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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 3: Our colleague Dole is on adventures, but will be returning soon.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 3: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, Mission

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Speaker 3: control decand most importantly, you are you. You are here that

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Speaker 3: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Tonight we're just talking about this off air with Paul.

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 3: Tonight, we are returning to an unfortunately still unfolding story

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Speaker 3: that recently rocked America and indeed the world. It's a

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Speaker 3: story we've been exploring for years at this point, starting

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Speaker 3: back in twenty nineteen when we asked, who is this

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein character? Why does it seem he broke the

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Speaker 3: law and got away? It's a question that has some

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Speaker 3: added context now, as we all know, Jeffrey Epstein has

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Speaker 3: passed away, and this evening we are returning with a

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Speaker 4: Matt.

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Speaker 3: It's been a long time in coming, and I think

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Speaker 3: maybe we start off by telling everybody tuning in now,

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Speaker 3: please be aware this may not be appropriate for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Most definitely not appropriate for all audiences. We covered him

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Speaker 2: for the first time in January of twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 2: which is pretty crazy, less than a year away from

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Speaker 2: his death when we started talking about him again. This

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Speaker 2: is a weird update because Ben, I don't know about you.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how much targeted advertising was going to

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Speaker 2: play into this episode about Epstein.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and well, without further ado, let's get into it,

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Speaker 3: explore that and everything else. Here are the facts. Who

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Speaker 3: was Epstein? We know this, longtime listeners, you know this.

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Speaker 3: For much of his career, Jeffrey Epstein officially was a financier,

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Speaker 3: a former teacher turned money guy. There is nothing inherently

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Speaker 3: he dropped out. And then there's even The more you dig,

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Speaker 3: the more weird stuff you find. Some of it kind

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Speaker 3: makes you think, like were in our past episodes. I

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Speaker 3: which is its own kind of bag of badgers. Remember that,

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Speaker 3: the weird sci fi author.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very strange. Yeah, I remember more of

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Speaker 2: the financial connections that seemed to just come out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Bear Stearns is a company that a lot of people

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Speaker 2: were talking about a long, long time ago, now in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, but they were a major investment investment

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Speaker 2: giant financial collapse that occurred in well, the targeted financial

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's somewhat separate, but it's distinct from, but

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Speaker 3: somehow related to his connections with folks like Leslie Wexner.

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. After he left the Dalton School or

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Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy six. He did snaggage at bear Stearns,

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Speaker 3: different names. Check out our past episodes. His firms always

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Speaker 3: you want those big VIP accounts.

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Speaker 2: Well, and he was aided quite a bit by his

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Speaker 3: it's like a money farmer, and his career seemed more

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Speaker 3: He conspired to do these things. These are true conspiracies.

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Speaker 3: History would later prove this was also an open secret

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Speaker 3: And the two thousand and five accusations actually lead to something.

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Speaker 3: federal investigation will find credible allegations of abuse related to

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Speaker 3: Messed up, unclean stuff. And fast forward to two thousand

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Speaker 3: but he strikes a cartoonish sweetheart plea deal he pleads

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Speaker 3: the charges he played guilty to are procuring a child

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Speaker 3: Maybe I remember we were all baffled. We didn't believe

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Speaker 3: it at first. He could essentially, during these thirteen months,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely go back to the twenty nineteen episode, the

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Speaker 2: basically as the person grooming these people who then end

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Speaker 2: up at Jeffrey Epstein's one of his palatial estates, usually

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Speaker 3: Right, So he's operating, He's got an island that he

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Speaker 3: more in depth about Gallaine Maxwell in our Gallaiine Maxwell update,

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Speaker 2: Is anybody skeptical about the criminal nature of these.

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Speaker 3: Robert Maxwell. Whole different bag badgers, possibly related the federal government.

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Speaker 3: Federal authorities again arrest Jeffrey Epstein on July sixth, twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: This time his charges his trafficking charges are interstate and scope.

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Speaker 3: He is charged with trafficking minors, specifically for sex in

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Speaker 3: he dies in prison under circumstances that even the most

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Speaker 3: zealous of skeptics can only describe as murky. The official

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Speaker 2: And we have a whole episode on that too, by

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Speaker 3: Check out that one is epstein suicide and the autopsy war.

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Speaker 3: It's look the suicide conclusion, which was reached by the

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Speaker 3: of what happened at JFK. Right, Epstein's own lawyers thought

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Speaker 3: it was bs and then just a year later, less

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Speaker 3: than a year later, actually Gallin Maxwell is arrested in

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Speaker 3: July of twenty twenty, charged and convicted as similar crimes.

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Speaker 2: That is correct. The big difference for me between the

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Speaker 2: JFK assassination and you know, the death of Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: is that we have film of JFK's assassination. We have

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Speaker 2: a ton of witnesses.

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Speaker 4: Whose cameras were working.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and with Epstein the cameras were not working,

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Speaker 2: and we have really zero witnesses.

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Speaker 3: check out the episode. In the wake of this, I

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Speaker 3: think we can all agree this guy's a villain, right sure.

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Speaker 3: In the wake of his passing, further investigations didn't really

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Speaker 3: and even now twenty twenty four, in the years after

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Speaker 3: his death, the public continues to wonder did he have

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Speaker 3: dirt on people? If so, whom will we ever learn

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Speaker 3: why he spent so much time engaging in human trafficking.

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Speaker 3: He didn't need the money at this point, right, he

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Speaker 3: was a proven multimillionaire. If he was indeed trafficking underage

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Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know man's It's the mother of all conspiracy tropes, right,

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a not so hidden cabal of a small

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The main way you get in trouble in this

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Speaker 3: But this one, like you said, it's different because there

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Speaker 3: Look at the earlier initial reports too. I want to

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Speaker 3: And you know, the question haunted people in the wake

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Speaker 3: There are like one hundred and eighty four people listed

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Speaker 3: They've released a lot of stuff, But the problem is

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell. Think of everybody you have

436
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 3: met in your life up to now. Imagine if any

437
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: one of them committed a crime and you were listed

438
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: as someone who knew, met or was in the same

439
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 3: room as them at some point, do you think that

440
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: makes you automatically guilty. I hope not, because, like most

441
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: of us, I.

442
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: Met a lot of people. You know what I mean?

443
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: This is this is also this problem, I would argue,

444
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 3: is exacerbated because he is functioning Jeffrey Epstein's functioning in

445
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 3: relatively rarefied air. A lot of people at this level

446
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: of the socioeconomic pyramid or hierarchy, whatever you want to

447
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 3: call it. They know each other. They have a lot

448
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: of stuff in common. Of course, they were going to

449
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: run into each other, you know, I mean even all

450
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: the US presidents, even the ones who don't personally like

451
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: each other, they hang out, They know each other. They

452
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: kick it because they have so much in common with

453
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: each other despite their differences. And that's kind of what

454
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: happens when you get to a certain level of finance.

455
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is true. Should we just go over like

456
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: some more of these individuals.

457
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

458
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: They're not all really named jay Do. No, No, that's

459
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: kind of a monarcher. We talked about Prince Andrew, who

460
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: for a brief moment, looked like he was going to

461
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: get in some kind of actual trouble what normal people

462
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: would call trouble.

463
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: There's a really interesting article you can read called could

464
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth have stopped Prince Andrew's BBC interview from airing?

465
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: That was published I think today or yesterday as we're

466
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: recording this on April fourteenth, and it's in Town and

467
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: Country magazine, And it is a very interesting just concept

468
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: of like, could could the Queen back in the day

469
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: when she was still alive, could she have prevented Prince

470
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: Andrew from actually going on the BBC and talking about

471
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: this that whole like sweating thing.

472
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 4: Remember, that's like the is the legal framework there.

473
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, but it's just interesting context in that if

474
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: you want to jump through that.

475
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: And before we move on, Prince Andrew is a whole

476
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: other story. He did settle a lawsuit with his primary

477
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: accuser while the entire time denying any involvement or having

478
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: ever met her or anything like that. His attorney said, quote,

479
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew regrets his association with Epstein and commends the

480
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: bravery of the survivor, Virginia Geffrey Geffrey and other survivors

481
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: in standing up for themselves and others.

482
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: Wow, I don't like it.

483
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, don't like it very much either. Let's just

484
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: go ahead and talk about Brooklinn. Let's do it. Let's

485
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: get it out of the way.

486
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: Famous amateur saxophonist Bill Glinn.

487
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, governor of Arkansas, who didn't know anything about what

488
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: was going on in Mina in the airport there with

489
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: the drugs and the CIA, and didn't know anything about

490
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: what was the other.

491
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 3: Scandal, factor eight exporting hepatitie and HIV around the world.

492
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had no idea.

493
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: He had no idea that you know, what was going

494
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: on with mister Epstein and miss Maxwell. He just didn't

495
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: no idea.

496
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: He was just he was like, I'll take a free

497
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: jet you know what I mean, a free jet ride.

498
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: I should say his name is on manifest for the

499
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: private jet he had taken. Four trips have been documented,

500
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: and their response to this, because the Clintons did respond,

501
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: was that these trips were in connection with the work

502
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: of the Clinton Foundation.

503
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, don't forget. Hillary was there too.

504
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: Hillary Rodham Clinton was also there. Not an amateur saxophonist,

505
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: but former Secretary of State, almost president, almost president once

506
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: upon a time, and Clinton neither. No one in the

507
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: Clinton family or political dynasty has at this point been

508
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: officially accused of any crimes related to the Epstein abuse empire.

509
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 3: Twenty nineteen, Clinton released a statement denying all knowledge, like

510
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: we said, of any trafficking, abuse or related villainy. As

511
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: far as the mechanics of willful ignorance or the ins

512
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: and outs of plausible deniability, that is, I think that's

513
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: up for phi philosophical and legal debate, is it not?

514
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: It is most certainly.

515
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: Oh, but he's not the only president. As we said,

516
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: fans of Home Alone Two Lost in New York, you

517
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: probably remember Donald Trump. He's I would say, most famous

518
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: for his cameo in that In that film, he was

519
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: also president for a time. He is currently busy in

520
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: court for a totally totally different thing.

521
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's financial right racization.

522
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: So maybe that's New York Manhattan financi guys doing what

523
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: they're doing. Yeah, who knows. Seems like there was definitely

524
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: something going on there. Whether you're a fan of him

525
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: or not, it kind of doesn't change the fact that

526
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: he's also seems to be pretty involved.

527
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course there were Again, it's the it's

528
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: the kind of thing where if you do or don't,

529
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: if you already dislike someone when you hear them associated

530
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: with something like this, you can immediately and easily make

531
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: a logical jump. Oh sure, even when that's not necessarily founded,

532
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: I will say. You can hear and you can see

533
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: video of Donald Trump dancing with Jeffrey Epstein. You can

534
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: you can see that they are they are talking about

535
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: each other in public and very friendly terms. Donald Trump

536
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: has a quote that did not age well about Epstein.

537
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: Do you remember that one?

538
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: Oh? No, oh, what was that quote?

539
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: In an article published in New York Magazine on October

540
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: twenty eighth, two thousand and two. It's called Jeffrey Epstein

541
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: International Moneyman of Mystery. And in this article, the reporter

542
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: speaks with Donald Trump and Trump says, I've known jeff

543
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: for fifteen years. He's a terrific guy. He's a lot

544
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: of fun to be with. It's even said that he

545
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many

546
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: of them are on the younger side, No doubt about it.

547
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: Jeffrey enjoys his social life.

548
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: Hey. You could also find numerous images that have been

549
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: taken over the years with Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein

550
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: posing together, looking real chummy, hanging out and remember, yeah,

551
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: Epstein had that palm beach thing. Whyere is maar a lago? Oh?

552
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: Really close? So anyway, there's that. There are also numerous

553
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: pictures social pictures of at least Bill Clinton with Jeffrey Epstein.

554
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: So if you ever like think this is all bs,

555
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: these guys are full of it. Like maybe because a

556
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: picture of someone hanging out socially with another person, maybe

557
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: that's absolutely nothing. Maybe it's literally a business meeting. It

558
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: could be that they could. But when I don't know,

559
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: when you put it all together and their names get

560
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: released in a list the way these guys were, the

561
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: dots have been connected.

562
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: Also, people are not stupid most people. Again, I know

563
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,959
Speaker 3: this sounds naive, but I believe fundamentally that most people

564
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: are incredibly intelligent, especially when given the opportunity to digest

565
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: information and the access to information.

566
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: So picture it this way, folks.

567
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: What if you have a really wealthy friend who just

568
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: happens to live in your neighborhood. Right, he's inviting you

569
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: over to parties because he's a neighborly dude, But often

570
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 3: he says, oh, hey, hold up, I'll see later. I

571
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: gotta go get a massage. At some point, you have

572
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 3: to wonder how often does this guy get massages, you

573
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean, even if you're totally not involved

574
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: in anything else, right if if like I don't know, man,

575
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 3: it seems kind of hard to ignore.

576
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: If he asks you to get a massage, raise your

577
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: hand and be like, no, thank you, no, thank you.

578
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 3: I appreciate the gesture, but I am out. Oh other

579
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: people got accused. Michael Jackson. Oh, and David Copperfield. That's

580
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: a deep cut.

581
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 4: Remember him the Illusionist?

582
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, I do remember him. I remember.

583
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 4: State Building.

584
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's still active in Vegas. I feel

585
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: like I remember seeing signs for Copperfield in Vegas while

586
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: we were there last time.

587
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: It's weird, Yeah, because celebrities and acts that you would

588
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: have thought are long retired often they just went to Vegas.

589
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: Yep, you know.

590
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that's the excuse we should start giving

591
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: kids when a pet passes away. Fluffy's Fluffy is fine.

592
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: She's just doing her residency in Vegas.

593
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: Oh, we've been doing this for well over a decade.

594
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: Is that where we're gonna end up?

595
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 4: We can end up in Vegas. Oh, man, it's just stuff.

596
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: They don't want you to know. We're just in a

597
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: like darkened corner in a casino somewhere and we every day. Yeah,

598
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: welcome back to this evening's episode of stuff. Right, don't

599
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: want you to know.

600
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: We've got a tiger.

601
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: Now, we'll just what we'll do to jazz up the show.

602
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 3: We'll just use all the leftover props in accoutrement from

603
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: acts in the past.

604
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 2: Oh, that's great, that's great, that's great.

605
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: We'll get them to drop by.

606
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: We'll check on whichever Osmond is still in action and

607
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: just have them like walk on stage like, hey, one

608
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: of the Osmond's, Dude, it writes itself, it rights itself, agreed,

609
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: And these depositions speak of writing and they seem kind

610
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: of damning too. In the David Copperfield situation, one of

611
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: the survivors of abuse is asked did Field, being David Copperfield,

612
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: ever discussed Jeffrey's involvement with young girls like you, to

613
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: which to which the person responds quote. He questioned me

614
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: if I was aware that girls were getting paid to

615
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: find other girls going to the networking aspect, because you

616
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: mentioned Galley Maxwell searching for people who fit this demographic

617
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: of abuse. They would also offer to pay girls to

618
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: bring their friends over and to bring them into the trafficking.

619
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: It's just dirty stuff, man, And I guess we should

620
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: also point out I hate that it's true, but it

621
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: is important for us to note because of the heinous

622
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: and unclean nature of this conspiracy. There were opportunists who

623
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 3: would photo shop or construct fake images that appeared to

624
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: have somebody next to Galaine Maxwell or Efrey Epstein, and

625
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: it became for a time it became pretty difficult to

626
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: suss out which of those were true and which of

627
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: those were fakes. And all we can say is thank

628
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: goodness this happened before the huge advent of the deep fake.

629
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there are also non credible accusations coming out

630
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: all the time. There was one really recently involving Disney

631
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: something crazy.

632
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: Oh.

633
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: It made the rounds on TikTok, and the headline was

634
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: that Disney is buying Epstein's Island and making a theme

635
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: park on it, which is just you know, not happening

636
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: at all. That was put out by a satire parody site, which,

637
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, so many things that get circulated on social

638
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: media now originate either a satire parody. Somebody shares it

639
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: without context, I'm assuming because they don't know like and

640
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: maybe an older person who doesn't know how the internet

641
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: works post it and then somebody else sees it like

642
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: oh what, oh my god, and then they start posting.

643
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 2: But yeah, that, at least as of right now, doesn't

644
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: appear to be true.

645
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm I'm this is Gallows humor. But I'm only laughing

646
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: because I'm remembering a bit from Shane Gillis's one of

647
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: his stand up specials where he's talking about what he

648
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 3: called He's like, he's talking about how his dad drinks

649
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: a lot and then watches the news and it's the

650
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: worst way to watch the news while you're getting like

651
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 3: kind of tanked on beer or whatever. And so he's

652
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: he's dozing off and he hears some news like rockets

653
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: are being fired in the Middle East, and.

654
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: He's like, huh, what's going on there? Man?

655
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: What?

656
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: And then he has to just find the person who

657
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: is unfortunately closest to him physically at that moment and

658
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: try to repeat the story back to him. Shout out

659
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: to Shane Gillis, By the way, he's fantastic stand up.

660
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very interesting fellow. A lot of people find

661
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: him was super controversial. I don't know. I think he's

662
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: a hell.

663
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: I don't know much about him, to be honest. I

664
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 3: saw two stand up specials, I want to say, but

665
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: apparently he made some I think he was on Saturday

666
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: Night Live. But he did some really out of pocket stuff.

667
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: Well stuff that people are offended by. But again, like

668
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: he's a comedian. He got hired to host SNL. He

669
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: said some stuff. Maybe you don't like it, maybe you do.

670
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny.

671
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: All right, there we go, you know, speaking of segues,

672
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: let's go back to the horror show that is this list.

673
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: You can read kind of a dubious who's who of

674
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: famous people on these lists or pulled from these court documents. Again,

675
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 3: there hasn't been a publicized comprehensive like smoking Gun, Little

676
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: Black Book. I Jeffrey Epstein am writing this, and here's

677
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 3: the list of people that did evil stuff. What you

678
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 3: can see is again all just from these court documents.

679
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: And in January twenty twenty four, writing for The Independent,

680
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: Alex Ross and EO. Dodds published a pretty extensive list

681
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: of like globally notable figures, including Alan Dershowitz, a lawyer

682
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: and a media pundit. He's listed as being in close

683
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: association with Epstein. He's been accused of participating in this

684
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 3: trafficking or in the abuse of children. But the question

685
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 3: here is a little different with this guy because Matt,

686
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 3: we both know he represented Epstein as his legal counsel.

687
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 3: You would naturally hang out with your clients as legal counsel, right,

688
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: that's your job.

689
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, some attorneys will not socialize with their clientele

690
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: in that way, So that's.

691
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 4: What I mean.

692
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: But like in a business meeting sense.

693
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you will have those all the time, right,

694
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: even if it's nowadays, if it's just remote, you're gonna

695
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: have these meetings all the time. But you know, when

696
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: you're in those circles, those I keep calling them superpowered circles,

697
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: like those kind where you exist on that elevation, I imagine

698
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: that those social interactions are probably higher.

699
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're ware like you're you're hanging out and you know,

700
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 3: you're you're grilling tigers, you're wearing your snow leopard assless

701
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: chaps or whatever, and then you're drinking the adrenochrome and

702
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: you're like, have we lost touch of come in?

703
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 4: Man?

704
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: Well, we talked about how most of that stuff's not real,

705
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: but the stuff that is real is the folks hanging

706
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: out at the country club right grabbing, you know, a

707
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: couple of holes in the golf course, or hanging out

708
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 2: at a restaurant that most people can't get into.

709
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bohemian Grove is real. But I want to go

710
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: back to this too. Man, are you telling me that

711
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 3: you don't think at least a few millionaires have eaten Tiger?

712
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: Ah?

713
00:43:54,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, statistically, yeah, at least a few.

714
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: Come on, man, they might not have a regular day

715
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: of it, but they did it.

716
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: I just feel bad for the personal chefs or whoever's

717
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 2: having to prepare it. That's awful.

718
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel bad for the tiger, but yeah, the

719
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 3: chefs as well. I mean, look, there's also we talked

720
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: about this too. There's Leslie Wexner, the tycoon of Victoria's Secret.

721
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: He has a long running association with Epstein that paved

722
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: the way for the launch of his financial empire, and

723
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: their real estate dealings get very shisty very quickly. And

724
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: then there are other honorable mentions. Matt, before we go

725
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: to an ad break, is it cool if we just

726
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: laundry list off a few more people who have been

727
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 3: mentioning these court documents.

728
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: Sure, there's Leo. Leo was in there. Leonardo DiCaprio, M.

729
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Richard Branson, which is weird because he

730
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: has an airline.

731
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: Al Gore, I did not expect Naomi Campbell to be

732
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: on there.

733
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: Surprise for me as well. Honestly, I guess Bill Gates

734
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: should have not been a surprise because he's so wealthy.

735
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 4: I don't know.

736
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: And then, like other sleeper I hesitate to call him

737
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: sleeper hits, but like Kate Blanchett, Heidi Kloom Gloom Club,

738
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 3: I'm not plugged in Klum.

739
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: It's glum clue.

740
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

741
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: And then Chris Tucker, which really bums me out.

742
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah I loved Friday.

743
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, just really, that's upsetting Chris, if you're

744
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: really on there and that's what happened.

745
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: Former Prime Minister of Israel, Hud Barak, Kevin Spacey, Stephen Hawking,

746
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: the like, the list goes on. We're gonna pause for

747
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: a word from our sponsor and we'll we'll dive into

748
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: more of these allegations.

749
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: Okay, we're back. Let's jump to the new stuff coming

750
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 2: to us from why this It's upsetting on a number

751
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: of levels for me to talk about this. First, let's

752
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: talk about targeted advertising and what can happen when your

753
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: phone is being served targeted ads and or is being

754
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: prepared to be served targeted ads. This is from a

755
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: Wired article titled Jeffrey Epstein's Island Visitors Exposed by Data Broker,

756
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: published on March twenty eighth, twenty twenty four. You can

757
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: find it right now, and let's just here's a quote

758
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: from it. It's about how this works. Before a targeted

759
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: advertisement appears on an APPAA website, phones and other devices

760
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: send information about their owners to real time bidding platforms

761
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 2: and add exchanges, frequently including users' location data and other

762
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: personal information about them, sometimes low level personal information. It

763
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: depends often on basically what you've allowed your carrier to

764
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: track and send. While advertisers can use this data to

765
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: inform their bidding decisions. Again, for those targeted advertisements, companies

766
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: like the one we're going to talk about right now,

767
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: Near Intelligence that's the name, which is a funny name,

768
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: isn't it. Near Intelligence. It will siphon, repackage, analyze, and

769
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: sell all of that data, including your location data. So

770
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: this outfit Near Intelligence got a hold of location tracking data.

771
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 2: That's associated with these targeted advertisements or the data for them.

772
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: And they collected almost two hundred mobile devices of people

773
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: who definitely confirmed visited that island of Jeffrey Epstein's Island,

774
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: and then they tracked them forwards and backwards in time

775
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: from their time on that island as well as their

776
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: movements on the island health and it is crazy the

777
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: precision that this data has to it of where these

778
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: people went. There are coordinates that pinpoint within a a

779
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: several centimeters of space, if that makes sense. So what

780
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: they ended up being able to do is compile all

781
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: of this stuff together from as early as July twenty

782
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: sixteen to the final date of Jeffrey Epstein's arrest on

783
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: July sixth, twenty nineteen. So that's that's about what three

784
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: years there of tracking data, and they tracked it to

785
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: individual homes, to mansions to here we go. Let's see

786
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: to one hundred and sixty six locations throughout the United

787
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: States before and after they visited Little Saint James Island.

788
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: There are eleven two hundred and seventy nine coordinates that

789
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: were then you know, they were tract and then were

790
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: obtained by wired and written about it. Also points to Ukraine,

791
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: the Cayman Islands, Australia, and again, as we mentioned previously,

792
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 2: Europe was not shown in any of that tracking data

793
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: because of their privacy laws. This is just very crazy.

794
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh eighty cities, eighty cities in Florida, Massachusetts, Texas, Michigan,

795
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: and New York at the very top.

796
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, in terms of like frequency of travel.

797
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

798
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can also you can also cross reference

799
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: some of that with like flight plans. But this is

800
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: a higher fidelity of accuracy, I would say, if that's

801
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: not too redundant, and we know there are more questions

802
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: out there. It's so creepy that this news had somewhat

803
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: faded into the background a lot of times, right to

804
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: the point where it's kind of like Edward Snowed or

805
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: Julian Assange. You have to go look for these stories

806
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: until a big court case pops up. You know, it

807
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: might surprise a lot of us listening tonight that there

808
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: has been very little in the way of additional prosecution

809
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: against or investigation into individuals other than Galley Maxwell and

810
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein. There has been a lot of chatter, a

811
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: lot of real time conspiracy folklore, formation, tons of rumors.

812
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 3: You know, there's another thing that stuck out to me

813
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: in that December twenty twenty three court order revealing the

814
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: names of these various jay does the judge Presca said

815
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: the following quote. The people whose names are to be disclosed,

816
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 3: including sexual abuse victims, litigation witnesses, Epstein's employees, and even

817
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: some people with only a passing connection to the scandal,

818
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: have until January first to appeal the order. This essentially

819
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 3: gave anyone in the documents two weeks fourteen days to

820
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: appeal a decision to name them publicly. So we still

821
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: have to wonder, you know, where the people had their

822
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: legal team on the ball and just said, hey, keep

823
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 3: me out of it. I mean, some people clearly took

824
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: something like a nothing to hide kind of stance, like

825
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: the Clintons are on record, you know, not attempting to

826
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: erase their names and also providing a public statement. I

827
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: just I don't know, man, the back and forth. Sometimes

828
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: the Internet gets so abstract that it feels as though

829
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 3: people are forgetting these crimes are real things and they

830
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: happen to real people who survived and carry that trauma.

831
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 3: You know, I wish we could say there was justice,

832
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 3: and I guess there is justice of the sort. Glame

833
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 3: Maxwell is locked up. We know Epstein did not act alone.

834
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: And if there was a larger child abuse network at

835
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: play that was you know, very active and organized, then

836
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 3: what happened to the rest of them? Why why aren't

837
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: they in court?

838
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: I think this is why I'm bringing up that data

839
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: from the location tracking, because it's it. We actually have

840
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: the information now. The specific to a centimeter tracking shows

841
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: exactly where people live and generally who they are, probably

842
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: at all likelihood, because there are several maps that were

843
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: generated that include common evening locations for each device, in

844
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 2: common daytime locations for each device like pinpointed. The problem

845
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: is Wired is like they've reproduced several images of the maps,

846
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: but they're super generalized because if you actually looked at

847
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: the tracking data for an individual device, you could say, oh,

848
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, uh, this is speculating, but that is

849
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton's like phone, that's that's his place of residence,

850
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: and that's you know, here is where he was on

851
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: this date and all this other stuff or whatever for

852
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: an appearance, and you could I think a law enforcement

853
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: would have to come through and take that data and

854
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: have to have a reason to use that data to

855
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: try and you know, basically bring someone else in on charges.

856
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: Otherwise it's still kind of accusations. And it doesn't matter

857
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 2: if you've got evidence of this specific evidence of someone

858
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: traveling to an island, because that just travel to that

859
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: island doesn't prove anything. Right, So we've actually got a

860
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: we have the data, it's just we maybe can't use it,

861
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: or an organization like Wired and other media outlets are

862
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 2: not going to use it because it could potentially be

863
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: a legal firestorm of biblical proportions.

864
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: And then there are other possible intervening variables, and I

865
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: think that point was well said Matt. There are other

866
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: possible variables, such as the idea that there is evidence

867
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: that appears to have vanished, right, multiple survivors, multiple eyewitnesses

868
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: are saying there were collections of photographs of CSAM or

869
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 3: child sexual abuse material, possibly video, we don't know where

870
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: it is. And then maybe the most tenuous thing, but

871
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: still a very real thing, is the possible intelligence connection.

872
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 3: Because Robert Maxwell Glaine's father had his fingers in a

873
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 3: lot of things, and he has been alleged over time

874
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 3: to have connections with multiple intel ops, most notably Masad,

875
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: and this naturally prompted the question, founded or unfounded, as

876
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Speaker 3: to whether Epstein was perpetrating this unclean conspiracy in service

877
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Speaker 3: to some other power, just because he was himself a

878
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: diseased individual, but because he was being actively instructed to

879
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Speaker 3: get dirt on people.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, okay, let's go back to ninety six. The

881
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Speaker 2: first time that the FBI hears about this guy, or

882
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Speaker 2: at least what we think is probably the first time

883
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 2: the FBI is really made aware of Jeffrey Epstein and

884
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Speaker 2: the possible activities that he's partaking in. Do you think

885
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: that is a even though nothing happened, right, there was

886
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: no investigation, nothing happened because of those allegations. Do you

887
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: think there's a possibility that someone within the FBI was

888
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: alerted because of his status in society in Manhattan and

889
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: was potentially reached out to or maybe I don't want

890
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 2: to say the FBI would threaten anybody, but you might,

891
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 2: you know, strike up a conversation with somebody at a

892
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: very high class bar and just say, hey, Jeff heard

893
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 2: you get into X or whatever, and then just lightly

894
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: threats and tim and got him to start working for

895
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: them because It could happened way back in the nineties.

896
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: I think maybe not. I don't know.

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00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: It could have happened before the nineties. It would have

898
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: happened during Bear Stearns. It could have happened to a

899
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 3: Dulton school saying hey, we'll set you up with something.

900
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing could have is not the

901
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: same as did but you're absolutely right, there is. If

902
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 3: something like this happens, the order of operations could be

903
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: in any specific sequence. Right Yeah, Catching someone and leveraging

904
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 3: them is something law enforcement does.

905
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 4: But would they do that to this degree?

906
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, who knows? We just again we The

907
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: one thing we do know is that a previous head

908
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 2: of the FBI sure did like to get dirt on

909
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: people and store it in his office and make sure

910
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: he could pull those triggers if he needed to. Old

911
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: Hoover himself. I mean, it's just a real thing, and

912
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: it I don't think he was the last head of

913
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: an intelligence agency and or a very powerful organization like

914
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: that would be interested in having someone like Epstein functioning

915
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: to bring in these powerful people, get dirt on them,

916
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 2: and then have some kind of either real or perceived

917
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: control over them.

918
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: Right Yeah, absolutely, and neither. If that happened, this would

919
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: not be the first, would also not be the last.

920
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: This stuff continues, and we can't wait to hear your thoughts, folks.

921
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: One thing that we always want to end on we're

922
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 3: talking about this sort of stuff. To be very clear,

923
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: when we're bringing up these questions, exploring these crimes and

924
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 3: the possible connections, we are in no way downplaye dismissing,

925
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: nor ignoring the very real trauma suffered by victims. If

926
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 3: you take nothing else with you from this, listen closely. Please,

927
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 3: if you are someone you know as a victim of trafficking,

928
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: do not hesitate to reach out to the authorities. If

929
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: you are in a situation where you think local authorities

930
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: may be corrupt. Remember in the US and abroad, there

931
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: are national level resources to assist you. Here in the US,

932
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: you can contact National Human Trafficking Hotline. You can leave

933
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: an anonymous tip at their website, human Trafficking Online dot org.

934
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 3: You can also contact them at the following number one

935
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Speaker 3: eight eight three seven three seven eight eight eight. Again

936
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: that's one eight eight three seven three seven eight eight eight.

937
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 3: Be safe, folks, and we're going to unfortunately have to

938
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: continue following this and updating it, and Matt, I'm right

939
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 3: there with you. I hope that the data broker information

940
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 3: leads to more answers, because the deeper we dig it

941
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: just seems we're finding more questions.

942
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, in that company Near Intelligence, the one

943
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: that collected all that location data, or at least bought

944
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: it and used it and then released it, they are

945
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: under crazy scrutiny, crippled by debt. There's all kinds of

946
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: stuff going on. Even US senators like Ron Wyden are

947
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: trying to launch investigations into that company right now for

948
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: what is it fencing sensitive location data and all this

949
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: other I mean, which again is a whole other subject, right,

950
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: that's a whole episode, probably just talking about how data

951
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: brokers use location data for targeted advertising. We've talked about

952
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 2: targeted advertising before as a whole, but that is a problem,

953
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: that is a real problem when it comes to privacy,

954
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: which is what is the thing you always say about privacy, Ben.

955
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, privacy as a modern concept is kind of a fad.

956
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 3: It's very much an endangered species. Your privacy is eroding

957
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: bit by bit as you listen to this episode. We're

958
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: not going to be part of the grift obviously, but

959
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 3: we do want and need your help.

960
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, we do. You can reach out to

961
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: us a bunch of ways. One thing I would recommend

962
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: before before you take off, read the Vanity Fair article

963
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: that was written in two thousand and three by Vicky Ward.

964
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: It's talent. It's titled The Talented Mister Epstein, and it

965
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: really goes into his life and his connections with these billionaires, multimillionaires,

966
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 2: flying them around on his seven to twenty seven and

967
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: all of his socialite life stuff before he was known

968
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: to have done anything, at least publicly. And if you

969
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: watch there's an episode of sixty Minutes Australia by Tara

970
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 2: Brown and it goes into depth with Vicky Ward, the

971
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: person who wrote that article for Vanity Fair, about how

972
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 2: she was in contact with people who were making allegations

973
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and three. But Epstein showed up

974
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: at the editor's office of Vanity Fair and basically shut

975
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: down all those allegations but still allowed this big pr

976
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: piece to go through for him.

977
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 3: And if you'd like to read the court papers, we're

978
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 3: mentioning fans of primary sources, if you'd like to read

979
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 3: those documents in full. You can find them very easily

980
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 3: over at the Guardian the headline Unsealed Jeffrey Epstein court papers,

981
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: Read document in full. Heads up, folks, it is legally

982
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: ease if you would like to hear more sources, because

983
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: God knows, we have a ton too many to list

984
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 3: in the show today, do check out our past episodes again,

985
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 3: we have a lot of them on this as the

986
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Speaker 3: investigations continued. You can also contact us directly for more

987
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,480
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989
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990
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