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Speaker 1: Hi Brian, Hi Katie. Well that was quite a morning,

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Speaker 1: the only, the icon, Miss Dion von Furstemburg, or has

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Speaker 1: her Madam. No, I'm just kidding. Anyway, we should add

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Speaker 1: that she was kind enough to let us interview her

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Speaker 1: at her amazing office kumb store, coom, home, coom everything,

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Speaker 1: a very cool space, lots of colors and patterns and

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Speaker 1: animal prints and everything you would imagine. Dion von Furstemburg

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Speaker 1: statue from the King of Bhutan. I think she mentioned, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: so yes, this little thing from the King of Bhutan.

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Speaker 1: I have one of those actually in my powder room.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, But anyway, she really is quite an

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Speaker 1: amazing woman. Her life is like something out of a

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Speaker 1: fairy tale. Before she turned thirty and I remember this,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, I'm old enough to she had married

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Speaker 1: a prince, started a fashion line and was on the

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Speaker 1: cover of Newsweek with that really famous style that put

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Speaker 1: her on the map. That would be the wrap dress.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and a fun fact, it was inspired by

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Speaker 1: the rap tops that ballerinas were in rehearsal. And another

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Speaker 1: fun fact I learned preparing for this interview was that

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Speaker 1: it was designed for women to make a quick getaway

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Speaker 1: to wake up, if you know what I'm saying an

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Speaker 1: alternative to the walk of It was designed so that

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Speaker 1: may be wrong. It's sort of the the clothing alternative

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Speaker 1: to coyote love, which means biting off your arms so

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Speaker 1: you don't have to wake up the person with whom

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Speaker 1: you slept. Interesting anyway, I read the Dion sold five

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Speaker 1: million of these dresses by the mid nineteen seventies. And

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Speaker 1: like most people who have had a long and public careers,

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Speaker 1: Diannest faced her share of challenges to cancer, divorce, business challenges.

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Speaker 1: So somebody needs to make a biopick of her life.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well. She did have her own reality show on

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Speaker 1: e a few years back called House of DVF. But

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Speaker 1: she's an incredible woman. She's also very outspoken and she's

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Speaker 1: all about at age seventy one, inspiring other women, which

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Speaker 1: reminds me, Brian, this is the last episode Sniff Sniff

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Speaker 1: of our wonder Women's series. I couldn't think of anyone

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Speaker 1: more fitting to wrap it up. Anyway. We spoke to

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Speaker 1: how she really infused her with this desire to succeed

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Speaker 1: so she told me that Dion was her given name,

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Speaker 1: so we decided to dutifully call her Dion. I should

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Speaker 1: tell you, Katie, I'm actually Brian duly noted Brian. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: here's our conversation with Dion, Bond Person and Burke. My

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Speaker 1: mother husband they called Medienne, but my children call me,

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Speaker 1: I like when people get my name right too. So yes,

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Speaker 1: So here, Brian and I are here at the epicenter

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Speaker 1: and this is your home. Well it's it's my My

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Speaker 1: So tell me what it's like to be in this

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Speaker 1: a disruption in the world, and therefore there's such a

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Speaker 1: people don't know that. Well, let's start at the beginning

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Speaker 1: charge of your life. So I always prepare me oh,

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Speaker 1: and then then forty and then this and that. I

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Speaker 1: always prepare because probably I don't like surprises, and so

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Speaker 1: I like to prepare myself. So what kind of an

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Speaker 1: old lady am I going to be? You know? How

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Speaker 1: do I stay relevant? You know? And so the way

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Speaker 1: to stay relevant is really to help people, you know,

435
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: and and and and what you gain when you're successful.

436
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: Two things happen once you could pay your bills. And too,

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Speaker 1: you have a voice. And when you have a voice,

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Speaker 1: it's your duty, but it's also you privileged to use

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Speaker 1: your voice and the voice of the people that you

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Speaker 1: know who have a voice, and weave this into a

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Speaker 1: fabric so that you can have compassion and impact for

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Speaker 1: people who have no voice. And that's and philanthropy is

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Speaker 1: intimidating when you're young. I mean, I you know, it's

444
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: like landscaping. You know, landscaping you need an architect to

445
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: tell you can I cut that tree? Or can I

446
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: plan this? And then you start planting and you say,

447
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: you know what, I could do it, and I philanthropy

448
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: is a little bit that way, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: When I started the DVF Award, I was so shy.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to keep it so quiet because people were

451
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Speaker 1: going to say, who is she? Why? Why? Why does

452
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Speaker 1: she feel entitled to create an award? But if you are,

453
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Speaker 1: you create an award because you can give exposure and

454
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Speaker 1: money to people, to women who do things, and therefore

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Speaker 1: you encourage them. Now it's gonna be next April is

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Speaker 1: in a April thirteen is going to be our ninth

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Speaker 1: awards ceremony, which means that the year after it will

458
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Speaker 1: be ten years. And so if I look back, I've

459
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: given over five million dollars to all these different women.

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00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: They are not part of my family. I know them.

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Speaker 1: I keep touch with them. Some we discovered and then

462
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Speaker 1: they became you know, they've got more awards and more awards,

463
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Speaker 1: and you turn around you say, wow, you know I've

464
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Speaker 1: done something. So. I mean, at first, when you try something,

465
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: you think it's so meaningless and so small in this

466
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Speaker 1: but you pile it up. And that's what life is about.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I don't understand people who refuse their age.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how can I pretend that I am not

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Speaker 1: my age when I've lived so fully I should be

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Speaker 1: twice my age, you know, So whatever. One of the

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Speaker 1: other things you've learned over the course of your life

472
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Speaker 1: is how to cope with adversity and setbacks. As Katie mentioned, Uh,

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00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: the iconic wrap dress was hugely popular and then it

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Speaker 1: wasn't and then you helped to make it come back.

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Speaker 1: Can you describe that there was a rough period in

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Speaker 1: the middle of those two things where the business was

477
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Speaker 1: really in tatters. You moved to Paris, and I know

478
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Speaker 1: that you had some self doubts at that point that

479
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Speaker 1: we had this big interview together when wasn't three Oh

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Speaker 1: is it too Yeah? I just actually posted a picture

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Speaker 1: of us. You looked much better than It was an

482
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Speaker 1: unfortunate band period for me, right shore, Don't you looked great?

483
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Speaker 1: Thing in my head was very straight and I like it.

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Speaker 1: We'll seeing neither of us as please, but we both

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Speaker 1: like how we think you both looked great. But but

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Speaker 1: you know, I think to Brian's point, you have had

487
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Speaker 1: ups and downs and everybody no, I know, I know,

488
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Speaker 1: but I think for you just powered through all the time,

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Speaker 1: which you know. Also, you have to understand that sometimes

490
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Speaker 1: people think you are the peak and knew yourself. No

491
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Speaker 1: you're not. You know when I was like on the

492
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Speaker 1: cover of Newsweek and that I was twenty nine, but

493
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Speaker 1: I was terrified because I knew that I was going

494
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Speaker 1: through a difficult thing. And some other times when people think,

495
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Speaker 1: oh she's a has been and blah blah blah, you

496
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Speaker 1: already know that you're doing so you can only you

497
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: have to kind of shut the noise out, don't you.

498
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: You just have to do again. You drive your own car.

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Speaker 1: The one thing you have to be is trying to

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Speaker 1: be true to yourself as much as possible, because if

501
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: you make a mistake because somebody told you to do that,

502
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: you will never forgive yourself. If you make a mistake

503
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Speaker 1: because you believed in it, then it's okay because you

504
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: were true to you. Fashion, though was so capricious, and

505
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: the business is doing better than ever right now, isn't it? Well? Right?

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Speaker 1: Now is the moment that, in a weird way, I'm

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Speaker 1: shrinking the company in order to change a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the business model so that it can grow for

509
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Speaker 1: the for after me. How do you change the business? Well,

510
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: it's a lot, of course, you know, everything has changed

511
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Speaker 1: because of the digital world, right, because of buying online.

512
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Speaker 1: So a lot of effort go onto your website because

513
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: you know so. So it's a lot directly to the consumer.

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Speaker 1: You think brick brick and mortar stores will always exist,

515
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Speaker 1: though I was talking to someone who knows a lot

516
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Speaker 1: about these things. And because of the communal experience, because

517
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: people want to socialize, they want to actually touch things.

518
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Speaker 1: It's it's both, you know, the people who started all

519
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Speaker 1: the big you know startups that started online, then I'm

520
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Speaker 1: doing brick and motor. But it has to be about

521
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: the experience. It's very there's a lot of things that

522
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: are different. It's the same, but you just have to

523
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: wear different lenses and look at the different way. You

524
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: have to calibrate things, don't you constantly because things are

525
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: changing every single day, easter and faster and faster, you know.

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Speaker 1: So you know, We've got a question for you from

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Speaker 1: one of our listeners. About clothing design and functionality? Can

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00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: we play that? This is Brianna from Brooklyn. I just

529
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Speaker 1: wanted to pose a question to Diane von Kerstenberg. Since

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Speaker 1: she is such a proponent of comfortable fashion for women

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Speaker 1: as a way to gain confidence in yourself. Why does

532
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: she think so few other designers seem to care about that.

533
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about zippers of the deck and buttons and

534
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: places that we can't possibly reach. We never have functional

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Speaker 1: pockets on our clothing, So why does she think that

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Speaker 1: so few other designers are thinking about the practical aspects

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Speaker 1: of a woman's life. Thanks. You know, the French designer

538
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: Christian Lacroix once told me that men men design to

539
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: make costume and women design to make clothes and it

540
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Speaker 1: has some value I mean women. And that's why even

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Speaker 1: male designers have women's muses of women's assistant, because a

542
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: woman knows what is important. For example, the fabric jersey

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Speaker 1: is something that is I mean if you look at

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Speaker 1: a piece of jersey and you look at a piece

545
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: of saturn silk, of course the saturn silk is more beautiful,

546
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: but women know that the comfort of jersey. So jersey fabric,

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Speaker 1: for example, is always been used by all women designers,

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Speaker 1: from Koko Chanel to Donna Karen to Norma Kamali to

549
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Speaker 1: Dine First Nomber. You know, so fashion design is is

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Speaker 1: not art. Design deals with function. So I think women

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00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: women designers understand function better. Can you talk about and

552
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: then world transition uh dion to International Women's Day and

553
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: all that and what you're doing here? But mentoring has

554
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: become so important to you, and I think I know

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Speaker 1: I would like to ment tour more. I try to.

556
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: But what makes a good mentor? Everyone says it's important?

557
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: But how do you do it? What are some of

558
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Speaker 1: the practical steps? I don't know. I think you know

559
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: you don't know who will turn up to be your mentor.

560
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: You really don't. I mean, in some cases you do.

561
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: People say, oh I'm going to mentor you, and but

562
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: how do you mentor others? Now? But first of all,

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00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: you in my case, I I really you you You

564
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: just give advice without I mean, you know you don't

565
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: want to patronize either, I mean, nothing is I mean

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00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: I'll condescend them or any of that. Mentoring is just

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00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: giving people advice, you know, introducing somebody to somebody else.

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Speaker 1: I mean today through the emails. I have a game

569
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: I play with myself that my first two emails every

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00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: day is something that doesn't benefit me. I love that,

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00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, and that, and it's so easy. I can

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00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: introduce somebody to you without speaking, without leaving a message,

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00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: and I can change that person's life. You know. That

574
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: is so incredible, and that's the chain of love. And

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00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: you do that and then funny, funnily enough to you know,

576
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: half an hour later you may need that person that

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00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: you just did a favor too. I mean, that is

578
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: what but that's not what motivates you, which I think

579
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: is so wonderful. It's like, has nothing to do with you.

580
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: I like to use my magic one. I see it

581
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: that way. It makes me feel good and and I

582
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: use it more and more, and as I get older

583
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: and older, it's it's more and more effective because I

584
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: know more people, and I have gained more legitimacy, and

585
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: therefore people take my word for value, and so if

586
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: I introduce somebody to somebody, they will pay attention. And

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00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. All that thought, it's time for another

588
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Speaker 1: quick break. We'll be back with more DVF right after this.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much to our listeners. Who called in with

590
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: their thoughts. As always, Drew from Indianapolis wends the award

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Speaker 1: for our most enthusiastic caller of the week. Let's hear

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00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: what he had to say. Oh my gosh, Hi, I

593
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: love you Katie, and I love Brian too, Oh my gosh.

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00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: And I'm so excited about the Wonder Woman series. And

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00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: I just would die for more of your interview with

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Speaker 1: UM with Kara. It was so good. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I love Kara Switcher so much. I

598
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: love Recode, I love her and I love you and

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00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: it was just such a wonderful like and I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited about your Dyane one person for an interview, and

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Speaker 1: I have so many questions for her. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I love Dyane on person, burd I love you Katie,

603
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: I love you Brian, I love Kara Swisher, I love

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00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: your podcast. It is so wonderful. Thank you so much.

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00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: Thank you. All I have to say is, oh my gosh, Drew,

606
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: I love you too. I'll have what Drew saving. Drew,

607
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: by the way, also some great questions for Dion on

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00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: which we are going to use for this very episode.

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Speaker 1: So Drew, thank you for your compliments and thank you

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00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: for your great questions as well. Remember we'd always love

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00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: to hear from you, good, bad, or in different. Actually,

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00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: if it's in different, it's probably a waste of all

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Speaker 1: of our time. But give us a call on our

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Speaker 1: voicemail line at nine to nine to to four four

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Speaker 1: six three seven. You may just hear yourself on our show.

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Speaker 1: And you don't have to be quite as enthusiastic as Drew,

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00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: but we like it if you Drew. So I want

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Speaker 1: to call your attention everyone to another podcast you might enjoy.

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Speaker 1: It's called Ricode Decode. It's hosted by one of our

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Speaker 1: wonder women, Kara Swisher. On Recode Decode, Kara talks to

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Speaker 1: key players and tech and media about how they're changing

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Speaker 1: the world. So whether you're a student and entrepreneur, a CEO,

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00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: or just an interested consumer who wants to know what's

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00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: going on in the world, you should understand how that

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00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: change will affect everything. Once again, the name of the

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Speaker 1: show is Recode Decode, hosted by Kara Swisher. You can

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00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: find it and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. And

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00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: now back to the one, the Only Dion von Furstenburg.

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Speaker 1: So this podcast is going to air on International Women's Day,

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Speaker 1: and you're hosting a four day event here for that occasion,

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Speaker 1: and can you tell us a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: what you're up to and wine. Well, I always, I

633
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: mean as a European, I always celebrated International Women's Day,

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Speaker 1: even before I remember ten years ago, almost no one

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Speaker 1: in America celebrated that. So I always have celebrated that.

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Speaker 1: So this time we decided that we were going to

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Speaker 1: do it not just a one day event, but it's

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Speaker 1: actually a five days event and create panels and you know,

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Speaker 1: and make it a celebratory but also networking. That's great.

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Speaker 1: You know. Part of the DVF Award is one award

641
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Speaker 1: that is People's Voice, so people everybody can vote. And

642
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: the reason that I did that is that I therefore

643
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: can have even though I will only have one winner,

644
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: I can expose four, So I can expose four people

645
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: who are doing great works. So exposure is really part

646
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: of what you can give them. You give them money,

647
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: but exposure is too and then they get and then

648
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: they get more support. So the four people that you

649
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: can vote from is and you can go on DVF

650
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Speaker 1: Awards dot com and you can vote and please I

651
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: encourage everybody to vote because your vote is important. So

652
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: the nominees are Aaron Louis Coutraro of She Should Run

653
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: and It's an organization that is nonpartisan that helps women

654
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: to run for office. The second award is Luma Moffle

655
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: of Fugiz Family. This is a nonprofit organization that uses

656
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: the power of soccer, education and community to empower refugee

657
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: children to successfully integrate in the US. The third people

658
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: to vote for is Laura Hackney and Jessica Hapley from

659
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: Any Canons, a non governmental organization working to transform survivors

660
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: of human trafficking into software professionals. Human trafficking is so

661
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: horrible and it is everywhere and it doesn't get at it.

662
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: There's so much great one and if you can change that,

663
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: that is a very very big thing. And the last,

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Speaker 1: but not least, is Georgie Smith who has created a

665
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Speaker 1: Sense of Home, which is a nonprofit organization based in

666
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: Los Angeles that is dedicated to create homes, community and

667
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: the new beginning for foster youth after exiting the first

668
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: It can which an amazing organization. Amazing So all of

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00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: those four are very important, so please go on DVF

670
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: a world dot com and people's voice, and look at it,

671
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: know about it, vote for it, tell your friend to

672
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: vote for it, and and then get involved if you

673
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: want to. Even just highlighting these four individuals and the

674
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: great work they're doing is giving them a much higher profile.

675
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: I feel bad because I would like to vote for

676
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: all of them because you know, honestly, they're all doing

677
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: extraordinary ordinary. But by the way, by giving them exposure,

678
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: then you know, maybe there will be next time on

679
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: the CNN hero on this one, on that one. That's

680
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: that's what we do, and that's and and we all

681
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: like a family. So please vote. And you know what's

682
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: your reaction to this me too moment times up in Hollywood,

683
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: to this whole movement to overcome sexual assault and harassment? Um,

684
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: there was you know you gave and say, there was

685
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: a quote you gave that struck me where you said

686
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: a lot of men, including my husband, say, oh, but

687
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: men won't be able to flirt. Yeah. Okay. So, first

688
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: of all, when I grew up part of the generation

689
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: that you just assumed that if you were a woman,

690
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: you had your periods every month and you constantly will

691
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: get groped. That's it. That's just part of as sure

692
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: as the monthly cycle. I mean, that's just part of

693
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: being a woman. And so you manage yourself and you

694
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: did the best you can, and you defended yourself and

695
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: as I did, and whatever, and and and you never

696
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: even mentioned the stories to anyone, because what's the point,

697
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: you know. But I was also lucky in the sense

698
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: that I only had three bosses before I was I

699
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: started my own business. And sure, indeed they all tried

700
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: to seduce me, and some in a more cavalier way

701
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: than others, but very quickly I was my own boss.

702
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: So I never dealt with the pressure of being in

703
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: a job that I liked, that I was good at,

704
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: that I had to pay my my bills. I have

705
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: children at home, and I was afraid my boss would

706
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: rest me and I couldn't say anything because if I

707
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: said anything, they would say that I'm completely so I

708
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: never really So I think that what has happened is great.

709
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: Does it have collateral damage, Yes, do people come out

710
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: and say things that were for sure, But if you

711
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: compare the collateral damage to the amount of harassment that

712
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: has been it's nothing. And I think that now you know,

713
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: the genie came out of the of the bottle and

714
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: it's not going back. And I think that it is

715
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 1: very important and I'm all for it and I think that,

716
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: but again, you know, we have to be careful. Like

717
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: my husband actually gets offended when I wear this shirt

718
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: in charge, you know, and yet he's so understanding and

719
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: completely supportive and he's never made me feel small and everything.

720
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: But he said you should say in charge and vulnerable.

721
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: I say no, I don't want to say charge and valerable.

722
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: That's so funny. I know why because because it is,

723
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: because it's an adjustment and they take it in an

724
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: aggressive way. And by the way, being in charge doesn't

725
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: mean that, you know, I'm constantly in the driving scene.

726
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: Being in charge is being in charge of your vulnerability

727
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: as well. It's just you know, just make sure that

728
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: you are in charge of you. When you think about

729
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: change though, and this is something that I think a

730
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: lot about, in addition to awareness and attention to speaking out,

731
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: what positive policy change ages, what positive changes can come

732
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: from this movement that will actually really well, more change

733
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: to the equation equality first and more more, how do

734
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: you achieve that More women in office, for sure, more

735
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: women in leadership roles? Yes, and more in equal pay

736
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: and just equality. You know, the problem is women are stronger,

737
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: so we have to Sorry, Brian, it's true, and I know,

738
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: so when we become equal, you know, it's it's we

739
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: just have to make sure that you know, we I

740
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: mean men just say okay, maybe we should do honor men,

741
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean they it's very threatening two men.

742
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: I worry too because I had someone say to me

743
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: her husband, she's a doctor, husband's a very successful businessman,

744
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: and she said, my husband told me he will never

745
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: mentor I young woman again. And that just broke my

746
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: heart because now there's so much concern. Yes, but but

747
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: I know, but that is part of the collateral damage,

748
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and maybe a short term response

749
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: maybe on the business woman on the business trip. We

750
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: don't take the women. But that's why we need women

751
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: in management, because then it's their decision. You mentioned Barry,

752
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: and I just have to ask you about him. You

753
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: all have been married since two thousand one, and I

754
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: didn't realize until I reread the book that you all

755
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: actually knew each other in your early thirties. Oh we

756
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: fell in love. I wasn't thirty years you were in

757
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: your late twenties and he was thirty two and I

758
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: know thirty three. And yes, we fell in love and

759
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: very much so. And we stayed together for five years

760
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: and then I left and but we stayed always very

761
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: close and somehow we knew we would end up together.

762
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: And we always knew that. And what is about him?

763
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: You dedicate this book to him for protecting all of you,

764
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: you know, your children and the people you love, and

765
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: and what is it about this relationship that makes it

766
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: work so? Well? Listen, it's very mysterious relationships as so mysterious.

767
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: Barry was first my lover, then my friend and my husband. Uh,

768
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: he has failed so many roles. He's been in my

769
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: life for so long. I mean he has known my

770
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: children since they were tiny, so you know, I gave

771
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: him a family. Uh, it's it's and now it's just

772
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: so obvious, you know. Now it's like forty five years

773
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: that we know each other. Wow, I mean, it's it's

774
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: so But we always knew very early in in in

775
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: our relationship. We he came to the country and we

776
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: were driving back to New York and h and Barry

777
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: drives very fast and then he has to slow down

778
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: to let this very very old couple across the street,

779
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: and they were helping each other and holding each other,

780
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: and in a very weird way, both of us at

781
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: the same time looked at that couple and knew that

782
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: one day we would be that couple. And we both

783
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: remember that image completely vividly. The only thing we disagree

784
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: on he thought, he thinks it's Madison Avenue, and I

785
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: know it wasn't Lexington Avenue. In your book, you wrote

786
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: his friends were incredulous. No one had known him with

787
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: a woman before. Yeah, yeah, no it was. He was

788
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: incredulous too, And but it was real love. I mean

789
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: it was and now we know how that it was

790
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: real love. And you know, it's only when you look

791
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: back and you see and and this unconditional love, and it's, uh,

792
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: it's been amazing. I never thought that would I mean,

793
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: I kind of knew it would end up together, but

794
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: I didn't really know that it would be so meaningful.

795
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: In in in in our Lives. You said recently to

796
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: our old Yahoo colleague Josie that every marriage is open,

797
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: or should be. And I just thought about that for

798
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: a second. My my wife is not going to be

799
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: thrilled with that. What does it mean open. Well, what

800
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: does it mean to you? You're the one who said it.

801
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: Oh but I said that with my first marriage. Uh yeah,

802
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean maybe you were refraining to you at first.

803
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: I was that was a little defensives. And yeah, but

804
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: everything should be open. I mean everything should be open. Marriage,

805
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: not marriage, you, yourself, everything. I mean, I'm very transparent

806
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: and I don't lie, so as a result, I can't

807
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: be blackmail abone. And you feel very strongly about the

808
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: lying thing that the lying, Yeah, that really struck me reading.

809
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: I would not allow lying in in my families ever, ever, ever, ever,

810
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: lie ever lie. I hate lies. I don't lie. I

811
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: never will lie. That was very clear. But then you

812
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: become you know, very kilful as as you know sometimes

813
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: of how to say the truth. You never say a

814
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: white line like you know, if somebody says, does this

815
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: make me look fat? You say no, it's not the

816
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: dress that makes no. I want to say, I wouldn't

817
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: say that's just me. That's not being honest. Well, it's

818
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: so inspiring to just sit here with you, and I

819
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: love that you embrace every age. You're my role model

820
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: and really striving at every age. And here you are

821
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: seventy one, and when you look at the next decade, Dione,

822
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: what what do you see as your goal and your

823
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: passion and your life. Well, right now I am transforming

824
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: the business model of my company and so that I

825
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: can put it in good hands so that it can

826
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Speaker 1: go on its own. And I want really to focus

827
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: on on on my voice and making a difference and

828
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: helping out and and and using using my voice and

829
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: using my experience and using my connections to make to

830
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: make it a better a better wound. Well, you've done that,

831
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: I think almost all your life, really well, but certainly

832
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: more in the last decade. You do more as you

833
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: get older. I mean, for sure, and and and and

834
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: it's normal that's what you do. But because you have

835
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: more experience, and actually you have more of a voice,

836
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: because when you're very young you say, well, who am

837
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: I to say that? Right? I mean, now I feel

838
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: like I've earned it, you know I've earned it with

839
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: yours have you? I've earned it with experience. I've learned,

840
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: with making mistakes and having successes. And you have nothing

841
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: left to prove but everything to give. Yeah, you still

842
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: have a lot to prove. You want to ask the

843
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: listener question before sure, this young man called. He was

844
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: hyper ventilating, Dion that we were talking to you. His

845
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: name is Drew Shemily. He's from Indianapolis. He honestly, I

846
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: thought he was going to have a heart attack. But

847
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: he has a very sort of fashion question. What does

848
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: Dion think of the se now, Buy now model that's

849
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: popped up? He said, Designers traditionally show their collections before production.

850
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: With see now, Buy Now, though the closes are available

851
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: to buy immediately after they appear on the runway. No,

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Speaker 1: I think that the I'm the one who raised that

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Speaker 1: years ago as the head of the cd A, because

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00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: with social media and with influences and all of that,

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Speaker 1: it was very very confusing for the consumer to see

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00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: things out there and then to go to the shop

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Speaker 1: and see something entirely different. So the gap had to

858
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Speaker 1: to merge. So I think it is very important that

859
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: when you, I mean for us right now, as a company,

860
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: we decided that we put the woman at the center

861
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: of everything we do, and therefore when we show something,

862
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: we message it at the same time and people and

863
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's or it's a month later, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's not so because before it was all for trade.

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Speaker 1: The fashion shows used to be for trade, so you

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Speaker 1: maybe you maybe you would only see one picture and

867
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Speaker 1: that was it. But now it's no longer like you

868
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: would see things six to nine months before they're available,

869
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, wait, what, there's winter, So that's

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Speaker 1: why you have to It's but but that's all part

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Speaker 1: of the you know, the disruption of the digital one.

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Speaker 1: So Drew, there you go. Dione answered your question. I

873
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: know you're going to be very excited and and my

874
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: final question is incredibly shallow. But I love the way

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Speaker 1: that you don't do stuff to your face because I

876
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: watched the Oscars and I thought, some of those ladies,

877
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: you can't get a match near them, you know what

878
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, I don't know. I I look

879
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: at that too, and then I said, I appreciate it,

880
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: and what But in a weird way, I kind of

881
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: find interesting what time does to you and what time

882
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: does to your face that all of a sudden you

883
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: have this that you didn't have before, but it's there

884
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: because of so much expression that you had. So I

885
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 1: know that I'm probably people probably look at me and say,

886
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: why why she do things? I love it? Can I

887
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: just say I love it, and I look beautiful, by

888
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: the way. I don't know about that, but it's it's

889
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: just a decision and whatever. But I wish more women

890
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: would do this, because I think what's hard for women

891
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: is when they don't age naturally. Of course, in a year,

892
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: I'll probably come in with looking like I'm pulling five

893
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: gees from a facelift. I'm getting it. I don't think so,

894
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: but I don't. I think people aren't used to seeing

895
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: people look natural, and so as a result, they're they're

896
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: they're almost conditioned have Lothian style to see women's feelings

897
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: that and then everybody starts to love everything but is upholsted.

898
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: But I don't judge, and you can leave that to me.

899
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's listen, this is my choice, and at

900
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: this point that's my choice. And and and then and

901
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: then you get to be that old and then all

902
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: of a sudden becomes interesting again. And and uh, I mean,

903
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: what I don't understand is people who say, oh, you

904
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: don't look your age. I don't tell me that. Tell

905
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: me you look great for your age. That's a compliment,

906
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: But you don't look your age. I am my age.

907
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: I've lived every single day so fully. I deserve to

908
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: be my age. I cannot. I don't want not to

909
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: be my age. I just want to be the best

910
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: of what I can in my age. It's so weird.

911
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean, when children are little, Oh you're eight years old, Great,

912
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna be ten. Oh, you're twelve, and then all

913
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, you stop celebrating that you

914
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: are getting older. It's it's it's a very odd thing.

915
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: I try to celebrate and I try to be incredibly

916
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: transparent that I'm sixty one years old, and I'm okay

917
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, sometimes I'm like, the only thing

918
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: that upsets me is that I don't want to stop,

919
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't want to die. Well, I mean,

920
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 1: but if you were told, let me tell you something,

921
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: if you somebody told me that I would never die,

922
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: I think that really would confuse me. I don't think

923
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: I would like that at all. So you're not afraid

924
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: at all of death. I wanted to be the longest

925
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: away from me than possible. But I think that to

926
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: know that you will die is giving more value to

927
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 1: your life. Before we go, Can I ask one thing

928
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: that maybe a little funny Barbara streisand got a lot

929
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: of attention for announcing that she had cloned her dog.

930
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: You also cloned your dog. Well, my husband closing these songs?

931
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: How about that? And you know who knows? I said,

932
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: I would joke that maybe he's cloning me. Maybe there's

933
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: a twelve year lady somewhere. We should all be so lucky.

934
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: Dion on fer Senburgh, thank you. This was so fun.

935
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: I love seeing you. Thanks, Thank you well. Folks. Up

936
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Speaker 1: marks the end of our show and the finale of

937
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: our wonder women's series. It was fun, wasn't it. Brian

938
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 1: only men from now on? That's enough of the women,

939
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: only white men, right, perfect? So I really liked working

940
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: on our first series for the show, and I don't

941
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: think it's going to be our last. Yeah, we'd love

942
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: to get ideas from other folks. What would they like

943
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: to have a deep dive on. I'm no, we're thinking

944
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: about doing a series on cancer, and there's so many

945
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: other topics that deserve I think not just one podcast,

946
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: but several podcasts. So we'd love to hear from you.

947
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: What are you all interested in? Because we're here not

948
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: only to feed our own curiosities, but also to serve you.

949
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: That's right. We're here to serve you, help us, help you,

950
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: and leave us a message with your ideas for new

951
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: series at nine to nine, two to four, four, six,

952
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: three seven or comments at kirk podcast dot com. By

953
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: the way, we oh big thank you to Dion von

954
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: Fersenburgh and her entire staff for hosting us at her

955
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: beautiful office for this episode. Thanks also to Gianna Palmer,

956
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: our producer, our audio engineer, Charod O'Connell, our assistant producer,

957
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: Nora Richie. What can I say, It takes a village people.

958
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: Also my assistant Beth Demaz, who I don't know. I

959
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: couldn't get dressed in the morning without bath, much less

960
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: figure out how to get anywhere literally Bena over at

961
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: Katie Kirk Media, Alison Bresnik, who takes my Instagram stories

962
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: by storm with a little help from me. If you

963
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: ever wonder though, who's holding the camera, usually it is

964
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: Allison Mark Phillips or at our theme music. And you

965
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: can find Katie on social media under Katie Kurk me

966
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Goldsmith b. Katie Kurik and I are

967
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: the show's executive producers and don't forget to leave us

968
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: your reviews on Apple Podcasts. Everyone. It really does help

969
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: more people to find the show, so we would appreciate

970
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: a review. Five stars would be nice. Brian and I

971
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: will be away next week recording some special episodes for

972
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: you at south By Southwest in Austin, Texas. I'm very excited.

973
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: I've never been there, and while we're there, we're going

974
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: to be rebroadcasting an episode of one of our favorite podcasts,

975
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: director Ava du Verney. I'm excited to see her new film,

976
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: A Wrinkle in Time, which is out March nine, and

977
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: she's certainly of the moment because we talk a lot

978
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: about diversity in Hollywood, about female directors, and that's getting

979
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: a lot of attention these days, and she's very active

980
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: in Time's Up and Me Too and all these movements

981
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: that are transforming the entertainment industry. We'll be back with

982
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: a fresh episode the week after next, so we'll talk

983
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: to you soon. Everyone,