WEBVTT - TOM's Talks | Fran Dunphy 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.640 This podcast is part of the seventy Sixers podcast network 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:08.280 Search seventy sixers podcast Wherever you get your pots on 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.920 this week's edition of Tom's Talks. A legend in Philadelphia 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.800 coaching circles and one of the most respective men in 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:20.200 college basketball, fran Duffy, who played at and graduated from 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:24.040 LaSalle University, went on to win more games than any 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:28.280 other coach in Big Five history. Between the University of 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:32.920 Pennsylvania and Temple University, he spent thirty years as a 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:37.000 head coach in college basketball in Philadelphia. Part of the record, 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:41.120 he won five hundred and eighty games. His teams won 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:46.640 twelve regular season conference championships and made seventeen appearances in 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.479 the NCAA Tournament. He received the Dean Smith Award and 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:54.200 the John Wanamaker Award here locally one of the most 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.960 humble and competitive people I've ever met. Here's my conversation 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:04.600 with coach, and welcome once again to another session of 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.160 Tom's Talks. Coaches, I've said before, at least written to 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.800 you at one point, it's rare that a man is 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.800 you know, his reputation precedes him in the most positive ways, 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:16.679 But you're one of those guys that I mean that 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:21.160 sincerely in terms of your reputation in your character, and 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.200 it's just everyone thinks so high love you, so I 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.640 really thank you for doing this. And how's it going 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.000 during this period? I know you were teaching a leadership 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.640 course at Temple. How are you doing right now? We're 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.839 doing great. Time, to be honest, I've kept myself busy 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.920 in a lot of different ways, a lot of these 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:39.919 kinds of things, a lot of calls with my former 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.920 players and both from Penn and Temple. What's been great. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:49.360 Probably watching too much TV, reading a lot, walking, a lot, 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.560 plan some really big gulf on occasion, but really keep 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.600 myself busy. And my wife's ready to kick me out, 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.560 ass I'm sure, But but all's good. We're really very 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.440 very very lucky, very lucky group. Right. It is a 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.880 difficult time for all of us, and part of your deal. 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.160 A lot of people, at least basketball fans may not 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.120 be aware that you taught all those years at Penn 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.480 leadership in a business school and even at Temple here 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.680 over the last year, and you finished up your class 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.880 all the last six or so weeks over zoom like this. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.440 What was that like? And what's it been like to 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.560 be part of the student body and be a professor 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.880 all these years while being the basketball coach at those 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.919 two schools. Well, I certainly wouldn't masquerade as a professor. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.440 I was sort of a guest lecturer each class, is 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.720 what I would like to term it, because I was 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.320 in class with a professor, So it was a team 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:46.880 teaching kind of thing, and that's made so comfortable for me. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.320 But I was grateful to be in the classroom. I 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:53.320 thought it gave me a different look of the student body, 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.520 gave me a different look of what our players were 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.320 going through, and it also gave them a different look 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.800 for me. They looked at me in a different way, 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.760 and I hope that the faculty looked at me in 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.920 a different way too. That I just wasn't in my 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.240 office over in the in the basketball area, and that 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.960 was my only concern that I was actually concerned about 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.920 everybody who was at the institution. Let's face it, we're 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.320 nothing without our students, and so there's no need for 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.240 me to even have a job without the students. So 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.600 it really was great. As far as the Zoom was concerned, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.680 I was worried about it, to be honest, with a ton, 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.160 but it was really comfortable. We have eighteen kids in 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.400 the class, the professor and I we had our twenty 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.960 faces on the screen, and it was terrific. It really, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.560 you know what we did the first couple of classes. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.480 We spent a lot of time talking to them about 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.680 the world today and what they were going through. And 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.400 nine of them were seniors and that right of passage 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.360 was sort of taken away from them, that they couldn't 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.320 have fun with their classmates over the last couple of 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.320 months and do graduation and those kind of things. So 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.480 we really got a lot out of that, just really 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.320 listening to them. And there's no doubt that I learned 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.120 way more than they learned from me. I learned from them. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.280 They're tremendous kids, and I each and every class that 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:17.240 I had, I was overwhelmed by the engagement of these students, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.440 that how much they wanted to learn and how much 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.840 they could actually teach each other. And I think that's 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.320 really what we accomplished. And you did a lot of 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.960 class work over the years. I mean, you got your 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.920 masters at Villanova, obviously, you got your degree at LaSalle. 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.159 During your time at American, you did so much work 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.520 on your doctorate. So you weren't just a basketball coach 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.719 rolling into a classroom. You were a highly educated, prepared 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.880 as you say, maybe not professor, but you brought a 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.039 lot to the table, you know. I hope I brought 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.760 a lot of life lessons to the table. So all 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.400 of the mistakes that I made, of which I made many, 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.839 but I just think that's what you can lend to 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:03.200 a particular group. You know. We might talk about managing people, 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.360 you know, and I would always use the example of 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:10.440 managing down with my staff or everybody within the staff, 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.680 all the players, the managers that we had that worked 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.280 for us. But my job was also to manage up 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.720 with my relationship with the ad and the president board 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.320 of trustees. My manage with my job was to manage 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.400 to the left with the fans, the students, to get lums. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.240 My manage was to I needed to manage the right 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.360 with the media. And then you know, there's a lot 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.240 of things you need to do. You need to get back, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.280 you need some charity work within your your resume and 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.479 uh and you speaking engagements and those kind of things. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.040 So there's a lot of stuff to do. But you 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.000 got to and you have to manage all that, and 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.800 above all, you've got to when you come home at night, 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.320 you've got to turn all that off. And you've got 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.279 to be the best husband, father, friend that you can be. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.880 And uh, and it's it's all encompassing. But I loved 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:56.880 every second of it. I loved being busy, and I 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.680 loved doing as much as I possibly could. So it's 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.280 been an unbelievable life. Well, I was going to use 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.360 this line regarding the fact that you've worked or did 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.480 something at nearly every Big five school, but I'm going 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.640 to invoke the late great Dick Enberg and that you 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.760 touched them all right there and what it takes to 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.920 be a well rounded, successful person, and that defines you 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.040 in so many ways. And people that knew you as 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.719 a basketball coach all these years, and a guy at 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.880 a certain age would know that you were a highly 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:34.000 competitive basketball player at Las Cell. I mean having grown 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.599 up in Drexel Hill and going to Saint Dorothy's and whatnot, 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.960 Malvern Prepp. But then when you go to the Cell, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.200 you play for Tom Gola, the great Kenny Dirette from 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.279 Pittsburgh and your team at one point, if I'm not mistaken, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.400 sixty eight sixty nine, one loss, twenty three and one, 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.800 ranked second nationally in the country. It must have been 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.360 an incredible experience with the Explorers in your college basketball career. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.880 Touch on that, well, it was phenomenal. The guys that 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.520 I got a chance to play with, all five of them, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.279 all the starters that were in that sixty eight sixty 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:13.040 nineteen were fantastic college basketball players. Kenny Durrett was a 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.120 cut above, to be quite honest with him, if he 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:19.320 had not suffered a pretty severe knee injury back in 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.720 his senior year, then he would I think he had 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.480 been a twelve to fifteen year pro and and been 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:30.000 unbelievable player. But the technology in those days just didn't 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:36.000 allow for those aco repairs to be be of it. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.400 Just it was so consequential what happened to him, and 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.520 so it's it's hard. It was really hard. And then 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.360 Larry Cannon was an unbelievable player and he got he 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:51.480 got hurt, He had plebitis that really put him off stride. 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.440 Fatty Taylor probably played as much as anybody did in 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.000 the pros. And then Bernie Williams was another guy who 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.720 was terrific college basketball player and guy named stand let. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.600 Dar Chick was Bobby Jones before there was Bobby Jones, 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.320 but he just didn't and he got drafted by the 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.520 Milwaukee Bucks, but didn't want to do it as much 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.640 as maybe we all wanted it for him. And there 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.280 was a guy and he made Chesney who came off 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.320 the bench who was a great, great player as well. 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.200 Ironically enough, I just got a call from Bobby Cremmens, 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.640 who was obviously made his mark at the college coaching level, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.440 but he was on that team from South Carolina to 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.360 beat us that year, and he's writing a book, so 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.400 he called me to get some background information from our 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.800 standpoint what we felt about it. It was really interesting 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.080 to talk to him about it. It was a tough 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.000 loss for us, but all of us who think we 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:44.600 don't look back and what was me kind of kind 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.400 of group on this. You know, we just got beat 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.720 that night. And actually Tom goal I mentioned it to 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:55.800 Bobby that Tom took all of the the not the credit, 0:08:55.960 --> 0:09:01.560 but the to do for us not winning that night 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.959 because we didn't. We felt like we should have pressured 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:05.839 them and picked the pace up of the game. They 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.560 held the ball, there was no shot clock or any 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.560 of that, and a guy named John Roach was instrumental 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.320 in their teams. But that was that particular game, and 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.000 we had some great, great wins. But we still stay together. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:18.800 We talk all the time. I'm on the phone with 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.800 Larry Cannon once a month. But unfortunately Kennedy to write 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.920 us left us ass Pattie Taylor and as says Bernie Williams, 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.360 and but the rest of us stay in touch, and 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.600 I'm grateful for that. When teams win, they stay together. 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.280 In that famous line of Fred Shiro that I throw 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.680 out to all of these players that I have, you 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.480 know we win tonight, we walked together forever. And that's 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.160 I think what happens to all these great, great teams, right, 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.560 That's I think what young players need to realize that 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:53.120 it's about shared sacrifice, playing together, achieving something together in 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.480 this world of highlights and you know this, that and 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.120 the other. I think that's really missed. And I know 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.480 you know that you went to a law assistant. You 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.840 spent fifteen years as an assistant coach walk us through that. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.319 Some of that was at Army, as I mentioned Americans, 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.240 some other stops along the way. As a guy trying 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.880 to put the foothold if you will on your coaching career. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.280 What were those years as an assistant? A decade and 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.640 a half? Like, well, they were great in that I 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.280 learned from some really terrific people, you know. So I 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.760 learned initially from Dan Docherty, who was my high school 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.040 basketball coach at West Point in that one year that 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.040 I spent there. And then I was a high school 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.400 basketball coach for four years, which was terrific. I learned 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:36.160 a lot from that as well. Then I went with 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.960 Lefty Urban for a year and left left these first 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.160 year at Lasale and left these last year at Lasale. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.199 The five years in between I was with Gary Williams, 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.720 who taught me a lot. I was with a guy 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.600 named tep Scott who was terrific as well, both at 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.760 American University. And then I came back to work for 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.360 Speedy Morris as well. And then I got a chance 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.280 to work with Tom Schneider at Penn for one year, 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.760 and then he decided to leave to go to Loyal Baltimore, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.280 and I'm sitting there and it was all about timing, 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.040 it was all about good fortune. They gave me the job. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.360 I don't think I was the first, second or third choice, 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.520 but I got the job, and one of the things 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:15.719 a story that I tell all the time, and I'll 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:17.200 throw it out. I try to make it as quick 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.560 as I can. I signed a three year contract at Penn. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.560 I would have taken a three day contract. I just 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:26.840 wanted the gym. The first year, I didn't think. I 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.320 thought most assistant coaches think they know everything, and I 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.560 was one of them. And then when I got the 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.960 head coaching job, I've realized I didn't know anything. So 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.880 our first year we were twelve and fourteen, second year 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.320 or nine and seventeen, and I go in to see 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.719 my boss at the end of the second year to 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.200 go to my third and last year of the contract. 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.680 He slides this piece of paper in front of me 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.040 and I said, I looked at it. I said, something 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:53.760 wrong with you? He said, what are you talking about? 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.640 I said, well, you are aware that we went twelve 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.079 and fourteen and nine and seventeen, right, And he said yeah, no. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.400 I said, well, this as a new three year contract. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.720 Why are you doing this? He said, well, I like 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.080 how you work. I like your staff. I think you 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.720 guys really work hard. You got a plan. You've recruited 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.240 some really good kids. The kids have done a really 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.160 good job. You'll be fine. The next year we turned 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.840 around a little bit. Sixteen and ten, we're starting to 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.160 get our act together, largely because of Jerome Allen, and 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.280 then Matt Maloney comes in to join him, and Ara 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:27.000 Bowman comes in and so so with that we then 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.280 the following three years we don't lose a league game 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.280 because we have really good players, you know. And but 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.960 here was this guy, Paul Rubinkaan was my ad and 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.079 he saw something in me that I really appreciate it. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.080 And I've never forgotten that. I call him all the 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.719 time and remind him of how good he was to 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.959 me and how important he is to me as a 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.240 human being. So I think those are important things to do. It. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.760 You got to tell people how you feel about them, 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.920 probably not on the negative side of things, but how 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.160 you feel about them. What these people have done to you, 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:58.880 you know, tell him you love them, tell them what 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.679 they've done for you. Right, So, Matt Maloney, and as 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:07.199 you say, Jerome Allen, Many or Benny Pierce, you got 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.400 fourteen to oh three years in a row, twenty two wins, 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.560 twenty five, twenty six, all the way to ninety four 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.200 ninety five. That was a pretty good chunk there. You 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.160 had to feel pretty proud of those Quaker teams. Yeah, 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:23.319 very much so, great group of guys and again terrific 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:28.560 buy in by them. And again when we when I 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.360 talk about Jerome and Matt, as good as they were 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.520 on offense, they were unbelievable in defense or big guys 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.560 never got in found because none of the other guards 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.240 ever got to the rim, and they were just that 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.360 good of keeping the ball out of the lane. So 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.280 they were again tremendous by and they didn't care who 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.880 got the credit. They just wanted to win. And they 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:52.080 certainly drug us too many victories with the IVY League 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.959 and no athletics scholarships. You know, like one of these 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.440 books sitting around here by John Feinstein is about the 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.160 last hans about the Patriot League. Was their purity in 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.720 the IVY League, like how we would maybe look at 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.240 it from the outside and that these were totally like 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.240 student athletes. Um, did you find that? I mean, that's 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.360 just the whole University of Pennsylvania and that the great 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:21.440 reputation of basketball the Cholestra is that how you would 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:26.200 define it? In part YEA would although I would say 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.920 to you that most of those guys that came into 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.760 play basketball, they played, they were basketball players. They thought 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.920 of themselves as really good students, but they really wanted 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.280 to be known as basketball players too. It's really important 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.960 to them. That's that's how they spoke oftentimes, you know, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.240 did they speak through their grades and their academics and 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.000 how they did, But but they really wanted to be 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.560 known as good basketball players. And I think that's what 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.440 made each group successful, and they were. We had like 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.000 four different groups of guys that were really highly successful 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.800 at Penn and they stayed the other and they really 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.600 they wanted to be known as a great team in 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.760 addition to being great basketball players. So I was really 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.520 fortunate that way, and they all did well in school. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.840 I think one of the great things about college athletics 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.160 as it has developed over the years is the academic 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.960 advising has gotten so good that I might even have 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.200 been a good student when I was at SOUD many 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.200 years ago if I'd had the kind of help that 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:25.880 they have today. And I think it's a great thing. 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.840 I think it's really helped college athletics. And I give 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.560 the NC double A a a great credit for that, by 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.120 the way, because they've laid the law down, so we 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.960 can't be having kids that are just not getting it 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.600 done in the classroom. And so if you were not 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.360 doing well academically, you might suffer a loss of a 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:45.360 scholarship or some penalties of that nature. So I give 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:46.960 the NC double A a a lot of credit here, But 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.240 as much as they were great students, they also felt 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.440 the need to be very good basketball players as well. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.720 We'll have more of my conversation with coach Fran Dumpy 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.560 in a moment. In this time of social distancing, Novacare 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.640 Rehabilitation is offering physical therapy from the comfort and safety 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.240 of your home. Through their new tell a Rehab program, 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.760 Novacare will virtually bring their services to you so you 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.080 may heal, build strength, and get back to the things 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.360 you love. Tell a Rehab let you easily connect with 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.360 one of Novacare's licensed therapists through web based technology that 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:28.240 is Hippo compliant. For more information, visit novacare dot com. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.760 Now back to my chat with Fran Dumpy. Eventually, in 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.840 two thousand and six, you go to Temple and replace 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.720 John Cheney. Just talk a little bit about that, because 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.720 obviously Temple basketball and you had varied a lot of 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.000 success there, initially in the A ten and then the AC. 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.520 But that transition from Pen to Temple for you, it 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.440 was interesting, to say the least time. I was sort 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.680 of petrified, to be honest with you, But I did 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.560 talk with coach Cheney. He gave me his blessing is okay, 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.640 So that was very important. And I told the story 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:08.400 all the time about about Mark Tindale, who was ineligible 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.560 to play right away. He was our most prominent player 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.960 at that point and so my first team for the 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.720 first six games, he's going to be ineligible. But what 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.960 we talked about with Mark was when he was ineligible, 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.159 they reported at the Daily News, the Inquirer, Comcast Sports 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.760 that ESPN had a ticker on the bottom Mark Tindale 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.600 ineligible to play the first six games. So in that 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.560 first semester he took four courses, he got four bees, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:38.159 did a great job, got eligible again, and you know 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.320 it was in the inquire in the Daily News, on 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:45.399 Comcast Sports, then on esp NO. All right, so that 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.080 was the lesson. You know, if you don't do your work, 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.199 people are going to report on it, and you're not 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.760 going to get reported on the great things that you 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.199 have done here so and then he came back and 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.200 we struggled a little bit that our first year and 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.680 then we won the conference title and second year I 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.520 Deante Christmas was an unbelievable player. Leboy Allen kind of 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.800 solidified everything for us. I think you're getting my drift. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.800 When we got really good players, that makes you a 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.120 really good coach. And that's really what it is. I mean, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.199 it is about the players and what they do, and 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.960 if you can help in the buy in, then then 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.160 I think you've got something really strong. And I always 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.200 felt like if the leadership within the group was great, 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.440 then we were going to be pretty good. Coach. You've 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.240 been nice enough over the years to let me into 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.000 watch your practices. I love hoops. It's just a treat 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.600 to be in there. And if somebody's watching on TV 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:37.800 or they're in the upper reaches of the Leo Coors 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.920 Center or the Polestra and may see the coach clappington 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.240 and all that, they don't see the fire and the 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:49.080 competitive drive that all of you coaches have your players 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.479 at which you're trying to instill in to the lay person, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:57.800 Like try to describe where that comes from. That ultra 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.040 competitive and you're not a moment, but you had it 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:06.080 as much as anybody. Walk us through that a little bit. Yeah, 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.040 I don't think you have a lot of control over 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.160 that time that you are what you are as a coach, 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.400 you are as what you are as a human being, 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.800 and again a husband, father, or whatever. You want to 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.840 be the best at at it what you can be. 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.879 You know, it was funny when I first thought I 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.840 was going to be a head coach. I said, I'm watching, 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.280 you know, the guys that were doing it pretty good. 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.000 Schevski was coming into his own and watch what he's doing. 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.880 And he's sitting on the bench going two or three 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.000 or one or whatever. That's pretty easy. And you could 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.360 just sit there. Well, I couldn't sit there. I had 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.040 a stand and kneel and do what I And even 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.359 when I do sit down, I'm popping back up again. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.960 You know, you have no control over that. That's you know. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.359 You see, guys, I've watched Jay right, he's up and 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:54.280 down the side. He logs a few thousand miles a 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.879 year up and down the bench, you know. So, but 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.719 we're all different. We're all and we all do different 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.560 things to make us better as a as a basketball coach. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.000 But we're all trying to learn all the time, you know, 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.520 And I think that's what happened. I would be the 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.440 Sixers organization. You would see me at six Ers practices 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.640 on occasion, every one of those coaches from the Sixers 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.280 welcomed the college basketball community in to watch practice and 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:20.840 then would sit with the actors. What do you think 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.120 it is? I actually had Larry Brown one day say 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.960 to me, how would you guard that screen? Enroll? You're 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.080 Larry Brown, I'm just playing old friend. Don't they just 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.040 a regular Joe here? But he wanted to he wanted 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:32.800 to engage, He wanted to talk about it, you know, 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.800 and they all do. It's just that we all are 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.240 like that. We just is there. If there's a special 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:43.439 sub special thing we can get to make us better coaches, 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.720 that's what we're trying to do, right, And you'll have 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.520 to drive to do. Yeah. But but the craziness is 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.240 it's in you. There's nothing, nothing you can do about it. 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.520 You gotta love them, baby. You mentioned Coach k He 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.800 was on a recent radio program here in Philadelphia and 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.280 he mentioned that you guys are long time friends. Speak 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:05.280 to that relationship. Well, yeah, I tell the story a lot. 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.360