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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody, This is

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Speaker 1: Peter Schreger. He goes into the season with Peter Schrager.

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Speaker 1: We're doing this on a Tuesday morning. Very unique weekend

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Speaker 1: where you had two wildcard rounds on Saturday, two Wildcard

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Speaker 1: round games on Sunday, and then two Wildcard rounds on Monday.

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Speaker 1: We're fresh on the air right now on Tuesday morning,

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Speaker 1: and the Eagles season ended in complete this array. This

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Speaker 1: was a team that was ten and one at one point,

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Speaker 1: and they fired their defensive coordinator. Well, let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: they removed him from play calling duties, which in so

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Speaker 1: many words means get out of the chair and you're

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Speaker 1: being removed and replaced. That's a team that all season long,

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Speaker 1: we had talked about Super Bowl expects, the weight of

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Speaker 1: those expectations, the local media, all of these things that

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Speaker 1: were hanging in the in the atmosphere, and yet they

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Speaker 1: were winning early on and they were resilient early on.

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Speaker 1: I could tell you on this podcast the amount of

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Speaker 1: joy that people take fans, some people in the league

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Speaker 1: of seeing things end this way for that Philly team

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Speaker 1: is almost unseemly and they're they're not villains individually. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anyone looks at Jalen Hurts and look at

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Speaker 1: him as a villain, or anyone looks at the recently

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Speaker 1: looks at Nick Sirianni is like, I don't like him.

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Speaker 1: But there's a certain bravado about that Eagles team. And

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Speaker 1: maybe it does start with Sirianni when he's mean mugging

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Speaker 1: the cameras during the Giants wild card gay or yeah,

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Speaker 1: Divisional round game last year, or after the Kansas City

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Speaker 1: win when he's in the tunnel and he's got some

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Speaker 1: comments for fans and it was captured on film. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's because of Big Dom and you see this big guy,

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Speaker 1: going wild on the sideline. Maybe it's because of the

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Speaker 1: way everyone responded to their draft, where you know, they

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Speaker 1: everyone just said, well, the Eagles dominated the draft A

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Speaker 1: then you have a day earlier the Cowboys lows switch.

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Speaker 1: If you talk about how is it shouting Freud? Shoten Freud,

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Speaker 1: of Freud? How about the Cowboys losing? They were down

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Speaker 1: twenty seven to nothing against the Packers on Sunday and

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Speaker 1: you would think it was a party online fans and

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Speaker 1: and then there's questions of everything there that one goes from, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: around let alone the wildcreft? They win twelve games every year,

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Speaker 1: but they can't win playoff games? Like is this the

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Speaker 1: guy to coach the team? And then we had a

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Speaker 1: really good conversation on Good Morning Football. I think it

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Speaker 1: was pretty rational and sensible. Do you pay Dak Prescott

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks get paid before the final year. You don't want

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Speaker 1: And this case, it wasn't just on Dak. This was

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Speaker 1: throwing some terrible interceptions in this game that really hurt them.

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Speaker 1: and we're not even to the divisional round. These are

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Speaker 1: They have big decisions to make. Do you bring back

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Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, Aaron, all those picks that we praised,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But Aaron, I do want to talk about the

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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions real quick. I feel like we were riding

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Speaker 1: And then over the offseason, we had Brad Holmes on

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Speaker 1: Disner real quick if you want a resume. He's not

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Speaker 2: But Aaron I did when even when Gibbs started the

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Speaker 2: season slow, you were still on it. You were saying,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more like, okay, the Patriots are in their

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Speaker 1: right to say, well, we put this on this guy's contract.

425
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Speaker 1: He's a person of color. We satisfied the rudy roll,

426
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Speaker 1: and like we have to get started, like we know

427
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Speaker 1: our guy. Why would we waste anyone's time. From the

428
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Speaker 1: big picture, my only thing was like, all right, so

429
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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel said, he got, you know, the opportunity to

430
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Speaker 1: interview for jobs, or he wanted to interview for jobs,

431
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Speaker 1: like and just a chance to get in that room,

432
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Speaker 1: and it helped him immensely. It would have been cool

433
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Speaker 1: to maybe have some guys who haven't had the chance

434
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Speaker 1: to interview for jobs meet with a team and go

435
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Speaker 1: through the process. But again, this is really deep in

436
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Speaker 1: the weeds stuff right there. As for this podcast, I

437
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Speaker 1: thought there would be no person better to preview Packers

438
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Speaker 1: forty nine ers than a guy who is the younger

439
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Speaker 1: sibling of one of the head coaches and a disciple

440
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Speaker 1: of the others. You can't make this up. Mike Lafleur,

441
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Speaker 1: who by the way, is the current offensive coordinator of

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams and the guy who helped unleash

443
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Speaker 1: Puka Nakua and Kieran Williams and what the Rams did

444
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Speaker 1: down the stretch. Is the younger brother of Matt Lafleur,

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Speaker 1: the head coach of the Green Bay Packers. He is

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Speaker 1: also a longtime coach under Kyle Shanahan when he was

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Well, who's playing this weekend? Packers forty

448
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Speaker 1: nine Ers? I love Mike. I think Mike is a

449
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Speaker 1: great young coach in his own right. He went from

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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers, came with the Robert Solid of

451
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Speaker 1: the Jets, was the Jets offensive coordinator for a couple

452
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Speaker 1: of years, gets let go there, and quickly goes to

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, where not only does he put a stamp

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Speaker 1: on what Mike Laflora offense could look like, I think

455
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Speaker 1: he shut some people up in the New York area

456
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Speaker 1: when they saw what was going on with that Rams

457
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Speaker 1: offense this year. Mike's a great dude, and I'm about

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Speaker 1: to bring him on.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: If you listen to this podcast, you listened to us.

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Speaker 1: We have the best guests who are coaches, GM's decision

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Speaker 1: makers and also some of the most relevant ones. I

463
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Speaker 1: could not have imagined a more appropriate guess for this week,

464
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Speaker 1: either a because of the performance his offense put on

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Speaker 1: this year in Los Angeles, or be his connection to

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Speaker 1: the two head coaches of one of the divisional round games.

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Speaker 1: With no further ado, it's the offensive coordinator of the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams, mister, Mike Lafleur. Mike, what's up?

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Speaker 4: Man? What's up?

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Speaker 2: Peter?

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you having me, man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Look, I remember being on the sidelines

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Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl and it was Chiefs versus forty

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Speaker 1: nine Ers, and there's a little rope there and your brother,

475
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Speaker 1: Matt had either just been hired by Green Bay or

476
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Speaker 1: maybe a week earlier, had gotten the job, and he's

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Speaker 1: sitting behind a rope and he's like, hey, Shreg Shrigg's

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Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there with the credential because I'm one

479
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Speaker 1: of these obnoxious media guys that just walks around like

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Speaker 1: I belong on the field. And he's like, what's up, dude,

481
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Speaker 1: And like you came over to the sideline and there

482
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Speaker 1: was this awesome hug before the game because you were

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Speaker 1: an assistant with the forty nine ers coaching in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And there's Matt Lafleur, the recently hired coach

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Speaker 1: of the Packers. And now it comes full circle where

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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers are back in a big game

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Speaker 1: divisional round and your brother is still the head coach

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Speaker 1: of the Green Bay Packers. Where are you going to

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Speaker 1: be for this game? And when you see Laflor versus

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers and you have nothing to do with it,

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Speaker 1: what's your reaction?

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Speaker 4: It's wild? You know. It seems like the Packers and

493
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Speaker 4: Niners have played a lot of games over the last

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Speaker 4: five years, right, and it was a part of a

495
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Speaker 4: lot of those and obviously not anymore. So trying to

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Speaker 4: figure it all out. We are going to shoot up there,

497
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Speaker 4: my wife and I I know my parents are gonna

498
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Speaker 4: they're actually they're going to fly over there breeding the

499
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Speaker 4: boys are going to fly down here for a night

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Speaker 4: for whatever reason, okay, and we'll end up shooting. We'll

501
00:25:46,386 --> 00:25:48,866
Speaker 4: end up shooting up there on Friday. So trying to

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Speaker 4: figure all that out. I mean, all this happened so quickly.

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Speaker 4: We you know, didn't plan on not being a part

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Speaker 4: of you know, this upcoming weekends game. So we'll figure

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Speaker 4: it all out. But we'll be up there to sporting

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk that game in a second, But

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Speaker 1: can we can you humor me a little bit on

509
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Speaker 1: just some rams talk as we put a bow on

510
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Speaker 1: what was it? Amazing unexpected season that maybe you might say, well,

511
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Speaker 1: unexpected to you, but very expected to us. You get

512
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Speaker 1: the job after things end in New York, you get

513
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Speaker 1: the job in Los Angeles. Mcveigh's texting me like, I

514
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Speaker 1: really like this Michael Floor. Obviously he knows your brother

515
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Speaker 1: real well and he knows you, and he's like, I

516
00:26:24,546 --> 00:26:26,146
Speaker 1: really think things are going to be special. And I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of rolling my eyes, like, no, I like Mike two,

518
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Speaker 1: but with what with what weapons? And then we have

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Speaker 1: this offensive explosion and I'm gonna mention two guys and

520
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Speaker 1: I want you to hit on both of them. When

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Speaker 1: did you know Puka Nakula was going to have the

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Speaker 1: greatest rookie season from a wide receiver that we've seen

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Speaker 1: in years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to sit here and say that when

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Speaker 4: we drafted him, and then even as well as he

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Speaker 4: was doing an ots in training camp to have the

527
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Speaker 4: statistical year he had, maybe lying to you, but you

528
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Speaker 4: did know early on that one this kid is extremely mature.

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Speaker 4: Two he's extremely tough. That's that was evident from all

530
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Speaker 4: his film obviously at Uyu and he just he fit

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Speaker 4: into this culture right away. He's a maze and what

532
00:27:08,466 --> 00:27:10,946
Speaker 4: a cool resource he had in Cooper Cup to kind

533
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Speaker 4: of lean on to get him up the speed. Obviously,

534
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Speaker 4: when you have Matthew Staffords your quarterback, you know, you

535
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Speaker 4: want to be in the right spot at the right time.

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Speaker 4: And he understood that and that's part of his maturity.

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Speaker 4: So he he stood out right away. OTAs stood out

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Speaker 4: when he put the pads on, probably even more so

539
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Speaker 4: once we got the training camp, and you know, it

540
00:27:29,106 --> 00:27:31,186
Speaker 4: happened right away. He had a great game against Seattle.

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Speaker 4: He ended up having twenty targets in Week two versus

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Speaker 4: the Niners, which was crazy cut catching fifteen of them,

543
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Speaker 4: you know, and he just kind of and it never stopped.

544
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Speaker 4: And you know, he's he's a dude you root for too,

545
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Speaker 4: because he's just such a likable guy and when he

546
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Speaker 4: puts those pads on, he plays the game the right way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk about that rookie wall all the time,

548
00:27:50,186 --> 00:27:53,466
Speaker 1: like it felt like it never came for Nikua and

549
00:27:53,626 --> 00:27:55,466
Speaker 1: he saved his best for last. He had the most

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Speaker 1: yards for a rookie receiver in a playoff game in

551
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Speaker 1: the history of the sport on Sunday night, and he

552
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Speaker 1: did it on ten targets, nine catches, And it's like

553
00:28:04,786 --> 00:28:06,986
Speaker 1: everyone who's watching at home was watching them all like, yeah,

554
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Speaker 1: that that's kind of what we expect from him. Was

555
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Speaker 1: the game plan going in, Let's feed Pooka and let's

556
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Speaker 1: get him the rock.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, it's our job to

558
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Speaker 4: make sure that the best players are touching the ball.

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Speaker 4: But but what's what's when our offense is running at

560
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Speaker 4: its best, It's not about trying to force anyone the ball.

561
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Speaker 4: You had you at the coverage, dictate where that ball goes.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Matthew does as good as anyone of

563
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Speaker 4: spreading that ball around, reading the plays out, true, you know,

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why you saw a lot of

565
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Speaker 4: our guys, you know, particularly that back half of the

566
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Speaker 4: season with the Marcus and Higbee making his plays like

567
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Speaker 4: he always has here obviously, Kyen, both in the run

568
00:28:41,026 --> 00:28:43,066
Speaker 4: and the past game. Cooper is always going to be Cooper,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 5: So to to to two had a big, big play,

571
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Speaker 5: and TO two was making plays earlier in the year

572
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Speaker 5: and and you know continue to so that's when our

573
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Speaker 5: offense is doing the best.

574
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Speaker 4: But again, the best players are going to find a

575
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Speaker 4: way to touch the ball, and he did.

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Speaker 1: And yet you know, in the moments, it's like if

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Speaker 1: you had told me in August that Ronnie Rivers was

578
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Speaker 1: going to be getting key play in this huge play.

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Speaker 1: All these guys stepped up. I really was impressed with

580
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Speaker 1: the way the offense played.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's it's just a credit to those guys.

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Speaker 4: And again, it all, it all starts with number nine.

583
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Speaker 4: He is I heard a lot of good things about

584
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Speaker 4: him when I came in, and it was almost undersold

585
00:29:22,106 --> 00:29:25,626
Speaker 4: from people in Detroit obviously, how Sean felt about him.

586
00:29:26,066 --> 00:29:29,306
Speaker 4: Incredible player, incredible quarterback. He's not going anywhere. I won't

587
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Speaker 4: let him go anywhere for I mean, he's got too

588
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Speaker 4: much good years ahead of him. But he's even a

589
00:29:34,746 --> 00:29:37,706
Speaker 4: better person to work with. He is just phenomenal and

590
00:29:37,786 --> 00:29:41,106
Speaker 4: he's receptive. And you know, you wake up and join

591
00:29:41,226 --> 00:29:43,186
Speaker 4: going to work every day because the a the building

592
00:29:43,226 --> 00:29:45,746
Speaker 4: is incredible. But be at that quarterback is just a

593
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Speaker 4: He's a joy to work with.

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Speaker 1: Talk about his toughness for a second, Are you serious

595
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Speaker 1: We're talking about an NFL in twenty twenty three, where

596
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Speaker 1: you know, some people say that the rules have changed

597
00:29:55,826 --> 00:29:58,346
Speaker 1: and that there's you know, the guys aren't as tough

598
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Speaker 1: as they were. Harry Stafford on Sunday Night Football, getting

599
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Speaker 1: stepped on, getting knocked getting you know, his hand is

600
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Speaker 1: completely severed. There's just out there slinging just right back

601
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Speaker 1: up and keeps going. I thought, I thought you a loss.

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Speaker 1: It was the most heroic performance that we've seen in

603
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Speaker 1: recent Memoryes. He was awesome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's that's what he is. I mean, he's you know,

605
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Speaker 4: he's going to get knocked down. He's he's not uh,

606
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Speaker 4: he's not Lamar out there running away from you know,

607
00:30:23,826 --> 00:30:25,826
Speaker 4: the big guys chasing him in there. But he's going

608
00:30:25,906 --> 00:30:27,986
Speaker 4: to stand in there with the best of them, and

609
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Speaker 4: he's going to keep getting up, you know. And and

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Speaker 4: that's just evident. That's not just this year. Uh, he's

611
00:30:32,906 --> 00:30:34,946
Speaker 4: not just all of a sudden just gotten tough. That

612
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Speaker 4: that dates back to his rookie year, right, And I

613
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Speaker 4: believe it was his rookie year against the man. And

614
00:30:43,826 --> 00:30:46,066
Speaker 4: so it's just it's not fake, right, And it never

615
00:30:46,106 --> 00:30:50,346
Speaker 4: gets old watching that. And yeah, it's it's a prerequisite

616
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Speaker 4: to uh to be tough and be a you know,

617
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Speaker 4: a quarterback in this league. It's that's just part of it.

618
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Speaker 4: But he just takes that to another level, a level

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Speaker 4: that it's in my opinion, unmatched.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he had the running back hire and

621
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hit on him because we've hit the

622
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Speaker 1: other names. And obviously the offensive line all stepped up

623
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Speaker 1: this year, but Kyed Williams, I think the stat was

624
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Speaker 1: he had the third most rushing yards, like in the

625
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Speaker 1: history of the sport for a guy who's missed five games.

626
00:31:15,066 --> 00:31:17,346
Speaker 1: There was some wild stat about just how good he

627
00:31:17,466 --> 00:31:20,666
Speaker 1: was this season historically and before the year. I don't

628
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Speaker 1: know if anyone drafted him in their fantasy football.

629
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Speaker 4: League right now, He's just another guy that again, he

630
00:31:28,546 --> 00:31:30,306
Speaker 4: got cut short a little a year ago, right he

631
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Speaker 4: was battling some injuries and stuff like that. He is

632
00:31:32,626 --> 00:31:35,386
Speaker 4: a guy that I know less. And Sean pinpointed that, hey,

633
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Speaker 4: this is a ram you know when they took him

634
00:31:37,546 --> 00:31:39,906
Speaker 4: in the draft in terms of his toughness, in terms

635
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Speaker 4: of his maturity. So he kind of fits in that

636
00:31:41,746 --> 00:31:44,546
Speaker 4: same bold I was saying of Puka, where he just

637
00:31:44,586 --> 00:31:47,066
Speaker 4: comes to work and he's ready to work every single day,

638
00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:49,986
Speaker 4: and so what he does on Sunday really isn't that

639
00:31:50,026 --> 00:31:52,346
Speaker 4: big dust because that's what he does Wednesday through Friday

640
00:31:52,386 --> 00:31:54,346
Speaker 4: when he's out on that practice field. He's just showing

641
00:31:54,426 --> 00:31:57,066
Speaker 4: up every single day. He's such an enjoyable guy to

642
00:31:57,106 --> 00:31:59,946
Speaker 4: be around. He's a guy that, again kind of like Matthew,

643
00:31:59,986 --> 00:32:02,386
Speaker 4: you want to do your best for him as a coach,

644
00:32:02,466 --> 00:32:05,546
Speaker 4: you know, And you know, he had a magical run

645
00:32:05,586 --> 00:32:08,186
Speaker 4: this year, and I think that's his standard. I think

646
00:32:08,186 --> 00:32:11,226
Speaker 4: that's I know, that's how he's gonna approach it, you know,

647
00:32:11,266 --> 00:32:12,466
Speaker 4: moving forward, I.

648
00:32:12,386 --> 00:32:14,746
Speaker 1: Think the Rams aren't a very good place. I've you know,

649
00:32:14,826 --> 00:32:16,746
Speaker 1: I had Kevin Demo off the team president on last

650
00:32:16,786 --> 00:32:18,826
Speaker 1: week because he was talking about the Jared Goff trade

651
00:32:18,826 --> 00:32:21,106
Speaker 1: and the Stafford trade and going through it all, and

652
00:32:21,146 --> 00:32:23,226
Speaker 1: he went through some of those defensive names and then

653
00:32:23,266 --> 00:32:26,026
Speaker 1: the offensive players, and I just love the way the

654
00:32:26,066 --> 00:32:28,306
Speaker 1: story went this year. You guys, you know, kind of

655
00:32:28,306 --> 00:32:30,026
Speaker 1: written off by a run before this season, and by

656
00:32:30,066 --> 00:32:31,186
Speaker 1: the end of the year, I think you guys were

657
00:32:31,226 --> 00:32:33,146
Speaker 1: one of the top five to six teams in the league.

658
00:32:33,226 --> 00:32:34,786
Speaker 1: And if things go a different way, if you make

659
00:32:34,826 --> 00:32:36,946
Speaker 1: one more play, if you get one call, that goes differently,

660
00:32:37,226 --> 00:32:39,226
Speaker 1: probably still playing today and the team that nobody wants

661
00:32:39,226 --> 00:32:40,986
Speaker 1: to face. I would just say congratulations to you as

662
00:32:40,986 --> 00:32:43,626
Speaker 1: a first year coordinator with this team taking that offense

663
00:32:43,666 --> 00:32:45,226
Speaker 1: to new heights. It's really awesome, dude.

664
00:32:45,706 --> 00:32:50,026
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate it. Didn't didn't plan on being you know,

665
00:32:50,346 --> 00:32:52,466
Speaker 4: in my house right here on a Tuesday. Was hoping

666
00:32:52,506 --> 00:32:55,106
Speaker 4: to keep this thing going. Like you just said, I mean,

667
00:32:55,106 --> 00:32:57,746
Speaker 4: it's credit to Detroit. That was what a great game

668
00:32:57,746 --> 00:33:01,506
Speaker 4: that was, and it was it was, and it was

669
00:33:01,546 --> 00:33:03,906
Speaker 4: an incredible atmosphere. Had a lot of you know, all

670
00:33:03,946 --> 00:33:06,106
Speaker 4: my family basically still lives in Michigan, so we had

671
00:33:06,106 --> 00:33:07,866
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of Rams fans there that

672
00:33:08,706 --> 00:33:10,586
Speaker 4: you know, just had to make the drive over from

673
00:33:10,586 --> 00:33:13,586
Speaker 4: Grand Rapids and Kilma Zoo. But you know, hey, when

674
00:33:13,586 --> 00:33:15,986
Speaker 4: you when you don't score touchdowns in the red zone,

675
00:33:16,426 --> 00:33:17,786
Speaker 4: that kind of was the story. We were oll for

676
00:33:17,786 --> 00:33:19,626
Speaker 4: three in the red zone. We were we were fourth

677
00:33:19,666 --> 00:33:21,986
Speaker 4: in the league going into you know, the playoffs, But

678
00:33:22,066 --> 00:33:23,506
Speaker 4: none of that stuff matters if you don't get it

679
00:33:23,506 --> 00:33:25,706
Speaker 4: done on that on that day. And I thought our

680
00:33:25,706 --> 00:33:28,266
Speaker 4: guys played great, They played tough, they they were in

681
00:33:28,306 --> 00:33:30,506
Speaker 4: the fight all day, and you know they made one

682
00:33:30,546 --> 00:33:31,306
Speaker 4: more play than we did.

683
00:33:31,506 --> 00:33:33,546
Speaker 1: You know me, I'm watching it and Stafford's thrown for

684
00:33:33,546 --> 00:33:36,786
Speaker 1: three sixty two and Nikua has got nine cat and

685
00:33:36,826 --> 00:33:38,946
Speaker 1: they had that red zone shot to Cup and I'm

686
00:33:38,946 --> 00:33:41,666
Speaker 1: like that that's nine out of ten times Stafford to Cup.

687
00:33:41,666 --> 00:33:43,946
Speaker 1: That's that's usually. And I know it's killing you. I'm

688
00:33:43,946 --> 00:33:46,306
Speaker 1: sure it's killing you, and I'm just watching on my couch,

689
00:33:46,346 --> 00:33:48,746
Speaker 1: but I'm like, that's how close this game was. It

690
00:33:48,786 --> 00:33:51,026
Speaker 1: was the razor's edge. And I don't want you to

691
00:33:51,066 --> 00:33:52,906
Speaker 1: spend all off season thinking about what could have been.

692
00:33:52,946 --> 00:33:54,706
Speaker 1: I want you to a releast appreciate how great you

693
00:33:54,746 --> 00:33:56,906
Speaker 1: guys had had it going on because you guys were

694
00:33:56,946 --> 00:33:57,386
Speaker 1: dialed in.

695
00:33:58,026 --> 00:34:00,426
Speaker 4: It's a it's a fresh wound right now, so we'll see,

696
00:34:00,866 --> 00:34:01,986
Speaker 4: you know, well, we'll see.

697
00:34:02,546 --> 00:34:06,386
Speaker 1: Limit to me to bring it up, so we all

698
00:34:06,626 --> 00:34:09,586
Speaker 1: talk about that twenty thirteen Washington staff, which included your

699
00:34:09,626 --> 00:34:13,546
Speaker 1: brother and McVeigh and McDaniel. But like, I look at

700
00:34:13,546 --> 00:34:17,626
Speaker 1: that twenty nineteen forty nine Ers staff and I'm like,

701
00:34:17,626 --> 00:34:20,066
Speaker 1: you want to talk about today's coaches and all those guys.

702
00:34:20,066 --> 00:34:21,946
Speaker 1: Can you go through some of the colleagues you had

703
00:34:21,946 --> 00:34:24,426
Speaker 1: on that twenty nineteen forty nine or Super Bowl team

704
00:34:24,466 --> 00:34:26,426
Speaker 1: that was just in the coaching staff alone, because you

705
00:34:26,426 --> 00:34:28,786
Speaker 1: look around the league, it's everyone doing huge things right now.

706
00:34:29,386 --> 00:34:32,786
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it was a really cool staff. Kyle, you know,

707
00:34:33,746 --> 00:34:36,386
Speaker 4: gets a ton of credit and credit deserve for being

708
00:34:36,546 --> 00:34:40,706
Speaker 4: just so good schematically right, getting guys open, getting his guys,

709
00:34:41,466 --> 00:34:44,746
Speaker 4: getting his best players of the ball with space. But

710
00:34:45,306 --> 00:34:47,226
Speaker 4: the thing that I think he does best is he

711
00:34:47,306 --> 00:34:51,426
Speaker 4: has an eye for coaching talent and just obviously player talent.

712
00:34:52,066 --> 00:34:54,826
Speaker 4: He's incredible at it. He knows what he wants from

713
00:34:54,906 --> 00:34:58,426
Speaker 4: both sides. And you know, we were the same staff

714
00:34:58,426 --> 00:35:01,786
Speaker 4: in nineteen basically outside of Caseric, who we brought into nineteen,

715
00:35:01,826 --> 00:35:04,186
Speaker 4: who was a huge, huge, you know, reason why that

716
00:35:04,266 --> 00:35:07,146
Speaker 4: D line does what it does. But eighteen we were

717
00:35:07,306 --> 00:35:10,706
Speaker 4: coaching the senior ball, you know, and uh and didn't

718
00:35:10,706 --> 00:35:12,266
Speaker 4: have the year that we wanted. It was still all

719
00:35:12,266 --> 00:35:15,706
Speaker 4: the same coaches, and credit to John Lynch and Kyle

720
00:35:15,786 --> 00:35:18,506
Speaker 4: for for you know, just being great leaders and keeping

721
00:35:18,586 --> 00:35:20,746
Speaker 4: us on the right path. Obviously, you know you had

722
00:35:20,786 --> 00:35:24,026
Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel, who's doing great things. I just said, Case Saric,

723
00:35:24,066 --> 00:35:26,986
Speaker 4: who's who's arguably the best in the business at at

724
00:35:27,066 --> 00:35:30,426
Speaker 4: d line, uh Salah, who is you know, an incredible

725
00:35:30,466 --> 00:35:34,786
Speaker 4: defensive coach uh and and great friend. You know, Bobby

726
00:35:34,826 --> 00:35:38,346
Speaker 4: Slowick was a was a QC on defense for the

727
00:35:38,346 --> 00:35:40,546
Speaker 4: first two years. Kyle said, I don't want to waste

728
00:35:40,586 --> 00:35:42,386
Speaker 4: him on defense. Let's bring him over at offense. He's

729
00:35:42,426 --> 00:35:43,986
Speaker 4: got too good of a brain to be wasted on

730
00:35:44,026 --> 00:35:47,146
Speaker 4: the defensive side. Uh So he stolen from Sala who

731
00:35:47,186 --> 00:35:50,186
Speaker 4: didn't love that, and brought him over. What about Demiko Ryans?

732
00:35:50,386 --> 00:35:56,106
Speaker 4: You know, he's just an incredible incredible again, you know,

733
00:35:56,626 --> 00:35:58,706
Speaker 4: he's an incredible coach, but he's even a better person

734
00:35:58,746 --> 00:36:02,546
Speaker 4: and leader. And not surprised, seriously, not surprised at all

735
00:36:02,626 --> 00:36:04,826
Speaker 4: what he's doing. It just was a matter of time.

736
00:36:04,866 --> 00:36:06,746
Speaker 4: And what a cool fit for him to go back

737
00:36:06,786 --> 00:36:09,906
Speaker 4: to Houston. I would say that's probably the fairy tale,

738
00:36:10,026 --> 00:36:13,786
Speaker 4: you know, for him to be back there. Just a

739
00:36:13,826 --> 00:36:17,226
Speaker 4: lot of really really good good coaches, but better better

740
00:36:17,306 --> 00:36:18,066
Speaker 4: humans for sure.

741
00:36:18,546 --> 00:36:21,066
Speaker 1: I love it all Right, So this week you're kind

742
00:36:21,066 --> 00:36:24,066
Speaker 1: of torn. You've got your brother, You've got your former

743
00:36:24,226 --> 00:36:27,306
Speaker 1: you know colleague. Obviously, I would imagine your heart lives

744
00:36:27,426 --> 00:36:29,626
Speaker 1: with with Blood and you're going with Green Bay on

745
00:36:29,706 --> 00:36:33,186
Speaker 1: this one, but their relationship, having watched it from a

746
00:36:33,266 --> 00:36:35,586
Speaker 1: from a close vantage point, I think it's so interesting.

747
00:36:35,586 --> 00:36:38,346
Speaker 1: Obviously they've had already huge battles in the playoffs in

748
00:36:38,386 --> 00:36:41,306
Speaker 1: regular season, and of course Kyle's got the best of

749
00:36:41,346 --> 00:36:44,746
Speaker 1: Matt sometimes Matt's gotten the best of Kyle sometimes. The

750
00:36:44,826 --> 00:36:48,186
Speaker 1: dynamic between Matt Lafleura and Kyle Shanahan from little brother

751
00:36:48,346 --> 00:36:51,186
Speaker 1: and ex colleague, what what's your vantage point on it?

752
00:36:53,906 --> 00:36:58,786
Speaker 4: Disrespect? You know, I think they have so much respect

753
00:36:58,786 --> 00:37:02,186
Speaker 4: for each other. They obviously, you know, worked you know

754
00:37:02,226 --> 00:37:05,226
Speaker 4: for quite a few years together, starting in Houston when

755
00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:08,706
Speaker 4: Kyle was a very very young offensive coordinator and obviously

756
00:37:08,746 --> 00:37:10,706
Speaker 4: really good already, and then then for him to bring

757
00:37:10,746 --> 00:37:13,666
Speaker 4: him to Washington. They had the one year where you know,

758
00:37:13,666 --> 00:37:15,626
Speaker 4: they all got let go in thirteen, as we all know,

759
00:37:15,706 --> 00:37:18,266
Speaker 4: and then fourteen they separated for a year. Kyle went

760
00:37:18,266 --> 00:37:21,106
Speaker 4: to Cleveland, that's where I met up with them, and

761
00:37:21,146 --> 00:37:23,266
Speaker 4: Matt went to Notre Dame and then able to have

762
00:37:23,306 --> 00:37:26,026
Speaker 4: the two years in Atlanta together and what a what

763
00:37:26,066 --> 00:37:28,466
Speaker 4: an incredible two years that was in fifteen and sixteen.

764
00:37:28,786 --> 00:37:31,146
Speaker 4: Obviously didn't finish that when the way we wanted, but

765
00:37:31,426 --> 00:37:37,186
Speaker 4: again Nonetheless, they're both both incredible coaches. They're both incredible people,

766
00:37:37,306 --> 00:37:41,066
Speaker 4: very different people, you know, So it's it's gonna be

767
00:37:41,106 --> 00:37:42,546
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a fun one up there. No one

768
00:37:42,546 --> 00:37:44,786
Speaker 4: expected Green Bay to be where they're at. Everyone expected

769
00:37:44,826 --> 00:37:47,106
Speaker 4: San Francisco to be where they're at for obvious reasons.

770
00:37:47,906 --> 00:37:49,826
Speaker 4: And you know, I think they're both playing their best

771
00:37:49,866 --> 00:37:52,466
Speaker 4: ball at the right time, and it's gonna be fun.

772
00:37:52,746 --> 00:37:55,706
Speaker 1: You've had a chance to watch from Afar Jordan Love's

773
00:37:55,706 --> 00:37:58,466
Speaker 1: maturation and development this year. Obviously, your brother's been living

774
00:37:58,506 --> 00:38:00,026
Speaker 1: with it for years, having them on the bench with

775
00:38:00,146 --> 00:38:02,426
Speaker 1: Rogers there and then finding a way to get some

776
00:38:02,506 --> 00:38:05,146
Speaker 1: time to devote to Love. I think right now, now

777
00:38:05,146 --> 00:38:07,746
Speaker 1: that Stafford's been eliminated, now that Dak's been out of here,

778
00:38:08,106 --> 00:38:10,186
Speaker 1: I could argue that no quarterback in the NFC is

779
00:38:10,226 --> 00:38:11,986
Speaker 1: playing better than Jordan Love right now. You've had a

780
00:38:12,066 --> 00:38:14,466
Speaker 1: chance to watch him afar, obviously, but you're you're in

781
00:38:14,506 --> 00:38:17,866
Speaker 1: those conversations Jordan Love as you look at him as

782
00:38:17,866 --> 00:38:20,746
Speaker 1: an opposing coach, what's your take on his development, how

783
00:38:20,786 --> 00:38:21,306
Speaker 1: far he's come?

784
00:38:22,026 --> 00:38:25,346
Speaker 4: He just he he looks like he just not looks

785
00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:28,466
Speaker 4: he has this great command out there you can just

786
00:38:28,586 --> 00:38:31,386
Speaker 4: tell it's the game has slowed down for him so much,

787
00:38:31,426 --> 00:38:33,666
Speaker 4: and that's a that's a fun spot to be as

788
00:38:33,706 --> 00:38:36,026
Speaker 4: a player and let alone a quarterback, you know. And

789
00:38:36,066 --> 00:38:38,146
Speaker 4: so you've been able to see it not just from

790
00:38:38,506 --> 00:38:41,506
Speaker 4: week one to now, but but really kind of somewhere

791
00:38:41,546 --> 00:38:43,066
Speaker 4: in that mid, you know, middle part of the year.

792
00:38:43,106 --> 00:38:45,466
Speaker 4: It felt like it started when we played him in

793
00:38:45,506 --> 00:38:48,066
Speaker 4: early November, right before our bye week, where you could

794
00:38:48,106 --> 00:38:50,146
Speaker 4: just you could feel that it just was starting to

795
00:38:50,186 --> 00:38:52,426
Speaker 4: look right. And then I know, when we were on

796
00:38:52,426 --> 00:38:55,306
Speaker 4: the by I was able to watch the Green Bay

797
00:38:55,866 --> 00:38:58,666
Speaker 4: Steelers game, you know, live because you don't get to

798
00:38:58,706 --> 00:39:00,986
Speaker 4: see many games live obviously because you're preparing for your

799
00:39:00,986 --> 00:39:04,546
Speaker 4: own and they didn't win, but it looked right on offense.

800
00:39:05,386 --> 00:39:07,706
Speaker 1: And see that's your saying, because everyone circled that game

801
00:39:07,746 --> 00:39:09,066
Speaker 1: and was like that's the end of the steel the

802
00:39:09,146 --> 00:39:11,226
Speaker 1: end of the Packers season, Like they lost to the Steelers,

803
00:39:11,226 --> 00:39:12,706
Speaker 1: it's over. And yet you saw it and you're like,

804
00:39:12,746 --> 00:39:14,786
Speaker 1: wait a second, I see something here.

805
00:39:15,826 --> 00:39:18,346
Speaker 4: It looked right. It looked right from you could tell

806
00:39:18,386 --> 00:39:22,106
Speaker 4: Matt was calling it in an aggressive way, and usually

807
00:39:22,106 --> 00:39:24,586
Speaker 4: when the play callers being aggressive, it's because he has

808
00:39:24,586 --> 00:39:27,346
Speaker 4: so much trust in all his players, but more importantly

809
00:39:27,346 --> 00:39:30,226
Speaker 4: his quarterback. And I think that's probably the biggest thing

810
00:39:30,226 --> 00:39:34,506
Speaker 4: if you asked him, is Matt trusts him because Jordan's

811
00:39:34,546 --> 00:39:37,346
Speaker 4: playing that way and he's playing aggressive, he's playing smart,

812
00:39:37,386 --> 00:39:39,986
Speaker 4: and it's been it's been cool to watch. And I know,

813
00:39:40,106 --> 00:39:42,626
Speaker 4: I know, and Bat's been on record. I don't know Jordan.

814
00:39:42,666 --> 00:39:45,066
Speaker 4: I've talked to him probably once, but he's I know,

815
00:39:45,106 --> 00:39:49,386
Speaker 4: Matt really roots for the human he's but he really

816
00:39:49,466 --> 00:39:51,786
Speaker 4: likes the guy, you know, and and the teammates really

817
00:39:51,826 --> 00:39:54,106
Speaker 4: like the guy. And so that's what's that's what's really

818
00:39:54,106 --> 00:39:55,546
Speaker 4: been cool to see from Afar.

819
00:39:56,026 --> 00:39:58,306
Speaker 1: It's really neat that whole story of the Packers. They

820
00:39:58,306 --> 00:40:01,546
Speaker 1: are so young. So here we have all these established team.

821
00:40:01,586 --> 00:40:03,906
Speaker 1: Packers are the youngest team to ever win a playoff game.

822
00:40:04,666 --> 00:40:07,226
Speaker 1: Your brother takes a whole different crew of guys on

823
00:40:07,306 --> 00:40:11,066
Speaker 1: offense and overnight almost package them together, and here we are.

824
00:40:11,106 --> 00:40:14,146
Speaker 1: They're sizzling. When you were talking to Matt over the summer,

825
00:40:14,306 --> 00:40:15,946
Speaker 1: did you think he had an idea that there was

826
00:40:15,986 --> 00:40:18,186
Speaker 1: a shot that Dontavian Wicks and Jayden Reed would be

827
00:40:18,226 --> 00:40:19,346
Speaker 1: leaving them to the divisional round.

828
00:40:20,466 --> 00:40:22,746
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, it seems like every week there's new

829
00:40:22,746 --> 00:40:23,346
Speaker 4: guys out there.

830
00:40:23,426 --> 00:40:24,706
Speaker 1: I don't even know where some of them, like Bo

831
00:40:24,826 --> 00:40:26,946
Speaker 1: Melton showed up in week seventeen and is now like

832
00:40:26,946 --> 00:40:27,826
Speaker 1: a go to guy.

833
00:40:28,306 --> 00:40:31,866
Speaker 4: Right, And whoever's out there, it's just working, you know.

834
00:40:31,906 --> 00:40:33,346
Speaker 4: And that's kind of what I mean, where it just

835
00:40:34,106 --> 00:40:38,226
Speaker 4: it just looks right, you know. It looks like just

836
00:40:38,266 --> 00:40:41,706
Speaker 4: a well constructed, well orchestrated and again that you know,

837
00:40:41,986 --> 00:40:43,466
Speaker 4: a lot of credit to Matt and the coach is

838
00:40:43,466 --> 00:40:47,066
Speaker 4: no doubt, but quarterback is in command out there, and

839
00:40:47,386 --> 00:40:49,666
Speaker 4: he's comfortable and everyone else is found suit really really

840
00:40:49,746 --> 00:40:50,346
Speaker 4: cool to watch.

841
00:40:50,986 --> 00:40:53,146
Speaker 1: I say with great confidence that I believe, and you

842
00:40:53,146 --> 00:40:54,626
Speaker 1: don't have to be bashful. I believe you'll be a

843
00:40:54,626 --> 00:40:56,346
Speaker 1: head coach in the NFL at some point, you know.

844
00:40:56,466 --> 00:40:58,746
Speaker 1: And if it's not getting interviews this year or getting

845
00:40:58,746 --> 00:41:00,746
Speaker 1: a job this year, it will happen for you because

846
00:41:00,746 --> 00:41:03,706
Speaker 1: you're already respected as one of the best offensive minds

847
00:41:03,746 --> 00:41:06,346
Speaker 1: in the game. And that'll happen. When you look at

848
00:41:07,026 --> 00:41:09,506
Speaker 1: Sean and you look at your brother and you look

849
00:41:09,546 --> 00:41:13,506
Speaker 1: at Kyle at everyone always says, well, they run like

850
00:41:13,546 --> 00:41:16,786
Speaker 1: the Shanahan offense or whatever it is. There are different

851
00:41:16,986 --> 00:41:20,106
Speaker 1: intricacies between the three though, right, and you you could

852
00:41:20,106 --> 00:41:22,226
Speaker 1: spot them out. You can identify, like, here's what this

853
00:41:22,266 --> 00:41:24,106
Speaker 1: one does better than the other. Here's what makes this

854
00:41:24,146 --> 00:41:26,026
Speaker 1: one unique from this one. You've had a chance to

855
00:41:26,066 --> 00:41:28,666
Speaker 1: obviously be with those guys for many, many years in

856
00:41:28,746 --> 00:41:32,346
Speaker 1: conversations both in the building and I'm sure you know,

857
00:41:32,426 --> 00:41:34,546
Speaker 1: at a dinner table or at a bar or wherever

858
00:41:34,546 --> 00:41:35,866
Speaker 1: you guys are hanging in the off season.

859
00:41:36,746 --> 00:41:39,426
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's uh, you could say that the

860
00:41:39,546 --> 00:41:42,546
Speaker 4: nuts and bolts of the offenses are are you know, similar,

861
00:41:42,706 --> 00:41:44,906
Speaker 4: you know in some aspects, but they all go within

862
00:41:44,946 --> 00:41:48,986
Speaker 4: their own personality, you know. And we could talk for

863
00:41:49,186 --> 00:41:51,186
Speaker 4: three hours about this, but I loved it.

864
00:41:51,226 --> 00:41:53,186
Speaker 1: I would honestly, to be honest, Mike, I'd like to

865
00:41:53,186 --> 00:41:54,626
Speaker 1: write a book on this. Like I feel like this

866
00:41:54,706 --> 00:41:56,706
Speaker 1: is like the coolest stuff going in football right now.

867
00:41:56,866 --> 00:41:59,106
Speaker 1: And seeing the three offenses this year was really neat.

868
00:41:59,826 --> 00:42:02,106
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then and then throw you know, McDaniel in

869
00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:04,946
Speaker 4: there in Miami and and here here's what I'll say that,

870
00:42:05,186 --> 00:42:07,786
Speaker 4: you know, I feel like, let's just say those four

871
00:42:07,826 --> 00:42:11,506
Speaker 4: teams is uh, it's fit to the players, you know,

872
00:42:11,666 --> 00:42:15,706
Speaker 4: whatever your player's skill sets are. That's that's where the

873
00:42:15,746 --> 00:42:19,026
Speaker 4: offense ends up going and starting with the quarterback, but

874
00:42:19,066 --> 00:42:22,306
Speaker 4: also the skill around it, you know, so because we

875
00:42:22,346 --> 00:42:24,866
Speaker 4: can all run this system or whatever the system is,

876
00:42:24,906 --> 00:42:28,306
Speaker 4: but if it doesn't fit with the players that you got,

877
00:42:28,746 --> 00:42:31,026
Speaker 4: then doesn't really matter, you know. And so we fit

878
00:42:31,106 --> 00:42:33,866
Speaker 4: ours in a way where we're going to use Kooka's

879
00:42:33,906 --> 00:42:38,146
Speaker 4: big body as as a fullback sometimes and Cooper's you know,

880
00:42:38,386 --> 00:42:41,346
Speaker 4: toughness and smarts as a fullback sometimes back there because

881
00:42:41,346 --> 00:42:44,386
Speaker 4: that's really what they are at times, which opens up

882
00:42:44,386 --> 00:42:46,226
Speaker 4: the run game, which opens up the play pass and

883
00:42:46,226 --> 00:42:50,666
Speaker 4: all that. So again, that's probably a conversation for another day,

884
00:42:51,746 --> 00:42:53,866
Speaker 4: you know, maybe maybe somewhere here in La on the

885
00:42:53,866 --> 00:42:55,786
Speaker 4: beach or something, we can get together for a few

886
00:42:55,826 --> 00:42:57,026
Speaker 4: hours and talk about it.

887
00:42:58,026 --> 00:43:02,066
Speaker 1: Kyle as as like the coach who has spawned the

888
00:43:02,226 --> 00:43:04,626
Speaker 1: you know, with you and with McDaniel and of course

889
00:43:05,026 --> 00:43:09,066
Speaker 1: with your older brother. Has Kyle's offense changed over the years?

890
00:43:09,066 --> 00:43:10,906
Speaker 1: Do you see it as you study that forty nine

891
00:43:10,986 --> 00:43:13,026
Speaker 1: ers tape saying like, well, this is a different offense

892
00:43:13,066 --> 00:43:14,426
Speaker 1: than the one that I was coaching a couple of

893
00:43:14,506 --> 00:43:14,946
Speaker 1: years ago.

894
00:43:15,786 --> 00:43:18,426
Speaker 4: Yeah, ass, it's it's evolved, and you know, I think

895
00:43:19,186 --> 00:43:21,826
Speaker 4: with with a guy like Christian, you know, McCaffrey, they're

896
00:43:21,826 --> 00:43:23,986
Speaker 4: doing a lot of things where you know, they're not

897
00:43:24,066 --> 00:43:27,826
Speaker 4: inempty but they're they're inempty because of where Christian lines

898
00:43:27,906 --> 00:43:30,026
Speaker 4: up with Sean and I call it he's in Jumanji

899
00:43:30,066 --> 00:43:32,586
Speaker 4: out there like he's not on the ball, but he's

900
00:43:32,666 --> 00:43:36,266
Speaker 4: like outside the cores five yards off, you know, and

901
00:43:36,306 --> 00:43:40,626
Speaker 4: it's like, what what is? You know, something's going on

902
00:43:40,706 --> 00:43:42,666
Speaker 4: over there, and maybe he's a decoy, maybe he's not,

903
00:43:42,826 --> 00:43:45,866
Speaker 4: you know, And that's a guy that again that in

904
00:43:45,906 --> 00:43:48,146
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen when we went to the Stanford Pro day,

905
00:43:48,946 --> 00:43:51,706
Speaker 4: Kyle loved him. We all loved him obviously, and uh,

906
00:43:52,146 --> 00:43:54,386
Speaker 4: you know it was we had to I won't even

907
00:43:54,386 --> 00:43:56,466
Speaker 4: get into the draft and all that all unfolded, but

908
00:43:56,506 --> 00:43:58,586
Speaker 4: he ended up in the long run getting them. He

909
00:43:58,626 --> 00:44:00,786
Speaker 4: got there and and he got there, you know, and

910
00:44:00,826 --> 00:44:02,506
Speaker 4: he probably got there at the right time, and you know,

911
00:44:02,706 --> 00:44:05,986
Speaker 4: so it's, uh, it's it's unique to watch, but yeah,

912
00:44:06,106 --> 00:44:11,346
Speaker 4: that Kyle's always evolved in and the defenses have evolved

913
00:44:11,346 --> 00:44:14,866
Speaker 4: so much since the play past days of twenty fifteen

914
00:44:14,906 --> 00:44:17,666
Speaker 4: and sixteen with Atlanta and even early when we first

915
00:44:17,666 --> 00:44:20,346
Speaker 4: got to San Francisco. People are letting you get over

916
00:44:20,386 --> 00:44:22,866
Speaker 4: top as much anymore. And so now let's exploit in

917
00:44:22,906 --> 00:44:25,426
Speaker 4: the intermediate levels of the defense. And you know, I

918
00:44:25,546 --> 00:44:27,466
Speaker 4: like to feel that we we do it as well

919
00:44:27,506 --> 00:44:29,866
Speaker 4: as anyone, you know, our kind of group of coaches.

920
00:44:30,146 --> 00:44:32,706
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the what is the off season like

921
00:44:33,266 --> 00:44:35,506
Speaker 1: tape for you? Is it you study NFL? Do you

922
00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:37,226
Speaker 1: study college? Are you one of these guys that will

923
00:44:37,266 --> 00:44:39,986
Speaker 1: go into a hole and just start learning everything around

924
00:44:40,026 --> 00:44:42,026
Speaker 1: the league, or are you more Here's what we do,

925
00:44:42,306 --> 00:44:43,866
Speaker 1: here's how we have to get better, here's our personal

926
00:44:43,906 --> 00:44:46,346
Speaker 1: I'm always fascinating because you talk to these coaches and

927
00:44:46,386 --> 00:44:47,906
Speaker 1: a lot of you guys on the offensive side of

928
00:44:47,906 --> 00:44:50,106
Speaker 1: the ball, it's hey, did you see what Eastern Kentucky

929
00:44:50,146 --> 00:44:52,626
Speaker 1: did this year? Or did you see what they do

930
00:44:52,666 --> 00:44:55,306
Speaker 1: out in Boise State? You know, it's it's interesting and

931
00:44:55,386 --> 00:44:57,546
Speaker 1: I know that some people curate that stuff online, but

932
00:44:57,626 --> 00:45:00,346
Speaker 1: we as fans and me and the media like I

933
00:45:00,346 --> 00:45:03,946
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have that same nose for it as the

934
00:45:03,986 --> 00:45:05,786
Speaker 1: coaching set world does what do you do over the

935
00:45:05,826 --> 00:45:07,866
Speaker 1: off season better and hone your skills?

936
00:45:08,226 --> 00:45:10,786
Speaker 4: Yeah, unfortunately, the off season is here, you know, and

937
00:45:11,786 --> 00:45:14,306
Speaker 4: it was you know, last year getting here, because again

938
00:45:14,386 --> 00:45:17,746
Speaker 4: it's not the offense we ran in New York or

939
00:45:17,746 --> 00:45:19,986
Speaker 4: it's not San Francis. I had to learn this system,

940
00:45:20,346 --> 00:45:22,746
Speaker 4: you know, and what the intricacies of this one is.

941
00:45:22,786 --> 00:45:25,546
Speaker 4: And so there was less study in last year on

942
00:45:25,666 --> 00:45:27,666
Speaker 4: other teams. It was more, Okay, what do we got

943
00:45:28,306 --> 00:45:30,826
Speaker 4: and you know, here's what we did, and let's let's

944
00:45:30,826 --> 00:45:33,226
Speaker 4: mold it to the two thirteen rams for two twenty

945
00:45:33,266 --> 00:45:36,506
Speaker 4: three rams, excuse me. And so that's what we did.

946
00:45:36,546 --> 00:45:38,666
Speaker 4: And now this year you get to you get to

947
00:45:38,706 --> 00:45:41,026
Speaker 4: go out again and hey, we got this system. Okay,

948
00:45:41,066 --> 00:45:44,266
Speaker 4: now what can we incorporate? What's the trends and flows

949
00:45:44,066 --> 00:45:46,586
Speaker 4: of the league and the defenses and stuff like that

950
00:45:46,586 --> 00:45:48,546
Speaker 4: if we hadn't picked up on it from just our

951
00:45:48,586 --> 00:45:51,866
Speaker 4: weekly game plan. And so that'll be fun, you know,

952
00:45:51,986 --> 00:45:53,946
Speaker 4: as far as like the colleges and stuff like that.

953
00:45:54,946 --> 00:45:56,786
Speaker 4: You study so many of these guys coming out of

954
00:45:56,786 --> 00:45:59,666
Speaker 4: the draft that you inevitably are watching their skins too,

955
00:45:59,746 --> 00:46:01,746
Speaker 4: and some of them you did. I mean, you're like,

956
00:46:01,786 --> 00:46:04,386
Speaker 4: what is going on here? You know, And it's it's unique.

957
00:46:04,386 --> 00:46:06,386
Speaker 4: It's cool. It's a whole different game, the college game.

958
00:46:06,746 --> 00:46:08,786
Speaker 4: A lot of respect for what they're doing it, but

959
00:46:08,826 --> 00:46:11,346
Speaker 4: it's it's like foreign it doesn't even feel like the

960
00:46:11,386 --> 00:46:13,906
Speaker 4: same game half the time. But that's where that's where

961
00:46:13,946 --> 00:46:16,386
Speaker 4: I know me personally. That's where you you know, if

962
00:46:16,426 --> 00:46:19,386
Speaker 4: there's something schematically that someone's doing, I'm not watching eighteen

963
00:46:19,466 --> 00:46:21,826
Speaker 4: per se, I'm watching the players. And then he that's

964
00:46:21,906 --> 00:46:24,426
Speaker 4: kind of cool and we'll fit. I don't know, you know,

965
00:46:24,466 --> 00:46:26,546
Speaker 4: you just kind of use your own brain there and

966
00:46:27,266 --> 00:46:29,866
Speaker 4: you go from there. But that's kind of the process

967
00:46:29,906 --> 00:46:32,186
Speaker 4: of what will happen up until when the players get back.

968
00:46:32,666 --> 00:46:35,706
Speaker 1: You know, my relationship with McVeigh, I'm not in the

969
00:46:35,706 --> 00:46:38,026
Speaker 1: building every day, but we're just friends and we've been

970
00:46:38,066 --> 00:46:41,586
Speaker 1: friends for years and I respect his coaching ability. What

971
00:46:41,746 --> 00:46:43,746
Speaker 1: did you learn from Sean McVeigh? What did you see

972
00:46:43,826 --> 00:46:47,306
Speaker 1: this year? Working for him so much?

973
00:46:48,706 --> 00:46:51,866
Speaker 4: He is you know, he's asked me, He goes, did

974
00:46:51,906 --> 00:46:53,866
Speaker 4: you expect it to be like this? And I don't

975
00:46:53,866 --> 00:46:55,946
Speaker 4: know what I expect. I just expected to come into

976
00:46:55,946 --> 00:46:58,266
Speaker 4: a place where you're going to work with really good

977
00:46:58,266 --> 00:47:03,306
Speaker 4: people and starting from the top. Our ownership, they're awesome.

978
00:47:03,386 --> 00:47:06,386
Speaker 4: That the La Rams building is so cool because it's

979
00:47:06,906 --> 00:47:09,266
Speaker 4: it's just ball. It's ball and good people you know,

980
00:47:09,386 --> 00:47:13,146
Speaker 4: and it was it was extremely refreshing. It's so fun

981
00:47:13,146 --> 00:47:15,466
Speaker 4: to go to work every day because of because of

982
00:47:15,466 --> 00:47:21,266
Speaker 4: that building and lesson Sean. He Sean is is demanding.

983
00:47:21,306 --> 00:47:24,346
Speaker 4: He gets the most out of these guys. You know,

984
00:47:24,426 --> 00:47:28,906
Speaker 4: he's extremely urgent. Like I've told him. Our walkthroughs are

985
00:47:29,026 --> 00:47:31,426
Speaker 4: the first walkthrough as a part of in Phase two

986
00:47:31,466 --> 00:47:33,226
Speaker 4: back in April or May whenever, it was, I go,

987
00:47:33,346 --> 00:47:34,986
Speaker 4: that's the best walk through I've ever been a part

988
00:47:34,986 --> 00:47:39,266
Speaker 4: of the first one, and it just was because and

989
00:47:39,746 --> 00:47:42,266
Speaker 4: it's the players didn't know any better. That's just what

990
00:47:42,306 --> 00:47:44,906
Speaker 4: they do here, you know. And that's the culture he

991
00:47:44,986 --> 00:47:48,386
Speaker 4: set up and and there's there's never any issues, you know.

992
00:47:48,546 --> 00:47:51,506
Speaker 4: So he's got he's got full command of this thing.

993
00:47:52,506 --> 00:47:52,626
Speaker 1: Uh.

994
00:47:52,866 --> 00:47:54,906
Speaker 4: He's such a great leader, he's such a great person.

995
00:47:55,106 --> 00:47:57,506
Speaker 4: It's obviously a good extent nose coach, no doubt. But

996
00:47:57,546 --> 00:48:00,066
Speaker 4: there's so much more that goes into it that people

997
00:48:00,106 --> 00:48:02,506
Speaker 4: don't see in terms of, you know, obviously the leadership

998
00:48:02,586 --> 00:48:05,706
Speaker 4: and the relationships he has with these guys, you know,

999
00:48:05,786 --> 00:48:08,186
Speaker 4: and it's it's it was really cool. I don't know

1000
00:48:08,226 --> 00:48:09,866
Speaker 4: what happened here in the past, obviously, I just know

1001
00:48:09,906 --> 00:48:12,146
Speaker 4: they want a lot of football games. Yeah, but but

1002
00:48:12,186 --> 00:48:15,586
Speaker 4: I know he's having a lot of fun and that's, uh,

1003
00:48:15,626 --> 00:48:17,626
Speaker 4: that's cool. That's really cool for for for me, and

1004
00:48:17,666 --> 00:48:19,546
Speaker 4: I think all the other coaches watch him have fun

1005
00:48:19,586 --> 00:48:20,826
Speaker 4: and really enjoying this thing.

1006
00:48:21,186 --> 00:48:23,746
Speaker 1: What'd you learn from Kyle? What was your big takeaway

1007
00:48:23,746 --> 00:48:25,226
Speaker 1: from Kyle when you say I'm going to take this

1008
00:48:25,266 --> 00:48:26,946
Speaker 1: on too all my next jobs, Like, what do you think,

1009
00:48:27,066 --> 00:48:29,746
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, What's what's the big the big give me

1010
00:48:29,746 --> 00:48:30,706
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna bring that with you.

1011
00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:33,426
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of in that same mold of like

1012
00:48:33,506 --> 00:48:36,706
Speaker 4: this league doesn't wait for you. You know, you better

1013
00:48:36,746 --> 00:48:38,786
Speaker 4: be urgent, you know, and and everything you do from

1014
00:48:38,786 --> 00:48:43,466
Speaker 4: a coaching and player perspective, and because there's there's thirty

1015
00:48:43,466 --> 00:48:46,186
Speaker 4: two teams and you know, everyone knows what that end

1016
00:48:46,186 --> 00:48:48,626
Speaker 4: goal is. He doesn't overly talk about winning or going

1017
00:48:48,626 --> 00:48:50,586
Speaker 4: to Super Bowls or any of that stuff. It's just

1018
00:48:51,186 --> 00:48:53,626
Speaker 4: what do we got to do today to be better?

1019
00:48:54,106 --> 00:48:58,586
Speaker 4: And the way they practice up there, the physicality that

1020
00:48:58,626 --> 00:49:01,346
Speaker 4: they bring on a daily basis that that comes to

1021
00:49:01,426 --> 00:49:04,106
Speaker 4: fruition on Sundays, you know, but it's not just you

1022
00:49:04,106 --> 00:49:06,266
Speaker 4: know once in a while, it's it's just how they

1023
00:49:06,306 --> 00:49:08,706
Speaker 4: do things up there, so fun of respect for him

1024
00:49:08,786 --> 00:49:11,186
Speaker 4: is again I know I'm kind of broken record with

1025
00:49:11,186 --> 00:49:14,186
Speaker 4: saying it, but he's an incredible.

1026
00:49:13,946 --> 00:49:16,146
Speaker 1: These are two of the top offensive minds in the

1027
00:49:16,186 --> 00:49:18,546
Speaker 1: history of the sport, like, and you've worked for both

1028
00:49:18,586 --> 00:49:20,666
Speaker 1: of them as their right hand men. Like, I think

1029
00:49:20,746 --> 00:49:22,986
Speaker 1: that's a pretty cool gig for you. And I think

1030
00:49:23,026 --> 00:49:24,826
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to get your insights because you have

1031
00:49:24,866 --> 00:49:27,146
Speaker 1: a different vantage point than us on the outside. Whoor

1032
00:49:27,146 --> 00:49:28,786
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, look at this play they drew up.

1033
00:49:29,626 --> 00:49:32,626
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's the plays are They're cool. But everyone

1034
00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:37,786
Speaker 4: can draw a cool place. I mean, my daughter's over here, guys,

1035
00:49:37,906 --> 00:49:39,946
Speaker 4: Like it's kind of good. Got it from mad you know,

1036
00:49:40,066 --> 00:49:42,706
Speaker 4: it's let's implement it, you know, and usually it will

1037
00:49:42,706 --> 00:49:46,106
Speaker 4: work with Matthew, Stafford and Hook and Cooper, but it's there.

1038
00:49:46,146 --> 00:49:48,946
Speaker 4: There's so much more to this thing and and you know,

1039
00:49:49,346 --> 00:49:51,386
Speaker 4: and like you said, Kyle, Kyle does it at a

1040
00:49:51,466 --> 00:49:54,946
Speaker 4: level that's that's awesome. And you know, love him like

1041
00:49:54,946 --> 00:49:58,186
Speaker 4: a brother, you know, so he's Uh, I owe a

1042
00:49:58,226 --> 00:49:58,786
Speaker 4: lot to him.

1043
00:49:59,106 --> 00:50:01,466
Speaker 1: I've got two more on like other coaches, and I

1044
00:50:01,506 --> 00:50:03,226
Speaker 1: think you have to understand on this podcast, it's a

1045
00:50:03,266 --> 00:50:06,226
Speaker 1: lot of coaches who listen. So anytime we get insights on,

1046
00:50:06,506 --> 00:50:09,546
Speaker 1: you know, the dynamics between then we love it when

1047
00:50:09,586 --> 00:50:11,906
Speaker 1: when you and Mike McDaniel are both coming up with

1048
00:50:11,946 --> 00:50:14,266
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. Obviously there was the past game coordinator,

1049
00:50:14,266 --> 00:50:16,826
Speaker 1: there's a run game coordinator, there was different titles. He

1050
00:50:16,906 --> 00:50:20,826
Speaker 1: gets the job in Miami, did you envision him, you know,

1051
00:50:21,146 --> 00:50:23,746
Speaker 1: doing all this razzle dazzle and the motion stuff. And

1052
00:50:23,946 --> 00:50:26,626
Speaker 1: I guess now two years in, would you say you're

1053
00:50:26,666 --> 00:50:28,706
Speaker 1: super exciting for what he's become and what he's got

1054
00:50:28,746 --> 00:50:29,506
Speaker 1: his offense doing.

1055
00:50:30,146 --> 00:50:34,586
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, And it's like he looks so comfortable

1056
00:50:34,626 --> 00:50:36,666
Speaker 4: in his role too. You know, I don't watch any

1057
00:50:36,666 --> 00:50:38,546
Speaker 4: of the hard knocks and stuff like that. I heard

1058
00:50:38,586 --> 00:50:42,026
Speaker 4: it's pretty pretty entertaining. And and but but the one

1059
00:50:42,026 --> 00:50:44,826
Speaker 4: thing that keeps coming out of from those players in

1060
00:50:44,866 --> 00:50:47,026
Speaker 4: Miami that that are open about is he is who

1061
00:50:47,026 --> 00:50:49,466
Speaker 4: he is. He's not trying to be someone he's not.

1062
00:50:49,626 --> 00:50:52,746
Speaker 4: He's going to be the same personality every single day. Obviously,

1063
00:50:52,786 --> 00:50:57,026
Speaker 4: he has done some incredible things on offense there, you know,

1064
00:50:57,106 --> 00:50:59,506
Speaker 4: and it's it's not surprising he puts a lot of

1065
00:50:59,546 --> 00:51:02,506
Speaker 4: time into it almost probably you know too, much time

1066
00:51:02,546 --> 00:51:04,226
Speaker 4: when you know what time he wakes up in the

1067
00:51:04,306 --> 00:51:07,146
Speaker 4: morning and stuff like that. But he he's a he's

1068
00:51:07,186 --> 00:51:09,426
Speaker 4: a ball guy and he loves it. And I know

1069
00:51:09,466 --> 00:51:11,306
Speaker 4: the players they got us back there too.

1070
00:51:11,666 --> 00:51:14,066
Speaker 1: Did you think his personality would work as a head coach?

1071
00:51:14,106 --> 00:51:16,746
Speaker 1: And the big knock and hear the question was, how

1072
00:51:16,866 --> 00:51:18,986
Speaker 1: is you know? He's just like really curious thinker. He's

1073
00:51:19,026 --> 00:51:20,666
Speaker 1: got this long drawn out of it and yet the

1074
00:51:20,666 --> 00:51:22,786
Speaker 1: players absolutely love him. But I remember coming up they

1075
00:51:22,786 --> 00:51:23,866
Speaker 1: were like, I don't know if the players are going

1076
00:51:23,906 --> 00:51:25,506
Speaker 1: to be able to connect with Mike McDaniel. I would say,

1077
00:51:25,546 --> 00:51:26,746
Speaker 1: I don't know. If that's the case, I think he

1078
00:51:26,746 --> 00:51:28,906
Speaker 1: actually might connect with them better because he's himself and

1079
00:51:28,906 --> 00:51:29,586
Speaker 1: he's authentic.

1080
00:51:30,346 --> 00:51:32,426
Speaker 4: He's authentic. That's the exact word I was going to use.

1081
00:51:32,426 --> 00:51:35,866
Speaker 4: He's he's true to himself. And I mean leaders come

1082
00:51:35,906 --> 00:51:38,626
Speaker 4: in all shapes and sizes, right, and as long as

1083
00:51:38,626 --> 00:51:41,466
Speaker 4: you are who you are, you're true to yourself. You're

1084
00:51:41,506 --> 00:51:43,386
Speaker 4: not some you're not trying to be someone that you're not.

1085
00:51:43,786 --> 00:51:46,426
Speaker 4: Players see that. They can see through BS. I mean

1086
00:51:46,466 --> 00:51:49,026
Speaker 4: they're professionals. They can see through BS at an elite level,

1087
00:51:49,426 --> 00:51:51,186
Speaker 4: you know, and I know Mike just goes in there

1088
00:51:51,186 --> 00:51:53,826
Speaker 4: and his main goal is He's very smart, obviously, but

1089
00:51:53,906 --> 00:51:57,266
Speaker 4: his his main goal is to maximize these players. And

1090
00:51:57,306 --> 00:51:59,706
Speaker 4: if if the players feel that and know that, which

1091
00:51:59,746 --> 00:52:02,106
Speaker 4: they do, they'll they'll play for you, you know, they'll

1092
00:52:02,106 --> 00:52:03,986
Speaker 4: play hard for you, and they'll and they'll respect you,

1093
00:52:04,106 --> 00:52:06,826
Speaker 4: and you know, so that's it's been cool to watch

1094
00:52:06,826 --> 00:52:09,706
Speaker 4: because Mike hasn't changed. It's the same guy he was,

1095
00:52:09,746 --> 00:52:12,386
Speaker 4: as you know, a receiver coach in Cleveland and when

1096
00:52:12,426 --> 00:52:14,866
Speaker 4: I first met him, when he was in Houston. Obviously

1097
00:52:14,906 --> 00:52:17,306
Speaker 4: he's just gotten a little bit older. And you know,

1098
00:52:17,426 --> 00:52:19,306
Speaker 4: it's not surprising at all.

1099
00:52:19,506 --> 00:52:22,026
Speaker 1: And there's most of your former player having twenty one

1100
00:52:22,066 --> 00:52:24,186
Speaker 1: touchdowns as a Miami Dolphin, and you're like, yeah, I

1101
00:52:24,186 --> 00:52:26,146
Speaker 1: could see that totally.

1102
00:52:26,266 --> 00:52:31,106
Speaker 4: You know, it's what a what a cool story for him. Gosh,

1103
00:52:31,226 --> 00:52:34,506
Speaker 4: you know, cut five six times, I don't know. And

1104
00:52:34,506 --> 00:52:37,146
Speaker 4: then twenty eighteen, he obviously at the back end of

1105
00:52:37,186 --> 00:52:40,346
Speaker 4: the twenty nineteen year, on our way to the Super Bowl,

1106
00:52:40,386 --> 00:52:43,426
Speaker 4: he statistically I think was the top you know, I

1107
00:52:43,426 --> 00:52:45,106
Speaker 4: mean it seemed like he was averaging about one hundred

1108
00:52:45,106 --> 00:52:47,826
Speaker 4: and twenty a game. But even in eighteen he had

1109
00:52:47,866 --> 00:52:49,986
Speaker 4: some games where, you know, I remember going up to

1110
00:52:50,026 --> 00:52:52,666
Speaker 4: Lamba when he played really well there and it was

1111
00:52:52,786 --> 00:52:55,146
Speaker 4: just putting it kind of all together. And there he

1112
00:52:55,226 --> 00:52:58,346
Speaker 4: was in nineteen doing that. And you know, obviously him

1113
00:52:58,346 --> 00:53:01,386
Speaker 4: and Mike have a really really close relationship, unique relationship,

1114
00:53:01,426 --> 00:53:03,466
Speaker 4: and it's been cool to watch him, you know, over

1115
00:53:03,506 --> 00:53:04,106
Speaker 4: there do his thing.

1116
00:53:04,506 --> 00:53:07,386
Speaker 1: I had Sala on the podcast last season and he

1117
00:53:07,426 --> 00:53:11,706
Speaker 1: told a great story about him and Matt were roommates together,

1118
00:53:11,786 --> 00:53:13,706
Speaker 1: but they were living in like a one bedroom and

1119
00:53:13,746 --> 00:53:16,226
Speaker 1: they were eating you know, Domino's pizza every night, or

1120
00:53:16,306 --> 00:53:19,106
Speaker 1: might have been whatever, Little Caesars, whatever, the Detroit style

1121
00:53:19,186 --> 00:53:24,666
Speaker 1: delivered whatever's in Mount Pleasant, Michigan, where Central Michigan was,

1122
00:53:24,746 --> 00:53:27,546
Speaker 1: and that like for warm, hot meals. They would come

1123
00:53:27,586 --> 00:53:29,746
Speaker 1: over your house and like you would like you and

1124
00:53:29,786 --> 00:53:32,186
Speaker 1: your I guess it was your wife or a girlfriend

1125
00:53:32,186 --> 00:53:33,506
Speaker 1: a time, I don't know. You guys would cook them

1126
00:53:33,506 --> 00:53:35,186
Speaker 1: meals and be like I got you even though you're

1127
00:53:35,186 --> 00:53:37,866
Speaker 1: the younger sibling. I know how tight you are with

1128
00:53:37,986 --> 00:53:40,546
Speaker 1: Sala as well. What was it like working with Robert

1129
00:53:40,546 --> 00:53:43,666
Speaker 1: and for Jets Vans listening? Obviously you're now with the Rams,

1130
00:53:43,706 --> 00:53:45,346
Speaker 1: but like if they were wondering, like, well, what do

1131
00:53:45,386 --> 00:53:49,266
Speaker 1: we gotten a head coach? What would you say about Salah?

1132
00:53:49,506 --> 00:53:54,026
Speaker 4: Extremely extremely smart? Like it like he finds a way.

1133
00:53:54,066 --> 00:53:56,426
Speaker 4: And yes, they would come over when we were in

1134
00:53:56,506 --> 00:53:58,546
Speaker 4: high school. It was my girlfriend at the time obviously

1135
00:53:58,586 --> 00:54:02,106
Speaker 4: my wife now, and yes they would take over the

1136
00:54:02,146 --> 00:54:05,186
Speaker 4: TV and it just was like, can you guys just

1137
00:54:05,226 --> 00:54:06,986
Speaker 4: get out of here so we can just do our thing.

1138
00:54:07,106 --> 00:54:11,106
Speaker 4: But anyway, that's for another time as well. But he

1139
00:54:11,346 --> 00:54:14,186
Speaker 4: is the thing that solid does so well, is uh

1140
00:54:14,626 --> 00:54:17,866
Speaker 4: he he can he makes things very simple for I

1141
00:54:17,866 --> 00:54:21,066
Speaker 4: think the players, like it's you could tell you know,

1142
00:54:21,186 --> 00:54:23,466
Speaker 4: his thought process and then he makes it where it's

1143
00:54:23,506 --> 00:54:27,906
Speaker 4: extremely easy for the players to understand exactly what what

1144
00:54:27,906 --> 00:54:29,746
Speaker 4: what he's asking from them, and not just from a

1145
00:54:29,786 --> 00:54:32,786
Speaker 4: defensive perspective, but from a team perspective. His team meetings

1146
00:54:33,106 --> 00:54:35,906
Speaker 4: or are awesome. I know, the players love it, the

1147
00:54:36,226 --> 00:54:38,786
Speaker 4: stories that he gives and how he ties it all together,

1148
00:54:39,266 --> 00:54:42,106
Speaker 4: uh with with you know, whatever week we're playing, and

1149
00:54:42,386 --> 00:54:45,066
Speaker 4: the players that that he has. So there's a lot

1150
00:54:45,066 --> 00:54:47,626
Speaker 4: of factors that go into what's going on right now.

1151
00:54:47,666 --> 00:54:49,466
Speaker 4: I won't even you know, won't get into all of them,

1152
00:54:49,466 --> 00:54:52,266
Speaker 4: but a lot of respect for for Robert and uh,

1153
00:54:52,706 --> 00:54:55,066
Speaker 4: you know, as long as they're not playing the rams,

1154
00:54:55,346 --> 00:54:56,986
Speaker 4: you know, I wish them all the best.

1155
00:54:57,026 --> 00:55:00,666
Speaker 1: Obviously, that's cool and that's mature of you. Obviously. All right,

1156
00:55:00,866 --> 00:55:04,506
Speaker 1: real real quick, you yourself. So your older brother is

1157
00:55:04,506 --> 00:55:07,466
Speaker 1: in coaching, you're in coaching. What was the floor household

1158
00:55:07,546 --> 00:55:10,666
Speaker 1: like as kids? And was this like your destiny? Like

1159
00:55:10,826 --> 00:55:12,386
Speaker 1: I don't even know it was? Your pop's a coach?

1160
00:55:12,466 --> 00:55:14,186
Speaker 1: Like how did it come to be? It's so cool

1161
00:55:14,186 --> 00:55:17,026
Speaker 1: that two siblings from Grand Rapids, Michigan. Is that where

1162
00:55:17,026 --> 00:55:17,626
Speaker 1: you guys grew up?

1163
00:55:18,306 --> 00:55:20,106
Speaker 4: Were we grew up in maltplus you grew up.

1164
00:55:19,986 --> 00:55:23,546
Speaker 1: In Mount Pleasant proper? Okay? So Mount Pleasant, Michigan? How

1165
00:55:23,546 --> 00:55:25,546
Speaker 1: did this happen? And it was like, were you like

1166
00:55:25,586 --> 00:55:27,626
Speaker 1: football in a crib type deal? Or is this you

1167
00:55:27,666 --> 00:55:29,266
Speaker 1: guys who both independently loved it?

1168
00:55:30,226 --> 00:55:34,186
Speaker 4: Yeah? You know, everyone in our family as coaches, starting

1169
00:55:34,226 --> 00:55:36,906
Speaker 4: with my grandpa. He was a high school head coach

1170
00:55:37,026 --> 00:55:41,186
Speaker 4: at mostly a school down in KILMAZOOKELMA was and Lloye RKS,

1171
00:55:41,226 --> 00:55:43,626
Speaker 4: but he was a head coach at other places as well.

1172
00:55:44,106 --> 00:55:46,706
Speaker 4: And so my mom obviously grew up just in and

1173
00:55:46,746 --> 00:55:49,586
Speaker 4: around football, and then when she went to Central Michigan,

1174
00:55:49,666 --> 00:55:52,386
Speaker 4: my dad was there playing and obviously started dating and

1175
00:55:52,426 --> 00:55:54,546
Speaker 4: got married, you know, and Da da da, and then

1176
00:55:54,706 --> 00:55:57,426
Speaker 4: my dad, once he got done playing, ended up coaching

1177
00:55:57,466 --> 00:56:00,226
Speaker 4: at Central Michigan for twenty some odd years, and so

1178
00:56:00,946 --> 00:56:03,226
Speaker 4: that's what we grew up doing. You know. I got

1179
00:56:03,266 --> 00:56:05,346
Speaker 4: asked because we were going into fort Field, how many

1180
00:56:05,386 --> 00:56:07,626
Speaker 4: Detroit Lions games went to I went to zero growing

1181
00:56:07,706 --> 00:56:10,946
Speaker 4: up because my dad was coaching at Central, and so

1182
00:56:10,986 --> 00:56:13,946
Speaker 4: we didn't know anything better than Saturdays and MAC football.

1183
00:56:14,226 --> 00:56:16,666
Speaker 4: That was before MAC was played on Monday through Friday.

1184
00:56:16,706 --> 00:56:18,906
Speaker 4: It was Saturday one o'clock games.

1185
00:56:19,066 --> 00:56:21,706
Speaker 1: Like Dan Lefever, Like, who are we talking about? Like

1186
00:56:21,746 --> 00:56:23,666
Speaker 1: I go back before.

1187
00:56:23,386 --> 00:56:25,626
Speaker 4: That, it's even before that, long.

1188
00:56:25,546 --> 00:56:28,266
Speaker 1: Before JJ Watt. We're talking yeah, oh.

1189
00:56:28,186 --> 00:56:31,266
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is uh gosh, I couldn't even give

1190
00:56:31,306 --> 00:56:34,506
Speaker 4: you some of the names, but Brian Prewitt and Joe

1191
00:56:34,546 --> 00:56:38,106
Speaker 4: Youngblood and uh, I mean, Matt would actually probably be

1192
00:56:38,186 --> 00:56:40,106
Speaker 4: the one better because my dad got let go when

1193
00:56:40,146 --> 00:56:43,546
Speaker 4: I was in fifth grade, but in which my brother

1194
00:56:43,666 --> 00:56:46,986
Speaker 4: was a senior, so he had all eighteen years, you

1195
00:56:46,986 --> 00:56:49,906
Speaker 4: could say, of being there on the sidelines with my dad.

1196
00:56:50,066 --> 00:56:55,266
Speaker 4: Just football, chip AWAF football, you know, and that's who

1197
00:56:55,306 --> 00:56:57,586
Speaker 4: is your favorite team? Michigan, Michigan now Central Michigan.

1198
00:56:57,906 --> 00:56:58,866
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it.

1199
00:56:58,866 --> 00:57:01,306
Speaker 4: That was the only team, you know, and uh so,

1200
00:57:02,586 --> 00:57:03,706
Speaker 4: you know, and then when he got like, oh, he

1201
00:57:03,786 --> 00:57:05,946
Speaker 4: ended up being the high school head coach for a

1202
00:57:05,986 --> 00:57:07,906
Speaker 4: few years and then an assistant and stuff like that.

1203
00:57:07,986 --> 00:57:10,386
Speaker 4: So never had a move. Matt and I grew up

1204
00:57:10,386 --> 00:57:11,066
Speaker 4: in the same house.

1205
00:57:11,266 --> 00:57:13,346
Speaker 1: What a blessing, right as you and Matt have jumped

1206
00:57:13,346 --> 00:57:15,626
Speaker 1: from place to place just pursuing a career, which is

1207
00:57:15,706 --> 00:57:18,106
Speaker 1: all noble and it's been great. What a cool deal

1208
00:57:18,266 --> 00:57:20,546
Speaker 1: that you guys grew up in the same town in

1209
00:57:20,546 --> 00:57:21,786
Speaker 1: a coaching life. It's unheard of.

1210
00:57:21,986 --> 00:57:25,826
Speaker 4: Same house, same town, you know, So you had the

1211
00:57:25,866 --> 00:57:28,186
Speaker 4: same friends and you know, like we were just saying,

1212
00:57:28,466 --> 00:57:31,546
Speaker 4: I met my wife at you know, in Mount Pleasant.

1213
00:57:31,586 --> 00:57:35,466
Speaker 4: We started dating in junior high and had a little

1214
00:57:35,506 --> 00:57:37,666
Speaker 4: hicc up there in around eighth grade or something like that,

1215
00:57:37,706 --> 00:57:39,666
Speaker 4: but got back together in early high school and eighth.

1216
00:57:39,506 --> 00:57:42,026
Speaker 1: Grade dance was intense though, like a lot of things happened.

1217
00:57:42,026 --> 00:57:44,106
Speaker 1: There's a lot of drama. There's the other Yes, I

1218
00:57:44,146 --> 00:57:44,466
Speaker 1: get it.

1219
00:57:44,506 --> 00:57:46,946
Speaker 4: Dude, I had to figure some things out, obviously. But

1220
00:57:47,746 --> 00:57:50,346
Speaker 4: they started dating again in high school and ended up

1221
00:57:50,386 --> 00:57:52,666
Speaker 4: going to college together and got married and dah da dah.

1222
00:57:52,706 --> 00:57:56,786
Speaker 4: You know. So her dad actually played at Central Michigan

1223
00:57:56,826 --> 00:58:00,026
Speaker 4: when my dad, she was there, you know, absolutely, Yeah,

1224
00:58:00,146 --> 00:58:02,106
Speaker 4: he was a receiver back in the day when they

1225
00:58:02,106 --> 00:58:04,186
Speaker 4: put their hand in the dirt there in the seventies

1226
00:58:04,226 --> 00:58:07,386
Speaker 4: and eighties. So yeah, it was Yeah, it was really

1227
00:58:07,426 --> 00:58:09,226
Speaker 4: cool though. We got to be in that same house.

1228
00:58:09,266 --> 00:58:12,826
Speaker 4: And ironically, Matt finally moved them out of there a

1229
00:58:12,906 --> 00:58:16,226
Speaker 4: year ago. And you know, they're they're obviously retired there

1230
00:58:16,586 --> 00:58:19,186
Speaker 4: and you're supposed to go south, and he moved them

1231
00:58:19,226 --> 00:58:21,786
Speaker 4: to Green Bay just to have some built in babysitters. Yeah,

1232
00:58:21,786 --> 00:58:22,786
Speaker 4: don't let them tell you no.

1233
00:58:22,786 --> 00:58:25,186
Speaker 1: No, That's exactly why I get it, dude. I was

1234
00:58:25,186 --> 00:58:27,586
Speaker 1: thinking you were going to say to Naples, Florida, or

1235
00:58:27,626 --> 00:58:30,746
Speaker 1: to Palm Springs. No, green Bay, You're coming here. You're

1236
00:58:30,746 --> 00:58:31,266
Speaker 1: gonna help out.

1237
00:58:32,066 --> 00:58:34,306
Speaker 4: Like I'm going I'm supposed to go see the grandparents,

1238
00:58:34,346 --> 00:58:37,066
Speaker 4: but I'm not going to Green Bay to go say, like,

1239
00:58:37,106 --> 00:58:38,666
Speaker 4: you guys want to come out here, come out here.

1240
00:58:38,746 --> 00:58:41,426
Speaker 4: This is a vacation, all right.

1241
00:58:41,426 --> 00:58:43,546
Speaker 1: And then you get through college and it's like it's

1242
00:58:43,546 --> 00:58:45,506
Speaker 1: a no brainer, or did you have you know, I

1243
00:58:45,546 --> 00:58:47,666
Speaker 1: know everyone's got like, well, at first I was doing

1244
00:58:47,666 --> 00:58:50,586
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical sales sometimes like did you take other lanes or

1245
00:58:50,666 --> 00:58:51,546
Speaker 1: was it coaching from the go?

1246
00:58:52,626 --> 00:58:56,186
Speaker 4: You know? So Matt always we both knew we were

1247
00:58:56,386 --> 00:58:59,466
Speaker 4: going to be coaches, obviously, And if you ask Matt

1248
00:58:59,746 --> 00:59:02,946
Speaker 4: you know today, and I'd say the same thing, like

1249
00:59:02,986 --> 00:59:04,266
Speaker 4: He's like, man, if I could ever just be the

1250
00:59:04,346 --> 00:59:07,066
Speaker 4: quarterback coach at Central Michigan, like I've made it, you know,

1251
00:59:07,186 --> 00:59:09,226
Speaker 4: Like what a cool gig that would be. And so

1252
00:59:09,346 --> 00:59:12,626
Speaker 4: that we I mean, there was no aspirations of anything

1253
00:59:12,626 --> 00:59:14,266
Speaker 4: other than just trying to be the best you can

1254
00:59:14,306 --> 00:59:16,386
Speaker 4: be and wherever you land out, make it the best

1255
00:59:16,426 --> 00:59:19,466
Speaker 4: you can. And when I got to college, I went

1256
00:59:19,506 --> 00:59:22,986
Speaker 4: to a Division III school in Chicago called Elmhurst and

1257
00:59:23,026 --> 00:59:25,906
Speaker 4: it was not state tuition, and my parents were teachers,

1258
00:59:25,906 --> 00:59:28,066
Speaker 4: and so they made that very known and they said, hey,

1259
00:59:28,226 --> 00:59:29,626
Speaker 4: if you're going to go to this school, why don't

1260
00:59:29,626 --> 00:59:33,506
Speaker 4: you like go into business or something or economics. I'm like, yeah,

1261
00:59:33,546 --> 00:59:36,066
Speaker 4: you know what, maybe I will pursue that. And I

1262
00:59:36,066 --> 00:59:38,226
Speaker 4: got through about the first two months of those classes

1263
00:59:38,226 --> 00:59:41,186
Speaker 4: and I called my mom. I said, I can't do that.

1264
00:59:42,266 --> 00:59:44,506
Speaker 4: This is not for me. I'm not smart enough to

1265
00:59:44,506 --> 00:59:47,146
Speaker 4: be doing these things. So and she goes I was

1266
00:59:47,146 --> 00:59:47,826
Speaker 4: waiting for the call.

1267
00:59:49,826 --> 00:59:50,026
Speaker 1: Shot.

1268
00:59:51,066 --> 00:59:54,386
Speaker 4: I gave it a shot, and I went to change

1269
00:59:54,426 --> 00:59:57,546
Speaker 4: it to education. And knowing that, you know, I'll get

1270
00:59:57,546 --> 01:00:00,146
Speaker 4: my education degree and try to land on as a

1271
01:00:00,306 --> 01:00:03,026
Speaker 4: grad assistant somewhere. I guess when I, you know, got

1272
01:00:03,026 --> 01:00:05,386
Speaker 4: out and never even g eight and I got right

1273
01:00:05,426 --> 01:00:08,266
Speaker 4: to Division two squad. I hadn't even graduated yet, and

1274
01:00:08,266 --> 01:00:10,706
Speaker 4: I got offered a job at a Division two school

1275
01:00:10,746 --> 01:00:14,826
Speaker 4: and a little place in Indiana and that it's called

1276
01:00:14,866 --> 01:00:17,506
Speaker 4: Saint Joseph's College. Don't look it off because it doesn't

1277
01:00:17,506 --> 01:00:18,066
Speaker 4: even exist.

1278
01:00:18,106 --> 01:00:19,586
Speaker 1: And it really shut down for real.

1279
01:00:19,866 --> 01:00:22,426
Speaker 4: It's not just the football program, not this is a

1280
01:00:22,506 --> 01:00:26,266
Speaker 4: costure of Raheem and the whole school just just gone.

1281
01:00:26,466 --> 01:00:29,746
Speaker 4: And unfortunately, I had some someboddies that were still coaching

1282
01:00:29,826 --> 01:00:33,066
Speaker 4: every time, and you know, they all landed on their

1283
01:00:33,066 --> 01:00:35,626
Speaker 4: feet and all that. But so we're there for three years.

1284
01:00:35,666 --> 01:00:37,986
Speaker 4: That was the first three years. And I don't want

1285
01:00:37,986 --> 01:00:40,586
Speaker 4: to say the most fun three years, but it was

1286
01:00:41,066 --> 01:00:41,666
Speaker 4: really fun.

1287
01:00:41,946 --> 01:00:42,226
Speaker 2: Isn't that?

1288
01:00:42,386 --> 01:00:44,906
Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? You say it's fun, you're making no money.

1289
01:00:45,026 --> 01:00:48,586
Speaker 1: I mean, you're working there, and it's like Saint Joseph's College,

1290
01:00:48,626 --> 01:00:50,946
Speaker 1: and yet here you are, you were the offensive coordinator

1291
01:00:50,986 --> 01:00:52,906
Speaker 1: of the New York Jets and the Los Angeles Rans.

1292
01:00:52,946 --> 01:00:55,706
Speaker 1: We're like, that's my pure joy was just coaching football,

1293
01:00:55,826 --> 01:00:57,066
Speaker 1: you know it was.

1294
01:00:57,986 --> 01:01:02,026
Speaker 4: And still have incredible relationships with a lot of those guys.

1295
01:01:02,146 --> 01:01:05,746
Speaker 4: You know, still text with them, you know all the time.

1296
01:01:05,906 --> 01:01:07,226
Speaker 4: You get a lot of text of those guys on

1297
01:01:07,266 --> 01:01:09,906
Speaker 4: Sundays and stuff like that. One of the guys we

1298
01:01:10,026 --> 01:01:12,826
Speaker 4: that that's currently on the New York Jets staff, Billy

1299
01:01:12,866 --> 01:01:16,066
Speaker 4: vander Murky's QC there. He's just needs an opportunity to

1300
01:01:16,066 --> 01:01:18,186
Speaker 4: get a position job because he'll kill it. He was.

1301
01:01:18,466 --> 01:01:21,466
Speaker 4: He was our quarterback there at Saint Joe and he'll

1302
01:01:21,466 --> 01:01:24,426
Speaker 4: he'll tell you threw ten touchdowns in the game. I

1303
01:01:24,466 --> 01:01:27,226
Speaker 4: think it's I think it's still a D two retired

1304
01:01:27,266 --> 01:01:29,466
Speaker 4: the record that, yeah, it was. It was pretty And

1305
01:01:29,666 --> 01:01:31,546
Speaker 4: the funny part about it was, I won't go too far,

1306
01:01:31,586 --> 01:01:35,066
Speaker 4: but he, uh, the week before he didn't play very well,

1307
01:01:35,066 --> 01:01:36,826
Speaker 4: and I was, in my mind, I was right a bench.

1308
01:01:36,946 --> 01:01:38,986
Speaker 1: It was done. Philly. It's happened.

1309
01:01:38,986 --> 01:01:40,826
Speaker 4: He was done. He had he had this one last

1310
01:01:40,866 --> 01:01:43,066
Speaker 4: op and he made the most of that up.

1311
01:01:43,586 --> 01:01:46,266
Speaker 1: I love that all right, and then your first NFL

1312
01:01:46,346 --> 01:01:51,426
Speaker 1: gig was where the Browns in fourteen? Who gave you

1313
01:01:51,466 --> 01:01:53,466
Speaker 1: that call? Kyle gave you that call? Or it was

1314
01:01:53,586 --> 01:01:56,066
Speaker 1: from from who Mike Petton had it all work together

1315
01:01:56,066 --> 01:01:57,186
Speaker 1: when he ended up in Cleveland.

1316
01:01:57,866 --> 01:02:00,266
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was my brother calling me. I was down

1317
01:02:00,306 --> 01:02:04,346
Speaker 4: at Davidson and we were just we just finished signing dates,

1318
01:02:04,346 --> 01:02:06,346
Speaker 4: so you're like you could kind of breathe, you know,

1319
01:02:07,146 --> 01:02:09,946
Speaker 4: and we were kind of just Loren and I were

1320
01:02:09,946 --> 01:02:12,586
Speaker 4: just kind of planning our next couple of months, like,

1321
01:02:12,626 --> 01:02:15,266
Speaker 4: all right, we know our weekends are somewhat free, there's

1322
01:02:15,266 --> 01:02:18,786
Speaker 4: no more recruiting and stuff like that. And then I

1323
01:02:18,786 --> 01:02:20,666
Speaker 4: got a call it like ten o'clock on a Sunday night,

1324
01:02:20,746 --> 01:02:23,546
Speaker 4: saying that I was going to Cleveland. I didn't really

1325
01:02:23,706 --> 01:02:27,066
Speaker 4: had no choice to go to You're going to Cleveland,

1326
01:02:27,586 --> 01:02:29,666
Speaker 4: I thought, I go, and I thought Matt was talking

1327
01:02:29,666 --> 01:02:32,266
Speaker 4: about himself. I go, So I thought you were going

1328
01:02:32,266 --> 01:02:34,226
Speaker 4: to Notre Dame. He goes, No, You're going to Cleveland,

1329
01:02:34,226 --> 01:02:36,626
Speaker 4: I said, when he goes tomorrow morning. So I packed

1330
01:02:36,706 --> 01:02:40,666
Speaker 4: up my stuff trove from Charlotte to Cleveland and that

1331
01:02:40,786 --> 01:02:42,626
Speaker 4: was that. And then saw Kyle in the office and

1332
01:02:42,706 --> 01:02:43,746
Speaker 4: there we were and that.

1333
01:02:43,786 --> 01:02:46,106
Speaker 1: Was it, and that's it's so crazy. So you go

1334
01:02:46,226 --> 01:02:49,106
Speaker 1: up there to Cleveland, it's that wild year where Kyle

1335
01:02:49,266 --> 01:02:51,986
Speaker 1: was there, and it's Johnny Manzel at quarterback and it's

1336
01:02:51,986 --> 01:02:54,666
Speaker 1: Brian hohere I want to say, was the other qb? Right,

1337
01:02:55,146 --> 01:02:57,626
Speaker 1: you guys start off like six and three, it's the

1338
01:02:57,666 --> 01:02:59,266
Speaker 1: talk of the town and then it goes kind of

1339
01:02:59,266 --> 01:03:02,786
Speaker 1: off the rails. But an opportunity to get in there

1340
01:03:03,066 --> 01:03:04,826
Speaker 1: at that junior level, What would be your advice to

1341
01:03:04,866 --> 01:03:07,426
Speaker 1: somebody who's starting off an entry level job in the

1342
01:03:07,546 --> 01:03:09,506
Speaker 1: NFL as far as like soaking it all in And

1343
01:03:09,706 --> 01:03:12,306
Speaker 1: you were coming from Davidson, which wasn't exactly Notre Dame

1344
01:03:12,426 --> 01:03:14,906
Speaker 1: Ohio State, but you'd had some coaching experience. A lot

1345
01:03:14,946 --> 01:03:17,506
Speaker 1: of these young men and women come in straight off,

1346
01:03:17,586 --> 01:03:20,066
Speaker 1: you know, not having any experience at the college game.

1347
01:03:20,186 --> 01:03:21,826
Speaker 1: What would be our advice to them kind of getting

1348
01:03:21,826 --> 01:03:22,706
Speaker 1: in the NFL building.

1349
01:03:23,506 --> 01:03:25,866
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously, be who you are, Be true

1350
01:03:25,866 --> 01:03:29,666
Speaker 4: to yourself, don't you know. You got to do your

1351
01:03:29,746 --> 01:03:32,026
Speaker 4: job at the best of your ability. All cliche stuff,

1352
01:03:32,066 --> 01:03:35,466
Speaker 4: no doubt, you know. But the other thing is like

1353
01:03:35,586 --> 01:03:38,266
Speaker 4: kind of know your role too, Like keep your mouth

1354
01:03:38,306 --> 01:03:40,546
Speaker 4: shut a little bit too, when you know, like it's

1355
01:03:41,266 --> 01:03:44,386
Speaker 4: you all got great ideas. I'm sure kai annoyed Kyle

1356
01:03:44,546 --> 01:03:46,546
Speaker 4: talking too much about what we were doing in college.

1357
01:03:46,586 --> 01:03:48,146
Speaker 1: Would you would you be that way? Would you be like, hey,

1358
01:03:48,146 --> 01:03:49,506
Speaker 1: look what we did at Davidson, Let me show you

1359
01:03:49,546 --> 01:03:50,066
Speaker 1: this pot.

1360
01:03:50,226 --> 01:03:53,226
Speaker 4: No. No, I probably did one or two times, and

1361
01:03:53,306 --> 01:03:55,706
Speaker 4: he probably looks back at that. But I don't know.

1362
01:03:55,786 --> 01:03:58,986
Speaker 4: But you know, it's it is. It's hard to get

1363
01:03:58,986 --> 01:04:00,906
Speaker 4: your foot in the door, no doubt, you know. And

1364
01:04:01,186 --> 01:04:03,346
Speaker 4: when you do, you just obviously, like you do anything

1365
01:04:03,346 --> 01:04:05,106
Speaker 4: else in life, you go attack it and you be

1366
01:04:05,146 --> 01:04:06,946
Speaker 4: the best you can be, and you know, stay in

1367
01:04:06,986 --> 01:04:09,866
Speaker 4: your lane and went afficable and then go from there.

1368
01:04:10,106 --> 01:04:12,986
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna wrap, but before we do, I

1369
01:04:13,026 --> 01:04:14,986
Speaker 1: just want to thank you. I think you're an awesome

1370
01:04:15,026 --> 01:04:17,386
Speaker 1: coach in your own right. And then now you've got this,

1371
01:04:17,386 --> 01:04:19,866
Speaker 1: this opportunity to go watch your brother play, Kyle. I

1372
01:04:19,906 --> 01:04:23,946
Speaker 1: think they've faced in the playoffs three times so far, right,

1373
01:04:24,026 --> 01:04:28,986
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys beat them twice back to back years,

1374
01:04:29,106 --> 01:04:33,906
Speaker 1: and then they went up to Lambeau and beat the Niners,

1375
01:04:33,906 --> 01:04:36,506
Speaker 1: beat the Packers. So this is one of those games.

1376
01:04:36,186 --> 01:04:38,466
Speaker 4: Where this is this this will be the third because

1377
01:04:38,466 --> 01:04:41,786
Speaker 4: we beat him twice in nineteen in the regular season.

1378
01:04:41,586 --> 01:04:43,786
Speaker 1: Then then beat him in the playoffs.

1379
01:04:43,306 --> 01:04:46,826
Speaker 4: And then and then in twenty one, after the first

1380
01:04:46,906 --> 01:04:50,106
Speaker 4: year in the Jets, we ended up going out to

1381
01:04:50,146 --> 01:04:51,746
Speaker 4: Lambeau and that was that was Nike.

1382
01:04:52,066 --> 01:04:55,306
Speaker 1: That's why Kyle, Kyle has Trent Williams running in motion

1383
01:04:55,706 --> 01:04:58,666
Speaker 1: like he's a wide receiver and they beat they beat

1384
01:04:58,666 --> 01:05:01,026
Speaker 1: the Packers. As you look at this one, this is

1385
01:05:01,186 --> 01:05:04,386
Speaker 1: the first time where Matt's the big underdog and it's

1386
01:05:04,506 --> 01:05:06,426
Speaker 1: it's always been that. It's always been Rogers coming in

1387
01:05:06,426 --> 01:05:10,786
Speaker 1: and you look at this game, like your brother, you

1388
01:05:10,786 --> 01:05:12,986
Speaker 1: gotta be so proud of what he's done with this group.

1389
01:05:13,106 --> 01:05:15,586
Speaker 1: As you know, they've won fourteen games and regular seasons

1390
01:05:15,626 --> 01:05:17,946
Speaker 1: and he's been awesome and won all these games. But like,

1391
01:05:17,986 --> 01:05:20,026
Speaker 1: this has been a really cool season for your older brother.

1392
01:05:21,266 --> 01:05:23,826
Speaker 4: It's been it's been really fun. It's uh, and I

1393
01:05:23,866 --> 01:05:27,666
Speaker 4: know he is. I don't know if he's having the

1394
01:05:27,666 --> 01:05:30,866
Speaker 4: most fun he's ever had, but it sure seems like he's,

1395
01:05:30,946 --> 01:05:33,426
Speaker 4: you know, just absolutely loving going into work every day

1396
01:05:33,426 --> 01:05:36,746
Speaker 4: with these guys, these coaches, and like we were saying,

1397
01:05:36,786 --> 01:05:38,946
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a lot of guys stuffing up. They

1398
01:05:38,946 --> 01:05:41,346
Speaker 4: don't even know any better, right, I mean, these all

1399
01:05:41,386 --> 01:05:43,466
Speaker 4: these guys that haven't played in these big games, they're

1400
01:05:43,506 --> 01:05:45,786
Speaker 4: just out doing their thing right now. And what a

1401
01:05:45,826 --> 01:05:48,146
Speaker 4: credit to these players. And again, what what Jordan's done.

1402
01:05:48,786 --> 01:05:51,306
Speaker 4: It's it's been really fun to watch from afar.

1403
01:05:51,946 --> 01:05:54,626
Speaker 1: Is there a vacation after the season where the families

1404
01:05:54,666 --> 01:05:57,506
Speaker 1: get together and maybe you invite Sala, maybe you invite Kyle,

1405
01:05:57,546 --> 01:06:00,226
Speaker 1: maybe Sean mcveaghat's an invite this year? Like what's the

1406
01:06:00,346 --> 01:06:03,426
Speaker 1: hang session in the downtime and who is the crew?

1407
01:06:04,786 --> 01:06:07,946
Speaker 4: Yeah? It's uh, last year, you know, last year was

1408
01:06:07,946 --> 01:06:11,666
Speaker 4: wild with everything going on, but ended up we had

1409
01:06:11,666 --> 01:06:13,666
Speaker 4: a really fun one. We had to the Bahamas with

1410
01:06:14,026 --> 01:06:16,746
Speaker 4: Raheem and Nikki kids who are who are the same

1411
01:06:16,786 --> 01:06:19,426
Speaker 4: age as uh, you know, my kids. And then obviously

1412
01:06:19,466 --> 01:06:21,306
Speaker 4: Matt and Breather two kids were down there, so we

1413
01:06:21,586 --> 01:06:24,906
Speaker 4: ended up doing that. That was awesome. We always kind

1414
01:06:24,946 --> 01:06:27,026
Speaker 4: of get together, Sean, Sean's gonna have a little.

1415
01:06:26,866 --> 01:06:29,826
Speaker 1: Bit of different, Yeah, a little in the mix.

1416
01:06:30,546 --> 01:06:32,626
Speaker 4: I said, get used to get used to your house, buddy,

1417
01:06:32,626 --> 01:06:34,346
Speaker 4: because you're not gonna be leaving there as much, you know.

1418
01:06:34,546 --> 01:06:37,466
Speaker 1: Funny McVeigh and Veronica used to go to Cabo right

1419
01:06:37,506 --> 01:06:39,706
Speaker 1: after this season and they would go to like the

1420
01:06:39,706 --> 01:06:42,226
Speaker 1: the mal Dives, or they'd go to the French riviera.

1421
01:06:42,226 --> 01:06:45,586
Speaker 1: I'm like, you've got a five month old, nobody enjoy

1422
01:06:45,826 --> 01:06:47,786
Speaker 1: Enjoy being at home my friend, and go go find

1423
01:06:47,826 --> 01:06:48,626
Speaker 1: to me on Netflix.

1424
01:06:49,226 --> 01:06:51,426
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be more like Santa Barbara Trips,

1425
01:06:51,426 --> 01:06:54,786
Speaker 4: which again love that, but let's not act like this

1426
01:06:54,826 --> 01:06:56,826
Speaker 4: is a you know, this is a pretty cool place

1427
01:06:56,866 --> 01:07:00,466
Speaker 4: down here. So yeah, we'll end up getting somewhere, you

1428
01:07:00,466 --> 01:07:04,066
Speaker 4: know right now, it's we'll get there next week, and

1429
01:07:04,626 --> 01:07:07,506
Speaker 4: you know, at least it's so it's up at Levi's

1430
01:07:07,626 --> 01:07:09,826
Speaker 4: post Lamba as much as Matt would probably rather have

1431
01:07:09,906 --> 01:07:12,866
Speaker 4: it at Lambeau. Yeah, I'm happier it's up there.

1432
01:07:13,066 --> 01:07:15,946
Speaker 1: Hear you, Michael Floor. This was awesome. We're gonna have

1433
01:07:15,986 --> 01:07:17,946
Speaker 1: you on again in the offseason. We'll do a deeper dive.

1434
01:07:17,986 --> 01:07:20,506
Speaker 1: We'll go through everything. But I love that you would

1435
01:07:20,506 --> 01:07:23,106
Speaker 1: hop on, especially a couple of days remove from what

1436
01:07:23,226 --> 01:07:26,626
Speaker 1: was a a heartbreaking loss. But be like, dude, an

1437
01:07:26,666 --> 01:07:29,266
Speaker 1: awesome football game, and I know it's the wounds are fresh,

1438
01:07:29,306 --> 01:07:30,866
Speaker 1: but I think you'll be able to appreciate that in

1439
01:07:30,906 --> 01:07:31,586
Speaker 1: the months that come.

1440
01:07:32,346 --> 01:07:35,306
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. And it should

1441
01:07:35,306 --> 01:07:36,706
Speaker 4: be a fun weekend of games. Huh.

1442
01:07:36,786 --> 01:07:40,546
Speaker 1: All right, Lafloor Verus Shanahan Part four? Is that what

1443
01:07:40,586 --> 01:07:42,746
Speaker 1: we agreed on? Or three or something like that.

1444
01:07:42,826 --> 01:07:45,026
Speaker 4: I don't know four or five. We had a COVID

1445
01:07:45,066 --> 01:07:47,786
Speaker 4: game too, but it was everyone's just kind of yeah,

1446
01:07:47,786 --> 01:07:48,226
Speaker 4: I forget it.

1447
01:07:48,226 --> 01:07:50,426
Speaker 1: Was a Thursday night COVID game. I remember that one.

1448
01:07:50,506 --> 01:07:53,026
Speaker 1: That was it. That was all right, Mike. I appreciate you, bro,

1449
01:07:53,186 --> 01:07:54,666
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining the podcast.

1450
01:07:55,346 --> 01:07:56,506
Speaker 4: Thanks Peter, appreciate you man.

1451
01:08:03,386 --> 01:08:04,586
Speaker 1: Aaron, what do you think of Michael Floor.

1452
01:08:07,146 --> 01:08:13,826
Speaker 2: I love getting coaches that like can talk about the interescase.

1453
01:08:13,866 --> 01:08:16,026
Speaker 2: I mean, all the coaches clearly can talk about a

1454
01:08:16,066 --> 01:08:18,946
Speaker 2: play or a player, but hearing him talk Stafford was

1455
01:08:18,986 --> 01:08:22,466
Speaker 2: so cool. Like the story was Puka this year, the

1456
01:08:22,506 --> 01:08:27,346
Speaker 2: story was Kiren, and for him to just so be

1457
01:08:27,506 --> 01:08:29,826
Speaker 2: so on board with Stafford and like talk about how

1458
01:08:29,946 --> 01:08:30,586
Speaker 2: tough he is.

1459
01:08:30,666 --> 01:08:31,266
Speaker 1: I love that.

1460
01:08:31,706 --> 01:08:34,466
Speaker 2: I love hearing good stuff about, like, you know, when

1461
01:08:34,506 --> 01:08:36,266
Speaker 2: a coach is just all on board with the player.

1462
01:08:36,506 --> 01:08:37,986
Speaker 2: I think I've said that plenty of times on the

1463
01:08:38,026 --> 01:08:38,426
Speaker 2: show too.

1464
01:08:38,466 --> 01:08:40,666
Speaker 1: But no, I love that, and I love your appreciation

1465
01:08:40,746 --> 01:08:42,706
Speaker 1: of it. I think you're really good when you listen

1466
01:08:42,746 --> 01:08:44,066
Speaker 1: to these guys, you come right out of it and

1467
01:08:44,106 --> 01:08:45,746
Speaker 1: you have like the right takeaway. I think the Stafford

1468
01:08:45,746 --> 01:08:51,026
Speaker 1: thing was huge. I also the twenty nineteen forty nine

1469
01:08:51,106 --> 01:08:53,426
Speaker 1: ers staff. In my head, I'm like, oh, he's coach

1470
01:08:53,466 --> 01:08:54,706
Speaker 1: all these guys I thought would be a good one.

1471
01:08:54,746 --> 01:08:56,906
Speaker 1: But what I found really interesting is like, yeah, well,

1472
01:08:57,306 --> 01:08:59,546
Speaker 1: a year earlier, we all coach in the Senior Bowl, which,

1473
01:08:59,626 --> 01:09:01,746
Speaker 1: if you're not aware, he is usually reserved for the

1474
01:09:01,786 --> 01:09:04,586
Speaker 1: first or second worst team in the NFL. So those

1475
01:09:04,586 --> 01:09:07,826
Speaker 1: same guys, those same young coaches were coaching as the

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01:09:07,866 --> 01:09:11,386
Speaker 1: thirty first and thirty second teams in the league. They

1477
01:09:11,426 --> 01:09:13,466
Speaker 1: were the same ones that we're looking at now, Like, Wow,

1478
01:09:13,666 --> 01:09:16,026
Speaker 1: what a coaching staff. And to repeat what he said,

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01:09:16,506 --> 01:09:18,946
Speaker 1: it's him Chris Casarah, who he kind of mentioned as

1480
01:09:19,026 --> 01:09:21,026
Speaker 1: just like a given. You might not know his name.

1481
01:09:21,266 --> 01:09:23,666
Speaker 1: He's a defensive line coach for the forty nine ers.

1482
01:09:23,706 --> 01:09:25,746
Speaker 1: Think about their defensive line over the years with Bosa

1483
01:09:25,746 --> 01:09:28,386
Speaker 1: and Ormstead and Buckner for years, and now it's Hargrave

1484
01:09:28,466 --> 01:09:30,706
Speaker 1: and and of course you've got Chase Young. Like they're

1485
01:09:30,706 --> 01:09:33,826
Speaker 1: always the most dominant. He's their defensive line coach. Then

1486
01:09:34,226 --> 01:09:36,706
Speaker 1: in that same room with Bobby Slowick, who started off

1487
01:09:36,706 --> 01:09:38,146
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball, they went to

1488
01:09:38,186 --> 01:09:41,066
Speaker 1: officer the Bobby's now the offensive Cornerata Houston probably gonna

1489
01:09:41,066 --> 01:09:45,626
Speaker 1: get a head coaching job this year. Mike McDaniel, Demko Ryans,

1490
01:09:45,866 --> 01:09:48,066
Speaker 1: Robert Sala. I want to say Wes Welker was on

1491
01:09:48,106 --> 01:09:52,746
Speaker 1: that staff, John Embry, who's now doing big things with

1492
01:09:52,946 --> 01:09:56,786
Speaker 1: McDaniel down in Miami. Like they have a loaded coaching

1493
01:09:56,786 --> 01:10:00,466
Speaker 1: staff from that twenty nineteen San Francisco forty nine ers team,

1494
01:10:00,506 --> 01:10:02,786
Speaker 1: and they've all been placing different places and are all

1495
01:10:02,786 --> 01:10:05,426
Speaker 1: succeeding elsewhere. I love that coaching tree stuff in there,

1496
01:10:05,506 --> 01:10:09,466
Speaker 1: with that graphic of the twenty thirteen Washington Redskins coaching staff,

1497
01:10:09,466 --> 01:10:14,706
Speaker 1: which was McDaniel and lafleur and McVeigh and Chanance almost dated.

1498
01:10:14,826 --> 01:10:16,506
Speaker 1: You almost have to update it with this one. That's

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01:10:16,506 --> 01:10:17,346
Speaker 1: the new version of it.

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Speaker 2: And I also love, I mean, along those lines with

1501
01:10:21,546 --> 01:10:25,026
Speaker 2: like them doing this the Senior Bowl. I like to

1502
01:10:25,066 --> 01:10:28,986
Speaker 2: hear when coaches or players or gms whatever have had

1503
01:10:29,026 --> 01:10:32,266
Speaker 2: a rough year or a rough two years and then

1504
01:10:32,466 --> 01:10:35,826
Speaker 2: go on and the immediately the next year succeed and

1505
01:10:35,906 --> 01:10:38,066
Speaker 2: so that was just like that's a cool thing too,

1506
01:10:38,106 --> 01:10:39,906
Speaker 2: Like you didn't you guys talked about it like he

1507
01:10:39,986 --> 01:10:41,946
Speaker 2: was in New York and then he wasn't all right.

1508
01:10:42,026 --> 01:10:44,226
Speaker 1: So, if we want to be candid, he got fired

1509
01:10:44,226 --> 01:10:47,106
Speaker 1: in New York and kind of was the scapegoat, like

1510
01:10:47,346 --> 01:10:49,266
Speaker 1: and sala Is one of his best friends, and the

1511
01:10:49,306 --> 01:10:51,386
Speaker 1: whole thing was really awkward. And then it almost was

1512
01:10:51,426 --> 01:10:53,546
Speaker 1: seamless because they brought in Rogers, who then brought in

1513
01:10:53,586 --> 01:10:55,866
Speaker 1: his own guy, and it's like, well, Mike, you know,

1514
01:10:56,106 --> 01:10:58,426
Speaker 1: it's better off with Sean McVeigh anyway, But like, it

1515
01:10:58,506 --> 01:11:00,266
Speaker 1: sucks to get fired, and we didn't hit on it.

1516
01:11:00,266 --> 01:11:01,586
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have hit on it. I was I

1517
01:11:01,586 --> 01:11:03,786
Speaker 1: don't think the conversation was going that place, but like

1518
01:11:04,506 --> 01:11:08,106
Speaker 1: that's the dark side of coaching. Yeah, the Jets offense

1519
01:11:08,186 --> 01:11:10,506
Speaker 1: wasn't great last two years. He also had a rookie

1520
01:11:10,586 --> 01:11:13,106
Speaker 1: quarterback in Zach Wilson and then a second year quarterback

1521
01:11:13,146 --> 01:11:16,466
Speaker 1: in Zach Wilson, who I think we see Zach Wilson now.

1522
01:11:16,506 --> 01:11:18,466
Speaker 1: I don't think he's necessarily going to be a starter

1523
01:11:18,546 --> 01:11:20,946
Speaker 1: anywhere in the league next year. So a lot of

1524
01:11:20,946 --> 01:11:22,626
Speaker 1: things could be said about his time in New York,

1525
01:11:22,666 --> 01:11:26,586
Speaker 1: but all right, McVeigh said, I believe everyone who's coached

1526
01:11:26,626 --> 01:11:28,546
Speaker 1: with you thinks you're the guy. And I think their

1527
01:11:28,546 --> 01:11:31,386
Speaker 1: offense was awesome this year, and he's being humble, but

1528
01:11:31,666 --> 01:11:34,506
Speaker 1: Michael Floora is very responsible for what that offense was.

1529
01:11:34,706 --> 01:11:37,026
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Puka Nakua has the greatest

1530
01:11:37,066 --> 01:11:39,666
Speaker 1: rookie wide receiver season ever if the offensive coordinator isn't

1531
01:11:39,666 --> 01:11:41,946
Speaker 1: dialing it up and giving him the confidence to be

1532
01:11:42,026 --> 01:11:42,586
Speaker 1: that guy.

1533
01:11:43,226 --> 01:11:46,586
Speaker 2: And him saying, you know, I think you asked, you know,

1534
01:11:46,666 --> 01:11:48,626
Speaker 2: like was it the intention to get pook at twenty

1535
01:11:48,626 --> 01:11:51,266
Speaker 2: targets in Week two kind of thing? And it was like, no,

1536
01:11:51,346 --> 01:11:53,466
Speaker 2: you know, if we're we're doing everything right, we're not

1537
01:11:53,546 --> 01:11:56,386
Speaker 2: forcing it to anybody, but great players are going to

1538
01:11:56,426 --> 01:11:58,386
Speaker 2: get the ball and we're gonna make and you just

1539
01:11:58,586 --> 01:12:00,826
Speaker 2: rattled off like we're gonna get to to the ball,

1540
01:12:01,026 --> 01:12:03,146
Speaker 2: We're gonna get Kayra into the ball, and like he

1541
01:12:04,506 --> 01:12:06,666
Speaker 2: these were weapons that they had last other than Pooka,

1542
01:12:06,826 --> 01:12:08,546
Speaker 2: and I guess Kyrien because he was injured last year.

1543
01:12:08,586 --> 01:12:10,786
Speaker 2: These were weapons that were already on the team last year.

1544
01:12:11,146 --> 01:12:13,906
Speaker 2: And we're not making huge waves and then he comes

1545
01:12:13,906 --> 01:12:16,346
Speaker 2: in and now all of a sudden, the Rams offense

1546
01:12:16,506 --> 01:12:19,226
Speaker 2: was were world beaters on a down year?

1547
01:12:19,586 --> 01:12:23,546
Speaker 1: A cup too? Like that was yeah, yeah, yeah, that

1548
01:12:23,706 --> 01:12:26,866
Speaker 1: was awesome. All right, I'm gonna quickly, right, is there

1549
01:12:26,866 --> 01:12:29,386
Speaker 1: anything else NFL wise as we head towards an awesome

1550
01:12:29,426 --> 01:12:31,146
Speaker 1: divisional round week? You want to hit like, I'm trying

1551
01:12:31,146 --> 01:12:32,706
Speaker 1: to think if there's anything. We start off in the

1552
01:12:33,106 --> 01:12:35,946
Speaker 1: monologue and I don't know. I just this is my

1553
01:12:35,986 --> 01:12:38,426
Speaker 1: real favorite weekend. I could smile and talk about it

1554
01:12:38,426 --> 01:12:40,386
Speaker 1: on Good Morning Football. How much I love Wildcar Weekend?

1555
01:12:40,426 --> 01:12:43,146
Speaker 1: I do, But this is where the big dogs come out,

1556
01:12:43,146 --> 01:12:44,706
Speaker 1: those one seeds come out, and it's almost like the

1557
01:12:44,746 --> 01:12:48,066
Speaker 1: royal rumbo, where all right, who's next into the ring? Oh?

1558
01:12:48,186 --> 01:12:50,146
Speaker 1: Those guys are still around, the Niners and the Ravens,

1559
01:12:50,186 --> 01:12:52,466
Speaker 1: who are by far the two best teams all all

1560
01:12:52,466 --> 01:12:56,066
Speaker 1: season long. They're gonna be hosting playoff games against the

1561
01:12:56,106 --> 01:13:00,786
Speaker 1: Packers and the Texans, respectively. I might go to Baltimore

1562
01:13:01,306 --> 01:13:03,826
Speaker 1: and this is like, who cares? But I wouldn't be working.

1563
01:13:04,546 --> 01:13:07,386
Speaker 1: I'd be going I don't have the Fox pregame show

1564
01:13:07,466 --> 01:13:09,906
Speaker 1: this weekend, and I Baltimore is a train ride away,

1565
01:13:10,026 --> 01:13:11,626
Speaker 1: and as sick as I am, I kind of want

1566
01:13:11,666 --> 01:13:14,626
Speaker 1: to see the Ravens in person, either this week or

1567
01:13:14,666 --> 01:13:16,866
Speaker 1: if they win, maybe the AFC Championship game if I'm

1568
01:13:16,866 --> 01:13:19,346
Speaker 1: not working for Fox that week, because I want to

1569
01:13:19,386 --> 01:13:21,266
Speaker 1: take my son to see Lamar in person. It's his

1570
01:13:21,266 --> 01:13:23,946
Speaker 1: favorite player. So I might. I might be in the building.

1571
01:13:23,946 --> 01:13:25,306
Speaker 1: It might be too cold. I might just watch it

1572
01:13:25,346 --> 01:13:27,026
Speaker 1: on my couch, which is fine.

1573
01:13:27,426 --> 01:13:29,866
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of too cold, I mean, we had a

1574
01:13:30,346 --> 01:13:34,066
Speaker 2: snow game in Buffalo yesterday. We're gonna have another snow

1575
01:13:34,106 --> 01:13:35,666
Speaker 2: game probably this weekend.

1576
01:13:35,666 --> 01:13:35,906
Speaker 4: There.

1577
01:13:36,626 --> 01:13:38,546
Speaker 2: Shout out to my uncle who was in the stands

1578
01:13:38,586 --> 01:13:42,226
Speaker 2: wearing an electric heated jacket to stay warm for the

1579
01:13:42,266 --> 01:13:42,666
Speaker 2: whole thing.

1580
01:13:42,706 --> 01:13:43,826
Speaker 1: What's your uncle's name.

1581
01:13:43,746 --> 01:13:47,546
Speaker 2: Neil, Neil, Neil Kaufman. And he was, you know, we

1582
01:13:47,546 --> 01:13:49,506
Speaker 2: we when I was up in Maine with my dad,

1583
01:13:49,546 --> 01:13:51,746
Speaker 2: we facetimed with him after a couple of the games,

1584
01:13:51,786 --> 01:13:54,226
Speaker 2: and he was there last night, and uh, you know,

1585
01:13:54,266 --> 01:13:56,226
Speaker 2: we don't we don't have to talk about the Bills game.

1586
01:13:56,946 --> 01:13:59,826
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm very excited they did. They did really well.

1587
01:14:00,186 --> 01:14:04,586
Speaker 2: Love seeing that Shakir touchdown and playing. Well, oh that's great.

1588
01:14:04,786 --> 01:14:07,346
Speaker 1: They're injured though, Yeah, every week.

1589
01:14:07,386 --> 01:14:09,186
Speaker 2: You could say that, so you know, I know nothing.

1590
01:14:10,546 --> 01:14:13,666
Speaker 1: Shout out to Neil, shout out to the fact that

1591
01:14:13,786 --> 01:14:15,546
Speaker 1: game is in Buffalo. I can't wait to watch that

1592
01:14:15,586 --> 01:14:17,746
Speaker 1: one that's on Sunday night, Aaron, would you go to

1593
01:14:17,786 --> 01:14:20,146
Speaker 1: that Sunday night in Buffalo? Would that be interest to you?

1594
01:14:20,266 --> 01:14:22,586
Speaker 1: Or no? If I went to Saturday in Baltimore, would

1595
01:14:22,586 --> 01:14:25,026
Speaker 1: you go to Sunday in Buffalo? Sure?

1596
01:14:25,146 --> 01:14:30,306
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I'm not would of course, yeah, of

1597
01:14:30,346 --> 01:14:33,346
Speaker 2: course I wouldn't. I I mean, other than like having

1598
01:14:33,346 --> 01:14:36,706
Speaker 2: to get there. Yeah, that's the only thing, right, Maybe

1599
01:14:36,706 --> 01:14:39,586
Speaker 2: we make that happen. I you know, I have not

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01:14:39,746 --> 01:14:41,506
Speaker 2: been to a Bills game.

1601
01:14:41,626 --> 01:14:43,186
Speaker 1: Since what do you need for me? I need?

1602
01:14:43,186 --> 01:14:43,266
Speaker 4: What?

1603
01:14:43,386 --> 01:14:44,866
Speaker 1: Like, you need me to help you with a credential

1604
01:14:44,866 --> 01:14:46,346
Speaker 1: and then you need me to buy a flight in

1605
01:14:46,786 --> 01:14:48,186
Speaker 1: Like what do we need the NFL to do here?

1606
01:14:48,226 --> 01:14:50,986
Speaker 1: Because I think that would be great first person experience.

1607
01:14:50,586 --> 01:14:53,106
Speaker 2: I think I need. I would also probably need de

1608
01:14:53,186 --> 01:14:57,106
Speaker 2: Vito's agents walk in closet. I want a room full

1609
01:14:57,146 --> 01:14:57,626
Speaker 2: of suits.

1610
01:14:57,746 --> 01:15:01,226
Speaker 1: By the way, top that off topic. If the Melafan

1611
01:15:01,306 --> 01:15:03,466
Speaker 1: Wu is one of these defensive backs of the Lions

1612
01:15:03,466 --> 01:15:07,146
Speaker 1: making plays all over the place, his agent is on Stillado,

1613
01:15:07,466 --> 01:15:10,026
Speaker 1: Stellato posted a photo of himself in like a royal

1614
01:15:10,066 --> 01:15:14,266
Speaker 1: blue suit, all lions down. He's still doing it, you know.

1615
01:15:14,546 --> 01:15:17,506
Speaker 1: F the haters, Stellato's now forget DeVito. He's on too.

1616
01:15:17,546 --> 01:15:20,386
Speaker 1: I female fon wou And by the way, as we

1617
01:15:20,466 --> 01:15:23,706
Speaker 1: all celebrated, you know Tommy DeVito's mature decision to move

1618
01:15:23,746 --> 01:15:26,386
Speaker 1: on to a different marketing agent. I don't exactly see

1619
01:15:26,426 --> 01:15:28,546
Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito at the met gala. By the way, I

1620
01:15:28,586 --> 01:15:30,586
Speaker 1: think I think the Vito did a did a fine

1621
01:15:30,666 --> 01:15:34,106
Speaker 1: job with marketing with Seawan Stillato, they got some things done. Yeah.

1622
01:15:34,106 --> 01:15:36,786
Speaker 2: You know, that was a great moment in a season

1623
01:15:36,826 --> 01:15:39,866
Speaker 2: that's had a ton of really good quarterback moments. And

1624
01:15:40,226 --> 01:15:42,226
Speaker 2: you know, like you were saying earlier, we now have

1625
01:15:42,706 --> 01:15:44,626
Speaker 2: the CJ. Stroud Jordan Love stories.

1626
01:15:45,866 --> 01:15:48,906
Speaker 1: We move on. Yeah, yeah, we move on. Let's go

1627
01:15:49,026 --> 01:15:52,106
Speaker 1: to the season with Peter Shaker delivering results by Uber Eats.

1628
01:15:52,146 --> 01:15:55,786
Speaker 1: It's time for delivering results presented by Uber Eats. I'm

1629
01:15:55,786 --> 01:15:58,906
Speaker 1: gonna give a player an award for who delivered the

1630
01:15:58,946 --> 01:16:02,066
Speaker 1: most this past week, and I'm gonna give it to

1631
01:16:02,186 --> 01:16:06,026
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. I thought Jordan Love was amazing, absolutely ripped

1632
01:16:06,066 --> 01:16:08,906
Speaker 1: apart the Dallas Cowboys. They were big underdog seven seed,

1633
01:16:08,946 --> 01:16:11,306
Speaker 1: and Love looks like the best quarterback in football right now.

1634
01:16:11,666 --> 01:16:13,786
Speaker 1: He's got a big task ahead going up against San

1635
01:16:13,786 --> 01:16:16,586
Speaker 1: Francisco in their defense this weekend. But after seeing what

1636
01:16:16,666 --> 01:16:18,946
Speaker 1: he did Dallas, I have no doubt that he has

1637
01:16:18,986 --> 01:16:21,026
Speaker 1: what it takes to get it done. They just need

1638
01:16:21,066 --> 01:16:25,186
Speaker 1: to put it all together this weekend. Jordan Love truly

1639
01:16:25,266 --> 01:16:27,506
Speaker 1: awesome story this season. They were two and five at

1640
01:16:27,546 --> 01:16:29,506
Speaker 1: one point, they were three and six at one point,

1641
01:16:29,786 --> 01:16:31,666
Speaker 1: and now they're knocking on the door to the NFC

1642
01:16:31,746 --> 01:16:35,666
Speaker 1: Championship Game. Jordan Love is our winner of the Delivering

1643
01:16:35,706 --> 01:16:39,586
Speaker 1: Results Award presented by Uber Eats. That was Delivering Results

1644
01:16:39,626 --> 01:16:42,106
Speaker 1: presented by Uber Eats. We can get almost almost anything,

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01:16:42,466 --> 01:16:47,986
Speaker 1: the official on the man delivery partner of the NFL Order. Now,

1646
01:16:48,386 --> 01:16:50,426
Speaker 1: all right, everybody, we'll see you next week. By that time,

1647
01:16:50,466 --> 01:16:54,666
Speaker 1: maybe Belichick's coaching the Dallas Cowboys, or the Philadelphia Eagles

1648
01:16:54,746 --> 01:16:58,306
Speaker 1: or Atlanta Falcons. Maybe Jim Harbo's coaching the Chargers, or

1649
01:16:58,346 --> 01:17:01,186
Speaker 1: maybe Pete Carroll's coaching a CFL team. I have no idea.

1650
01:17:01,386 --> 01:17:03,506
Speaker 1: We don't know what it's going to be. Hopefully we'll

1651
01:17:03,506 --> 01:17:04,986
Speaker 1: get some more clarity, but we will be down to

1652
01:17:05,026 --> 01:17:07,826
Speaker 1: our final four and then itampionship weekend. Cannot wait. It's

1653
01:17:07,826 --> 01:17:12,066
Speaker 1: football season on behalf of Aaron Wan Kaufman, Jason English

1654
01:17:12,186 --> 01:17:15,826
Speaker 1: and oh, by the way, real quick, we're going to

1655
01:17:15,906 --> 01:17:18,466
Speaker 1: leave this in to our two producers out on the

1656
01:17:18,466 --> 01:17:21,586
Speaker 1: West Coast. Good guys, Matt Schneider and Jason Kleinman. They

1657
01:17:21,626 --> 01:17:27,546
Speaker 1: are Arizona Wildcat diehards. Sorry about Jedfish. I think the

1658
01:17:27,626 --> 01:17:31,786
Speaker 1: Jedfish to Washington move is not looked wonderfully upon by

1659
01:17:31,826 --> 01:17:33,946
Speaker 1: the Arizona Wildcat fans. I think on Friday, Jed said

1660
01:17:33,946 --> 01:17:35,626
Speaker 1: he's not going anywhere than on Saturday, except that a

1661
01:17:35,626 --> 01:17:37,826
Speaker 1: fifty five million dollar deal to go work for the

1662
01:17:37,906 --> 01:17:40,906
Speaker 1: University of Washington. We take a lot of pride and

1663
01:17:40,946 --> 01:17:42,506
Speaker 1: that we helped put Jed on the map a little

1664
01:17:42,506 --> 01:17:45,066
Speaker 1: bit nationally with his interview in August. He went and

1665
01:17:45,106 --> 01:17:47,706
Speaker 1: had an amazing season and now he's a lot richer

1666
01:17:47,706 --> 01:17:49,546
Speaker 1: than all of us combined and with a lot more

1667
01:17:49,546 --> 01:17:51,626
Speaker 1: successful and hopefully he'll come on the podcast again, but

1668
01:17:51,666 --> 01:17:53,586
Speaker 1: he will not be coaching the Arizona Wildcats, and I

1669
01:17:53,626 --> 01:17:56,466
Speaker 1: apologize for that to our two producers, Matt and Jason,

1670
01:17:56,466 --> 01:18:00,346
Speaker 1: who are great guys. They're on the West Coast. Sorry. Boys. Also,

1671
01:18:00,346 --> 01:18:03,866
Speaker 1: I want to pick everyone else involved who does the

1672
01:18:03,906 --> 01:18:05,986
Speaker 1: stuff here on the podcast. We've had fun this season.

1673
01:18:06,506 --> 01:18:09,746
Speaker 1: Complain it's been great until next week. The Season with

1674
01:18:09,786 --> 01:18:21,746
Speaker 1: Peter Schrager. The Season with Peter Schrager is a production

1675
01:18:21,946 --> 01:18:25,586
Speaker 1: of the NFL and partnership with iHeartRadio. For more podcasts

1676
01:18:25,586 --> 01:18:29,906
Speaker 1: from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

1677
01:18:29,946 --> 01:18:31,226
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