Speaker 1: Crime and Hello Social Sleuths. Welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of Real Time Crime. I'm Leo Lamar and I have
Speaker 1: with me my amazing co host Patty Mellancam pause, I
Speaker 1: mean without the slight pause? Is it even you? You know?
Speaker 1: And and we've got sometimes Dmitri Hello, Sometimes Hello, it's
Speaker 1: a cute name for you, you guys. Today we've got
Speaker 1: an extra special episode because it'll be be based all
Speaker 1: around our two guests, who I can't wait to bring
Speaker 1: on and introduce. I'm sure you've heard of the infamous
Speaker 1: case of the night Stalker. Well, who better to help
Speaker 1: us uncover all the details of this gruesome case other
Speaker 1: than Gil Coreo, one of the detectives who put him
Speaker 1: behind bars and stars in the Netflix show The night
Speaker 1: Stalker And our dear friend who's also obsessed with true crime,
Speaker 1: the one the only George Lopez. We love comedy, we
Speaker 1: love crime, so to George, so obviously he's a perfect
Speaker 1: fit for this episode. But before we get started today
Speaker 1: and introduced them, let's say hello, Hi, Oh my god, Hi?
Speaker 1: How is everyone? Everyone? I mean? By me? I'm okay.
Speaker 1: I do need to turn my heat off really quick
Speaker 1: in my house hold on Okay, turn that heat off.
Speaker 1: The first crime has been committed to it's too hot
Speaker 1: to hand. Speaking of which, my apartment fire alarm was
Speaker 1: blaring last night. You know, you know how you always
Speaker 1: think like, oh, what if I don't hear the fire alarm. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you'll hear it. You'll hear it. What was happening? I
Speaker 1: saw your instagram was literally Okay, here's the craziest thing.
Speaker 1: The fire alarm was blazing, like you can't hear anything
Speaker 1: else for it feels like you're gonna have your damage.
Speaker 1: That's how loud the sound is. Uh. My male woman
Speaker 1: knocked on the door to deliver a package when this
Speaker 1: it's going on, and I was like, oh, I think
Speaker 1: we need to get out of the building, and she's
Speaker 1: and then she just wanted to have a full on conversation.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is how starved for human connection
Speaker 1: everyone is that while the building might be burning down,
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, but could we just chat real quick?
Speaker 1: Like can we chat outside? Maybe? Yeah? She's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because when I was just down a couple
Speaker 1: of doors, I feel like I saw some smaller was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's leave the building. I don't it was. It was
Speaker 1: last night she was delivering a package. That see if
Speaker 1: if if this alarm was going off really loud and
Speaker 1: someone knocks and says I have a package, I would
Speaker 1: have gone full crime on that one. Maybe she wasn't
Speaker 1: even a real post office worker and they were this
Speaker 1: is a long con to just get me out of
Speaker 1: my apartment to bug it, you know, because I'm definitely
Speaker 1: wanted by the CIA. I think if the CIA needed anything,
Speaker 1: they could get it from your Instagram. I don't think
Speaker 1: they need to bug your apartment. Who am I aunt? Alvi? Um? Hilarious? Okay. Also,
Speaker 1: I've just noticed my hair is so odd. But it's
Speaker 1: just like this is who I am, and I there's
Speaker 1: nothing I can do about it. Okay anyway, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I was sitting in my car outside my building
Speaker 1: for hours last night, just watching the fire department go
Speaker 1: in and out of the building. But you know, um
Speaker 1: what happened? What was? So don't leave his hanging. I
Speaker 1: never got any information, and it was so odd because
Speaker 1: they kept circling my building, going in and coming out.
Speaker 1: So I was like, did you chat up any fireman?
Speaker 1: You know? Me? I have a feeling I like you
Speaker 1: know what else is on fire? Oh? Is that a
Speaker 1: dad joke? Ye, Dmitri, I don't have any STDs. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I have a really big crime to report. Please tell us.
Speaker 1: I broke my nail and I don't know how I
Speaker 1: did it, so I feel like someone's out to get me.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Gil gets solve this crime. Gil, can
Speaker 1: you get on the case because it really hurts and
Speaker 1: you don't know how. Like you woke up and it
Speaker 1: was broken. Yeah, I woke up and it was broken,
Speaker 1: and then I had to of course finish the job.
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know if I'm now compliant
Speaker 1: with a crime. I don't know. Well, you tampered with evidence,
Speaker 1: the fingerprints on your fingerprint? You but I almost didn't
Speaker 1: come to the pod today because I was so revved
Speaker 1: that now I'm this is me. Do you think someone
Speaker 1: came into your bedroom at night while you were sleeping
Speaker 1: and ripped your finger nail? Probably it's likely the male
Speaker 1: woman that was at your place probably came to mind
Speaker 1: after she has something play the tapes. Did you find
Speaker 1: the piece of it? It wasn't around, It was not around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I could. I did have a kind of
Speaker 1: an eventful night last night. Okay, go on the Big Brother. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what happened? So? Um, I had a choice. I
Speaker 1: could when I voted the person voted to keep the
Speaker 1: person to stay. I had the option of just you know,
Speaker 1: being cool. But but I didn't I take that option.
Speaker 1: I took the other option of like being kind of
Speaker 1: a douche. Shocking. But he was not that great, so
Speaker 1: I had to give him a little I had to
Speaker 1: give him a little upper cut. So, if we're honest,
Speaker 1: America hates Toddrick. Yeah, and now there's all these memes
Speaker 1: of me because I refused to go over and give
Speaker 1: him a hug when everybody like came out and gave hug,
Speaker 1: so that it's just like me standing and they're like,
Speaker 1: this is how much I give. I was like, how
Speaker 1: can you come a hug to somebody after you just
Speaker 1: said you don't like them? I can't do it. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you standing your ground and being authentic, but it
Speaker 1: is interesting that you woke up without a fingernail. Now, karmically,
Speaker 1: maybe it was Doddreck. He was like that seem like
Speaker 1: a crime he would commit to get her nailed. Damn
Speaker 1: All right, Well, uh I now I have a sneaky
Speaker 1: suspicion that the case that we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: today that you think he's hot. You know what's so
Speaker 1: funny is I literally said, Leah, don't tell them you
Speaker 1: think he's hot and playing the odds. But to some
Speaker 1: women that hot. You know a lot of women hit
Speaker 1: him up in jail. He even got married when he
Speaker 1: was at jail. I know a lot of them like
Speaker 1: it's a jail, that's jail's Instagram handle at jail. I
Speaker 1: wonder if that's taken anyway, Um, okay, Well, as you
Speaker 1: all know, one of our amazing guests today is the
Speaker 1: incredible George Lopez. George has had a very multifaceted career
Speaker 1: which encompasses TV, film, stand up, late night television. He
Speaker 1: actually just started shooting the pilot for his upcoming NBC
Speaker 1: comedy Lopez Versus Lopez, featuring his real life daughter, and
Speaker 1: it's a sit coment about a blue collar family set
Speaker 1: to premiere in George. More importantly, you guys know this
Speaker 1: about him already, but I'm just going to tell you again. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he broke ground in stand up comedy for Latin comics
Speaker 1: by embracing his ethnicity and confronting racial stereotypes head on.
Speaker 1: I love watching George on stage. He's absolutely hilarious. He's
Speaker 1: currently performing stand up in arenas across the country on
Speaker 1: his Oh My God High Comedy Tour, which is also
Speaker 1: the name of his podcast. His original comedy special We'll
Speaker 1: Do It for Half for Netflix, premiered globally in the
Speaker 1: summer of and prior to that, he joined Eddie Griffin
Speaker 1: Dale Hughley Cedric the entertainer on stage for the comedy
Speaker 1: get Down, which inspired a scripted comedy series based on
Speaker 1: the tour for b Et. You already know him. He's
Speaker 1: a legend, a living legend. He is a star. We
Speaker 1: are so grateful to have him here. And his connection
Speaker 1: to our next guest is that sometimes this guest is
Speaker 1: often featured on George's podcast, Oh My God High. It's
Speaker 1: a weekly podcast featuring surprise celebrity guest listener Collins, stories
Speaker 1: of George's haunted house, hot takes, and more. And I've
Speaker 1: actually been on their podcast, which is how I know them.
Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful because Gil Courier, he is a
Speaker 1: retired police officer and he was the patrol officer of
Speaker 1: the l a p d in nine and he served
Speaker 1: for thirty eight years. Oh my god, this man is
Speaker 1: again living legends. We've got on today. He investigated seven
Speaker 1: to eight hundred murders and was promoted to lieutenant of
Speaker 1: the l A County Sheriff's Homicide Bureau. So he was
Speaker 1: also Netflix's star of the TV show night Stalker. The
Speaker 1: Hunt for the serial killer also completely centralized around him
Speaker 1: and his partner Frank Salerno, and they investigated the case
Speaker 1: of the famous serial killer Richard Ramirez. So you already
Speaker 1: know about this serial killer if you're listening to this
Speaker 1: podcast because you're obsessed with true crime. But if you
Speaker 1: haven't watched the Netflix show yet, there's a four part series.
Speaker 1: It's a documentary many series about the nights Stalker. You
Speaker 1: should go watch it because it is quite excellent. And
Speaker 1: by excellent I mean gruesome and terrifying and deeply disturbing.
Speaker 1: But it's well produced and Leah is actually the woman
Speaker 1: that was married to the night Stalker. I'm Dorene and
Speaker 1: I just say, every time you said the title of
Speaker 1: George Lopez's podcast, you said, oh my god, high Teddy
Speaker 1: was looking at her notes, And every time you said
Speaker 1: it she shot up and looked at thinking. Both times,
Speaker 1: I was like, what you're like, Oh my god. Hi,
Speaker 1: She's like like someone was on the screen. I think
Speaker 1: fast today, like whip whipping around fast. Listen, we get
Speaker 1: you're operating on nine nails. I mean, when you only
Speaker 1: have nine nails, there's not a lot you can function
Speaker 1: with when. Yeah, so would you say you had a
Speaker 1: lot of espresso today or not as much espresso today? None?
Speaker 1: Because days after I make bad decisions, I don't like
Speaker 1: to have caffeine because decision did you make? No, I mean,
Speaker 1: not not bad decisions, but when when when I'm heavy
Speaker 1: in the social media world and I got like, I
Speaker 1: don't like to take Yeah, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys have noticed, but my Instagram has been changing recently.
Speaker 1: We hadn't noticed. Hold on what's going on. I'm just
Speaker 1: popping off, really sharing with the world who I am,
Speaker 1: whether or not I should do that. So we are
Speaker 1: extremely fortunate to have on one of the detectives who
Speaker 1: brought the serial killer Richard Ramirez to justice, and that's
Speaker 1: Gil Curio and of course our true crime obsessed king
Speaker 1: of comedy, George Lopez. All Right, so we've already kind
Speaker 1: of briefed our audience about the night Stalker case, obviously,
Speaker 1: and we have so many questions for you guys today.
Speaker 1: And before we get into the nitty gritty of the
Speaker 1: case and any of that, let's take it back two seconds, George,
Speaker 1: real fast. How did the idea for the Oh My
Speaker 1: God High podcast come about? Uh? You know, I know,
Speaker 1: I've been asked to do some podcast on Spotify. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say names Spotify. And then the guy
Speaker 1: was trying to like walk me through how to interview
Speaker 1: people and how to do stuff. And we had like
Speaker 1: seven shows in the can, you know, and I had
Speaker 1: the talk show for a couple of years and you know,
Speaker 1: the other show for twenty shows, and I'm like, is
Speaker 1: this guy trying to tell me how to like talk
Speaker 1: and how to relate and things. So that that went away,
Speaker 1: and then I wasn't really sure about getting back into it,
Speaker 1: and all things comedy with Bill Burn and those guys
Speaker 1: and everybody being so great were there. I thought I
Speaker 1: would tried, and I tried it with a friend of
Speaker 1: mine and that became more of just like almost a
Speaker 1: whipping boy, you know, commedially, and then when Gil came in, uh,
Speaker 1: Bobby Lee was in and Gil just you know, had
Speaker 1: this great laugh and you know he has great stories
Speaker 1: of his own, you know, family, and I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: the dude was in Vietnam. Like, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to drive if it's drizzling, to not get my
Speaker 1: car with this dude was in Vietnam. So to me,
Speaker 1: that ranks above all else. I mean, I've been in
Speaker 1: disney Land with my feet heard and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: I can't take another minute of it. And it was
Speaker 1: a Vietna So when it's cold and you're you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gotta get inside. Let's started getting really when they
Speaker 1: was in Vietnam. So anybody that's in Vietnam and still
Speaker 1: can laugh and enjoy life that much is he's got
Speaker 1: a seat next to me. And it just really changed,
Speaker 1: you know. And the fact that when and be Real
Speaker 1: from Cyper still was in and I knew that if
Speaker 1: he was gonna smoke, we Gil would probably leave the room.
Speaker 1: So fortunately those guys got to Oh my God high
Speaker 1: an hour earlier and just burning in the car. And
Speaker 1: if I didn't know it was in the car, I
Speaker 1: probably would have called because I was an electrical premetrical
Speaker 1: fire in this car wiring. The smoke was just coming
Speaker 1: out of the tops of the windows. You're like, man,
Speaker 1: that dude's dashboard is on, Eric is on the computer
Speaker 1: shorted out and those dudes come in so high. And
Speaker 1: I had done the real showing. And I don't really smoke,
Speaker 1: but I do I will if they're doing it. And
Speaker 1: I can't remember what I said. I just know that
Speaker 1: it took me fourteen minutes to get home from downtown.
Speaker 1: And Gil's just been the greatest to to to go
Speaker 1: back and forth with, and the fact that he can
Speaker 1: remember dates like nobody's business, and his his answers are honest,
Speaker 1: and you know, one of his own guys shot at
Speaker 1: one time. How can you not enjoy stories about one
Speaker 1: of your own guys shooting at you. Wow, that's that's
Speaker 1: all right, So we're not messing with Gil. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: how did you guys meet? Well, you know, the nights.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I became a fan of of
Speaker 1: of crime. I was telling them. I was like, George
Speaker 1: is a massive true crime fan, and I was in
Speaker 1: your podcast. You knew every detail about every case. You know,
Speaker 1: And the validation for my time and crime comes with
Speaker 1: Jeff Garen is a writer who did the last book
Speaker 1: on Charles Manson, and he was interviewing Manson about a
Speaker 1: year before he died, and he said to me, you know, Charles,
Speaker 1: how do you spend your days? You know? Now he goes, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I love music, and I listened to classic rock,
Speaker 1: and I love Frank Sinatra and John Wayne and George Lopez.
Speaker 1: So listen, if Charles Manson can feel it, I'm with it.
Speaker 1: Like somebody said, go see him, I'm like, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll stop off at bill Is on the way back, Like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm not going over there. You crazy. So
Speaker 1: it's just like that stuff. And then you know when
Speaker 1: I was in Milwaukee in the nineties when they caught
Speaker 1: dom you know, I landed at the Milwaukee airport and
Speaker 1: they're like, what time does the show? It's like two
Speaker 1: hours away, all right, so let's go stop where Dominant
Speaker 1: lived in the party and it hadn't been torn down yet.
Speaker 1: But at the part, I mean just it's just awful.
Speaker 1: I find I find a tremendous waste of good energy.
Speaker 1: You know, I won't go see where my daughter lives,
Speaker 1: but I'll go see where Jeffrey dahmerts I haven't been
Speaker 1: to my daughter's house once you've been there for two years,
Speaker 1: she's like four miles away. That's because when so when
Speaker 1: someone says have you ever been there? Have you ever
Speaker 1: seen that, you want to be like, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I've been there, but no one. You know, the chance
Speaker 1: of someone be like, hey, have you ever seen your
Speaker 1: daughter's place? No, they assume that you have. But if
Speaker 1: someone says, you see where Jeffrey Hmer there and listen,
Speaker 1: if my daughter put police taper around the apartment, I'm
Speaker 1: sure I'd be there in two minutes. Me too. Actually,
Speaker 1: so sorry, so we still don't know how you met
Speaker 1: besides your love of true crime. He came in. You know,
Speaker 1: the night Stocker documentary was I guess the year ago January,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know it was highly tout and you know,
Speaker 1: I think four episodes and I watched it. I worked
Speaker 1: in north Warde at that time. And then you know,
Speaker 1: Gil was the guy that you know, he shines in
Speaker 1: that thing like he thought that it was just one
Speaker 1: person wh everybody thought it was true. So then I
Speaker 1: reached out to I think moments here, and then he
Speaker 1: got me Gil's number and I called him and I
Speaker 1: think his wife answered. I said, as girl there, who's this?
Speaker 1: Says George Lopez silence, and she I think she hung up,
Speaker 1: and uh I didn't called back for a long time,
Speaker 1: and then I got a text saying, hey, man, I
Speaker 1: got a call from here like three weeks ago. Who
Speaker 1: is this? You know that? So then I we finally talked. Cute.
Speaker 1: I love that. Well Mexicans, I mean we're gonna meet
Speaker 1: eventually right there there that cemetery, let's the resurrection cemetery
Speaker 1: or that or the baby does above it or baby does.
Speaker 1: I mean Mexican jew and Jews are just the same
Speaker 1: in that way. You know, I'm like, I think we're
Speaker 1: all family. Honestly, you can't get buried in a Mexican
Speaker 1: cemetery unless you have tattoos opposite for Jews. Okay, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm hogging the mic, but um so, if
Speaker 1: anyone else wants to hop in, we get along. You know,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you know, you meet
Speaker 1: a guy and you feel like you've known him a
Speaker 1: long time, so you know, it's an interesting dynamic. And
Speaker 1: you know, for one thing for the podcast is like
Speaker 1: I don't really listen to them, and I don't really
Speaker 1: kind of go over them or critique m I just
Speaker 1: do them, you know, because it's the freest way to
Speaker 1: talk um in in all of the things that I do,
Speaker 1: like in stand up You're gonna piss somebody off, and
Speaker 1: then secret Service at my house, and then in all
Speaker 1: those things people get upset and and uh, people about
Speaker 1: the secret service story. Oh man, I need to know. Now.
Speaker 1: I go to Cedric. I take Cedric and his family
Speaker 1: to chateau like early January, maybe like two years ago,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at my Look at your phone, Look
Speaker 1: at my phone. When I get in the car, and
Speaker 1: it says that allegedly the leader of I Ran had
Speaker 1: offered a bounty on our former leader and it was
Speaker 1: eighty million dollars alleged. And then on the way back,
Speaker 1: after a couple of mimosas and and some dumb I wrote,
Speaker 1: we'll do it for half. And it turned the whole
Speaker 1: world upside down. And they, you know, they just look
Speaker 1: for anything, you know. Somebody said, you know, hey, when
Speaker 1: you're swimming with sharks, don't bleed because I'll attack you.
Speaker 1: That was years ago, and it's true, Like if you're
Speaker 1: in that rare fight air and you and they want you,
Speaker 1: and if you do something like that, you're you're allowing
Speaker 1: everybody to kind of go after you. So it's true.
Speaker 1: And then I watched you know, uh Fox, and they
Speaker 1: sent me things from Fox News wants to know what
Speaker 1: I what I meant and you know, listen to show.
Speaker 1: But they came down to the house and they said,
Speaker 1: do you think that was funny? And I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I think when I did it, I thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: But right now with you guys in fund of the
Speaker 1: CIA has no sense of humor. You know, they don't
Speaker 1: want to drink coffee or water. You know, it's like,
Speaker 1: what do you think I want to put something? You know?
Speaker 1: You know. So so if they just were all business
Speaker 1: and and for people that like, you're not trying to
Speaker 1: tell my daughter everybody that's on social you're always sound
Speaker 1: old when you say I try to tell my daughter.
Speaker 1: But everything that we put on social media they have
Speaker 1: and they know, and they they they darsier. Were you like, hey,
Speaker 1: just once I can we go live? No? Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: that we weren't gonna go live, wasn't. The question that
Speaker 1: really got me was do you have any weapons in
Speaker 1: the house? And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was the one that got me
Speaker 1: too many weapons in the house. On the way out,
Speaker 1: they were like, hey man, we loved your special. Do
Speaker 1: you have a favor both of you guys? Do you
Speaker 1: all have a favorite crime? Favorite crime? He's like, what
Speaker 1: is wrong with the favorite for a living? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't look up any of this stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: I did it for a living. Uh, George, I'm fast
Speaker 1: by how much George really knows and follows. I was
Speaker 1: on the podcast with him one time and I mentioned
Speaker 1: the fact that I was asked to consult on the
Speaker 1: b t K Killer, and as soon as I said
Speaker 1: b t K, he said Dennis Raider. I didn't remember
Speaker 1: Dennis Raider's name. I don't remember half this stuff because
Speaker 1: to me, it's a job. I'm not keeping it in there.
Speaker 1: He's he's studied it, he's done it all, and he's
Speaker 1: fascinated by it. So I don't. I don't. My favorite
Speaker 1: crime in Canada would be Russell Williams, and then my
Speaker 1: favorite crime in in California would be Manson, and then
Speaker 1: I would probably go b t K in which it's all.
Speaker 1: I was a Dahmer in Milwaukee. I would go up
Speaker 1: into this Sacramento, California that was buried one Corona who
Speaker 1: was burying migrant workers. No wonder. You know the lettuce
Speaker 1: didn't get picked one year and they go, where's all
Speaker 1: the guys I used to work here? Killed them all?
Speaker 1: Sen killed like thirty thirty migrant farmworkers and buried him
Speaker 1: into the with a great name. That name up one
Speaker 1: Corona is a great name. You just rattled those off,
Speaker 1: those crimes off like it was an ESPN fantasy rankings.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, you know, the Lakers haven't been good
Speaker 1: in ten years, so I got to focused by time
Speaker 1: somewhere else. I've never even read the book on the
Speaker 1: Night Starker Kate. You know there's a book written and
Speaker 1: I helped part of the invest I've never read that.
Speaker 1: He's he's a reader, he's a student. He's good. If
Speaker 1: I had known this, I'd have been going to him
Speaker 1: for consulting you. No name. I testified in the Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson trial. Wait, what, here's my that's Tom Mezzero standing
Speaker 1: that guy that looks like the nutcracker sitting down as
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, and then the one that looked like Mario
Speaker 1: Lopez had to go to court. I looked at made
Speaker 1: me much younger. And then the Rodney selling, I think
Speaker 1: that is amazing. George is holding up a painting. It
Speaker 1: is like a like a Bob Ross style painting, like
Speaker 1: very well done of a courtroom scene and it's the
Speaker 1: artist of artists of all crime that you know, you
Speaker 1: don't know cameras and he was there and he drew
Speaker 1: that for me and gave it to me, like to
Speaker 1: what extent were you testifying? You know, Uh, the Laft
Speaker 1: factory had this, and you know this is that's how
Speaker 1: something can go sideways. The last factory had comedy camp
Speaker 1: for kids that were under privilege, and I got the
Speaker 1: Latino kids. I got the Arvizo family and Jamie Fox
Speaker 1: did it and Leno, Chris Tucker, myself, Arsenio and that
Speaker 1: family was the family that accused Michael Jackson of the
Speaker 1: two thousand five trial. So that kid left his wallet
Speaker 1: at my house. I took him to go eat and
Speaker 1: just got out of the hospital. I took him to
Speaker 1: go eat. And then when I got back, my wife
Speaker 1: when I was married, and said, you know, Gavin left
Speaker 1: his wallet in here, and I opened the wallet he
Speaker 1: had fifty dollar billion there, and I'm like, wh why
Speaker 1: does this kid have fifty our billionaire? You know, it's
Speaker 1: like poor and uh. Allegedly Michael Jennison gave him the fifty,
Speaker 1: but then also the father when I took the wallet
Speaker 1: back to the laugh Factory, claimed that I had taken
Speaker 1: three out of there, so which was not true, and
Speaker 1: Tom Ezerro used that as the defense, like the button
Speaker 1: in his opening argument. So I was walking in New York.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go do Regis and Cathy or Katie whoever,
Speaker 1: and I walked by. I was watching Court TV, and
Speaker 1: I said, God, that guy looks like a lot like me,
Speaker 1: and I that that is me. And it said said
Speaker 1: to be to be subpoena that this weekend, if not today,
Speaker 1: and to testifying the trial. And I said, well, how
Speaker 1: would you like to get your subpoena in person? Or
Speaker 1: should you have episode that my lawyer when it got
Speaker 1: it delivered to him. I would have loved if it
Speaker 1: was delibered you while you were filming Regis. That would
Speaker 1: have been amazing. I wish, I wish I would have
Speaker 1: taken the three hundred, could have offset the seventy thousand
Speaker 1: it cost me to hire a lawyer ring to fly up.
Speaker 1: How about your like, what what's this kid doing with
Speaker 1: fifty bucks? And then they're like, well there was three
Speaker 1: D and the right what are you doing with three hundred? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So you know that, I mean just being around that.
Speaker 1: I mean I've been around some crazy things in my life.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been around um, you know I was.
Speaker 1: I played golf with o J after he got out.
Speaker 1: I was on the freeway when he went by that
Speaker 1: that afternoon, I was going down coming in a magic store.
Speaker 1: It took me to twenty minutes to get from Sherman
Speaker 1: Oaks to her most of the beach and I got
Speaker 1: out stage and I said, hey, let's let out every
Speaker 1: Friday because there was no traffic. All right, I've said enough. Wow.
Speaker 1: Gil has a look on He's like, you know, crime
Speaker 1: is not funny. He looks like he's like, I'm fascinating.
Speaker 1: My job is just to set here, watch, listen, laugh. Uh.
Speaker 1: He fascinates me. I gotta say, Gil, your your name
Speaker 1: and Frank Sillerno. Anytime I listened to something about, you know,
Speaker 1: crime in the eighties and Los Angeles, those are the
Speaker 1: names that come up. You guys did a bang up job.
Speaker 1: Like every time there was like a serial killer that
Speaker 1: was that was caught, you guys were right there behind it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's really all the people involved, everybody around us.
Speaker 1: Somebody gets to sign the handle on it, but it's
Speaker 1: it's a team, and I was surrounded by heroes. Oh
Speaker 1: that's nice. A lot of the stuff I've heard was like, oh,
Speaker 1: no one thought this, no one gave an extra but
Speaker 1: then it was it was Gilbert and and Frank that thought, no, no,
Speaker 1: there's something more to this. So it sounds like you guys,
Speaker 1: and I know you you definitely seem too modest to
Speaker 1: take this, but I'm just gonna finish it off, is
Speaker 1: that it seems like you guys were the ones that
Speaker 1: always thought things through and and did the final steps.
Speaker 1: Are the extra steps that led to a lot of
Speaker 1: those captures. Thank you. Then, and then ended up on
Speaker 1: the George Wolf Oh my God I podcast. So where
Speaker 1: did if Richard Ramirez handn't gone to the dentist? How
Speaker 1: much longer do you think he would have been out there? Guilt?
Speaker 1: We said when he hit in the mission vehicle, we'd
Speaker 1: have him within two weeks, and we had no idea
Speaker 1: who we was yet, but we thought we'd have within
Speaker 1: two weeks. And today that they released his name, we said,
Speaker 1: give us twenty four hours, and you know, hindsight. Uh,
Speaker 1: they released his name because they had to, and I
Speaker 1: understand why, and he was caught. The next point, what
Speaker 1: do you think the fascination is with women who want
Speaker 1: to marry serial killers once they're in jail. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. He had some gorgeous, beautiful, well one would
Speaker 1: call sexy he and then he up marrying one of
Speaker 1: the ones that attractive den But she she she thought
Speaker 1: he was innocent. That's what she says. I never spoke
Speaker 1: with her. I don't care. It's bizarre, Like, didn't somebody
Speaker 1: married Kenny Bianci right, one of the Hillside stranglers, and
Speaker 1: then they like committed a crime, a murder for him
Speaker 1: to prove that it wasn't him because he was behind
Speaker 1: bars at that time or something. It's insane. Yes, And
Speaker 1: this is I know this is a little awkward because
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know that. Leah. Anytime
Speaker 1: there's a serial killer that we talked about, Lee is like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's hot always. She has like a fascination. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe you're just not that picky leat. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: seen my list of men that I've dated, so I
Speaker 1: probably am not that picky. But I do think in
Speaker 1: a different alternate to mention a different timeline, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he was he could have been like a
Speaker 1: model Ali and needs She's fine as long as a
Speaker 1: guy either has a mug shot or a head shot.
Speaker 1: And she said like she's like, this is my guy.
Speaker 1: But those are so deviant though, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: to think that a woman would be like that's my guy,
Speaker 1: all right to him, and you know they you all
Speaker 1: said there was some women that would sit in court
Speaker 1: and you know, he'd wear his classes and he kind
Speaker 1: of look over his shouldren go like that, and he
Speaker 1: was just moving these women, Like even women that were
Speaker 1: lawyers would go in there and sit there and watch
Speaker 1: him like I guess he was. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he what that magnetism is, but even everybody I think
Speaker 1: involved with the case said that that if you laid
Speaker 1: eyes on that dude, like he was magnetic, you know, like,
Speaker 1: umguil right, he was kind of you had something. Everybody
Speaker 1: would say something see something different. Some women Sophie Dickman,
Speaker 1: who testified at the age of sixty five, as five
Speaker 1: victims said, he was quite a handsome young man, you know,
Speaker 1: so he had chisel look to him. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't not my type. Do you think it's a
Speaker 1: fascination of like wanting to change somebody and thinking you'd
Speaker 1: be capable to do that, or do you think it's
Speaker 1: like we were saying, because he's has fame. Or there
Speaker 1: was one follower, a little Filipino young lady went every
Speaker 1: day to the preliminary hearing and then she'd go visit
Speaker 1: him in the jail constantly. After the case was over,
Speaker 1: I was talking to him and I said, rich, whatever
Speaker 1: happened to Bernadad? And he said, ah, she's come by.
Speaker 1: But she was trying to talk uh to go back
Speaker 1: into Catholicism, get back into Christianity, get back into God,
Speaker 1: I said, And he said, oh, no, it didn't work.
Speaker 1: And I heard because I had taught her into doing porno,
Speaker 1: so he hear into doing porno and she wanted him
Speaker 1: to go back in the church. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: At one time he asked me, why do you think
Speaker 1: I am the way I am? And the same answer
Speaker 1: is just like, why did these ladies do it? I
Speaker 1: have no idea a doctor would give you an answer
Speaker 1: to that. And they get paid a lot more money
Speaker 1: than I did as a cop. And he never showed
Speaker 1: any remorse practice. He showed remorse for one victim, one
Speaker 1: victim only, and after he kidnapped a tenure a little
Speaker 1: girl and let her go, after this case is all over,
Speaker 1: what we're talking to me. The only thing he was
Speaker 1: remorseful about, besides the one teenage girl, that he had
Speaker 1: assaulted a little ten year old girl. And he wasn't
Speaker 1: sorry for her. He was sad. He was sad and
Speaker 1: because a little puppy got out when he took the girl,
Speaker 1: and he was concerned for the puppy. Didn't know if
Speaker 1: the puppy had made it home. Wow, But you know
Speaker 1: I worked in I worked in the valley in north
Speaker 1: Ridge around that time, and you know, no social media, remember,
Speaker 1: no phones and and nothing. So um when he was
Speaker 1: out there and he was hitting in the valley and
Speaker 1: around north Ridge, and when you would leave working and
Speaker 1: start the sun would start to go down. You could
Speaker 1: feel in the air that tension of this guy being
Speaker 1: out there and not and not getting caught yet and
Speaker 1: in that area, and I mean, I've never felt it
Speaker 1: in any other part time of be living out here,
Speaker 1: but in north Ridge in the mid eighties. There when
Speaker 1: that guy was on the loose, you could feel the tension.
Speaker 1: You could see people going home, you could see the
Speaker 1: streets with less cars on him, and that guy would
Speaker 1: still hit like it's like you you're expecting me to
Speaker 1: do it, and he still did it. And then it
Speaker 1: made the next time even even worse like that, just
Speaker 1: it was no but no one was out when he
Speaker 1: was out there. How common is it that a serial
Speaker 1: killer doesn't have a type? This was What he was
Speaker 1: doing was quite uncommon. A matter of fact, nobody had
Speaker 1: been in criminal history had been documented doing what he
Speaker 1: was doing. The several different methods of this modus operandi,
Speaker 1: the method of his operation, from the way he killed
Speaker 1: him and to what are his victims were, And so
Speaker 1: normally everybody sticks to a certain type. This guy went
Speaker 1: was all over the place. So the only pattern was
Speaker 1: that he were the obvious shoes. His only consistency was
Speaker 1: his inconsistency. He wore the via shoe up until a
Speaker 1: favorite senator went public with the shoe shoe information, at
Speaker 1: which time he from over the Golden gate Bridge and
Speaker 1: change shoes, went to a stadia as opposed to the via.
Speaker 1: And and that how important was it? I can tell
Speaker 1: you without equivocation that on January nine, five, one thousand,
Speaker 1: three D fifty six Pairer model for forty avias entered
Speaker 1: the United States from Taiwan through New York, of which
Speaker 1: six pair ended up in the state of California, with
Speaker 1: one pair ended up the city Los Angeles. So that
Speaker 1: was almost as good as a fingerprint, right, And so
Speaker 1: he'd been wearing gloves the whole time, so that one
Speaker 1: fingerprint was the only fingerprint he left. Right. He wore gloves,
Speaker 1: either cheap gloves, gardening gloves, or even socks. He just
Speaker 1: put socks on his hands. He did leave a print.
Speaker 1: We found an old case June night four and uh
Speaker 1: Jenny Vinkow, which was an l ap D case. He
Speaker 1: had a live print. But back in nineteen four and
Speaker 1: eighty five, fingerprints weren't automated, with the exception of felons,
Speaker 1: so he had never had a felony conviction, so they
Speaker 1: weren't They were of the computers, and so fingerprints didn't
Speaker 1: mean it. But he left the fingerprint on a car,
Speaker 1: and he left the fingerprint at the residents of Jenny Vinko.
Speaker 1: How did you end up getting involved in the case
Speaker 1: in the first place? But was it by location or
Speaker 1: back then in the old days we used to wear beepers.
Speaker 1: I was on all I knew. I was up. People
Speaker 1: went off then forty March seventeen uh and they said Europe,
Speaker 1: you got a murder, and it was That's where I went.
Speaker 1: And then you started linking stuff together and just get going.
Speaker 1: You got a U up page. No, I just got up.
Speaker 1: You know you're on call. You got your murderer. What
Speaker 1: number murder was that? That was the first one in
Speaker 1: the modern series. And we say modern because we did
Speaker 1: find the one L A p D. During the investigations.
Speaker 1: We got this murder over here that occurred of Jenny
Speaker 1: Vincow in June of eighty four, and that was out
Speaker 1: of Northeast Division. And I said, just hold on to it,
Speaker 1: and he says, we have a live print, but we
Speaker 1: can't make it. We've run it, nothing, no hits on it.
Speaker 1: I will just hold onto the case until after we
Speaker 1: solve ours and once we have somebody in custody then
Speaker 1: we'll match the prints. And it turned out of what
Speaker 1: same guy? Wow, So you mentioned that the with the
Speaker 1: sneakers and then somebody let that out and then it
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I understand. That's why you guys
Speaker 1: keep so much information close to the vest. Is that
Speaker 1: because if something gets out, then they can react to that.
Speaker 1: Was there ever one when you thought you were like
Speaker 1: real close and and somebody like information leaked and it
Speaker 1: completely derailed the case. Yeah, that's the nice one. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that's exactly why we keep some information on the news.
Speaker 1: I watched people today. Uh the georgiall call me. I
Speaker 1: don't know, they'll call me and he calls me names
Speaker 1: all the time. But uh, the actor that just shot
Speaker 1: somebody on the movie set. Okay, Now, the police officers
Speaker 1: and charged over there. They were given an awful lot
Speaker 1: of information and you can tell they're not used to
Speaker 1: dealing with high profile cases. So the less contact you
Speaker 1: have with the press, the more information you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna leak out. During this case, the chief of police
Speaker 1: Monterey Park let out the on the Joyce Nelson murder
Speaker 1: or Dot William and Emily Dot Uh the blood Curtly
Speaker 1: calls you listen to the news, and they always put
Speaker 1: out these calls because that gets people to watch their news. Well,
Speaker 1: that was the last time Richard ever left the phone intact.
Speaker 1: He once it went out publicly. From that point on,
Speaker 1: he disabled every phone in the house. So they follow.
Speaker 1: You better believe that these serial killers are following the
Speaker 1: news just like we are. Do you think they get
Speaker 1: off on seeing themselves in the news As an example,
Speaker 1: it's definitely to quote Richard, I've got an ego that
Speaker 1: will fill this filled this room, but I can tell
Speaker 1: you everything about the time that Romans fed the Christians
Speaker 1: to the Alliance to modernate serial killers, which was yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, No, that was it. You just had a
Speaker 1: big That's why I was disappointed, because the night Stalker
Speaker 1: is a is a for all you know, in tense purposes,
Speaker 1: a pretty cool title. But my understanding, and correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, is that he originally they called him
Speaker 1: the screen door Intruder. They had several names from it,
Speaker 1: and we didn't. The law enforcement doesn't make up the names.
Speaker 1: That's the local media that makes up names. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, screw him. I wish I wish he had
Speaker 1: been stuck with that one rather than getting a cool
Speaker 1: one the screen door intruder like yeah, yeah, or a mosquito.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, it's interesting he would wear sunglasses in
Speaker 1: the courtroom. How did they even allow that? Well they did.
Speaker 1: They try to take him, get him to take him off,
Speaker 1: and he didn't want to judlin him do it. He
Speaker 1: just makes him look so much cooler though he was.
Speaker 1: He thought he was cool. People obviously thought he was cool.
Speaker 1: It looks like he just had a really fun night
Speaker 1: in Vegas and came to court looked like a Miami
Speaker 1: dope dealers. You know. One of my one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things about that document is he's he is tied
Speaker 1: up at the waist and the prosecutor is talking about
Speaker 1: him to him and and you know, really in in
Speaker 1: in tough tones about being a murderer and being this
Speaker 1: and being you know, in human and like a lot
Speaker 1: of when they somebody's talking to him like that, they
Speaker 1: kind of kind of rock almost like a like a chicken,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're like, hey, you'll know the movie.
Speaker 1: It's like hey, this, this, this, and this, and he
Speaker 1: does that to the prosecutor even though his his hands
Speaker 1: are shackled at the waist and he's going like this
Speaker 1: to him, and it's it's chilling, man, because you know,
Speaker 1: we grew up around guys like that, and you know
Speaker 1: that that guy has that in him where this guy
Speaker 1: is just berating him and even though he's done what
Speaker 1: he's done, it's like you're doing it in front of
Speaker 1: my face. And you see him really kind of kind
Speaker 1: of get that posture, you know, get that get that
Speaker 1: feeling like what it must have been like when he
Speaker 1: was when he was out there, you know, nobody does
Speaker 1: that without I mean it was high on crack and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But you could see that guy just
Speaker 1: pump up and you know, you're like, wow, man, and
Speaker 1: like that. Nobody very much. He did that very much.
Speaker 1: And culturally speaking, one day he came in and the
Speaker 1: news media went they went nuts because he walked in
Speaker 1: shackled and he saw me sitting in the courtroom and
Speaker 1: he just bobbed his head and real and they thought
Speaker 1: it was death threats, the non Spanish speaking me. They
Speaker 1: thought death threat The only one that knew what he
Speaker 1: was talking about was Tony Beldez from then Fox New
Speaker 1: Channel Loving he laughed and to this day, every time
Speaker 1: Tony sees me here. Do you think that do you
Speaker 1: guys think that it's it's possible that they are serial
Speaker 1: killers are born this way, or do you think it's
Speaker 1: always childhood. I have no idea, what's a kid some
Speaker 1: else I born, nurture or learned. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I have normal. Oh yeah, sorry, this is an inferiority
Speaker 1: that they suffer that that triggers them to go and
Speaker 1: do things that garner either attention or respect or with
Speaker 1: women that they probably could have never maybe had. I mean,
Speaker 1: then the b t K killer was trying to be
Speaker 1: like a police officer and something that he he was,
Speaker 1: you know, really strange and just didn't pass the test.
Speaker 1: And then he became like a guy that went around
Speaker 1: the neighborhood to let you know that you're your your
Speaker 1: grasp was so higher, you had to fix this wall.
Speaker 1: He just became one of those guys that that becomes
Speaker 1: a nuisance really to say, what did that guy say, goes,
Speaker 1: I says, I can't leave my trash cans out there?
Speaker 1: And he became that guy. And part of that being
Speaker 1: looked down or being laughed at, or being ridicule for
Speaker 1: what the job he had and he had no power
Speaker 1: in that job, but he could, you know, in that area,
Speaker 1: like kick over somebody's house and be in there waiting
Speaker 1: with that a limit of surprise. He waited in the
Speaker 1: closets and stuff like that. So when you pop out,
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about being larger than life. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what size you are, you pop out of
Speaker 1: somebody's closet, like this girl was on a date and
Speaker 1: her boyfriend had left and she was changing and he
Speaker 1: popped out of the closet. That's I guess that rush
Speaker 1: that those guys get that has to be something for
Speaker 1: them that they that they go off. Gil, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. Stuff would scare me, you know, just I
Speaker 1: listen to so many cops of that. I'll let him
Speaker 1: come to my house. I'll kill him. I'll do this.
Speaker 1: Once you have that element of surprise, it's scared to
Speaker 1: be teas is. You'd make anybody shift in their pants, Gil.
Speaker 1: Gil was walking he thought he heard a noise. You
Speaker 1: could tell him in the middle of the night. Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: July seven, three thirty in the morning. I woke up
Speaker 1: and I was by myself my family at this time,
Speaker 1: and moved out with my My wife had moved out
Speaker 1: with my children, and I couldn't sleep. I was having nightmares,
Speaker 1: and subconsciously I felt somebody was in my house. I
Speaker 1: thought he was here, and so I got out of
Speaker 1: bed and I was profusely sweating. I was scared. My
Speaker 1: stomach was in knots. I felt like I was gonna vomit.
Speaker 1: I grabbed my gun and I literally walked around the
Speaker 1: inside of my house, checking my house, clearing my house
Speaker 1: as if it was there was a burglar inside. And
Speaker 1: I couldn't call the cops because I lived in sheriff's
Speaker 1: jurisdiction where I work. And I said, if I call
Speaker 1: the cops, they come down here and they're gonna say
Speaker 1: I'm crazy, and and maybe I was, you know, but
Speaker 1: I was having nightmares and I'm sick. I went and
Speaker 1: I got back in bed, and I said, what the
Speaker 1: hell is he doing right now? And good homicide cop
Speaker 1: that I was just like nurses when something goes on,
Speaker 1: first thing you do is you look at your watch,
Speaker 1: see what time it is. You can document it. I
Speaker 1: looked at the clock. It was three thirty in the morning,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, God, damn it, what's he doing. It's
Speaker 1: killing me. And then I got a phone call from
Speaker 1: another deputy that was working our crime crime lab. She
Speaker 1: had been on some of the cases. She's a dear
Speaker 1: friend of mine. I got a call from my office
Speaker 1: and call her up. I called her up and she said, Gil,
Speaker 1: you better come down here. I think the lady right
Speaker 1: across free from me she's just been raped and I
Speaker 1: think it's part of what you're working on. That case
Speaker 1: turned out to be Sophie Dickman, one of our surviving victims,
Speaker 1: and at three, she says, at three thirty in the morning,
Speaker 1: he was sodomizing her, plot sodomizing her, and her only
Speaker 1: fear was that he would kill her because he was
Speaker 1: embarrassed because he couldn't maintain an direction. And she was working.
Speaker 1: She used to work. She was a nurse for at
Speaker 1: that that time General Hospital, and that at that time
Speaker 1: she was working the psychiatric work. She was very calm,
Speaker 1: she was very tough. Wow, wow, sorry. Do you think
Speaker 1: that this case, like when you talk about bringing it home,
Speaker 1: do you think that this case hit you harder than
Speaker 1: any of the others. This case had me on the
Speaker 1: brink of going nuts or I told my partner, uh
Speaker 1: Salerno on the September, we had a dinner celebrating, Uh,
Speaker 1: and I apologize. Uh, there's some Mexican restaurant. Uh. The
Speaker 1: owner of bill Cello's gave gave the task force. My
Speaker 1: partner's wife used to be a bookkeeper for him, and
Speaker 1: he had the task force down his restaurant and gave
Speaker 1: us a nice dinner. And on the way down there,
Speaker 1: I told my partner, you know, you had me for
Speaker 1: about two more weeks before I just went completely bad ship.
Speaker 1: I was getting stressed out, I was getting short with everybody.
Speaker 1: I was getting short with my wife. Uh. When I
Speaker 1: did see her and she finally moved out with the kids.
Speaker 1: The day of the day he was arrested, I affectionately
Speaker 1: called her sister Mary Clarence, because she's the religious She's
Speaker 1: the nice one, and I'm the devil. I'm the asshole
Speaker 1: in the family. And Uh. I called her up and
Speaker 1: I said, he's in custody, we've got him. It's over.
Speaker 1: And she said, what do you mean it's over? Why
Speaker 1: isn't he dead? Uh? And then that night that day,
Speaker 1: my cousin had got married and my kids had something
Speaker 1: to do with it. I didn't know what was going on. Oh, there.
Speaker 1: They were doing something with a wedding, and so I went.
Speaker 1: I said, I'll just go to the Hilton. I'll be
Speaker 1: there sometime tonight. Get us a room, and we'll just
Speaker 1: spend the night there. I walked in and people were
Speaker 1: saying I could hear him saying, Oh, that's him, that's him,
Speaker 1: that's him meaning me. And I was just thoroughly exhausted
Speaker 1: and I wasn't feeling good. I went up and told
Speaker 1: my cousin, uh, congratulations. When up to the bar, got
Speaker 1: me a drink. Somebody bought me a drink. The bartender said,
Speaker 1: your money is no good here if you don't have
Speaker 1: a sponsor of the bar sponsors you. And I just
Speaker 1: told my wife, you know what, I just want to
Speaker 1: go to bed tonight because it's night. I don't wanna
Speaker 1: take any way, but I want to go to bid.
Speaker 1: I'm tired. And so I was not. I was not good.
Speaker 1: It was like the game's over, super Bowl time is here.
Speaker 1: We made it to the playoffs thoroughly drained, and I
Speaker 1: was about I didn't how much and much gas left
Speaker 1: in the tank. My captain was saying. At that time,
Speaker 1: we were working six eighteen hours a day, seven days
Speaker 1: a week and you use a ballbuster. Okay, and we're
Speaker 1: back to real time crime and we have with us
Speaker 1: George Lopez and Guil Courio. Hey, guys, so let's just
Speaker 1: head right back into the conversation. So your partner, Frank
Speaker 1: was on the cover of the l A Times and
Speaker 1: said that he started to fear for his safety and
Speaker 1: his family. And I mean, did you feel that same
Speaker 1: sort of terrified feeling that he would come for your family?
Speaker 1: I understand this. Frank is older and wiser than Gil
Speaker 1: Courio is Frank. You know, Uh, I really didn't have
Speaker 1: My whole focus was on capturing the killer. My documentary dropped.
Speaker 1: My wife and I stood up and we've been binge
Speaker 1: watched it and m killer Russell, the director captured some
Speaker 1: stuff that was really important to me. I cried watching
Speaker 1: the documentary, and George will tell you all that ain't shit.
Speaker 1: He cries all the time anyway. But I cried and
Speaker 1: I laughed, and as soon as it was over, the
Speaker 1: first thing I did was apologized to my wife, as
Speaker 1: I I didn't realize, I asked her for forgiveness because
Speaker 1: during the case, it's kind of like, okay, here it
Speaker 1: is you're in charge, meaning my wife. She was in
Speaker 1: charge of the house and the kids, and I didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear about any problems going on over here
Speaker 1: because my focus was captured the bad guy, because the
Speaker 1: bad guy could kill my wife, for kids or anybody else.
Speaker 1: So my total focus was there, and I didn't have
Speaker 1: enough time to spend about worry about anybody else. That's
Speaker 1: all I did. So I apologized because I never thought
Speaker 1: of the fear factor that she was going through, so
Speaker 1: I didn't think of anything else. Frank Wiser longer, you know,
Speaker 1: he thought of everything I didn't. Uh The week before
Speaker 1: his arrest, when he hit down a mission vehicle, I
Speaker 1: came home and I found footprints around my house and
Speaker 1: they weren't the via, but they would looked like they
Speaker 1: could have been the studio, and they shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: where they were. He didn't get in, he didn't go
Speaker 1: to my back, but he was around concrete up where
Speaker 1: it shouldn't have been. So we had some cops now
Speaker 1: sitting on my house. But that was sitting on there
Speaker 1: for me because my family was gone. So I wasn't
Speaker 1: concerned about my family. Uh. I told my mom, you know,
Speaker 1: shut the windows and my mom just says why, And
Speaker 1: I couldn't and I couldn't speak. I couldn't tell anybody
Speaker 1: about what was really going on, how bad it really was,
Speaker 1: so as not to create panic and fear. Mhm, How
Speaker 1: did you end up knowing that it was one guy?
Speaker 1: I I feel like for a while most people thought
Speaker 1: it was too correct. A lot of people thought it
Speaker 1: was more than one person going around, a couple of
Speaker 1: serial killers working in the same area, a couple of
Speaker 1: killers they didn't know they were related. I owe everything
Speaker 1: that I put my heart and soul in the case,
Speaker 1: but owe everything to a guy named Dr Robert Morneau,
Speaker 1: who taught me things that he in his words, I
Speaker 1: can hear him today. Any reasonable and prudent sex crimes
Speaker 1: investigator would notice that nobody else would. And so there
Speaker 1: were things that kept coming out in the case that
Speaker 1: I could see, this is a sex crime. When you
Speaker 1: have a sex crime, you had a shoe print, you
Speaker 1: had people given you, uh physical descriptions of the suspect
Speaker 1: that all seemed to match up. I'm saying, it's one guy.
Speaker 1: It's one guy. It's one guy. The problem is, and
Speaker 1: I can understand why nobody would believe me. Nobody in
Speaker 1: criminal history had ever been documented doing what this guy did.
Speaker 1: I mean, little girls, little boys, old women, younger women.
Speaker 1: It didn't make a difference. Why do you think he
Speaker 1: lets some of the younger children live the acquiesced his command.
Speaker 1: If anybody, if you acquis, you lived. If you didn't
Speaker 1: even put up a fight and didn't follow his prorections,
Speaker 1: you died. He killed one girl. We found out in
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten he killed a girl uh and
Speaker 1: five as well up in San Francisco. And they had
Speaker 1: made him on DNA because back then when we were
Speaker 1: working in case they didn't have DNA. They made him
Speaker 1: on a DNA case up there, and she was I
Speaker 1: want to say she was ten years old. But she
Speaker 1: put up a fight. And that's the only uh child
Speaker 1: that he killed. Right, So the purchase of guns was
Speaker 1: way up in California. People were scared. People were terrified.
Speaker 1: He was gouging out eyes of the victim. He was
Speaker 1: using old torture devices, thumb cuffs, he was using bullets
Speaker 1: that aren't even being made anymore. I mean, why do
Speaker 1: you think he was so gruesome and using these older tactics,
Speaker 1: or do you I mean, why would someone do that.
Speaker 1: Where would they even get the idea to use thumb
Speaker 1: cuffs when he first started using we found the thumb cuffs,
Speaker 1: and I the first thing I said was from surviving victims.
Speaker 1: He's using point shoulder shooting, which means he's got his
Speaker 1: hands in front of him, just you know, stick your
Speaker 1: hands out like that at point. That's taught in military.
Speaker 1: It's taught law enforcement thumb cuffs. Who were using Asia,
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at somebody that maybe perhaps had been
Speaker 1: in Vietnam and in Asia or they or they they
Speaker 1: did use thumb cuffs, and gun sales went up. A
Speaker 1: very good friend of George is now a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: He's still afraid momos buying guns to protect themselves. So people,
Speaker 1: some people have a fascination with guns, some people don't. Personally,
Speaker 1: I never did have a fascination with guns. And it
Speaker 1: was a tool, just like a hammer to a carpenter.
Speaker 1: That's all it was. Was tooled to me and I
Speaker 1: ask you a question. So we talked about, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the reasons you keep stuff close to the vest. Now, George,
Speaker 1: who is obviously one of the funniest people there is
Speaker 1: and confined humor in anything when he was telling the
Speaker 1: story about the Secret Service, you could tell correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. George in your face you were like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is not now, we're not joking around, Like this
Speaker 1: is serious ship. I'm not gonna make a joke. What
Speaker 1: is it with people that confess to doing these murders
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with it? Like, what's it? Why?
Speaker 1: Why does that happen? And obviously obviously it puts another
Speaker 1: layer into your job because now you've got to keep
Speaker 1: some stuff away, you know, close to the vest. And
Speaker 1: if they admit to it but don't know that fact,
Speaker 1: then you know it's not them. Why did they do that?
Speaker 1: You have to watch people. We had at least five
Speaker 1: people come forward to confess to being the night starter,
Speaker 1: you know, and and all five of them we're not
Speaker 1: playing with a full seabag, you know. They were missing
Speaker 1: something upstairs, but they wanted the attention for whatever. About
Speaker 1: the guy that had the magazines and he had like
Speaker 1: women's clothes in there. He seemed like that was the
Speaker 1: guy right at first, because he just we thought he
Speaker 1: was the guy. We we thought he was a guy.
Speaker 1: There was a gentleman that we put a surveillance team on.
Speaker 1: We followed him for a couple of days. We did
Speaker 1: a search warrn on his house and he had we
Speaker 1: we found magazines, you know, back in the old days.
Speaker 1: People use computers now, but he had sears, uh advertising
Speaker 1: women in brawls and panties and stuff that you'd see
Speaker 1: in magazine back then. He had him cut out all
Speaker 1: over the place, women's underwear slices, real underwear slices in
Speaker 1: the crotch area. Now, I just had to laugh in
Speaker 1: the beginning everything that I've said about George, I'll see,
Speaker 1: that's something that never went public. And that's something that
Speaker 1: I've just told George about. And George remembers his stuff
Speaker 1: about the guy that we followed around and the cut patties.
Speaker 1: I wonder how many cut patties you have in your house, George. Well,
Speaker 1: I can tell you if they're gonna be cut patties,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be the owner of that dog that's been
Speaker 1: down there barking for seven years in the row, allegedly
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for Cadbury to send in a shipment of chocolate.
Speaker 1: And and you said he is one of the George
Speaker 1: one of the funniest men. And I beg to differ
Speaker 1: with you. I I just went to watch him at
Speaker 1: the Microsoft and his stand up special on Saturday. He
Speaker 1: is the funniest, the funniest. I'm just able to make
Speaker 1: it out there. We gained my composure and he's the
Speaker 1: funniest man. He's the he's man to tell it like
Speaker 1: you have. You know, I don't put years into something
Speaker 1: that just becomes air or the minute you say it,
Speaker 1: after you say it. But you know, I think I
Speaker 1: think being an only child in that time, and you know,
Speaker 1: in the Mexican culture, you know, there's like these these
Speaker 1: magazines the Allottama, which is the Alarm, and there's these
Speaker 1: magazines that they would show crashes in Mexico when they
Speaker 1: show all of it, and they sold them at at
Speaker 1: at liquor stores and stuff like that, and my grandparents
Speaker 1: would buy them and there was a lot of my
Speaker 1: how was yellowing and and then you would go in
Speaker 1: there and see this stuff and you're like, at that time,
Speaker 1: the only place you could see that was like in
Speaker 1: a magazine like that and disturbing images. And I think
Speaker 1: that that in in part of growing up. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, with kids, everything, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a daughter that five, and I would I
Speaker 1: would say, you know, when the kids see something, they
Speaker 1: can't unsee it, you know, so you know where I
Speaker 1: saw things that I knew I shouldn't have seen that.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure that your children don't see
Speaker 1: things that they'll never be able to unsee. Well, that's
Speaker 1: interesting because he lived with his older cousin who had
Speaker 1: been in Vietnam, and maybe that's where he thought of
Speaker 1: using thumb cuffs because he used to be shown photos
Speaker 1: and he killed people brutally in Vietnam. I mean. The
Speaker 1: other thing is that he had he was beaten, He
Speaker 1: had multiple head injuries to the point where he was
Speaker 1: having seizures. And I'm not trying to say, do you
Speaker 1: think he had brain damage and that is the reason
Speaker 1: that he lacked empathy? But maybe I am saying that.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I'm saying. Um Okay, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to link brain damage to Satanism, but I
Speaker 1: am curious to know how he went from you know,
Speaker 1: all these violent situations and seeing disturbing murders and violence
Speaker 1: as and rape as a child. Um. And and he
Speaker 1: witnessed his cousin shooting his own wife and murdering her.
Speaker 1: And then he went from being a scared young man
Speaker 1: to being a cold calculated killer almost immediately. And then
Speaker 1: took an interest in Satanism and made his victims swear
Speaker 1: to Satan, swear their love of Satan. You know, they'd
Speaker 1: say like, oh my god, ball and he would he
Speaker 1: would say, no, swear to Satan. He as a kid,
Speaker 1: he was beating his He tells his dad used to
Speaker 1: beat him, eat him with a hose. In order to
Speaker 1: get away from his dad, used to go sleep in
Speaker 1: the bulk that cemetery and started Jesus Christ and no
Speaker 1: one knows he is comfortable, beastful there. And he didn't
Speaker 1: get into Satanism until he came out to l A
Speaker 1: and doing dope was they were into Satanism. And so
Speaker 1: that's when he got into Satanism out here. And what
Speaker 1: happened once he got into Satanism he realized that the
Speaker 1: booty and I don't mean you're gluty his Maximus, but
Speaker 1: the stuff he was stealing, all of his uh stolen
Speaker 1: property was getting good and so and that's when he
Speaker 1: started killing, killing because people would resist him. So he
Speaker 1: had the booty was going good. He really got into Satanism.
Speaker 1: And but when you stop think about it, because people
Speaker 1: ask me, weren't you afraid to go in there and
Speaker 1: talk to him? And no, not at all, because he
Speaker 1: was just another human and Satanism is just another form
Speaker 1: of religion. You know, Ted Bundy. People don't realize Ted
Speaker 1: Bundy was a Christian, but they don't say, oh, Ted
Speaker 1: Bundy's a Christian. But if you had to put satan
Speaker 1: you have been studying Satanism, you'd have made him that
Speaker 1: much uglier. And that's what the fear factor for Richard was.
Speaker 1: He's into Satanism and he's killing all these people. He's
Speaker 1: the devil. So that's another reason people were so fearful
Speaker 1: of him. Do you think if you would have talked
Speaker 1: to him in a different circumstance that you would have
Speaker 1: known he was a serial killer by the way that
Speaker 1: he carried on conversation. No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 1: But he wasn't clean, you know, he smelled right bad team.
Speaker 1: What they were smell smelling was the fact just imagine
Speaker 1: a locker room at a high school, a football baseball team.
Speaker 1: They sweat in their practice gear and they put it
Speaker 1: in the locker and it stinks and by the end
Speaker 1: of the wink, you know, by the end of the week,
Speaker 1: stinks to high heaven. He was using what we call
Speaker 1: the kill kids, so the clothes that he'd used to
Speaker 1: go out and killing. When they were done, he put
Speaker 1: him in a bag and put him in a locker
Speaker 1: there at the Grayound bus depot, so just smell they cool,
Speaker 1: So they were right, you know, So he didn't smell personally.
Speaker 1: And probably the biggest question I get asked on Instagram
Speaker 1: did he really smelled like a goat? Did he have
Speaker 1: a breath of a goat? And never smelled it because
Speaker 1: by the time we got to him, we had all
Speaker 1: his clothes off him and never did get that smelling. Well,
Speaker 1: this episode of the podcast sponsored by Greyhound Bus Stations
Speaker 1: but l advertising. But you know that guy was He
Speaker 1: was able to get off the Greyhound in l a
Speaker 1: look into the lobby of where the people are waiting,
Speaker 1: identify police officers, and back up and go out where
Speaker 1: the busses are. Like he he would have walked through
Speaker 1: that lobby of that bus people in downtown LA would
Speaker 1: have been arrested, but he could. He noticed police right
Speaker 1: away and then he he didn't going back down and
Speaker 1: then he had was able to get away that at
Speaker 1: that time. I think he got caught later. But so
Speaker 1: interesting that he ended up getting caught by a mob
Speaker 1: of angry civilians. Started with an angry husband. I mean
Speaker 1: he turned to car jack his wife. The guy at
Speaker 1: that time, and he's still a good Mexicans and bad Mexicans.
Speaker 1: Good Mexicans all had a two by four baseball bat
Speaker 1: or pipe nearby. The batman's all had guns. And it
Speaker 1: was the good ones that caught him. I mean he
Speaker 1: hit the guy in the head with a pipe, gave
Speaker 1: him a couple of blows of the head. Richard at
Speaker 1: this time had been running uh over the ten foot
Speaker 1: sound walls of the five freeway, so across the freeway
Speaker 1: ran a good uh mile and a half two miles
Speaker 1: in a run. And so he's tired. They hit him.
Speaker 1: There was no more fight left in him, was it?
Speaker 1: He just kind of his mistake was to say get
Speaker 1: out of the car, bitch, And you call a Mexican
Speaker 1: lady or in a woman a bitch, and the ouzens
Speaker 1: around the store for you man hit him with the house.
Speaker 1: They picked up everybody spence what what was loose? So
Speaker 1: they put they put up that big like that. Uh
Speaker 1: that's metal rod that holes in the fence, and they
Speaker 1: just put it up and just dropped it on his head.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, just about three weeks ago I got
Speaker 1: word I was asked to attend, and I did attend
Speaker 1: the funeral of one of the participants in his arrest
Speaker 1: about three weeks ago, a month ago. With the funeral, Well,
Speaker 1: so do you think that it's fair. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if that's the right word. That he died of lymphoma,
Speaker 1: and that he was never executed. Oh, I don't care,
Speaker 1: So I put him away. He's in there. I was
Speaker 1: told years ago by by a warden, after seven years
Speaker 1: of being in death row, you go bad ship anyway.
Speaker 1: So I really don't care how he died. I just
Speaker 1: know that there's no appeals that I have to go
Speaker 1: back to court on. It's over with. It's a done deal.
Speaker 1: And there were people that were upset that he he
Speaker 1: only did twenty years and that, and that you didn't
Speaker 1: spend the rest of his life in prison. But like
Speaker 1: you know, Gill said, you don't, you know, it's all
Speaker 1: been kind of glamorized, you know, death throw and you know, uh,
Speaker 1: like Scott Peterson and you know those guys over there,
Speaker 1: um that it. It's appealing when it's shown on you
Speaker 1: know Everything A and he's got a crime channel and
Speaker 1: all that. So it's a bit I wasn't appealing, but
Speaker 1: it's not what it's really like to be in there
Speaker 1: twenty three hours a day in confinement and you do go,
Speaker 1: you do lose your mind in there. It makes sense. Wow.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the victims of the families feel
Speaker 1: like there was an injustice over the fact that he
Speaker 1: was not executed immediately. I haven't talked to the family
Speaker 1: members at all, with the exception of one. Uh, the
Speaker 1: young girl that was six years old in the documentary.
Speaker 1: She was six years old at the time. She's now
Speaker 1: about forty two. We've become friends. Uh. We don't talk
Speaker 1: about the case, and I've never wanted to talk. I've
Speaker 1: never wanted to follow up on any of the children
Speaker 1: that were kidnapped. I never wanted to follow up because
Speaker 1: it breaks my heart if they ended up psychologically broken.
Speaker 1: So I never wanted to follow up. And even when
Speaker 1: they did the documentary, I told them, I said, I'll
Speaker 1: give you everything I have, or I'll talk you about anything.
Speaker 1: You want to, but don't ask me to give you
Speaker 1: information on the surviving victims. I would never do it
Speaker 1: because I don't want to hear that there traumatized still.
Speaker 1: Sachina Aboa, one of the victims was a CI Muslim.
Speaker 1: She was also a medical doctor and her husband was killed.
Speaker 1: She was sexually assaulted, and she was shocked because she
Speaker 1: went into uh seclusion for forty days and forty nights,
Speaker 1: which is part of her religion, and she came out
Speaker 1: and she couldn't believe that he was still alive because
Speaker 1: back in her country, he'd have been dead already. Mm hmm. Okay. Also,
Speaker 1: I do have a fascination with the Cecil hotel, and
Speaker 1: they were rumors that he was living there at some point.
Speaker 1: Are those rumors true? He stood at the Cecil, he
Speaker 1: stood at skin Road, dives and dumps all around the
Speaker 1: area with her. What is it about that hotel that
Speaker 1: just I mean, it just calls to murderers. I don't know.
Speaker 1: They say the same thing about my house because Alexandria
Speaker 1: to UH. That's another one. But I think that you know,
Speaker 1: when you when you cater to uh maybe like transience
Speaker 1: and people just going through town, that a lot of times.
Speaker 1: You know, there's people that died in the rooms. There's
Speaker 1: people that have murdered people in there. And I think
Speaker 1: that energy that stays in that in that in that room.
Speaker 1: I mean when you when somebody is taken before their time.
Speaker 1: You know, we're big into into hearing things and let
Speaker 1: and lower about you know, uh, you know images that
Speaker 1: we see. But I think that that energy of those
Speaker 1: people stay in that hotel. And if you look up
Speaker 1: to see so hotel and you look up, like you know, images,
Speaker 1: you'll see people that have been captured on the pictures
Speaker 1: just kind of hanging out of a window and things
Speaker 1: like that. And and it's all true. All that energy
Speaker 1: is bad energy. And you know that place uh just
Speaker 1: catered to that. You know, um that you can get
Speaker 1: a room there for nine dollars and nobody really cared
Speaker 1: what you did in that room. I'll do it. The
Speaker 1: lab the girl that they found in the water tank
Speaker 1: and they can't figure out how she would have gotten
Speaker 1: in the water tank and been able to pull the
Speaker 1: cover down. I mean, that's that's a big thing too.
Speaker 1: I Mean, you know that water was bad and people
Speaker 1: were using the water. It's just you know, kind of
Speaker 1: amazing that, you know, hotel so bad that that water
Speaker 1: would be putrid, and everybody's like, you know, don't, don't
Speaker 1: take a shower. But you know, she looked up online
Speaker 1: where to stay cheap and the pictures of it look
Speaker 1: like it's okay, I mean's grand, you know, for for
Speaker 1: the hotel. But it does. It does come, you know
Speaker 1: those I wouldn't stay downtown. It does come with a
Speaker 1: lot of that bad energy. Yeah, the lobby is gorgeous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you get a room for nine bucks, You're not
Speaker 1: gonna be like complain about the water, Like this is
Speaker 1: what I get for nine dollar room. It's a side
Speaker 1: water for free down there. You know that I believe
Speaker 1: a Lisa Lamb got taken by the elevator game. But
Speaker 1: that's a story for a different day that I get.
Speaker 1: Really she also still thinks Brian Laundry is alive and
Speaker 1: he just left his teeth. The new news about Brian
Speaker 1: Laundry really pushed over the edge. Well, you know, I
Speaker 1: get up at three three thirty sometimes in the morning
Speaker 1: to maybe using benthroom, and I attempted to do the
Speaker 1: Bloody Mary, the three Bloody Marys. I can only get
Speaker 1: one out, like should I do it? Letty Mary? Oh?
Speaker 1: I bet her not. The the other night, at three
Speaker 1: in the morning, I was meditating, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: wrong with me, and all of a sudden, all of
Speaker 1: my lights are out. I'm in bed, my laptop in
Speaker 1: the other room. Every single tab that was open on
Speaker 1: my computer started playing at the same time, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, here we go. I guess at the
Speaker 1: beginning of you know, like this is it, this is
Speaker 1: my last I was like, should I live tweet my murder?
Speaker 1: Like I was honestly, I was like, should I go
Speaker 1: live on Instagram? Just let people, you know, say goodbye?
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. And that's astro projection. You
Speaker 1: projected your energy into the electronics of the computer, and
Speaker 1: that was your energy doing that. WHOA wait, So are
Speaker 1: you trying to say I'm like super powerful or something.
Speaker 1: You're focusing your energy somewhere and you're meditating or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it would go to something with power, you know,
Speaker 1: something with projection. I can catch a serial killer, but
Speaker 1: astro projection would take my ass out of the house. OK.
Speaker 1: Just so we're clear, he says. Astro projection is something
Speaker 1: that a lot of people can do. It's this is
Speaker 1: not you. I don't want to hear bragging rights next
Speaker 1: week on the pod about your astro production. Well, not
Speaker 1: to brag, but I did speak to a psychic at
Speaker 1: eight am last Thursday, which is the earliest I've ever
Speaker 1: been awake, So I recorded the whole session just to
Speaker 1: make sure i'd remember it. And she said that my
Speaker 1: grand father likes to turn on lights and electricity to
Speaker 1: let people know he's around. So I actually thought it
Speaker 1: was him, but now that I know it's me, Um,
Speaker 1: thank you, it could be a co h, thank you.
Speaker 1: But okay, this is also I guess I have a
Speaker 1: couple we have a final, final couple of questions. But
Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of psychics who volunteered
Speaker 1: to help find deceased and anyone related to crimes. Do
Speaker 1: you believe that these are real psychics? Do you believe
Speaker 1: that they've this is all I mean? Do you believe
Speaker 1: this is real? Let George answer that, Um, I believe
Speaker 1: that their psychics. I'm not sure if the ones helping
Speaker 1: the police are the are the right ones. I think
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes they're just almost like people that say they've
Speaker 1: committed the crime. You know, they want the attention of it.
Speaker 1: But um, there are some some reputable psychics, some very
Speaker 1: valuable psychics, uh, and psychics, um, but it depends you
Speaker 1: have to have a willing mind. I do believe in
Speaker 1: all of and all of that myself. And even in
Speaker 1: this house, there's been things that have happened in this
Speaker 1: house since I've moved in that I have been very
Speaker 1: very unusual, super natural in a sense. And uh, I
Speaker 1: had somebody coming clean the house, UH would take a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff up. But this house is from the twenties,
Speaker 1: and you know, apparently that some kids lived here and
Speaker 1: they on the other side of the house. Maybe we're
Speaker 1: punished by staying up walking closet and in the attic.
Speaker 1: That's what the woman said. But but you know, I
Speaker 1: believe in that. I believe there's an energy around us
Speaker 1: and people that have gone but that still are guiding
Speaker 1: people through life. And so George, when are we moving
Speaker 1: in about a year? Depending on this dog. This dog? Okay,
Speaker 1: So so we do have to wrap for today. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we feel like we could ask you a million more questions,
Speaker 1: but either of you have any final thoughts about life.
Speaker 1: Comedy Prime The Night Stalker left world left with you crying,
Speaker 1: you look like ship. I think people talk themselves out
Speaker 1: of good things and bad things in life. And you know,
Speaker 1: as time goes by, you can only be in one
Speaker 1: place at one time. Everything becomes a memory, with a
Speaker 1: good memory of bad memory. But I think we've all
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time either talking ourselves out of
Speaker 1: doing things that uh are not in our comfort zone.
Speaker 1: But in the end, when you look back, you only
Speaker 1: get a certain amount of time and you can't get
Speaker 1: any back. So to live, to live more open and more.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say aggressive, but live outside of your comfort
Speaker 1: zone more because in the end it's the end. Much
Speaker 1: according to the ghosts in George's house, I just want
Speaker 1: to go see Chicago the band and I would listen
Speaker 1: to them to Junior had they better around fifty five
Speaker 1: years Yeah, so who's more haunted than that band? I
Speaker 1: think I know? All right, Well, George Gil thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on the podcast today. We love
Speaker 1: you guys. Oh my god, I thought that was a
Speaker 1: ghost in the background, but it was just another person.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, And I was like, George, he's behind you. Okay, George,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you real quick. We have a mutual
Speaker 1: friend Dicky Egan. He said to say hello, and he said,
Speaker 1: you're the only reason he's gonna listen to this my podcast.
Speaker 1: We met the Celtics and the Lakers and he lost it.
Speaker 1: He had to go buy a a laking your hat,
Speaker 1: and the look on his face, I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: You could cover him in shit. He wouldn't have that
Speaker 1: same look at his face. You're more or less to
Speaker 1: have to wear that hat. Oh my gosh. All right, well,
Speaker 1: this has been another episode of Real Time Crime. George
Speaker 1: gil Where can we find you on the internet or
Speaker 1: is there anything that you want to promote or let
Speaker 1: people know about. I'm just at real Gil careel not mean,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, high podcast. It's hilarious and an informative genius.
Speaker 1: I love you guys so much. This has been an
Speaker 1: amazing episode. I've been Leo Lamar sometimes Dmitri, who's more
Speaker 1: like often times Dmitri these days, and of course we
Speaker 1: have melling camp. I always pause. Thank you guys, And
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