WEBVTT - George Lopez & Gil Carrillo (The Night Stalker) 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:17.840 Crime and Hello Social Sleuths. Welcome back to another episode 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.520 of Real Time Crime. I'm Leo Lamar and I have 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:27.600 with me my amazing co host Patty Mellancam pause, I 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.320 mean without the slight pause? Is it even you? You know? 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:41.120 And and we've got sometimes Dmitri Hello, Sometimes Hello, it's 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.000 a cute name for you, you guys. Today we've got 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.559 an extra special episode because it'll be be based all 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.240 around our two guests, who I can't wait to bring 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.479 on and introduce. I'm sure you've heard of the infamous 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.480 case of the night Stalker. Well, who better to help 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.520 us uncover all the details of this gruesome case other 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.680 than Gil Coreo, one of the detectives who put him 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.480 behind bars and stars in the Netflix show The night 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.560 Stalker And our dear friend who's also obsessed with true crime, 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.280 the one the only George Lopez. We love comedy, we 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.560 love crime, so to George, so obviously he's a perfect 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.360 fit for this episode. But before we get started today 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:24.319 and introduced them, let's say hello, Hi, Oh my god, Hi? 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.959 How is everyone? Everyone? I mean? By me? I'm okay. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.039 I do need to turn my heat off really quick 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.600 in my house hold on Okay, turn that heat off. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.679 The first crime has been committed to it's too hot 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:43.679 to hand. Speaking of which, my apartment fire alarm was 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.560 blaring last night. You know, you know how you always 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.920 think like, oh, what if I don't hear the fire alarm. No, no, no, 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.000 you'll hear it. You'll hear it. What was happening? I 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.680 saw your instagram was literally Okay, here's the craziest thing. 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.760 The fire alarm was blazing, like you can't hear anything 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.880 else for it feels like you're gonna have your damage. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.960 That's how loud the sound is. Uh. My male woman 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.840 knocked on the door to deliver a package when this 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.639 it's going on, and I was like, oh, I think 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:17.560 we need to get out of the building, and she's 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.240 and then she just wanted to have a full on conversation. 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.600 And I'm like, this is how starved for human connection 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.519 everyone is that while the building might be burning down, 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.160 She's like, yeah, but could we just chat real quick? 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.240 Like can we chat outside? Maybe? Yeah? She's like, you know, 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.680 it's funny because when I was just down a couple 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.720 of doors, I feel like I saw some smaller was like, yeah, 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:41.560 let's leave the building. I don't it was. It was 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.720 last night she was delivering a package. That see if 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.200 if if this alarm was going off really loud and 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.280 someone knocks and says I have a package, I would 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.720 have gone full crime on that one. Maybe she wasn't 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.040 even a real post office worker and they were this 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:56.440 is a long con to just get me out of 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.959 my apartment to bug it, you know, because I'm definitely 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.880 wanted by the CIA. I think if the CIA needed anything, 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.520 they could get it from your Instagram. I don't think 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:12.320 they need to bug your apartment. Who am I aunt? Alvi? Um? Hilarious? Okay. Also, 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.720 I've just noticed my hair is so odd. But it's 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.560 just like this is who I am, and I there's 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.080 nothing I can do about it. Okay anyway, Um, yeah, 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.600 So I was sitting in my car outside my building 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.880 for hours last night, just watching the fire department go 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.200 in and out of the building. But you know, um 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.200 what happened? What was? So don't leave his hanging. I 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.919 never got any information, and it was so odd because 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.040 they kept circling my building, going in and coming out. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.880 So I was like, did you chat up any fireman? 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:46.640 You know? Me? I have a feeling I like you 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:51.840 know what else is on fire? Oh? Is that a 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:56.440 dad joke? Ye, Dmitri, I don't have any STDs. Thank you. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.600 I have a really big crime to report. Please tell us. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.680 I broke my nail and I don't know how I 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:09.960 did it, so I feel like someone's out to get me. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.000 I wonder if Gil gets solve this crime. Gil, can 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.880 you get on the case because it really hurts and 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.719 you don't know how. Like you woke up and it 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.440 was broken. Yeah, I woke up and it was broken, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.479 and then I had to of course finish the job. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:30.360 So you know, I don't know if I'm now compliant 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.760 with a crime. I don't know. Well, you tampered with evidence, 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:41.239 the fingerprints on your fingerprint? You but I almost didn't 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.800 come to the pod today because I was so revved 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.880 that now I'm this is me. Do you think someone 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.440 came into your bedroom at night while you were sleeping 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:54.640 and ripped your finger nail? Probably it's likely the male 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.880 woman that was at your place probably came to mind 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.960 after she has something play the tapes. Did you find 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.480 the piece of it? It wasn't around, It was not around. Yeah, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.240 I mean I could. I did have a kind of 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:14.599 an eventful night last night. Okay, go on the Big Brother. Yeah, 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:20.680 so what happened? So? Um, I had a choice. I 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:24.520 could when I voted the person voted to keep the 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:28.440 person to stay. I had the option of just you know, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.599 being cool. But but I didn't I take that option. 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.240 I took the other option of like being kind of 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.600 a douche. Shocking. But he was not that great, so 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.040 I had to give him a little I had to 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.880 give him a little upper cut. So, if we're honest, 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:53.120 America hates Toddrick. Yeah, and now there's all these memes 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.680 of me because I refused to go over and give 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.599 him a hug when everybody like came out and gave hug, 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.640 so that it's just like me standing and they're like, 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.839 this is how much I give. I was like, how 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.279 can you come a hug to somebody after you just 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.240 said you don't like them? I can't do it. I 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.800 appreciate you standing your ground and being authentic, but it 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.040 is interesting that you woke up without a fingernail. Now, karmically, 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:22.599 maybe it was Doddreck. He was like that seem like 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:27.520 a crime he would commit to get her nailed. Damn 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.320 All right, Well, uh I now I have a sneaky 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.560 suspicion that the case that we're going to talk about 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:39.000 today that you think he's hot. You know what's so 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.640 funny is I literally said, Leah, don't tell them you 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:47.159 think he's hot and playing the odds. But to some 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.400 women that hot. You know a lot of women hit 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.599 him up in jail. He even got married when he 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.080 was at jail. I know a lot of them like 0:06:55.120 --> 0:07:01.160 it's a jail, that's jail's Instagram handle at jail. I 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:06.680 wonder if that's taken anyway, Um, okay, Well, as you 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.920 all know, one of our amazing guests today is the 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:16.520 incredible George Lopez. George has had a very multifaceted career 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:20.640 which encompasses TV, film, stand up, late night television. He 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.600 actually just started shooting the pilot for his upcoming NBC 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.880 comedy Lopez Versus Lopez, featuring his real life daughter, and 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.960 it's a sit coment about a blue collar family set 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.720 to premiere in George. More importantly, you guys know this 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.760 about him already, but I'm just going to tell you again. Anyway, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:43.440 he broke ground in stand up comedy for Latin comics 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:48.320 by embracing his ethnicity and confronting racial stereotypes head on. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.800 I love watching George on stage. He's absolutely hilarious. He's 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.640 currently performing stand up in arenas across the country on 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.200 his Oh My God High Comedy Tour, which is also 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.800 the name of his podcast. His original comedy special We'll 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.000 Do It for Half for Netflix, premiered globally in the 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.760 summer of and prior to that, he joined Eddie Griffin 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.200 Dale Hughley Cedric the entertainer on stage for the comedy 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.480 get Down, which inspired a scripted comedy series based on 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:18.080 the tour for b Et. You already know him. He's 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:22.480 a legend, a living legend. He is a star. We 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.720 are so grateful to have him here. And his connection 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.640 to our next guest is that sometimes this guest is 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.559 often featured on George's podcast, Oh My God High. It's 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.640 a weekly podcast featuring surprise celebrity guest listener Collins, stories 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.160 of George's haunted house, hot takes, and more. And I've 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.160 actually been on their podcast, which is how I know them. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:48.280 And I'm so grateful because Gil Courier, he is a 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.679 retired police officer and he was the patrol officer of 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.440 the l a p d in nine and he served 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.400 for thirty eight years. Oh my god, this man is 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.160 again living legends. We've got on today. He investigated seven 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.000 to eight hundred murders and was promoted to lieutenant of 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:10.560 the l A County Sheriff's Homicide Bureau. So he was 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.640 also Netflix's star of the TV show night Stalker. The 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.480 Hunt for the serial killer also completely centralized around him 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.280 and his partner Frank Salerno, and they investigated the case 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:28.240 of the famous serial killer Richard Ramirez. So you already 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.920 know about this serial killer if you're listening to this 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.560 podcast because you're obsessed with true crime. But if you 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.000 haven't watched the Netflix show yet, there's a four part series. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.240 It's a documentary many series about the nights Stalker. You 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:46.920 should go watch it because it is quite excellent. And 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:51.600 by excellent I mean gruesome and terrifying and deeply disturbing. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:57.240 But it's well produced and Leah is actually the woman 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:02.920 that was married to the night Stalker. I'm Dorene and 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.280 I just say, every time you said the title of 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.240 George Lopez's podcast, you said, oh my god, high Teddy 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.120 was looking at her notes, And every time you said 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.000 it she shot up and looked at thinking. Both times, 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.040 I was like, what you're like, Oh my god. Hi, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:22.480 She's like like someone was on the screen. I think 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:27.560 fast today, like whip whipping around fast. Listen, we get 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.760 you're operating on nine nails. I mean, when you only 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.560 have nine nails, there's not a lot you can function 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.640 with when. Yeah, so would you say you had a 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.720 lot of espresso today or not as much espresso today? None? 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:45.000 Because days after I make bad decisions, I don't like 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:50.040 to have caffeine because decision did you make? No, I mean, 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.120 not not bad decisions, but when when when I'm heavy 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.840 in the social media world and I got like, I 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:02.840 don't like to take Yeah, I don't know if you 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:07.000 guys have noticed, but my Instagram has been changing recently. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:13.600 We hadn't noticed. Hold on what's going on. I'm just 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.559 popping off, really sharing with the world who I am, 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:30.920 whether or not I should do that. So we are 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:35.440 extremely fortunate to have on one of the detectives who 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:42.240 brought the serial killer Richard Ramirez to justice, and that's 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:48.000 Gil Curio and of course our true crime obsessed king 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.800 of comedy, George Lopez. All Right, so we've already kind 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:56.040 of briefed our audience about the night Stalker case, obviously, 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:01.640 and we have so many questions for you guys today. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.520 And before we get into the nitty gritty of the 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.480 case and any of that, let's take it back two seconds, George, 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.440 real fast. How did the idea for the Oh My 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:20.920 God High podcast come about? Uh? You know, I know, 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:25.079 I've been asked to do some podcast on Spotify. I 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.680 don't want to say names Spotify. And then the guy 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.800 was trying to like walk me through how to interview 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.600 people and how to do stuff. And we had like 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.600 seven shows in the can, you know, and I had 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.800 the talk show for a couple of years and you know, 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.280 the other show for twenty shows, and I'm like, is 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.920 this guy trying to tell me how to like talk 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.240 and how to relate and things. So that that went away, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.120 and then I wasn't really sure about getting back into it, 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.400 and all things comedy with Bill Burn and those guys 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.640 and everybody being so great were there. I thought I 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.800 would tried, and I tried it with a friend of 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.880 mine and that became more of just like almost a 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:11.800 whipping boy, you know, commedially, and then when Gil came in, uh, 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.600 Bobby Lee was in and Gil just you know, had 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.520 this great laugh and you know he has great stories 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.960 of his own, you know, family, and I mean, listen, 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.960 the dude was in Vietnam. Like, you know, I don't 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.800 want to drive if it's drizzling, to not get my 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.520 car with this dude was in Vietnam. So to me, 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.839 that ranks above all else. I mean, I've been in 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.920 disney Land with my feet heard and you're like, man, 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.840 I can't take another minute of it. And it was 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:43.800 a Vietna So when it's cold and you're you know, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.720 I'm gotta get inside. Let's started getting really when they 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.720 was in Vietnam. So anybody that's in Vietnam and still 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.120 can laugh and enjoy life that much is he's got 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.600 a seat next to me. And it just really changed, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.600 you know. And the fact that when and be Real 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.440 from Cyper still was in and I knew that if 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.040 he was gonna smoke, we Gil would probably leave the room. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.320 So fortunately those guys got to Oh my God high 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:13.440 an hour earlier and just burning in the car. And 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.199 if I didn't know it was in the car, I 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.880 probably would have called because I was an electrical premetrical 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.240 fire in this car wiring. The smoke was just coming 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.000 out of the tops of the windows. You're like, man, 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.200 that dude's dashboard is on, Eric is on the computer 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.680 shorted out and those dudes come in so high. And 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.080 I had done the real showing. And I don't really smoke, 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.480 but I do I will if they're doing it. And 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.080 I can't remember what I said. I just know that 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.760 it took me fourteen minutes to get home from downtown. 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:49.240 And Gil's just been the greatest to to to go 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.800 back and forth with, and the fact that he can 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.600 remember dates like nobody's business, and his his answers are honest, 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.600 and you know, one of his own guys shot at 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.200 one time. How can you not enjoy stories about one 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:08.800 of your own guys shooting at you. Wow, that's that's 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.320 all right, So we're not messing with Gil. Um. Well, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.920 how did you guys meet? Well, you know, the nights. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.960 I don't know where I became a fan of of 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.160 of crime. I was telling them. I was like, George 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.400 is a massive true crime fan, and I was in 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.880 your podcast. You knew every detail about every case. You know, 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.960 And the validation for my time and crime comes with 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.880 Jeff Garen is a writer who did the last book 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.240 on Charles Manson, and he was interviewing Manson about a 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.840 year before he died, and he said to me, you know, Charles, 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.280 how do you spend your days? You know? Now he goes, well, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.760 you know, I love music, and I listened to classic rock, 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.600 and I love Frank Sinatra and John Wayne and George Lopez. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:55.440 So listen, if Charles Manson can feel it, I'm with it. 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.880 Like somebody said, go see him, I'm like, yeah, maybe 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.720 I'll stop off at bill Is on the way back, Like, 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.800 oh no, I'm not going over there. You crazy. So 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.280 it's just like that stuff. And then you know when 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.480 I was in Milwaukee in the nineties when they caught 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.080 dom you know, I landed at the Milwaukee airport and 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:15.560 they're like, what time does the show? It's like two 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.280 hours away, all right, so let's go stop where Dominant 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:22.200 lived in the party and it hadn't been torn down yet. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.320 But at the part, I mean just it's just awful. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:31.000 I find I find a tremendous waste of good energy. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.240 You know, I won't go see where my daughter lives, 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.200 but I'll go see where Jeffrey dahmerts I haven't been 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.400 to my daughter's house once you've been there for two years, 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.840 she's like four miles away. That's because when so when 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.160 someone says have you ever been there? Have you ever 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:46.680 seen that, you want to be like, yeah, yeah, no, 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.680 I've been there, but no one. You know, the chance 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.080 of someone be like, hey, have you ever seen your 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.000 daughter's place? No, they assume that you have. But if 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.480 someone says, you see where Jeffrey Hmer there and listen, 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.640 if my daughter put police taper around the apartment, I'm 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:02.480 sure I'd be there in two minutes. Me too. Actually, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.000 so sorry, so we still don't know how you met 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.280 besides your love of true crime. He came in. You know, 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.320 the night Stocker documentary was I guess the year ago January, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.720 and uh, you know it was highly tout and you know, 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.720 I think four episodes and I watched it. I worked 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.040 in north Warde at that time. And then you know, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.480 Gil was the guy that you know, he shines in 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.040 that thing like he thought that it was just one 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.639 person wh everybody thought it was true. So then I 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.080 reached out to I think moments here, and then he 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.080 got me Gil's number and I called him and I 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.480 think his wife answered. I said, as girl there, who's this? 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.680 Says George Lopez silence, and she I think she hung up, 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.080 and uh I didn't called back for a long time, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.080 and then I got a text saying, hey, man, I 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:49.040 got a call from here like three weeks ago. Who 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.800 is this? You know that? So then I we finally talked. Cute. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.359 I love that. Well Mexicans, I mean we're gonna meet 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:03.480 eventually right there there that cemetery, let's the resurrection cemetery 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.840 or that or the baby does above it or baby does. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.040 I mean Mexican jew and Jews are just the same 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:12.920 in that way. You know, I'm like, I think we're 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.240 all family. Honestly, you can't get buried in a Mexican 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:23.800 cemetery unless you have tattoos opposite for Jews. Okay, I 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.800 feel like I'm hogging the mic, but um so, if 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.080 anyone else wants to hop in, we get along. You know, 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:30.880 it's one of those things where you know, you meet 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.800 a guy and you feel like you've known him a 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.200 long time, so you know, it's an interesting dynamic. And 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.359 you know, for one thing for the podcast is like 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.760 I don't really listen to them, and I don't really 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.359 kind of go over them or critique m I just 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.280 do them, you know, because it's the freest way to 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.159 talk um in in all of the things that I do, 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.320 like in stand up You're gonna piss somebody off, and 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.320 then secret Service at my house, and then in all 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:57.160 those things people get upset and and uh, people about 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:02.160 the secret service story. Oh man, I need to know. Now. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.320 I go to Cedric. I take Cedric and his family 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.240 to chateau like early January, maybe like two years ago, 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.280 and I'm looking at my Look at your phone, Look 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:14.480 at my phone. When I get in the car, and 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.480 it says that allegedly the leader of I Ran had 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.159 offered a bounty on our former leader and it was 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.320 eighty million dollars alleged. And then on the way back, 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:27.800 after a couple of mimosas and and some dumb I wrote, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:32.560 we'll do it for half. And it turned the whole 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.120 world upside down. And they, you know, they just look 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:36.800 for anything, you know. Somebody said, you know, hey, when 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.359 you're swimming with sharks, don't bleed because I'll attack you. 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.840 That was years ago, and it's true, Like if you're 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.919 in that rare fight air and you and they want you, 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:46.960 and if you do something like that, you're you're allowing 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.200 everybody to kind of go after you. So it's true. 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.800 And then I watched you know, uh Fox, and they 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.400 sent me things from Fox News wants to know what 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.160 I what I meant and you know, listen to show. 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.600 But they came down to the house and they said, 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.119 do you think that was funny? And I said, you know, 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:02.960 I think when I did it, I thought it was funny. 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:09.560 But right now with you guys in fund of the 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.560 CIA has no sense of humor. You know, they don't 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:14.800 want to drink coffee or water. You know, it's like, 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:16.359 what do you think I want to put something? You know? 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.160 You know. So so if they just were all business 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:21.879 and and for people that like, you're not trying to 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.320 tell my daughter everybody that's on social you're always sound 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.160 old when you say I try to tell my daughter. 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.840 But everything that we put on social media they have 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:35.400 and they know, and they they they darsier. Were you like, hey, 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.880 just once I can we go live? No? Yeah, no, no, 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:44.520 that we weren't gonna go live, wasn't. The question that 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.280 really got me was do you have any weapons in 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.160 the house? And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.399 Oh my god, that was the one that got me 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.560 too many weapons in the house. On the way out, 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:57.239 they were like, hey man, we loved your special. Do 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.399 you have a favor both of you guys? Do you 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:08.320 all have a favorite crime? Favorite crime? He's like, what 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:12.640 is wrong with the favorite for a living? I don't. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:14.320 I don't look up any of this stuff. You know, 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.280 I did it for a living. Uh, George, I'm fast 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.560 by how much George really knows and follows. I was 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:22.439 on the podcast with him one time and I mentioned 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.800 the fact that I was asked to consult on the 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.560 b t K Killer, and as soon as I said 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:32.840 b t K, he said Dennis Raider. I didn't remember 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.720 Dennis Raider's name. I don't remember half this stuff because 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:37.480 to me, it's a job. I'm not keeping it in there. 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.680 He's he's studied it, he's done it all, and he's 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.000 fascinated by it. So I don't. I don't. My favorite 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.439 crime in Canada would be Russell Williams, and then my 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:52.000 favorite crime in in California would be Manson, and then 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:54.840 I would probably go b t K in which it's all. 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.760 I was a Dahmer in Milwaukee. I would go up 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.040 into this Sacramento, California that was buried one Corona who 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.800 was burying migrant workers. No wonder. You know the lettuce 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:07.520 didn't get picked one year and they go, where's all 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.520 the guys I used to work here? Killed them all? 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:15.320 Sen killed like thirty thirty migrant farmworkers and buried him 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.560 into the with a great name. That name up one 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:22.760 Corona is a great name. You just rattled those off, 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.800 those crimes off like it was an ESPN fantasy rankings. 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:30.440 You're like, oh, you know, the Lakers haven't been good 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.480 in ten years, so I got to focused by time 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.399 somewhere else. I've never even read the book on the 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.000 Night Starker Kate. You know there's a book written and 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.439 I helped part of the invest I've never read that. 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.639 He's he's a reader, he's a student. He's good. If 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:46.120 I had known this, I'd have been going to him 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:54.639 for consulting you. No name. I testified in the Michael 0:22:54.680 --> 0:23:06.800 Jackson trial. Wait, what, here's my that's Tom Mezzero standing 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.520 that guy that looks like the nutcracker sitting down as 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:14.359 Michael Jackson, and then the one that looked like Mario 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:17.640 Lopez had to go to court. I looked at made 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:22.680 me much younger. And then the Rodney selling, I think 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:28.679 that is amazing. George is holding up a painting. It 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.159 is like a like a Bob Ross style painting, like 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:35.960 very well done of a courtroom scene and it's the 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.840 artist of artists of all crime that you know, you 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:43.160 don't know cameras and he was there and he drew 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:46.320 that for me and gave it to me, like to 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:50.480 what extent were you testifying? You know, Uh, the Laft 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.920 factory had this, and you know this is that's how 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.920 something can go sideways. The last factory had comedy camp 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.440 for kids that were under privilege, and I got the 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.760 Latino kids. I got the Arvizo family and Jamie Fox 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:09.200 did it and Leno, Chris Tucker, myself, Arsenio and that 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:13.840 family was the family that accused Michael Jackson of the 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:18.639 two thousand five trial. So that kid left his wallet 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:20.200 at my house. I took him to go eat and 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:21.600 just got out of the hospital. I took him to 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:25.639 go eat. And then when I got back, my wife 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:27.880 when I was married, and said, you know, Gavin left 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.119 his wallet in here, and I opened the wallet he 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:32.520 had fifty dollar billion there, and I'm like, wh why 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.800 does this kid have fifty our billionaire? You know, it's 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:39.520 like poor and uh. Allegedly Michael Jennison gave him the fifty, 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:43.000 but then also the father when I took the wallet 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.680 back to the laugh Factory, claimed that I had taken 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:49.600 three out of there, so which was not true, and 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:53.040 Tom Ezerro used that as the defense, like the button 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:56.360 in his opening argument. So I was walking in New York. 0:24:56.560 --> 0:25:00.359 I was gonna go do Regis and Cathy or Katie whoever, 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:02.960 and I walked by. I was watching Court TV, and 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:04.639 I said, God, that guy looks like a lot like me, 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.760 and I that that is me. And it said said 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.879 to be to be subpoena that this weekend, if not today, 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.879 and to testifying the trial. And I said, well, how 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.119 would you like to get your subpoena in person? Or 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:20.320 should you have episode that my lawyer when it got 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:23.239 it delivered to him. I would have loved if it 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:27.160 was delibered you while you were filming Regis. That would 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:28.919 have been amazing. I wish, I wish I would have 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.200 taken the three hundred, could have offset the seventy thousand 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:34.199 it cost me to hire a lawyer ring to fly up. 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:37.280 How about your like, what what's this kid doing with 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:38.920 fifty bucks? And then they're like, well there was three 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:43.760 D and the right what are you doing with three hundred? Yeah? 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.000 So you know that, I mean just being around that. 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:48.400 I mean I've been around some crazy things in my life. 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.520 You know, I've been around um, you know I was. 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:54.160 I played golf with o J after he got out. 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.080 I was on the freeway when he went by that 0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:59.320 that afternoon, I was going down coming in a magic store. 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.320 It took me to twenty minutes to get from Sherman 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:04.520 Oaks to her most of the beach and I got 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.120 out stage and I said, hey, let's let out every 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:15.440 Friday because there was no traffic. All right, I've said enough. Wow. 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:18.840 Gil has a look on He's like, you know, crime 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:24.000 is not funny. He looks like he's like, I'm fascinating. 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:28.440 My job is just to set here, watch, listen, laugh. Uh. 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:32.480 He fascinates me. I gotta say, Gil, your your name 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:36.760 and Frank Sillerno. Anytime I listened to something about, you know, 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.639 crime in the eighties and Los Angeles, those are the 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.800 names that come up. You guys did a bang up job. 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.240 Like every time there was like a serial killer that 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.879 was that was caught, you guys were right there behind it. 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.399 Thank you. It's really all the people involved, everybody around us. 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:55.440 Somebody gets to sign the handle on it, but it's 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:59.200 it's a team, and I was surrounded by heroes. Oh 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:02.360 that's nice. A lot of the stuff I've heard was like, oh, 0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:04.359 no one thought this, no one gave an extra but 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.159 then it was it was Gilbert and and Frank that thought, no, no, 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.160 there's something more to this. So it sounds like you guys, 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:12.280 and I know you you definitely seem too modest to 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:14.320 take this, but I'm just gonna finish it off, is 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:15.840 that it seems like you guys were the ones that 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.680 always thought things through and and did the final steps. 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:20.399 Are the extra steps that led to a lot of 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:24.760 those captures. Thank you. Then, and then ended up on 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.680 the George Wolf Oh my God I podcast. So where 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:32.000 did if Richard Ramirez handn't gone to the dentist? How 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.200 much longer do you think he would have been out there? Guilt? 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.120 We said when he hit in the mission vehicle, we'd 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.320 have him within two weeks, and we had no idea 0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:43.600 who we was yet, but we thought we'd have within 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:49.560 two weeks. And today that they released his name, we said, 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:54.840 give us twenty four hours, and you know, hindsight. Uh, 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:57.399 they released his name because they had to, and I 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:01.679 understand why, and he was caught. The next point, what 0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:05.280 do you think the fascination is with women who want 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:09.280 to marry serial killers once they're in jail. I have 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.760 no idea. He had some gorgeous, beautiful, well one would 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:19.040 call sexy he and then he up marrying one of 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:24.840 the ones that attractive den But she she she thought 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:29.080 he was innocent. That's what she says. I never spoke 0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:33.280 with her. I don't care. It's bizarre, Like, didn't somebody 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:36.879 married Kenny Bianci right, one of the Hillside stranglers, and 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.240 then they like committed a crime, a murder for him 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.240 to prove that it wasn't him because he was behind 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.720 bars at that time or something. It's insane. Yes, And 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:47.280 this is I know this is a little awkward because 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:49.720 I don't know if you guys know that. Leah. Anytime 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:51.960 there's a serial killer that we talked about, Lee is like, oh, 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:56.680 he's hot always. She has like a fascination. Well, I mean, 0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.680 maybe you're just not that picky leat. I mean, we've 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:03.720 seen my list of men that I've dated, so I 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.480 probably am not that picky. But I do think in 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:12.040 a different alternate to mention a different timeline, you know, 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:14.400 I think he was he could have been like a 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:18.600 model Ali and needs She's fine as long as a 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.720 guy either has a mug shot or a head shot. 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:25.200 And she said like she's like, this is my guy. 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.040 But those are so deviant though, I mean, you know, 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:34.040 to think that a woman would be like that's my guy, 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.360 all right to him, and you know they you all 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.000 said there was some women that would sit in court 0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:40.680 and you know, he'd wear his classes and he kind 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:42.479 of look over his shouldren go like that, and he 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.560 was just moving these women, Like even women that were 0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.440 lawyers would go in there and sit there and watch 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.000 him like I guess he was. I don't know if 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:55.480 he what that magnetism is, but even everybody I think 0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:57.720 involved with the case said that that if you laid 0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.239 eyes on that dude, like he was magnetic, you know, like, 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:08.720 umguil right, he was kind of you had something. Everybody 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.280 would say something see something different. Some women Sophie Dickman, 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.400 who testified at the age of sixty five, as five 0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.840 victims said, he was quite a handsome young man, you know, 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:23.400 so he had chisel look to him. And I don't know. 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:27.040 I wasn't not my type. Do you think it's a 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:31.320 fascination of like wanting to change somebody and thinking you'd 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.640 be capable to do that, or do you think it's 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:39.320 like we were saying, because he's has fame. Or there 0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:43.680 was one follower, a little Filipino young lady went every 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.200 day to the preliminary hearing and then she'd go visit 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.080 him in the jail constantly. After the case was over, 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:51.960 I was talking to him and I said, rich, whatever 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.880 happened to Bernadad? And he said, ah, she's come by. 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.680 But she was trying to talk uh to go back 0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.440 into Catholicism, get back into Christianity, get back into God, 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:04.720 I said, And he said, oh, no, it didn't work. 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.720 And I heard because I had taught her into doing porno, 0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.320 so he hear into doing porno and she wanted him 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.200 to go back in the church. So I don't know. 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:15.840 At one time he asked me, why do you think 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.440 I am the way I am? And the same answer 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.320 is just like, why did these ladies do it? I 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.400 have no idea a doctor would give you an answer 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:26.880 to that. And they get paid a lot more money 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.640 than I did as a cop. And he never showed 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:34.520 any remorse practice. He showed remorse for one victim, one 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.480 victim only, and after he kidnapped a tenure a little 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:42.000 girl and let her go, after this case is all over, 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:43.840 what we're talking to me. The only thing he was 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.400 remorseful about, besides the one teenage girl, that he had 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.360 assaulted a little ten year old girl. And he wasn't 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.720 sorry for her. He was sad. He was sad and 0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:54.880 because a little puppy got out when he took the girl, 0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:57.680 and he was concerned for the puppy. Didn't know if 0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:01.400 the puppy had made it home. Wow, But you know 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:03.960 I worked in I worked in the valley in north 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.560 Ridge around that time, and you know, no social media, remember, 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:11.800 no phones and and nothing. So um when he was 0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:13.800 out there and he was hitting in the valley and 0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.720 around north Ridge, and when you would leave working and 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:18.880 start the sun would start to go down. You could 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:23.720 feel in the air that tension of this guy being 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:27.480 out there and not and not getting caught yet and 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.040 in that area, and I mean, I've never felt it 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.160 in any other part time of be living out here, 0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:35.400 but in north Ridge in the mid eighties. There when 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.600 that guy was on the loose, you could feel the tension. 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.480 You could see people going home, you could see the 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.440 streets with less cars on him, and that guy would 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:48.760 still hit like it's like you you're expecting me to 0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.600 do it, and he still did it. And then it 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.880 made the next time even even worse like that, just 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.320 it was no but no one was out when he 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:02.280 was out there. How common is it that a serial 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:07.760 killer doesn't have a type? This was What he was 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.440 doing was quite uncommon. A matter of fact, nobody had 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:13.840 been in criminal history had been documented doing what he 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:20.040 was doing. The several different methods of this modus operandi, 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:23.080 the method of his operation, from the way he killed 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.200 him and to what are his victims were, And so 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:30.240 normally everybody sticks to a certain type. This guy went 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.600 was all over the place. So the only pattern was 0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:37.880 that he were the obvious shoes. His only consistency was 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:43.280 his inconsistency. He wore the via shoe up until a 0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:47.520 favorite senator went public with the shoe shoe information, at 0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:50.280 which time he from over the Golden gate Bridge and 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:54.680 change shoes, went to a stadia as opposed to the via. 0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:57.320 And and that how important was it? I can tell 0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:03.200 you without equivocation that on January nine, five, one thousand, 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.880 three D fifty six Pairer model for forty avias entered 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.640 the United States from Taiwan through New York, of which 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:12.759 six pair ended up in the state of California, with 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.680 one pair ended up the city Los Angeles. So that 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:19.239 was almost as good as a fingerprint, right, And so 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.959 he'd been wearing gloves the whole time, so that one 0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:26.560 fingerprint was the only fingerprint he left. Right. He wore gloves, 0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:31.560 either cheap gloves, gardening gloves, or even socks. He just 0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:34.640 put socks on his hands. He did leave a print. 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:40.719 We found an old case June night four and uh 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:45.040 Jenny Vinkow, which was an l ap D case. He 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:47.520 had a live print. But back in nineteen four and 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.280 eighty five, fingerprints weren't automated, with the exception of felons, 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.920 so he had never had a felony conviction, so they 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:59.680 weren't They were of the computers, and so fingerprints didn't 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:01.600 mean it. But he left the fingerprint on a car, 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:04.439 and he left the fingerprint at the residents of Jenny Vinko. 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:07.680 How did you end up getting involved in the case 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.400 in the first place? But was it by location or 0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.440 back then in the old days we used to wear beepers. 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.560 I was on all I knew. I was up. People 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:24.240 went off then forty March seventeen uh and they said Europe, 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:26.719 you got a murder, and it was That's where I went. 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.160 And then you started linking stuff together and just get going. 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:33.759 You got a U up page. No, I just got up. 0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:40.080 You know you're on call. You got your murderer. What 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.880 number murder was that? That was the first one in 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.160 the modern series. And we say modern because we did 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.360 find the one L A p D. During the investigations. 0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:52.200 We got this murder over here that occurred of Jenny 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:55.920 Vincow in June of eighty four, and that was out 0:35:55.960 --> 0:36:00.080 of Northeast Division. And I said, just hold on to it, 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.279 and he says, we have a live print, but we 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.560 can't make it. We've run it, nothing, no hits on it. 0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.920 I will just hold onto the case until after we 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.680 solve ours and once we have somebody in custody then 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:13.640 we'll match the prints. And it turned out of what 0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:18.400 same guy? Wow, So you mentioned that the with the 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.560 sneakers and then somebody let that out and then it 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.279 kind of you know, I understand. That's why you guys 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.799 keep so much information close to the vest. Is that 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:27.880 because if something gets out, then they can react to that. 0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:29.799 Was there ever one when you thought you were like 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.160 real close and and somebody like information leaked and it 0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:39.080 completely derailed the case. Yeah, that's the nice one. Yeah, No, 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.919 that's exactly why we keep some information on the news. 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:50.440 I watched people today. Uh the georgiall call me. I 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:52.439 don't know, they'll call me and he calls me names 0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.720 all the time. But uh, the actor that just shot 0:36:55.760 --> 0:37:01.880 somebody on the movie set. Okay, Now, the police officers 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:04.279 and charged over there. They were given an awful lot 0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.279 of information and you can tell they're not used to 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:12.319 dealing with high profile cases. So the less contact you 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:16.120 have with the press, the more information you're gonna you're 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.120 gonna leak out. During this case, the chief of police 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:25.120 Monterey Park let out the on the Joyce Nelson murder 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:30.200 or Dot William and Emily Dot Uh the blood Curtly 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:32.719 calls you listen to the news, and they always put 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:37.480 out these calls because that gets people to watch their news. Well, 0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:40.200 that was the last time Richard ever left the phone intact. 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:44.200 He once it went out publicly. From that point on, 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:48.040 he disabled every phone in the house. So they follow. 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.640 You better believe that these serial killers are following the 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:53.279 news just like we are. Do you think they get 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:58.640 off on seeing themselves in the news As an example, 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:01.759 it's definitely to quote Richard, I've got an ego that 0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.160 will fill this filled this room, but I can tell 0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.520 you everything about the time that Romans fed the Christians 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:14.800 to the Alliance to modernate serial killers, which was yeah, sorry, 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.160 go ahead, No, that was it. You just had a 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:20.800 big That's why I was disappointed, because the night Stalker 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.960 is a is a for all you know, in tense purposes, 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.120 a pretty cool title. But my understanding, and correct me 0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.600 if I'm wrong, is that he originally they called him 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:33.160 the screen door Intruder. They had several names from it, 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:37.400 and we didn't. The law enforcement doesn't make up the names. 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:40.360 That's the local media that makes up names. But you know, 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.440 it's like, screw him. I wish I wish he had 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.239 been stuck with that one rather than getting a cool 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:50.840 one the screen door intruder like yeah, yeah, or a mosquito. 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:54.360 You know. Well, it's interesting he would wear sunglasses in 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:58.480 the courtroom. How did they even allow that? Well they did. 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:00.680 They try to take him, get him to take him off, 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:03.840 and he didn't want to judlin him do it. He 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.759 just makes him look so much cooler though he was. 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.760 He thought he was cool. People obviously thought he was cool. 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:12.920 It looks like he just had a really fun night 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.200 in Vegas and came to court looked like a Miami 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:21.239 dope dealers. You know. One of my one of my 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:26.000 favorite things about that document is he's he is tied 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:30.680 up at the waist and the prosecutor is talking about 0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:34.040 him to him and and you know, really in in 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.319 in tough tones about being a murderer and being this 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.319 and being you know, in human and like a lot 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:44.319 of when they somebody's talking to him like that, they 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:47.080 kind of kind of rock almost like a like a chicken, 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.759 you know, and they're like, hey, you'll know the movie. 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:51.839 It's like hey, this, this, this, and this, and he 0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:56.200 does that to the prosecutor even though his his hands 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.560 are shackled at the waist and he's going like this 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.279 to him, and it's it's chilling, man, because you know, 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:03.239 we grew up around guys like that, and you know 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:07.520 that that guy has that in him where this guy 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.560 is just berating him and even though he's done what 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:12.520 he's done, it's like you're doing it in front of 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:16.319 my face. And you see him really kind of kind 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.360 of get that posture, you know, get that get that 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:20.880 feeling like what it must have been like when he 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.080 was when he was out there, you know, nobody does 0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:25.600 that without I mean it was high on crack and 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.799 all that stuff. But you could see that guy just 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:29.920 pump up and you know, you're like, wow, man, and 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:33.479 like that. Nobody very much. He did that very much. 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.239 And culturally speaking, one day he came in and the 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:39.320 news media went they went nuts because he walked in 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:41.799 shackled and he saw me sitting in the courtroom and 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:46.040 he just bobbed his head and real and they thought 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.799 it was death threats, the non Spanish speaking me. They 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:51.360 thought death threat The only one that knew what he 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:54.480 was talking about was Tony Beldez from then Fox New 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.120 Channel Loving he laughed and to this day, every time 0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:06.759 Tony sees me here. Do you think that do you 0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:10.640 guys think that it's it's possible that they are serial 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.359 killers are born this way, or do you think it's 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:17.840 always childhood. I have no idea, what's a kid some 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:23.080 else I born, nurture or learned. I have no idea. 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:29.920 I have normal. Oh yeah, sorry, this is an inferiority 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:34.279 that they suffer that that triggers them to go and 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:40.640 do things that garner either attention or respect or with 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:44.319 women that they probably could have never maybe had. I mean, 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:47.080 then the b t K killer was trying to be 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.840 like a police officer and something that he he was, 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.359 you know, really strange and just didn't pass the test. 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.040 And then he became like a guy that went around 0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.000 the neighborhood to let you know that you're your your 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.520 grasp was so higher, you had to fix this wall. 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:03.760 He just became one of those guys that that becomes 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.839 a nuisance really to say, what did that guy say, goes, 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:09.040 I says, I can't leave my trash cans out there? 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.840 And he became that guy. And part of that being 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.080 looked down or being laughed at, or being ridicule for 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.360 what the job he had and he had no power 0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:22.440 in that job, but he could, you know, in that area, 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:26.200 like kick over somebody's house and be in there waiting 0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:28.680 with that a limit of surprise. He waited in the 0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:30.759 closets and stuff like that. So when you pop out, 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.680 I mean you're talking about being larger than life. It 0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:35.360 doesn't matter what size you are, you pop out of 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.680 somebody's closet, like this girl was on a date and 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:39.400 her boyfriend had left and she was changing and he 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.040 popped out of the closet. That's I guess that rush 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.920 that those guys get that has to be something for 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.799 them that they that they go off. Gil, that's right, 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:53.480 that's right. Stuff would scare me, you know, just I 0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:55.480 listen to so many cops of that. I'll let him 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:57.080 come to my house. I'll kill him. I'll do this. 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.480 Once you have that element of surprise, it's scared to 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:03.080 be teas is. You'd make anybody shift in their pants, Gil. 0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:05.360 Gil was walking he thought he heard a noise. You 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.200 could tell him in the middle of the night. Yes, uh, 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:10.879 July seven, three thirty in the morning. I woke up 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.439 and I was by myself my family at this time, 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.640 and moved out with my My wife had moved out 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:20.440 with my children, and I couldn't sleep. I was having nightmares, 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:22.880 and subconsciously I felt somebody was in my house. I 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.560 thought he was here, and so I got out of 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:30.440 bed and I was profusely sweating. I was scared. My 0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:33.400 stomach was in knots. I felt like I was gonna vomit. 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:37.040 I grabbed my gun and I literally walked around the 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.319 inside of my house, checking my house, clearing my house 0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:42.960 as if it was there was a burglar inside. And 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.080 I couldn't call the cops because I lived in sheriff's 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:48.359 jurisdiction where I work. And I said, if I call 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:50.000 the cops, they come down here and they're gonna say 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.640 I'm crazy, and and maybe I was, you know, but 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.400 I was having nightmares and I'm sick. I went and 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:57.440 I got back in bed, and I said, what the 0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:01.040 hell is he doing right now? And good homicide cop 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:04.520 that I was just like nurses when something goes on, 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:06.120 first thing you do is you look at your watch, 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:09.160 see what time it is. You can document it. I 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.160 looked at the clock. It was three thirty in the morning, 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.000 and I'm saying, God, damn it, what's he doing. It's 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:15.640 killing me. And then I got a phone call from 0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:20.759 another deputy that was working our crime crime lab. She 0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:22.520 had been on some of the cases. She's a dear 0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:24.800 friend of mine. I got a call from my office 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.640 and call her up. I called her up and she said, Gil, 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.480 you better come down here. I think the lady right 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:33.239 across free from me she's just been raped and I 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:36.120 think it's part of what you're working on. That case 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.440 turned out to be Sophie Dickman, one of our surviving victims, 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:44.000 and at three, she says, at three thirty in the morning, 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:52.280 he was sodomizing her, plot sodomizing her, and her only 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.880 fear was that he would kill her because he was 0:44:55.920 --> 0:45:01.120 embarrassed because he couldn't maintain an direction. And she was working. 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:03.520 She used to work. She was a nurse for at 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:05.719 that that time General Hospital, and that at that time 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:09.120 she was working the psychiatric work. She was very calm, 0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:15.960 she was very tough. Wow, wow, sorry. Do you think 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.799 that this case, like when you talk about bringing it home, 0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:21.319 do you think that this case hit you harder than 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.880 any of the others. This case had me on the 0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:30.080 brink of going nuts or I told my partner, uh 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:36.320 Salerno on the September, we had a dinner celebrating, Uh, 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:45.560 and I apologize. Uh, there's some Mexican restaurant. Uh. The 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:49.440 owner of bill Cello's gave gave the task force. My 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.400 partner's wife used to be a bookkeeper for him, and 0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:56.920 he had the task force down his restaurant and gave 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:58.480 us a nice dinner. And on the way down there, 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.040 I told my partner, you know, you had me for 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.799 about two more weeks before I just went completely bad ship. 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.680 I was getting stressed out, I was getting short with everybody. 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:12.000 I was getting short with my wife. Uh. When I 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:16.440 did see her and she finally moved out with the kids. 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:24.520 The day of the day he was arrested, I affectionately 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:28.239 called her sister Mary Clarence, because she's the religious She's 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.320 the nice one, and I'm the devil. I'm the asshole 0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:33.759 in the family. And Uh. I called her up and 0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:36.439 I said, he's in custody, we've got him. It's over. 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:39.919 And she said, what do you mean it's over? Why 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:45.520 isn't he dead? Uh? And then that night that day, 0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:50.560 my cousin had got married and my kids had something 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.800 to do with it. I didn't know what was going on. Oh, there. 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:58.640 They were doing something with a wedding, and so I went. 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.799 I said, I'll just go to the Hilton. I'll be 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:06.200 there sometime tonight. Get us a room, and we'll just 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:11.239 spend the night there. I walked in and people were 0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:13.120 saying I could hear him saying, Oh, that's him, that's him, 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:19.080 that's him meaning me. And I was just thoroughly exhausted 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.600 and I wasn't feeling good. I went up and told 0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:27.799 my cousin, uh, congratulations. When up to the bar, got 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.239 me a drink. Somebody bought me a drink. The bartender said, 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:32.160 your money is no good here if you don't have 0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.400 a sponsor of the bar sponsors you. And I just 0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:35.800 told my wife, you know what, I just want to 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.279 go to bed tonight because it's night. I don't wanna 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:39.520 take any way, but I want to go to bid. 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:43.839 I'm tired. And so I was not. I was not good. 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:47.479 It was like the game's over, super Bowl time is here. 0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:50.480 We made it to the playoffs thoroughly drained, and I 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.799 was about I didn't how much and much gas left 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:56.359 in the tank. My captain was saying. At that time, 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.200 we were working six eighteen hours a day, seven days 0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:17.560 a week and you use a ballbuster. Okay, and we're 0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:20.000 back to real time crime and we have with us 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:23.239 George Lopez and Guil Courio. Hey, guys, so let's just 0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.520 head right back into the conversation. So your partner, Frank 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.279 was on the cover of the l A Times and 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:31.839 said that he started to fear for his safety and 0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:36.960 his family. And I mean, did you feel that same 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:42.360 sort of terrified feeling that he would come for your family? 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:47.040 I understand this. Frank is older and wiser than Gil 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:53.040 Courio is Frank. You know, Uh, I really didn't have 0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:59.880 My whole focus was on capturing the killer. My documentary dropped. 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:02.960 My wife and I stood up and we've been binge 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:10.400 watched it and m killer Russell, the director captured some 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:15.040 stuff that was really important to me. I cried watching 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:18.120 the documentary, and George will tell you all that ain't shit. 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:21.920 He cries all the time anyway. But I cried and 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.279 I laughed, and as soon as it was over, the 0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:30.840 first thing I did was apologized to my wife, as 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:34.960 I I didn't realize, I asked her for forgiveness because 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:38.600 during the case, it's kind of like, okay, here it 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:42.120 is you're in charge, meaning my wife. She was in 0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:45.439 charge of the house and the kids, and I didn't 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:47.279 want to hear about any problems going on over here 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.239 because my focus was captured the bad guy, because the 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:53.400 bad guy could kill my wife, for kids or anybody else. 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:56.040 So my total focus was there, and I didn't have 0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:59.200 enough time to spend about worry about anybody else. That's 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:03.680 all I did. So I apologized because I never thought 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.960 of the fear factor that she was going through, so 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:10.680 I didn't think of anything else. Frank Wiser longer, you know, 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:14.400 he thought of everything I didn't. Uh The week before 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:19.120 his arrest, when he hit down a mission vehicle, I 0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:21.920 came home and I found footprints around my house and 0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:23.839 they weren't the via, but they would looked like they 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:26.359 could have been the studio, and they shouldn't have been 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:28.759 where they were. He didn't get in, he didn't go 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:32.480 to my back, but he was around concrete up where 0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:35.399 it shouldn't have been. So we had some cops now 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:40.080 sitting on my house. But that was sitting on there 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:42.879 for me because my family was gone. So I wasn't 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:48.080 concerned about my family. Uh. I told my mom, you know, 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:54.799 shut the windows and my mom just says why, And 0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:59.440 I couldn't and I couldn't speak. I couldn't tell anybody 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:01.560 about what was really going on, how bad it really was, 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:07.000 so as not to create panic and fear. Mhm, How 0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:10.480 did you end up knowing that it was one guy? 0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:14.040 I I feel like for a while most people thought 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:18.400 it was too correct. A lot of people thought it 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:21.279 was more than one person going around, a couple of 0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:23.440 serial killers working in the same area, a couple of 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:26.840 killers they didn't know they were related. I owe everything 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:29.200 that I put my heart and soul in the case, 0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:32.280 but owe everything to a guy named Dr Robert Morneau, 0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:35.759 who taught me things that he in his words, I 0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:38.560 can hear him today. Any reasonable and prudent sex crimes 0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:42.040 investigator would notice that nobody else would. And so there 0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:44.520 were things that kept coming out in the case that 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.680 I could see, this is a sex crime. When you 0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:50.040 have a sex crime, you had a shoe print, you 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:54.160 had people given you, uh physical descriptions of the suspect 0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:57.279 that all seemed to match up. I'm saying, it's one guy. 0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.840 It's one guy. It's one guy. The problem is, and 0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:03.480 I can understand why nobody would believe me. Nobody in 0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:07.080 criminal history had ever been documented doing what this guy did. 0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:11.200 I mean, little girls, little boys, old women, younger women. 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:14.560 It didn't make a difference. Why do you think he 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:18.880 lets some of the younger children live the acquiesced his command. 0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:22.120 If anybody, if you acquis, you lived. If you didn't 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:23.880 even put up a fight and didn't follow his prorections, 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:28.440 you died. He killed one girl. We found out in 0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:31.600 two thousand and ten he killed a girl uh and 0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:36.120 five as well up in San Francisco. And they had 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.960 made him on DNA because back then when we were 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:41.960 working in case they didn't have DNA. They made him 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:44.640 on a DNA case up there, and she was I 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:46.680 want to say she was ten years old. But she 0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:51.120 put up a fight. And that's the only uh child 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:55.719 that he killed. Right, So the purchase of guns was 0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:59.960 way up in California. People were scared. People were terrified. 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:03.600 He was gouging out eyes of the victim. He was 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:08.160 using old torture devices, thumb cuffs, he was using bullets 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:11.680 that aren't even being made anymore. I mean, why do 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:17.160 you think he was so gruesome and using these older tactics, 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:20.879 or do you I mean, why would someone do that. 0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:23.520 Where would they even get the idea to use thumb 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:28.040 cuffs when he first started using we found the thumb cuffs, 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:31.760 and I the first thing I said was from surviving victims. 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:35.640 He's using point shoulder shooting, which means he's got his 0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:37.920 hands in front of him, just you know, stick your 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.840 hands out like that at point. That's taught in military. 0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:44.360 It's taught law enforcement thumb cuffs. Who were using Asia, 0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:47.440 So I'm looking at somebody that maybe perhaps had been 0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:52.120 in Vietnam and in Asia or they or they they 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:56.800 did use thumb cuffs, and gun sales went up. A 0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:01.880 very good friend of George is now a friend of mine. 0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:07.040 He's still afraid momos buying guns to protect themselves. So people, 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:10.600 some people have a fascination with guns, some people don't. Personally, 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:13.440 I never did have a fascination with guns. And it 0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:16.200 was a tool, just like a hammer to a carpenter. 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:18.840 That's all it was. Was tooled to me and I 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:21.719 ask you a question. So we talked about, you know, 0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:25.840 some of the reasons you keep stuff close to the vest. Now, George, 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:28.160 who is obviously one of the funniest people there is 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:30.960 and confined humor in anything when he was telling the 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.920 story about the Secret Service, you could tell correct me 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:35.919 if I'm wrong. George in your face you were like, oh, 0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:37.799 this is not now, we're not joking around, Like this 0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:40.080 is serious ship. I'm not gonna make a joke. What 0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:44.440 is it with people that confess to doing these murders 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:47.719 that have nothing to do with it? Like, what's it? Why? 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:51.680 Why does that happen? And obviously obviously it puts another 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.359 layer into your job because now you've got to keep 0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:56.719 some stuff away, you know, close to the vest. And 0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:58.919 if they admit to it but don't know that fact, 0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:00.879 then you know it's not them. Why did they do that? 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.600 You have to watch people. We had at least five 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:08.240 people come forward to confess to being the night starter, 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.120 you know, and and all five of them we're not 0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:15.560 playing with a full seabag, you know. They were missing 0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:18.319 something upstairs, but they wanted the attention for whatever. About 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:20.359 the guy that had the magazines and he had like 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.719 women's clothes in there. He seemed like that was the 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:26.560 guy right at first, because he just we thought he 0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:28.399 was the guy. We we thought he was a guy. 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:30.839 There was a gentleman that we put a surveillance team on. 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:33.080 We followed him for a couple of days. We did 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:38.800 a search warrn on his house and he had we 0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:40.919 we found magazines, you know, back in the old days. 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:46.600 People use computers now, but he had sears, uh advertising 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.080 women in brawls and panties and stuff that you'd see 0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:51.400 in magazine back then. He had him cut out all 0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:58.000 over the place, women's underwear slices, real underwear slices in 0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:01.320 the crotch area. Now, I just had to laugh in 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:05.240 the beginning everything that I've said about George, I'll see, 0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:08.080 that's something that never went public. And that's something that 0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:10.880 I've just told George about. And George remembers his stuff 0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:13.920 about the guy that we followed around and the cut patties. 0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:17.279 I wonder how many cut patties you have in your house, George. Well, 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:18.840 I can tell you if they're gonna be cut patties, 0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:21.120 they're gonna be the owner of that dog that's been 0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:26.319 down there barking for seven years in the row, allegedly 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:32.040 I'm waiting for Cadbury to send in a shipment of chocolate. 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:40.560 And and you said he is one of the George 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:43.520 one of the funniest men. And I beg to differ 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:46.200 with you. I I just went to watch him at 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:49.799 the Microsoft and his stand up special on Saturday. He 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:53.920 is the funniest, the funniest. I'm just able to make 0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:57.560 it out there. We gained my composure and he's the 0:56:57.560 --> 0:57:00.920 funniest man. He's the he's man to tell it like 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:04.120 you have. You know, I don't put years into something 0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:06.680 that just becomes air or the minute you say it, 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:13.319 after you say it. But you know, I think I 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:17.720 think being an only child in that time, and you know, 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:21.919 in the Mexican culture, you know, there's like these these 0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:24.720 magazines the Allottama, which is the Alarm, and there's these 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:28.360 magazines that they would show crashes in Mexico when they 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:31.000 show all of it, and they sold them at at 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:33.520 at liquor stores and stuff like that, and my grandparents 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:35.200 would buy them and there was a lot of my 0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:36.840 how was yellowing and and then you would go in 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:39.120 there and see this stuff and you're like, at that time, 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:41.440 the only place you could see that was like in 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:43.920 a magazine like that and disturbing images. And I think 0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:48.840 that that in in part of growing up. I think, 0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:50.720 you know, like you know, with kids, everything, you know, 0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:53.720 I have a daughter that five, and I would I 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:55.600 would say, you know, when the kids see something, they 0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:59.720 can't unsee it, you know, so you know where I 0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:01.760 saw things that I knew I shouldn't have seen that. 0:58:01.840 --> 0:58:03.800 You want to make sure that your children don't see 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:08.800 things that they'll never be able to unsee. Well, that's 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:13.400 interesting because he lived with his older cousin who had 0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:18.240 been in Vietnam, and maybe that's where he thought of 0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:21.680 using thumb cuffs because he used to be shown photos 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:25.280 and he killed people brutally in Vietnam. I mean. The 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:28.040 other thing is that he had he was beaten, He 0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:30.080 had multiple head injuries to the point where he was 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:33.000 having seizures. And I'm not trying to say, do you 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:35.880 think he had brain damage and that is the reason 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:40.240 that he lacked empathy? But maybe I am saying that. 0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:44.800 I'm not sure what I'm saying. Um Okay, Well, I'm 0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:48.520 not trying to link brain damage to Satanism, but I 0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:53.000 am curious to know how he went from you know, 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:58.120 all these violent situations and seeing disturbing murders and violence 0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:02.480 as and rape as a child. Um. And and he 0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:06.160 witnessed his cousin shooting his own wife and murdering her. 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.439 And then he went from being a scared young man 0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:15.760 to being a cold calculated killer almost immediately. And then 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:19.800 took an interest in Satanism and made his victims swear 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:22.200 to Satan, swear their love of Satan. You know, they'd 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:24.600 say like, oh my god, ball and he would he 0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:28.480 would say, no, swear to Satan. He as a kid, 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:30.400 he was beating his He tells his dad used to 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:33.040 beat him, eat him with a hose. In order to 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:34.560 get away from his dad, used to go sleep in 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:40.160 the bulk that cemetery and started Jesus Christ and no 0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:42.959 one knows he is comfortable, beastful there. And he didn't 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:44.880 get into Satanism until he came out to l A 0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:50.240 and doing dope was they were into Satanism. And so 0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:54.280 that's when he got into Satanism out here. And what 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:57.800 happened once he got into Satanism he realized that the 0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:00.800 booty and I don't mean you're gluty his Maximus, but 1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:04.080 the stuff he was stealing, all of his uh stolen 1:00:04.120 --> 1:00:07.680 property was getting good and so and that's when he 1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:11.440 started killing, killing because people would resist him. So he 1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:14.320 had the booty was going good. He really got into Satanism. 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:17.439 And but when you stop think about it, because people 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:19.360 ask me, weren't you afraid to go in there and 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:22.360 talk to him? And no, not at all, because he 1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:26.200 was just another human and Satanism is just another form 1:00:26.240 --> 1:00:30.360 of religion. You know, Ted Bundy. People don't realize Ted 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:33.800 Bundy was a Christian, but they don't say, oh, Ted 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:36.280 Bundy's a Christian. But if you had to put satan 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:39.080 you have been studying Satanism, you'd have made him that 1:00:39.240 --> 1:00:43.320 much uglier. And that's what the fear factor for Richard was. 1:00:43.360 --> 1:00:45.640 He's into Satanism and he's killing all these people. He's 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:48.920 the devil. So that's another reason people were so fearful 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:51.320 of him. Do you think if you would have talked 1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:54.200 to him in a different circumstance that you would have 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:57.080 known he was a serial killer by the way that 1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:01.600 he carried on conversation. No, not at all, not at all. 1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:06.880 But he wasn't clean, you know, he smelled right bad team. 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:11.200 What they were smell smelling was the fact just imagine 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:14.800 a locker room at a high school, a football baseball team. 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:16.800 They sweat in their practice gear and they put it 1:01:16.800 --> 1:01:19.080 in the locker and it stinks and by the end 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:20.800 of the wink, you know, by the end of the week, 1:01:21.240 --> 1:01:24.000 stinks to high heaven. He was using what we call 1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:25.960 the kill kids, so the clothes that he'd used to 1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:28.040 go out and killing. When they were done, he put 1:01:28.080 --> 1:01:29.320 him in a bag and put him in a locker 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:33.919 there at the Grayound bus depot, so just smell they cool, 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:38.120 So they were right, you know, So he didn't smell personally. 1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:42.600 And probably the biggest question I get asked on Instagram 1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:44.240 did he really smelled like a goat? Did he have 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:47.479 a breath of a goat? And never smelled it because 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:49.240 by the time we got to him, we had all 1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:53.000 his clothes off him and never did get that smelling. Well, 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:59.920 this episode of the podcast sponsored by Greyhound Bus Stations 1:01:57.360 --> 1:02:03.760 but l advertising. But you know that guy was He 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:05.760 was able to get off the Greyhound in l a 1:02:05.960 --> 1:02:09.440 look into the lobby of where the people are waiting, 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:13.160 identify police officers, and back up and go out where 1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:15.560 the busses are. Like he he would have walked through 1:02:15.560 --> 1:02:17.760 that lobby of that bus people in downtown LA would 1:02:17.760 --> 1:02:20.760 have been arrested, but he could. He noticed police right 1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:24.520 away and then he he didn't going back down and 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:27.040 then he had was able to get away that at 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:29.520 that time. I think he got caught later. But so 1:02:29.600 --> 1:02:32.040 interesting that he ended up getting caught by a mob 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:36.440 of angry civilians. Started with an angry husband. I mean 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:40.760 he turned to car jack his wife. The guy at 1:02:40.760 --> 1:02:44.000 that time, and he's still a good Mexicans and bad Mexicans. 1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:47.520 Good Mexicans all had a two by four baseball bat 1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:50.920 or pipe nearby. The batman's all had guns. And it 1:02:51.040 --> 1:02:53.320 was the good ones that caught him. I mean he 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:54.880 hit the guy in the head with a pipe, gave 1:02:54.920 --> 1:02:57.920 him a couple of blows of the head. Richard at 1:02:57.920 --> 1:03:01.040 this time had been running uh over the ten foot 1:03:01.040 --> 1:03:04.600 sound walls of the five freeway, so across the freeway 1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:08.080 ran a good uh mile and a half two miles 1:03:08.080 --> 1:03:12.080 in a run. And so he's tired. They hit him. 1:03:12.080 --> 1:03:14.360 There was no more fight left in him, was it? 1:03:15.440 --> 1:03:17.680 He just kind of his mistake was to say get 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:19.640 out of the car, bitch, And you call a Mexican 1:03:19.720 --> 1:03:21.440 lady or in a woman a bitch, and the ouzens 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:25.680 around the store for you man hit him with the house. 1:03:25.720 --> 1:03:29.440 They picked up everybody spence what what was loose? So 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:32.720 they put they put up that big like that. Uh 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:35.240 that's metal rod that holes in the fence, and they 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:37.360 just put it up and just dropped it on his head. 1:03:37.880 --> 1:03:41.640 Matter of fact, just about three weeks ago I got 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:43.720 word I was asked to attend, and I did attend 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:47.000 the funeral of one of the participants in his arrest 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:52.520 about three weeks ago, a month ago. With the funeral, Well, 1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:57.280 so do you think that it's fair. I don't even 1:03:57.320 --> 1:03:59.600 know if that's the right word. That he died of lymphoma, 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:03.360 and that he was never executed. Oh, I don't care, 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:07.360 So I put him away. He's in there. I was 1:04:07.400 --> 1:04:10.760 told years ago by by a warden, after seven years 1:04:10.760 --> 1:04:13.880 of being in death row, you go bad ship anyway. 1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:15.920 So I really don't care how he died. I just 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:18.680 know that there's no appeals that I have to go 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:21.560 back to court on. It's over with. It's a done deal. 1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:24.600 And there were people that were upset that he he 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:26.760 only did twenty years and that, and that you didn't 1:04:26.760 --> 1:04:28.240 spend the rest of his life in prison. But like 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:31.000 you know, Gill said, you don't, you know, it's all 1:04:31.000 --> 1:04:34.320 been kind of glamorized, you know, death throw and you know, uh, 1:04:34.680 --> 1:04:37.680 like Scott Peterson and you know those guys over there, 1:04:38.280 --> 1:04:43.400 um that it. It's appealing when it's shown on you 1:04:43.400 --> 1:04:45.240 know Everything A and he's got a crime channel and 1:04:45.280 --> 1:04:49.840 all that. So it's a bit I wasn't appealing, but 1:04:50.240 --> 1:04:52.000 it's not what it's really like to be in there 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:55.960 twenty three hours a day in confinement and you do go, 1:04:56.160 --> 1:05:00.720 you do lose your mind in there. It makes sense. Wow. 1:05:01.560 --> 1:05:04.400 Do you think that the victims of the families feel 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:06.600 like there was an injustice over the fact that he 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:10.560 was not executed immediately. I haven't talked to the family 1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:14.280 members at all, with the exception of one. Uh, the 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:16.720 young girl that was six years old in the documentary. 1:05:16.960 --> 1:05:19.320 She was six years old at the time. She's now 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:24.320 about forty two. We've become friends. Uh. We don't talk 1:05:24.360 --> 1:05:27.760 about the case, and I've never wanted to talk. I've 1:05:27.760 --> 1:05:29.400 never wanted to follow up on any of the children 1:05:29.480 --> 1:05:32.320 that were kidnapped. I never wanted to follow up because 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:36.320 it breaks my heart if they ended up psychologically broken. 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:40.240 So I never wanted to follow up. And even when 1:05:40.240 --> 1:05:43.919 they did the documentary, I told them, I said, I'll 1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:46.000 give you everything I have, or I'll talk you about anything. 1:05:46.040 --> 1:05:48.600 You want to, but don't ask me to give you 1:05:48.640 --> 1:05:51.960 information on the surviving victims. I would never do it 1:05:52.040 --> 1:05:55.600 because I don't want to hear that there traumatized still. 1:05:57.200 --> 1:06:01.040 Sachina Aboa, one of the victims was a CI Muslim. 1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:05.200 She was also a medical doctor and her husband was killed. 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:11.320 She was sexually assaulted, and she was shocked because she 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:15.120 went into uh seclusion for forty days and forty nights, 1:06:15.160 --> 1:06:20.280 which is part of her religion, and she came out 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:23.640 and she couldn't believe that he was still alive because 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:29.640 back in her country, he'd have been dead already. Mm hmm. Okay. Also, 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:35.080 I do have a fascination with the Cecil hotel, and 1:06:35.120 --> 1:06:38.240 they were rumors that he was living there at some point. 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:41.280 Are those rumors true? He stood at the Cecil, he 1:06:41.800 --> 1:06:44.600 stood at skin Road, dives and dumps all around the 1:06:44.640 --> 1:06:49.600 area with her. What is it about that hotel that 1:06:49.840 --> 1:06:54.800 just I mean, it just calls to murderers. I don't know. 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:59.480 They say the same thing about my house because Alexandria 1:06:59.560 --> 1:07:03.960 to UH. That's another one. But I think that you know, 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:08.200 when you when you cater to uh maybe like transience 1:07:08.360 --> 1:07:11.960 and people just going through town, that a lot of times. 1:07:12.000 --> 1:07:13.840 You know, there's people that died in the rooms. There's 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:17.000 people that have murdered people in there. And I think 1:07:17.000 --> 1:07:20.160 that energy that stays in that in that in that room. 1:07:20.240 --> 1:07:24.120 I mean when you when somebody is taken before their time. 1:07:24.960 --> 1:07:28.040 You know, we're big into into hearing things and let 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:32.280 and lower about you know, uh, you know images that 1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:34.640 we see. But I think that that energy of those 1:07:34.640 --> 1:07:36.360 people stay in that hotel. And if you look up 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:38.880 to see so hotel and you look up, like you know, images, 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:41.840 you'll see people that have been captured on the pictures 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:44.600 just kind of hanging out of a window and things 1:07:44.640 --> 1:07:46.920 like that. And and it's all true. All that energy 1:07:47.400 --> 1:07:52.160 is bad energy. And you know that place uh just 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:54.960 catered to that. You know, um that you can get 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:57.120 a room there for nine dollars and nobody really cared 1:07:57.120 --> 1:08:06.480 what you did in that room. I'll do it. The 1:08:06.560 --> 1:08:08.120 lab the girl that they found in the water tank 1:08:08.160 --> 1:08:09.520 and they can't figure out how she would have gotten 1:08:09.520 --> 1:08:11.320 in the water tank and been able to pull the 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:13.160 cover down. I mean, that's that's a big thing too. 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:15.600 I Mean, you know that water was bad and people 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:17.519 were using the water. It's just you know, kind of 1:08:17.560 --> 1:08:21.240 amazing that, you know, hotel so bad that that water 1:08:21.320 --> 1:08:25.040 would be putrid, and everybody's like, you know, don't, don't 1:08:25.040 --> 1:08:29.000 take a shower. But you know, she looked up online 1:08:29.080 --> 1:08:31.479 where to stay cheap and the pictures of it look 1:08:31.680 --> 1:08:34.040 like it's okay, I mean's grand, you know, for for 1:08:34.080 --> 1:08:37.280 the hotel. But it does. It does come, you know 1:08:37.640 --> 1:08:40.320 those I wouldn't stay downtown. It does come with a 1:08:40.320 --> 1:08:45.080 lot of that bad energy. Yeah, the lobby is gorgeous. Yeah, 1:08:46.360 --> 1:08:47.960 but you get a room for nine bucks, You're not 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:50.400 gonna be like complain about the water, Like this is 1:08:50.439 --> 1:08:52.880 what I get for nine dollar room. It's a side 1:08:52.880 --> 1:08:57.240 water for free down there. You know that I believe 1:08:57.360 --> 1:09:00.120 a Lisa Lamb got taken by the elevator game. But 1:09:00.240 --> 1:09:03.760 that's a story for a different day that I get. 1:09:03.800 --> 1:09:07.599 Really she also still thinks Brian Laundry is alive and 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:11.880 he just left his teeth. The new news about Brian 1:09:11.920 --> 1:09:15.000 Laundry really pushed over the edge. Well, you know, I 1:09:15.040 --> 1:09:17.200 get up at three three thirty sometimes in the morning 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:21.120 to maybe using benthroom, and I attempted to do the 1:09:21.120 --> 1:09:23.240 Bloody Mary, the three Bloody Marys. I can only get 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:29.280 one out, like should I do it? Letty Mary? Oh? 1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:32.880 I bet her not. The the other night, at three 1:09:32.880 --> 1:09:36.760 in the morning, I was meditating, I don't know what's 1:09:36.800 --> 1:09:40.559 wrong with me, and all of a sudden, all of 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:44.360 my lights are out. I'm in bed, my laptop in 1:09:44.400 --> 1:09:47.400 the other room. Every single tab that was open on 1:09:47.400 --> 1:09:50.280 my computer started playing at the same time, and I 1:09:50.360 --> 1:09:53.120 was just like, here we go. I guess at the 1:09:53.200 --> 1:09:54.880 beginning of you know, like this is it, this is 1:09:54.920 --> 1:09:57.160 my last I was like, should I live tweet my murder? 1:09:57.200 --> 1:09:59.760 Like I was honestly, I was like, should I go 1:09:59.840 --> 1:10:03.160 live on Instagram? Just let people, you know, say goodbye? 1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:09.120 I don't know what's happening. And that's astro projection. You 1:10:09.240 --> 1:10:13.559 projected your energy into the electronics of the computer, and 1:10:13.920 --> 1:10:17.000 that was your energy doing that. WHOA wait, So are 1:10:17.040 --> 1:10:18.880 you trying to say I'm like super powerful or something. 1:10:20.360 --> 1:10:23.360 You're focusing your energy somewhere and you're meditating or whatever, 1:10:23.400 --> 1:10:26.080 and it would go to something with power, you know, 1:10:26.120 --> 1:10:30.040 something with projection. I can catch a serial killer, but 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:38.479 astro projection would take my ass out of the house. OK. 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:41.559 Just so we're clear, he says. Astro projection is something 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:43.200 that a lot of people can do. It's this is 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:46.080 not you. I don't want to hear bragging rights next 1:10:46.080 --> 1:10:50.120 week on the pod about your astro production. Well, not 1:10:50.240 --> 1:10:52.400 to brag, but I did speak to a psychic at 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:54.840 eight am last Thursday, which is the earliest I've ever 1:10:54.880 --> 1:10:56.760 been awake, So I recorded the whole session just to 1:10:56.760 --> 1:10:59.479 make sure i'd remember it. And she said that my 1:10:59.640 --> 1:11:03.160 grand father likes to turn on lights and electricity to 1:11:03.240 --> 1:11:05.000 let people know he's around. So I actually thought it 1:11:05.040 --> 1:11:07.840 was him, but now that I know it's me, Um, 1:11:07.960 --> 1:11:11.719 thank you, it could be a co h, thank you. 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:14.559 But okay, this is also I guess I have a 1:11:14.560 --> 1:11:16.960 couple we have a final, final couple of questions. But 1:11:17.640 --> 1:11:20.760 you know, there are a lot of psychics who volunteered 1:11:20.760 --> 1:11:26.760 to help find deceased and anyone related to crimes. Do 1:11:26.800 --> 1:11:29.280 you believe that these are real psychics? Do you believe 1:11:29.320 --> 1:11:31.880 that they've this is all I mean? Do you believe 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:38.439 this is real? Let George answer that, Um, I believe 1:11:38.439 --> 1:11:40.160 that their psychics. I'm not sure if the ones helping 1:11:40.160 --> 1:11:42.200 the police are the are the right ones. I think 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:45.840 maybe sometimes they're just almost like people that say they've 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:47.920 committed the crime. You know, they want the attention of it. 1:11:47.960 --> 1:11:51.760 But um, there are some some reputable psychics, some very 1:11:51.840 --> 1:11:56.439 valuable psychics, uh, and psychics, um, but it depends you 1:11:56.479 --> 1:12:00.120 have to have a willing mind. I do believe in 1:12:00.200 --> 1:12:02.559 all of and all of that myself. And even in 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:05.080 this house, there's been things that have happened in this 1:12:05.120 --> 1:12:08.080 house since I've moved in that I have been very 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:13.000 very unusual, super natural in a sense. And uh, I 1:12:13.040 --> 1:12:16.680 had somebody coming clean the house, UH would take a 1:12:16.720 --> 1:12:18.559 lot of stuff up. But this house is from the twenties, 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:23.120 and you know, apparently that some kids lived here and 1:12:23.160 --> 1:12:25.360 they on the other side of the house. Maybe we're 1:12:25.400 --> 1:12:29.320 punished by staying up walking closet and in the attic. 1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:31.200 That's what the woman said. But but you know, I 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:33.920 believe in that. I believe there's an energy around us 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:37.679 and people that have gone but that still are guiding 1:12:37.680 --> 1:12:40.479 people through life. And so George, when are we moving 1:12:44.000 --> 1:12:50.880 in about a year? Depending on this dog. This dog? Okay, 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:53.280 So so we do have to wrap for today. Unfortunately, 1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:55.639 we feel like we could ask you a million more questions, 1:12:55.680 --> 1:12:58.360 but either of you have any final thoughts about life. 1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:05.759 Comedy Prime The Night Stalker left world left with you crying, 1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:10.639 you look like ship. I think people talk themselves out 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:12.559 of good things and bad things in life. And you know, 1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:15.320 as time goes by, you can only be in one 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:17.840 place at one time. Everything becomes a memory, with a 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:20.240 good memory of bad memory. But I think we've all 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:22.640 spent a lot of time either talking ourselves out of 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:27.000 doing things that uh are not in our comfort zone. 1:13:27.200 --> 1:13:29.679 But in the end, when you look back, you only 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:31.880 get a certain amount of time and you can't get 1:13:31.880 --> 1:13:35.920 any back. So to live, to live more open and more. 1:13:35.920 --> 1:13:39.040 I wouldn't say aggressive, but live outside of your comfort 1:13:39.120 --> 1:13:44.320 zone more because in the end it's the end. Much 1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:49.800 according to the ghosts in George's house, I just want 1:13:49.840 --> 1:13:51.679 to go see Chicago the band and I would listen 1:13:51.720 --> 1:13:53.599 to them to Junior had they better around fifty five 1:13:53.680 --> 1:13:57.560 years Yeah, so who's more haunted than that band? I 1:13:57.680 --> 1:14:01.559 think I know? All right, Well, George Gil thank you 1:14:01.640 --> 1:14:04.479 so much for coming on the podcast today. We love 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:06.360 you guys. Oh my god, I thought that was a 1:14:06.360 --> 1:14:09.639 ghost in the background, but it was just another person. 1:14:09.720 --> 1:14:15.439 Oh my god, And I was like, George, he's behind you. Okay, George, 1:14:15.520 --> 1:14:17.200 I gotta tell you real quick. We have a mutual 1:14:17.280 --> 1:14:19.519 friend Dicky Egan. He said to say hello, and he said, 1:14:19.680 --> 1:14:24.920 you're the only reason he's gonna listen to this my podcast. 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:27.040 We met the Celtics and the Lakers and he lost it. 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:28.639 He had to go buy a a laking your hat, 1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:30.200 and the look on his face, I've never seen it. 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:31.880 You could cover him in shit. He wouldn't have that 1:14:31.920 --> 1:14:35.840 same look at his face. You're more or less to 1:14:35.920 --> 1:14:39.559 have to wear that hat. Oh my gosh. All right, well, 1:14:39.600 --> 1:14:43.080 this has been another episode of Real Time Crime. George 1:14:43.160 --> 1:14:45.760 gil Where can we find you on the internet or 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:47.599 is there anything that you want to promote or let 1:14:47.600 --> 1:14:55.479 people know about. I'm just at real Gil careel not mean, 1:14:58.240 --> 1:15:03.120 Oh my god, high podcast. It's hilarious and an informative genius. 1:15:04.080 --> 1:15:05.840 I love you guys so much. This has been an 1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:10.960 amazing episode. I've been Leo Lamar sometimes Dmitri, who's more 1:15:11.000 --> 1:15:13.439 like often times Dmitri these days, and of course we 1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:19.479 have melling camp. I always pause. 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