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Speaker 3: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 3: What do we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot of interesting things that are

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Speaker 1: happening this morning. We have new polls and it's the

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Speaker 1: New York Times SIENA poll of several battleground states. So

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Speaker 1: this is a really important and very closely watch one

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Speaker 1: because this is considered a highly rated poster. We also

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Speaker 1: have some interesting polls from other sources as well. Break

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Speaker 1: all of that down for you about the current state

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Speaker 1: of the race. Meanwhile, Trump is really flailing. He bought

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Speaker 1: into this whole AI crowd sized conspiracy theory. He's still

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Speaker 1: holding on to his former opponent Joe Biden just can't

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Speaker 1: let it go. Will bring you some of the highlights

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Speaker 1: and low lights from that. Kamala has launched a very

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Speaker 1: hawkish immigration ad, so we'll take a look at that

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Speaker 1: and what that says about her campaign, her posture, the

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Speaker 1: way she has changed over the years, et cetera. Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan sort of endorsed RFK Junior and chaos from the

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Speaker 1: Trump Magaarl freaked out, ensued.

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Speaker 4: Again, Trump flailing.

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Speaker 1: Trump actually responded to it anyway, we'll show you all

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Speaker 1: of that. Meanwhile, in some very very frightening and quite

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Speaker 1: dire news, Ukraine has actually invaded Russia. It's gotten very

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Speaker 1: little attention in terms of the news media, very little

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Speaker 1: So we'll take a look at that. Israel is still

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Speaker 1: awaiting what Aron's response to Israel's latest provocation may be.

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Speaker 1: There are some developments in terms of potential ceasefire. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 4: But his emails.

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Speaker 1: Trump campaign emails were hacked, potentially by Iran ken Klippenstein

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Speaker 2: However, eighty five days until election day, I think I'm

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the polls.

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Speaker 3: We have a million and they're actually quite relevant. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, as I was saying New York Times, Siana, this

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Speaker 1: it really closely. And they pulled three battleground states Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. They show a pretty similar

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Speaker 1: I think that piece about her obtaining an outright majority

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Speaker 1: Of course, all the caveats in the world, These same

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Speaker 1: Zager was alluding to some of their polling that came

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Speaker 2: And this is where you know, both media and Kamala

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Speaker 3: She's disavowed every public.

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Speaker 2: Policy position that she's ever had, and it's like everybody

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Speaker 3: Sure, it's going to be a battleground. We're going to

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Speaker 2: North Carolina has significantly changed in the last four years.

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Speaker 2: It has one of the most booming economies in the

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Speaker 2: entire United States, second only to Arizona. They've had massive

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Speaker 2: population inflow to Raleigh and to Charlotte in those urban

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Speaker 2: areas they have a lot of fundamentals East Coast time banking,

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Speaker 2: lots of jobs, it's a good place to live if

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Speaker 2: you're under twenty five or so. They have high starting

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Speaker 2: salaries relative to the other big cities. But what that

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Speaker 2: means is that they will have a similar Georgia phenomenon

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Speaker 2: or Austin phenomenon, where we have all of these people

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Speaker 2: largely from blue states, probably highly educated or people with

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Speaker 2: bachelor's degrees, who are moving in and becoming newly registered voters,

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Speaker 2: and that is just enough perhaps to turn the tide

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Speaker 2: when we look at only a couple of one hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand votes, which are the margin of victory. And you know,

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Speaker 2: things don't have to go a different Things can go

451
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Speaker 2: a different way. If it rains, if it's nose, whatever,

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Speaker 2: something could very much materialize a surprise there. Most importantly

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Speaker 2: what I just brought up about Nevada, where they didn't

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Speaker 2: think they would have to spend that much money in Nevada,

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Speaker 2: or it's that much in North Carolina. Well, now you

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Speaker 2: might have to spend millions just to win by one

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Speaker 2: or two percent. That's a bad situation. Generally, let's put

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Speaker 2: the final one out there. Please, on the screen. This

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Speaker 2: was an Arizona pole. This was conducted after July thirty,

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Speaker 2: and this show is Kamala actually leading Trump by about

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Speaker 2: two point eight percent, and that is in the US

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Speaker 2: Senate race. They have Diego up by eleven percent over

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Speaker 2: Carrie Lake. So this is the other question. Is Carrie

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Speaker 2: Lake going to be a drag on the Trump ticket?

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Speaker 2: Very possible considering how unpopular she appears to be in

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Speaker 2: the race in Arizona. The flip side of that for

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is that I saw a rally I believe

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Speaker 2: with Comma of some twenty five thousand people in a

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Speaker 2: stadium in Arizona that is astounding. Then they had to

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Speaker 2: turn people away at the door. That's a bad situation.

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Speaker 2: I mean that level of enthusias Arizona similar. Actually, they

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Speaker 2: have doubled economic growth of North Carolina. What I was

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Speaker 2: just talking about. Their inflow is massive from California and

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Speaker 2: from elsewhere. Their economy is booming. And Maricopa County, as

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Speaker 2: we all learn in twenty twenty, is that primes suburban

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Speaker 2: white vote that Kamala and Biden are going after with

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Speaker 2: everything that they've got, highly highly educated, very very like

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Speaker 2: they want to come out and vote specifically on abortion,

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Speaker 2: and then what did we all forget what happened in

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Speaker 2: Arizona just several months ago, that whole eighteen sixty four abortion.

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Speaker 3: Ban and all that nightmare.

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Speaker 2: You think they you know, if you think they've forgotten that,

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Speaker 2: they certainly haven't. Millions of dollars in ad spend. Is

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Speaker 2: they are on abortion right now?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they have an abortion ballad initiative yes,

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Speaker 1: this fall as well, which could very much help drive

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Speaker 1: turnout and be you know, in a close race, could

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Speaker 1: be a determining factor. I don't know if it's quite

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Speaker 1: as stark as in twenty twenty two, where the Republicans

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Speaker 1: nominated just a rash of candidates that were really, you know,

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Speaker 1: unpalatable to a mainstream audience. But you do have in

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Speaker 1: some key states, you know, Kerrie Lake weighing down the

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Speaker 1: ticket in Arizona, Mark Robinson weighing down the ticket in

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Speaker 1: North Carolina and also contributing to the Democratic messaging that

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Speaker 1: this is a fringe ticket, this is a quote unquote

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Speaker 1: weird ticket. That are you know, these are all headwinds

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Speaker 1: that Republicans now have to deal with that previously they

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Speaker 1: were completely sailing above. I mean I really thought with Biden,

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Speaker 1: Arizona was gone, Nevada was gone. The only prayer he

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Speaker 1: had after that debate, he really didn't have a prayer anywhere,

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Speaker 1: but the only prayer he had was hoping to hold

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Speaker 1: on to those three blue wall industrial Midwestern states Georgia, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: Nevada over. And now you've got Kamala leading in polls

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Speaker 1: in those states and potentially even putting North Carolina back

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Speaker 1: in play, which again we haven't seen since Obama two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. So just an absolute one to eighty turn,

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Speaker 1: and you know, to segue into the next piece. Trump

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Speaker 1: is really struggling to deal with it because as much

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Speaker 1: as listen, Joe Biden is older and way more feeble,

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Speaker 1: and so when he was in the race, you sort

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Speaker 1: of forgot about Trump's age. But he's also an old man,

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Speaker 1: and one of the common things is, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you get all you get stuck in your ways. And

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Speaker 1: he had his head set on this race being a

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Speaker 1: certain way and it is not that way anymore. And

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Speaker 1: he's clearly having trouble letting go of his previous opponent,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, and that showed up at a recent rally.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 3: I think crooked Joe is boy correct.

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Speaker 5: It's like.

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Speaker 6: You're like, all right, ready, crooked first, right, what do

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Speaker 6: you like better, Crooked Joe or sleepy Joe. Crook it

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Speaker 6: seems to always win. I mean, he's a crooked guy.

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Speaker 6: All he had to do is think of it. If

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Speaker 6: he didn't do the debate, he'd still be running. They'd

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Speaker 6: be saying how great he is. He's a brilliant man,

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Speaker 6: a wonderful guy. Couldn't beat me now, I mean, after

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Speaker 6: the debate, he was down, way down in the polls.

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Speaker 6: They didn't even want to show the polls. They said

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Speaker 6: he's sucking to win. So they said, we're going to

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Speaker 6: take him out and we're going to put somebody new.

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Speaker 6: And this never happened to anybody before. You've spent we

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Speaker 6: spent one hundred million dollars fighting crooker Joe Biden, and

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Speaker 6: then all of a sudden they decided to take him

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Speaker 6: out and put somebody else in. She never got one vote.

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Speaker 6: She was the first loser in the primaries. You know,

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Speaker 6: she ran against Joe Biden and everybody else. I think

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Speaker 6: they had like sixteen people running. She never made Iowa.

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Speaker 6: The first aid.

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Speaker 3: I love Iowa.

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Speaker 6: You know why I love it because I went at

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Speaker 6: every single time with the farmers.

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Speaker 7: We went it.

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Speaker 8: But she never made Iowa.

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Speaker 6: She was the first one to quit and now and

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Speaker 6: stupid honestly, she was the nastiest to him too, and

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Speaker 6: then he picked her. I couldn't believe it. And she

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Speaker 6: was part of the cabal that got him out. You know,

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Speaker 6: they got him out. They said, we'll do it the

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Speaker 6: nice way. We'll do it the hard way, Joe. We'll

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Speaker 6: use the twenty fifth Amendment and we'll call you mentally

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Speaker 6: incompetent and everybody.

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Speaker 3: Will believe us.

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Speaker 6: And you know, what they did is a terrible thing. Actually,

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Speaker 6: they forced him out. It was a coup. We had

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Speaker 6: a coup. That was the first coup in the history

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Speaker 6: of our country, and it was very successful. He said, okay,

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Speaker 6: i'll leave. If that's what you want, I'll leave. And

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Speaker 6: now he's seeing what the competition is. I hear he's

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Speaker 6: going to make you comeback. At the Democrat convention.

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Speaker 3: He's going to.

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Speaker 6: Walk into the room and he's gonna say, I want

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Speaker 6: my presidency back, I want another chance to debate Trump.

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Speaker 7: I want another chance.

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Speaker 1: So still still hoping, still live in the dream that

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Speaker 1: maybe Joe Biden's going to come back.

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Speaker 3: I think it's tough.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, I understand where he's coming from,

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Speaker 2: but I just think that look, really, what I have

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Speaker 2: come to look at is where twenty sixteen Trump calls

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Speaker 2: the mood of the country correctly, and that is perhaps

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Speaker 2: his single biggest political insight. Hillary and everybody is running

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Speaker 2: on optimism all you know, trying to recapture Obama, and

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Speaker 2: He's like, no American carnage.

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Speaker 3: That's the message.

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Speaker 2: It was a negative campaign, but negative in a way

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Speaker 2: that it captured the rage of the American people. The

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Speaker 2: reason that Biden narrowly edges out Trump is because he

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Speaker 2: did not return to normalcy.

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Speaker 3: But he's like, everything is just too crazy.

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Speaker 2: Elect an old guy and I'll just sit on my

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Speaker 2: hands for four years and everything will be fine. And

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Speaker 2: again that's enough to bring people out. But the Trump

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Speaker 2: carnage mension still resonates now Here is where I think

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Speaker 2: it gets complicated, because right now we have Change is

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Speaker 2: the number one thing that people want from a presidential candidate,

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Speaker 2: but change from what and that means many different things

588
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Speaker 2: to different people. One of the things that Tim Wulas

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Speaker 2: has impressed me on is the joyful warrior. And there's

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Speaker 2: also you have Kamala embracing this generic d messaging, abandoning

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Speaker 2: all of her previous positions and trying to just be

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Speaker 2: as un what is it inoffensive as humanly possible, so

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Speaker 2: you could project whatever you want unto her. That is

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Speaker 2: actually a Trumpian strategy. Trump was all things, all people.

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Speaker 2: It was his greatest political strength on top of that,

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Speaker 2: and so watching the grievance from Donald Trump, I really

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Speaker 2: worry for him.

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Speaker 3: It misses the message.

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Speaker 2: And it's actually something I don't necessarily notice whenever I

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Speaker 2: see other successful Republicans or even jad Vans in many

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Speaker 2: of his interviews, He's not channeling that same level of

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Speaker 2: grievance both about today and then centering it around himself.

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Speaker 2: At the very least, it's usually grievance about something like

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Speaker 2: policy related. And so for Trump, the more that it

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Speaker 2: turns grievance onto him, and the more that it seems

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Speaker 2: to be away from where that the change message Americans want,

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Speaker 2: and it's stuff like this re litigating what he doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem to understand as Americans of keep saying this have

609
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Speaker 2: such a tremendous capacity for amnesia. People don't even remember

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Speaker 2: Biden exists. They don't barely remember that the Trump got

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Speaker 2: shot a month ago.

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Speaker 3: A month ago.

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Speaker 2: But that I mean, everyone's like, it's unfair. Okay, that's life.

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Speaker 2: You have to you know, you have to go to

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Speaker 2: war with the troops that you have. And I really

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Speaker 2: think he's misreading the mood of the country. I also

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Speaker 2: will say this, why he and Bose in Montana? Why

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Speaker 2: are we in Montana? A state how many four electoral votes?

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Speaker 4: There's a close Senate context.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's his job to get elected. Your job

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Speaker 2: is to get elected president. Bro, you haven't done a

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Speaker 2: rally in five days, and your asses on a plane

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Speaker 2: to Montana? What are you doing?

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Speaker 3: And she go camp out in.

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Speaker 1: The Midwest And he doesn't have any other rallies for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the month. For the rest of the month,

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Speaker 1: he went to Montana.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 1: So at the same time, you know, he so, I

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Speaker 1: think one of the clever strategies of the Democratic Party ticket,

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Speaker 1: and this really is you know, this came directly from

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls. I think the rather than making Trump bigger

633
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Speaker 1: than life of the threat to democracy and restored about

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Speaker 1: this like very moralizing, sort of grandiose language about him. Instead,

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Speaker 1: they're sort of they're diminishing him, they're making him small,

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Speaker 1: and they're rolling basically, they're rolling their eyes and laughing

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Speaker 1: at him. So that's where weird is a very different

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Speaker 1: frame than the threat to democracy frame. And in that contact,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the things that he's doing where he's

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Speaker 1: you know, this wild press conference he did last week

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Speaker 1: where he's had all kinds of stuff, and the National

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Speaker 1: Association of Black Journalist where he throws out the you know,

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Speaker 1: race baiting stuff, and then the latest conspiracy theory that

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Speaker 1: he's glomming onto. It just feels sort of pathetic, like

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Speaker 1: it feels desperate if you.

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Speaker 4: Can see that he's struggling.

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Speaker 1: And so the I think that the rhetoric of laughing

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Speaker 1: at him, not taking the bait every time, just moving

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Speaker 1: on and staying focused on the message, I think has

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Speaker 1: been very wise from them from a political standpoint. So

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Speaker 1: just to break down this latest conspiracy, So, you know,

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Speaker 1: Kamlain and Tim Wall's Democrats are elated that it's not

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump at the top.

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Speaker 9: Of the ticket.

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Speaker 1: They are elated that they have a candidate who could

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Speaker 1: read a teleprompter or ably and has some charisma on

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Speaker 1: the stump and is able to just do like the

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Speaker 1: basics of competent campaigning. And so they have been turning

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Speaker 1: out in droves to every single rally that they've done.

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Speaker 1: This is very difficult for Donald Trump specifically mentally to

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Speaker 1: wrap his head around because in his head he's the big.

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Speaker 4: Rally guy, right. And there have been.

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Speaker 1: A and I think you know, magazine kind of their

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Speaker 1: own self constructed like super online bubble where they also

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Speaker 1: can't wrap their head around the fact that there's a

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Speaker 1: genuine enthusiasm for the change in the ticket. So you

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Speaker 1: started seeing this floating around many many accounts took this

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Speaker 1: and ran with it. There's this whole theory that actually

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Speaker 1: the rally cap crowds aren't real. In it all centers

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Speaker 1: around this one photo of her landing. Where was this

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Speaker 1: but in Nevada, I think Detroit, and there they you know,

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Speaker 1: circled in on the plane and they're saying, oh, look,

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Speaker 1: you can't see the reflection of the crowd and the plane.

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Speaker 1: So this is all AI. This isn't real. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously this is preposterous. There were a lot of people there,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, Yes at all around there were

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Speaker 1: you know, reporters from Fox News at this rally who

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Speaker 1: also reported on the crowd, like, do you think that

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Speaker 1: they're in the bag for the Harris Walls campaign at

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Speaker 1: it's preposterous, it's really desperate, empathetic. But it's one thing

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Speaker 1: when a rando on Twitter at Jody Blues is sharing

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Speaker 1: this kind of content. It's another thing when the former

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Speaker 1: president and current Republican nominee decides to go in on

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Speaker 1: this as well. So Trump shared the exact same thing

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Speaker 1: and says, has anyone noticed that Kamala cheated at the airport?

686
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Speaker 1: There was nobody at the plane and she aied it

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Speaker 1: and showed a massive crowd of so called followers, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't exist, and then goes on to say, you know.

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Speaker 4: She's a cheater.

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Speaker 1: She had nobody waiting, that some maintenance person turned her

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Speaker 1: in and exposed the fraud, etc.

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Speaker 4: Etc.

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Speaker 1: And he finishes by saying they're even worse at the

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Speaker 1: ballot box. She should be disqualified because the creation of

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Speaker 1: a fake image is election interference. Anyone who does that

696
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Speaker 1: will cheat at anything. So rather than just repeating borders

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Speaker 1: are over and over again, this is instead the line

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Speaker 1: of attack on Kamala, which again just to any normal person,

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Speaker 1: looks and feels preposterous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's stupid. It's just one of those where Trump.

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Speaker 2: This is where Trump actually is its own worst enemy,

702
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Speaker 2: and he's not playing four or five D chests. And

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Speaker 2: there is a reason that there's not a single other

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Speaker 2: elected Republican who is even doing this. He will glob

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Speaker 2: onto anything we learned this during Stop the Steal, anything

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Speaker 2: that you contributes to his ego. And hey, in an

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Speaker 2: eighteen month race where you get to run against Kamala,

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Speaker 2: I think that's fine. You know, history has proven it

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Speaker 2: won't necessarily count against you. It's just a baked in

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Speaker 2: part of your personality. But when we only have eighty

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Speaker 2: five days until election day, is that really what we

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Speaker 2: want to be spending our time on. We have no rallies,

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Speaker 2: We are attacking Brian Kemp. We are you know, making

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Speaker 2: ridiculous claims about false AI generated images of crowds. Also,

715
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Speaker 2: don't take it from me, take it from Timpoole. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so somebody with more credibility, I think with people from MAGA,

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Speaker 2: like everybody is laughing and it is desperate. And that's

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Speaker 2: where again I'm coming back to that mood of the

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Speaker 2: country thing, I think he is misreading that people are

720
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Speaker 2: not as outraged about the Biden situation as he has,

721
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Speaker 2: perhaps some Republicans, but that's not the whole country. And

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Speaker 2: that just gets to like how when message and grievance

723
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Speaker 2: aligns with the mood, that's whenever he wins the best.

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Speaker 2: Whenever it's on policy, that's whatever it can be convenient.

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Speaker 2: But here is where twenty twenty two energy is coming

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Speaker 2: into play, and you are actually out of step where

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Speaker 2: people are. For example, I watched his entire press conference

728
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Speaker 2: on Thursday, and he made one of the most articulous

729
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Speaker 2: statements I've ever seen from him, and it's against wish casting.

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Speaker 2: He said, I don't think abortion will be a major

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Speaker 2: issue in this campaign. And it's like, I get that

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Speaker 2: you wish that to be the case, but that's not

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Speaker 2: how that works. Like, in fact, telling people not to

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Speaker 2: worry about the number one thing that most Democrats and

735
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Speaker 2: some swing voters are worried about seems to be the

736
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Speaker 2: opposite of how it should be. You want to allay

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Speaker 2: their concerns and then maybe talk about immigration a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit more on top of that.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just watching him flailing, and I think, again

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Speaker 2: I empathize on a human level as to how difficult

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Speaker 2: it probably is to be in that situation and dizzying.

742
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Speaker 2: But you go, you know, like the cards are dealt

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Speaker 2: the way that they are dealt, and that's just how

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you had close to ninety percent of the country

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Speaker 1: that was glad Biden stepped aside for everyone's having So

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Speaker 1: you know, if you think that you're and I've seen

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Speaker 1: some message testing on this as well, like going back

749
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Speaker 1: and re litigating what happened in the pressure campaign to

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Speaker 1: push Biden out. No one's interested in it. They're like,

751
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Speaker 1: onward and upward, what are you going to do for me?

752
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Speaker 1: What's the program for the future. But he is struggling

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Speaker 1: clearly to get past his sense of the injustice and

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Speaker 1: unfairness that was done to him. And like you said,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can understand like they did an entire

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Speaker 1: R and C assuming it was going to be Joe Biden,

757
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Speaker 1: and then the rug gets pulled out from under them immediately.

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Speaker 1: It was that weekend after the R and C, right

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00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: where you know, after all of this messaging and program planning,

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Speaker 1: and you're looking at the polls and you're not doing great,

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Speaker 1: and this is going to be so easy, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I can really run up the score in

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Speaker 1: these states that shouldn't even be on the map. And

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Speaker 1: like that, it's changed, and he is clearly struggling to

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Speaker 1: adjust to that reality. And it's also the shoe is

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Speaker 1: now on the other foot where Democrats previously, Joe Biden

767
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Speaker 1: specifically was in total denial about the collapse in his position,

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Speaker 1: electoral position, and polling status, and his aids were helping

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Speaker 1: to insulate him in the bubble and only bringing him

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Speaker 1: the best numbers to allay his concerns and feed his

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Speaker 1: ego because they didn't want to have to deal with

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Speaker 1: his wrath if they brought him some bad news that

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to hear. Well, now you have the

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Speaker 1: Trump campaign doing the poll denial.

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Speaker 4: Not only do you have him denying.

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Speaker 1: That abortion is going to be a important issue, denying

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Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris is getting significant rounds of rally crowds

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Speaker 1: and has a lot of enthusiasm. They're just out and

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Speaker 1: out now doing pole unskewing the pole stuff. So let's

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. Trump's campaign polster put

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Speaker 1: out a new confidential memo responding to the New York

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Speaker 1: Times SIANNA polling showing Harris up in Blue Wall States.

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Speaker 1: He claims that they dramatically understated President Trump's support both

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Speaker 1: among all registered voters and in their likely voter model.

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Speaker 1: You know, Democrats, this is exactly Lee what I saw

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Speaker 1: a million Democrats online engaged in when Biden was down

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Speaker 1: in the polls.

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Speaker 4: They'd go in and they look at.

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Speaker 1: The sand Oh, they undersampled this demographic group. They oversampled

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Speaker 1: that demographic group. These aren't accurate. It's literally this same

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Speaker 1: pole the New York Times SATA poll. Democrats were doing

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Speaker 1: this same thing with when it was Joe Biden in

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Speaker 1: the race, and now that it's the same polster, it's

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Speaker 1: the very same methodology. Now suddenly the Democrats are good

795
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Speaker 1: with it. They believe it now, where it was fake

796
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Speaker 1: news before and now they believe it. And the Republicans

797
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Speaker 1: who were, you know, really trusted it last time when

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Speaker 1: it showed Trump up, now they're the ones who are

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Speaker 1: doing the unskewed the pole nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Oy not good.

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Speaker 2: Look, you know it's one of those where we mock

802
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Speaker 2: it from the Democrats because it is insecurity and it's like,

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Speaker 2: even if it is true, then prove it, like, actually

804
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Speaker 2: go out, continue to draw big crowds, have energy, point

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Speaker 2: to that, and then come election day, if you win,

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Speaker 2: you can say ha ha, look at you, you look

807
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Speaker 2: like an idiot.

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Speaker 3: So even with these.

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Speaker 2: People like, keep in mind, I don't necessarily believe any

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Speaker 2: of these I'm just looking at movement I think generally

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Speaker 2: indicative of something. Now, will you know how many of

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Speaker 2: us have all been burned here by poles to say

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Speaker 2: that we can believe one hundred percent of where things are.

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Speaker 2: It's only to try and shape the way that you

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Speaker 2: think trends are going. And that's perhaps the way they

816
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Speaker 2: should look at it. If anything, it's just a better

817
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: message to say, Look, if anybody gets a honeymoon period, Kamala,

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Speaker 2: I'll see you on the stage on September, whatever the

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Speaker 2: debate that they have agreed on, and I will humiliate

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Speaker 2: you in front of the American people. I think it's

821
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Speaker 2: a far stronger and a better message. And again, this

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00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: is where Trump's insecurity really comes from, because he is

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Speaker 2: the central character who is putting this stuff out. He's

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Speaker 2: the one who's ordering Tony Fabricio his Polster to put

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Speaker 2: that out. I don't see JD. You know, he did

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Speaker 2: what five interviews or whatever with the multiple different Sunday shows.

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Speaker 2: He didn't unskew the poles once because you look like

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Speaker 2: an idiot whenever you do it. I don't see even

829
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Speaker 2: the press secretaries and all of them doing this. It's Trump,

830
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Speaker 2: you know, trying to massage his own ego. And you know, again,

831
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Speaker 2: the more that he's going to make this thing about himself,

832
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Speaker 2: the more that I think he will lose. Let's put

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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen for eats ample. This

834
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Speaker 2: is a frankly hilarious anecdote.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but it.

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Speaker 2: Shows donors inside of the Trump the donors to Trump

837
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Speaker 2: who are urging him to try and shift some of

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Speaker 2: his rhetoric. This was including a roughly one hundred and

839
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Speaker 2: thirty people Quote dined in an air conditioned tent with

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Speaker 2: some of Trump's wealthiest supporters, including Bill Ackman, who sat

841
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Speaker 2: next to the former president.

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Speaker 3: Some guests Trump would signal.

843
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Speaker 2: Hoped that Trump would signal that he was recalibrating after

844
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Speaker 2: a series of damaging mistakes.

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Speaker 3: He did not.

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Speaker 2: Before the dinner, answering a question that raised concerns about

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Speaker 2: the upcoming election. Inside of the House. Trump said, We've

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Speaker 2: got to stop the steal, reviving yet again the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty election, claiming his advisors had urged him to drop

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Speaker 2: because they don't help him with swing voters. And that's

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Speaker 2: the thing about him. He is his own like nope.

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Speaker 2: And this is another maga thing I see all the time.

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Speaker 2: Why did Trump's advisors always listen? He's a grown ass man.

854
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Speaker 2: He could literally be my grandfather. It is on him.

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Speaker 2: He is the person who is making these decisions. To me,

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Speaker 2: he is just pure it. He cannot control himself. He's

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Speaker 2: one of those where if he feels something strongly, especially

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Speaker 2: if it impacts his own image and he appears he

859
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Speaker 2: thinks as damaging, he will just attack, attack, attack, and

860
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Speaker 2: he will talk about that regardless, especially if people tell

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Speaker 2: him not to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: In some cases, that's a political strength.

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Speaker 2: Here, I think it is very proven that it is

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Speaker 2: a political loser, and it's one of the things that

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Speaker 2: loses him the most of ground with people who are

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Speaker 2: swing voter. So that anecdote is a real insight into

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Speaker 2: him and how insecure he feels now at this moment.

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Speaker 2: Now he's been here before, you know, we've seen him

869
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Speaker 2: in access, Hollywood. We've seen him Charlottesville, many of these

870
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: other things, and he usually comes out both swinging and

871
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: usually you know, he's found himself to wriggle his way

872
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: out of a lot else. So I wouldn't put it

873
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: past him. And I still think the election is basically

874
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: a toss up if we look at Nate Silver and

875
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: everything else. But the trend is not good right now

876
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: for Donald Trump. Yeah, yeah, the trend is not good.

877
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: I think also part of this is him. He constructs

878
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: alternate realities for himself and for his followers. And you know,

879
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: we construct an alternate reality in twenty twenty where he

880
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: actually won and was wronged and he tried to overturn

881
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: the results. Now I think he would try to do

882
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: that again. He's trying to construct this alternate reality where

883
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: this is all fake. The rally crowds are fake, the

884
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: polls are fake. I'm actually up big. This is all ridiculous,

885
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: so that even if when he loses, he can persuade

886
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: his followers at the very least that actually this was.

887
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: All wrong and you know, the election was rigged, et cetera.

888
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: Et I do think he's partly laying the groundwork for

889
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: that and constructing that alternate reality in which he can

890
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: never lose. However, this time he's not the president. This time,

891
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any of the levers of power to

892
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: try to eat to even attempt to effectuate some sort

893
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: of you know, stop the steel type of situation. So

894
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: it's yeah, as I said before, it just looks pathetic.

895
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: And I can only imagine his donors, who you know,

896
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: got in when he was ride and high, now watching

897
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: this all sort of collapse and him being increasingly unhinged,

898
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 1: and what they're thinking about what they've signed on for here.

899
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: The other thing, as I mentioned before, is he is

900
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: not really like campaigning that much. She let's put this

901
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: up on the screen. He plans a light campaign schedule

902
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: for August. He contrasts with August twenty sixteen. Trump had

903
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: twenty seven rallies in the month of August in twenty

904
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Speaker 1: sixteen in fifteen different states. He later went on to

905
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: win most of those states in November. This month, Trump

906
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: is held one rally in Montana, not exactly a swing state.

907
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: And that is all that is planned. That's all that's

908
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: on the calendar for the entire month of August. Now,

909
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean, he could spin up a rally, you know,

910
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: and do a rally or two before the month's down.

911
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: But what his campaign was telling Politico and others is

912
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: basically like, now we're just gonna wait for the dums

913
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: to do their convention and come out swinging after Labor Day.

914
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: But again, man, you got a contens condensed timeline here.

915
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 4: It is so much.

916
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: Easier to be able to define someone who hasn't already

917
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: been defined. So right now, Kamala Harris and Tim Wallas

918
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: are out there finding you, defining jd Vance, defining themselves,

919
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: and you're basically not really fighting back at all. And

920
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: the rallies were really the lifeblood of that twenty sixteen campaign.

921
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 4: He fed off them.

922
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: It was part of what made him so strong in

923
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: terms of having his finger on the pulls and his

924
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: messaging because he would test stuff in real time with

925
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: the crowd and get a sense of what hit and

926
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Speaker 1: what didn't hit. So with him just you know, cocoonton

927
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: mar A Lago, with his yes men and yes women

928
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: around him, he's not able to get out into the

929
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: world and have that real sense of how things are

930
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: landing with an actual crowd.

931
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Speaker 3: Also earned media.

932
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Speaker 2: I mean, what one of the things that Trump was

933
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: the master at is He was just everywhere.

934
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Speaker 3: He was always on the airwaves.

935
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Speaker 2: In fact, if everyone remembers the twenty sixteen criticism of

936
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: the media is that they played too much of Donald

937
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: Trump because he gave them so much to work with.

938
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Speaker 3: Twenty seven rounds.

939
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: They couldn't resist fifteen states in August of twenty sixteen.

940
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: Why because you never knew what the man was gonna say.

941
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: He always made news and then not only would he

942
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: do that, then he would do I remember I attended

943
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 2: these conferences here in Washington, the Foreign Policy Conference, the America.

944
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: First thing, he would turn.

945
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: It into a rally, and then he would say that

946
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: he was going to make a major announcement, and then

947
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: he would have a campaign rally and force people to

948
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: cover it. So we've had one press conference, We've had

949
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 2: one rally in freaking Montana, which nobody cares about. Sure,

950
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: it's great to get a Republican elected in Montana, but

951
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: that's the Republican's job in Montana. Why is Trump acting

952
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: like his midterm season flying is asked all the way

953
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: to Montana again, he should be in the Midwest, he

954
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: should be in Arizona, he should be in Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada,

955
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 2: all of these different states, and that is I think

956
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 2: the central issue.

957
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: So from what I understand, that is the current plan.

958
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: Now from what I hear their alleged plan Crystal is

959
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: that after Labor Day they're going to dump as much

960
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: money as humanly possible on the airways and listen, maybe

961
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: that is enough to put them over because they're like,

962
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: at that point, he'll have the bump and all of that.

963
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: But I just think that the momentum and also frankly,

964
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: the media environment is one that needs to be shifted

965
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: and changed today. You have to get I mean, this

966
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: is something JD actually I think successfully did, going over

967
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: and pressing the media and be like, hey, why haven't

968
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: you guys taken any questions from Kamala. She came out

969
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: literally the next day and she said, I hope to

970
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: have an interview scheduled within the next month.

971
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: Scheduled within the next month.

972
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: Great, but she's actually taken two or three questions now

973
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: from the press corps.

974
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: Is that good? No, we need a ton more. We

975
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: need way more than that.

976
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: She'd be doing multi hour scrums considering that she dropped

977
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: in at the last moment, But that was enough to

978
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: at least put pressure on her where she's like, all right,

979
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: it's starting to look bad that I haven't done it.

980
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: I need to sixteen days exactly. So Trump should be

981
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: out there every single day. That was one of the

982
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: genius things of his press conference that he should be

983
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 2: doing over and over again. He said, every question, I'm

984
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: here taking questions from you on anything, including where I

985
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: got shot in my ear, including mif of pristone the

986
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: low as they call it, a hilarious moment.

987
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 4: At Tew points at the top.

988
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but listen, this is over what this was over

989
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: an hour long press conference. Just standing and doing that

990
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: is contrast. But the media, Comma, everybody's rolling their eyes.

991
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: You can't do it once. You have to do it

992
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: every single day. Force the conversation. Forced the conversation. And

993
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: let's say we set the media environment up so that

994
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: next week when we're all at the convention, Kamma is like, well, damn,

995
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: I do need to do something. I'm starting to look

996
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: bad if he does thirteen press conferences now in between

997
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: and rallies and he has energy and interviews and that's

998
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 2: something though, that he's not doing. And so by dropping

999
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: that and by getting the media less to contrast with

1000
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: Kamala actually looks okay, and that is where you know,

1001
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: the light campaign schedule.

1002
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 3: I don't think I could stress enough.

1003
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: I just think it's terrible, especially if all we hear

1004
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: on true social is this bullshit about ai rallies and

1005
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: unscrewing the polls. It's like when you have that, especially

1006
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: also in the absence of the lack of work, I

1007
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: don't think things are going well right now.

1008
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean right now, he's enabling Kamala and Walls

1009
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: to basically like vibe and mean their way to November.

1010
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: And you know, even when you do, even when he

1011
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: does a press conference, So he did this press conference,

1012
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: it's not like you was saying anything that was really

1013
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: like it was was not what his advisors would want

1014
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: him to say.

1015
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 3: Right.

1016
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: But here's the other thing is I think Trump two things.

1017
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: Number One, I think he sort of like burned out

1018
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: the circuits in terms of his typical style, like we're

1019
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: all so used to his antics that and the news

1020
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: cycle moves so quickly that like this whole you know,

1021
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: Kamala became black thing that he did what two weeks

1022
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: ago that would have sparked weeks of endless hand ringing

1023
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: from democrats in twenty sixteen and probably in twenty twenty

1024
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: as well.

1025
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 4: And when you're.

1026
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: Doing the whole like the soul of our country and

1027
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: democracies on the line, whatever, then that lends itself to

1028
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: this sort of like more sanctimonious moralizing that is just endless.

1029
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: When your frame is weird and pathetic, then you just

1030
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: sort of roll your eyes at it and move on.

1031
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: And so I think both, you know, the media isn't

1032
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: going to hang on to his attempts to grab the

1033
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: spotlight as much as they used to, and the Harris

1034
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: Walls campaign is set up much more intelligently to deal

1035
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: with any of his attempts to really grab the spotlight back.

1036
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: But you know, to the point about him not really

1037
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: grappling with reality, not being able to really deal with

1038
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: the landscape as it faces him. In that press conference,

1039
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: I believe the entire time he didn't say he attacked

1040
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: Tim Walls, he didn't say his name once, He didn't

1041
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: go with any of the attacks that you know, Republicans

1042
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: and Jadie Vance had been trying to make on Walls.

1043
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 4: Instead, he said this.

1044
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: Thing that actually I found completely hilarious mostly this is

1045
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: just an excuse to get this into the show, but

1046
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: also was incoherent and like barely an attack on him.

1047
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to how he talked about Kamala

1048
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: Harris's choice of Tim Walls.

1049
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 6: She's a radical left person at a level that nobody's seen.

1050
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 7: She picked a.

1051
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: Radical left man. That is, he's got.

1052
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 6: Things done that he has positions that are just not

1053
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 6: it's not even possible to believe that they exist. He's

1054
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 6: going for things that nobody's ever even heard of. Heavy

1055
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 6: into the transgender world, heavy into lots of different.

1056
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: Worlds, Heavy into lots of different worlds. Doesn't name a

1057
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: single policy, doesn't say his name.

1058
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 4: I don't.

1059
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't think that he could remember his name

1060
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: in this press conference because he didn't say it once.

1061
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: He just referred to him as like her radical left

1062
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: man or whatever.

1063
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: Trump is not currently sending his best, especially when JD

1064
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: you know, and all MAGA influencers are prosecuting the best

1065
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: they can on the airwaves. But this is the other

1066
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: thing again, they're still the number two man. The number

1067
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: two man can't overdo the yeah, number one man. In

1068
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: Trump's own works, especially world rarely matters correct, and I

1069
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: think that's true. Being the attack dog is great, but

1070
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: you're not the number one man. It's about ultimately supporting

1071
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 2: somebody above you. And what he says is by definition

1072
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: ten x more newsworthy than everybody else. So I think

1073
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: they're truly flailing This campaign strategy. I think is absolutely

1074
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: counter to the insurgency that he brought and energy of

1075
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. Even in twenty twenty, he criss crossed his

1076
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: damn country, went everywhere. The energy was very high, and

1077
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: remember he very nearly won that election. So I do

1078
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of problems in that campaign. Turning

1079
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: now to Kamala Harris and some of the changes that

1080
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: she's made in her campaign, it appears that she has

1081
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: fully flip flopped on immigration, and one of our own

1082
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: producers remarked that one of her latest ads on the

1083
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: border may as well come from the Republicans.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: Kamala Harris has spent decades fighting violent crimes. As a

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Speaker 9: border state prosecutor, she took on drug cartels and jail

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Speaker 9: gang members for smuggling weapons and drugs across the border.

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Speaker 9: As Vice president, she backed the toughest border control bill

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Speaker 9: in decades, and as president, she will hire thousands more

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Speaker 9: border agents and crack down on fentanyl and human trafficking.

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Speaker 9: Fixing the border is tough. So is Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 5: I'm Kamala Harris, and I approved this message.

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Speaker 3: She approves the message, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: This has got to be one of the biggest about

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Speaker 2: faces that we have seen yet from Kamala. On the record,

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Speaker 2: her campaign has disavowed now her positions. What is it

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00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: on fracking, on immigration, on healthcare? Am I am I

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Speaker 2: missing anything in terms of the shape.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mis vowels.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much anything she said in primary that could be

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Speaker 1: wrong she's run away from.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, she's not wrong that they did pursue

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Speaker 1: actually quite hawkish for a bidemocratic standards policy on the

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Speaker 1: border and tried to pass that bill that had a

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Speaker 1: lot of the Republican wish list priorities, et cetera. But

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Speaker 1: you know, as I've been saying Zager, like, I just

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Speaker 1: I don't think that this is the most effective messaging

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Speaker 1: because I don't think it's particularly credible. It's not credible

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Speaker 1: if you're leaning this ad right here, like putting aside

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00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: my views of the immorality of this direction. This ad

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00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: right here just sees the ground to the Republican view

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Speaker 1: of immigration, in which the only focus needs to be

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Speaker 1: cracking down, in which immigration is always bad and there's

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Speaker 1: nothing on the other side. We also, you know, to

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Speaker 1: your point, I'll get to what I think would be

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00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: more effective and what the sort of pulling of data

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Speaker 1: suggests would be more effective than its just like I'll be.

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Speaker 4: As tough as Donald Trumpy, if not even more.

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Speaker 1: It also really does contrast with the way she used

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Speaker 1: to talk about the issue not so long ago. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen to a little bit of that.

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Speaker 5: To somehow suggest then an undocumented immigrant is a criminal.

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Speaker 5: Being an undocumented immigrant is not a crime. I know

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Speaker 5: what a crime looks like. An undocumented immigrant is not

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Speaker 5: a criminal. An undocumented immigrant is not a criminal, and

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Speaker 5: an undocumented immigrant is not when we talk about the

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Speaker 5: immigration debate, I think there is no question that there

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Speaker 5: are powerful forces, including this president, that are attempting to

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Speaker 5: vilify immigrants because they were born in another country and

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Speaker 5: suggests that they are therefore any different in terms of

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Speaker 5: their fundamental values or beliefs or priorities. And I think

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Speaker 5: all of us as Americans should be insulted by that suggestion,

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Speaker 5: knowing that all of us are just a few generations,

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Speaker 5: if not one generation away from immigrants who arrived in

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Speaker 5: this country.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, come on, yeah, it's a total about

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00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: faith in terms of how she's prying.

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Speaker 2: And the reason it bog bugs me is that you know,

1140
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: when you don't sit for an interview, even to Jake

1141
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: Tapper or somebody like that, can roll back his own

1142
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: tape and be like, what are we doing here? Like

1143
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: you really are going to sit here credibly and make

1144
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: this case. We have gone from kop Mala to what

1145
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: criminal justice kamala to back to kop Mala, and it's like.

1146
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 3: Who are you?

1147
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: And this is where at least some people in the

1148
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Speaker 2: Trump field have begun to found their footing. So JD

1149
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,479
Speaker 2: had a potent attack in one of his interviews over

1150
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: the weekend where he's like, this woman believes nothing. She's

1151
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: a scripted machine. She is somebody who is completely a

1152
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: flip flopper. And I thought back to two thousand and

1153
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: four and one of some of the flip flopped attack

1154
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: on John Kerrey, and think back to what those splice

1155
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 2: ads used to look like back then. Keep in mind

1156
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: that was on security. But the reason why I think

1157
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: is potent here is immigration is the number one swing issue,

1158
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: where's the biggest golf between the two. And it's similar

1159
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 2: actually how the Democrats should be hitting Donald Trump, Like

1160
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: he claims that abortion is not going to be a

1161
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: big issue or any of that. It's like, tell if

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Speaker 2: I were them, I would say tell that to the

1163
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Speaker 2: women who were literally unable to get an abortion or

1164
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Speaker 2: don't even know, can't have any choice, you know, before

1165
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Speaker 2: they even find out that they're pregnant. So you want

1166
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: to be able to hit the golf issue where the

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00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: biggest issue divides you and your opponent. So that is

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Speaker 2: where I think the Trump people are going to try

1169
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Speaker 2: and focus. But as you also correctly said, I think

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Speaker 2: there is something just so deeply phony about this which

1171
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: hits to her character where you have no credibility, we

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Speaker 2: don't trust you. You said something very different previously, and

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Speaker 2: now you know, because of polling or whatever, you've decided

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Speaker 2: to disavow this. And if we do see swings or

1175
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Speaker 2: more potent attacks come on Comma, it will come from

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Speaker 2: this type of direction, I think.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, we all know why she's doing it

1178
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Speaker 1: because if you pull on the issues, this is the

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Speaker 1: issue where she has the greatest vulnerability. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the democratic instinct is, rather than make an alternative case

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Speaker 1: that actually reflects you know, the vision is. Democrats have

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Speaker 1: expressed it, including Kamala Harris over the past number of years,

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Speaker 1: just to see the ground say you know, we're going

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Speaker 1: to be just as tough. And again, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that that is the most effective way to go about it.

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Speaker 4: But let's put this pulling up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is from a democratic group that was testing a

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Speaker 1: bunch of different a bunch of different messaging and potential

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Speaker 1: attacks on Kamala Harris, and the one that was the

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Speaker 1: most damaging was on immigration. The message they tested specifically

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Speaker 1: was Vice President Harris has been an absolute disaster on immigration,

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Speaker 1: is by so called borders are She has turned our

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Speaker 1: southern border into a sieve, allowing countless legal immigrants, criminals,

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Speaker 1: and drug traffickers to flood into our country, hurt incompetence,

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Speaker 1: and open border policies have jeopardized American security and overwhelmed

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Speaker 1: our southern border. So that was the most potent hit

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Speaker 1: on her that they and they test an economic message

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Speaker 1: they tested like something like the anti family message. They

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Speaker 1: tested these she's not really black message that wanted to

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Speaker 1: do particularly well. But note what the most effective rebuttal

1201
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Speaker 1: is here. The number one most effective rebuttal that they

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Speaker 1: tested was as a daughter of immigrants, Vice President Harris

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Speaker 1: understands that people who want to come to the US

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Speaker 1: should do so the legal way like her parents did,

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Speaker 1: and that we need a system that creates better legal

1206
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Speaker 1: pathways for people to immigrate the right way. Vice President

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Speaker 1: Harris understands our nation strength comes from immigrants, and we

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Speaker 1: welcome people from all over the world to pursue freedom

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Speaker 1: and opportunity here. Vice President Harris will pursue responsible, humane

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Speaker 1: immigration policies that welcome, not threaten those seeking a better life.

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Speaker 1: So combined Sager the idea of like, Okay, people should

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Speaker 1: be coming here legally. Vice President Harris's parents came here legally,

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Speaker 1: both of them, and people should come here legally, but

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Speaker 1: we also need a system that allows for that, and

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Speaker 1: right now that's not possible, and it's a completely trasting

1216
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: vision rather than just seating Republicans like we got to

1217
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: be tough on the border, got to be tough on

1218
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: the border, got to be tough.

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Speaker 3: On the border.

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Speaker 1: It's an actually alternative vision and one that you know,

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Speaker 1: immigration is a complicated issue in terms of the polling

1222
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Speaker 1: on it, one that quite a lot of Americans, in fact,

1223
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Speaker 1: a majority of Americans also believe in this conception of

1224
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Speaker 1: the country. So you know, I think that's a much

1225
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Speaker 1: stronger direction to go in, not only because you know,

1226
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: I happen to agree with the policy, but also because

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Speaker 1: it doesn't open her up to these very clear charges

1228
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Speaker 1: of like, you sound completely different than you did just

1229
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Speaker 1: four years ago.

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Speaker 3: You're fake. And I think that's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I will note, you know, the number two

1232
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: thing that they tested was Vice President Harris is a prosecutor.

1233
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: Over the course of her career, She's taken on gangs

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Speaker 2: and drug smugglers, put a violent cop killer behind bars

1235
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Speaker 2: for life. She supports biparts in legislation for border patrol

1236
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Speaker 2: to the money they need. She will take border security force,

1237
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: putting violent gangs like MS thirteen, drug smugglers, coyotes, and

1238
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Speaker 2: human traffickers in prison. So that one, I mean obvious,

1239
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Speaker 2: that's a very popular message. I think it should be

1240
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: a popular message. Chie, But I think what you're correct

1241
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: about is not only about the testing. It's that that

1242
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: one is a way less fake than I'm the prosecutor

1243
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: who's going to throw these people in jail.

1244
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: It's like, no, you're not.

1245
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: You flooded our country with eight to ten million illegal people.

1246
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: Get out of here. Who do you think you are?

1247
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: And now you're going to tell me that you're going

1248
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: to take the border. Seriously, it's like you're a joke,

1249
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: and everybody who's voting on immigration, all of us know

1250
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: that you are full of shit. And that is where

1251
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't know though, where the swing state voter will

1252
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: receive this message, because this gets to what we just

1253
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: talked about with Trump, you need actual discipline. Even with

1254
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: Trump on immigration, I have yet to see him actually

1255
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: prosecute this case in the press conference and on the airwaves.

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Speaker 3: Now, look, it could be coming.

1257
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Speaker 2: Like I said, they claim that all of these ads

1258
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Speaker 2: are going to come after Labor Day, and they'll probably

1259
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: let these ads come out so that they can try

1260
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: to do the contrast. But that's a very dangerous territory

1261
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: thing for the Trump campaign. And broadly, you know, what

1262
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: we see too from Kamala is that if they can

1263
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: get her on immigration, which is the number one attack

1264
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: that bleeds through to the economy and everything else of

1265
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 2: this woman believes nothing. She's phony, and she's reading off

1266
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: of a poll tested script. And this is where her

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00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: refusal to do interviews and her refusal also to you know,

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Speaker 2: only participate in one debate, which is a disgrace. I mean,

1269
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Speaker 2: that really robs us of that chance to actually press her. Now,

1270
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Speaker 2: if I were her, I would do the same thing,

1271
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Speaker 2: you know, to be clear cynically, it's the correct move democratically,

1272
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Speaker 2: definitely not the best move.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Trump, just to give the example at

1274
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Speaker 1: that press conference, you know, he's still talking about the

1275
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: she became black at the National Association of Black Journalists.

1276
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: What he came there to make that attack like that,

1277
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Speaker 1: of all the things they tested, was the weakest of

1278
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Speaker 1: anything you could say about her, and I think has

1279
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Speaker 1: a major possibility of a backlash effect when you know,

1280
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Speaker 1: I don't agree with the direction in the frame and whatever,

1281
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: but clearly just saying borders are a million times is

1282
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Speaker 1: way more effective, That's true, and then forces her on

1283
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: the back foot to have to talk about what she

1284
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: said before and what she says now and get the

1285
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Speaker 1: press to you know, to start pressing the campaign on that,

1286
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: et ceteras. And like you said, it's not like they

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Speaker 1: don't respond. They have been asking Harris surrogates about the

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Speaker 1: quote unquote stolen valor Timwol's thing. They after Jade Vance

1289
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Speaker 1: went and track Diurner campaign plane, and Trump was making

1290
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: a big deal on us. She's not doing any interviews.

1291
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Speaker 1: She felt pressure to have to do interviews, so you know,

1292
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's the most ideal way for

1293
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Speaker 1: her to rebut these charges. But I also don't see

1294
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Speaker 1: the Trump campaign really effectively landing the attack at this point.

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Speaker 1: And I'm also just not sure of the salience of

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Speaker 1: the issue because also the numbers of the border have

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Speaker 1: gone down quite dramatically over the past several months. People

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Speaker 1: still say the economy is overall the number one thing,

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Speaker 1: and I know you'll say, like, oh, well, these things

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Speaker 1: are tied together, but most of the people who are

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Speaker 1: voting on immigration are Donald Trump voters to start with.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not sure that this will be

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Speaker 1: the critical issue that Republicans want it to be, and

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Speaker 1: it certainly won't be if they don't do an effective

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Speaker 1: job of raising the saliensge just because if.

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Speaker 2: Don vers are down, doesn't mean, like I said, there

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Speaker 2: are still eight to ten million new people who are

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Speaker 2: here illegally. The total illegal population is probably thirty million.

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Speaker 2: Now that's insane. That's almost eleven percent of this entire country.

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Speaker 2: So you know, you know, it's not like new numbers

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Speaker 2: aren't exactly making that horrible situation worse. And then second,

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Speaker 2: you know, of course I do think that they're tied,

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Speaker 2: but swing state polling tells us that the white working

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Speaker 2: class voter, the people that they allegedly need to you know,

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Speaker 2: win over, that is their number one issue is immigration.

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Speaker 2: It's not just the economy, and in the eyes of

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Speaker 2: the voters, the two are tied. So look, Arizona and

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Speaker 2: Arizona obviously very very border hawkish state that we have

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Speaker 2: seen from Mark Kelly and even the Democrats who are

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Speaker 2: willing to be like, I'm standing up to Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: So that's where I want to see Mark Kelly. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you know, someone in the press could ask him a question,

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Speaker 2: be like, you criticize Joe, and so do you stand

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01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: with Kamala Harris, Like which way do you think she's

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Speaker 2: going to go? And then if he says, well, she's

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Speaker 2: going to go in my direction, we can go to

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Speaker 2: her and be like, is that true? Is that what

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Speaker 2: you agree with? Because that's very different from where you

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01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: were three years ago. I just come back to when

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Speaker 2: you have the media like this in your pocket, it's

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Speaker 2: very difficult unless the Trump people are ultra disciplined and

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Speaker 2: force them to actually ask something. But if they continue

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Speaker 2: this bullshit about AI, I mean, that's a gift to

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Speaker 2: CNN seeing all they want to do all day at

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Speaker 2: CNN and MSNBC is look at this loser Trump talking

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Speaker 2: about AI, crowd photos and attacking Brian Kemp. Now, if

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Speaker 2: you don't do any of that and you only talk

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01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 2: about immigration, they got to talk about something and that's

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Speaker 2: how you actually get them to respond. So the discipline

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Speaker 2: and the lack of discipline from the Trump people is

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01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: honestly maddening to watch whenever you see somebody like this

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Speaker 2: just flip on a dime in the national public eye.

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Speaker 1: And obviously Trump has always been on discipline, But to

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Speaker 1: your point in previous iteration in twenty sixteen, in particular,

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, he was kind of I was like

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Speaker 1: all over the place, it's way too online. There wasn't

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Speaker 1: really an effective messaging strategy there either and lo and behold.

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Speaker 4: Even as an incumbent president, he ends up losing.

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Speaker 1: But in twenty sixteen, his lack of discipline worked to

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Speaker 1: his advantage because he had his finger on the pulse

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Speaker 1: of something, and he just doesn't this time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the only finger on the pulse with Trump right now

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01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: is just like his own sense of unfairness and grievance,

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Speaker 1: which isn't At that point, there was still that sense

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Speaker 1: of grievance, but it was like connected to how a

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Speaker 1: broader population.

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Speaker 4: Now it's just about him.

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Speaker 1: It's just about like how unfair this was to him personally,

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Speaker 1: and not this broader finger on the pulse message that

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Speaker 1: is actually landing. And so yeah, even if they have

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Speaker 1: an effective point that they can make here, which again

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Speaker 1: I think it is probably the best in terms of

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Speaker 1: issue focus, it is the best issue focus for them,

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Speaker 1: but he is unable to drive the point on an

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Speaker 1: issue that has always been one that he's been super

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01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about. So it's kind of wild to see

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Speaker 1: him flailing even in this area.

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Speaker 2: Only ever, in the words of Obama, said never underestimate

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's ability to fuck things up with Trump. I

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Speaker 2: think the same logic applies. Let's move to the next

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Speaker 2: part here, the Joe Rogan controversy. This also is emblematic

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Speaker 2: of me of Trump and many of his online boosters,

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01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: but not only making a bad strategic move, but just

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Speaker 2: showing tremendous, just tremendous, Like they're coming at this from

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Speaker 2: a position of such weakness where they seem to believe

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Speaker 2: that Joe Rogan praising RFK Junior and allegedly endorsing him,

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Speaker 2: as claimed by certain Twitter clippers incorrectly, was enough for

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Speaker 2: them to turn and to begin attacking one of the

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Speaker 2: most popular podcasters in the entire country. So here we

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Speaker 2: have the clip that set everything off, Rogan talking about

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior in a positive manner.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: That's just what they do. That's politics. They do it

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01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 10: on the left, they do it on the right. They

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01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 10: gaslight you, they manipulate you, they promote narratives. And the

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Speaker 10: only one who's not doing that is Robert F. Kennedy Junior.

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Speaker 3: You a fan, Yeah, I am a fan.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. He's the only one that makes sense to me.

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Speaker 10: He's the only one that he doesn't attack people. He

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Speaker 10: attacks actions and ideas.

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Speaker 3: But he's.

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Speaker 10: He's much more reasonable and intelligent. I mean, the guy

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Speaker 10: was an environmental attorney and cleaned up the East River.

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Speaker 10: He's a legitimate guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's all he said. Now that was construed

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Speaker 2: as a quote unquote endorsement by several people on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: By the way, shall we all just take this as

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Speaker 2: an evidence of when some random person you've never heard

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Speaker 2: of says Joe Rogan endorses, maybe listen to the clip

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Speaker 2: for yourself, and if you don't use the word endorsement,

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01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 2: then it's probably not an endorsement. He was saying things

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Speaker 2: are a positive. Rogan responds, let's put this up here.

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Speaker 2: He says, for the record, this isn't an endorsement. This

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Speaker 2: is me saying I like RFK Junior as a person.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate the way he discusses things with civility

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Speaker 2: and intelligence.

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Speaker 3: I think we could use more of that in this world.

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Speaker 2: I also think Trump raising his fist and saying fight

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Speaker 2: after getting shot is one of the most American fucking

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Speaker 2: things of all time. I am not the guy to

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Speaker 2: get political information from. If you want that from a comic,

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Speaker 2: go to Dave Smith. He actually knows what he's talking about.

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Speaker 2: Now this, you know, kind of not necessarily walking away

1414
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: from the RFK endorsement or whatever was enough for then

1415
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Speaker 2: Trump to see it.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there.

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Speaker 2: Trump now says, it will be interesting to see how

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Speaker 2: loudly Joe Rogan gets booed the next time that he

1419
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Speaker 2: enters the UFC.

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Speaker 3: Ring MAGA twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: This is where, again Trump's pettiness is so ludicrous to

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01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: anybody who even tangentially follows the UFC. It's like, are

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Speaker 2: we to believe that Rogan, who quite literally is tied

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Speaker 2: to the sport of UFC in its image from its infancy,

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01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: and that the fans there who probably all listen to

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Speaker 2: his podcast, are going to boo Joe Rogan for saying

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Speaker 2: that he likes RFK Junior, or because Trump tells him to.

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01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 2: This is where Trump overestimates his own power. Just because

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01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: they cheer for you whenever you enter the octagon doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean that they're going to just do or whenever you

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Speaker 2: enter the stadium or whatever, does not mean that they're

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Speaker 2: going to like just follow your instructions to boo him

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Speaker 2: whenever he And it's just it's again, it's petty, and

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Speaker 2: it's one completely from a position of weakness, and I

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Speaker 2: just think it was such was so stupid for them

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Speaker 2: to be engaging in.

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Speaker 3: Because what happened this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Trump and Shane Gillis or sorry, Rogan and Shane Gillis

1439
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Speaker 2: are making fun of Trump at their latest I think

1440
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 2: the Kill Tony show. The clip just came out where

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Speaker 2: they're making fun of the situation and in Madison Square

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Speaker 2: Garden in front of millions of people, and everybody was

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Speaker 2: laughing at the idea.

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Speaker 3: That Trump was going to be attacking Rogan. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: very stupid idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I did a whole monologue. You recall

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Speaker 1: it not the way that the left would only fixate

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Speaker 1: on the things that Rogan would say that they really

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Speaker 1: disagreed with, and when he would say things they do

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Speaker 1: agree with, they would just completely ignore. And it's like,

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Speaker 1: you have this very popular figure who has a lot

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Speaker 1: of cloud. I mean, I understand why like a quote

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Speaker 1: unquote endorsement from him matters. You remember when he endorsed Bernie.

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Speaker 1: It was similar of him being like, oh, I'll proably

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Speaker 1: vote for this. I wasn't like I endorse Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 1: and the Sanders camp smartly took it and ran with it,

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01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: because this is a guy who has a lot of

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01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: sway and cloud with his audience. So why would you

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01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: want to, you know, blow this thing up massively and

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01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: make it appear like he's an adversary attack him aggressively

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01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: when you know he does buy and large now talk

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Speaker 1: about he criticizes the Democrats way more than the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: He does buy and large host a lot of conservative viewpoints.

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Speaker 1: He has been very good for a lot of elements

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Speaker 1: of the right and so for them to you know,

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Speaker 1: turn on a dime and have the freak out that

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Speaker 1: they did, it was very indicative of how insecure their feeling.

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Speaker 1: And then it was also interesting to me that he

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Speaker 1: felt enough pressure because he normally doesn't respond to any

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Speaker 1: of the controversies, he felt enough pressure to have to

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Speaker 1: come out and say, well, it was really an endorsement.

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Speaker 1: And here's something cool that Donald Trump did too, by

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Speaker 1: the way, So he clearly was feeling the heat from

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Speaker 1: an audience that has become increasingly right leaning over time.

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Speaker 1: But just to give you a sense, put B seven

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Speaker 1: up on the screen of the level of meltdown from

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Speaker 1: from some of this cats heard in particular.

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Speaker 4: But this was there were a lot who were saying

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Speaker 4: things like this. He says.

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Speaker 1: So, I've never been a Joe Rogan fan, can't stand him. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he has a popular podcast. I've always thought he was

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01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: absolutely politically dumb. He's great at figuring things out. Two

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01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: years after we do what a legend? So did it

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Speaker 1: surprise me? Hand he endorsed idiot RFK Junior today. Loll No,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the same fing idiot who endorsed Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: He's the podcast equivalent of a dumb blonde joke. And

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Speaker 1: this came after Catter. I don't know if we have

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Speaker 1: these tweets after cat Turd. Previously had been like guess

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Speaker 1: what to all of you lefty idiots out there, Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan can say whatever he wants on his podcast and

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Speaker 1: you can just go cry about it. Was basically of

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Speaker 1: the tweeting about it.

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Speaker 2: Joe Rogan can say anything wants on this podcast. There's

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Speaker 2: nothing you can do about it but cry. January thirty first,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a little bit of a change of tone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, First of all, how did cat turd become a

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Speaker 2: fig figure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's certain things the Catter has

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Speaker 2: done this, which I'm not going to mention here on

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Speaker 2: the air, but anyways.

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Speaker 3: Involves a dog.

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Speaker 2: That's all I'll say that people can go and look

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Speaker 2: into for themselves. My only point is like, how exactly

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Speaker 2: did figures like this become the so called like maga

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Speaker 2: cultural taste makers. It was by you know, sniveling at

1509
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: the boot of Donald Trump. That's all he's done this

1510
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: entire time. I remember, he would attack Jeff Sessions, he

1511
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: would attack anybody who would come out against Donald Trump.

1512
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: It's like a cultish figure, and I mean probably to

1513
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 2: expected from a cat toord like individual. But the fact

1514
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: that he has, the fact that he has such way,

1515
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: such sway, I mean, he was on the Tucker Carlson Show,

1516
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: for God's sake, does tell us about his position, you know,

1517
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: in the modern GOP.

1518
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 3: And so that is the problem.

1519
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: And clearly, you know, attacking people like Rogan just shows

1520
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: Trump both on the back foot insecure for god knows

1521
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: what for no reason and then just making up this

1522
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 2: bs which does tell us again that the more that

1523
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: the pettiness is about him and the less connected it

1524
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: is to policy, the worst that Trump is going to perform.

1525
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 3: As we all learned in twenty twenty two.

1526
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, yes, okay, So there has been some

1527
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: just incredible interviews that Nancy Pelosi has been giving, just

1528
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: sort of casually savaging Joe Biden and his political team.

1529
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: In particular, she just put on a book, I think

1530
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: the Art of Power is what it's called that what

1531
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: it's called something.

1532
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,520
Speaker 2: Like that, The Art of Power available at Costco, which recently.

1533
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 4: We put in a request for her to come on.

1534
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 3: By the way, we would love it.

1535
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see it really happening, but it would

1536
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: be interesting anyway. So she's been doing a lot of

1537
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: interviews in the context of this book that's coming out,

1538
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: and she has just been sort of, you know, spilling

1539
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: the tea on what went behind went on behind the

1540
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: scenes during the pressure campaign. Let's take a look at

1541
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: this first one and what she reveals.

1542
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 11: I didn't accept a letter as anything but a letter,

1543
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 11: I mean, I mean, And another there are some people

1544
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 11: who were unhappy with the letter. Let me say some

1545
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 11: said that. Some people were un feel like I'll put

1546
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 11: in some of the else is now because it was

1547
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 11: a I don't even know. It didn't sound like Joe

1548
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 11: Biden to me. It really didn't.

1549
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:13,839
Speaker 8: So, but please tell us what you told President Biden

1550
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 8: to persuade him to step aside.

1551
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 11: Well, I've never come I've never shared any conversations with

1552
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 11: a president of the United States publicly.

1553
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 8: No, it's said that he's furious at you, is he?

1554
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 11: Well, he knows that I love him very much.

1555
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 8: I understand that you don't want to own this, but

1556
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 8: it is so well reported that you were the leader

1557
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 8: of a pressure campaign.

1558
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 11: No, I wasn't a leader of any pressure's party. Well,

1559
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 11: let me say things that I didn't do. I didn't

1560
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 11: call one person. I did not call one person. I

1561
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 11: love him so much. I think he's been really a

1562
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 11: fantastic president of the United States. So I really wanted

1563
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 11: him to make a decision of a better campaign because

1564
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 11: they were not facing the fact of what was happening.

1565
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 11: Just so back then, I've never been that impressed with

1566
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:08,480
Speaker 11: his political.

1567
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 5: Operation, Biden's operation.

1568
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not. I mean, it just happened. They won

1569
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 11: the White House, bravo. But so my concern was, this

1570
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 11: ain't happening, and we have to make a decision for

1571
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 11: us this to happen, and the president has to make

1572
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 11: the decision for that to happen. Let me just say,

1573
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 11: I won't say necessarily I knew what I was doing

1574
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 11: at that time. I knew what I was doing in

1575
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 11: the whole thing, not just that. What was and what

1576
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 11: was that that Donald Trump would never set foot in

1577
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 11: the White House again.

1578
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: So a lot that's interesting there. First of all, she

1579
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: talks about the letter, remember the letter that Biden put

1580
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: out and his team, saying like, I am in the

1581
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: race period of an end of story in this conversation

1582
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: needs to stop. And then she goes on Morning Jo

1583
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: and says, well, waiting for him to decide, and they're like, no, no,

1584
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: he said he Well, we're waiting for him to decide.

1585
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: So she says, I just saw it as a letter,

1586
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: and that didn't really sound like him to me. Then

1587
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 1: she has this very mob boss like type language plausible

1588
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: deniability when she's getting pressed on okay, what did you do?

1589
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 4: What did you say to him?

1590
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: And she says, well, I can always say I didn't

1591
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: call one person. I was not the leader of a

1592
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: pressure party. I did not call even one person. And

1593
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: then in the second interview with The New Yorker, she

1594
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: has to tell you the year I've never been that

1595
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: impressed with his political campaign. He won the White House, Bravo,

1596
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: but he wasn't effectively. He wasn't grappling with reality that

1597
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: he was losing. He was not presenting any sort of

1598
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: a plan or ability to turn it around, and was

1599
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: in complete denial. Remember the reports from the time that

1600
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: she was like, get Donalin on the phone because he's

1601
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: not giving the straight truth about what these numbers are.

1602
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: He was in denial, just like Trump is now about

1603
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: where his poll numbers actually were and what was required.

1604
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 4: To turn it around. So very very interesting comments.

1605
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: For so yeah, it's absolutely fascinating and it does just

1606
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 2: tell us about what that pressure campaign look like. We also,

1607
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: by the way, Biden has now done more interviews than

1608
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris since he has dropped out of the race.

1609
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: He sat down with a CBS news and he talked

1610
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 2: about his decision to drop out.

1611
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

1612
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 12: Let's begin with your decision at your home Rohoboth Beach, Delaware,

1613
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 12: late July, with your family, and you make this historic decision.

1614
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 12: Tell me the story.

1615
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 7: Look, fools, we had showed that it was neck and

1616
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 7: neck race would have been down on the wire. But

1617
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 7: what happened was a number of my Democratic colleagues and

1618
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 7: the House and Senates thought that I was going to

1619
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 7: hurt them in the races. And I was concerned if

1620
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 7: I stayed in the race, that would be the topic

1621
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 7: you be interviewing about. Why did Nancy Pelosi say? Why

1622
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 7: did some it? And and I thought it'd be a

1623
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 7: real distraction Number one. Number two. When I ran the

1624
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 7: first time, I thought of myself as being a transition president.

1625
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 7: I can't even say how old I am. It's hard

1626
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 7: for me to get out of my mouth. But things

1627
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 7: got moving so quickly it didn't happen. And the combination

1628
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 7: was that I thought was a critical issue for me.

1629
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 7: Still is not a joke, maintaining this democracy. But I

1630
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 7: thought it was important because although I it's a great

1631
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 7: honor being president, I think I'm an obligation to the

1632
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 7: country to do what I the most important thing to

1633
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 7: can do, and that is we must, we must, we

1634
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:42,799
Speaker 7: must defeat Trump.

1635
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 3: So what do we see from that? Now?

1636
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 2: He claims he was a transition president, even though he

1637
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 2: denied being that transition president a mere month ago. Whenever

1638
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 2: he was still trying to remain in the race. Now

1639
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 2: it's all about, Oh, it would have been a distraction. Well,

1640
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: it was a distraction whenever you used to clinging to power.

1641
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 2: What ultimately forced him out was not I think it

1642
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: was obviously Pelosi. It was the donors, and it was

1643
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 2: everybody's just saying, not only have no path to victory,

1644
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 2: you will have no money to pursue it. So he

1645
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 2: held on to his very last gap, and let's not

1646
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 2: forget he still continues to cling to the American presidency.

1647
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 2: We have two segments we're about to get to where

1648
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: the US is green lighting a literal invasion of Russia

1649
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,799
Speaker 2: and where Iran is poised to begin a possible regional

1650
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 2: and maybe even global war with US military assets that

1651
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 2: are streaming there. He has his finger on the button

1652
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 2: and the nuclear codes. It remains an enduring and terrifying position.

1653
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1654
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. And I think reading

1655
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: into what he said there a little bit, you know,

1656
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: he says, oh, well, the media wasn't going to stop,

1657
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: and you would be asking me right now, what is Nancy?

1658
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: What about what Nancy Pelosi said? And other leaders, she

1659
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: and others really credibly threatened that if he didn't remember

1660
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: the quote, you could do this the easy way or the.

1661
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 4: Hard way right.

1662
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: She very credibly threatened that basically like we're not going away,

1663
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: We're not letting a drop. Every day until you go

1664
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: is going to be you haven't deal with. Pelosi came

1665
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: out against you, Schumer came out against you. Hakeem Jeffreys

1666
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: came out against you. Barack Obama came out against you,

1667
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: like ratcheting up the pressure up up until he was

1668
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 1: going to go. So you know, he came to the

1669
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 1: conclusion at long last that this was not a sustainable

1670
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: position for him. And you know Pelosi's comments though about

1671
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: his being unimpressed with his political team, which by the way,

1672
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: I think is incredibly fair, given they had way too

1673
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: much self confidence and arrogance about their political prowess. When

1674
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty primary he didn't win, he had that

1675
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: handed to him. And then in twenty twenty in the

1676
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: general election, you're running against Trump who was doing all

1677
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: kinds of wild stuff and shooting himself in the foot

1678
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 1: every single day, and you barely eke down a victory

1679
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: even in what should have been really favorable circumstances. So

1680
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: I think Pelosi is actually right about that, but it

1681
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 1: clearly alloy those who were on Biden's political team. We

1682
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: had a long interview with Anita Dunn, who was one

1683
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 1: of those individuals in Politico, and she made a little

1684
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: like passive aggressive undercutting comment of Nancy Pelosi. She said,

1685
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: we can put this up on the screen.

1686
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 4: This is C three.

1687
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: She said, the task in front of us, this is

1688
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: Anita Dunn, is to win the selection, not let Donald

1689
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: Trump become president again, and to win the House of Representatives,

1690
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: which had certain leaders in twenty twenty two done a

1691
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: slightly better job. Maybe we would control today, but we

1692
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: don't clearly a shot.

1693
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 4: At Nancy Pelosi there.

1694
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: So that's how that's how people in DC returned fires

1695
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: through like bitch passive aggression.

1696
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: I was going to say, there's no other way to

1697
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 2: describe this entire interview as just literally bitchy. She's like, well,

1698
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 2: certain leaders and people, you know, denied us the ability

1699
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: to get back, and that just really kneecapped.

1700
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 3: And I mean, this woman too is a liar.

1701
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 2: She up until the day before Biden dropped out, was

1702
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 2: saying that they still had a pass to victory.

1703
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 3: Everything was fine. Loo I mean that yeah.

1704
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: In here, she says that if you look at the

1705
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: polls and what was it the poll dials, She says, oh, in.

1706
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,799
Speaker 1: The debate, Actually, people liked the second happening.

1707
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 3: No they didn't, No, they didn't. He was actually worse.

1708
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: It was just weird, you know, considering how terrible it

1709
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 2: was in the beginning. His very first answer was a

1710
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 2: national humiliation, and it was just a downswing from there.

1711
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 3: You don't need a dial to tell you that.

1712
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: And if you do have a dial that tells you otherwise,

1713
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: you should fire your dial provider.

1714
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1715
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: No, she was part of the team that was bloy

1716
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: smoke up his ass and everyone else's and lying and

1717
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: denying the reality of his current state. Lying, I think

1718
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: to him, but he needs a grown man. He knows

1719
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: how to read a pole. But giving him only the

1720
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: data that painted the rosiest picture. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: that's when Pelosi comes in, is like, all right, well,

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01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: let me talk to Donalin, who is a top Biden

1723
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: aid as well about what's going on. That's when the

1724
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: rubber hit the road of we're going to break open

1725
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: this bubble that you're living in, this alternate reality in

1726
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: which you're doing well and in which you're winning. So

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01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, I did see a report. This will be

1728
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on that. On the one hand,

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01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is not good historically a building a political team.

1730
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: So the fact that she could just you know, turn

1731
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: on the lights and the Biden campaigns, switch over the

1732
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: signs and roll out and be good to go is overall,

1733
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: I think, a tremendous advantage for her. However, there is

1734
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: an awkwardness between the people like Anita Dunn who's now

1735
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: on the Harris team, who were Biden people up until

1736
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: the very bitter end, and now the new people who

1737
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: have been brought in, like a David Pluff who also

1738
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: has a very senior role and who is you know,

1739
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 1: part of Obama World. No Obama World team is very

1740
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: adversarial to the Biden world. So there is apparently some

1741
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: internal campaign tension that they're working through right now. And

1742
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: all of these campaigns are turf wars. You know, people

1743
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: are very jealous and protective over what is their sphere

1744
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: of influence and what is their level of power, and

1745
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: that's the way all of DC operates. So you can

1746
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: only imagine when you had this campaign structure set up

1747
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: for President Biden with certain advisors who have been close

1748
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: to him for a million years and who thought that

1749
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: they were locked in in their spot of power, and

1750
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: then oh suddenly you got David Pluff breathing down your

1751
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: neck and telling you what to do, and others like

1752
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: him as well. You can imagine how that would breed

1753
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: some tension and resentment. As of yet, it doesn't manifest

1754
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: in terms of the performance. I think anyone would have

1755
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: to say, just judging by the numbers and the you know,

1756
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: the look of the campaign and what they've been able

1757
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: to pull together, et cetera, that just from a pure

1758
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: political perspective, they've done a very effective job. But you know,

1759
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,759
Speaker 1: that's something that is sort of brewing under the surface

1760
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: that could come out later as a source of problems.

1761
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 3: I totally agree with that.

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01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 2: And look, I think that the book right now, everyone's

1763
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 2: disciplined and they're keeping it, you know, enthusiasm, all that.

1764
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty five book on how this all came

1765
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: to be. I cannot wait. Mark Halpritn he'll make his

1766
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 2: grand return. He is the one he read, so he

1767
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 2: got the scoop. Remember he was the one who had

1768
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 2: the exact timeline for how it was all going to go.

1769
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 2: Is you right about that?

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01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 3: He was totally correct? About the timeline dropout. Yeah, and

1771
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 3: all of that, and.

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01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: Pelosi says she's going to write a book about it,

1773
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, that'll'll be interesting.

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Speaker 3: I'll have to bio.

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01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 2: I look, I am a sucker for those inside stories

1776
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 2: for how it all came about, and I do think

1777
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 2: it was particularly insane. And if anything, no Biden book

1778
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 2: has sold well. The only one that will sell is

1779
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: about how we finally got him to go away forever.

1780
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 2: Let's turn to these two very troubling foreign policy situations.

1781
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 2: So we have a crazy situation right now in Ukraine

1782
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 2: media that barely even wants to report it. The United

1783
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 2: States is currently backing a full blown invasion of Russia.

1784
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and put this up there.

1785
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 2: On the screen. This is from the Institute for the

1786
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: Study of War. Of course, you want to color in

1787
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 2: and keep in mind their own bias, but this is

1788
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: basically the best data that we have. Russian forces have

1789
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 2: been pushed back some thirty square mile kilometers or so

1790
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: inside of their own territory out and again this is

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01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,959
Speaker 2: internationally recognized Russian territory, not territory that they have previously

1792
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 2: claimed in the Curse region of Russia. According to Russian officials.

1793
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 2: Some one hundred thousand Russian citizens have had to flee

1794
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 2: the area. They are approximately one million who are there.

1795
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 2: There are several towns that have been taken over by

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01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 2: the Ukrainians in a so called shock offensive. Now, the

1797
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: reason why it's a shock is that, according to the

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01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 2: Ukrainians and to the US narrative, this is supposed to

1799
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 2: be a war of defense from invasion. So to counter

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01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 2: their invasion Crystal, they have decided to invade territory which

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01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 2: they deemed Russian. Now, philosophically, I don't really have a

1802
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 2: problem with this. Of course, whenever you're in a war,

1803
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 2: you should be doing whatever you need to. The issue

1804
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,759
Speaker 2: is not what the Ukrainians are doing. It's the fact

1805
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,520
Speaker 2: that US NATO weaponry is being employed to literally invade Russia.

1806
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: And when we flip it around and we consider what

1807
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: it would look like here, this is not disputed territory.

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01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 2: This is internationally recognized an invasion.

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01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 3: And that is.

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Speaker 2: Literally the justification for every dollar of the hundreds of

1811
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 2: billions that we have shipped to Ukraine is to defend

1812
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 2: against this invasion. And then just consider, can any great

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01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 2: power nation sit there and tolerate and invasion of its

1814
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: own territory. If Mexico invaded even up until the city

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01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 2: of Laredo or El Paso, would we tolerate that.

1816
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 3: No, we would bomb them back.

1817
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: To the Stone Age as the as the you know,

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01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 2: the sayings go. Now, let's be fair too. This has

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01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 2: also demonstrated the tremendous problems with the Russian military that

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01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 2: they haven't been able to immediately push us back. Put

1821
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: this up there, for example on the screen The Financial

1822
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 2: Times reports Russian reinforcements have failed to push back the

1823
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:34,520
Speaker 2: Ukrainian incursion.

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01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 3: The sixth day.

1825
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 2: President Zelensky has openly acknowledged taking the war to Russian territory.

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01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 2: And there is no doubt crystal that this is one

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01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: hundred percent with the backing of the United States of America.

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01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 2: And given Joe Biden's decline that we just talked about

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01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 2: at length, is he even in charge here? And as

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01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 2: Americans can we sit here and risk a literal invasion

1831
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 2: of Russia at the same time that we have billions

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01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 2: of dollars in military assets steaming towards the Middle East,

1833
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 2: and with the Israelis openly saying Iran is going to

1834
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 2: attack us and the United States is going to have

1835
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 2: to once again spend billions to defend Israel from that attack.

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01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 2: How can we really tolerate the risk of these two

1837
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 2: and the fact that they probably contribute. The Iranians say, hey,

1838
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 2: we got a lot of military assets tied up over there,

1839
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: and the Russians is saying got a lot of military's

1840
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 2: assets tied up over there.

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01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 4: That's very true.

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01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1843
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, you know, the media has basically lost interest

1844
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: in this story.

1845
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 3: There's rial coverage of it.

1846
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 1: You know, Jadie Vance and all of his many interviews

1847
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 1: he did yesterday, there was not i think one question.

1848
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 2: About He brought it up once in a print interview,

1849
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 2: but yes, to any of the media people, they didn't

1850
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 2: bring it up.

1851
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 4: They didn't bring it up, like what could be more important?

1852
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: We're backing the invasion of a nuclear armed superpower, and hey,

1853
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: how's this going to end?

1854
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 4: Where is this leading? What's your plan?

1855
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: You know, if you were in the White House, what

1856
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: would your side of the equation be?

1857
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 4: And there's zero interest in it.

1858
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 1: You know, people have lost interest in this story because

1859
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: it is a lot messier than it was in the

1860
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: early days when it was just like go Ukraine and

1861
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 1: Ukraine had Russia on the back foot. Now you're in

1862
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: this long, grinding war of attrition.

1863
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 4: And make no.

1864
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,879
Speaker 1: Doubt about it, the fact that the Biden administration finally

1865
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 1: caved and sent those F sixteen fighter jets, that is

1866
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: a big part of the reason why they were able

1867
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: to make these games. You'll recall early on in this war,

1868
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: Biden was very resistant. He was very careful about what

1869
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: he sent. There was a lot of concern about potential escalation.

1870
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 1: There was, I mean, the idea in the beginning that

1871
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,879
Speaker 1: you would send F sixteen fighter jets to enable Ukrainian

1872
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: invasion of Russia would have been considered insane. And yet

1873
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 1: here we are and no one's even talking about it,

1874
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: which is even more insane.

1875
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: Quite frant we have that. So let's go and put

1876
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: please D four up on the screen. In terms of

1877
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 2: the F sixteens, they began to arrive. Now, actually, even

1878
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 2: more troubling is not only the F sixteens and the

1879
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 2: way that they've gotten their hands on that. It's that

1880
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 2: all of the precision guided munitions are very, very difficult

1881
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 2: to manufacture here in the US. We have very limited

1882
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 2: stocks of them. And of course, what has the Biden

1883
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 2: administration done. They've decided to green light shipping those precision

1884
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 2: guided munitions for the F sixteen back to Ukraine. And

1885
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 2: so they're going to be using hot like precision guided

1886
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 2: weaponry from US stockpiles, which are difficult to manufacture when

1887
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 2: we're in the middle of two global conflagrations, which possibly

1888
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 2: and very you know, I wouldn't say likely, but possibly

1889
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 2: that the US forces could get themselves into. We also

1890
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 2: literally have Zelensky openly acknowledging this D three please where

1891
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 2: for days, And usually when the Ukrainians pull some terrorist

1892
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: attack or whatever in Russia, they're like, oh, what a tragedy.

1893
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy that somebody would do that. They're

1894
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 2: just openly saying it. In his video address that was

1895
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 2: late on Saturday, he said Ukrainian military is pushing the

1896
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 2: war onto the aggressor territory. Now again, I want to say, philosophically,

1897
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 2: I don't care about this. It is normal actually to

1898
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 2: try and hit your enemy wherever they are and to

1899
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 2: throw them off balance. But when it's America's role and

1900
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 2: we're the ones who are funding all of this, and

1901
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 2: we are the ones who experience any potential blowback, then

1902
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 2: that's a real issue. We also you know, shockingly enough, Yes,

1903
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 2: it's true, the Ukrainians can pull this off. And then

1904
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 2: this morning in the Wall Street Journal they talk about

1905
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 2: how the Ukrainian commander is begging for more troops.

1906
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 3: They have no idea what to do.

1907
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 2: They've had six days worth of success and now they're like,

1908
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 2: do we owd this territory?

1909
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 3: What do we do with this territory? Now?

1910
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:37,839
Speaker 2: We have to pull stuff away from previous defensive fronts

1911
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 2: over here. Their own military leadership has no idea what

1912
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 2: to do with these gains. So, yeah, it's been a

1913
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 2: good pr stunt.

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01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 3: Can you hold it? You know?

1915
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 2: Are are you now going to annex it into Ukraine?

1916
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 2: Are you going to I mean imagine the hypocrisy and

1917
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 2: the sheer insanity of bargaining, you know, and claiming that

1918
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 2: your territory needs to be given back to you, but

1919
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 2: then occupying internationally recognized hair toy swapping it. Now, that's

1920
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 2: a very different moral narrative, isn't it then saying well,

1921
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,759
Speaker 2: we're just fighting back against the people who have invaded

1922
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 2: our country. Yeah, And that's the problem, you know, is

1923
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 2: that the longer this drags on, there's the moral ambiguity increases.

1924
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:17,520
Speaker 2: The so called justness of their cause decreases their overall

1925
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:21,719
Speaker 2: ability to even stand this without literally tens of billions

1926
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 2: of dollars a month having to flow there in Western Aid.

1927
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 2: It shows us that this cannot go on forever, and

1928
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 2: we all know how it's going to end, and so

1929
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 2: they refuse to end it. Currently we refused, frankly, to

1930
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 2: responsibly end it, and we bear the ultimate risk for

1931
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 2: anything going on.

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Speaker 1: And that's the real question. I mean, this has been

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01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, for for Ukraine. That's been a real show

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01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: of force. It has exposed, as you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: world weaknesses on the Russian side that they haven't been

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Speaker 1: able to repel these forces on their own territory. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainians are trying to demonstrate that the entry of

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Speaker 1: the F sixteen's into this conflict is a real game

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Speaker 1: changer for them. They also just called up a bunch

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Speaker 1: more men and are trying to constitute new battalions that

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Speaker 1: they also want to use to try to bolster the

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Speaker 1: manpower issues that remain a big problem for them. That

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Speaker 1: ammunition issues remain a big problem for them. They're still

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Speaker 1: taking on a lot of water in eastern Ukraine. The

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Speaker 1: most hopeful thing you could say about this, No one

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Speaker 1: really understands or.

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Speaker 4: Knows what their strategy is except for them.

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Speaker 1: Maybe even the US doesn't know, because they seem to

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Speaker 1: keep things, a lot of things from us. The most

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Speaker 1: hopeful thing you could say is, well, maybe they're trying

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Speaker 1: to strengthen their hand for potential talks.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's what the play is here.

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Speaker 1: And if so, okay, but let's have some indication from

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Speaker 1: our leaders what we think where we think this should lead,

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Speaker 1: where we think this is going. Since we are so

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Speaker 1: deeply intertwined with the Ukrainian cause and with this offensive,

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Speaker 1: and you know, if this is to strengthen the hand

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Speaker 1: for potential talks, we need to start laying the groundwork

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Speaker 1: also for what a you know, not maybe a just

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Speaker 1: resolution of this outcome, but a reasonable resolution to this

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Speaker 1: outcome that everyone could be angry about but ultimately live

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Speaker 1: with might look like.

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Speaker 4: Because when you just.

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Speaker 1: Have the continuing narrative from Zelensky and from us that

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Speaker 1: there's not going to be any territory lost and it's

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Speaker 1: all or nothing and we're in it forever, then it's

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Speaker 1: very difficult to turn around and come to the table

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Speaker 1: and have talks and try to come to some sort

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Speaker 1: of a Resolutional.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, very true. All right, let's get to Iran.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a lot going on here. Obviously, you'll

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Speaker 1: recall we still have we're still awaiting whatever the Iranian

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Speaker 1: response is going to be to that Israeli provocation assassination

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Speaker 1: on Iranian soil the day before the new president was inaugurated. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: let's put this up on the screen. This is Barack Revide,

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Speaker 1: who's close both with the DC establishment and with the

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Speaker 1: Israeli establishment. He says, the updated assessment of the Israeli

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Speaker 1: intelligence community is that Iran has decided to attack Israel

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Speaker 1: directly in retaliation for the assassination of from US political

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Speaker 1: leader Ismael Hania, and may do within days, even before the.

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Speaker 4: August fifteenth hostage deal talks.

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Speaker 1: Per two sources, we also have some indication from the

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Speaker 1: Iranian side that maybe potentially or in the other direction,

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Speaker 1: Israel is really bracing for a massive offensive year, and

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Speaker 1: the US, judging by the military assets that we are

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Speaker 1: rushing into the region, are also bracing for a massive

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Speaker 1: retaliation from Iran. Here's what Iran had to say about it,

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Speaker 1: in part, it can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: They said on Saturday. They want to avoid negatively impacting

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Speaker 1: Gaza ceasefire talks. This is e two guys with its

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Speaker 1: anticipated retaliation. Achieving a permanent ceasefire and Gaza remains a priority,

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Speaker 1: Aroun's permanent mission to the UN said in a statement.

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Speaker 1: It also said any agreement accepted by Hamas would be

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Speaker 1: acceptable to Iran as well. The statement condemned Hania's assassination

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Speaker 1: Tehran as a quote violation of Iranian national security and sovereignty.

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Speaker 1: Iran emphasized its right to self defense with stressed it

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Speaker 1: hopes its response would not impede the ongoing ceasefire efforts. Now,

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Speaker 1: as far as those ceasefire efforts go, Sagur don't appear

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Speaker 1: to be going that well, because I mean, who has

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Speaker 1: It's long been clear him and his government don't have.

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Speaker 3: An interest I want it.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to cease fire. They've played all these

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Speaker 1: games of pretending like they're interested, but then throwing up

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Speaker 1: some obstacle at the last minute. And you have new

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Speaker 1: reports that maybe the Biden ministration can be a little

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Speaker 1: bit tougher on them, but no indication that we're going

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Speaker 1: to actually do the things we need to do, which

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Speaker 1: is to say, listen, you're on your own. We're cutting

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Speaker 1: off weaponshipments, et cetera. I could put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. Diplomatic sources told Haretz that it has been

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Speaker 1: clarified to Netnyaho that the Biden administration is reaching the

2012
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Speaker 1: point where his behavior would result in the White House

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Speaker 1: publicly accusing him of preventing the release of the hostages.

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Speaker 1: Up till now, the White House has only blamed Tamas

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Speaker 1: for any problems in the ceasefire talks. Now allegedly they're saying, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll blame you and tomasus.

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Speaker 3: Twelfth who cares at this point?

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing is, like, you know, we've how

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Speaker 1: many of these Oh they're upset behind the scenes, and

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Speaker 1: they're being tougher and he's really going to be tough

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Speaker 1: this time before.

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Speaker 4: People realize that this is also all a joke.

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Speaker 1: This is all nonsense posturing and BBNATANYAHUO obviously does not

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Speaker 1: care what Joe Biden thinks or says of him without

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Speaker 1: actually applying any real pressure using the mechanisms of power

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Speaker 1: that we have. So I mean, this is all ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And then the last piece I'll put up here on

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Speaker 1: get your fulsome response, sager Is Hamas has basically said, listen,

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Speaker 1: we're done playing games here, like we see the game

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Speaker 1: that you're playing here, of pretending to do serious negotiations

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Speaker 1: and just using this to throw up new obstacles and

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Speaker 1: walk away from any potential deer deal. So, in part

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Speaker 1: what they said is in light of this amount of

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Speaker 1: concern and responsibility towards our people and their interests, the

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Speaker 1: movement calls them, the Mediators, to submit a plan to

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Speaker 1: implement what they presented to the movement and approved on

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Speaker 1: July second, based on Biden's vision the Security Council resolution,

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Speaker 1: to oblige the occupation to do so instead of going

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Speaker 1: to more rounds of negotiations or new proposals that provide

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Speaker 1: cover for the occupations aggression and give it more time

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Speaker 1: to perpetuate the war of genocide against our people. And

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Speaker 1: remember the guy that Israel assassinated, Ismaeil Haniah was the

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Speaker 1: political leader of Hamas, and in the context of Hamas,

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Speaker 1: was more of a deal break maker, more of a moderate.

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Speaker 1: Now you have Yaya Sinowar, who was the architect of

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Speaker 1: the October seventh attacks, who is the lead voice and

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Speaker 1: the lead negotiator here and he is much more hardline, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Sirs bb Night, now who too because

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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to.

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Speaker 3: See spied deal. I was going to bring that up.

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Speaker 2: I also, I mean, what I am just so terrified

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Speaker 2: right now is that Lloyd Austin and the Israeli spoke yesterday.

2053
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Speaker 2: The USS Abraham Lincoln is accelerating right now to go

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Speaker 2: to the Middle East as fast as possible. Two US

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01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 2: missile our guy that believe guided missile destroyers are headed

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Speaker 2: to the eastern Mediterranean. Hes Bulah yesterday penetrated iron Dome.

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Speaker 2: There's so many things happening, it's almost too much to

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Speaker 2: put in the show. But are we all going to

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Speaker 2: ignore northerre in Israel, the so called incredible Iron Dome.

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Speaker 2: Almost every rocket penetrated the Iron Doman was able to

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Speaker 2: hit its target. A preview of what a real general

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Speaker 2: war with Hesbula would look like. Iran, according to the Israelis,

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Speaker 2: says that they are preparing a quote large scale attack. Now,

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Speaker 2: as we all know, the Israeli military on its own

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Speaker 2: is completely incapable of repelling this. It will take again Jordan,

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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, the United States, and the UK and France

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Speaker 2: all to have to step in and to shoot down

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Speaker 2: all these missiles on Israel's behalf. And look, at a

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Speaker 2: certain point, I don't even necessarily have a problem with that,

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Speaker 2: as long as we're also trying to constrain Israeli action

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Speaker 2: on the other side that would lead to it.

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Speaker 4: That keeps drawing.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem very intentionally.

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Speaker 2: If we are lessening tension and lessening the likelihood of

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Speaker 2: regional war on both sides, I have no problem. Cool,

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Speaker 2: you know, let's shoot it down here and then tell

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Speaker 2: Israeli Is like, hey, guys, you know you got.

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Speaker 3: To cut this out.

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Speaker 2: But to have it second time now in the span

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Speaker 2: of justice several months, we know where the action is

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Speaker 2: coming from. And I continue to say this, if Israelis

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Speaker 2: did not have total confidence, we would shoot dow the

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Speaker 2: stuff for them. They would never dream in a million

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Speaker 2: years of blowing somebody up in the middle of Tehran

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Speaker 2: like this and basically openly cheering about it. Because if Hesbola,

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Speaker 2: a paramilitary organization can penetrate Iron Dome, what could Iran

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Speaker 2: do to them? You know, this is where the concept

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Speaker 2: of strategic balance is so important, and why when you

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Speaker 2: put your hand so far on one side and then

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Speaker 2: you basically take it off on the other That's what

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Speaker 2: actually increases the likelihood of escalation.

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Speaker 4: Well, and here's the thing too.

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Speaker 1: Last time, it appears Iran basically coordinated their retaliation I

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Speaker 1: mean with us.

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Speaker 4: They wanted it to look big, but be capable.

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Speaker 1: For us to be able to deal with it in

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Speaker 1: the Israelis and Jordan at all, and for it to

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Speaker 1: not really inflict much, if any damage on Israel. Is

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Speaker 1: that the case this time? I mean, the Israelis may

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Speaker 1: be overestimating our capabilities to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it takes one.

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Speaker 1: Massive issue, that's exactly right, massive issue that they have

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Speaker 1: created for themselves. And know, while this is all going on,

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Speaker 1: we can have a lose sight of what is happening

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Speaker 1: on the ground in Gaza, where the horror absolutely continues.

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Speaker 4: Now it's worth.

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Speaker 1: Remembering both with this assassination in Tehran and also the

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Speaker 1: assassination in Beirut in Lebanon, Israelis were able to be

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Speaker 1: really very precise, very very precise. Yet we now have

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Speaker 1: another horror unfolding. We could just run this as vo guys,

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Speaker 1: so I can talk over it. We have a school

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Speaker 1: that was hit by the Israelis using massive munich huge

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Speaker 1: bombs that just killed around one hundred people. According to

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Speaker 1: reports on the ground, this was a school in Gaza

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Speaker 1: City where displaced Palestinians were sheltering. And it's just an

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Speaker 1: absolute horror. Now these Raelis area, we can put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. Israelis are claiming, oh, of course,

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Speaker 1: what else this was Hamas was sheltering here. This was

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Speaker 1: Palestinian Islamic jihad that was sheltering here. They put on

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Speaker 1: a list of nineteen supposed militants that were among the dead. However,

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Speaker 1: this is from a human rights organization. They went and

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Speaker 1: they looked, okay, well, who are these people actually? So far,

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Speaker 1: of these supposed eliminated terrorists in this school massacre, three

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Speaker 1: had already been killed before, so it can't kill them

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Speaker 1: twice three Another three were elderly civilians no military ties,

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Speaker 1: one a school principal, deputy mayor, and a university professor.

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Speaker 1: Six are absolute civilians. Some were even opposed to Hamas.

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Speaker 1: And they're continuing to verify the remaining names. But let

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Speaker 1: me be clear, even if even if this wasn't a

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Speaker 1: why and they actually did kill nineteen militants in this strike,

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Speaker 1: you cannot just bomb a school where Palestine civilians, women, children,

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Speaker 1: who were the majority of the dead are sheltering. That

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Speaker 1: is not acceptable. That is a war crime, even if

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Speaker 1: Hamas is quote unquote using them as human shields.

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Speaker 4: So this is what continues.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the map soger Of, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Gaza has just been decimated like that was clearly the

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Speaker 1: goal to make it so there was complete anihilation, nothing

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Speaker 1: to go back to, and they may have not destroyed

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Speaker 1: him us, but that goal they have surely accomplished.

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Speaker 3: Well internationally too.

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Speaker 2: It's just one of those where again when the Biden

2143
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Speaker 2: people are like, oh, we are going to call you out,

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Speaker 2: It's like, so what who cares at this point? You know,

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01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,759
Speaker 2: in terms of exactly it's like who in America actually

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01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 2: would even care if they start blaming them now? You

2147
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 2: had leverage many many months ago, you decided not to

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Speaker 2: use it now. And then the other very smart thing

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Speaker 2: that BB is done from his own political calculus is

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Speaker 2: it just keeps rationing things up a little bit. You know,

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Speaker 2: everything is a step forward, step for what can I

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Speaker 2: get away with here? What can I get away with here?

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Speaker 2: We got he got us to spend a billion bucks

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Speaker 2: in a single night to shoot down missiles before we run.

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Speaker 3: Now he's going to get us to do it again.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope it works, that it doesn't go even further,

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Speaker 2: But what's going to happen next time? And then the

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Speaker 2: more that you focus away from Gaza, the more that

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Speaker 2: you change the conversation here, then it becomes about Israel's existentialism,

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Speaker 2: about whether they're going to get drawn into a regional war.

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Speaker 2: And the next thing, you know, US troops are the

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Speaker 2: ones who are involved and who are paying the price.

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Speaker 2: And that was the plan literally all along. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: you know, we have enabled a lot of this, and

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Speaker 2: we are marching dangerous and dangerously close to even more embroiling.

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Speaker 2: And you know, to talk about Joe Biden, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is forget age. This is the actual legacy is

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Speaker 2: look at how on the brink the world is right

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Speaker 2: now and how dangerous things are for America. If we

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Speaker 2: had had any sort of realism at all, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we wouldn't be in this situation. And you know, the

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Speaker 2: entire foreign policy elite cheers it on. It's I think

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Speaker 2: we're in a very dangerous situation. I mean I've been

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Speaker 2: saying that for ten months and that's what people make

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Speaker 2: fun of. But you know, you only have to be

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Speaker 2: right once to actually acknowledge some of this happening. And

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Speaker 2: even if it doesn't lead to a war, was it

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Speaker 2: worth the hundreds of billions that we have spent on this,

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Speaker 2: not to mention the human toll that has happened as well,

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Speaker 2: And that's just now and Ukraine. Put those two things together,

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Speaker 2: it's disaster.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely sick.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead and get to Ken Clippenstein's

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Speaker 1: standing by to talk about this hacking of the Trump campaign.

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Speaker 1: So apparently, as I mentioned before, the Trump campaign has

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Speaker 1: been hacked. A number of news outlets received a dossier

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Speaker 1: of sorts on JD. Vans that was apparently internal of

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Speaker 1: the campaign when they were vetting him, looking at what

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Speaker 1: his strengths and weaknesses were. There's some question there. The

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Speaker 1: campaign is asserting that this was a run. Ken Clippenstein,

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Speaker 1: independent journalist and author of the Ken Clippenstein's Substack that

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Speaker 1: you guys should all subscribe to, is here to take

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Speaker 1: a look at all of these claims and counterclaims.

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Speaker 3: Great to see you, Ken, Good to see you, dude.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, good to be back.

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Speaker 1: All right, So breakdown for what exactly do we know

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Speaker 1: about what happened here?

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Speaker 13: Really, all we know is what Microsoft has alleged, and

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Speaker 13: of course they have their own internal information. And in

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Speaker 13: the report posted to their website on Friday, they described

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Speaker 13: a hacking attempt into a presidential campaign, but they didn't

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Speaker 13: say which one. And so the author of that post,

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01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,879
Speaker 13: which I find is interesting, nobody really went into his background.

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Speaker 13: Clint Watts. He's a former FBI special agent. I knew

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Speaker 13: who he was because I've reported on him before. He's

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Speaker 13: a yeah, he's a commentator on he was a commentator

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Speaker 13: on MSNBC. He's been a long time commentator and expert

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01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:25,879
Speaker 13: on foreign influence efforts. And I you know, in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 13: after the twenty sixteen Russian led interference efforts into the election,

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Speaker 13: then he described, sometimes in hyperbolic terms, those those efforts,

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Speaker 13: calling at one point these the Russian efforts in the

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Speaker 13: past several years the most effective in history, which which

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Speaker 13: I thought was a little bit overstating it. And you know,

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Speaker 13: I looked into that question, and you know, Rand put

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Speaker 13: on an interstring report suggesting that they were not actually

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Speaker 13: particularly well organized, they were not particularly effective. So you know,

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Speaker 13: I don't want to I don't want to denigrate him,

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Speaker 13: but you know, he's somebody who is an expert in

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Speaker 13: foreign influence and that's what he tends to see. And

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Speaker 13: so in the context of that Microsoft report that he authored,

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Speaker 13: that's definitely concerns worth looking at. But what was astonishing

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Speaker 13: to me is neither the FBI nor the Director of

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Speaker 13: National Intelligence has put out a statement.

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Speaker 3: On any of this.

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Speaker 13: So really all we have to go on is that

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Speaker 13: a vague report by Microsoft, which again has declined to

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Speaker 13: identify who it was. There was a report in the

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Speaker 13: Washington Post a source to an anonymous anonymous source of

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Speaker 13: Ellen Nakashima's that said that it was a reference to

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Speaker 13: the Trump campaign, but we don't know if that's the

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Speaker 13: same thing as the as the as the leaked information.

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Speaker 2: In fact, let's can we take a step back, though,

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Speaker 2: and just maybe explain to people what happened is that

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Speaker 2: this leaked dossier has come to reporters people are claiming

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Speaker 2: it is Iran. Now, why is it unusual, like you

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Speaker 2: just said, for the dn I, the FBI and others

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Speaker 2: to have not offered comment with such a public story.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so in a situation like this, going back months

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Speaker 13: now that DNI said we are going to prioritize declassifying

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Speaker 13: and releasing information proactive to head out foreign interference efforts.

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Speaker 13: And for them to, you know, several days into this

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Speaker 13: not even say we're looking at it, we're going to

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Speaker 13: have something for you, just no comment at all from

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Speaker 13: the DNI. We have no comment from the FBI either.

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Speaker 13: They're not doing very good at what they what they

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Speaker 13: said that they were going to do, which was to

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01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 13: you know, release information of the public as quickly as

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01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 13: they can, or they don't have anything. And that essentially

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Speaker 13: is the question. And I was just about to say

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Speaker 13: a moment ago the New York Times yesterday David Sanger,

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Speaker 13: the one of the national security correspondents, so that it's

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Speaker 13: not clear if this was from a hack or a

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Speaker 13: leak internal to the campaign. And I think that's a

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Speaker 13: responsible way to frame this. Now, there's plenty of reason

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Speaker 13: to think that it was the Iranians. I mean to

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Speaker 13: think that they that they had motive rather because you know,

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Speaker 13: Trump very hawkish on Iran, theatrically so at times, posting

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Speaker 13: a Game of Thrones at one point spoof of him

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Speaker 13: saying sanctions are coming, and of course the assassination of

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Speaker 13: Castem Solamani, the reimposition of sanctions that would throw from

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Speaker 13: the Iran deal. So all that to say they have

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Speaker 13: the motive, but we don't yet know that they were

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Speaker 13: actually the ones that carried it out. And the press

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Speaker 13: reporting has been extremely irresponsible in this regard. I mean,

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Speaker 13: we're coming into what could be this week in Iranian

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Speaker 13: military retaliation for the assassination in Iran by Israel of

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Speaker 13: the political leader of Hamas, and they're just running with

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Speaker 13: this thing without any underlying proof or even evidence beyond

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Speaker 13: just Microsoft's vague statement, which again did not provide any

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Speaker 13: specifics to know that this was even the same event.

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Speaker 1: The ironies here, obviously are very rich when you consider

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Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen Russian hacking and release of information from

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Speaker 1: internal to the Clinton campaign and Trump, you know, going

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Speaker 1: out and encouraging that Russia if you're listening, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Now the shoe is very much on the

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Speaker 1: other foot, assuming it is Iran, which, as you say,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, not entirely clear that it is at

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Speaker 1: this point. So a Trump campaign spokesman Stephen Chung said,

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Speaker 1: any media or news outlet reprinting documents or internal communications

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Speaker 1: are do the bidding of America's enemies and doing exactly

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Speaker 1: what they want. I mean, that sounds almost identical to

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Speaker 1: the language that the Clinton campaign and their supporters used

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Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen to try unsuccessfully to get the

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Speaker 1: media not to report on the contents of those leaks.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, the ironer here seems to be appreciated by everyone

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01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:25,759
Speaker 13: except the Trump campaign. There's just no awareness at all

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Speaker 13: of it. And I want to point out one interesting

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01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 13: thing about that spokesperson. It's been reported that he was asked,

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Speaker 13: have you been in touch with Microsoft? And he declined

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01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:37,639
Speaker 13: to say repeatedly to multiple outlets. So there's a lack

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01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 13: of evidence here. And in fact, if you look at

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Speaker 13: some of the subsequent reporting, they describe the campaign having

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01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 13: been aware of a breach several weeks ago, but that

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01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 13: internally in their discussions they didn't know who it was.

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Speaker 13: So I think there's a very good chance that they

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Speaker 13: just don't know and that this is a speculation.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 13: None of that is to say that at some point

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Speaker 13: in the future we might find out that we wouldn't

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Speaker 13: find out that it was Iran. But but what seems

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Speaker 13: very clear is that they just don't know, and I

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Speaker 13: haven't seen any country. I haven't seen any country reading

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01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 13: evidence to suggest that that that their own understanding of

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01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:14,200
Speaker 13: has changed in the last several days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean looking, I was just reading as well,

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Speaker 2: like you said, Even others are response. Media outlets are

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Speaker 2: saying some have accused Iran, but nobody is definitively saying.

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Speaker 2: The White House has not yet released a statement, which

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Speaker 2: it seems likely that it would given previous positioning. Can

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's been some speculation that, oh, well, if

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Speaker 2: it was, they wouldn't want to acknowledge it, but that

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem true to me, given how you know, how

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Speaker 2: outrage they were over Russian hacks and how big a

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Speaker 2: deal they have made about election threats and hacking and

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Speaker 2: all of that.

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Speaker 3: What's your read on the situation.

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Speaker 13: I mean, this is a huge budget priority, and I've

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01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 13: reported on the on the emergence of all of these

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01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 13: counter disinformation kind of foreign influence offices throughout the federal government,

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Speaker 13: in the Department of Defense, in the Department Homeland Secure,

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Speaker 13: already within the DOJ. They have thrown so much money

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Speaker 13: at this and for us to be several days into

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01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 13: this and for them not even to say we're looking

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01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 13: at it, we're working on something, We're gonna have something

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Speaker 13: is outrageous.

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Speaker 3: What are we paying these people for.

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Speaker 13: They won't even come out and say we're looking at

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Speaker 13: the FBI did acknowledge that they've seen the media reporting,

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Speaker 13: so they know about this. It's on their radar, but

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Speaker 13: they won't give us anything. And I understand in a

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01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 13: cyber world they have of saying attribution is difficult. It's

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Speaker 13: hard to know who did what. I mean, you might

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Speaker 13: see that there was a breach, but it could be

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01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 13: a party trying to look like another party. It could

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Speaker 13: be you know, an independent actor. These questions are not

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Speaker 13: simple technical questions, so I understand that might take time.

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Speaker 13: But they have not provided any indication that they're working

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Speaker 13: on it or that an answer is forthcoming, which leads

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Speaker 13: me to wonder if there is one, or if the

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Speaker 13: agencies are just doing a poor job of communicating and

2341
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Speaker 13: again time. That's really important to geopolitically, for them to

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Speaker 13: be clear about what's.

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Speaker 3: Happening with regard to Iran. I mean, the.

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Speaker 13: Military's repositioning itself to prepare to protect Israel and respond

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Speaker 13: to an attack. I mean, this couldn't come in a

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Speaker 13: worse time geopolitically in terms of the conflict.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that's been curious to me is,

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Speaker 1: while we know that the hack occurred, and we even know,

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Speaker 1: you know, reportedly among the hacked materials was a document

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Speaker 1: that the Trump campaign confirmed was authentic that was effectively

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Speaker 1: the vetting document of JD. Vance that explored his strengths, weaknesses,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, as Donald Trump was considering adding him to

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Speaker 1: the ticket. Yet none of these outlets that receive these

2354
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 1: materials have actually reported on the contents of the materials. Now,

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Speaker 1: they did, and in my opinion, appropriately so when it

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Speaker 1: was you know, twenty sixteen, and with regards to Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: because you're a journalist, you get information from all kinds

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Speaker 1: of sketchy sources. If it's newsworthy, it's newsworthy. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter if it was you know, hacked document or not.

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Speaker 1: If it's newsworthy, you report on it. So what do

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Speaker 1: you make of the fact that none of these outlets,

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Speaker 1: at least last I checked, have actually reported out anything

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Speaker 1: on the contents of what they received.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I've seen all these reporters falling all over themselves

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Speaker 13: and say, I hope we learn the lessons of twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 13: You know, with all these kind of very you know,

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Speaker 13: self aggrandizing accounts of how how much we've learned, and

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Speaker 13: the fact that nobody's reporting on it, that was not

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Speaker 13: the lesson to learn. The lesson to learn was report

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Speaker 13: on those things. I agree with you with the context

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Speaker 13: of where it's coming from, if you don't know where

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Speaker 13: it's coming from, if it's coming from the Russians or whatever,

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Speaker 13: so that the public can make its own determination. I

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Speaker 13: think what we have is a.

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Speaker 3: Very kind of.

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Speaker 13: Patronizing attitude on the part of the press that, oh,

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Speaker 13: the public, you know, they're not mature enough to be

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Speaker 13: able to handle those guys.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they can just give them the explanation that there.

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Speaker 13: Is you know, a possibility, maybe it's plausible, maybe it's

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Speaker 13: even probable that the Ranis were behind it, and let

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Speaker 13: them come to their own conclusions. And I think what

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Speaker 13: this show is more than anything, is that this attempt

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Speaker 13: to try to you know, collapse. You know, Trump is

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Speaker 13: the favored candidate of the foreign or maybe. But the

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Speaker 13: truth is all sorts of parties are angling to try

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Speaker 13: to get what they want out of any election, and

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Speaker 13: in the end, it I think it might be kind

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Speaker 13: of a wash, and that this should encourage us to

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Speaker 13: stop just you know, treating everything is, oh, who's the

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Speaker 13: foreign prefer canic because the truth is, there's good reason

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Speaker 13: to believe the Rane and in fact that the d

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Speaker 13: n I has given indication that the Iranians would prefer

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Speaker 13: Biden to be president. On the other hand, there's good

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Speaker 13: evidence that the Russians prefer Trump to be president. So

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Speaker 13: maybe this neurosis about worrying about every single you know,

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Speaker 13: which foreign party approves of what I mean, everyone is

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Speaker 13: pushing for their interests in every direction. And so I

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Speaker 13: hope that I hope that this is a is a

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Speaker 13: reminder to people of that.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. Iran if you're listening, I will

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Speaker 2: publish anything.

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Speaker 3: As long as it's true. I don't care where it

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Speaker 3: comes from.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, true and newsworthy.

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Speaker 1: Then you know we that's not it, you know, And

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Speaker 1: I know they've I think the Trump campaign has said

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Speaker 1: what's in the JD vans vetting document is buying large

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Speaker 1: public information?

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Speaker 4: Probably is, but it's still newsworthy to know.

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Speaker 1: But they were assessing what they were concerned about, how

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Speaker 1: they thought about they could shore up his weaknesses, how

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Speaker 1: they were evaluating him, you know, versus other candidates, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Obviously that's new.

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Speaker 1: That would be newsworthy if it came out about Tim

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Speaker 1: Walls from the Harris campaign. Certainly, so obviously it has

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Speaker 1: a news value. And I'm actually kind of surprised, given

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Speaker 1: the precedent that was set back in twenty sixteen, that

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Speaker 1: no one has said a word about it. And we

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Speaker 1: know they've had these documents for a number of weeks,

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Speaker 1: so the time is not really you know, an excuse

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Speaker 1: at this point.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. All right, Ken, thank you so much for joining man.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you.

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Speaker 11: Ken.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, guys, all right, we'll see you guys later.