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Speaker 1: Crime and Hello Social Sleuths. Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of Real Time Crime. I'm Leo Lamar and I have

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Speaker 1: with me my amazing co host Patty Mellancam pause, I

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Speaker 1: mean without the slight pause? Is it even you? You know?

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Speaker 1: And and we've got sometimes Dmitri Hello, Sometimes Hello, it's

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Speaker 1: a cute name for you, you guys. Today we've got

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Speaker 1: an extra special episode because it'll be be based all

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Speaker 1: around our two guests, who I can't wait to bring

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Speaker 1: on and introduce. I'm sure you've heard of the infamous

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Speaker 1: case of the night Stalker. Well, who better to help

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Speaker 1: us uncover all the details of this gruesome case other

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Speaker 1: than Gil Coreo, one of the detectives who put him

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Speaker 1: behind bars and stars in the Netflix show The night

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Speaker 1: Stalker And our dear friend who's also obsessed with true crime,

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Speaker 1: the one the only George Lopez. We love comedy, we

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Speaker 1: love crime, so to George, so obviously he's a perfect

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Speaker 1: and introduced them, let's say hello, Hi, Oh my god, Hi?

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Speaker 1: How is everyone? Everyone? I mean? By me? I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: I do need to turn my heat off really quick

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Speaker 1: in my house hold on Okay, turn that heat off.

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Speaker 1: The first crime has been committed to it's too hot

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Speaker 1: to hand. Speaking of which, my apartment fire alarm was

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Speaker 1: blaring last night. You know, you know how you always

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Speaker 1: think like, oh, what if I don't hear the fire alarm. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you'll hear it. You'll hear it. What was happening? I

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Speaker 1: The fire alarm was blazing, like you can't hear anything

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Speaker 1: else for it feels like you're gonna have your damage.

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Speaker 1: That's how loud the sound is. Uh. My male woman

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Speaker 1: and then she just wanted to have a full on conversation.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is how starved for human connection

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Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, but could we just chat real quick?

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Speaker 1: it's funny because when I was just down a couple

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Speaker 1: someone knocks and says I have a package, I would

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Speaker 1: have gone full crime on that one. Maybe she wasn't

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Speaker 1: is a long con to just get me out of

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Speaker 1: my apartment to bug it, you know, because I'm definitely

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Speaker 1: wanted by the CIA. I think if the CIA needed anything,

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Speaker 1: they could get it from your Instagram. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they need to bug your apartment. Who am I aunt? Alvi? Um? Hilarious? Okay. Also,

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Speaker 1: I've just noticed my hair is so odd. But it's

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Speaker 1: just like this is who I am, and I there's

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Speaker 1: So I was sitting in my car outside my building

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Speaker 1: So I was like, did you chat up any fireman?

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Speaker 1: You know? Me? I have a feeling I like you

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Speaker 1: know what else is on fire? Oh? Is that a

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Speaker 1: dad joke? Ye, Dmitri, I don't have any STDs. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I have a really big crime to report. Please tell us.

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Speaker 1: I broke my nail and I don't know how I

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Speaker 1: I wonder if Gil gets solve this crime. Gil, can

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Speaker 1: you get on the case because it really hurts and

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Speaker 1: you don't know how. Like you woke up and it

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Speaker 1: and then I had to of course finish the job.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know if I'm now compliant

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Speaker 1: with a crime. I don't know. Well, you tampered with evidence,

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Speaker 1: America hates Toddrick. Yeah, and now there's all these memes

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Speaker 1: of me because I refused to go over and give

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Speaker 1: is interesting that you woke up without a fingernail. Now, karmically,

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Speaker 1: maybe it was Doddreck. He was like that seem like

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Speaker 1: suspicion that the case that we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: funny is I literally said, Leah, don't tell them you

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Speaker 1: incredible George Lopez. George has had a very multifaceted career

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Speaker 1: I love watching George on stage. He's absolutely hilarious. He's

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Speaker 1: often featured on George's podcast, Oh My God High. It's

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Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful because Gil Courier, he is a

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Speaker 1: again living legends. We've got on today. He investigated seven

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Speaker 1: also Netflix's star of the TV show night Stalker. The

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Speaker 1: to be to be subpoena that this weekend, if not today,

424
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Speaker 1: and to testifying the trial. And I said, well, how

425
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: would you like to get your subpoena in person? Or

426
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: should you have episode that my lawyer when it got

427
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 1: it delivered to him. I would have loved if it

428
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: was delibered you while you were filming Regis. That would

429
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: have been amazing. I wish, I wish I would have

430
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: taken the three hundred, could have offset the seventy thousand

431
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: it cost me to hire a lawyer ring to fly up.

432
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: How about your like, what what's this kid doing with

433
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: fifty bucks? And then they're like, well there was three

434
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: D and the right what are you doing with three hundred? Yeah?

435
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: So you know that, I mean just being around that.

436
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean I've been around some crazy things in my life.

437
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: You know, I've been around um, you know I was.

438
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: I played golf with o J after he got out.

439
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: I was on the freeway when he went by that

440
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: that afternoon, I was going down coming in a magic store.

441
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: It took me to twenty minutes to get from Sherman

442
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: Oaks to her most of the beach and I got

443
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: out stage and I said, hey, let's let out every

444
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: Friday because there was no traffic. All right, I've said enough. Wow.

445
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: Gil has a look on He's like, you know, crime

446
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: is not funny. He looks like he's like, I'm fascinating.

447
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: My job is just to set here, watch, listen, laugh. Uh.

448
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: He fascinates me. I gotta say, Gil, your your name

449
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: and Frank Sillerno. Anytime I listened to something about, you know,

450
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: crime in the eighties and Los Angeles, those are the

451
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: names that come up. You guys did a bang up job.

452
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: Like every time there was like a serial killer that

453
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: was that was caught, you guys were right there behind it.

454
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's really all the people involved, everybody around us.

455
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: Somebody gets to sign the handle on it, but it's

456
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: it's a team, and I was surrounded by heroes. Oh

457
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: that's nice. A lot of the stuff I've heard was like, oh,

458
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: no one thought this, no one gave an extra but

459
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: then it was it was Gilbert and and Frank that thought, no, no,

460
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: there's something more to this. So it sounds like you guys,

461
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: and I know you you definitely seem too modest to

462
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: take this, but I'm just gonna finish it off, is

463
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: that it seems like you guys were the ones that

464
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: always thought things through and and did the final steps.

465
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: Are the extra steps that led to a lot of

466
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: those captures. Thank you. Then, and then ended up on

467
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: the George Wolf Oh my God I podcast. So where

468
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: did if Richard Ramirez handn't gone to the dentist? How

469
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: much longer do you think he would have been out there? Guilt?

470
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: We said when he hit in the mission vehicle, we'd

471
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: have him within two weeks, and we had no idea

472
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: who we was yet, but we thought we'd have within

473
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: two weeks. And today that they released his name, we said,

474
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: give us twenty four hours, and you know, hindsight. Uh,

475
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: they released his name because they had to, and I

476
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: understand why, and he was caught. The next point, what

477
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: do you think the fascination is with women who want

478
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: to marry serial killers once they're in jail. I have

479
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: no idea. He had some gorgeous, beautiful, well one would

480
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: call sexy he and then he up marrying one of

481
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: the ones that attractive den But she she she thought

482
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: he was innocent. That's what she says. I never spoke

483
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: with her. I don't care. It's bizarre, Like, didn't somebody

484
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: married Kenny Bianci right, one of the Hillside stranglers, and

485
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: then they like committed a crime, a murder for him

486
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: to prove that it wasn't him because he was behind

487
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: bars at that time or something. It's insane. Yes, And

488
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: this is I know this is a little awkward because

489
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know that. Leah. Anytime

490
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: there's a serial killer that we talked about, Lee is like, oh,

491
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: he's hot always. She has like a fascination. Well, I mean,

492
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: maybe you're just not that picky leat. I mean, we've

493
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: seen my list of men that I've dated, so I

494
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: probably am not that picky. But I do think in

495
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: a different alternate to mention a different timeline, you know,

496
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: I think he was he could have been like a

497
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: model Ali and needs She's fine as long as a

498
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: guy either has a mug shot or a head shot.

499
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: And she said like she's like, this is my guy.

500
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: But those are so deviant though, I mean, you know,

501
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: to think that a woman would be like that's my guy,

502
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: all right to him, and you know they you all

503
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: said there was some women that would sit in court

504
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: and you know, he'd wear his classes and he kind

505
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 1: of look over his shouldren go like that, and he

506
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: was just moving these women, Like even women that were

507
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: lawyers would go in there and sit there and watch

508
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: him like I guess he was. I don't know if

509
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: he what that magnetism is, but even everybody I think

510
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: involved with the case said that that if you laid

511
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: eyes on that dude, like he was magnetic, you know, like,

512
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: umguil right, he was kind of you had something. Everybody

513
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: would say something see something different. Some women Sophie Dickman,

514
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: who testified at the age of sixty five, as five

515
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: victims said, he was quite a handsome young man, you know,

516
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: so he had chisel look to him. And I don't know.

517
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't not my type. Do you think it's a

518
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: fascination of like wanting to change somebody and thinking you'd

519
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: be capable to do that, or do you think it's

520
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: like we were saying, because he's has fame. Or there

521
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: was one follower, a little Filipino young lady went every

522
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: day to the preliminary hearing and then she'd go visit

523
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: him in the jail constantly. After the case was over,

524
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: I was talking to him and I said, rich, whatever

525
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: happened to Bernadad? And he said, ah, she's come by.

526
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: But she was trying to talk uh to go back

527
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: into Catholicism, get back into Christianity, get back into God,

528
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: I said, And he said, oh, no, it didn't work.

529
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: And I heard because I had taught her into doing porno,

530
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: so he hear into doing porno and she wanted him

531
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: to go back in the church. So I don't know.

532
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: At one time he asked me, why do you think

533
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: I am the way I am? And the same answer

534
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: is just like, why did these ladies do it? I

535
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: have no idea a doctor would give you an answer

536
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: to that. And they get paid a lot more money

537
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: than I did as a cop. And he never showed

538
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: any remorse practice. He showed remorse for one victim, one

539
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: victim only, and after he kidnapped a tenure a little

540
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: girl and let her go, after this case is all over,

541
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: what we're talking to me. The only thing he was

542
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: remorseful about, besides the one teenage girl, that he had

543
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: assaulted a little ten year old girl. And he wasn't

544
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: sorry for her. He was sad. He was sad and

545
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: because a little puppy got out when he took the girl,

546
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: and he was concerned for the puppy. Didn't know if

547
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: the puppy had made it home. Wow, But you know

548
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: I worked in I worked in the valley in north

549
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: Ridge around that time, and you know, no social media, remember,

550
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: no phones and and nothing. So um when he was

551
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: out there and he was hitting in the valley and

552
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: around north Ridge, and when you would leave working and

553
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: start the sun would start to go down. You could

554
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: feel in the air that tension of this guy being

555
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: out there and not and not getting caught yet and

556
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: in that area, and I mean, I've never felt it

557
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: in any other part time of be living out here,

558
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: but in north Ridge in the mid eighties. There when

559
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: that guy was on the loose, you could feel the tension.

560
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: You could see people going home, you could see the

561
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: streets with less cars on him, and that guy would

562
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: still hit like it's like you you're expecting me to

563
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: do it, and he still did it. And then it

564
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: made the next time even even worse like that, just

565
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: it was no but no one was out when he

566
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: was out there. How common is it that a serial

567
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: killer doesn't have a type? This was What he was

568
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: doing was quite uncommon. A matter of fact, nobody had

569
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: been in criminal history had been documented doing what he

570
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: was doing. The several different methods of this modus operandi,

571
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: the method of his operation, from the way he killed

572
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: him and to what are his victims were, And so

573
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: normally everybody sticks to a certain type. This guy went

574
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: was all over the place. So the only pattern was

575
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: that he were the obvious shoes. His only consistency was

576
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: his inconsistency. He wore the via shoe up until a

577
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: favorite senator went public with the shoe shoe information, at

578
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: which time he from over the Golden gate Bridge and

579
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: change shoes, went to a stadia as opposed to the via.

580
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: And and that how important was it? I can tell

581
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: you without equivocation that on January nine, five, one thousand,

582
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: three D fifty six Pairer model for forty avias entered

583
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: the United States from Taiwan through New York, of which

584
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: six pair ended up in the state of California, with

585
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: one pair ended up the city Los Angeles. So that

586
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: was almost as good as a fingerprint, right, And so

587
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 1: he'd been wearing gloves the whole time, so that one

588
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: fingerprint was the only fingerprint he left. Right. He wore gloves,

589
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: either cheap gloves, gardening gloves, or even socks. He just

590
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: put socks on his hands. He did leave a print.

591
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: We found an old case June night four and uh

592
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Jenny Vinkow, which was an l ap D case. He

593
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: had a live print. But back in nineteen four and

594
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: eighty five, fingerprints weren't automated, with the exception of felons,

595
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: so he had never had a felony conviction, so they

596
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: weren't They were of the computers, and so fingerprints didn't

597
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: mean it. But he left the fingerprint on a car,

598
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: and he left the fingerprint at the residents of Jenny Vinko.

599
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: How did you end up getting involved in the case

600
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: in the first place? But was it by location or

601
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: back then in the old days we used to wear beepers.

602
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: I was on all I knew. I was up. People

603
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: went off then forty March seventeen uh and they said Europe,

604
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: you got a murder, and it was That's where I went.

605
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: And then you started linking stuff together and just get going.

606
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: You got a U up page. No, I just got up.

607
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: You know you're on call. You got your murderer. What

608
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: number murder was that? That was the first one in

609
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: the modern series. And we say modern because we did

610
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: find the one L A p D. During the investigations.

611
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: We got this murder over here that occurred of Jenny

612
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: Vincow in June of eighty four, and that was out

613
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: of Northeast Division. And I said, just hold on to it,

614
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: and he says, we have a live print, but we

615
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: can't make it. We've run it, nothing, no hits on it.

616
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: I will just hold onto the case until after we

617
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: solve ours and once we have somebody in custody then

618
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: we'll match the prints. And it turned out of what

619
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: same guy? Wow, So you mentioned that the with the

620
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: sneakers and then somebody let that out and then it

621
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I understand. That's why you guys

622
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: keep so much information close to the vest. Is that

623
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: because if something gets out, then they can react to that.

624
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: Was there ever one when you thought you were like

625
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: real close and and somebody like information leaked and it

626
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: completely derailed the case. Yeah, that's the nice one. Yeah, No,

627
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: that's exactly why we keep some information on the news.

628
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: I watched people today. Uh the georgiall call me. I

629
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: don't know, they'll call me and he calls me names

630
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: all the time. But uh, the actor that just shot

631
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: somebody on the movie set. Okay, Now, the police officers

632
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: and charged over there. They were given an awful lot

633
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: of information and you can tell they're not used to

634
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: dealing with high profile cases. So the less contact you

635
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: have with the press, the more information you're gonna you're

636
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: gonna leak out. During this case, the chief of police

637
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: Monterey Park let out the on the Joyce Nelson murder

638
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: or Dot William and Emily Dot Uh the blood Curtly

639
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: calls you listen to the news, and they always put

640
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: out these calls because that gets people to watch their news. Well,

641
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: that was the last time Richard ever left the phone intact.

642
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: He once it went out publicly. From that point on,

643
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: he disabled every phone in the house. So they follow.

644
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: You better believe that these serial killers are following the

645
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: news just like we are. Do you think they get

646
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: off on seeing themselves in the news As an example,

647
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: it's definitely to quote Richard, I've got an ego that

648
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: will fill this filled this room, but I can tell

649
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: you everything about the time that Romans fed the Christians

650
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: to the Alliance to modernate serial killers, which was yeah, sorry,

651
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, No, that was it. You just had a

652
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: big That's why I was disappointed, because the night Stalker

653
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: is a is a for all you know, in tense purposes,

654
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: a pretty cool title. But my understanding, and correct me

655
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, is that he originally they called him

656
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: the screen door Intruder. They had several names from it,

657
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: and we didn't. The law enforcement doesn't make up the names.

658
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: That's the local media that makes up names. But you know,

659
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: it's like, screw him. I wish I wish he had

660
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: been stuck with that one rather than getting a cool

661
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: one the screen door intruder like yeah, yeah, or a mosquito.

662
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: You know. Well, it's interesting he would wear sunglasses in

663
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: the courtroom. How did they even allow that? Well they did.

664
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: They try to take him, get him to take him off,

665
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: and he didn't want to judlin him do it. He

666
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: just makes him look so much cooler though he was.

667
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: He thought he was cool. People obviously thought he was cool.

668
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: It looks like he just had a really fun night

669
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: in Vegas and came to court looked like a Miami

670
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: dope dealers. You know. One of my one of my

671
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: favorite things about that document is he's he is tied

672
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: up at the waist and the prosecutor is talking about

673
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: him to him and and you know, really in in

674
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: in tough tones about being a murderer and being this

675
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: and being you know, in human and like a lot

676
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: of when they somebody's talking to him like that, they

677
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: kind of kind of rock almost like a like a chicken,

678
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: you know, and they're like, hey, you'll know the movie.

679
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: It's like hey, this, this, this, and this, and he

680
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: does that to the prosecutor even though his his hands

681
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: are shackled at the waist and he's going like this

682
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: to him, and it's it's chilling, man, because you know,

683
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: we grew up around guys like that, and you know

684
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: that that guy has that in him where this guy

685
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: is just berating him and even though he's done what

686
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: he's done, it's like you're doing it in front of

687
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: my face. And you see him really kind of kind

688
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: of get that posture, you know, get that get that

689
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: feeling like what it must have been like when he

690
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: was when he was out there, you know, nobody does

691
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: that without I mean it was high on crack and

692
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But you could see that guy just

693
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: pump up and you know, you're like, wow, man, and

694
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 1: like that. Nobody very much. He did that very much.

695
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: And culturally speaking, one day he came in and the

696
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: news media went they went nuts because he walked in

697
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: shackled and he saw me sitting in the courtroom and

698
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: he just bobbed his head and real and they thought

699
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: it was death threats, the non Spanish speaking me. They

700
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: thought death threat The only one that knew what he

701
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: was talking about was Tony Beldez from then Fox New

702
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: Channel Loving he laughed and to this day, every time

703
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: Tony sees me here. Do you think that do you

704
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: guys think that it's it's possible that they are serial

705
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: killers are born this way, or do you think it's

706
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: always childhood. I have no idea, what's a kid some

707
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: else I born, nurture or learned. I have no idea.

708
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: I have normal. Oh yeah, sorry, this is an inferiority

709
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: that they suffer that that triggers them to go and

710
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: do things that garner either attention or respect or with

711
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: women that they probably could have never maybe had. I mean,

712
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: then the b t K killer was trying to be

713
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: like a police officer and something that he he was,

714
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: you know, really strange and just didn't pass the test.

715
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: And then he became like a guy that went around

716
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: the neighborhood to let you know that you're your your

717
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: grasp was so higher, you had to fix this wall.

718
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: He just became one of those guys that that becomes

719
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: a nuisance really to say, what did that guy say, goes,

720
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: I says, I can't leave my trash cans out there?

721
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: And he became that guy. And part of that being

722
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: looked down or being laughed at, or being ridicule for

723
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: what the job he had and he had no power

724
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: in that job, but he could, you know, in that area,

725
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: like kick over somebody's house and be in there waiting

726
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: with that a limit of surprise. He waited in the

727
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: closets and stuff like that. So when you pop out,

728
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about being larger than life. It

729
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what size you are, you pop out of

730
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: somebody's closet, like this girl was on a date and

731
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: her boyfriend had left and she was changing and he

732
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: popped out of the closet. That's I guess that rush

733
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: that those guys get that has to be something for

734
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: them that they that they go off. Gil, that's right,

735
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: that's right. Stuff would scare me, you know, just I

736
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: listen to so many cops of that. I'll let him

737
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: come to my house. I'll kill him. I'll do this.

738
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: Once you have that element of surprise, it's scared to

739
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: be teas is. You'd make anybody shift in their pants, Gil.

740
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: Gil was walking he thought he heard a noise. You

741
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: could tell him in the middle of the night. Yes, uh,

742
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: July seven, three thirty in the morning. I woke up

743
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: and I was by myself my family at this time,

744
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: and moved out with my My wife had moved out

745
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: with my children, and I couldn't sleep. I was having nightmares,

746
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: and subconsciously I felt somebody was in my house. I

747
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: thought he was here, and so I got out of

748
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: bed and I was profusely sweating. I was scared. My

749
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: stomach was in knots. I felt like I was gonna vomit.

750
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: I grabbed my gun and I literally walked around the

751
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: inside of my house, checking my house, clearing my house

752
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: as if it was there was a burglar inside. And

753
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't call the cops because I lived in sheriff's

754
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: jurisdiction where I work. And I said, if I call

755
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: the cops, they come down here and they're gonna say

756
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm crazy, and and maybe I was, you know, but

757
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: I was having nightmares and I'm sick. I went and

758
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: I got back in bed, and I said, what the

759
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: hell is he doing right now? And good homicide cop

760
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: that I was just like nurses when something goes on,

761
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: first thing you do is you look at your watch,

762
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: see what time it is. You can document it. I

763
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: looked at the clock. It was three thirty in the morning,

764
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, God, damn it, what's he doing. It's

765
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: killing me. And then I got a phone call from

766
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: another deputy that was working our crime crime lab. She

767
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: had been on some of the cases. She's a dear

768
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: friend of mine. I got a call from my office

769
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: and call her up. I called her up and she said, Gil,

770
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: you better come down here. I think the lady right

771
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: across free from me she's just been raped and I

772
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: think it's part of what you're working on. That case

773
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: turned out to be Sophie Dickman, one of our surviving victims,

774
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: and at three, she says, at three thirty in the morning,

775
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: he was sodomizing her, plot sodomizing her, and her only

776
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: fear was that he would kill her because he was

777
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: embarrassed because he couldn't maintain an direction. And she was working.

778
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: She used to work. She was a nurse for at

779
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: that that time General Hospital, and that at that time

780
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: she was working the psychiatric work. She was very calm,

781
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: she was very tough. Wow, wow, sorry. Do you think

782
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: that this case, like when you talk about bringing it home,

783
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: do you think that this case hit you harder than

784
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: any of the others. This case had me on the

785
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: brink of going nuts or I told my partner, uh

786
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: Salerno on the September, we had a dinner celebrating, Uh,

787
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: and I apologize. Uh, there's some Mexican restaurant. Uh. The

788
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: owner of bill Cello's gave gave the task force. My

789
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: partner's wife used to be a bookkeeper for him, and

790
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: he had the task force down his restaurant and gave

791
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: us a nice dinner. And on the way down there,

792
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: I told my partner, you know, you had me for

793
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: about two more weeks before I just went completely bad ship.

794
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: I was getting stressed out, I was getting short with everybody.

795
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: I was getting short with my wife. Uh. When I

796
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: did see her and she finally moved out with the kids.

797
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: The day of the day he was arrested, I affectionately

798
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: called her sister Mary Clarence, because she's the religious She's

799
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: the nice one, and I'm the devil. I'm the asshole

800
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: in the family. And Uh. I called her up and

801
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: I said, he's in custody, we've got him. It's over.

802
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: And she said, what do you mean it's over? Why

803
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: isn't he dead? Uh? And then that night that day,

804
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: my cousin had got married and my kids had something

805
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: to do with it. I didn't know what was going on. Oh, there.

806
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: They were doing something with a wedding, and so I went.

807
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: I said, I'll just go to the Hilton. I'll be

808
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: there sometime tonight. Get us a room, and we'll just

809
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: spend the night there. I walked in and people were

810
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: saying I could hear him saying, Oh, that's him, that's him,

811
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: that's him meaning me. And I was just thoroughly exhausted

812
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: and I wasn't feeling good. I went up and told

813
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: my cousin, uh, congratulations. When up to the bar, got

814
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: me a drink. Somebody bought me a drink. The bartender said,

815
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: your money is no good here if you don't have

816
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: a sponsor of the bar sponsors you. And I just

817
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: told my wife, you know what, I just want to

818
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: go to bed tonight because it's night. I don't wanna

819
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: take any way, but I want to go to bid.

820
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm tired. And so I was not. I was not good.

821
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 1: It was like the game's over, super Bowl time is here.

822
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: We made it to the playoffs thoroughly drained, and I

823
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: was about I didn't how much and much gas left

824
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: in the tank. My captain was saying. At that time,

825
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: we were working six eighteen hours a day, seven days

826
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: a week and you use a ballbuster. Okay, and we're

827
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: back to real time crime and we have with us

828
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: George Lopez and Guil Courio. Hey, guys, so let's just

829
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: head right back into the conversation. So your partner, Frank

830
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: was on the cover of the l A Times and

831
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: said that he started to fear for his safety and

832
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: his family. And I mean, did you feel that same

833
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: sort of terrified feeling that he would come for your family?

834
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: I understand this. Frank is older and wiser than Gil

835
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: Courio is Frank. You know, Uh, I really didn't have

836
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: My whole focus was on capturing the killer. My documentary dropped.

837
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: My wife and I stood up and we've been binge

838
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: watched it and m killer Russell, the director captured some

839
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: stuff that was really important to me. I cried watching

840
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: the documentary, and George will tell you all that ain't shit.

841
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: He cries all the time anyway. But I cried and

842
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: I laughed, and as soon as it was over, the

843
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: first thing I did was apologized to my wife, as

844
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: I I didn't realize, I asked her for forgiveness because

845
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: during the case, it's kind of like, okay, here it

846
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: is you're in charge, meaning my wife. She was in

847
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: charge of the house and the kids, and I didn't

848
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: want to hear about any problems going on over here

849
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: because my focus was captured the bad guy, because the

850
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: bad guy could kill my wife, for kids or anybody else.

851
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: So my total focus was there, and I didn't have

852
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: enough time to spend about worry about anybody else. That's

853
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: all I did. So I apologized because I never thought

854
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: of the fear factor that she was going through, so

855
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think of anything else. Frank Wiser longer, you know,

856
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: he thought of everything I didn't. Uh The week before

857
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: his arrest, when he hit down a mission vehicle, I

858
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: came home and I found footprints around my house and

859
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: they weren't the via, but they would looked like they

860
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: could have been the studio, and they shouldn't have been

861
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: where they were. He didn't get in, he didn't go

862
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: to my back, but he was around concrete up where

863
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: it shouldn't have been. So we had some cops now

864
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: sitting on my house. But that was sitting on there

865
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: for me because my family was gone. So I wasn't

866
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: concerned about my family. Uh. I told my mom, you know,

867
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: shut the windows and my mom just says why, And

868
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't and I couldn't speak. I couldn't tell anybody

869
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: about what was really going on, how bad it really was,

870
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: so as not to create panic and fear. Mhm, How

871
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: did you end up knowing that it was one guy?

872
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: I I feel like for a while most people thought

873
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: it was too correct. A lot of people thought it

874
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: was more than one person going around, a couple of

875
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: serial killers working in the same area, a couple of

876
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: killers they didn't know they were related. I owe everything

877
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: that I put my heart and soul in the case,

878
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: but owe everything to a guy named Dr Robert Morneau,

879
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: who taught me things that he in his words, I

880
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: can hear him today. Any reasonable and prudent sex crimes

881
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: investigator would notice that nobody else would. And so there

882
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: were things that kept coming out in the case that

883
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: I could see, this is a sex crime. When you

884
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: have a sex crime, you had a shoe print, you

885
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: had people given you, uh physical descriptions of the suspect

886
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: that all seemed to match up. I'm saying, it's one guy.

887
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: It's one guy. It's one guy. The problem is, and

888
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: I can understand why nobody would believe me. Nobody in

889
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: criminal history had ever been documented doing what this guy did.

890
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, little girls, little boys, old women, younger women.

891
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: It didn't make a difference. Why do you think he

892
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: lets some of the younger children live the acquiesced his command.

893
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: If anybody, if you acquis, you lived. If you didn't

894
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: even put up a fight and didn't follow his prorections,

895
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: you died. He killed one girl. We found out in

896
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten he killed a girl uh and

897
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: five as well up in San Francisco. And they had

898
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: made him on DNA because back then when we were

899
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: working in case they didn't have DNA. They made him

900
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: on a DNA case up there, and she was I

901
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: want to say she was ten years old. But she

902
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: put up a fight. And that's the only uh child

903
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: that he killed. Right, So the purchase of guns was

904
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: way up in California. People were scared. People were terrified.

905
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: He was gouging out eyes of the victim. He was

906
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: using old torture devices, thumb cuffs, he was using bullets

907
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: that aren't even being made anymore. I mean, why do

908
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: you think he was so gruesome and using these older tactics,

909
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: or do you I mean, why would someone do that.

910
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: Where would they even get the idea to use thumb

911
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: cuffs when he first started using we found the thumb cuffs,

912
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: and I the first thing I said was from surviving victims.

913
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: He's using point shoulder shooting, which means he's got his

914
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: hands in front of him, just you know, stick your

915
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: hands out like that at point. That's taught in military.

916
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: It's taught law enforcement thumb cuffs. Who were using Asia,

917
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at somebody that maybe perhaps had been

918
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: in Vietnam and in Asia or they or they they

919
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: did use thumb cuffs, and gun sales went up. A

920
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: very good friend of George is now a friend of mine.

921
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: He's still afraid momos buying guns to protect themselves. So people,

922
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: some people have a fascination with guns, some people don't. Personally,

923
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: I never did have a fascination with guns. And it

924
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: was a tool, just like a hammer to a carpenter.

925
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: That's all it was. Was tooled to me and I

926
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: ask you a question. So we talked about, you know,

927
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: some of the reasons you keep stuff close to the vest. Now, George,

928
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: who is obviously one of the funniest people there is

929
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: and confined humor in anything when he was telling the

930
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: story about the Secret Service, you could tell correct me

931
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. George in your face you were like, oh,

932
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: this is not now, we're not joking around, Like this

933
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: is serious ship. I'm not gonna make a joke. What

934
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: is it with people that confess to doing these murders

935
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with it? Like, what's it? Why?

936
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: Why does that happen? And obviously obviously it puts another

937
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: layer into your job because now you've got to keep

938
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: some stuff away, you know, close to the vest. And

939
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: if they admit to it but don't know that fact,

940
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: then you know it's not them. Why did they do that?

941
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: You have to watch people. We had at least five

942
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: people come forward to confess to being the night starter,

943
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, and and all five of them we're not

944
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: playing with a full seabag, you know. They were missing

945
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: something upstairs, but they wanted the attention for whatever. About

946
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: the guy that had the magazines and he had like

947
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: women's clothes in there. He seemed like that was the

948
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: guy right at first, because he just we thought he

949
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: was the guy. We we thought he was a guy.

950
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: There was a gentleman that we put a surveillance team on.

951
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: We followed him for a couple of days. We did

952
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: a search warrn on his house and he had we

953
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 1: we found magazines, you know, back in the old days.

954
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: People use computers now, but he had sears, uh advertising

955
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: women in brawls and panties and stuff that you'd see

956
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: in magazine back then. He had him cut out all

957
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: over the place, women's underwear slices, real underwear slices in

958
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: the crotch area. Now, I just had to laugh in

959
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: the beginning everything that I've said about George, I'll see,

960
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: that's something that never went public. And that's something that

961
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: I've just told George about. And George remembers his stuff

962
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: about the guy that we followed around and the cut patties.

963
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: I wonder how many cut patties you have in your house, George. Well,

964
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: I can tell you if they're gonna be cut patties,

965
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna be the owner of that dog that's been

966
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: down there barking for seven years in the row, allegedly

967
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for Cadbury to send in a shipment of chocolate.

968
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: And and you said he is one of the George

969
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: one of the funniest men. And I beg to differ

970
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: with you. I I just went to watch him at

971
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: the Microsoft and his stand up special on Saturday. He

972
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: is the funniest, the funniest. I'm just able to make

973
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: it out there. We gained my composure and he's the

974
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: funniest man. He's the he's man to tell it like

975
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: you have. You know, I don't put years into something

976
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: that just becomes air or the minute you say it,

977
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: after you say it. But you know, I think I

978
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: think being an only child in that time, and you know,

979
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: in the Mexican culture, you know, there's like these these

980
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: magazines the Allottama, which is the Alarm, and there's these

981
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: magazines that they would show crashes in Mexico when they

982
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: show all of it, and they sold them at at

983
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: at liquor stores and stuff like that, and my grandparents

984
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: would buy them and there was a lot of my

985
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: how was yellowing and and then you would go in

986
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: there and see this stuff and you're like, at that time,

987
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: the only place you could see that was like in

988
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: a magazine like that and disturbing images. And I think

989
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: that that in in part of growing up. I think,

990
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, with kids, everything, you know,

991
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: I have a daughter that five, and I would I

992
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: would say, you know, when the kids see something, they

993
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: can't unsee it, you know, so you know where I

994
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: saw things that I knew I shouldn't have seen that.

995
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: You want to make sure that your children don't see

996
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: things that they'll never be able to unsee. Well, that's

997
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: interesting because he lived with his older cousin who had

998
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: been in Vietnam, and maybe that's where he thought of

999
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: using thumb cuffs because he used to be shown photos

1000
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: and he killed people brutally in Vietnam. I mean. The

1001
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: other thing is that he had he was beaten, He

1002
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: had multiple head injuries to the point where he was

1003
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: having seizures. And I'm not trying to say, do you

1004
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: think he had brain damage and that is the reason

1005
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: that he lacked empathy? But maybe I am saying that.

1006
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I'm saying. Um Okay, Well, I'm

1007
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: not trying to link brain damage to Satanism, but I

1008
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: am curious to know how he went from you know,

1009
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: all these violent situations and seeing disturbing murders and violence

1010
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: as and rape as a child. Um. And and he

1011
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: witnessed his cousin shooting his own wife and murdering her.

1012
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: And then he went from being a scared young man

1013
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: to being a cold calculated killer almost immediately. And then

1014
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: took an interest in Satanism and made his victims swear

1015
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: to Satan, swear their love of Satan. You know, they'd

1016
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: say like, oh my god, ball and he would he

1017
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: would say, no, swear to Satan. He as a kid,

1018
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: he was beating his He tells his dad used to

1019
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: beat him, eat him with a hose. In order to

1020
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: get away from his dad, used to go sleep in

1021
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: the bulk that cemetery and started Jesus Christ and no

1022
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,959
Speaker 1: one knows he is comfortable, beastful there. And he didn't

1023
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: get into Satanism until he came out to l A

1024
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: and doing dope was they were into Satanism. And so

1025
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: that's when he got into Satanism out here. And what

1026
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: happened once he got into Satanism he realized that the

1027
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: booty and I don't mean you're gluty his Maximus, but

1028
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: the stuff he was stealing, all of his uh stolen

1029
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: property was getting good and so and that's when he

1030
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: started killing, killing because people would resist him. So he

1031
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: had the booty was going good. He really got into Satanism.

1032
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: And but when you stop think about it, because people

1033
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: ask me, weren't you afraid to go in there and

1034
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: talk to him? And no, not at all, because he

1035
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: was just another human and Satanism is just another form

1036
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: of religion. You know, Ted Bundy. People don't realize Ted

1037
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: Bundy was a Christian, but they don't say, oh, Ted

1038
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: Bundy's a Christian. But if you had to put satan

1039
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: you have been studying Satanism, you'd have made him that

1040
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: much uglier. And that's what the fear factor for Richard was.

1041
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: He's into Satanism and he's killing all these people. He's

1042
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: the devil. So that's another reason people were so fearful

1043
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: of him. Do you think if you would have talked

1044
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: to him in a different circumstance that you would have

1045
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: known he was a serial killer by the way that

1046
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: he carried on conversation. No, not at all, not at all.

1047
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: But he wasn't clean, you know, he smelled right bad team.

1048
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: What they were smell smelling was the fact just imagine

1049
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: a locker room at a high school, a football baseball team.

1050
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: They sweat in their practice gear and they put it

1051
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: in the locker and it stinks and by the end

1052
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: of the wink, you know, by the end of the week,

1053
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: stinks to high heaven. He was using what we call

1054
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: the kill kids, so the clothes that he'd used to

1055
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: go out and killing. When they were done, he put

1056
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: him in a bag and put him in a locker

1057
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Speaker 1: there at the Grayound bus depot, so just smell they cool,

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01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: So they were right, you know, So he didn't smell personally.

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Speaker 1: And probably the biggest question I get asked on Instagram

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01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: did he really smelled like a goat? Did he have

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01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,479
Speaker 1: a breath of a goat? And never smelled it because

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01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: by the time we got to him, we had all

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01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: his clothes off him and never did get that smelling. Well,

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Speaker 1: this episode of the podcast sponsored by Greyhound Bus Stations

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01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: but l advertising. But you know that guy was He

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01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: was able to get off the Greyhound in l a

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Speaker 1: look into the lobby of where the people are waiting,

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01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: identify police officers, and back up and go out where

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01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: the busses are. Like he he would have walked through

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01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: that lobby of that bus people in downtown LA would

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: have been arrested, but he could. He noticed police right

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01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: away and then he he didn't going back down and

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01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: then he had was able to get away that at

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01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: that time. I think he got caught later. But so

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01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: interesting that he ended up getting caught by a mob

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01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: of angry civilians. Started with an angry husband. I mean

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01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: he turned to car jack his wife. The guy at

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01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: that time, and he's still a good Mexicans and bad Mexicans.

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Speaker 1: Good Mexicans all had a two by four baseball bat

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01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: or pipe nearby. The batman's all had guns. And it

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01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: was the good ones that caught him. I mean he

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01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: hit the guy in the head with a pipe, gave

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01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: him a couple of blows of the head. Richard at

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01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: this time had been running uh over the ten foot

1085
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: sound walls of the five freeway, so across the freeway

1086
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: ran a good uh mile and a half two miles

1087
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: in a run. And so he's tired. They hit him.

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01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: There was no more fight left in him, was it?

1089
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: He just kind of his mistake was to say get

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Speaker 1: out of the car, bitch, And you call a Mexican

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01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: lady or in a woman a bitch, and the ouzens

1092
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: around the store for you man hit him with the house.

1093
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: They picked up everybody spence what what was loose? So

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01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: they put they put up that big like that. Uh

1095
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: that's metal rod that holes in the fence, and they

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01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: just put it up and just dropped it on his head.

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, just about three weeks ago I got

1098
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: word I was asked to attend, and I did attend

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Speaker 1: the funeral of one of the participants in his arrest

1100
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: about three weeks ago, a month ago. With the funeral, Well,

1101
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: so do you think that it's fair. I don't even

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01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: know if that's the right word. That he died of lymphoma,

1103
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: and that he was never executed. Oh, I don't care,

1104
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: So I put him away. He's in there. I was

1105
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: told years ago by by a warden, after seven years

1106
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: of being in death row, you go bad ship anyway.

1107
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: So I really don't care how he died. I just

1108
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: know that there's no appeals that I have to go

1109
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: back to court on. It's over with. It's a done deal.

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Speaker 1: And there were people that were upset that he he

1111
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: only did twenty years and that, and that you didn't

1112
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: spend the rest of his life in prison. But like

1113
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, Gill said, you don't, you know, it's all

1114
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: been kind of glamorized, you know, death throw and you know, uh,

1115
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: like Scott Peterson and you know those guys over there,

1116
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: um that it. It's appealing when it's shown on you

1117
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: know Everything A and he's got a crime channel and

1118
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: all that. So it's a bit I wasn't appealing, but

1119
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: it's not what it's really like to be in there

1120
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: twenty three hours a day in confinement and you do go,

1121
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: you do lose your mind in there. It makes sense. Wow.

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01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: Do you think that the victims of the families feel

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01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: like there was an injustice over the fact that he

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01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: was not executed immediately. I haven't talked to the family

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01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: members at all, with the exception of one. Uh, the

1126
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: young girl that was six years old in the documentary.

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01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: She was six years old at the time. She's now

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Speaker 1: about forty two. We've become friends. Uh. We don't talk

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01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: about the case, and I've never wanted to talk. I've

1130
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: never wanted to follow up on any of the children

1131
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: that were kidnapped. I never wanted to follow up because

1132
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: it breaks my heart if they ended up psychologically broken.

1133
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: So I never wanted to follow up. And even when

1134
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,919
Speaker 1: they did the documentary, I told them, I said, I'll

1135
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: give you everything I have, or I'll talk you about anything.

1136
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: You want to, but don't ask me to give you

1137
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: information on the surviving victims. I would never do it

1138
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: because I don't want to hear that there traumatized still.

1139
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: Sachina Aboa, one of the victims was a CI Muslim.

1140
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: She was also a medical doctor and her husband was killed.

1141
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: She was sexually assaulted, and she was shocked because she

1142
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: went into uh seclusion for forty days and forty nights,

1143
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: which is part of her religion, and she came out

1144
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: and she couldn't believe that he was still alive because

1145
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: back in her country, he'd have been dead already. Mm hmm. Okay. Also,

1146
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: I do have a fascination with the Cecil hotel, and

1147
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: they were rumors that he was living there at some point.

1148
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: Are those rumors true? He stood at the Cecil, he

1149
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: stood at skin Road, dives and dumps all around the

1150
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: area with her. What is it about that hotel that

1151
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: just I mean, it just calls to murderers. I don't know.

1152
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: They say the same thing about my house because Alexandria

1153
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: to UH. That's another one. But I think that you know,

1154
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: when you when you cater to uh maybe like transience

1155
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: and people just going through town, that a lot of times.

1156
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's people that died in the rooms. There's

1157
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: people that have murdered people in there. And I think

1158
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: that energy that stays in that in that in that room.

1159
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean when you when somebody is taken before their time.

1160
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: You know, we're big into into hearing things and let

1161
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: and lower about you know, uh, you know images that

1162
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: we see. But I think that that energy of those

1163
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: people stay in that hotel. And if you look up

1164
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: to see so hotel and you look up, like you know, images,

1165
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: you'll see people that have been captured on the pictures

1166
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: just kind of hanging out of a window and things

1167
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: like that. And and it's all true. All that energy

1168
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: is bad energy. And you know that place uh just

1169
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: catered to that. You know, um that you can get

1170
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: a room there for nine dollars and nobody really cared

1171
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: what you did in that room. I'll do it. The

1172
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: lab the girl that they found in the water tank

1173
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: and they can't figure out how she would have gotten

1174
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: in the water tank and been able to pull the

1175
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: cover down. I mean, that's that's a big thing too.

1176
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: I Mean, you know that water was bad and people

1177
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: were using the water. It's just you know, kind of

1178
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: amazing that, you know, hotel so bad that that water

1179
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: would be putrid, and everybody's like, you know, don't, don't

1180
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: take a shower. But you know, she looked up online

1181
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: where to stay cheap and the pictures of it look

1182
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: like it's okay, I mean's grand, you know, for for

1183
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: the hotel. But it does. It does come, you know

1184
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: those I wouldn't stay downtown. It does come with a

1185
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: lot of that bad energy. Yeah, the lobby is gorgeous. Yeah,

1186
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: but you get a room for nine bucks, You're not

1187
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna be like complain about the water, Like this is

1188
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: what I get for nine dollar room. It's a side

1189
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: water for free down there. You know that I believe

1190
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: a Lisa Lamb got taken by the elevator game. But

1191
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: that's a story for a different day that I get.

1192
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: Really she also still thinks Brian Laundry is alive and

1193
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: he just left his teeth. The new news about Brian

1194
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: Laundry really pushed over the edge. Well, you know, I

1195
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: get up at three three thirty sometimes in the morning

1196
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: to maybe using benthroom, and I attempted to do the

1197
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: Bloody Mary, the three Bloody Marys. I can only get

1198
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: one out, like should I do it? Letty Mary? Oh?

1199
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: I bet her not. The the other night, at three

1200
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: in the morning, I was meditating, I don't know what's

1201
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: wrong with me, and all of a sudden, all of

1202
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: my lights are out. I'm in bed, my laptop in

1203
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: the other room. Every single tab that was open on

1204
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: my computer started playing at the same time, and I

1205
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: was just like, here we go. I guess at the

1206
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: beginning of you know, like this is it, this is

1207
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: my last I was like, should I live tweet my murder?

1208
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: Like I was honestly, I was like, should I go

1209
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: live on Instagram? Just let people, you know, say goodbye?

1210
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. And that's astro projection. You

1211
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: projected your energy into the electronics of the computer, and

1212
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: that was your energy doing that. WHOA wait, So are

1213
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: you trying to say I'm like super powerful or something.

1214
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: You're focusing your energy somewhere and you're meditating or whatever,

1215
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: and it would go to something with power, you know,

1216
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: something with projection. I can catch a serial killer, but

1217
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: astro projection would take my ass out of the house. OK.

1218
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 1: Just so we're clear, he says. Astro projection is something

1219
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: that a lot of people can do. It's this is

1220
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: not you. I don't want to hear bragging rights next

1221
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: week on the pod about your astro production. Well, not

1222
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: to brag, but I did speak to a psychic at

1223
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: eight am last Thursday, which is the earliest I've ever

1224
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: been awake, So I recorded the whole session just to

1225
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: make sure i'd remember it. And she said that my

1226
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: grand father likes to turn on lights and electricity to

1227
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: let people know he's around. So I actually thought it

1228
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: was him, but now that I know it's me, Um,

1229
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: thank you, it could be a co h, thank you.

1230
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: But okay, this is also I guess I have a

1231
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: couple we have a final, final couple of questions. But

1232
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of psychics who volunteered

1233
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: to help find deceased and anyone related to crimes. Do

1234
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: you believe that these are real psychics? Do you believe

1235
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: that they've this is all I mean? Do you believe

1236
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: this is real? Let George answer that, Um, I believe

1237
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: that their psychics. I'm not sure if the ones helping

1238
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: the police are the are the right ones. I think

1239
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes they're just almost like people that say they've

1240
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: committed the crime. You know, they want the attention of it.

1241
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: But um, there are some some reputable psychics, some very

1242
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: valuable psychics, uh, and psychics, um, but it depends you

1243
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: have to have a willing mind. I do believe in

1244
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: all of and all of that myself. And even in

1245
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: this house, there's been things that have happened in this

1246
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: house since I've moved in that I have been very

1247
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: very unusual, super natural in a sense. And uh, I

1248
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: had somebody coming clean the house, UH would take a

1249
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: lot of stuff up. But this house is from the twenties,

1250
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: and you know, apparently that some kids lived here and

1251
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: they on the other side of the house. Maybe we're

1252
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: punished by staying up walking closet and in the attic.

1253
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: That's what the woman said. But but you know, I

1254
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: believe in that. I believe there's an energy around us

1255
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 1: and people that have gone but that still are guiding

1256
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: people through life. And so George, when are we moving

1257
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: in about a year? Depending on this dog. This dog? Okay,

1258
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: So so we do have to wrap for today. Unfortunately,

1259
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 1: we feel like we could ask you a million more questions,

1260
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: but either of you have any final thoughts about life.

1261
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 1: Comedy Prime The Night Stalker left world left with you crying,

1262
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: you look like ship. I think people talk themselves out

1263
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: of good things and bad things in life. And you know,

1264
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: as time goes by, you can only be in one

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Speaker 1: place at one time. Everything becomes a memory, with a

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Speaker 1: good memory of bad memory. But I think we've all

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time either talking ourselves out of

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Speaker 1: doing things that uh are not in our comfort zone.

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Speaker 1: But in the end, when you look back, you only

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Speaker 1: get a certain amount of time and you can't get

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Speaker 1: any back. So to live, to live more open and more.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say aggressive, but live outside of your comfort

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Speaker 1: zone more because in the end it's the end. Much

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Speaker 1: according to the ghosts in George's house, I just want

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Speaker 1: to go see Chicago the band and I would listen

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Speaker 1: to them to Junior had they better around fifty five

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Speaker 1: years Yeah, so who's more haunted than that band? I

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Speaker 1: think I know? All right, Well, George Gil thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming on the podcast today. We love

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Speaker 1: you guys. Oh my god, I thought that was a

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Speaker 1: ghost in the background, but it was just another person.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, And I was like, George, he's behind you. Okay, George,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you real quick. We have a mutual

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Speaker 1: friend Dicky Egan. He said to say hello, and he said,

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Speaker 1: you're the only reason he's gonna listen to this my podcast.

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Speaker 1: We met the Celtics and the Lakers and he lost it.

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Speaker 1: He had to go buy a a laking your hat,

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Speaker 1: and the look on his face, I've never seen it.

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Speaker 1: You could cover him in shit. He wouldn't have that

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Speaker 1: same look at his face. You're more or less to

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Speaker 1: have to wear that hat. Oh my gosh. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: this has been another episode of Real Time Crime. George

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Speaker 1: gil Where can we find you on the internet or

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Speaker 1: is there anything that you want to promote or let

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Speaker 1: people know about. I'm just at real Gil careel not mean,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, high podcast. It's hilarious and an informative genius.

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Speaker 1: I love you guys so much. This has been an

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Speaker 1: amazing episode. I've been Leo Lamar sometimes Dmitri, who's more

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Speaker 1: like often times Dmitri these days, and of course we

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Speaker 1: have melling camp. I always pause. Thank you guys, And

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Speaker 1: as usual, if you want to call and leave us

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Speaker 1: a voicemail, leave us a message at eight six six

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Speaker 1: twenty one Crime. That's eight six six twenty one Crime,

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Speaker 1: eight six six two any one Crime eight six six

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Speaker 1: two on two seven four six three, stay safe out

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Speaker 1: their friends, We love you, good night. It's real time

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Speaker 1: crop it real time gra I mean, is it actually

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Speaker 1: real time crime? I'm solving anything? Or is that just

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Speaker 1: the thing we say, it's a thing, we say, got it? Okay,

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Speaker 1: See you next week for more real time crime, only

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Speaker 1: on I Horror Radio.