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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in our number two Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: may be. Around the country or around the world. All right, Buck,

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Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about how the Israeli situation has

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Speaker 1: created a huge schism in the overall Democrat Identity politics coalition,

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Speaker 1: and I should mention, by the way, before I dive

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Speaker 1: bottom of the hour to talk the latest on the

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump charges and what is progressing in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: She is always fantastic, and we're going to be joined

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Speaker 1: at the top of the next hour by Vivek Ramaswami.

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Speaker 2: All of that still to come.

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Speaker 1: But Axios in their morning distillation of the political mood

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Speaker 1: and the national consciousness, Buck had some really interesting data

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Speaker 1: points about how much there is a panic among the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration over his loss of support among Arab Americans

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Speaker 1: out there. And here are some numbers for you that

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Speaker 1: leapt out at me. In twenty twenty, Biden won Michigan

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Speaker 1: by one hundred and fifty four thousand votes, a little

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Speaker 1: the overall Michigan population. The state of Michigan. I think

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Speaker 1: this may surprise people. Not those of you listening in

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Speaker 1: thousand Arab Americans in the state of Michigan. That means

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Speaker 1: that if some of those people either don't vote or

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Speaker 1: flip their vote, maybe they just don't show up in

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Speaker 1: the same numbers. Won that voting block by around seventy

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Speaker 1: to thirty in the state of Michigan. A couple more

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Speaker 1: states for you, Buck Biden won Arizona by ten thousand,

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Speaker 1: five hundred votes, the Arab American population in Arizona fifty

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Speaker 1: five thousand, and then one more Georgia eleven thousand, eight

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Speaker 1: fifty seven thousand. This article in Axios says there is

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Speaker 1: a panic inside of the Biden community that just based

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Speaker 1: on his lost support for Arab voters, to say nothing

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Speaker 1: of Israeli voters or people of Jewish descent, who certainly

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Speaker 1: for Biden or vote Republican. This issue alone could decide,

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Speaker 1: anything else in play. Do you buy this as a

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Speaker 3: I think it'll likely fade, and I think that's in

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Speaker 3: that seems to be maybe along the lines of what

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Speaker 3: in line with my expectations, So I don't think that

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Speaker 3: that will necessarily be determining how a lot of these

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Speaker 3: you know, Clay, it's so hard because every voter is

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Speaker 3: that could change things. They'll be October surprises. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think, based on the data and based on what

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Speaker 3: Party cannot be both pro Israel, defending itself to add

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Speaker 3: They can't actually spattle this one. They can't have it

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Speaker 1: And also, I don't think that there's going to be

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Speaker 1: whomever the Republican.

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Speaker 2: Nominee ends up being.

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Speaker 1: I do think, and I was having another conversation about

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Speaker 1: they're in a tribe, right, You're a Democrat tribe member,

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Speaker 1: And a lot of Jewish voters still think that the

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Speaker 1: to be fair to Hillary Clinton, she has been really

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Speaker 1: the View why the idea that Palestine and Israel are

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Speaker 1: a massive red pilling moment for many different Jewish people.

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Speaker 1: I think we talked about the front page of New

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Speaker 1: And that is even more seismic because not showing up

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Speaker 1: to vote takes a vote away from.

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Speaker 2: The Democrats and Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: But the flip we've talked about on this program, even

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Speaker 1: if around twenty thousand voters in Wisconsin, in Arizona, and

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Speaker 2: The twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that's crazy to think that there

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Speaker 3: I think there will be some Jewish American voters who

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Speaker 3: changed their votes. I think that as a percentage it

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Speaker 3: very small percentage change could swing a state and POSBI

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Speaker 3: swing the election. This is yes, there are so many

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Speaker 3: very hard to make any any predictions about it right now.

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Speaker 3: But I do think the I mean the Biden administration

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Speaker 3: who's really running things? Lincoln is running Biden's foreign policy,

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Speaker 3: not Joe Biden. And they keep saying they hope they

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Speaker 3: can extend the ceasefire. Extend the ceasefire. Okay, well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but they have to go get them. They can't actually

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Speaker 3: terrorist entity. And it almost feels like Democrats think, well,

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Speaker 3: maybe we can just keep delaying this thing until is

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Speaker 3: They're not going to forget. They need to do this.

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Speaker 3: If they don't do this, it will be in essence

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Speaker 3: And I think that's where the Biden administration they're almost

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Speaker 3: but ultimately they either back the war against a war

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Speaker 3: What if Hamas stages another substantial terror attack against Israel

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Speaker 3: I think that would move even more Jewish voters into

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Speaker 3: the Republican camp, because if they stage another terror attack,

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Speaker 3: it probably will occur because there's been pressure on Israel

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Speaker 3: not to go after Hamas as aggressively as Israel might

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Speaker 3: really puts in play, and we haven't even talked very

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Speaker 3: much about it, Buck, but.

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Speaker 2: Ukraine basically has lost the war.

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Speaker 1: It seems like, you know, they are down to almost

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Speaker 1: no manpower left, the stalemate that exists there where they

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Speaker 2: Remember, it was.

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Speaker 1: Supposed to be the big offensive from Ukraine this past summer.

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Speaker 1: They didn't take any new territory, and now it seems

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Speaker 3: Welcome back into Clay and Buck want to take some

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Speaker 3: here from. Uh, Steve in Allentown, Pennsylvania. What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Steve Clay and Buck She'll die sheil Taser? What's going on?

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Speaker 4: God bless you both doing the good work.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: I think I think you're not you personally. I think

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Speaker 1: If you paid off your student loans as I did,

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Speaker 3: Let's get to Philip and Saint Paul Minnesota. What's up Philip?

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Speaker 1: all of you. So first, thanks Julie. Second, Buck and

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Speaker 7: Right, You're exactly right, And there is a pre trial

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Speaker 3: What kind of other decisions have we seen, Julie, thanks

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Speaker 7: Well, it certainly is, because as we expected with Judge

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Speaker 7: No surprise there, but she is acting as another member

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Speaker 7: I still am surprised, and I'm not completely satisfied that

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Speaker 7: who have been charged in Fanny Willis's indictment. So there's

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Speaker 7: still a chance that he will want to add defendants

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Speaker 7: also talked about this. One of the four counts against

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Speaker 7: him is sort of in legal jeopardy, and that's the

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Speaker 7: obstruction of an official preceding count that could very well

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Speaker 7: be headed to the Supreme Court because there are now

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Speaker 7: petitions filed before the Supreme Court to take up the

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Speaker 7: legality of the DOJ using that obstruction count against three

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Speaker 7: hundred plus January six defendants, including Donald Trump. It's the

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Speaker 7: Supreme Court agrees to hear that case to reverse the

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Speaker 7: appellate order that has upheld this count that's going to

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Speaker 7: put his whole indictment at risk. So there's still moving

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Speaker 7: parts to this that I don't think are settled enough

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Speaker 7: to say disfinitively that that March forth trial date will stick.

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Speaker 7: Now it could because we know that they want to

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Speaker 7: expedite this process and get Trunk behind bars before election day.

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Speaker 7: So Jack Smith still is going to have some obstacles

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Speaker 7: ahead of him, so there's a likelihood that the trial

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Speaker 7: would be delayed if he does hand down a superseding

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Speaker 7: indictment for this case. But for now, I guess we

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Speaker 7: have to look ahead. That date will stick and jury

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Speaker 7: selection process will start, and then you're going to start

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Speaker 7: to see so many more motions file in, emotions filed

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Speaker 7: seeking the Appellate Court's involvement, and then of course the

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Speaker 7: Supreme Court as well.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Julie Kelly, you can check out her substack

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Speaker 3: Declassify with Julie Kelly and Julie. Before we we close

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Speaker 3: up here, I just wanted to know the new Hunter

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Speaker 3: Biden strategy of going on offense despite the fact that

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Speaker 3: he's already been indicted once and maybe indicted again. Can

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Speaker 3: you shed it in any light on what you think

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Speaker 3: the future of the Biden incorporated legal reality will be?

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Speaker 7: You know, it's so interesting, you know, he Look, we've

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Speaker 7: seen Hunter Biden interviewed. He's a very good performer. We

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Speaker 7: know that he's an artist, so I think that he

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Speaker 7: will portray himself, you know, as a victim here. He

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Speaker 7: will turn on the water works. He will try to

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Speaker 7: get sympathy. You know that he was a legitimate businessman.

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Speaker 7: His father wasn't involved, and so this is just all optics.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't look like House Republicans are going to fall

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Speaker 7: for it. But quite frankly, I'd like to keep the

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Speaker 7: pressure up in the focus on what's happening with Donald

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Speaker 7: Trump and the January sixth defendants who are still being

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Speaker 7: rounded up, arrested, prosecuted, sentenced to excessive prison time, because

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Speaker 7: I think that that poses a far greater danger to

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Speaker 7: the country and certainly to the twenty twenty four election

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Speaker 7: and sort of the theater related to Hunter Biden and

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Speaker 7: who and when and how he's going to testify.

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Speaker 2: All right, outstanding stuff.

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Speaker 1: As always, Julie, you got to keep us updated, shoot

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Speaker 1: us text anytime you got an update, and you need

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Speaker 1: to come on because this is going to get if

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Speaker 1: they actually start this trial in March. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how crazy it's going to be. But I guess

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Speaker 1: last question really quickly. Do you think there's going to

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Speaker 1: be television cameras in this courtroom? I know Jack Smith

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Speaker 1: has opposed it, the media outlets have all been in

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Speaker 1: favor of it. Trump has been in favor of it.

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Speaker 1: Chuckkin obviously does not seem to dislike media attention. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that she would make an exception on a

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Speaker 1: federal trial here, or do you think this is going

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Speaker 1: to be something that people have to cover from inside

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Speaker 1: of the courtroom.

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Speaker 7: This is going to be a huge battle because to

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Speaker 7: your point, we have Trump's attorneys and major news organizations

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Speaker 7: who are seeking at least one camera in the courtroom,

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Speaker 7: which is generally not allowed in federal trials. But it's

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Speaker 7: not a camera at least real time audio access, which

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Speaker 7: the DC Appellate Court has. So I'm not sure how

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Speaker 7: Chuck can get get away with completely cutting off any

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Speaker 7: sort of live coverage of the proceedings, even if it's

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Speaker 7: just an audio, you know, YouTube, which the appellate court has.

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Speaker 7: But Jack Smith, this guy is so dirty, He is

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Speaker 7: so shady. He wants to keep discovery evidence hidden from

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Speaker 7: the president himself. He does not want any real time coverage.

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Speaker 7: Of course, he wants the gag order, so you know,

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Speaker 7: this is a prosecution that is he wants held basically

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Speaker 7: in secret and for major news organizations, and you have

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Speaker 7: to be in the courtroom them or one of the

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Speaker 7: media rooms to cover it. Because he wants friendly news

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Speaker 7: organizations to put their spin on what's happening instead of

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Speaker 7: hearing Judge Chuck and Jack Smith and all of the

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Speaker 7: evidence in real time, so the American people can have

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Speaker 7: access to this unprecedented criminal proceeding.

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Speaker 3: Julie Kelly, everybody, Julie, thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 7: Thanks, guys, always appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to in to Clay and Buck. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: be talking to presidential candidate Viveate Ramaswami come up here

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Speaker 3: in just a few minutes, so I think that will

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Speaker 3: be a particularly interesting and worthwhile conversation. Much to discuss

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Speaker 3: on that one. And we also have some very interesting

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Speaker 3: emails and phone calls coming in. Wanted to get some

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Speaker 3: of those. Here we go Clay VIP emails. Remember if

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Speaker 3: we've got Kitty in California, She writes, as a California native,

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Speaker 3: I live under Newsom. He is a smarmy used car salesman.

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Speaker 3: He smiles and lies and says what he thinks you

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Speaker 3: want to hear, twist the truth and skirts the issues.

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Speaker 3: Then once you drive the car off the lot and

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Speaker 3: the bumper falls off, he smiles more and says, you

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Speaker 3: knew what you were getting when you bought it. Too bad,

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Speaker 3: So sad Clay. Do you want to defend your buddy

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Speaker 3: Gavin here?

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm not arguing in favor of Gavin Newsom's policies.

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Speaker 1: I think he has been absolutely wrong on everything. What

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Speaker 1: I would point out is take it outside of California,

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Speaker 1: state of Kentucky. A lot of you listening to us

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Speaker 1: right now in Kentucky just voted for Andy Basheer, who

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Speaker 1: was wrong on everything to do with COVID, and I

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Speaker 1: think the reason why sometimes guys win and gals is

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Speaker 1: because people just like the way they look look when

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Speaker 1: they talk, and don't even pay attention to what they say.

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's a pretty good looking guy. He's got a

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Speaker 1: great Keanu Reeve's voice. He's got a winsome, smiley, toothy grin.

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Speaker 3: That stuff works.

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you so much.

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Speaker 1: Of this is cosmetic bs Andy Basheer is a good

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Speaker 1: looking dude. He smiles, he smiles at the right times.

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Speaker 1: People are dumb. A lot of voters are dumb. Let's

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Speaker 1: just be honest, and they get sidetracked by cosmetic things.

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Speaker 1: One of the ways you can tell who's good on television,

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Speaker 1: I think Roger Ayles said it. I found it to

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Speaker 1: be true. Turn the sound off your television. You can

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Speaker 1: find out whether somebody is good on television without even

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Speaker 1: needing to see a word that they say. Buck, you've

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Speaker 1: done a lot of television. I do massive amounts of television.

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Speaker 1: How often if you go look at what people say

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Speaker 1: about television appearances, does the commentary have nothing to do

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Speaker 1: at all with what you said and have to do

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Speaker 1: with what color tie you wore or or how your

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Speaker 1: jacket looks, or what your collar looks like, or whether

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Speaker 1: you were smiling, or how your hair looked. I mean,

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Speaker 1: nothing to do at all with the arguments that are made,

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Speaker 1: and everything having to do with cosmetic aspects.

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Speaker 2: The first couple of times I did.

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Speaker 1: In television, I couldn't believe how little people paid attention

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Speaker 1: to what I was saying and how much they paid

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Speaker 1: attention to what I looked like while I was saying it.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm used to it, but television has turned much

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Speaker 1: of politics into a cosmetic photo test as much as

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Speaker 1: it is anything else. Have you found that to be

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Speaker 1: true on your hits on television?

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Speaker 7: Two?

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Speaker 3: I mean I remember I went once, and you've ever

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Speaker 3: had the thing where you had like some hair sticking up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And then you know I had almost like a shark

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Speaker 3: fin sticking off the back of the I'm not even

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Speaker 3: gonna say what show I was on, but it was

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Speaker 3: like a like a piece of hair that was just sticking.

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Speaker 3: But I couldn't see it in the camera. But when

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Speaker 3: I turned my hand to talk to somebody, I had

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Speaker 3: like this little horn sticking out of the back of

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Speaker 3: my head. Do you think people after I finished Clay

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Speaker 3: were like, you know what, that was really a student

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Speaker 3: analysis buck. No, they were like, get a get a hairbrush,

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Speaker 3: you idiot, get some hairshell, that's all they cared about.

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Speaker 1: So saying, hey, you know why didn't you shave today?

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Speaker 1: It is and and some of you out there are

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Speaker 1: going to understand it. I'm just I think that Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsom for a certain segment of the polity of the

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Speaker 1: political base, they're going to support him because he's on

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Speaker 1: their team, and the arguments be damned. And so look,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is at seventy nine years old. I don't

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Speaker 1: know is he a good looking for a seventy or

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Speaker 1: what is he eighty one? I guess is Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: good looking for an eighty one year old?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not an expert in eighty one year old books.

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Speaker 1: Probably looks better I think, maybe than the average eighty

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Speaker 1: one year old. I don't even have any idea.

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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom's good looking dude.

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Speaker 1: And there are a lot of wine drinking moms out

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Speaker 1: there that are gonna buy into the fact that there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be shock troops showing up at your door trying

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Speaker 1: to take your daughter if she's fourteen and pregnant and

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Speaker 1: ensure that she has a baby. That the handmaid's tail

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Speaker 1: is right. And they're gonna see Gavin Newsom as their

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Speaker 1: knight in shining armor, and they're gonna buy into whatever

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Speaker 1: he says, even though what he says his crap. And

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Speaker 1: I say women, because Buck, you know, the data is overwhelming. Now.

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Speaker 1: Men are going Republican now by like thirty points. Men

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Speaker 1: are gonna vote Republican based on some of these surveys

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing, like sixty five thirty five.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna be close.

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Speaker 1: A lot of women gonna vote for Gavin Newsom because

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Speaker 1: he's gonna convince them that shock troops are coming after

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Speaker 1: their daughters if they get pregnant, and they're gonna see

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Speaker 1: whatever they want to see in him, and they see

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Speaker 1: a wine drinking what a nice man. And that's the

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Speaker 1: way they're gonna see this debate tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I think