WEBVTT - How Droughts Work

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and Jerry the chairs

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<v Speaker 1>their making copies. Uh, and this is stuff you Should Know.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a classic skit, wouldn't you say? And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the only ones I liked by that guy by

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Schneider. Yeah. I wasn't the biggest fan. Uh. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you see the one We're stinging? He's like staying stingling

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<v Speaker 1>ling ding ding making copies. Yeah, I mean I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>anti Rob Schneider, but I just wasn't like, how could

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<v Speaker 1>you be anti Rob Schneider honestly nobody. It's like being

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<v Speaker 1>mad at like a friendly horse or something. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>that's stupid friendly horse. Yeah. I hate his gutsy Uh

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<v Speaker 1>what a weird intro? Yeah, well, part for their course

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much my friend. Well, although his career has dried up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that was good and vicious. Man. I hope he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't listen before we get into the whole drying up reference. Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>we are long, long, long overdue for giving a huge

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to our Kiva team. Yeah that's right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Several years ago. It feels like many years ago. We

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<v Speaker 1>did a podcast on micro lending and we said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start a Kiva team. Kiva is a international lending

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<v Speaker 1>organization micro lending where they pair you with people. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>they it's all over the world. Now you need money

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<v Speaker 1>on a small basis, you loan them the money. You

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<v Speaker 1>can get paid back and pull your money back out,

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<v Speaker 1>or you can reload it. And we have a very

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<v Speaker 1>active team. And let's hear some numbers. Okay, so um,

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<v Speaker 1>our team captain Glenn of Glenn and Sonya team captain

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<v Speaker 1>Fame sent us some stats recently. We have the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know. Team has eight thousand, four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three members great as as of July thirty one. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>how much have we loaned so far? Are you ready

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<v Speaker 1>for this? We need a drum roll, Jerry? Can we

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<v Speaker 1>put in some sort of drum roll effect or at

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<v Speaker 1>Wilhelm scream or something like that? All right, Okay, that's nice,

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<v Speaker 1>that's very good. Here we go three million, two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty one thousand, twenty five dollars. Dude, that is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's out of a hundred and seventeen thousand, five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty nine loans, which is a total thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>point nine loans per member. I don't know how people

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<v Speaker 1>are doing like nine tenths of a loan, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>impressive in and of itself. Yeah, so what that means

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<v Speaker 1>is people get repaid and they just kind of do

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<v Speaker 1>what I think we do was just kind of roll

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<v Speaker 1>that into another loan. Yeah, you relan it. They make

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<v Speaker 1>great gifts. I think at least one person sent you

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<v Speaker 1>a Cheva gift card to congratulate you and Emily on

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby Rose. That's right, And that's always a nice thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do at holiday times or birthdays whenever. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not too late to join, like we're not like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're new to the team. Like it's a very supportive,

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<v Speaker 1>great team and again, like you said, very active. You

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<v Speaker 1>can go to kiva dot org slash teams I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it's plural slash stuff you should know, or just search

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you should know on kiva dot org and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>bring up our team and you can join and be

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<v Speaker 1>embraced by our teammates. That's right. Yeah, So thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn Sonia as always for nudging us in the right

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<v Speaker 1>direction and keeping up with the stats. Big help and

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<v Speaker 1>um and congratulations to a team on getting the three

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<v Speaker 1>point to five million dollars and change and loans. Absolutely okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So droughts, huh, Rob Snyder Kiva droughts the natural progression

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<v Speaker 1>of things. Don't forget sting was in there. Um, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk droughts their serious thing. Yeah, I mean it's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's natural disaster is what it is. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>Although so Robert Lamb wrote this article that that forms

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<v Speaker 1>the basis of this in part. Yeah, Robert of us

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<v Speaker 1>to blow your mind award winning stuff, to blow your mind. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to work. Congratulations. Um. The heat points out

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<v Speaker 1>that droughts are fairly natural. There's a lot of debate

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<v Speaker 1>over whether climate change exacerbates droughts. Um, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, droughts are natural. They're seasonal, they're temporal. They

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<v Speaker 1>come and go or in some cases they just stay

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<v Speaker 1>and then you got a desert and it's it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a natural disaster when you apply humanity to it. Kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like do you remember those overhead projectors and they

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<v Speaker 1>would have transparencies, so there could be like different they

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<v Speaker 1>could overlay stuff, so so you have drought transparency, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just whatever. But then you overlay humanity on it and

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<v Speaker 1>then it becomes a natural disaster. Yeah, I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was a pretty good point actually, when that Robert made

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<v Speaker 1>um in and of itself. If there were no humans,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be a drought. Um. The land would dry

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<v Speaker 1>up in certain regions, Animals would leave because there's no water.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like who cares not humans, Vegetation would die

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<v Speaker 1>or the few animals that could stay would stay, and

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<v Speaker 1>the few plants that could still grow would grow, and

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<v Speaker 1>then that would just be the new ecosystem, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then no big potentially, if it wasn't permanent, it would

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<v Speaker 1>shift back and the the the life would come back

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<v Speaker 1>to the area. But again, humans, like you said, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>give a big whoop if it wasn't for humans living everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>growing crops everywhere, and using tons and tons of water

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<v Speaker 1>mostly to grow those crops. So we've talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>again and again, but um, if what I saw the

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<v Speaker 1>most recent stead I came across, of the global supply

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<v Speaker 1>of fresh water is used to irrigate crops, and of

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<v Speaker 1>that only half is reused, is captured and reused, So

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<v Speaker 1>that means we lose a lot of water to agriculture,

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<v Speaker 1>and agriculture is kind of leaky, you could put it

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<v Speaker 1>that way. Um. And the fact that we try to

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<v Speaker 1>grow crops everywhere and use a bunch of the freshwater

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<v Speaker 1>creates this kind of vicious cycle that exacerbates droughts or

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<v Speaker 1>at the very least, UM makes our reliance on climate

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<v Speaker 1>to not be droughty really really, um really important. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I just put a lot of words together and their

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<v Speaker 1>sense in there somewhere it makes total sense. Like, just

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<v Speaker 1>go back and listen to that last sense a few

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<v Speaker 1>times everybody. They'll finally come through. Uh. It is serious business, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and very sad and devastating. Between fifty and a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people uh died in two thousand eleven in East

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<v Speaker 1>Africa with their drought, and right here in the US

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<v Speaker 1>we have suffered through uh some pretty rough drought here

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<v Speaker 1>in the last fifty years, um. And two thousand twelve

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<v Speaker 1>they said it was the worst conditions in fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>And corn production. Uh, you put a dent in corn production,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna put a debt in the world markets. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big deal. America runs on corn in the

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<v Speaker 1>worldun con donuts, even dunking donuts have corn in them.

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<v Speaker 1>The world to a certain degree runs on America's corn too, Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Yeah, And when um something

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<v Speaker 1>like corn, as we'll see, agriculture gets hit by drought obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and when it gets hit by drought, because of the

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<v Speaker 1>globalized marketplace that we live in today, when food prices

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<v Speaker 1>go up, some of the poorer countries get priced out

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<v Speaker 1>of the market and they see things like food riots

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<v Speaker 1>and starvation and all sorts of bad stuff. So droughts

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<v Speaker 1>have like terrible effects. It's a snowball effect. And it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like I don't I don't know if it's getting

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<v Speaker 1>worse and if it is getting worse worse, if it's

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<v Speaker 1>anthropogenic or whatever, But there, okay. Texas. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eleven, Texas had the driest year since, which happened

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<v Speaker 1>to be the year it started recording this kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>so it has it's the driest year on record for Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Two third California had the driest to your own record

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to the ridiculously resilient ridge UM, and Australia went

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<v Speaker 1>through what's called the Millennium drought from two thousand nine,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a terrible drought. They actually, like some places

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<v Speaker 1>like Melbourne actually um figured out how to live in

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<v Speaker 1>drought conditions to survive and actually keep going pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of people are studying what Melbourne did

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<v Speaker 1>because they did it so well. That's because Australians are

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<v Speaker 1>resourceful and smart people, very resourceful, you know, but not

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<v Speaker 1>smart and smart. Okay, I wasn't saying anything. I'm just kidding,

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<v Speaker 1>rubbing my eye. I got distracted. So uh well, we

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<v Speaker 1>even here in Georgia, we had a pretty wicked drought.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember two or three years ago. Do you remember the

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<v Speaker 1>governor like lead a prayer circle praying for rain and

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<v Speaker 1>it rained? Did it rain? It did rain? And uh

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that part now it rained, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of hullabaloo because they were like, well

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<v Speaker 1>he led the prayer circle on the day where they

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<v Speaker 1>call it for like, did it ring? They were praying

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<v Speaker 1>because that would be kind of cool, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cool. I don't think that's what happened though, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do remember that. Yeah, man, there's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with that. Pray for rain, do your rain dance. There

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<v Speaker 1>was talk of war between Georgia and Tennessee, and Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>said we have guns. Yeah, And Georgia said, we have guns.

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<v Speaker 1>We have guns too, yeah, And there's a tense standoff,

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<v Speaker 1>and we left and went to New York City, where

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<v Speaker 1>there are no guns. We had something on the books already. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk to the basics of drought. UM. Drought

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<v Speaker 1>is obviously when it doesn't rain enough to sustain uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the ecosystem like it should. It's basically you're losing water

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<v Speaker 1>through evaporation, which is when water vaporizes or transporation, when

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<v Speaker 1>water moves, you know, through the soil and through the

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<v Speaker 1>plants and then leaves, and it's not so useful to us, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're losing water faster faster than it's being replenished. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a drought. And again this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>all viewed through the lens of humanity. Like water isn't

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<v Speaker 1>lost when it goes through the soil. It is to

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<v Speaker 1>us until we get it out of an awkwifer that's

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<v Speaker 1>being replenished. Um. But it's not necessarily lost unless you

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<v Speaker 1>really look at it through the human lens. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are many many factors that go into whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not a drought occurs and how long it lasts. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are a few immediate causes. One is high pressure zones. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Sinking air means you get a high pressure zone, which

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<v Speaker 1>means you have clear skies and warmer temperatures. And if

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<v Speaker 1>that stalls over a region, then UM more water is

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<v Speaker 1>going to evaporate, so that is gonna exacerbate the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the ridiculously resilient ridge over California. UM. From

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<v Speaker 1>I think two, it was just this high pressure zone

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<v Speaker 1>that just said I'm sticking around here for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only was it did it lead to like

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<v Speaker 1>high temperatures and low humidity because it's a high pressure zone. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it also blocked tropical cyclones that normally are brought to

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<v Speaker 1>California by the westerlies. It just shot him up toward

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<v Speaker 1>the Arctic or down towards Mexico and California for two

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<v Speaker 1>different reasons, didn't get precipitation, and it's still in a

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<v Speaker 1>pickle as a result. Well, usually when you have a

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<v Speaker 1>prolonged drought, you can point to a number of factors,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ironically a perfect storm that causes no storm.

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<v Speaker 1>Another reason is UM air pollution. UH, there's a decade

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<v Speaker 1>long study completed I think in two thousand thirteen UM

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<v Speaker 1>from the University of Maryland h go terps UH and

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<v Speaker 1>they found that air air particulate, which UH is pollution

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<v Speaker 1>dusts at sulfates UM produces more UH intense storms and

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<v Speaker 1>wet areas, or it leads to more intense storms and

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<v Speaker 1>wet areas and reduces rain and drier areas. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>just again exacerbates whatever is normally going on there. It

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<v Speaker 1>creates weather extremes, creates weather extremes. That's a great way

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<v Speaker 1>to say it. That's weird though, because so particulate matter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to figure this out, so the they don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>the mechanism is uncertain, so there is no answer. If

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<v Speaker 1>that was your question, I'm abandoning figuring it out. Then UH.

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<v Speaker 1>And then here in the southeast one causes wind blowing

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<v Speaker 1>inward from the ocean is usually good thing because that

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<v Speaker 1>brings in from the Atlantic on the eastern seaboard, brings

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<v Speaker 1>in warm, humid temperatures and UH in the summertime. And

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<v Speaker 1>if they shift or weaken, then they're going to bring

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<v Speaker 1>in less moisture and less rainfall. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>is what happened was a wind shift, and uh, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>it was we had our drought, wind was it was,

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<v Speaker 1>It may have been something like that around then. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was fairly severe. Um. I just remember

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<v Speaker 1>all the lakes were way down and they I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we got to the point where they were had

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<v Speaker 1>forced rationing, but they were advising everyone and asking everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to be better Stewart's It was a big deal. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was really nervous. I think the lake where Atlantic gets

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<v Speaker 1>his fresh art was down like twelve feet or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. There was serious stuff. Um did you you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about like like changes in um in different areas

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<v Speaker 1>from did you did you mention Lno? Do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>that Chris Farley when he was El Nino back in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties. It's like, I am el Nino, which means

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<v Speaker 1>the Nino in Spanish, so you know what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I sort of remember that. There's a documentary on about

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<v Speaker 1>him now, which I'm eager to see. I haven't checked that.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot about that. I want to see that as well. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so El Nino is actually um named for little baby Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that? I did not know that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>back in the sixteen hundred Spanish fishermen um off the

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<v Speaker 1>coast of Mexico. UM named it El Nino because it

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<v Speaker 1>was this weird arrival of really warm water in December

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<v Speaker 1>in the winter months. They're like, oh, well, obviously it's

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<v Speaker 1>the christ Child, so they named it El Nino. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is when there's warmer than average water temperatures in

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<v Speaker 1>the tropics around like basically off the coast of Mexico, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and those warm the air and create wetter than average

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<v Speaker 1>conditions in some parts of the US and other parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the world, and drier than average conditions in the

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<v Speaker 1>other parts. And then there's the reverse of that, La Nina.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, and that's colder than average temperatures of those

0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.560
<v Speaker 1>places that normally get wetter than normal and drier than

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<v Speaker 1>normal are flip flopped. But either way you get extreme

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<v Speaker 1>weather events like floods and droughts from this. And they

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<v Speaker 1>aren't exactly certain what creates this, just that they're pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure it's natural. Yeah, well, actually they do have a

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<v Speaker 1>decent idea. UM. In two thousand three, something happened, which

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing happened in the nineteen fifties when we

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<v Speaker 1>suffered a pretty bad drought in the US. Uh, there

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<v Speaker 1>were there are two ocean cycles that basically flip flopped,

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Decadal oscillation and the Atlantic multi decadal oscillation.

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<v Speaker 1>And these things flip back and forth basically over time,

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<v Speaker 1>and they cause either more rain or less rain. And

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<v Speaker 1>the p d O is what causes the shift in

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<v Speaker 1>those surface ocean temperatures. So what what causes the shift

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific decatal oscillation? Okay, so but what caused these

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<v Speaker 1>things to flip flop? Well, they just flip flop periodically

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<v Speaker 1>over over time. Basically. Um, I don't buy that though,

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<v Speaker 1>Like something makes those things flip flop. Well, yeah, maybe so,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, that's what I want to answers.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people probably say that's just the cycle of nature.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, so that's a cop out. But they say

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<v Speaker 1>that every twenty to thirty years, Uh, this is gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you combine them with with other factors, is

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<v Speaker 1>it basically gives everything a boost? Is and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>creates an Yeah, that's what they think. It's more like

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<v Speaker 1>it works in concert with El Nino and Lennia. So

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<v Speaker 1>these things have happened at the same time, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the reason California is in such a droute right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have the warrn p d O plus El

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<v Speaker 1>Nino means it's gonna be wetter and cooler. Uh p

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<v Speaker 1>d O plus Lninia equals dryer and uh laninia is

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<v Speaker 1>influenced by the trade winds basically blowing on top of

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<v Speaker 1>the water. I think you already said that. It just

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<v Speaker 1>like circulates that water and the deep water comes up

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<v Speaker 1>to the purpose. Yes, chili, yeah, from chili or it's

0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:10.320
<v Speaker 1>chili water, chili water. So um, chuck. There's different categories

0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:15.040
<v Speaker 1>or people loved categorize stuff, right and um, there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>different categories of the categories for droughts. A little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a brain buster, but um, you can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>subdivide the categories for droughts into um, geographical or seasonal

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions and then descriptions of drought severity. Right. So with

0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.399
<v Speaker 1>the geographical or seasonal description, it's kind of like, here's

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<v Speaker 1>an area, and this is the kind of drought conditions

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<v Speaker 1>you can expect. So there is a permanent drout, which

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<v Speaker 1>is basically what you think of with the desert. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a place that gets a minimal amount of precipitation and

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<v Speaker 1>it never catches up to the amount of evaporation or

0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Transporation's right, So that's just it's just always dry there,

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<v Speaker 1>permanent drought. It's an arid, climb air climate. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then next you have seasonal drought, which is like a

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<v Speaker 1>drought comes dry conditions come on a predictable um calendar. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like the dry season of the wet season in the country. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Those two are pretty standard. Um, no big surprises there.

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<v Speaker 1>But the next couple, Um, you almost said no big

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<v Speaker 1>whoop again? Almost did you saw that? My mouth went

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<v Speaker 1>Unpredictable drought is when there are irregular dry spells where

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<v Speaker 1>it's usually humid or rainy. Um. And then invisible drought.

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<v Speaker 1>I had never heard of that. I think that's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when it is raining and you think, how can

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<v Speaker 1>we be in a drought because it's raining. It just

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<v Speaker 1>means it's it's too hot probably and it's not raining

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<v Speaker 1>enough because too much evaporation and transporations going on. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's invisible to the naked eye. It's like being skinny

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<v Speaker 1>fat to where you like you're the thin on the outside,

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<v Speaker 1>but your liver's got a ton of fat. All over it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you're gonna talk about the people that have

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<v Speaker 1>like really thin faces but from the neck and they

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<v Speaker 1>have weight. No, I hate those people. Oh, chuck, you're

0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.880
<v Speaker 1>going to get some mail for that. No, I hate

0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:09.560
<v Speaker 1>those people. I'm jealous of those people because I have

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<v Speaker 1>a big, fat face. Like, there's no picture I can take.

0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I could show my legs or my arms, and people say,

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<v Speaker 1>what a thin guy. You know, I think you look great,

0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.080
<v Speaker 1>but everything from my nose to my waist gives me away.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do that. I canna start posting pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>my legs in my arms like Danny DeVito, he always

0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.320
<v Speaker 1>does the troll foot that still have a nice, small,

0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.959
<v Speaker 1>tiny butt too. We've all noticed. I'm gonna take pictures

0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of that. It's the talk of the office. Um, everyone's

0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.960
<v Speaker 1>pictures of yourself. Everyone's body is fine. I'm not body shaming,

0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.359
<v Speaker 1>all right, that's good. What I'm saying is I'm jealous

0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.800
<v Speaker 1>of people with thin faces. All So, we got we

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<v Speaker 1>got one category down, which describes like a region in area,

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<v Speaker 1>although invisible drought doesn't really fit into that. But what

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<v Speaker 1>als okay? Um the next group of categories. Um man,

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<v Speaker 1>I sound like we're we're using an overhead projector this

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<v Speaker 1>is this dry, it's appropriately dry for the drought episode. Well,

0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:09.760
<v Speaker 1>you have to go through these, you know, it's part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Okay, So the other these these categories make

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. They described like the severity of a drought, right,

0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:18.800
<v Speaker 1>and you can pretty much go from one to the

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<v Speaker 1>other and it makes sense. So like a meteorological drought,

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<v Speaker 1>it basically says that you know, this week, this this

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<v Speaker 1>time last year, we had about an inch and a

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<v Speaker 1>half more rain than we got this year so far,

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<v Speaker 1>no big whoop. Basically, my brother in law also named Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>would notice this kind of thing because he's a little

0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 1>bit of a weather bug. Yeah, I like weather bugs. Okay,

0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.720
<v Speaker 1>well you would like Josh, and he's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>few things, a few people besides like maybe a meteorologist

0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:54.960
<v Speaker 1>who would notice this, which is why it's called the

0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.640
<v Speaker 1>meteorological drought. That's right, Like you would have to be

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<v Speaker 1>really paying attention to even notice that. That's right. Okay,

0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:05.879
<v Speaker 1>that's stage one. Yes, Stage two is an agricultural drought,

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and that is when you're talking about crops and agriculture

0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:11.399
<v Speaker 1>is going to be one of the first industries are

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the world affected by drought obviously, so this

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<v Speaker 1>is when farmers are starting to notice. You might hear

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<v Speaker 1>a news blurb or two if there had been drought

0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.520
<v Speaker 1>in the news, but it still hasn't. Like you're not

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<v Speaker 1>walking around the streets talking about it yet. No, just

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<v Speaker 1>farmers and Josh are speaking to one another about the drought.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, what's next, Josh, the hydrological drought. This is

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<v Speaker 1>when like we start to notice, and that's when you're like, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to my lake house this weekend and it's

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<v Speaker 1>all ugly. Yeah, like play red muddy junk everywhere. I

0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:50.080
<v Speaker 1>can see the submerged buildings. The underwater cities are visible,

0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:52.400
<v Speaker 1>like in Lakelander. You know there's a town down there?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, you didn't know that. I don't think

0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.400
<v Speaker 1>so there's a town down there. When Lake Lanar gets

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:00.320
<v Speaker 1>low enough you can see it. You can see a

0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Gulf seventies six sign sticking up out of the lake. Yeah,

0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.920
<v Speaker 1>like the old like ball one that's orange with the blue.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the town like some part of Buford or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. Interesting, you didn't know there's a town and

0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:19.320
<v Speaker 1>under lake Lin hear I didn't. Didn't that Creepsville about creepy?

0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.719
<v Speaker 1>It's creepy. I think it's cool. I mean if there

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.800
<v Speaker 1>were people living down there with gills, that was creepy.

0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.359
<v Speaker 1>So the point is, Chuck, that we notice the people

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<v Speaker 1>with gills. Notice everybody starts to notice the hydrological drought.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the talk of town. Um. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>next step is where it gets really really bad socioeconomic drought.

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<v Speaker 1>This is when the government tends to step in and say,

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<v Speaker 1>you who have odd number um addresses can water on

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday's Thursdays. Those of you with even addresses can water

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday Wednesdays. Or it can flip flop. It depends

0:22:56.560 --> 0:23:01.920
<v Speaker 1>on your local government. True, isn't that set in stone? Right?

0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 1>But the point is is, Um, there are now restrictions

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.920
<v Speaker 1>taking place. There are now things being enforced. Their people

0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:10.679
<v Speaker 1>are are being asked to cut back, and and the

0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.000
<v Speaker 1>reason why is because there you're we're seeing a real

0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 1>effect like through the economy. Yeah, like Robert points out,

0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 1>something I've never really thought of. A tourism of course,

0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 1>is gonna dry up with the water in some places.

0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:28.879
<v Speaker 1>UH food shortages, UM shipping maybe affected, UH imports and exports,

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<v Speaker 1>and in less developed parts of the world, that can

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:34.959
<v Speaker 1>be really bad. Here in the US it may just

0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 1>mean socioeconomic annoyance, but in other parts of the world

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:42.680
<v Speaker 1>that could lead to political unrest and armed conflict and

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.959
<v Speaker 1>panic and disease and like really really bad stuff. Right,

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's socioeconomic drought. And uh, let's take a break

0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.639
<v Speaker 1>and let's talk a little bit about other effects of

0:23:52.720 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 1>drought in the dust bowl right after this, So, Chuck,

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.240
<v Speaker 1>we kind of just gave some overview of like how

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>drought works or how bad it can get. That's right,

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:20.679
<v Speaker 1>So what causes this? I mean, we talked about whether

0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 1>being a factor. Obviously there's not a lot we can

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 1>do with that. You know, we have we have our

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.879
<v Speaker 1>how weather modification works episode that we did and a

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:34.600
<v Speaker 1>TV show based on that too, a TV episode. Um,

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 1>but not everybody agrees that, say, like cloud seating works.

0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Some people say it really really works, other people say

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't really work. Yeah, we talked about cloud seating

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 1>a couple of times. I think it's been used, um

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 1>to affect during wartime to wash out trails. Supposedly, Yeah,

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.440
<v Speaker 1>yea right, that's what they say. But what I don't

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 1>know everyone's not convinced. So when it comes to things

0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:02.400
<v Speaker 1>like El Nino or law Nina, as it stands now

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 1>at our primitive technological place in human history, there's not

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 1>much we can do about that. Um. The most we

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 1>can hope to do is really kind of figure out

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.199
<v Speaker 1>what causes drought in other ways and if see if

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>we can do anything about that. And the UM person

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>in the hot seed or the thing in the hot seat,

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 1>as far as that goes right now, is climate change.

0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:30.959
<v Speaker 1>And there's a big debate over um whether we can

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 1>do anything about drought conditions through climate change and all

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>that has to do with CEO two supposedly. Yeah, well,

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 1>between the last five decades, between nineteen fifty and two thousand,

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:47.959
<v Speaker 1>worthy warmest in six hundred years in the United States

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 1>temperature wise, and UM, I'm sorry, I think that's globally,

0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 1>but in the US and the Southwest they are proticting

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<v Speaker 1>a rise um as much as nine degrees by the

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 1>year UM and that as accompanied by the two degree

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 1>two degree one point four degree rise over the past

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 1>one years. So what they think is that as more

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:15.120
<v Speaker 1>and more c O two enters the atmosphere, this rise

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 1>and temperature that it creates from this greenhouse effect, UM

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>will actually create drought like conditions. And one of the

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 1>ways that it will create drought like conditions is by

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 1>creating high pressure areas which remember don't have UM a

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of humidity, they have high temperatures, they're dry conditions,

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and they also UM simultaneously. UM this denser air and

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>dense air above it, right, or warmer air above it

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 1>prevents the air below it from rising, right, because that's

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:50.680
<v Speaker 1>how winds and and UM currents air currents are formed.

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Warm air near the tropics rises and replaces the cooler

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>air to create this cycle. Right, that's right. Well, if

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.639
<v Speaker 1>the air above it is equally warm, the air below

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>can't rise. And when you have a lot of carbon

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.480
<v Speaker 1>dioxide in the atmosphere, that air in the middle I

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:11.400
<v Speaker 1>think in the mesosphere UM stays warm. So you've got

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 1>a big chunk of the atmosphere just hanging out around

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the earth surface. And when the upwelling doesn't happen, you

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>don't have the upwelling action. That also creates thunderstorms and

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 1>generates large amounts of torrential rain, which really helps things

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>when you have droughts. So they think and this is

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>all just a conjecture at this point. But that's the

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:35.920
<v Speaker 1>big explanation for how climate change can lead to drought

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 1>like conditions, and that if we can reduce the amount

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 1>of C O two in the atmosphere, we can conceivably

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 1>reverse those drought like conditions. Well, and don't they think

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>that climate changes in general causes more severe everything like

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 1>your storms and stream flooding and uh so, I mean

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 1>it's definitely something to consider. Yeah, sure, try to tiptoe

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 1>around this one. Is there is a debate? Not really No, No,

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>it's basically fraudulent. Whether there's a debate over whether climate

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:10.120
<v Speaker 1>change is real. The climate change is real, like almost

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>all scientific consensus is that it's a human cost or not,

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>and whether we can do anything about it. There is

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.920
<v Speaker 1>there no debate about any of that. No, there's debate still,

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>but it's not real debate, Like the scientific community is

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 1>generally in in agreement that there is climate change and

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>that it is a real problem. Um, I don't know

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 1>what the consensus is on whether we could do anything

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 1>about it. I think probably most people would say we

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>should at least try. It's worth trying. Sure, why wouldn't you, Well,

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people say that you shouldn't because it

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>will affect like economics progress, or say, for example, like China,

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>UM say the US is like, oh, hey, we're laying

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:54.720
<v Speaker 1>off of greenhouse gas emitting stuff and we're getting a

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>little greener. You guys should too, And China would say, well,

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 1>you guys kind of got to this point by spitting

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>a ton of C O two into the atmosphere. It's

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>China's time. Yeah, ghost it over there and be as

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>green as you want, leave us alone. Right. There's a

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of political land mines to two trapes around sure, um,

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 1>and in getting everybody on board to reducing the climate

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>footprint or the carbon footprint of humanity. Yeah. What what

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>riles me is when you see, usually in social media,

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>when someone said, you know, in the wintertime, like the

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>coldest winner that's seen in years. You know, so much

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 1>for global warning, warming, warning, warming, a warning? How about that?

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they should change the name? Is that a Freudian slip?

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>But there's a great video that Neil de grass Tyson does, um,

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>you can find it on YouTube, about the difference between

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>weather and climate because those are two entirely different things.

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>And he does this little thing on the beach with

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>a dog. That's great. And that Neil de grass Tyson

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 1>way with his shirt mostly on. Well he's on the

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>beach of course. Uh, he's got on his clam diggers,

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, his Hawaiian shirts unbuttoned. And he is a

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>cool cat. He is a cool cat. But he um. Yeah,

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 1>he explains it very simply, the difference between weather and climate.

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>So before you go say something dumb like it's super

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 1>cold on in June so there's no global warming, just

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>go watch that video. That's my recommendation. And I want

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>to recommend a book called Merchants of Doubt right now

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm reading, and it's about how, um, the tobacco industry,

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>climate change, DENI all, all this stuff, um is largely

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the result of pr Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, it is a

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>very interesting book actually, and I think there's a documentary

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 1>based on it that just came out to If you

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>don't like reading, who does do? Um? Robert points out

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 1>to in this article, Uh, predicting drought isn't really something

0:30:56.000 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 1>you can do necessarily. Um. You can predict seasonal out

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>a month or so out, and you can, I guess

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>you can predict certain conditions that like right now, they're

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>saying that California is probably in trouble for the next

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty to thirty years. Like, I don't think they see

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>an end in sight because of the various climate factors

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>going on. It's not like, I mean, any rain would help.

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>But it's not like a rainy few weeks here and

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 1>there is going to do make much of an impact, right,

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty scary out there. Well, that's one reason why

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>they're studying, for example, Melbourne, Australia or Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not quite sure how you say it properly. Um,

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>but under this drought, this millennium drought, Melbourne dropped their

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>water usage by like under drought conditions, and they did

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>it through like local recycling programs. Apparently one really effective

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>program was electronic billboards that said, like the shared reservoir

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>is at likeent of capacity right now, Like here's what

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>don't forget what's gonna happen if we all run out

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>of water, So like recycle your water, use gray water

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>to water your plants, that kind of stuff, um, And

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>it worked really really well. They should just do dumb

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>in photographics for Americans as like the water getting lower

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 1>and then like dead people at the bottom. Here's where

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>we're headed. Does it make sense to you now, person

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>watering your lawn and be like Los Angeles, there's a

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of dead people in our reservoir, buried at the bottom.

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I think I two read a little bit about the

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 1>l a drought or Southern California in general, that they're

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>they're not making enough headway with their conservation measures right now,

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Like it's not putty much of a dent into it,

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>like their public campaigns. Yeah, yeah, yeah, selfish people still

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 1>watering their stuff. Well, it's the law of the comments,

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Like supposedly any shared resource people are just like, let

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody else can serve. I'll be I'll be fine, give

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>me everything I need. This little bit doesn't make a difference. Yeah,

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And they were this this article, I think it was

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>a Scientific American article. I was reading about Melbourne being

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>so successful. One of the ways they were being so

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>successful was taking this shared resource, this reservoir and saying,

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>like all of us share this, and it's down to

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>this level. So are you going to be the jerk

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>who like makes a drop even more by taking more

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 1>than your fair share? Um, the one of the jerk

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>that should be their campaign. One of the problems is

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>this California isn't just have a just a single shared reservoir.

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 1>They get their water from a number of different sources. Yeah. Um,

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 1>so that's kind of that that would be tough to

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>like hit that same note with California. Yeah, but as

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>goes California, as goes the US economies, I think, uh

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>some estimates say California is the eighth largest economy in

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the world, the state of California. Oh yeah, so I've

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>heard that before. Dire consequences potentially, So let's take one

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 1>more break, Chuck, and then when we come back, we're

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about dire consequence is indeed from the nineteen

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>thirties in the United States, that's ka the dust Bowl.

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.799
<v Speaker 1>So I teased the dust Bowl in the beginning, and

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 1>then we didn't get to it. But now we're getting

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>to this is just and I became a little uh no,

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>just keeping people on the hook. I became super interested.

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>When I was in Oklahoma recently went to the Woody

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Guthrie Museum in Tulsa, which is great, by the way,

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and they had a whole section on the dust Bowl.

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't know much about it. I mean I

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 1>knew generally it was a drought and dusty, but I

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>hadn't looked into it too much. And since then I've

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>studied on it some and watched the great Ken Burns

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 1>documentary on the dust Bowl. It was very good. You

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 1>know those parts of that um appear in uh Interstellar?

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.919
<v Speaker 1>Oh really with their clips of that, Yeah, I don't remember.

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't. They'd play it like it's people really like Interstellar. No,

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.879
<v Speaker 1>not really. I loved that movie. Yeah, I love it.

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was such a great movie. Yeah, I

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>really didn't like it. I had a lot of problems

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>with it. I loved it. My My biggest problem with

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:25.800
<v Speaker 1>it was just just do the let the viewer figure

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 1>out the movie. Like I felt like every ten minutes

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>somebody was explaining something, same guy, same problem. I don't

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>think so, man, I didn't run into that. You know

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 1>how much I hated that part in an inception. When

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>you watch Interstellar again, just make a little note anytime

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>someone explains what's going on, and you'll have like twenty

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 1>times written down on your little note pad. I guess

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. It didn't bother me in this one bother me.

0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>And it's not like I have anything against Ellen Page

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 1>in particular. Oh, sure you do. You you're a juno hater.

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Has nothing to do with Ellen Page. Now, I'm just

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 1>joking anyway, I no, I just for some reason it

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't stick out to me in Diristellar. I just thoroughly

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed that movie. Well good, I'm glad you did. I

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>want to rain under Parade anyway, that parts of the

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 1>ken Burns documentary show up in Aristellar, But it's great

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>just on its own. Um. And the reason we bring

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>up the dust Bowl is because it's actually it's larger

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>than just a drought. People tend to think of it

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 1>as a drought, but it's actually, um one of the

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>one of the it demonstrates things you can do to

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>prevent drought from becoming the worst case scenario, which is

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 1>exactly what happened with the dust Bowl. Yeah, it was.

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 1>It was one of the worst natural disasters in the

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 1>United States history, for sure. Yeah. And it was just

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>one natural disaster compounding another and another and another. And

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>what happened actually starts in the nineteenth century when America

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 1>was undergoing its westward expansion, and um, the US government

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:05.320
<v Speaker 1>passed the Homestead acts, and these UM gave land grants

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:09.360
<v Speaker 1>to Western settlers, UM, who wanted to set up farms

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>of between a hundred and sixty and then later on

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 1>three twenty acres, which sounds like a lot, but they're

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>actually not when you start thinking about these massive states

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:23.240
<v Speaker 1>like Oklahoma and Texas and Kansas and all of US. UM.

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>And so what happened was eventually these plain states, the

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 1>semi arid grassland was carved up into a huge patchwork

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:41.279
<v Speaker 1>of smaller farms, and UM people started farming and things

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 1>started going really well. The land became productive very quickly. Yeah.

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>And and at first things, UM, they were farming somewhat sustainably.

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, they still had grasses and still had cattle

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>grazing on these grasses, which is all good stuff. And

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 1>these are these are native grasses that were driver resistant already.

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 1>They were acclama in to this again semiar climate. That's right.

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 1>So let's flash forward or fast forward a bit, um

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to post World War One in the nineteen twenties. UM,

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 1>there was a recession and farmers all of a sudden said,

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what, we can get these new machines and

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.759
<v Speaker 1>use these new mechanized farming techniques to try and make

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>more money and turn some of this grass into wheat. Yeah,

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Because I mean if you if you have like a

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 1>ho right and you're just hacking away at this semi

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>ara ground, you're gonna be like, I've got acres, but

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna farm twenty of them because this is

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>a ton of work, you know. Um, But if you

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 1>can go buy a plow and some oxen and the

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 1>later on a tractor to drag those plows, um, you

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>can turn all three d and twenty acres into productive

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.839
<v Speaker 1>crop land. Yeah. And so they overproduce wheat. Yeah, there

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>was a there was a bumper crop year in nineteen

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 1>are so many farmers bought so many plows and used

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>these mechanized methods of farming that there was a bumper

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 1>crop of wheat, so much so that the price of

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>wheat plummeted. And it just so happened that there was

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>a recession, like you said, at the same time, So

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 1>there was an oversupply of wheat and an under demand

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.839
<v Speaker 1>for it because everybody's broke, that's right, And so everybody said,

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.320
<v Speaker 1>well what do you do. You just slant more wheat,

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>plant more wheat. Yeah. Basically expand your farms so to

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:31.760
<v Speaker 1>try and turn a profit. And so all of a sudden,

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>all these drought resistant grasses were no more. Uh, there

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:41.320
<v Speaker 1>was wheat everywhere. And apparently wheat does not jibe. Um,

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 1>that quantity of wheat doesn't jibe with the natural landscape. Uh.

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 1>And the soil became dusty and dry, and uh you

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 1>couple that with a drought which hit hard over the

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 1>period of like three years and high winds and everything

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 1>blew away. Yes, so a hundred billion acres of topsoil

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 1>ended up blowing away, like just blew away. It wasn't

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>there any longer. All that was left was the rocky

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 1>subsoil like blue to the east coast. Yes. Um, some

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>of it blew to California, depending on where the winds Blue.

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.879
<v Speaker 1>Some blew all the way to Washington, d C. Which

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>actually proved to be for two it is because that

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:23.239
<v Speaker 1>got Congress's attention. And um, these things were called black blizzards.

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>And there's man, you've seen the footage. It's just amazing

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 1>when these huge, towering clouds of black dust were just

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 1>coming towards these what looked like these tiny little miniature houses. Um,

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.800
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't look real no, it doesn't. But this really

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>happened on the Great Plains in the thirties. Yeah, we're

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.839
<v Speaker 1>talking a hundred and fifty thousand square miles over Oklahoma

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 1>are parts of Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, Colorado, and New Mexico.

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>And the drought itself was from thirty four to thirty

0:40:55.000 --> 0:41:01.319
<v Speaker 1>seven and sixty sixty of the population. Yeah, a lot

0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 1>of them moved to California. California wasn't very happy. A

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:07.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of them left. Their farms were just broke. Basically,

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 1>they were um like the first generation to find themselves

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 1>underwater because a lot of them again remember like there

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 1>was this this drive UM to make more money by

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 1>producing more wheat even though there was an over abundance

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 1>of wheat UM. So they really over leveraged themselves by

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 1>borrowing more for farm equipment and farm hands and farm

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 1>supplies and UM. When the bottom fell out on the

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 1>wheat market, they were over extended and their homes and

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.879
<v Speaker 1>farms got four closed on. So they are like all

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>these people who were just at one Like just a

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:50.919
<v Speaker 1>little while back, we're farming middle class people were now

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 1>like UM homeless and on um root sixty six and

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 1>basically doing the grapes of wrath thing. Yeah. I mean,

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.279
<v Speaker 1>like you said, a lot of them moved west. Uh

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and I think you said that California was not so

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 1>happy with that. About ten percent of them ended up

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.920
<v Speaker 1>in California, And um, it was not a great time

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>for the country as a whole. So they they didn't

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.359
<v Speaker 1>want all these new people they call them Oakey's even

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 1>though about we're from Oklahoma. Uh, they want them coming

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 1>in there trying to get their jobs. Uh. And it

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>was it was bad news all the way around in California. So. Um.

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>And actually, what's a pretty good, pretty good example of

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 1>the federal government doing something really really right. Um, they

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>stepped in, Actually FDR stepped in with the New Deal,

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>um and created a lot of measures that tried to

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 1>alleviate the worst effects of the dust Bowl. And one

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 1>of the things that they did really really well was

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 1>create the Soil Conservation Service. Yeah. That was a nineteen

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 1>thirty five and basically strict instructions to farmers to uh

0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:01.479
<v Speaker 1>plant grass, plant trees, how to plow, how terrace, um,

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:05.439
<v Speaker 1>how to hold rain water, how to portion off your farmland, um,

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:08.879
<v Speaker 1>and not just grow wheat over every square inch of it, right, yeah,

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 1>leaves some land to be fallow and regenerate after UM

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 1>one year of production or a couple of years of production.

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>UM And one of the other big pushes that's still

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 1>going on these days is no till farming. One of

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 1>the big problems that they that they did with with

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>by knocking out these these grasslands was first they got

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>rid of the native grasses that were good at holding

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.280
<v Speaker 1>the top soil in place, but then they actually killed

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the top soil and loosen the whole structure of everything,

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.480
<v Speaker 1>so it was easy to blow away when these strong

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:45.280
<v Speaker 1>winds came in. UM. And apparently top soil takes something

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:48.800
<v Speaker 1>like I've seen in a few places five hundred years

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 1>to produce one inch of new top soil, So once

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.799
<v Speaker 1>it blew away, it wasn't coming back UM And I'm

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.719
<v Speaker 1>not quite sure how they've replenished it since then. I mean,

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I know that these oil conservation measures are helping, but

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:05.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is it just grassland that's growing on subsoils

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>still for the next couple of hundred years. I don't know,

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I know that somebody out there knows that,

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.560
<v Speaker 1>though some farmer I do know that they said by

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen forties, much of that land had been rehabilitated. UM.

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 1>And not only did the government step in and still

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:26.880
<v Speaker 1>install install a lot of new laws and measures, but

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 1>they also bought a lot of land. Um. Yeah, about

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:34.560
<v Speaker 1>eleven million acres just to you know, keep it grassy

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and stable. Um. And the new deal brought it wasn't

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:42.359
<v Speaker 1>just the Soil Conservation Service UM. The we won't get

0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:47.320
<v Speaker 1>into all these, but the Works Progress Administration was created. Uh.

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 1>The I think the SCS is now the Natural Resources

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:53.879
<v Speaker 1>Conservation Service. Uh. And they just you know, they really

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 1>stepped in and said, we can't let this happen again,

0:44:57.120 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 1>even though the nineteen fifties there was another bad draft.

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 1>But I think, yeah, the measure that I remember in

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the seventies, that's why we have skateboarding. Oh yeah, that's right.

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean not completely, but it's when they went to

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 1>the swimming pools because they were empty in California. But

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 1>thanks to those measures, things in the fifties and seventies

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:17.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't reach the levels that they did in and UM.

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 1>I read this really great article called Rethinking the dust Bowl,

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and I can't remember where it's from, but it's posted

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast page for this episode on our site, UM,

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.839
<v Speaker 1>and it was basically saying like this was a really

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>good example of the government stepping in taking really good measures, UM,

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:38.480
<v Speaker 1>because ultimately what created the dust bowl was parceling out

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the great planes into these small farms. If you're a

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:47.719
<v Speaker 1>small farmer, taking soil conservation measures is not economically beneficial

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to you, You're not gonna see a lot of the benefits,

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to be very expensive, right, And if

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 1>you're just a small farmer, it doesn't matter. Your farm

0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. But if you put a bunch of small

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 1>farms together and no one taking soil conservation measures, then

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 1>what you have, as far as from an ecological standpoint,

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 1>is one gigantic farm with no soil conservation measures. And

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 1>that's what set up the Great Planes for the desk.

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Bol federal government came in and said, you guys are

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.319
<v Speaker 1>small farmers. You don't have to be big farmers, but

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna put a bunch of you together to form

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 1>what's called the soil Conservation District. And we're going to

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.600
<v Speaker 1>say if you plant these trees for wind breaks and

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 1>you do these other soil conservation techniques, we're going to

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 1>subsidize your farms, and it worked really well, and a

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of small farmers got these subsidies and the great

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 1>planes was saved. Hooray. Right, But then the same article

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 1>is like, this is also a really good example of

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 1>how the federal government doesn't work because as smaller and

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 1>smaller farms were bought by bigger and bigger farms and

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 1>consolidated into like big Agra, these subsidies are still available

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:56.800
<v Speaker 1>for these farms and farming companies that would have carried

0:46:56.840 --> 0:47:00.040
<v Speaker 1>out these measures anyway, because they would directly bend of

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.839
<v Speaker 1>fit from the money that they put into it. They're

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.759
<v Speaker 1>still getting government subsidies from it. So it was like

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 1>it worked really well at first. Now it's not working anymore.

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.439
<v Speaker 1>It's just kind of a waste of money. They should

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:13.320
<v Speaker 1>have had a stipulation in there though, that like farms

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 1>of certain size or something. I don't know, should have,

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 1>should have, could have, would have. I found that really interesting.

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:23.479
<v Speaker 1>I can totally get why you suggested this dust Bowl

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 1>Drought episode. Yeah, it's a good stuff. We've had a

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of um asks for this one lately. So have

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 1>you got anything else, sir, Well, if you want to

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:35.200
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0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.000
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0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.480
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0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:42.879
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0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:48.480
<v Speaker 1>it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this batty

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:53.279
<v Speaker 1>email from a bat bat guy. Um. Hey, guys, my

0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:56.320
<v Speaker 1>bat biologist specializing and threatened an endangered species in the

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Eastern US. It's a great episode and you nailed it,

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.480
<v Speaker 1>especially the section on at a location. I'll add that

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:06.839
<v Speaker 1>while most insect divorous, insectivorous bats do catch their prey

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 1>while on the wing, um some have specialized to flutter

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 1>slowly and their echo locations are so sensitive and high pitched,

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:16.959
<v Speaker 1>and they're hearing so sensitive that the bats can glean

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 1>insects from vegetation in the darkness. This could be in

0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:23.239
<v Speaker 1>response to stealthy moss that have learned to sense at

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 1>echolocation in evade round and round goes the predator prey

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 1>arms race. One clarification, though, is regarding the effect of

0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 1>white nose syndrome. You said in the podcasts that the

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 1>itch is what wakes the bats from hibernation. It's more

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that the bats immune system is ramped up by the

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 1>late stage fungal infection in their metabolic requirements are beyond

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 1>what they have prepared for. The damaged wing membranes are

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:51.400
<v Speaker 1>especially susceptible to evaporate water loss, and most hibernation interrupted

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:54.239
<v Speaker 1>bats are thought to die of lack of water rather

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>than lack of food. Additionally, new studies indicate that the

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 1>clinical signs are in stages of the disease and that

0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the chemical imbalances caused internal damage before the visible fungal

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>high fai DO. One mechanism for this is chronic respiratory

0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:16.880
<v Speaker 1>acidosis caused by increased dissolved CEO two levels in the blood. Wow, man,

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I told you it's a bat biologist. Listen to you

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:22.480
<v Speaker 1>guys every day. Uh and have taken s y s

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:25.240
<v Speaker 1>k onto the woods on bat surveys more than once.

0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the pot that we've been on a bat survey.

0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:32.400
<v Speaker 1>It's a great balancing act of fact and b s

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>of to each their own and holding humanity to a

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:38.759
<v Speaker 1>higher standard. You guys consistently hit it out of the

0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:41.880
<v Speaker 1>park man. That is nice. That is from Jason Whittle

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:47.760
<v Speaker 1>and uh my wife's hometown of Akron, Ohio where Lebron

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 1>lives to That's right. And you know what, we actually

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 1>got our episode shared by um oh boy, now I

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 1>can't think of it. The Bat Society. It's the best

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:02.000
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0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:05.680
<v Speaker 1>remember get along which one, but one of the larger

0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:09.319
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0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:10.799
<v Speaker 1>a great job. So I thought that was oh man,

0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 1>that's awesome. Well, thank you, thanks to the Bat Society,

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