Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. Hey Zeron, Do
Speaker 1: I know you? No? Oh cool? What's your name? Hey?
Speaker 1: You know I'm Elizabeth Utton. Nice to meet you. You
Speaker 1: know it's ridiculous. I do Zarin. Oh yes, pet rocks.
Speaker 1: That ridiculous, right, Okay, if you just stop, just stop period.
Speaker 1: Pet rocks. I've heard I heard about him, So I decided, like,
Speaker 1: what is a pet rock? I went and looked it up,
Speaker 1: and there's like a lot more to this than I
Speaker 1: realized really. So it was this dude named Gary Doll.
Speaker 1: He was an advertising executive. He was talking with his
Speaker 1: friends at a bar and they were talking about, like
Speaker 1: complaining about I gotta walk my dog and get up
Speaker 1: so early in the morning. And he's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: would be the perfect pet of rock. And they were
Speaker 1: like yeah whatever, Gary, and say He's like oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And he went out and he decided I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: pet rocks into a thing. So he did. And so
Speaker 1: he decides he gets custom cardboard boxes made. He gets
Speaker 1: this little like uh like feeding and care instructions thing
Speaker 1: that's filled with like puns like try to teach your
Speaker 1: your pet rock to do tricks like sit and stay right,
Speaker 1: and then there's difficult ones like come like, don't want
Speaker 1: to be able to figure out that one yet maybe
Speaker 1: you can that kind of jokes. Right, Well, anyway, it
Speaker 1: lasted six months, the whole fat right. But in that
Speaker 1: time he sells millions of these. He sells like about
Speaker 1: one million of them for about four dollars each in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies dollars, which is like wild to me. He
Speaker 1: becomes a millionaire. He then buys a bar in Los Gatos.
Speaker 1: He's a local, Oh, I know, California locally. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he regrets doing it. In nineteen eighty eight, he said,
Speaker 1: sometimes I look back and wonder if my life would
Speaker 1: have been simple or if I hadn't done it. Oh,
Speaker 1: he got things got complicated after that. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean people would like just like sue him about my
Speaker 1: pet rock dropped on my foot or I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's getting a lot of lawsuits from cranks and waccos. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Gary Doll pet rocks. There you go. That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Do you know what else is ridiculous? No, tell me
Speaker 1: a badass woman who stands up to the mob and
Speaker 1: black hitler. This is ridiculous crime a podcast about absurd
Speaker 1: and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent murder free and one ridiculous that we're murder free, right, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so you're going to day. Well, that basically means that
Speaker 1: the crimes that we cover aren't specifically murder, and the
Speaker 1: criminals we cover aren't murders. We've both said that we
Speaker 1: can't make light of the last day of someone's life
Speaker 1: and the horrific events it's around it no good, and
Speaker 1: you know that day is also the worst day of
Speaker 1: the lives of that person's loved ones, Right, So we
Speaker 1: keep it light and I'm going to do that today. Okay,
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. The woman I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you about is murder adjacent. We'll say you already said
Speaker 1: black Hitler's I'm figuring this one's gonna get wild, little
Speaker 1: fid Well. Her crimes are incredible and ridiculous in all
Speaker 1: senses of the word, but murder seems to like swirl
Speaker 1: around her. Okay, So she didn't really kill anyone. She's
Speaker 1: a murder black hole. It's just happening around her. She
Speaker 1: fought a guy in self defense and he fell and
Speaker 1: hit his head. Okay, but her life is so so,
Speaker 1: so much more than that other guy fell on knife
Speaker 1: seven times exactly. And she's so fascinating that I figured
Speaker 1: I'd use up our one percent on this. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: into it all right. So I'm talking today about Stephanie
Speaker 1: Saint Clair. Oh, yes, aka Queenie Saint Clair, aka Madame Queen,
Speaker 1: Madame Saint Clair and Queen of the policy rackets. For
Speaker 1: some respect on her name. Yes, Stephanie Saint Clair born
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve eighteen ninety seven in Mule, Grandtaire, West
Speaker 1: French Indies, you say so. Yes. She was born of
Speaker 1: African descent to a single mother named Felicienne, beautiful name,
Speaker 1: I know, Felicienne. She made sure that Stephanie went to school,
Speaker 1: but then Feliciane got sick, so at fifteen years old,
Speaker 1: Stephanie dropped out in order to take care of her mom.
Speaker 1: After her mom passed away, Stephanie moved from the West
Speaker 1: Indies to Montreal, Moan and she was part most likely
Speaker 1: part of the nineteen ten to nineteen eleven Caribbean domestic
Speaker 1: scheme that moved domestic workers up to Canada. So one
Speaker 1: of the Great North migrations for Canada. Yeah, exactly, and
Speaker 1: specifically to Quebec. So from there she immigrates to the
Speaker 1: United States. She gets to New York in nineteen twelve.
Speaker 1: She speaks English, Spanish, French, and that means she can
Speaker 1: like skillfully navigate a lot of neighborhoods and a lot
Speaker 1: of situations. Oh yeah, and she's slide in three situations
Speaker 1: a bit totally well. So she has this brief relationship
Speaker 1: after she gets her with a small time crook named Duke,
Speaker 1: and he got caught up in nasty business and he
Speaker 1: met a terrible end. But it had she had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with it, is not by her hand. So
Speaker 1: then she meets this new guy ed she decides to
Speaker 1: sell drugs with it. Okay, with some help from ed um,
Speaker 1: she makes thirty thousand dollars. Do we know what drugs
Speaker 1: she was selling? No, but I'm thinking, what is it
Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen, Like I'm figuring like it's cocaine adjacent type
Speaker 1: stuff or even yeah, some of the good gauge weed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So she makes them jazz. She makes thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: after just a few months, okay, and then she decides
Speaker 1: I don't need ed right, and Ed finds out and
Speaker 1: then they have a disagreement and it didn't end well
Speaker 1: because he fell. Oh right, another guy fell bad. That's
Speaker 1: the guy that fell. So after this, she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to hire my own crew of guys I'm hiring
Speaker 1: When he fell, did he fall off a building or
Speaker 1: like he just felt backwards? Okay, I'll just wonder. You said,
Speaker 1: hell backwards. You can fall off a lot of things.
Speaker 1: He was clumsy. Yeah. Yeah, So she was like bribing
Speaker 1: the cops to leave her alone, and then um, this
Speaker 1: new kind of gang that she had. She's got serious income.
Speaker 1: So she takes ten thousand dollars of that and she
Speaker 1: invests it into a lottery game in Harlem and the
Speaker 1: numbers games. Well yeah, it's called policy banking. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's mix of gambling, investing, and then playing the lottery.
Speaker 1: Policy banking wasn't really legal. The thing is, at the times,
Speaker 1: bank weren't banks weren't accepting black clients. Yeah, so black
Speaker 1: Americans couldn't legally invest their own money in white bank
Speaker 1: you'd do, right, And so for many policy banking was
Speaker 1: the only option if they wanted to grow their money.
Speaker 1: If you didn't have black banks in your area, or
Speaker 1: if you or if you'd run a foul the black well,
Speaker 1: there's that too. Yeah. So it was common practice for
Speaker 1: cosmopolitan black communities and major cities all over the country
Speaker 1: to be involved in this numbers game as a means
Speaker 1: of investing. Yeah. So there's this man, Stephen Robertson. He
Speaker 1: wrote a book called Playing the Numbers, Gambling in Harlem
Speaker 1: between the Wars, and he said of policy banking, quote,
Speaker 1: it was akin to putting money in the stock market.
Speaker 1: Many saw it as an investment, and it was just
Speaker 1: as risky as putting money in the stock market back then.
Speaker 1: So true, this is how it would work. Players would
Speaker 1: place bets, so a nickel was considered a big bet
Speaker 1: at the time, on a number between one and nine
Speaker 1: hundred ninety nine. The organizers figured out what the winning
Speaker 1: numbers were based on two figures, the total daily clearances
Speaker 1: among all the member banks and the Federal Reserve Bank
Speaker 1: credit balance. So they would combine the second and third
Speaker 1: digits from the bank clearings with a third digit from
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve Bank balance. So, per Playing the Numbers
Speaker 1: that book, the game worked out as such. The last
Speaker 1: Monday before Christmas, nineteen thirty, the clearings were five hundred
Speaker 1: eighty nine million dollars and the balance was one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixteen million dollars. Hence the winning number was eight
Speaker 1: nine six, So it's five eight eighty nine and then six.
Speaker 1: Anyone who bet on eight ninety six got to pay out,
Speaker 1: So this is going along great. Then in the late thirties,
Speaker 1: financial institutions stopped announcing their daily figures, so the policy
Speaker 1: bankers they had to figure out, where are we going
Speaker 1: to get our numbers. They turned to the mutual totals
Speaker 1: of what was paid out on horse races. So Saint Clair,
Speaker 1: she's mathematically gifted. This is the numbers that I my
Speaker 1: family played. I heard about this exactly. So she's she's
Speaker 1: like this math whiz. Her lottery is just raking in cash.
Speaker 1: She was such a boss that people started calling her
Speaker 1: Queenie in Manhattan and Madame Saint Clair in Harlem. So
Speaker 1: the Harlem numbers game, though that's a man's world at
Speaker 1: this time. Oh yeah, she was like pretty much the
Speaker 1: only woman out there and involved. But she's generating all
Speaker 1: these jobs because her game is huge. She's making all
Speaker 1: this money, so she's hiring numbers runners and Henchman and Henchman,
Speaker 1: but she had like fifty runners at a time hired.
Speaker 1: Do you know who worked as a numbers runner for
Speaker 1: Queeny when she was a teenager, I don't know. Gordon Parks,
Speaker 1: Ella Fitzgerald is not incredible. So she Queenie lives this
Speaker 1: absolutely lavish lifestyle. In the twenties, she was making about
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars a year, and that's kind of like
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty thousand dollars today. That's not bad
Speaker 1: at a nineteen thirties there's this journalist who figured out
Speaker 1: that Queeney was worth probably around five hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: so that's like eleven million dollars today. She owned property
Speaker 1: and she was just like building wealth the only way
Speaker 1: that she could. She lived in an apartment on four
Speaker 1: o nine Edgecomb Avenue that's in sugar Hill, looking over
Speaker 1: what is now Jackie Robinson Park. Yes, couple blocks from
Speaker 1: the Harlem River. There were a lot of esteemed members
Speaker 1: of the Harlem community living in this same building. Callaway
Speaker 1: the painter Aaron Douglas, future Supreme Court justice. They're a
Speaker 1: good night, Marshal Nice Duke Gellington in this mix web. So,
Speaker 1: Katherine Butler Jones was a neighbor of hers, and she
Speaker 1: remembers seeing Queeney in the halls. This is what she said,
Speaker 1: Madam Stephanie Saint Clair raising through the lobby with her
Speaker 1: fur coat dramatically flowing behind her. She had a mystical
Speaker 1: aura about her, and she wore exotic dresses with a
Speaker 1: colorful turban wrapped around her head. Yeah. So she's just
Speaker 1: like floating through the goddess. Yeah. So she she donated
Speaker 1: to organizations that were focused on racial progress, and voting
Speaker 1: rights was a big thing for her. She regularly paid
Speaker 1: for ads to involved in suffragist movements. Essentially well at
Speaker 1: this point in the thirties, I backed it up to you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I mean before I'm sure. And so
Speaker 1: she paid for ads in local papers because she wanted
Speaker 1: to educate the community on their legal rights. Here's something
Speaker 1: that she put in the Amsterdam News. Quote to the
Speaker 1: members of my race, and that's in all caps. If
Speaker 1: officers meet you on the street and suspect you of anything,
Speaker 1: do not let them search you on the street, or
Speaker 1: do not let them take you in any hallway to
Speaker 1: be searched. If the police should ring your doorbell and
Speaker 1: you open your door, refuse to let them search your
Speaker 1: house unless they show you a search warrant. So it's
Speaker 1: just these are our basic civil rights as Americans, something
Speaker 1: that all of us should know. And at people because
Speaker 1: didn't know, presume that if a cop is asking you questions,
Speaker 1: that the best thing to do is to try to
Speaker 1: exculpate yourself and tell them why you're in a right
Speaker 1: and we're the best thing to do is not say
Speaker 1: anything exactly everybody, And so she's wanting them to have
Speaker 1: the same information as everybody else. I don't act like
Speaker 1: a perp, right, So she was. She spoke out against
Speaker 1: police brutality against the black community, and she filed complaints
Speaker 1: about police harassment with local authorities. Um, I think it's
Speaker 1: important to stop and acknowledge how dangerous that was for her.
Speaker 1: Oh right, so the New York police she is brave
Speaker 1: like to go ahead and bad racist at this time. Well,
Speaker 1: of course nothing came of her complaints, right, probably not?
Speaker 1: So what does she do? She ran more ads in
Speaker 1: Harlem papers accusing senior officers of corruption. She just keeps
Speaker 1: upping the antiamus. Here's this is from the nineteen, nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty nine edition of the Amsterdam News quote, I don't
Speaker 1: understand how these police who are supposed to be the
Speaker 1: protection of the people can make raids for so called
Speaker 1: policy slips when these same men are participants of the
Speaker 1: game themselves. So she's calling out, look, you're my customers,
Speaker 1: and then you turn around, you're going to raid me out,
Speaker 1: thinks Okay, I love how she's just constantly taking out
Speaker 1: ads in the papers. That's her bulletin board. So this
Speaker 1: time though, when she calls out her own customers, she
Speaker 1: gets a response. She got arrested. They came after her
Speaker 1: and she wound up doing eight months in a workhouse
Speaker 1: because of that. Would Queenie take this lying down? But no, no,
Speaker 1: of course not. So she stayed cool. And then she
Speaker 1: went and testified to the Seabury Commission, which was a
Speaker 1: joint legislative committee formed by the New York legislature, And
Speaker 1: that was because the governor FDR he had this probe
Speaker 1: into corruption in New York City. So she tells them
Speaker 1: all about the kickbacks that she paid to police officers.
Speaker 1: She tells them all about the cops who played the
Speaker 1: Harlem numbers games. This time she gets results. More than
Speaker 1: a dozen officers were fired. Yeah, this is a big deal.
Speaker 1: This is part of how he made his name exactly.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't just crooked cops and politicians that she
Speaker 1: aired out in her newspaper ads. If men came courting
Speaker 1: and she wasn't interested, she'd run ads. Oh yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what she quote to whom it may concern. I
Speaker 1: have received letters and telephone messages from men which have
Speaker 1: annoyed me very much, and I take this occasion to
Speaker 1: ask them publicly to please not annoy me. I, Mademoiselle
Speaker 1: Saint clair Am, not looking for a husband or a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: If you do not stop annoying me, I shall publish
Speaker 1: their names and letters in the newspaper. And you know
Speaker 1: who you are. Right. I love how everything she does
Speaker 1: is from this really confident and serene place. She's unflappable.
Speaker 1: She's definitely a queen. Yeah, she has definitely earned the name.
Speaker 1: So prohibition comes and goes, the Harlem numbers game just
Speaker 1: keeps cooking along. Oh yeah, it doesn't mean anything, but
Speaker 1: another challenge is at hand. Dude, Harlem's number game runs
Speaker 1: until like the seventies. No, it just keeps going. But
Speaker 1: here's this thing pro lottery basically, yeah, pretty much, prohibition ends.
Speaker 1: It had been big business for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: a lot of people like dancers and musicians. People you're
Speaker 1: not thinking, you're not just people were bootleggers, but everybody
Speaker 1: in the work the club. But when you look at
Speaker 1: the bootleggers, they have to find a new source of revenue.
Speaker 1: When we come back, I'll tell you who moved where
Speaker 1: and how and why? Nice? All right, we're back. Hey,
Speaker 1: look at us, Say Elizabeth, what you do when we've
Speaker 1: left off. Let me give you a little recap. Queenie
Speaker 1: Saint Clair, she was ruling the policy bank numbers game,
Speaker 1: had worked hard for people in her community. She also
Speaker 1: had now had a principal, Lieutenant Ellsworth Bumpy Johnson Bumpy.
Speaker 1: He was a culture gentleman, but he was also a badass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yes he is. He They called him Bumpy because
Speaker 1: he had a large bone on his forehead. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: he and Queeney they're basically running her element at this point.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, they're raking in the dough. They're living these
Speaker 1: really comfortable lifestyles. Prohibitions coming going has no effect. Now
Speaker 1: are they partners? Were member business like seers like, we
Speaker 1: both get it exactly. I like this. She got some
Speaker 1: on her level totally. So prohibition comes to an end.
Speaker 1: Other criminal elements are losing money. No more illicit hooch
Speaker 1: to sell. As such, this means that there's a loss
Speaker 1: of the cash cow for both the Jewish and Italian
Speaker 1: crime families in New York, among among other diversification. They
Speaker 1: make a move on the Harlem gambling scene. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: they did so, as you said, Bronx mob boss Arthur
Speaker 1: dutch Schultz Flagenheimer. Oh yeah, he kicked it off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the one. He gave the black and brown communities
Speaker 1: in Harlem two options, give up their numbers business to
Speaker 1: him or kind of in on the action. Those are
Speaker 1: the choices. So dutch Schultz, he has high powered politicians
Speaker 1: on his payroll, everybody, he had James Pines, leader of
Speaker 1: Tammany Hall, everybody on his parents. And he'd also beat
Speaker 1: and kill anyone who didn't go along with his protection scheme. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was ruthless totally. So this led New York State
Speaker 1: Special Prosecutor Thomas Dewey. And he was smart as hell too.
Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't one of those like twitchy mobsters.
Speaker 1: This is somebody who was calculating cold and would have
Speaker 1: been an amazing business man legitimately well, Thomas Dewey says
Speaker 1: that he's public enemy number one because he was the
Speaker 1: guy he ran. Now. Queeney, though, she's as brave and
Speaker 1: as steadfast as ever, even when faced with Dutch Schultz,
Speaker 1: she said, quote, I'm not a f of Dutch Schultz
Speaker 1: or any other living man. He'll never touch me. I
Speaker 1: will kill Schultz if he sets foot in Harlem. He's
Speaker 1: a rat. The policy game is my game. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: a huge statement to him tending to kill Dutch, So
Speaker 1: that's not even it. So then Queeney and Bumpy they
Speaker 1: send a message to Dutch by attacking business storefronts that
Speaker 1: ran his own betting operations. They all on the attack. Queeney,
Speaker 1: what else did she do? She took to the papers again,
Speaker 1: so she started running ads encouraging the people of Harlem
Speaker 1: to quote play black. So she's like she wanted gamblers
Speaker 1: to only use black owned and controlled operations, right, So
Speaker 1: she and Bumpy then they tip off the police about
Speaker 1: Schultz's illegal activities. They raid Schultz's house, more than a
Speaker 1: dozen of his men get arrested. They seize the equivalent
Speaker 1: of about twelve million in cash today. Snap, what does
Speaker 1: dutch Schultz do? He retaliates, Oh, violently. I imagine he
Speaker 1: calls Queene at her own home and threatens her, and
Speaker 1: that of course didn't work. He then kidnapped and murdered
Speaker 1: her men. So there's there's our one person, some of
Speaker 1: our one percon Yes, and she wouldn't budge. She's like
Speaker 1: no by her men. Do you mean her henchman? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So then dutch Schultz puts a hit out on Queenie. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what she had to say about it. We
Speaker 1: know who who he hired for. No, she said she
Speaker 1: hid in a cellar, quote while the super a friend
Speaker 1: of mine, covered me with coal. So she knew that
Speaker 1: the killer was coming in the building. Went to the cellar.
Speaker 1: Super the superintendent of the building covers her with coal
Speaker 1: to hide. Wow. Another time, Yeah, another time Schultz sent
Speaker 1: a henchman to intimidate her. But you know Queeny's going
Speaker 1: to Queenie. Yes, So she got the jump on him.
Speaker 1: She pushed him into a closet, locked him in, and
Speaker 1: then ordered her bodyguards to quote take care of him.
Speaker 1: So that's another part of our one persons. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know for certain though, that she meant what we
Speaker 1: all think she meant, because like maybe she understood that
Speaker 1: hurt people hurt people, and that she wanted her men
Speaker 1: to have an encounter therapy session with the guy, like
Speaker 1: nurture him into a kinder state, lots of cozy blankets
Speaker 1: and comfort for you, take care of him, take care
Speaker 1: of him, feel good. Well anyway, so Duch shelts, he's
Speaker 1: like bringing way too much danger and way too much
Speaker 1: police attention and death. Why can't Queeny do her thing
Speaker 1: in peace? That's what I wanted. She picked a fight
Speaker 1: with mad touch shots. Well, she knew what she had
Speaker 1: to do. She went legit she did. She passed the
Speaker 1: crown to Bumpy, and she said, you're now in charge
Speaker 1: of my entire criminal enterprise, and she trusted him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what did Bumpy do? Well, Bumpy turned around and
Speaker 1: made a deal with who Luck. So Lucky took over
Speaker 1: Schultz's spots with a percentage going to Bumpy, and the
Speaker 1: Italians now had to go through Bumpy if they had
Speaker 1: any problems in Harlem. And that was the safest option
Speaker 1: for Bumpy. That is the absolute smasting for good done. Yep,
Speaker 1: so lucky Luciano. He felt like all of Dutch Schultz's
Speaker 1: craziness was damaging the entire Cosin Nostra in New York.
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty five, he went to the commission the
Speaker 1: bosses of the Five Families, and he had a hit
Speaker 1: put on Shoults. He pretty much it helped form the commission.
Speaker 1: I mean Frank Costello. There's a bunch of people, but
Speaker 1: he's like a major player, the one who he goes
Speaker 1: to them. He's like, Schultz is a problem. Put a
Speaker 1: hit on him, he asks for it, he gets it.
Speaker 1: Um Schultz. He gets sprayed with bullets while on the
Speaker 1: toilet at the Palace chop House in Newark, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: and he gets taken to the hospital. Queen, he had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the shooting. Can I just say
Speaker 1: that she's not part there? However, she wasn't mourning the guy.
Speaker 1: So when she found out, she wired a telegram to
Speaker 1: his deathbed and this is what it said, Yes, this
Speaker 1: is what it said, as ye's so, so shall ye
Speaker 1: reap Galai six seven on that one? That's amazing And
Speaker 1: she signed it Madame Queen of Policy. She's stone cold
Speaker 1: on top this this act made the papers. The pers
Speaker 1: sending the te made the paper. How did the nurses tell?
Speaker 1: I guess Dutch Shultz. He died on October twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five, one day after the shooting. I suppose
Speaker 1: reaping when he had sown. Oh yeah. So after this,
Speaker 1: Queenie eventually led a man into her life. She found
Speaker 1: a partner and a man named sufi Abdul Hamid or
Speaker 1: Eugene Brown. Oh okay. Before he moved to New York,
Speaker 1: he'd been living in Chicago, calling himself Bishop Conshunkin, a
Speaker 1: Buddhist cleric. Okay, so he's not like Noble drew Alie.
Speaker 1: I thought he's like Black Moorish. Oh yeah, he is,
Speaker 1: oh okay. So he was the eventual leader of an
Speaker 1: Islamic Buddhist cult. He's a black separatist. Yes, and he
Speaker 1: used to tell people that he was born in the
Speaker 1: shadows of the Egyptian Pyramids. I guess of then, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wanted to make a move. Of course, of course
Speaker 1: he did. So he goes to Queeny and he asks
Speaker 1: for money fund my dream project. We're in the in
Speaker 1: the forties at this point, thirties okay, and she says no.
Speaker 1: But they kept in contact okay. And then one night
Speaker 1: he declared his love and said will you marry me?
Speaker 1: And she said give me three days to think it over. Well,
Speaker 1: they really stayed in content, huh. And then after three
Speaker 1: days she goes, yep, I'll marry you. She accepts. What
Speaker 1: so in nineteen thirty six they get married. What's the scam?
Speaker 1: What's the angle? Queenie? But not legally so Hamide. He
Speaker 1: draws up a contract that binds their mutual assets as
Speaker 1: well as them their persons for ninety nine years. This
Speaker 1: is some weird like, I don't trust a man who
Speaker 1: wants to tign a content. And this also made it
Speaker 1: into the papers, this whole union right. There was a
Speaker 1: particularly barbed account of the marriage in a paper called
Speaker 1: The New York Age. Familiar with it? Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: that it exists. It's a prominant black paper. At the time.
Speaker 1: They kind of roast Hamide, making fun of his outfit.
Speaker 1: This is what how they described his clothes. Quote. His
Speaker 1: perennial garb, in addition to his turban, comprises a green
Speaker 1: cape and a shirt, knee breeches and writing booths. Wait
Speaker 1: knee breeches and a cape. Dudes walk around Harlem and
Speaker 1: knee breaches. He's like his own special superhero. They took
Speaker 1: digs at him, claiming to be oh, and they like
Speaker 1: pointed out his criminal history. And then they really went
Speaker 1: hard at Queeney really because this is what they said.
Speaker 1: They said they didn't believe her claims that dutch Schultz
Speaker 1: wanted to kill her. This is what it said. Quote.
Speaker 1: It was this writer's opinion throughout the publicity seekers rantings
Speaker 1: that it was beneath dutch Schultz's dignity to waste valuable
Speaker 1: ammunition to silence her. Sounds like some black intellectuals jealous. Well,
Speaker 1: it was known as the distinguished Black newspaper of opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna celebrate criminals, but the whole high minded
Speaker 1: like oh and then also with the cutting dismissing part,
Speaker 1: like so they're also lifting him up at the same time,
Speaker 1: like he wouldn't have busy business with you. That's the
Speaker 1: come on now, So anyway, go back to your Claude
Speaker 1: McKay poetry. Back up. So, anyway, all of Queenie's resources
Speaker 1: were bound to Hamide. Thanks to this contract, ten grand
Speaker 1: was placed in a trust of his was placed in
Speaker 1: a trust for her. Oh he does have something, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know who's ten grand wasn't really his. The
Speaker 1: document though, wasn't legally binding, but he said it was
Speaker 1: binding under Sharia law. What the he is a Muslim
Speaker 1: Buddhist who follows Sharia law of his own making. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you just want to keep ending. Yeah, we're on the
Speaker 1: same green It gets so much better slash words. The
Speaker 1: contract also had a clause though, that the couple had
Speaker 1: a year to figure out if this relationship would actually work.
Speaker 1: If it didn't, they would split and the contract would
Speaker 1: be avoided. So there was an annulment clause. Kind Yeah, essentially,
Speaker 1: if they feel it was it was working after a year,
Speaker 1: then they would get married for real in the eyes
Speaker 1: of the US government. Oh they doubled down. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: so Hamide, he's setting off alarm bells for you, a
Speaker 1: million of them. He should rightly so, like a china
Speaker 1: shop he had. He had a nickname. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: bad one. Yeah, let me set this up for you.
Speaker 1: A historian named Murray Friedman wrote a book called What
Speaker 1: Went Wrong The Creation and Collapse of the Black Jewish Alliance.
Speaker 1: In it, he talks about how Hamide had quote courted
Speaker 1: the German American booned and and the Nazi like Christian Front. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the German American booned from thirty late thirties. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: all coming together, chanting the marching. Amide was a strong
Speaker 1: advocate for hiring of black employees. That's great, that's valid, sure,
Speaker 1: but he created a negative to balance out that positive
Speaker 1: by orchestrating violent boycotts against Jewish owned and Italian and Greek.
Speaker 1: That's why doesn't matter. There's also his fashion choices. He
Speaker 1: liked to wear out fits that incorporated Nazi style military
Speaker 1: shirts big Hugo boss fan, and he wore a dagger
Speaker 1: in his belt get out and he required cape, the
Speaker 1: gold lined cape. And he also wore a purple turban. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks unhinged in picture. Why would Queen he go
Speaker 1: for this? Well, and also that doesn't make sense, what
Speaker 1: is she doing? His anti Semitic hate speech was off
Speaker 1: the charts, super offensive, super dangerous, and as such, he
Speaker 1: was known throughout the community as Black Hitler. So wait
Speaker 1: a minute, if you're known as Black Hitler in the thirties,
Speaker 1: the third before, when Hitler was first making a name
Speaker 1: from the hibster of Hitler's. He's like, oh, you haven't
Speaker 1: heard about him yet. Not everyone knows this guy coming up,
Speaker 1: and I'm the black hymn so horrible, I mean, what
Speaker 1: the hell? Bro like? Well, and he had a labor union,
Speaker 1: of course, it went through name changes. First it was
Speaker 1: called the Negro Industrial and Clerical Alliance, Then it was
Speaker 1: the Afro American Federation of Labor. Adam Clayton Powell what
Speaker 1: the first African American to be elected to Congress from
Speaker 1: New York. He worked with him for a short time
Speaker 1: in labor protests store boycotts. Powell dipped out when this
Speaker 1: is what's interesting, when Himid went from just targeting whites
Speaker 1: and Jews to going after light skinned black people like himself.
Speaker 1: That's where he drew the line. Adam to talk. So
Speaker 1: he has this labor union, well, rival black labor unions
Speaker 1: didn't like his labor bet not. He would collect these
Speaker 1: one dollar dues from each unemployed black worker who wanted
Speaker 1: a job at a store before he'd start a pressure
Speaker 1: campaign to get him hired. But the campaign is not falling.
Speaker 1: He's getting really wealthy off of this, so he's charging
Speaker 1: people money to have does it basically say if you
Speaker 1: give me this dollar, I'll go put pressure on these
Speaker 1: people to hire you. And they're like, all right, bet,
Speaker 1: and he's doing it for like a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and it was like they only have so many spots,
Speaker 1: and he's like, look, I we're gonna get you a
Speaker 1: job dollar a week. I'll go and puts costume and
Speaker 1: black Hid are going to get it done. So one
Speaker 1: of his critics was Hammy Snipes. Okay it was a
Speaker 1: political activist and a former member of Marcus Garvey's Universal
Speaker 1: Negro Improvement Association in African Communities League. Snipes was critical
Speaker 1: of Hamid and his tactics, and Hamid didn't like that.
Speaker 1: So in October nineteen thirty six, Snipes is giving this speech,
Speaker 1: He's calling for equal pay for African American members of
Speaker 1: the meat cutters union. Hamid and his buddy Alan McAlpine
Speaker 1: they attacked Snipes and they stabbed him in the arms. Oh,
Speaker 1: physically attacktives. Yeah yeah, I thought you were saying like rhetorically, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is where they like start stepping across lines. Snipes
Speaker 1: gets ten stitches and the growing support of the community.
Speaker 1: So Hamide he gets twenty days in prison and then
Speaker 1: is eventually barred from picketing. That's it. So in response,
Speaker 1: he's like, fine, you won't let me pick it. I'm
Speaker 1: going to start a mosque, the Universal Holy Temple of Tranquility.
Speaker 1: So he's like one of the first black Muslims in
Speaker 1: this country, but he wasn't a so seated with Nation
Speaker 1: of Islam. Yeah, I assuming he's basically a rival of
Speaker 1: Noble drew a Lee, same time, same area, and he's
Speaker 1: coming up with his version of like a back to
Speaker 1: Africa spiritual movement. Right, he's when Marcus Garvey's going to
Speaker 1: try to get you there, I'm going to try to
Speaker 1: get your spirit there exactly exactly. So it was very
Speaker 1: It was a heady man. He starts calling himself a bishop,
Speaker 1: which okay, of course made the funny hat. He gets
Speaker 1: a brand new nickname. He's no longer a black Hitler,
Speaker 1: black miter, black moftie. I was close so August in
Speaker 1: August nineteen thirty seven, he opened his organization to Jewish members.
Speaker 1: So wait, now he's cool. Now he's with the chosen
Speaker 1: people because he needs what from them? Money? I guess,
Speaker 1: I don't know. He'll take anyone with money. I would suppose.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So he's doing his thing, he's running
Speaker 1: his mosque and he's running around on Queeney. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: take a break. Let's let's let's work on this. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, let's get calm down. Let's listen to some
Speaker 1: smooth ads. Just cool out. When we get back, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what happens when you cross Queenie. Hey's Aaron
Speaker 1: a good good Okay, those commercials are really smarting. No. Right,
Speaker 1: So when we left off Queene Saint Clair, she'd married
Speaker 1: Black Hitler. Yes, he's a black separatist general slees Ball,
Speaker 1: anti Semit con man philandrap embarrassment to her and the race. Yes.
Speaker 1: Three ten pm on January eighteenth, nineteen thirty eight, Hamid
Speaker 1: Black Hitler. He's heading out of his apartment on three
Speaker 1: O nine West one hundred and twenty fifth Street in Harlem.
Speaker 1: This is thirty eight before. I'm just trying to find
Speaker 1: the year. Yeah, and he's on his way to go
Speaker 1: see his lawyer and he runs into Queeny in the
Speaker 1: third floor hallway. Zaren close you? Oh yeah, I want
Speaker 1: you to picture it. You're on foot and you've just
Speaker 1: left the Apollo theater. You're in charge of booking acts there.
Speaker 1: You're walking down West one hundred and twenty fifth Street
Speaker 1: on a quick break before you head back to work.
Speaker 1: You want to get some air, maybe stop in somewhere
Speaker 1: for an egg cream. There's a great fountain not too
Speaker 1: far up the street. You're whistling some Mozart as you walk.
Speaker 1: As you pass the five story apartment building on three
Speaker 1: O nine West twenty fifth, you decide to poke your
Speaker 1: head in and say hi to your friend, Clarence Dade.
Speaker 1: He's the elevator operator there. He loves Mozart, and you
Speaker 1: just got a bunch of records from Europe that you
Speaker 1: want to share with him. A few weeks ago, on Christmas,
Speaker 1: the two of you had listened to Arturo Tuscanini conduct
Speaker 1: the NBC Symphony Orchestra on US radio for the first time. Now,
Speaker 1: it was mostly Vivaldi, whom no one seemed to really
Speaker 1: play at the time, but there was a lot of
Speaker 1: Mozart and Brahms. And you've been whistling ever since. I'm
Speaker 1: you are You step into the lobby, you Greek Clarence.
Speaker 1: You're just about to tell him about the records when
Speaker 1: a shot rings out, then another, then another. Clarence looks stunned.
Speaker 1: The two of you race up the stairs, listening at
Speaker 1: each landing to see if that's where the shot originated.
Speaker 1: You reach the third floor landing and Clarence yaged the
Speaker 1: door open. You stay in stairwell in case you have
Speaker 1: to run back down for help. You peek into the
Speaker 1: hall and you see Clarence standing over a large man
Speaker 1: who's sprawled on the floor. A well dressed woman stands
Speaker 1: beside them. That's Queenie Saint Clair. You think to yourself.
Speaker 1: A few doors down a neighbor woman had her head
Speaker 1: it poked out the door. Is he okay? Asked that
Speaker 1: resident Nettie Roach. She's panicked. He's alive, replies Clarence Zarin.
Speaker 1: Run down to the lobby and call for help. It
Speaker 1: You dash down the stairs in elegant Zaren style, speed
Speaker 1: lifting yourself off the banisters in like early Parkour arches
Speaker 1: and leaps. You grab the phone and you hit the
Speaker 1: receiver for the operator. Queeny Saint Clair just shot Black Hiller.
Speaker 1: You're about to tell the operator that it served him right,
Speaker 1: but you keep that to yourself. The police arrived. Queeney's arrested,
Speaker 1: Black Hitler lived, So there's no one percent involved here, Queenie.
Speaker 1: She gave interviews in the weeks leading up to the trial.
Speaker 1: She posed for photographs from her room in the women's
Speaker 1: detention prison in Manhattan, as well as photos at the
Speaker 1: one twenty third Street police station. So she's just making
Speaker 1: an event of it. At the trial, Queeney testified that
Speaker 1: Hamid was a gambler, that he was involved in business
Speaker 1: ventures that went nowhere, wiped out all his cash, and
Speaker 1: he was just constantly asking her for money. What really
Speaker 1: ground her gears though, was that Hamid had a mistress.
Speaker 1: She was a Jamaican fortune teller named Dorothy Matthews who
Speaker 1: went by the name Fu Fundam. Yeah, Fu fu Ttam
Speaker 1: fo fum. Queeney accused Fundam and Hamid of trying to
Speaker 1: start businesses using her money. What was one of the
Speaker 1: ventures selling manure. Queeney also said that they tried to
Speaker 1: poison her and it wasn't a killer, but to gain
Speaker 1: her trust by quote unquote caring for her in her state. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she would like they would try and get
Speaker 1: her to give them loans when she was all dazed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So talking about that confrontation in the hallway. This is
Speaker 1: what Queeny said. Quote, I didn't want to kill him.
Speaker 1: I only wanted to scare him. If I killed him,
Speaker 1: I would have died. So she loves him. Oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you now. It took me a second. But
Speaker 1: what I think it was, I meant no, I don't know,
Speaker 1: so I'm just wondering, Queeny says. Queeny says that the
Speaker 1: gun is a means right. Quote. When I tried to
Speaker 1: grab the gun from him, he threw me against the
Speaker 1: wall and bit my finger. It was during the struggle
Speaker 1: to gain possession of the gun to keep him from
Speaker 1: killing me that it went off three times. Yeah. She
Speaker 1: holds up her hand. She's got her fingers wrapt in
Speaker 1: white tape. She slowly unwraps the tape and shows the
Speaker 1: jury her wounds from where he bitter black hitler bit
Speaker 1: my finger. And then they have this nurse Rosa Glover,
Speaker 1: she's from the detention center. She comes and she verifies, yeah,
Speaker 1: those are teeth marks on her hand. Um, Nettie Roach
Speaker 1: that neighbor that you saw in the hall She backs
Speaker 1: up Queeney's testimony. She says, look, I looked out Hamid's
Speaker 1: holding the gun and said I'll shoot you to Queenie.
Speaker 1: So that's what the neighbor sees. Queenie's lawyer gets Hamide
Speaker 1: to admit that his real name is Eugene Brown and
Speaker 1: that he was from Philadelphia, like h Rat Brown's dad,
Speaker 1: I think. So he admitted that Dorothy Matthew's aka Fo Fatam,
Speaker 1: Buttim was his mistress. Okay, so he confesses to that.
Speaker 1: Queenie's attorney he get he got one hundred dollars fine.
Speaker 1: When he tried to push Hamid to talk about how
Speaker 1: he got the nickname black Hitler. Do you imagine him
Speaker 1: like in court, like her name's wrap up, like who
Speaker 1: here would go back in time and kill baby black Hitler?
Speaker 1: Do you think he had like the dash L at
Speaker 1: the end of his name. Oh yeah, well that you
Speaker 1: know that's black mors, So he probably didn't. He probably
Speaker 1: had dash m because he wanted to be distinct. He's
Speaker 1: the next So the lawyer right is like, tell us
Speaker 1: how why they call you black Hitler? They just like
Speaker 1: knock it off. That's immaterial, and now you gotta pay
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars fine because you won't let it go.
Speaker 1: Because he wouldn't stop with the black lighter. I know. Um,
Speaker 1: so what did Hamid say? He claimed that Queeney shot
Speaker 1: him on site three times, beimming. He said that the
Speaker 1: first shot singed his mustache and chipped his teeth. The
Speaker 1: second one chipped his teeth. Uh was she fired a
Speaker 1: twenty two? The second one grazed his arm and burned
Speaker 1: his coat. What the third bullet lodged in a wall?
Speaker 1: So you're pal Clarence. He testified too. He said that
Speaker 1: he heard a boom and then he heard hamide yell
Speaker 1: I am shot. He said that he heard Queeney say
Speaker 1: as he approached, he's lying. He was shooting at me. So, Clarence,
Speaker 1: here's the whole conversation. The patrolman who made the arrest
Speaker 1: also testified. His name is Frederick Damro. No he was
Speaker 1: called to the stand by the prosecution. Damro said he
Speaker 1: questioned Queeny right after the shooting. He asked her, why
Speaker 1: did you shoot your husband? She replied, I got tired
Speaker 1: of paying. Queeny denied ever speaking to him or any
Speaker 1: police staff in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. That
Speaker 1: lines up with her standard practice. Right. It should be noted, though,
Speaker 1: six months after the trial damro. He gets indicted for
Speaker 1: conspiracy and grand larceny for setting up and shaking down
Speaker 1: a Hungarian upholstery manufacturer. No a dirty New York century.
Speaker 1: His word isn't really worth much, and his actions lined
Speaker 1: up with what Queeney had been saying her whole life. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Queeny, a ballistic specialist testified and said the
Speaker 1: gun had to be at least eighteen inches away from
Speaker 1: Hamid when it went off, so she plt her in
Speaker 1: a tussle. She pulled her on back. There was no
Speaker 1: gunshot residue on his clothing. He moved fast, so much
Speaker 1: for the he was shooting at me defense. The prosecution
Speaker 1: rests that's it. It took the jury three hours to
Speaker 1: deliver their verdicts. Also not good. Yeah, they found her
Speaker 1: guilty of possession of a deadly weapon and first degree assault.
Speaker 1: She gets sentenced to two to ten years in state
Speaker 1: prison for women in Bedford Hills, New York. The judge
Speaker 1: concluded a sentencing by saying, quote, this woman has been
Speaker 1: living by her wits all of her life. She has
Speaker 1: a bad temper and must learn that she can't go
Speaker 1: around shooting in other people. He starts out like it's
Speaker 1: a compliment, and then if he gets to like finger Wagon,
Speaker 1: they all stop with your pop. Wait, this is America, man,
Speaker 1: this is what we do. So what were her last
Speaker 1: words as she left the courthouse, You can eat, According
Speaker 1: to journalist Sumitra Nadu quote. One news source claimed she
Speaker 1: after her infamously sinister laugh and merrily thanked the judge.
Speaker 1: Another wrote that she was escorted out of the room,
Speaker 1: stealing a baleful glance at McVeigh and hissing q louse.
Speaker 1: One article claimed she said, with dramatic a plum quote,
Speaker 1: he'd done me wrong and he'll get his just desserts.
Speaker 1: Yet another wrote that she simply blew a kiss. I
Speaker 1: like that one. I bet she was asking Bumpy, you
Speaker 1: know this man's address, get lucky a home visit? Well,
Speaker 1: so me. Less than a year later, he's flying his
Speaker 1: private plane. This guy du well, he crashed it on
Speaker 1: Long Island after running out of fuel and he died.
Speaker 1: Are you happy Zarin? And then in all the papers
Speaker 1: it was like he and his white secretary. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she lived. He he didn't make it. He ran out
Speaker 1: of fuel. Is he Here's the thing, Like he would
Speaker 1: constantly tell his congregation that like, yeah, okay, fine guys,
Speaker 1: the plane's really expensive, but I'm going to keep costs
Speaker 1: down by not filling the tank all the way. And also,
Speaker 1: think about it, it it gets me closer to God. Well yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: the savings of me running around with a low tank.
Speaker 1: And then this is what happens right where. I can't
Speaker 1: believe he actually did it. I thought he would just
Speaker 1: lie to hey, he was telling the truth. His religious
Speaker 1: group fell apart soon after his death. His mosque was
Speaker 1: converted to a dance hall featuring a one legged dancer
Speaker 1: that is like the greatest end cap to his tail. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm over here trying not to make any inappropriate jokes
Speaker 1: about a one legged dancer, but like I do you
Speaker 1: keep thinking about the stripper pole and the one legged dancer.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got a lot to say. Queeney served
Speaker 1: three years and then was released and then the two
Speaker 1: toy she she gets out and she really leans into
Speaker 1: her advocacy work on political reform. Bumpy, remember Bumpy dude.
Speaker 1: He became the king of Harlem, and it's believes about him.
Speaker 1: He went to live with Queeney and spent his twilight
Speaker 1: years writing poetry. I love that right. An article from
Speaker 1: the nineteen forty three New York Amsterdam News. There's more
Speaker 1: than one that year, but whatever said that Queeney went
Speaker 1: to the West Indies to visit relatives before going into
Speaker 1: seclusion under Bumpy's protection. And Bumpy passed away from a
Speaker 1: heart attack in nineteen sixty eight, and then that's what
Speaker 1: changed Harlem, to be quite honest, right, one year later,
Speaker 1: just shy over seventy third birthday, Queeney passed away. Most
Speaker 1: sources said that she died with a lot of money,
Speaker 1: was really wealthy. Some say that she died broke in
Speaker 1: a Long Island psychiatric facility. I don't want to believe them. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't believe she ever had kids, so
Speaker 1: I don't know who would be her heir or what
Speaker 1: would become of any fortune that she still had. But
Speaker 1: she worked really hard to stay out of the spotlight
Speaker 1: in her later years, so there's really no telling. There
Speaker 1: was a film called Hoodlum made in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 1: starrying Cecily Tyson as Queeney, Laurence Fishburne is Bumpy, and
Speaker 1: Tim Roth as Dutch. Yeah, HBO has a movie about
Speaker 1: Queeney in her life coming up a parent. So I
Speaker 1: think she's in the Dutch Schultz movie briefly that uh
Speaker 1: we're um Dustin Hoffman plays. I think she's maybe bumpy,
Speaker 1: just bumpy. But I think there's well and there's also
Speaker 1: there's a graphic novel called Queeney, Godmother of Harlem by
Speaker 1: um Orley Levy and Elizabeth Columba. A graphic novel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if that just came out, um, just recently. So she's
Speaker 1: in our consciousness, she's in our hearts. Queeney a guiding light,
Speaker 1: Zaron Elizabeth Burnett? What is your what's your ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 1: My ridiculous takeaway is a green cape in breeches. That's
Speaker 1: all I keep thinking about. Dude, that they're like in
Speaker 1: jodpurs and a turban and like like some kind of
Speaker 1: weird scimitar and he's any spouting nandy Semitic stuff and
Speaker 1: people are like, this guy, get out of here. That's
Speaker 1: what like, like, why are we have to be saddled
Speaker 1: with him? This is why segregation sucks well, and they stuck,
Speaker 1: We're stuck with him. The question is why with Queeney?
Speaker 1: So you know, one guesses, but Yeah, what is like
Speaker 1: the fact that she's so self possessed and independent. And
Speaker 1: then it's when she gets out of the game that
Speaker 1: she said with him, he's got bumpy writing poetry. So
Speaker 1: she's got a soft side, she's got an intellectual side,
Speaker 1: she's got a sensitive soul, maybe an artist soul, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it. She's got she can appreciate
Speaker 1: the finer things in life. And then she's got this
Speaker 1: Jacknape out there acting like a clown on speed. Well,
Speaker 1: and I wonder too if she didn't really have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to connect with someone who was more on the
Speaker 1: straight and narrow and like also fighting her civil rights fights, right,
Speaker 1: because they didn't want to be associated marshal type. Right,
Speaker 1: somebody who's self possessed, smart could deal with her. But
Speaker 1: she's bad for the reputation exactly. So that's the problem.
Speaker 1: And it's like she needs a piano player. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the women like her in the past. Yeah, a reliable
Speaker 1: piano player, because that guy, he's gonna need you, he's
Speaker 1: a piano player. He can't live on his own, honestly,
Speaker 1: so then he'll be loyal and don't have dud to
Speaker 1: make sure he's not out there like you know, catting
Speaker 1: around and then yeah, or getting all strung out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is that concern always with the piano players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with the jazz musician, especially at the jazz cats. But
Speaker 1: I still think get yourself a musician, baby, you'd be
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