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Speaker 2: I haven't seen too much under the cups and under

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Speaker 2: Man, there's still time saved. There's still time for you.

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Speaker 1: I get saved again almost every time in this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Your father in law is Ray Comfort, Yeah, the one

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Speaker 2: my mom thought I was going to do, go party

428
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Speaker 2: and whatever. But I get in the car and the

429
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 2: whole way there, I'm fuming, you know, And we walk

430
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 2: in and and man, it was just I couldn't. The

431
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 2: atmosphere was so foreign to me, you know, people just

432
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 2: full of joy, and they're looking up toward the heavens

433
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,880
Speaker 2: and singing as if though God was like, really there

434
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 2: little I know he was, you know. And then the

435
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 2: preacher got up and began to preach the gospel. And man,

436
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,159
Speaker 2: it's as if though he had a hidden camera following

437
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 2: me around everywhere, he had a chip in my brain.

438
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: He was reading my thoughts. I mean, everything he was

439
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 2: hitting on. I had been thinking about, you know. But

440
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 2: when I heard that salvation was a free gift. You

441
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,439
Speaker 2: can't earn it, you can't work for it, and you

442
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 2: can know for certain you have everlasting life, and that

443
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 2: God was willing to forgive me no matter what I

444
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 2: had done, you know. And when that call was given

445
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 2: to repent and trust the Lord, Man, I did immediately

446
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 2: and instant transformation, brand new creation. Everything about me changed

447
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: and that split second. Different people have different testimonies, but

448
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 2: that's mine. You know. We get in my friend's car,

449
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 2: we're heading home. He turns on the same filthy radio

450
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Speaker 2: station we used to listen to. I go, whoa, bro,

451
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 2: what are you doing? I go, We're Christians. We don't

452
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 2: listen to that stuff anymore. He's like, whoa. It's like

453
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 2: this guy got over saved yea. Yeah, you know. And

454
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 2: so so that was man, that was, and everything the

455
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Speaker 2: way I thought talked acted felt I was a brand

456
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Speaker 2: new creation. You know, I got kicked out of my

457
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Speaker 2: first high school my second. After my second high school,

458
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Speaker 2: I had a great point average of zero point three

459
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Speaker 2: to two.

460
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not about you know.

461
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Speaker 2: At least what was oh right, but that was four

462
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Speaker 2: f's two D minuses, and the D minuses were in

463
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 2: pe and drama. I think it's illegal to give anyone

464
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Speaker 2: an F and those. Yeah, and so so I get

465
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Speaker 2: back into my first high school, and I prayed for

466
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 2: some specific I went from that zero point three two

467
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 2: GPA to four point zero, started teaching Bible study at

468
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Speaker 2: the Bible Study Club on campus, graduated, went to a

469
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Speaker 2: Christian university, ended up co planning at church at twenty,

470
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Speaker 2: which is crazy. I don't recommend it, and then met

471
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Speaker 2: a crazy guy named Ray Comfort.

472
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're twenty years old. Right around this time

473
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Speaker 1: is when this guy comes up to you and says,

474
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Speaker 1: have you heard of this guy Ray Comfort?

475
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Speaker 2: Is that yeah, I'm prout, Well I'm about no, I'm

476
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: about probably eighteen, okay, Yeah, because I got saved a

477
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 2: month before I turned sixteen. Yeah, a couple of years later, Yeah,

478
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 2: I talked talk to this guy and then yeah, then

479
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: I meet Ray when I was about nineteen and then yeah,

480
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Speaker 2: and that was and he came and spoke at our church,

481
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 2: and then came a second time, and his daughter came

482
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Speaker 2: and uh, she took one look at me, proposed on

483
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Speaker 2: the spot. Are we are? See? I can say that

484
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Speaker 2: ravely because she's not here, you know, I'm saying.

485
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Speaker 1: Yes you can, yes you can. So what happened to

486
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: what happened to the Catholic Church in this this transformation?

487
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

488
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Speaker 1: So like in your mind? Yeah. And part of the

489
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Speaker 1: reason I ask it is because people, you know, love

490
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Speaker 1: our Catholic listeners, but they get we get pretty defensive, yeah,

491
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Speaker 1: saying that Granger, first of all, you don't understand and

492
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: you should maybe and maybe we should one day have

493
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Speaker 1: a Catholic apologist where we could actually have a good

494
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: discussion because they say you're misrepresenting us every time. You

495
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: just get it all wrong. Yeah. And so so I'm

496
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Speaker 1: trying to be in this conversation unbiased towards yours. Is

497
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Speaker 1: your story mind? Yeah? So what happens in your mind?

498
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: You're you're not converted, everything's new. Why don't you go

499
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: back to the Catholic Church?

500
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Speaker 2: So honest question, Yeah, yeah. Well my family was curious

501
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: about that as well. First it was like, man, we

502
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: don't care if it's Buddha that saved you. You know,

503
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: you're you're a different person. But then after a while

504
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: it was like, hey, what's wrong with our church? And

505
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: so you know, they said, hey, the priest said he'd

506
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Speaker 2: like to meet with you. Obviously they put him up

507
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 2: to that. I went to the priest's house, we sat down,

508
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Speaker 2: and I just gave him scripture after scripture. He wasn't

509
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: expecting that, you know, and I said, well, what about

510
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: this and what about that? And so you know, look,

511
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Speaker 2: I the majority of my family's Catholic. I absolutely love Catholics.

512
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Speaker 2: We've done a lot of videos on our YouTube channel

513
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Speaker 2: regarding Catholicism. We do it respectfully, humbly, because our call

514
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: and scripture is to consider others more important than ourselves,

515
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: and if we don't have a spirit of love and kindness,

516
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: then it's contradictory to everything we claim to stand for

517
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Speaker 2: as Christians. But love has at its core truth. You

518
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: can't have true love without truth, and so we have

519
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: to speak the truth in that regard and the Catholic Church.

520
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: I say this, you know, with humility has a false gospel,

521
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: you know. And as far as where they stand, you

522
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 2: just have to look at the councils. It's clear in

523
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: there that if you believe you're saved by grace alone,

524
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Speaker 2: through faith, learn and Christ alone, you are anathema. And

525
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: that charge, you know, came from them. And so like

526
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Speaker 2: Martin Luther said, here I stand, I can do no

527
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Speaker 2: other unless I'm convinced by scripture. And so Galatians makes

528
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: it clear if we preach another gospel, then we are anathema.

529
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Speaker 2: And it's clear what the gospel is.

530
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Speaker 1: But as an eighteen, when were you converted? Month before

531
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Speaker 1: I turned sixteen? So yeah, about sixteen? Okay, So let's

532
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Speaker 1: like just look at this with a microscript. I think

533
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Speaker 1: it's interesting you go, you have this meeting the priest. Yeah,

534
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: and of course I agree with your what you're saying

535
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Speaker 1: about Galatians. And what is it that he said that

536
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Speaker 1: made you say, I think I'm not going to this

537
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: church anymore as opposed to agree to disagree see it

538
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: mass Wednesday?

539
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I had, I mean I had already come

540
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Speaker 2: to that conclusion before meeting with him. So it wasn't

541
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Speaker 2: and it wasn't right away. It might have been maybe

542
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Speaker 2: maybe a year later or so. So I had already

543
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: really i'd really jumped headlong into apologetics, and I had

544
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 2: this this heart and mindset of like, well, man, I

545
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: want to know for sure, why you know this is

546
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: what is supposedly the truth that I've now committed myself to.

547
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I believed enough of what I heard at

548
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: that that night to believe, but then I wanted. I

549
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: wanted to know because truth is important.

550
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Speaker 1: You know, was there a hinge for you? Like, you know,

551
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Speaker 1: Martin Luther Romans one seventeen. Is there something that you

552
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Speaker 1: go this was? Maybe it?

553
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: There doesn't have to be something sure? Well, yeah, I

554
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: mean again for me, I mean Ephesians two, eight and

555
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: nine is so clear. You know, you got on Timothy one,

556
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: you got Titus two, Titus three, You've got I mean

557
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: Romans four, Romans eleven. The scripture is riddled with verses

558
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: on the fact that we're saved by grace through faith

559
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: and that faith is in Christ alone, and so all

560
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: of that combined the systematic teaching of the doctrine of

561
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: you know, of salvation, it was just clear. And then

562
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: and then you know, also the idolatry is so blatantly clear.

563
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: I mean when I level with my Catholic friends, I

564
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 2: just have to look at them say, I mean, you

565
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: must know in your heart of hearts that this is wrong,

566
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: and you know they won't call it worship. But the

567
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: analogy I use is it's like it's semantics, right. It's

568
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 2: like the doctor says to you, Hey, granger, you got

569
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: you gotta know surgery tomorrow, so you can't eat any solids?

570
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: You okay, no problem, doc. You go home, grab some chicken, steak, fries, vegetables,

571
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: you throw them in a blender, right, you goz them down,

572
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: you go the next day, doesn't xtra, Hey what did

573
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: I tell you? No, doctor, I didn't eat, I drank.

574
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: Come on, we don't worship. We venerate, Yeah, bowing down right,

575
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: lighting incense, kissing, holding up, praying to what do you

576
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: call that? If that's not worship, what is? And so

577
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: so you know, I level with them, and you just

578
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: know that their conscience bears witness. But the tradition has

579
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: such a stronghold that I think it leads to unfortunate's blindness.

580
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: And it breaks my heart, like this isn't something I

581
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 2: glowed over, Like, no, man, it's like I was there,

582
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: and there's liberty, there's freedom in Christ. He can set

583
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: you free from that, and he's the only mediator between

584
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: God and man.

585
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: Amen. Yeah, as I think about it, I saw a

586
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Speaker 1: meme one time that said that had you know that

587
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: veneration and the picture of the idolatry in the Catholic church,

588
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: and then side by side it was a Protestant church

589
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: with everyone has their hands up, and there's bands, and

590
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: there's there's a fog machine and lights and they're all

591
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: kind of and and so how do we address this?

592
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's another big problem today as well.

593
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: And I do I do remind my Catholic friends that

594
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: there's there are a lot of unsafe people in the

595
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: Evangelical church. Amen, A lot. I mean, Jesus Matthew seven.

596
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: Many will say to me on that day, Many will

597
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: say to me, on that day, Lord Lord, have we not?

598
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: You know? Prophesidecast out dem has done many wonders, all

599
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: these religious things. You say, I never knew you, Titus

600
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: once sixteen. They profess to know God, but by their

601
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: deeds they deny it. First John, by this one, we've

602
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: come to know them if we keep his commandments the

603
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: one who says I've come to home but doesn't keep

604
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not

605
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: in him. God is light, and then there's no darkness

606
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: at all. We say we have fellowship with Him, but

607
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: walk in darkness. We lie and don't practice the truth.

608
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: So it's not a Catholic problem. It's a human problem.

609
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. That's good.

610
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Speaker 2: That's important to realize. I mean there's pastors that aren't saved.

611
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: I personally know pastors who were not saved and in

612
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: the pastorate chain of Christ.

613
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh oh yeah, yeah. I mean John Wesley

614
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: is a great example.

615
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: You don't.

616
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, John was preaching till the Moravians the truth.

617
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to convert the Heathens. Who's going to convert me?

618
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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, so Rachel comes with the picture Ray first. Yeah, okay,

619
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: you meet Ray, tell me about that, because I don't

620
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: think we got to that. You meet, You're on the

621
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: phone with him, that's the last you heard. Yeah, when

622
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: you meet him, then what happens.

623
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he came that first time to the church and

624
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: spoke and it was weird, man. I mean, you know,

625
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: I just all I'd seen him on was a television

626
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: screen and read his books, but to like meet him

627
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: in person, it was just it was really cool. It

628
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: was it was a special moment for me, you know.

629
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: And then the second time when he came around, and

630
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: what happened was, you know, I meet Rachel and we

631
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: just really hit it off, you know, I mean she

632
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: came to pick him up. His wife dropped him off

633
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: at our church that morning and Rachel came to pick

634
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: him up, and she came up the stairs to the

635
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: second floor where sanctuary was, and he introduced us. You know,

636
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: he was always trying to match make you know there,

637
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: and we just hit it off. I said, hey, we

638
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 2: do Evangelis on Fridays, if you everyone to come join us.

639
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Speaker 2: Gave him my card and he was.

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Speaker 1: Trying to match make it oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Because you know, I was a pastor and he you know,

642
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Speaker 2: got to know me a little bit, and you know

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Speaker 2: he wants his r to get married and you know,

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Speaker 2: so so anyway, so then I I remember I called

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Speaker 2: Ray to thank him for letting me for speaking at

646
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Speaker 2: our church, and I said, hey, if you ever need anything,

647
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Speaker 2: let me know. I was actually when moving this weekend.

648
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Speaker 2: If you want to help us like I'm there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so I go and I do that, and

650
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Speaker 2: that's where we really connected, Rachel and I. And then

651
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Speaker 2: just from there she she actually started to fellowship at

652
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Speaker 2: our church and we just yeah, just went from there

653
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Speaker 2: and ended up getting married April sixth ninety six. So yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: you were young twenty. Yeah, I'm doing it opposite of

655
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Speaker 2: my dad. You know, my dad passed away last January

656
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Speaker 2: at one hundred and thirteen. Wait what Yeah, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: eighty three. But plastic surgery. Bro, Come on, it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a whole podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So my dad is a Mediterranean diet I was telling me, man,

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you to buoy. It's all about Tabulli.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He was born nineteen eleven and my mom he was

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Speaker 2: sixty five when I was born. He and my mom

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Speaker 2: were like thirty five years apart in age. He's a

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Speaker 2: really good looking guy. And yeah and so yeah, he

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Speaker 2: one website had him as oldest man in America. He

668
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Speaker 2: was in the top five in the world. So I

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Speaker 2: come from old stock, brother, Yeah, you do that deep

670
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Speaker 2: wisdom that is that I need, that I need.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about your parents? Did they ever? Did they ever?

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Speaker 2: Except both of them came to know the Lord.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to see that. I want to say that

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Speaker 1: in the most respectful way to uh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad. Uh my dad cried out to to

676
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Speaker 2: to God at one hundred and nine. So there is hope.

677
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Speaker 2: There is hope.

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Speaker 1: Praise the Lord. Now we know why the Lord sustained

679
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Speaker 1: his life.

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Speaker 2: Or so, I know people were praying for him all

681
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Speaker 2: around the world, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: Some people are more stubborn than others. The Lord would

683
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Speaker 1: have done that to me, like all right, great dreams

684
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Speaker 1: going to hold you around for a long time.

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Speaker 2: It's like, all right, God, I believe, now take me

686
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Speaker 2: and then my mom on her deathbed, you know. So

687
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Speaker 2: that's that's a joy for me to see that the

688
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Speaker 2: Lord did that.

689
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Speaker 1: And so you get married to Rachel. Moving moving down

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Speaker 1: the timeline here, Yeah, when do you start working for

691
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Speaker 1: Living Waters?

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Speaker 2: So I was pastoring, I said, I co planted that church,

693
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Speaker 2: and it was a real growing, real real dynamic church.

694
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Speaker 2: God was doing some great things. And I remember one

695
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Speaker 2: time I was I was talking to one of the

696
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Speaker 2: vice presidents at Living Waters now, but he was also

697
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Speaker 2: one of the pastors at the church, Mark Spence. I said, Mark,

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Speaker 2: what do you what do you sense? Like the Lord

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Speaker 2: my half for my life? Like you know, so I

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Speaker 2: see you, you know, working at Living Waters serving, I

701
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Speaker 2: see you serving in leadership. I mean, and what did

702
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Speaker 2: Mark smoke this? I mean, man, this dude's so lod

703
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: because it's funny. It never ever came into my mind

704
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Speaker 2: like to serve at Living Waters. I mean, you know,

705
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Speaker 2: I was pastoring. I was I had not my own

706
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Speaker 2: itinerant ministry. I was traveling speaking, and I thought, all right,

707
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Speaker 2: whatever man. But then years later, uh, the ministry started

708
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Speaker 2: to really grow. And so on my day off from

709
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Speaker 2: the church, I think it was Mondays, I would go

710
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Speaker 2: in and just help, you know. And so a week

711
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Speaker 2: after week after week, eventually my Lord began to knit

712
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Speaker 2: my heart with the ministry. And I called Ray one

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Speaker 2: day because he raised very non administrative. I mean, you

714
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Speaker 2: talk anything administration. His eyes we rolled back glaze over.

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Speaker 2: He just he just he's a creative genius. He just

716
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Speaker 2: wants to yeah, right, he wants to create. He doesn't

717
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Speaker 2: want to deal with any of that that that falls more.

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm a visionary too, but that falls more

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Speaker 2: within my skill set. So I called I go, hey, Ray,

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Speaker 2: the mystry was starting to grow at this time, more

721
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Speaker 2: staff were coming on and he just, yeah, so, Sarah,

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Speaker 2: what do you think about me one day? Maybe you know,

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Speaker 2: possibly like sort of a kind of in a way,

724
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Speaker 2: you know, serving at Living Waters. He's like, are you serious?

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Speaker 1: And he say, yeah, bro, yeah, when can he get

726
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Speaker 1: down here?

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Speaker 2: And he was flipping out. He just I'm like, whoa okay,

728
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Speaker 2: And so yeah, So I came on in two thousand

729
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Speaker 2: and three and just hit twenty two years at the ministry,

730
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Speaker 2: and and so you know, I started as kind of

731
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Speaker 2: the general manager, became the vice president, executive vice president.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm the president. You know, succession is important. Sure,

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Speaker 2: a lot of organizations and ministries don't plan ahead, and

734
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Speaker 2: so the ministry dies with the founder. So we're trying

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Speaker 2: to get away from that. So it's not just myself,

736
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Speaker 2: but but a few other guys within the ministry are

737
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Speaker 2: are more public now and so we can keep the

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Speaker 2: vision going.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's so important because we mentioned the older guys,

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Speaker 1: So we have desiring God grace to you. Liganeer still

741
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Speaker 1: going nine marks. We see a lot of these Living

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Speaker 1: Waters organizations that are now thinking to themselves, what what's

743
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Speaker 1: the future of this. Yeah, I think Desiring God is

744
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Speaker 1: an example of an organization that's going uh oh, yeah,

745
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Speaker 1: we need to really figure out the succession in the now.

746
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, let me say, Liganeer did a phenomenal job.

747
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Speaker 2: I'm good friends with Nathan W. Bingham, you know, who's

748
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Speaker 2: who's one of their vps over there and does their

749
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Speaker 2: podcasts and different things. But they're so they're so smart

750
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Speaker 2: because they diversified so the ministries. I think it's stronger

751
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: even than when doctor sproll. It seems like it, yeah,

752
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: was alive, and that's that's what you want. So that's

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Speaker 2: what we're trying to do. And again, I don't say

754
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Speaker 2: this like lightly or or like out of exaggeration. I

755
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 2: regularly like just step back and in a sense pinched

756
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: myself and I'm like, I can't believe I'm here. Like

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00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: you know, the old illustration of a of a turtle

758
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Speaker 2: on a fence post. You know, it didn't put itself

759
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: there because it's impossible, And so I just look and

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Speaker 2: I say, lord, I you know, I summed up my

761
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: testimony years ago in this little verse. I once was

762
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Speaker 2: but a lump of coal upon a heap of Meyer.

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Speaker 2: Yet Jesus Christ redemed my soul and saved me from

764
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Speaker 2: the fire. And that's it.

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Speaker 1: Man. We have a guy sitting in room with us

766
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Speaker 1: right now. Remember at our church that was saved through

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Speaker 1: Living Waters. And in fact, I didn't even know that

768
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Speaker 1: until we were just talking before church one day and

769
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: and this came up. And he's just his his testimony

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00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: is is pretty unbelievable. Through the work of Living Waters

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Speaker 1: in this case, simply publishing a well edited video of

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Speaker 1: the gospel through with Ray. It was the Which one

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Speaker 1: was it? I think it was. It's the most viewed one.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Mario, Mario, Mario Ray, Praise daily Lord, give me

775
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: another Mario. Yeah, that's video is like at five million

776
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Speaker 2: views or something.

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Speaker 1: Just so if you guys, if you search on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: if you search Living Waters or Ray Comfort and put

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Speaker 1: in the search criteria most viewed, you'll get this video

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Speaker 1: of Mario. And that video saved my friend here. The

781
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: Lord used that and and that's just one example. And

782
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Speaker 1: I thought it's encouraging to have him here with us now.

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Speaker 1: Someone who listens to your podcasts, all of them, and

784
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: it's we all, we all well, we have a love,

785
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: a special love for the the Lord used to save us,

786
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: whatever that way might be, or whatever ministry or whatever church. Yeah,

787
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Speaker 1: mine was desiring God, you know, as we as we

788
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: mentioned that, and and those guys all desiring God, they

789
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Speaker 1: all know that, you know, and and it's it's it's

790
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: so important for us to remember that as you're working

791
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: doing the grind, you know, thinking creatively, going through administrative

792
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: things that we're talking about real people, yeah, that are

793
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: getting the Gospel, and it's incredible. Yeah.

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00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we always try to remind ourselves of that.

795
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: That's why I love to read feedback from our listeners

796
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: on every podcast, because it reminds us this is why

797
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 2: we do what we do, and our aim is to

798
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: decrease so that He might increase hman to hold up

799
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: Christ like Moses did the serpent in the wilderness, so

800
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: that people will look under him and be saved. So yeah,

801
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: we were. We're blown away by what God has done

802
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: with the ministry and the reach He's given us, and

803
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: and that we get to be a part of it.

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853
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Speaker 1: I know, I don't know how that happened.

854
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 2: You know, my wife, Rachel has has a social media presence.

855
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: She has a little ministry called Joyful Mothers, and she

856
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: started it, you know, just to minister to women. She

857
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: just had a heart for women. So she did it

858
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: for like kind of her friends at first, and it

859
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: just started to grow. So now she's got about one

860
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, you know, followers, and it's been amazing, and

861
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: I think Amber might have connectedly there.

862
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't think I've asked for specifically who found who

863
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: or how that works, but they they started chatting and

864
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: then they're like, you know, we get got to get

865
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: our husbands together one of these days. And so at

866
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: some point I end up getting a request if I

867
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: would check out your book before it came out, latest book,

868
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: which is called Fight Like a Man. Holding it right here.

869
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: You read this, Jesse, right you read this, and you

870
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: have not read this probably, but I just gave you

871
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: a copy, so fight like a man. I got this

872
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: probably in I want to say, December or maybe late November,

873
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: and that's the first time we actually were texting. And

874
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: so I read this book and it's it's a there

875
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: are there's some older books that talk about the purity

876
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: of a man, and this is a culturally relevant book

877
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: for that, for a man to pick up a book

878
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: like this and to walk through it seeking godliness, seeking

879
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: purity specifically in godliness. And we live in a world

880
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: that probably is more difficult for a man, with more

881
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: temptations readily available than ever in history. Is that Is

882
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: that too bold to say?

883
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the truest thing anyone could say in this context.

884
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: You know, when I was a kid, and probably the

885
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: same with you. How old are you going er, I'm

886
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: forty five? Okay, yeah, so you as well. Probably you

887
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: know when I was a kid. Man, Look, you wanted

888
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: to look at pornographic images, you had to have a

889
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: friend who had a dad maybe who had a stash

890
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 2: or a buddy stole a video from a liquor store

891
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: that you know you used to carry them. Now we

892
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: all have these supercomputers in our pockets. At the click

893
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: of a button, you can have access to millions, maybe

894
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: billions of images and videos. I mean, it's insanity. So

895
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: the accessibility has accelerated the degeneration in this area. And

896
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: it is a problem. And it's not an epidemic, it's

897
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: a pandemic. It's a destructive worldwide tsunami that is ravaging men,

898
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: it's ravaging families, it's ravaging the church. And Granger, I'm

899
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: a humbled brother that you would want to talk about

900
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: this because it's not a popular topic. It's a prevalent

901
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: one and probably the issue of the day when it

902
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: comes to the sin that is destroying men and the church.

903
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: But it's not comfortable. Who wants to talk about that,

904
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: you know? And it comes up when a leader falls

905
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: in the body of Christ, and then we talk about

906
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: it and everyone's alert and then right back under the radar.

907
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: And yet at the same time, it's like a hidden

908
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: cancer that's eating away at the moral fiber of the church,

909
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: which is weakening it spiritually, which is limiting its impact,

910
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: which is dishonoring God. And so I was passionate about

911
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: this subject as a pastor. It was like the number

912
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: one counseling topic. And even now I'm counseling guys constantly,

913
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: and it's become so prevalent that men have become desensitized.

914
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: People have, wives, have It's like everyone does it. Yeah,

915
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: I'm struggling with it, and no man, this has to

916
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: be dealt with head on, and hence the title fight

917
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: like a man. You know, men are called to fight,

918
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: and a man isn't just someone who's masculine and athletic

919
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: and physically strong so on. But a man has courage, conviction, devotion, dedication, character,

920
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: and more importantly, a man is willing to lay down

921
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: his life and love for others. And that should be

922
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: for the Lord and for people, especially his family, his wife,

923
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: his children, and his whole circle of influence. And so

924
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: we have to recognize that, and we have to have

925
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 2: a battle plan because the tragedy is is a lot

926
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: of men are acting as if though they're they're living

927
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: in peacetime, and so they don't have a wartime mentality,

928
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: which is what we need. I mean, imagine World War two, right,

929
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: Imagine a soldier being deluded into thinking that he's on

930
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: a luxury cruise ship heading for the shores of Bora,

931
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: Bora to an exotic resort when in reality he's on

932
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: a Higgins boat heading for the shores of Normandy. I mean,

933
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: this guy's gonna saunter off the Higgins boat clad in

934
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: a bathrobe, some fuffy slippers are remote in one hand,

935
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: a latte in the other end, and probably some skinny,

936
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: you know, pink polka dotted jeans, and he's gonna get

937
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: smoked in the great illustration. And that's what guys are doing.

938
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: You know.

939
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, bro, know this thing's kind of hard,

940
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: and you know, it's just like he prowls about like

941
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. And then

942
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: the world system that is massive and enormous is all

943
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: rallying against you and your your flesh, which is the

944
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: true adversary, is coming against you, and you're just kind

945
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: of yeah to do, dude, tiptoeing like you're in a

946
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: field of lilies, you know, with a feather duster in

947
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: your hand, like, and that's what's happening.

948
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: So tell me, how does when we read Greater Love

949
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: has no Man than this, that he lays down his

950
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: life for his friends, where does sexual purity compromise that idea?

951
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, because sexual impurity doesn't just affect the person who's

952
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: being sexually impure. Sexual sin has ripple effects that creates

953
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 2: havoc across the spectrum of life. First of all, you're

954
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: you're dishonoring the God who gave you life.

955
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: You know.

956
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: First Corinthian six eighteen says, every sin that a man commits,

957
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 2: he commits outside that the body.

958
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: You just said, you just sounded just like great comfort.

959
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: No God that gave you life, But the God that

960
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: gave man been hearing the guy for so long.

961
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: But you know, he who commits sin commits, you know,

962
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: every sin the man commits commits out side of the body.

963
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: But you commit sexual morality, sins against his own body.

964
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: What that passage is doing is it's it's highlighting sexual

965
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: sin as a distinct sin with greater repercussions and ramifications.

966
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's part and parcel with reprobation. If you

967
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: read Romans won, I mean the ultimate giving over of

968
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: those who have hardened their hearts against God is sexual immorality.

969
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: And so you know, we have this mindset as believers

970
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: and we say it sin a sin, sin a sin, Well,

971
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: sin is sin in terms of it being all a

972
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: violation of God's law and being wrong, but not all

973
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 2: sin a sin in terms of its its ravages and

974
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: its repercussions and its seriousness and its impact. I mean,

975
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: you may ask me to help you move house, and

976
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: you know, I may lie and say, yeah, I got

977
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: something going on this weekend. That's a sin. It's inexcusable,

978
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: it's wrong, it's reprehensible. But it's different than if I

979
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: went and murdered your entire family and burned the house

980
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: down with them. So men need to realize that sexual

981
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: sin biblically does have a certain dynamic and element and

982
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: facet to it that is distinct and has massive ramifications

983
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: and repercussions associated with it. And we need to realize that,

984
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: and we need to fight. You know, we fight not

985
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: with carnal weapons, but in a spiritual sense, and we're

986
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: willing to again lay our lives down. The standard is death.

987
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 2: If the standard is death, in terms of our love

988
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: toward the Lord and others, anything beneath that standard should

989
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: be a given, should be a given. I mean, imagine

990
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: a platoon of Navy seals up on a hill on

991
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: an island looking at another island with a hill on it,

992
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: and the commander says to his men. Hey men, your

993
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: mission is to cross the waters, scale that hill and

994
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: save the President of the United States who's been taken hostage.

995
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if and while you do it, you

996
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: need to be willing to die in the process, be

997
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: willing to lay your life down to save the president.

998
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if one of the seals looks at

999
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: his commander says, yeah, but Commander, I don't know if

1000
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: you realize this, but there's some jellyfish in that water.

1001
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: Are you saying that we're Are you saying that we're

1002
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: to risk getting jellyfish things? The other one's like, well,

1003
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, sir, there were some you know, some steel

1004
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: traps that we saw there on the sand as we

1005
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: were servying. You know, you're telling us to like get

1006
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: our feet hurt, and the other ones like, you know, sir,

1007
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: I saw some poison ivy on the side of the

1008
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 2: hill there. You want us to get poisoned? Did you

1009
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: not hear me? Soldier? I said, the mission is to

1010
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: be willing to lay your life down. You're talking to

1011
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: me about jellyfish and steel traps and poison ivy, And

1012
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: so our call is to die for the sake of others,

1013
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: to die for the sake of the glory of God,

1014
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: and we're not to fight. And I ask him in this,

1015
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: I say, look, if some dude came up to your

1016
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: wife right now, cocked his fist back and was about

1017
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: to pop her in the face, would you jump in

1018
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: front of her and absorb that blow and then fight

1019
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: that guy off if you're not knocked out. I say, look,

1020
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: if some guy was aiming a gun at your children

1021
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: and was about to pull the trigger, would you jump

1022
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 2: in front of them, absorb that bullet, and if you lived,

1023
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: fight that guy up. I mean, which guy would say?

1024
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: No?

1025
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: Of course, you know. And yet we're not willing to

1026
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: fight to save our wives and children and friends and

1027
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: the church and the world from the ravages of our

1028
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: sexual sin. Were the ones cocking our fist back? Were

1029
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 2: the ones getting ready to pull the trigger? And we're

1030
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: not willing to stop that. There needs to be a

1031
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: massive wake up call.

1032
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: Just a little porn. Are we over exaggerating this? I

1033
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: mean you're talking about you're talking about killing and yeah,

1034
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: but just a little porn just to relax.

1035
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a man and a woman eating a little

1036
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: piece of forbidden fruit in the garden. Thousands of years ago.

1037
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: Come on, what's a big deal? And here we are

1038
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: with a fallen, broken world that's ravaged by sin and

1039
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: devastation and death. Right, Like, it's like what Nathan said,

1040
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: you know, to Tasaul, It's like, what's this bleeding of

1041
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: the sheep? I hear? Oh, yeah, they're for the Lord.

1042
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: You know, obedience is better than sacrifice.

1043
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: God.

1044
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: God wants us to recognize the value of yielding to Him.

1045
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: And you know, the pendulum swings right. And so the

1046
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 2: overreaction of you know, I mean, the proper reaction to

1047
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: a workspace gospel, which is good, has turned into an

1048
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: overreaction to where now like we we ignore the parts

1049
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: of scripture that tell us to exercise ourselves for godliness.

1050
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: That's good. Over emphasis of grace, yeah, is a problem.

1051
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the call of scripture to to put off the

1052
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: old man, the call the scripture to flee youthful lusts,

1053
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, to to be passionate for the Lord. I mean,

1054
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: we can do those things because we are saved, because

1055
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: we are redeemed.

1056
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: And and so that's the distinction in the in the

1057
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: Catholic conversation we had earlier, is that one gets you

1058
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: redeemed and the other what you're saying is because you're redeemed, absolutely,

1059
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: But either way, stop sinning.

1060
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the call scripture, what we're called to do that.

1061
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: And it's like, look, it's amazing, isn't it. Granger? You

1062
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: know when you think about how, in a secular sense,

1063
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Speaker 2: people respond to those who are going all out on

1064
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: something right, like you'll hear, oh, man, you know Kobe Bryant,

1065
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 2: he was so dedicated the Mamba work ethic, and you know,

1066
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: and and look at Chris Curry, Steph Curry what he

1067
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 2: does on the court and all his regimens. Who looks

1068
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: and goes, dude, you're over doing it. Stop man, just chill. No,

1069
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, that's admirable.

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00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

1071
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: Who says to a guy who's who says to a

1072
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: guy who quit smoking, what are you doing?

1073
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: Dude?

1074
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 2: He relaxed, don't worry about that. Noh that's cool. Oh

1075
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: he quit smoking. That's good. You know. I mean, you

1076
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: got campaigns across different states. Smoking is bad, you know,

1077
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: But you tell a guy, hey, bro, you know, you

1078
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: might want to be careful with what you watch, what

1079
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 2: you listen to, because that gets stirredy you up sexually,

1080
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: I'm not talking evening about porn, but the movies you

1081
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: watch with crazy steamy scenes and you know, and hey, dude, chill,

1082
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: don't get legalistic, brother, you know. And and at the

1083
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: same time, we're getting ravaged by the sin that is

1084
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 2: wreaking havoc and destroying people, you know, And so wow,

1085
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: we've got so good man.

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00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: I occasionally we'll hear from country artist country music singers

1087
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: that they'll turn to me because I guess they think, well,

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00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: Granger could help me, because he understands. I had this

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00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: one guy who's had quite a bit of success and

1090
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, man, I need I need to talk.

1091
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: I've got a bad problem. And I was like, yeah, man,

1092
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: He's like, when can we talk? And I'm thinking, did

1093
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, as he did he get upside down financially?

1094
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: Is he lost everything? Maybe he's you know, he got

1095
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: in trouble with some prostitute. I'm thinking, really crazy, you know.

1096
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: And he says he ends up saying I'm addicted to porn,

1097
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: and we shouldn't we shouldn't underestimate what he means by that,

1098
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: because all all these other things on the outside seem

1099
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: really bad and this is the same and he's saying,

1100
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: and I feel like a dark cloud is over me

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00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: and I can't stop. He said, In fact, my dad,

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00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: who's a Christian, had a dream and he said to hey, man,

1103
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: I I son, I had a dream that you know

1104
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: there there was that you were in trouble and you

1105
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: were running, and there was there was blood and it

1106
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: was he had this big, elaborate dream. And he goes,

1107
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: I know, I know that God put this dream in

1108
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: my dad's heart and I can't get out of it.

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00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: And he's on the outside, I'm smiling, and I'm living

1110
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: my life and I have success, and I have a

1111
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: girlfriend that I love, and but deep down I can't

1112
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: stop this stranger help me. Wow, And and this is

1113
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: happening everywhere. Yeah, these people people listening right now that

1114
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: are in the same dark cloud and on the outside

1115
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: they're smiling and and if someone finds out, they cover

1116
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: it up with what you said. Yeah, go easy, man, man,

1117
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: it's not bad.

1118
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know this this book is it's not

1119
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: a beat down book. It's I give guys a kick

1120
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: in the pants because we need it. Like, hey, like,

1121
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: sober up on this. This isn't a joke. There are

1122
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: ravages that will result from your sin. But it's a

1123
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: book of hope. That's the whole point. Like Christ can

1124
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: set you free, He's done it for many men, he

1125
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: can do it for you, and so so men need

1126
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 2: to recognize that there's hope in Christ. No matter how

1127
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 2: bad you've fallen, how far you've strayed, the Lord can

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00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 2: totally deliver you from it. I tell guys, look, it

1129
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: is possible, starting today for you to never look at

1130
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: porn again. Never. There's a difference between that and like

1131
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: a flash of lust. I would never tell man, you're

1132
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: never gonna have a flash of lust or struggle with

1133
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 2: you know, your eyes wandering. But there's a big difference

1134
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: between that and porn because porn is a process. You

1135
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: have to decide number one, I'm gonna look at porn

1136
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: right now. Then you have to you have to execute

1137
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: another action. You have to go and sit down at

1138
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: your computer, or you have to pull your phone out.

1139
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: Then you have to open up the browser. Then you

1140
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: have to put in a search word. Then you have

1141
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: to start scrolling. Then you have to start looking. It's

1142
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: a process, and it's possible to kill that process and

1143
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: never do it again. One of the problems is a

1144
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: lot of men say I can't help them, I can't stop,

1145
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: I can't help them. And then I give him a challenge.

1146
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: I say, look, if Elon Musk came up to you

1147
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: and put up one hundred million dollars for you, if

1148
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: you didn't look at porn for six months, one hundred

1149
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: million dollars guaranteed. I mean, it's made official, it's an

1150
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: Escro account. The money there, one hundred million dollars. Ranger.

1151
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: You and I both know every single man, everybody their

1152
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: dogs will do everything possible and they will succeed.

1153
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: Then he and Elon saying, and I'm monitoring all of

1154
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: your device.

1155
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna be monitored, right, And I tell guys too.

1156
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: And also let's add to that, Okay, every moment of

1157
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: your life is gonna be video recorded, right, all the time.

1158
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: And then all your porn times and all the stuff

1159
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: you do, that's all gonna be played in front of

1160
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: your church, in front of your wife, in front of

1161
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: your kids, in front of your mom, your dad, your family,

1162
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,959
Speaker 2: your friends. Give me the money, right, or I tell you, guys.

1163
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: I tell guys, if you know you're gonna have different

1164
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: parts of your body fall off every time you look

1165
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: at porn, there goes the right ear. Next time there

1166
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: goes the eyeball, there goes but see, but that's not happening.

1167
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: So guys aren't seeing physically what's happening. So it's like, ah, yeah,

1168
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: it's it's like it's I've said this often. You know,

1169
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: if our lungs were sitting on the outside of our

1170
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: chests instead of being covered by these walls of flesh,

1171
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: you would have a lot less smokers in this world.

1172
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: You've seen them before and after picking pictures of lungs,

1173
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: or like the healthy lung and the smoker's lung, and

1174
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: one as pink and you know, full of life, the

1175
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: other one is charred and black. The problem is is

1176
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: that guys don't see what's happening to their lungs, and

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00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 2: so they some of them are evenly physically fit and

1178
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: healthy and everything looks fine. But inside, man, they're decaying.

1179
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: And so so if men could see what's happening to

1180
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: their their spiritual man, the gaunt and weak and emaciated

1181
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: spiritual man, if they could see the ripple effects of

1182
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: what will happen to their children in the future because

1183
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: of their sin, to their wife, to the hindrance of

1184
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: the spread of the Gospel and be a wakem call.

1185
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: But now they're just going about everything seems fine, and

1186
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: you know there's no I mean, seriously, imagine every time

1187
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: you looked at porn one of your body parts were

1188
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: to fall.

1189
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: Off, and you're just echoing Jesus when he says, if

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00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: your eye causes you to sin, couch it out. Yeah,

1191
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: your hand caused cut it off? Yeah?

1192
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: Oh ge. This is a legalist bro. So you know

1193
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: it's that call to recognize, no, we're called to do

1194
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: war with the sin and to recognize that God has

1195
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: given us all that we need for that. And that's

1196
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Speaker 2: why the book's called the Bold the subtitles a bold

1197
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: Biblical battle plan. Guys need to give their heart and

1198
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: mind something to do before the battle during the battle,

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01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: and oftentimes, again they're not equipping themselves like soldiers, and

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01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: so I get really practical in the book. What I

1201
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: wanted with the book was I wanted a book that

1202
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: was biblically based but also theologically sound, because anyone can

1203
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: quote scripture and say this is in the Bible. If

1204
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: it's not theologically accurate, it's not exeguted properly, then it

1205
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But then I wanted it to be hyper practical,

1206
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 2: because you have a lot of books on the subject,

1207
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: but there's not like practicality, like how do I biblically

1208
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: carry this out? And then I wanted it to be memorable,

1209
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: because if you don't remember all the stuff you learned

1210
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 2: that was even practical, what's that going to help you?

1211
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: Jesse, what are the steps in the book? The ones

1212
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 1: that I remember? Tell me? Oh?

1213
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that goes with the note Yeah, yeah,

1214
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: so you know, the most the practical, the real practical

1215
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: section is called the you know, the Six Seeds to Succeed,

1216
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: and that's where I have you know, six biblical principles

1217
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: and then each of them is attached to an alliterated

1218
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: sentence that men memorize and they're you know, each chapter

1219
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: in that section is packed full of truth, and then

1220
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 2: you memorize the sentence and then that triggers so when

1221
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: you're being before you're tempted, you develop what I call

1222
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 2: preventative preparedness. So it's like the US doctrine of peace

1223
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: through strength. You bolster yourself so much at the enemies

1224
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 2: even hesitant to attack you, you know, and yeah, and

1225
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 2: so and and then when you do get attacked, you

1226
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: go through the six seas and then that strengthens you.

1227
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: But you do it beforehand too. Like you know, I'm

1228
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: going to go into the gym, I'm going to meditate

1229
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: on the sixth seas before even go in there, so

1230
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: that I'm my strength is bolstered. I'm ready, I'm equipped.

1231
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 2: And then if I'm in the midst of it and

1232
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: the temptations arise, I give my heart and mind something

1233
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: to do. I go to those six sees and I

1234
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: go through them.

1235
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: Which are creation, cross, crisis, crown, crowd in christ right,

1236
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: six sies, and a note. I love the note. Yeah

1237
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: that that got me too, because it's, like you said,

1238
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: it's so practical. Yeah.

1239
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: I know, we're running out of time, but maybe I

1240
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 2: could at least hit we have time here, I forget time,

1241
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: but like, if I could hit on at least to

1242
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 2: begin with creation, let's do that.

1243
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that. Do you need this?

1244
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: No, i'ven't meditated on this for years about that?

1245
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: No?

1246
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 2: So creation? You know. One of the things that makes

1247
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: sexual sin exceedingly sinful is the fact that we are

1248
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: using certain features and faculties to engage in that sexual

1249
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: sin that should be blowing our minds and causing us

1250
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: to worship God. So we begin with vision, right, think

1251
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: about what's happening with LUs. First, it's vision. Your eye

1252
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: has one hundred and thirty seven million light sensitive cells.

1253
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: The focusing muscle moves about one hundred thousand times a

1254
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 2: day each one of your eyes. Granger has a built

1255
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 2: in super sensitive light meter, im media, automatic focusing, wide

1256
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: angle lens, and full color instantaneous reproduction. Sounds like I'm

1257
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: talking about a camera, but the camera was patterned after

1258
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: the human eye. This is a marvel of ingenuity like this,

1259
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: the human eye. I mean, even Darwin said, to suppose

1260
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: that the human eye could be informed by natural selection

1261
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: seems I freely confess absurd. In the highest degree of course.

1262
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: It's absurd because it didn't happen. It was fully designed

1263
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 2: by God. You think of just vision and all that

1264
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 2: is entailed there.

1265
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: Have you seen those pictures of up close the eye

1266
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: up close? Oh?

1267
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it's it mind blow unbelievable. Yeah, and

1268
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: this blind process called evolution decided to give sight. Yeah.

1269
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 2: So but yeah, vision, But then your eyes are connected

1270
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: to your brain, right, something is processing these images so

1271
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Speaker 2: it's not just vision, but it's cognition. So you think

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01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 2: about the brain one hundred billion neurons or microscopic nerve cells,

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01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: has got more nerve lines and all the telephone lines

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Speaker 2: in the whole world put together. Right, You've got electrical

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: signals from two hundred thousand living thermometer cells, a half

1276
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 2: million pressure sensing cells, three to four million pain sensing cells,

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Speaker 2: plus all the signals from your eyes, ears, nose, and

1278
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 2: taste buds that are working in perfect order and harmony.

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Speaker 2: Then you've got imagination, you've got creativity, you've got memory,

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Speaker 2: you've got recall, like what computer can you compare the

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Speaker 2: human brain to? Right? And then you have coitionion, which

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 2: comes from the word coitus, which is the mechanism of

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Speaker 2: sexual intimacy. I mean you think about all that's involved

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Speaker 2: in that, from desire to pleasure, to anatomical compatibility to

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01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: dynamic emotional unity to procreation. Every human being that's ever

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Speaker 2: existed has come through this process, billions of image bearers.

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, when you pause, and that's what I

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01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: tell guys, you pause and think about what you're using

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01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: to commit these sins with. These things have God's fingerprints

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01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 2: of design all over them. They should be leading you

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Speaker 2: to worship. And you know what we do. It's like

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Speaker 2: we pull the Mona Lisa off the wall of the

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Speaker 2: loop and we throw it down on a dirty table

1294
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Speaker 2: and we use it as a place mat. We take

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01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: a live grenade and we play catch with it casually.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're doing. We're tampering. We're tampering with something

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Speaker 2: that is loaded with so much beauty and power and

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01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: you know, God oriented design and we're tampering with some

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Speaker 2: heavy stuff. And so this principle is, you know creation

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Speaker 2: and that alliterated sentences wield wonders as well springs for worship,

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01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: not weapons for wounding, because that's what we're doing. We're

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Speaker 2: taking them and returning them and using them as weapons

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Speaker 2: to wound the Lord. Others and ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Will willed wonders as well, springs for worship, not weapons

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Speaker 1: for wounding. Yeah, so you know it's got the soldier

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01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: mentality here, yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, and it goes on from there, and you

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Speaker 2: know all those different principles in there.

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Speaker 1: Cross Yeah, stop spitting and stomping on such a sacred symbol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because when we commit sexual sin, we're doing

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Speaker 2: it in the shadow of the cross, and we're saying

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Speaker 2: in essence that Christ's priceless sacrifice means nothing, and we

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01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: spit on it, we trample it beneath our feet.

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Speaker 1: Crisis, consider the catastrophic consequence of compromise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I mean, you think about what's happening.

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Speaker 2: You know. I keep a list granger of different Christian

1317
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: leaders and men who have fallen into sexual sin. And

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Speaker 2: the list is long, and it's tragic. But a part

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Speaker 2: of that principle is remembering those seeing those tragic examples

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01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: and avoiding them. And then I think about all the

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01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 2: other crises that result from sexual sin. The crisis of conscience.

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01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: You know, first of all, a wounded conscience limits you

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: in so many ways in life. That's that saying that says,

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01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 2: there's no softer pillow than a clear conscience. When you

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01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: don't have one, you can't be a person who is

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Speaker 2: at rest, who's filled with the peace of God. And

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Speaker 2: then a seared conscience is unbelievably dangerous because then you'll

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Speaker 2: do the unthinkable, and then you have the the crisis

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Speaker 2: of moral authority. How are you going to speak into

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Speaker 2: the life of your son, of your younger brother of

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01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 2: a dear friend who is being destroyed by pornography. When

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Speaker 2: you yourself are tampering with it, you won't Then the crisis

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Speaker 2: of leadership capacity. You limit yourself from being used as

1334
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 2: a man in all these leadership roles, or at the

1335
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 2: very least, you're limiting your effect and impact because you

1336
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 2: can't be thriving and being a good leader. You won't

1337
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: want to lead anyone, and no one will want to

1338
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: follow you because even though they might not know you're

1339
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 2: doing that, they see the weakness in your life. And

1340
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 2: then you have the crisis of witness. How excited are

1341
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: you going to be to share the gospel when you're

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01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 2: tampering with porn and living in a way that's contrary

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01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 2: to the gospel. And then the crisis of joy, which

1344
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: is really the spice of life for the Christian. I mean,

1345
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 2: it's a it's a part of our inheritance as believers

1346
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 2: to have the joy of the spirit.

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Speaker 1: He's my friend, that's saying I have this dark cloud

1348
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: over me. He's basically saying my joy is gone, right, Yeah, exactly,

1349
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:20,520
Speaker 1: That's that's what happens. And you know, and and that desensitization.

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Speaker 1: I remember one time counseling a young man when I

1351
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: was pastoring in the prayer room and he said, Man,

1352
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm reading the word, I'm praying, I'm going to church,

1353
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: he said, but I feel so weak. I feel so

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Speaker 1: I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: And I just looked at him and I asked him

1356
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: if he participated in a very specific Lewde sexual sin.

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Speaker 2: And it's like he's just he looked off to the side,

1358
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 2: and then he like the light bulb started to go,

1359
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 2: you know, on, and he goes, yeah, I do do that.

1360
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 2: He's like, you think that has something to do with it?

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01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 2: So desensitized because it became such an habitual part of

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01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,520
Speaker 2: his life. He's not connecting the dots. You're living in constant,

1363
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: flagrant rebellion against the Lord, and you expect to be

1364
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Speaker 2: thriving spiritually. No way, That's where that crisis.

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Speaker 1: This crisis also if run to its logical conclusion, and

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Speaker 1: if it's uninhibited by morality, basic morality, then I've seen

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Speaker 1: where it goes. Oh I've been to Thailand. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you get these men, these older men, flying to Thailand

1369
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Speaker 1: to these remote places to take little boys to a

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Speaker 1: hotel room. Absolutely, and you wonder what sicko would do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's sicko that a long time ago started with just

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Speaker 1: a peak of porn.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, because because what happens is, you know, with with

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Speaker 2: with your endorphin levels, it gets to a point it's

1375
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 2: like with drugs, you need more, and before long the

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01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 2: stuff that would would cause you to get aroused doesn't

1377
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Speaker 2: do it anymore. So you know, a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit more, a little bit more weird, weird.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I won't even say any of the stuff

1380
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Speaker 2: I've heard is out there because I don't want to

1381
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: stumble anyone. But it's so it's so reprehensible, but that's

1382
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: that's how well, that's how sin works. It's progressive and destructive,

1383
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 2: and so people have to understand what they're opening themselves

1384
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: up to. And that's why we see marriages destroyed, because

1385
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 2: I mean, basically, a man's committing adultery with hundreds of

1386
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 2: women constantly in his imagination and through images, and now

1387
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 2: he's expecting that kind of performance, which is totally unrealistic

1388
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 2: from his wife. And he's also depleted because he's giving

1389
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 2: his energy away there. And so man, the repercussions are

1390
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 2: so multifaceted and so numerous. It's tragic, such a good book, man.

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Speaker 1: I wish everyone could have this crown envision endurance, ensuring

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01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:42,440
Speaker 1: eternal enrichment.

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01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,520
Speaker 2: James one twelve blessed as a man who endures temptation,

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01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: for when he has been approved, he'll receive the crown

1395
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 2: of life, which the Lord has promised to do his

1396
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: love them. And that crown of life is not the

1397
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 2: crown of salvation. But when you study it out, it's

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01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 2: dealing with eternal reward. Look. Two Corinthians five says we

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01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. We're

1400
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: going to give account for our lives. And even though

1401
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: for the believer that's not a judgment under condemnation, it's

1402
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 2: still a very serious and intense day of reckoning. And

1403
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 2: we will suffer loss of what what rewards we could

1404
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: have had in the eternal realm. And anything God wants

1405
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: for us we should we we should want, and so

1406
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: that that's an important one, and so we need to

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01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: we need to think on rewards. I mean, you look

1408
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: at Hebrews, and I mean you talked about Piper earlier, right,

1409
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 2: I mean, Christ, for the joint that was set before him,

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01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 2: endured the cross, and it's speaking of Moses. You know that.

1411
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: You know, he was looking to the reward and so on.

1412
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: So away we're called to do that, and we want

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01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 2: to understand that our temporal sins will have eternal ramifications

1414
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 2: for you, for us as believers.

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Speaker 1: You're a good talker. You talk as well as you right,

1416
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: you should have a podcast or some good Yeah, you

1417
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: should be like the president of like a big minister

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01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: wuary crowd, do as the departed did, and don't dispense devastation. Right.

1419
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 2: So Hebrews twelve to one says, you know, because we're

1420
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 2: surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us

1421
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 2: set aside the weights and the sins that so easily

1422
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 2: ensnare us. And that word cloud that has been translated

1423
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,759
Speaker 2: in some places as crowd. And so that's really referring

1424
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 2: to Hebrews eleven, the previous chapter, the Hall of Faith,

1425
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: and all of those saints that went before us, and

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 2: all that they endured, but all that they persevered through

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01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 2: because of faith. And at the end it says, and

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01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: we're tempted. In the last portion, some of them were

1429
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 2: tempted and they persevered, and so we need to think

1430
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: of them because we're surrounded by so great a cloud

1431
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: when it says their testimony of faith trusting the Lord,

1432
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: and we need to cast those sins aside. And then

1433
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: we need to think of the crowd of our children

1434
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: and our grandchildren, and our wives and our friends as

1435
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: I alluded to before our sin affects them. And so

1436
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 2: we need to wake up and say, wow, I can't

1437
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: let myself do this because of love, and I'm going

1438
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: to fight and so yeah, that one is due as

1439
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 2: the departed did the Hall of faith, and don't dispense

1440
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 2: devastation to those that you love.

1441
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: And then your booke end. You know, you start with

1442
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: creation and end of course with Christ always that's the book,

1443
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: in the beginning, in the end, and seek the sweet

1444
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: Savior for strength, satisfaction and sympathetic support.

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01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it all comes down to Christ. He's everything,

1446
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: and apart from him we can do nothing. So he

1447
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 2: has to be the source of our strength, and we

1448
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 2: need to recognize that our calling is to have an intimate, personal,

1449
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 2: close relationship with him. You know, there's a there was

1450
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 2: a Christian hip hop artist that did this song that

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01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 2: had a really powerful line in it and it said

1452
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: this said he was giving this sort of this kind

1453
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 2: of Pilgrim's progress, scene of a guy running toward the

1454
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: kingdom and the porn monster is coming at him like

1455
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 2: a dragon and trying to attack him. And he had

1456
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 2: this line that was so powerful. He said, with my sword,

1457
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,440
Speaker 2: I hacked it to pieces because I'm way more attracted

1458
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: to Jesus. And He's got to be our everything. Man,

1459
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,799
Speaker 2: when you fall in love with Christ, when you taste

1460
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: of him, you don't want to wound such a savior.

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01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 2: You want to you don't want anything to interrupt that

1462
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 2: sweet fellowship you have with him. And often we're not

1463
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: pursuing the Lord, we're not seeking after him with our

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01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 2: whole heart, and so so there's that danger. So Christ

1465
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 2: has to be or everything. You have to feast on him,

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01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: you know, he said, you know, if we drink of

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01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: the water he gives, if we feast upon him, we'll

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01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 2: never hunger and thirst again. So what happens is if

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01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 2: we deprive ourselves of Christ as our spiritual sustenance, it

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01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 2: leads to a process of spiritual starvation. I mean it's

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01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 2: like in the physical right you see physical starvation. It

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01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: starts with deprivation. You're first deprived of your normal sustenance.

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01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: Then it leads to desperation. When you haven't had what

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01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 2: you normally have, you'll get desperate to where you know

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01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: you're willing to do the thinkable. Then it leads to deviation.

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Speaker 2: Now you deviate and you actually begin to eat things

1477
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 2: you would never eat. Here about people in starving countries.

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01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: They're eating grass and tree bark and rats and cockroaches.

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01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 2: The story alive that rugby team that crashed up in

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01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 2: the Andes. They ended up eating their friends. Remember who

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01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: in their right mind would do that? No one in

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01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: their right mind. But starvation is a state of it's

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,919
Speaker 2: an altered state of mind. And then obviously it ultimately

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 2: leads to deterioration. And so in the same in the spiritual,

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01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: you deprive yourself of feasting on Christ. That deprivation leads

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01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 2: to desperation. You get desperate, you have to satisfy. Then

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01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,839
Speaker 2: it leads to deviation. You start satisfying yourself with physical

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01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 2: stuff in the place of the spiritual, and it leads

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01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 2: to deterioration. And so we have to feed on Christ.

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01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 2: He sympathizes with our weaknesses and causes us to come

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01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 2: boldly to his throne of grace. He doesn't break a bruise.

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01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 2: Read he doesn't quench a smoldering wick, and it tells

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01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 2: us first John, these things were written so that you

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Speaker 2: may not sin. But if anyone sins, we have an

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01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 2: advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous is a

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 2: propitiation for our sins. So we're not to sin. But

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01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: if we do. Christ paid for those sins. He's our advocate,

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01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 2: our attorney, the one who comes alongside to help. He

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01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: paid for those sins with his blood, and so he

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01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 2: can set you free.

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01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 1: Not the confession booth.

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01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 2: God forbid.

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01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: Okay, you are the man of alliteration. Should be a

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01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: country music songwriter.

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01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to do a rap and uh.

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01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: So you finished this idea with Nope, I love nope yeah,

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01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: not one peak ever.

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01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so so I am so practical.

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01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 1: Not one peak ever.

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01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah it's even but ever works?

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01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry sorry I do say I do mess that up?

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01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah it works? Not one peak even even? Yeah, yes, yeah,

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01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: ever works too. I have other people right and say, hey,

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01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: should be ever ever even? I think I saw someone

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01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: say that.

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01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so let me give you the backdrop to

1517
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 2: that real quickly. So I was counseling a young man.

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01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 2: I said, hey, man, how you doing with porn? You said,

1519
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty good. I said, how you doing with lust?

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01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 2: Because this is the right A lot of guys say, well,

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01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 2: I'm not looking at porn, but we have a porn

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01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: machine in our brains, you know, from images we've seen

1523
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 2: or ones that our minds can conjure up. And there

1524
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 2: are women walking around everywhere we could lust after. And

1525
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: so I said, how are you doing with that? And

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01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 2: he kind of hung his head, sort of in defeat discouragement,

1527
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 2: say I'm not doing too well there. And as he

1528
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 2: said that, granger, I felt this sort of zeal for

1529
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 2: righteousness and purity rise up in my heart and I

1530
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: just said, brother, we just need to say, man, enough

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01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 2: is enough. I am done with this. I said, you

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01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 2: know what, we just need to We just need to

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01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 2: say nope, this is over. I said, in fact, we should.

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01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 2: We should say that word nope out loud, because you know,

1535
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 2: nope has has an attitude. It's different than no. Say

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01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 2: hey can you do this for me?

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01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 2: Can you do this for me? And I go no,

1539
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 2: But if you can you do this for me.

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01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: I go Nope.

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01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 2: It's like ooh, all right, that's got some attitude with it.

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01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 2: He's serious about this. So anyway, I said, we should

1543
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 2: say that word out loud. You know, I felt it

1544
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 2: resonated with him, resonated with me. Next day, I'm leaving home,

1545
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 2: driving in my car, heading toward the office. I'm still

1546
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 2: in my neighborhood, and these two girls come jogging by,

1547
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 2: wearing barely any thing. Caught a glimpse of them in

1548
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 2: my periphery, and instinctively, without even thinking, I go nope

1549
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 2: out loud, And as soon as I said it, I thought, man,

1550
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 2: I wish there was some kind of a crosstick that

1551
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 2: went along with it that could help me and men.

1552
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 2: And so then that popped into my mind right away,

1553
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,480
Speaker 2: not one peak even, and so but later it progressed,

1554
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 2: and I thought, okay, but why not one peak even?

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01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 2: Why what fuels that well? Like we talked about before,

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01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 2: it's love. It's the five main things that I love.

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01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: And so you know, Jesus said, whoever puts his hand

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01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 2: to the plow and looks back isn't fit for the kingdom.

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01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 2: And so I envisioned my hand going out to grab

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01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 2: a hold of the plow, and each one of my

1561
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 2: fingers as it wraps around the handle represents one of

1562
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 2: my main loves, and so not one peak even Why.

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01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: Because I love my Lord, the one who paid the

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01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 2: highest price ever paid for anything ever purchased in the

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01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 2: history of the universe, to redeem me. I don't want

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01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: to wound him. I love my Lady, the one that

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01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 2: I vowed before heaven and Earth to be faithful to

1568
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 2: my soul companion, the one I'm called to lay my

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01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 2: life down for. I don't want to wound her. I

1570
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 2: love my lineage, my children, my grandchildren, successive future generations.

1571
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 2: My sin will impact them. I love his lambs. I

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01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 2: love God's children, the ones that I'm called to be

1573
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 2: an example to and to lead and influence. And finally,

1574
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: I love the lost, the ones I'm called to be

1575
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: an example to through the Gospel and to reach with

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01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 2: the truth. So because I love my Lord, because I

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01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 2: love my Lady, because I love my lineage, because I

1578
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 2: love His lambs, because I love the lost. Nope, not

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01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 2: one peak even or ever the glory of God.

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01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: So we talked about that literally in our church building

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01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: the other day. Wow.

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01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, Grangel, let me just say, man,

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01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: I've been humbled by the response. First of all, that

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01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 2: doctor John MacArthur endorsed it, said every man needs to help.

1585
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 2: This excellent book offers. Kirk Cameron endorsed it. Ray comfort.

1586
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 2: Of course, ken Ham wrote the wrote the foreword to

1587
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 2: the book, but in an Australian accent, so you need

1588
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 2: translations understand it. And then the success of the book

1589
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 2: has has blown my mind. You know, Debut is a

1590
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 2: number one best seller, number one new release on Amazon

1591
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 2: in its category, and the number one best seller out

1592
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 2: of you know, all categories. It was one of the

1593
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 2: top books, and so and and I have an email

1594
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 2: address at the end of the book that tells men

1595
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: to write in if they have a story of how

1596
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: the book has impacted them. And I have been blown

1597
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 2: away by the emails. I'm getting a guy saying this

1598
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 2: has changed my life. This has really helped give me

1599
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 2: practical tools and biblical insight into it. And so it's

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01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 2: been humbling and I'm encouraged to see what God's going

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01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 2: to do through Amen.

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01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: You are a modern day Puritan. They you know that

1603
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 1: the Puritans talked about these things and they they fought

1604
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 1: viciously against sin. Yeah, and we've really we've lost that.

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01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: I think I think you nailed it. Where we have

1606
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: I said it wrong. We have an overemphasis of grace.

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01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: You can never overemphasize grace. But what I mean is

1608
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:59,440
Speaker 1: the teaching of the doctrine of grace. Yeah, it overwhelms

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01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: the man's responsibility to fight sin, to fight like a man. Yeah.

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01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: And the Puritans knew this.

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01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, look and Titus tells us the grace of

1612
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching

1613
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 2: us that denying on godliness and all worldly luss, we

1614
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 2: should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age.

1615
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 2: The grace of God to bring salvation has appeared to

1616
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 2: all men teaching us these things. So if you're saying that,

1617
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: oh I'm under grace and you're living in sin, you

1618
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 2: have not been tutored by grace, because grace teaches you

1619
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 2: to deny on godliness and all worldly luss to live soberly, righteously,

1620
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 2: and godly in the present age. So no be killing sin,

1621
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 2: or sin will be killing you. We have to do

1622
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: war with sin. We have the weaponry to do it.

1623
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 2: It's now to stand. It's time to stand up and

1624
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 2: be men and fight.

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01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: Amen. Will you come back ever to Texas? And brother,

1626
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: or maybe I'll go to you.

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01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 2: Come on, let's do it. We want you, We want

1628
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 2: you to come in the studio and do a podcast

1629
01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 2: with us as well, and we'll do that country and rap.

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01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, man.

1631
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: You gotta grab some unholy waterburger maybe on your way out.

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01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: Oh don't even say that, brother, Thank you, easy, appreciate it.

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01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 2: Been a pleasure.

1634
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: Brother.

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01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith podcast. I

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01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: appreciate all of you guys. You could help me out

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