of a show off, and this day 360 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: I decided to give people something special to look at. 361 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: While riding across the parking lot with no hands on 362 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 2: the bars, I took the popsicle out of my pocket 363 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: and put it in my mouth. This was when I 364 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: found something about popsicles that I never knew. You know 365 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 2: how you're told never to lick a metal pole in 366 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 2: the winter. I found out that negative thirty five degrees fahrenheit, 367 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: which is much colder than a normal freezer, a popsicle 368 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: acts just like a metal pole, but I wasn't licking it. 369 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: I put it in my mouth. My upper lip, lower lip, 370 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: and tongue were all stuck hard to the popsicle and 371 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: it hurt. I sped up, got to my building, dropped 372 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: the bicycle, and ran into the nearest bathroom and put 373 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 2: my head under the sink to let the water melt 374 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: it so I could remove it from my mouth. I 375 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: got these strangest looks from the other two people who 376 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 2: were in there. So let this be a warning to 377 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 2: you and others. Do not store your popsicles negative thirty 378 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: five degrees fahrenheit. 379 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: Done. 380 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, easy, yeah, anytime. I don't think I could do 381 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: that if I wanted to. So oh no, yeah, I'm 382 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: sure that was quite the tail for others. Oh my goodness. 383 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: Oh I'm picturing oh just like this sheer like like 384 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: developing panic. 385 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: Yes, I hope it was a bright popsicle too. 386 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, so really it's clear what type of 387 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: object was. 388 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is something my dad would do. He 389 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: was always somebody that was like, it's cold outside, let's 390 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: get the coldest dessert we can, Whereas I'm like. 391 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: Why why I'd like to be warmer than this. I 392 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. 393 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I appreciate it. It's quite the story 394 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: and quite the lesson learned. 395 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, lessons were learned by all that day. Yes, 396 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: so success, we'll say, teach your success absolutely. 397 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed wow. Thanks so much to both of these 398 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: listeners for writing in. If you would like to write 399 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: to us, you can our email us hello at savorpod 400 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: dot com. 401 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: We're also on social media. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook, 402 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: and Instagram at saver pod, and we do hope to 403 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: hear from you. Savor is production of iHeartRadio. 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