1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: back here Buck. How you do man, Man, I'm good. 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: How's everything? How's everything? Everything's good? Man? Got a little 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: uh pillow walk in the morning. I've turned to that 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: old man who gets to walk in in the morning. 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: That's like the for sure thing that I get in 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: and then uh in the evening, I always have my 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: little hit workout. I'm trying to get too. So it's 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: not so you doing you're doing two days, but a 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: walk I don't know if I can count. The walking 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: in the morning is a two day. But I we 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: get like my wife and we get like four or 14 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: five miles every morning, and we know, waved to the 15 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: people in the neighborhood. It's like a scene out of 16 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: a movie. Um. I don't know if you saw the thing, 17 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Like I know we didn't have this on the thing, 18 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: but Marcia Yonda, I don't know if you saw the article. Yeah, 19 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: oh yeah, how he's lost like a ton of weight. 20 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: He's also like sixty three months and part of his 21 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: routine is, um, he does like a pillow time by 22 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: forty five minutes in the morning. But then he and 23 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: his wife going these five and six mile walks each day, 24 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: and he's gone to his radical where he's cut his 25 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: calories way down. Um, really unbelievable. But if you get 26 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: a chance to check out the story, he's alright, it's great. 27 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: It's crazy. But were you there when y'all drafted him? Yep, 28 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: that was That was one of our favorite picks that draft. 29 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: We took Ben Grubs in the first round and we 30 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: had incredibly high grades on Yonda. He was sticking out 31 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: like a sore thumb, so um, we took him in 32 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: the third and you know, kind of the rest of history. 33 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: Ben Grabs had a good career, made some Pro Bowls, 34 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: made a lot of money. But Marcia Yonda is a 35 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer, more than likely the best 36 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: guard of his generation. But there was there was a 37 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: There was a play with him against Iowa State. You 38 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: can go on YouTube and you can find it on 39 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: a like a reverse. He has a peel back block 40 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: in that game that's as vicious as any block I've 41 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: ever seen from from a college kid. But we loved him. 42 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: The whole room loved him. He was like the scouts favorite. 43 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: So it was one of those deals, like, I know, 44 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: we already took an interior linement, but this dude, we 45 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: gotta take him. I think the funny thing in reading 46 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: about it, I just wondered about the routine they talked about, 47 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: like a discipline routine that he has in terms of 48 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: preparing himself and getting his body ready, And how like 49 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: he had the same truck forever, how he had the 50 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: same please that he un into Pro Bowl to stay 51 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: in this How he's a very meticulous planner when he 52 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: comes to getting himself ready to play in anything that 53 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: he does. And so I just wondered, with you being 54 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: in the room, did he have that same reputation coming 55 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: out of Iowa? Was that something that they talked about 56 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: because we hear stories background and that stuff, But did 57 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: the background matchup to how he actually presented himself when 58 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: he showed up on campus, just no nonsense pros pro 59 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: And it was like that when he came in. I 60 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: want to say he actually played some tackle for US 61 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: early on too. He might have played some right tackle 62 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: before kicking inside um, but just you know, it wasn't long. 63 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: You know it's not and you can see the pictures 64 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: in that article you can see him kind of with 65 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: his shirt off as a player, like nothing gonna stand 66 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: out about him physically, but just he was so technically 67 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: sound coming out of Iowa, which a lot of those 68 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: guys are, and he was so strong. Um so he 69 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: had a eight career. It's kind of our enforcer. And 70 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: then I also think it goes along the lines of 71 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: when you when you are a young player and you 72 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: practice against Kelly Gregg who was a wrestler leverage player 73 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: every day, you practice against Helodi Nada every day like that, 74 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: those guys made each other better. I mean, those are 75 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: wars in practice with those google with those guys not. 76 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: It's funny because we've talked about it, the competitiveness and 77 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: iron sharp and iron and when you have a good 78 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: team man, you talk about accelerating the development of some 79 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: of your young players provided they have the right mindset. 80 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: It absolutely helps to go against good players each and 81 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: every day because if you're competitive and if you're prideful, 82 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: you're going to raise your game because you don't want 83 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: to be embarrassed on daily basis no doubt. Um, we've 84 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: got we've got a fun show. Buck today We're gonna 85 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: have an interview, which I think people might think this 86 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: is odd when they hear us say who this person is, 87 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: But trust me, you are gonna love this. We're gonna 88 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: give you a little snippet today. We're gonna give you 89 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: a little more on the television show, which is gonna 90 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: be Thursday night, six pm Eastern. You can find the 91 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: Move to six TV show and NFL Network, and then 92 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: we'll give the entire interview on the Friday audio podcast. 93 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: But the guest is John Smoltz, Hall of Fame picture 94 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Braves, but Buck, we want a lot 95 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: of different areas with him in this interview. It was 96 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: a fantastic interview. Um Man. I'm so happy that we 97 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: were able to get the Hall of Famer on uh. 98 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: His insight into the competitive mindset, uh, the similarities between 99 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and starting pictures, the culture that they created with 100 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Braves when they went on to win fourteen 101 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: straight division titles, and how Bobby Cox and the leaders 102 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: kind of kept that thing going. Uh Man, it was 103 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: just really really insightful and I think over the next 104 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: few podcasts that our listeners will really get a lot 105 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: out of listening to him. And how they prepared and 106 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: how winners stay on top. Yeah, it doesn't matter when 107 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: you're talking about team building, you're talking about winners, Hall 108 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: of famers. There's a lot you can learn not only 109 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: from your own sport, but from other sports. And I 110 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: feel like we we learned a lot from John Smoltz 111 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: in this conversation. Um, so we're gonna again. You see 112 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: a little bit more of this on the TV show 113 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: six PM on Thursday, the entire of the interview, the 114 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: entirety of the interview on Friday. But I want to 115 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: give you a little taste right now because John Smoltz 116 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: has got an interesting friend group, let's just put it 117 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: that way. He's not hanging out with the same people 118 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: were hanging out with. But we asked him about the 119 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: documentary that just wrapped up on the Last Dance on 120 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bulls, and Michael Jordan wanted to see if 121 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: he watched it, and he had some interesting insight. Have 122 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: you got a chance to watch the documentary on the Bowls, John, 123 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: I'd love to know just your takeaway after watching that 124 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: dynasty on television, after having been a part of a 125 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: dynasty in baseball. I have I watched it. It was outstanding. 126 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: I've got a chance to play with Michael Jordan and 127 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: Goulf quite a bit along with Tiger Woods, two of 128 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: the most competitive, most fierce athletes in the in the 129 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: history of sports, and I understood real quickly what makes 130 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 1: them tick. It's an inner desire to be the best 131 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: and know they're going to make the shot or hit 132 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: the shot, and if they don't, they're gonna get right 133 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: back on the saddle again. They're gonna do it again. 134 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: I think that dominance shows of what what Michael went 135 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: through when you're trying to be i'me a champion, you know, 136 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: similar to what we went through. Uh, we were terrible. 137 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: Then we had to learn how to win that. We 138 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: had to bring guys in that taught us how to 139 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: win that. We had to finally Clint, you know, clinch 140 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: something wins something. And you know, we thought we were 141 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: going to run off four or five ourselves. But what 142 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: Michael and the Bulls were able to do it just 143 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: transforms uh sports in a way where I don't know 144 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: that we'll ever see another guy like him. Um. Sometimes 145 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, as a leader, you're going to bear a 146 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: lot of opinions about yourself even though they may not 147 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: be flattering, But if you've got a chance to lead 148 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: your team and make everybody around you better, that is 149 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: ultimately the goal of a of a true competitor that 150 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: wants to win championships. Yeah, Buck, that was That was awesome. 151 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, can you imagine I'd love 152 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: to be a caddy on a golf course when you're like, 153 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: who who's playing today? Who we got that account? Is 154 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: that account? It Bill showing up today? I don't know, 155 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: We've that marketing guy is a real jerk. I hope 156 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: you don't have to caddy for him. Who do you got? Oh, 157 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: I've got John Smolt, Iger Woods and Michael Jordan's. Oh yeah, 158 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: that day doesn't suck. Yeah. I think it was fascinating 159 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: listening to him. But I think what we're seeing is that, uh, 160 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: the ultimate competitors are all wired kind of the same way, 161 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: Like everything is a competition, and it leaves um not 162 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: only the playing field, but it extends into all aspects 163 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: of their respective lives. And when you have an opportunity 164 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: to have Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Johns, most three guys 165 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: who are insanely competitive, they're playing golf and doing the 166 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: things that they like to do and competing. Uh, you 167 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: just get a sense of what it takes to be 168 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: one of those elite level competitors. And for johns Most 169 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: to kind of share those stories, Uh, it was outstanding. No, no, again, 170 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: this is just the tip of the iceberg here. You're 171 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: gonna enjoy the rest of this interview, I promise you. 172 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 1: But some other things you want to cover today, Buck 173 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: and UH give you a little heads up here. We're 174 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about what's going on with 175 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. What he's got going on down there in Tampa. 176 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: I found fascinating. Um, there's a there's an interesting little clip, 177 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: especially considering what we've been talking about out about Multi Sports, 178 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: about you, about Tiger Woods, about Lebron James, you know, 179 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: flirting with football maybe a little more serious than we 180 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: ever thought according to him, and something they posted on 181 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: Uninterrupted the other day. UM, So we're gonna get into that. 182 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: And then at the end, I want to give you 183 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: a little, uh, a little tutorial here from my buddy 184 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: Phil Savage, who was my scouting mentor who's now working 185 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: with Joe Douglass with the Jets, but was the h 186 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: R in the scouting department for the Baltimore Ravens as 187 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: a personnel director and then was a general manager of 188 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. Uh as good as scout as I've ever 189 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: been around, and somebody that really taught all of us 190 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: in Baltimore during those years. But I found some notes 191 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: from Phil going back to two thousand three at a 192 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: Scout school we had in Baltimore. Um, and it was 193 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: about how you scout a live game and practice. So 194 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: I think you'll get a kick out of that of 195 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: just kind of the checklist and what to go through 196 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: on that not as funny because Um, you talked about 197 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: a Scout schools and how invited they are. Um, when 198 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: you're a young scout and you're still learning the business, 199 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: or even when you're an experience scout, sometimes they gives 200 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: you an opportunity to kind of like just sharpen your 201 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: your tool kit and understand exactly what is necessary to 202 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: see players for what they are, to be able to 203 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: project him accurately and those things. And so, man, I 204 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: can't wait to kind of hear what you got. Yeah, no, 205 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: it's fun. We'll get to that there at the end 206 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: of the show. But I do want to get to 207 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: something I know you were intrigued about as well, which 208 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: was this this little nugget coming out about Lebron James 209 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: legitimately flirting with football, potentially joining the Dallas Cowboys, I 210 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: leave his favorite team. So our buddy uh t d 211 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: who was the original producer of the movie Sticks podcast, 212 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: is now over at Uninterrupted. Uh he's kind of the 213 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: one who put that whole show together with Lebron talking 214 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: about football. Um. But before we get to your opinion 215 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: on that, buck, we can roll back some sound we 216 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: had from an earlier conversation with urban Meyer, not the 217 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: one last week, but when we had previously with him 218 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: about Lebron James the football player. You know, it's ironic. 219 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: I did recruit Lebron James. I was at Notre Dame 220 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: receiver coach and and he was a software football player. 221 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: And the coach at St. Princent St. Mary was a 222 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: good friend and he said, what do you think of 223 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: this guy? Is like, oh my gosh. And so I 224 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: went offered him a scholarship and they started laughing at 225 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: me and said he's not gonna play. You don't know 226 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: who that is, dude. I said no, and he said 227 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: that's Lebron James. I go, who's Lebron James. So Lebron 228 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: and I still Lebron, remember that, we still talked about it. 229 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: By the way, he would be a player, And I 230 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: was from November of nineteen buck talking about recruiting Lebron 231 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: James there with Urban Meyer. But would you take away 232 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: from that, how would that have gone? We saw Michael 233 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: Jordan flirt and actually, you know, play baseball. What would 234 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: that look like with Lebron playing football? You know? The 235 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: funny thing with Lebron James. Um, when they're talking about him, 236 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: POTENSI coming over to talking about two thousand and nine, 237 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: So this is when Lebron James is young. UM still 238 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: kind of in the mix. He might have been with 239 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: twenty four around the time, and so I will compare 240 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: it like this, Um, Lebron James was six eight two 241 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: fifty pounds. Lebron James had a forty four in vertical. 242 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: I think we kind of stretched it out and kind 243 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: of translated. So that probably puts him in that four 244 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: or five five maybe four six five range in terms 245 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: of how fast he would run well, and playing with 246 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez and watching Antonio Gates, he is probably a 247 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: better athlete than both of those guys. UM Tony Gonzalez 248 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: had football experience making the move over UM to the 249 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: national football the campus. Antonio Gates had a little bit 250 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: in high school but didn't necessarily playing in college. Lebron 251 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: was a two time state All state wide receiver in 252 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: high school. He has experienced, He scored touchdowns, He was 253 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: a legitimate player. I think it's fairly reasonable and credible 254 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: to say that you could see him having the kind 255 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: of success that they had if given those opportunities to 256 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: develop and really play the game and developed the game 257 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: as a guy that comes over from the hardwood to 258 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: the gridiron kind of late in his career, late in 259 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: the development stage. Yeah, I think to me, you talk 260 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: about tight end and I you know, look, he's so 261 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: physically wrong, and I think he got up to like 262 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: two seventy pounds. I mean, this is this is a 263 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: six eight, two seventy pound guy that is literally the 264 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: greatest athlete on planet Earth. And so I'm sitting here 265 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: going tight end is like, Man, I'd be tempting to say, 266 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: you play with Julius Peppers, Are you around Julius Peppers 267 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: with with the Panthers, I'd have been tempted to say, dude, 268 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna line you up in a nine technique. I'm 269 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: gonna line you up wide and let you fly and 270 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: let somebody try and deal with that. Now, I think, 271 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: but we put him in his natural position because he 272 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: played wide receiver in high school, you think about him 273 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: being um a tight end. I just I mean, I'm 274 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: in the process of doing a top five at tight ends, 275 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: and so when I look at the tight ends that 276 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: we're raving about right now, it's like George Kittle, is, 277 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey and Zachers. I'm not saying that he's as 278 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: accomplished as those guys, but the next guys that come 279 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: after that, how about Lebron James versus Jered Cook or 280 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: Lebron James versus Darren Waller. I think you can make 281 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: a reasonable stretch and say, you know, if we're saying 282 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: that the top five tight in the game are these guys, 283 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: you could slide him in based on his athleticism, his 284 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: hand out coordination, the the the the overall ability to 285 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: post up guys and play with body positioning. You could 286 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: see him being at the worst a red zone threat 287 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: because just think about the jump that Jimmy Graham made 288 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: from being I mean a marginal basketball player at Miami. 289 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: And that's not being disrespectful to his basketball exploits, to 290 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: being a third round pick, to being a guy who 291 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: doing a time in his career was in that conversation 292 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: with being one of the best tight ends. I think 293 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: you could take a better basketball player with better athleticism 294 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: and say that Lebron James could be a high end 295 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: player in the National Football League. I just look at 296 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: Antonio Gates, who I think will go down as one 297 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: of the you know what, three or four best tight 298 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: ends in NFL history. Like he's in that conversation top 299 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: three or four tight end. I saw Antonio Gates play 300 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: basketball in college, Like I went and watched him. They 301 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: played in San Diego in a regional I think against 302 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: Indiana one year. Uh, I went down there and watched him. 303 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he was and he was a really good 304 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: basketball player. He was not Lebron James. Man, this is 305 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: the best basketball player on the planet, the best athlete 306 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: on the planet. I just I don't I don't feel 307 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: like it's some hot take to say he could have 308 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: been the best tight end in the NFL. I think 309 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: I think, without question, he could have been the best 310 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: tight end in the NFL, without a question. And I'm 311 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: saying this having not only played with Tony Gonzalez on 312 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: the football field, but playing basketball with Tony Gonzalez, who looked, 313 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: man it was a really good basketball player. But Tony 314 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: was said, Tony's not Lebron James. Tony wasn't the same athlete. 315 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: Tony was a six four post up guy who could 316 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: play with physicality and toughness and all that, and he 317 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: had opportunities to play summer league with I think the 318 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: Miami Heat back when we were in Kansas City and 319 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: those things. We're talking about a high end basketball player, 320 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: one of the best basketball players that we've seen, who 321 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: has legitimate football experience with a football body and a body, 322 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: and I just think it it. I mean, it's look, 323 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: without stretching it, it's reasonable to say that, Look, he 324 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: could have been one of the best tight ends to play. 325 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: He could have been someone that if he played from 326 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: day one, he maybe end up being a gold jacket 327 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: guy in football as well. Because when I look at 328 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez, the success that they had 329 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: using their basketball backgrounds to succeed on the football field. 330 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: I think Lebron James could at least do what they 331 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: did based on his background, his athleticism, uh, and in 332 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: his no how Yeah, and I can tell you right 333 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: now he would block better than Jimmy Graham. Having never 334 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: seen Lebron James ever attempt to block, he would be 335 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: he would have been a better blocker than Jimmy Graham. 336 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: I feel confident saying that. Yeah, but I mean thinking 337 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: about what Jimmy Graham was able to accomplish. Graham has 338 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: nothing to get paid. He gets paid every year. I mean, 339 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: like the number of touchdowns and all the stuff that 340 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: he scored when he's with the New Orleans Saints playing 341 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: at a high level. Uh yeah, and the way teams 342 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: are using tight ends now the tight end isn't even 343 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: really a tight end. He's a flex wide receiver, a supersize. 344 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: Why do just playing in space Lebron James could do 345 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: thatn't have success? Yeah? I thought it was kind of 346 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: a fun story. So again, shout out to our buddy 347 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: t D. If we put that thing together over uninterrupted, Uh, 348 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: nice job there, give us something to talk about. Um, 349 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: all right, before I get to these uh these scouting 350 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: notes and scouting live games. Buck. I don't know if 351 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: you saw this, um, it just kind of came out 352 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: a few minutes ago. But the report about Tom Brady 353 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: who is working out at Berkeley Prep, who I think 354 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: it actually is the high school where we've been there 355 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: for the East West practices. I think that's one of 356 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: the high schools they used to practice at. I want 357 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: to say it's the same high school Nelson Agilar went to. 358 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: By the way, I went from from Tampa, that Tampa 359 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: High school out to usc and and now in the 360 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: National Football League, from the Eagles to the Raiders. But 361 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: he's there, Tom Brady is there, and he's not alone. 362 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: He has got the majority of the skill players for 363 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Bucks. They're in helmets. Tom is in 364 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: full shoulder pads and his orange jersey with the Bucks, 365 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: and they are out there going through the paces, uh, 366 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: going through routes, throwing the football around. And to me, 367 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: I would love for you to talk on this because 368 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: you have the experience on the playing side as well 369 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: as the personnel side. But these guys who go home 370 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: and have their groups that they work out with, like 371 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: I see Drew Brees, I would see Drew Brees down 372 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: in San Diego, or my son would work out and 373 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: Drew would be out there throwing to zach Ertz and 374 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: different guys, and then you know, eventually the Saints guys 375 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: will come out there and throw with him. But there's 376 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: a difference between trying to stay sharp and get some 377 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: throws in, run some routes, get some work in versus 378 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: having your guys out there working on timing, anticipation, getting 379 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: a feel for them. That's a whole different level that 380 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: tom Brady's got the bucks right now. Oh, let's be honest, 381 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: the Tampa by buccaneers that have an O. T A 382 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: s with their skill guys. When a few weeks ago, 383 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: tom Brady um got the playbook from buying left which 384 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: after he went to the wrong house, tom Brady soaked 385 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: into playbook. And he's now working with his teammates to 386 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: make sure that they're on the same page and running routes, 387 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: understanding exactly how he likes to throw it. He is 388 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: getting into on where his guys like to catch the ball. 389 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: They're understanding the nuances of this offense, whether they're teaching 390 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: him or he's teaching them. And what's you're hoping. And 391 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: what you may see is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers hit 392 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: the ground running when they get together. And I think 393 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 1: the big investment for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers was not 394 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: necessarily in Tom brady skill set, but his mind and 395 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: the culture that he brings as kind of like the 396 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: ultimate leader of a team. Tom Brady is raising the 397 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: level of expectation. He's raising the standard of performance, the 398 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: standard of preparation. Those are things that Bruce Arians can't 399 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: even do. Because ultimately, the best teams are led by 400 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: their best players. Tom Brady is the best player, we 401 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: will say, the best player on the team, the hardest worker. 402 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: He is getting guys to work to his level. I 403 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: think ultimately the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to benefit 404 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: from it. Yeah, and you think about I mean, I 405 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: think Drew Brees has been what he's been in New 406 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: Orleans fourteen fifteen years running that offense. You look at 407 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, He's gotta have been in Atlanta for about 408 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: twelve years with the same guys, and him and Huli 409 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: have been together for a long time. So I know, Carolina, 410 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: we've talked about them previously. I mean, that's a whole 411 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: turn over there with all new players, new coaching staff. 412 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: But if if you're Tom Brady as competitive as he is, 413 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: and you know you've got Drew Brees, you've got Matt 414 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: Ryan in that division and those guys, the familiarity they 415 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: have with one another, with a coaching staff as well 416 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: as the players, like you're playing catch up and to 417 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: sit back on zoom calls. I don't think Tom Brady's 418 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: wired that way to say, Okay, this is what I 419 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: gotta do. I gotta do. I'll just be patient, sit 420 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: and wait Na. That ain't him, No, And I think 421 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: for Tom Brady, um as he looks around, he look 422 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: he's super competitive. He obviously looks at the landscape, the 423 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: quarterback landscape in the division. He understands what Matt Ryan has, 424 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: He understands what Drew Brees has. He also understand the 425 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: point that you brought it there was really good. The 426 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: stability and continuity that those guys have and being in 427 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: their systems. So the only way that he can close 428 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: the gap, I have to outwork them, tom Brady is saying, 429 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: we have to outwork them to get on the same page. 430 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: We have to develop years, maybe a decade worth of 431 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: chemistry and continuity. We gotta do it this offseason, and 432 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: regardless of whether everyone else is virtual O t A 433 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: in war doing all their things individually, we have to 434 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: get together and work. I look, I tipped my hat 435 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: to him. I tipped my hat to those other guys 436 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: for understanding what is expected with Tom Brady on board. 437 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna be interesting to watch the 438 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now, I was looking at that those pictures, 439 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: and one of the guys who's kind of forgotten in 440 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: there was O. J. Howard, And I know there was 441 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: talk about O J. Howard potentially getting traded. Um Now 442 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: they brought in Rob Gronkowski, They've got Cameron brad um Buck. 443 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: The more I just kind of think about this with 444 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: this team going forward in a way to kind of 445 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: protect Tom Brady both physically and then to just kind 446 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: of save him and get him through the season. As 447 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: somebody who's getting a little bit older, a lot older, 448 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: I should say, Man, I think about twelve and thirteen personnel. 449 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: I know you've got the big wide receivers, but I'd 450 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: be playing with a lot of two tight ends and 451 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: I'd be sprinkling in some three tight end looks as well. 452 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: You know what's funny about this is so uh I 453 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: wrote about this maybe last week or two weeks ago. 454 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: Um the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Bruce Arey Ends. Last 455 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: year they only ran twelve personnel on about twenty of 456 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: their snaps, which is ridiculously low considering they had O. J. 457 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: Howard and Cameron Braid. Well, then when you add in 458 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski, there's no reason why this team shouldn't operate 459 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: about fifty percent of the time and twelve personnel. When 460 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: you look at their roster, they don't have a natural 461 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: slot receiver. So rather than put what I would say 462 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: is an inferior player on the field, put your best 463 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: players on the field. If I'm looking at their roster, 464 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: the best players should probably be too wide receivers. God 465 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: went in Evans and then two tight ends. Any combination 466 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: of those, uh tight ends Gronkowski, Howard, Gronkowski, Braid, Howard Break, 467 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: whatever that combination is, that's the combination that should be 468 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: on the field the majority of the time. And also 469 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: by putting the tight ends on the field, it gives 470 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: Tom Brady the advantage of being able to utilize what 471 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: I would call the running game and God, I wish 472 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: I had had the stats. But Jamis Winston off play 473 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: action was off the charts, Off the charts. He only 474 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: had two interceptions of his thirty interceptions, only two of 475 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: those off play action. I want to say he had 476 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: maybe fourteen touchdowns offer play action and completed about six 477 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: percent in the passes. Well, I mean I'm not. Well, yeah, 478 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: if I'm Tom Brady, like, that's what they should be 479 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: doing with Tom Brady, the holes are going to open up. 480 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: It's going to make it easier for everyone to have 481 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: these explosive chunk plays. That's the way that I think 482 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: the Tampa Buccaneers should play, and that's without a dominant 483 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: running back behind him. Use the thread of the play 484 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: action in the running game to create these big play opportunities. Yeah, 485 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: I agree with you. It's gonna be fun, man, It's 486 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: gonna be a fun division. I think we've both been 487 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: talking so much about the NFC West, about how intrigued 488 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: we are with how that division is gonna shape out, 489 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: But this is right there with it. I mean, when 490 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: you look at the NFC South and how this race 491 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: is gonna go down with the veteran quarterbacks, you've got 492 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: to kind of rebuild taking place in Carolina. But I 493 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: would say, man, I would feels like the other three 494 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: teams in that division are all chips in, Like this 495 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: is our time, our window is shrinking. We need to 496 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: win right now? Yeah, I mean I think it's right now. 497 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: You have Tampa Bay, who made the major investment to 498 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: get in Tom Brady. You have the Atlanta Falcons who 499 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: have eleven first rounders potentially end their starting lineup. And 500 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: then you have New Orleans bringing back Drew Brees and 501 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: his normal cast of characters, but adding Emmanuel Sanders to 502 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: the mix. Look, I mean it fireworks all over the 503 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: place in the NFC South. It will be interesting to 504 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: see how this plays out. Wants to get the plane, 505 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: no doubt. Um, all right, I want to get to this. Uh. 506 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: Scouting Live games and practices. Again, this is from my 507 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: my mentor and buddy, Phil Savage, who's as detailed as 508 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: it gets when it comes to Scouts, has mentored a 509 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the top evaluators in the NFL. 510 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: Several general managers really learned under Phil Savage. And so 511 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: this is this is from again from two thousand three, 512 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: from a Scout school. We used to do this with 513 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. Every scout UH would have to make 514 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: a presentation to the group. We would all get handouts, 515 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: take notes, and it was something where we could all 516 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: kind of learn from one another and grow. So this 517 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: was UM I believe this is Phil's report or his 518 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: presentation from two thousand three. UM. So he talks about 519 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: going to games. First, Okay, Buck, you're gonna go to 520 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: a game and you're gonna go scout a game. So 521 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: this is something if you're an aspiring scout or somebody 522 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: that's interested in this. We talk about getting on game Pass, 523 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: which is free uh NFL dot com slash game Pass. 524 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: You can watch the NFL tape the All twenty two 525 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: and learn that way. Well, there's also an opportunity for 526 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: you to go to games. When college games open back 527 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: up and you want to go a chance, you get 528 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: a chance to go watch them. You can go do 529 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: on your own little scouting trip. Here. So here's what 530 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: you need to do. The gear. This is what you 531 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: need to bring. UH. Start with your your credential and 532 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: your parking pass. Hopefully you've got a press credential. UM 533 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: scouts are able to get those press credentials um binoculars 534 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: radio because you'll put your radio in, put your a 535 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: little ear butt in and you can listen to the 536 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: home radio call because you'll learn some things. They have 537 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: insight into that team having been around him all the time. 538 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 1: You'll get some background information on some players that you 539 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: can shot down a couple of notes while you're listening 540 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: to the radio call, watching the game, stop watch which 541 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: you can use for for you know, touch to toe 542 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: hang time for the specialists. You gotta have your notepad obviously, 543 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: um this is back in two thousand three said you 544 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: have to bring a recorder because if you can't write down, 545 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: if you're going to go down on the field and 546 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: you can't write anything down, you can at least record 547 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: voice memos because of the rain. Obviously, everybody has it 548 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: on our phone now so it's a lot easier. UH 549 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: pens pencils or pens um. And then you'd have the 550 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: your list of players that you're scouting for your team. 551 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: So if you're a West area scout and let's say 552 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: Ohio States playing USC, you're responsible for the USC players, 553 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: so you would have your list of the USC prospects. 554 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: But then you would also have the who the prospects 555 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: were on the other team, because once you finished the fall, 556 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: once you got the cross checks buck, you would get 557 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: assigned teams that you would have seen outside your area, 558 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: so you'd have at least your body types and you 559 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: have a little bit of look at some of those guys. Yeah, 560 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: it's funny and looking at this this list, I'm I'm 561 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: making notes the one area wherever these struggle. DJ. I 562 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: never could use binoculars when I was scouting, Like for 563 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: whatever reason, it never really was a thing that I 564 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: was really comfortable like whatever. I kind of like to 565 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: see the entire field. The radio makes sense, um, because 566 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: I've learned that. Even I like watching TV copy of 567 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: games because you know, and I know being on this side, 568 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: there's a production meeting. In that production meeting, UH, coaches 569 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: give the TV analysts of insight that gives them perspective 570 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: on what they say during the telecast. So I like 571 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: hearing that stop watch the special team stuff being able 572 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: to do it the notepad. It's funny that you bring 573 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: up the notepad because if you have a number of players, 574 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: I would have almost like a design flip card, where 575 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: if I have six guys on USC's offense to watch 576 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: why receiver running back offensive line. I would have them 577 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: in little boxes, so rather than having to make individual 578 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: notes all over the place, it's all right there and 579 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: I can quickly make a little note or nugget. And 580 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: the recorder. The recorder is a game changer on your 581 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: phone because when you use a recorder, your eyes never 582 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: have to leave the field. I had an old scout 583 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: tell me that very early. A think about using your 584 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: voice recorder so your eyes never need to leave. You 585 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: can always look at what's going on and just make 586 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: those notes. And then when you get back to your 587 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: hotel room, then you can kind of transcribe the notes 588 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: from your memo to the notebook, no doubt. UM, that's 589 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: a great call on on using the recorder. And you 590 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: get back, you've got plenty of time in the hotel 591 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: room to knock that stuff out. UM. Alright, pregame arrival time. 592 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: You want to get there about two hours before kickoff. 593 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: Get a chance to visit with coaches. UM. Sometimes you 594 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: can visit with them the night before. If you're the 595 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: away team, you can find out Sometimes you find out 596 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: what hotel they're staying at. UM, you can either stay 597 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: in that hotel or just just get over there and 598 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: know they might have a little bit of a window 599 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: there to meet with you. So you get a chance 600 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: to visit with maybe the away coaches the night before 601 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: the game, visit with some of the home coaches on 602 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: the field. Actually, coach is gonna be very relaxed before 603 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: the players come out in the field. You can get 604 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: some good information there. Um you know, look at the 605 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: depth charts UH and any add ons. You're looking for 606 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: any uh senior starters, so if they're gonna be draft eligible. 607 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: Obviously the seniors are all draft eligible, So any senior starter, 608 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: even if he wasn't given to you as a prospect, 609 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: if you're at a Power five school and you're starting, 610 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna be responsible to put in a report on 611 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: that player. So keeping an eye on that. You can 612 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: read through the press release for any additional information. They 613 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: might have their UM go down to the field before 614 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: the game, Buck and as the players come out, we'd 615 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: be doing we body type them, so you'd look at 616 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: their their bodies, what do they look like so you 617 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: can describe it in your report. And I always did 618 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: it really you can get descriptive with the terms. But 619 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: then I did a number system where I just did 620 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, we used the three through seven, which was 621 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: five is average, six above average, seven is excellent, four 622 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: below average, three pour So really just a three to 623 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: seven scale that we used, um and I think it 624 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: was three to seven just because you five was just 625 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: an average, you know, so you could have that as 626 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: an average. I would look at it. I'd give their 627 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: lower body a grade, their upper body a grade, and 628 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: then overall, so body type. If the guy was a 629 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: seven seven seven body type like he was with Christine, 630 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: beautiful body type. But you get down the field because 631 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: you've got to get a chance to look at these guys, 632 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: because you can't see that on the tape. You might 633 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: see a guy's just he doesn't he doesn't carry his 634 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: weight well, or uh, somebody looks a little bit better 635 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: than you thought. Then you're looking at specific skills, you know, quarterbacks. 636 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: You might be watching a team, especially with the college 637 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: game now where you see so many bubble screens and 638 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: you don't get a chance to see him really power 639 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: the ball. Some of these whole shots well in warmups 640 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: usually they'll run through such a variety of routes. You 641 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: get a chance to watch quarterbacks throw live. You get 642 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: a chance to see what kind of juice, what kind 643 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: of velocity they can generate, as well as how accurate 644 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: they are on some of those. It's just in phil 645 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: Rope down here, it's it's taking a snapshot. It's not 646 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: the be all end all in terms of an evaluation 647 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: and warm up, but you gotta feel, you know, you 648 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: can go down there watch dbs go through their change 649 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: of direction drills. You gotta feel as he loose, as 650 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: he fluid, as he tight um, you can get some 651 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: things out of that warm up. Yeah, it's funny. Man, 652 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: A lot to unpack right there. Uh. One thing, and 653 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: I think all scouts should understand this. If there's a 654 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: top quarterback in your area, you have to see him live. 655 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: It is mandatory that you go see him live, that 656 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: you go watch him play in the game. The reason 657 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 1: why you want to get a chance to see him 658 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: play live is you want to do a skills assessment. 659 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: You want to get a true field for the velocity 660 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: on his throws, what throws he makes. Some of that 661 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: is um you get from watch him in pre game. 662 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: Hey can you throw the deep out? Can you throw 663 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: things that he may not throw in the game. You 664 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: also want to see how he interacts with his teammates. 665 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: I want to get a sense of what is his 666 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: pregame routine. Like having been around great quarterbacks, they all 667 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: are very meticulous and detailed about how they go about 668 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: getting themselves ready to play. So I want to check 669 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: that out. When you're talking about like DBS and other guys, 670 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: I just kinda see, like to see how guys go 671 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: through their work in pre game. With DBS, I want 672 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: to see how fluid and quick are they tight with 673 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to their back pedal change of direction 674 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: when they move around. Uh, do their approach pre game 675 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: with a level of serious seriousness or are they kind 676 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: of Joe cool where everything is kind of too cool 677 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: for school. They don't really pay attention and they're gonna 678 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: turn it on on game day. It doesn't really mean 679 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: a lot, but for me, as I'm trying to really 680 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: learn the player, I'm just kind of note everything that 681 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: they do, trying to get a feel for Okay, this 682 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: is how he came out was early. He was the 683 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: first one on the field. I saw him go through 684 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: this very intricate routine to get ready to play, and 685 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: then he played well for me. It Okay, his preparation 686 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: really really carries over and I just kind of want 687 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: to know everything that I can get from him based 688 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: on how he goes about his warmer process. Yeah, to me, 689 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: you can learn, there's things to learn. Everything is an opportunity, 690 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: which again i'll get I'll get off the soapbox here, 691 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: but just real quick. But that's why I don't understand 692 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: when people say, um, I'm not gonna go to his 693 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: protect because we're just gonna do a private workout with him. Well, 694 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: if I'm getting ready to spend millions of dollars on 695 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: a player, any extra exposure I can get to them 696 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: in their environment, especially around their teammates, to to study 697 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: him and see how he acts with those guys, I'm 698 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: gonna take advantage of it. I'm gonna get my private 699 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: workout as well, so we can see how he does 700 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: in our system and what we would ask him to do. 701 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: But why would you turn down a free opportunity to 702 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: be around these guys I got. I read a leadership 703 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: book and it talked about the hiring process and it 704 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: was studying different companies and I remember what this book was, 705 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,239 Speaker 1: but it talked about the success rate of of of 706 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: guys sticking and not having to replace them in a 707 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: in a short period of time was directly correlated to 708 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: how many how many points of contact they had with 709 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: him before they hired him. So you get you get 710 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: to know somebody better think about just like any relationship, 711 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: if you'd be around somebody twelve times instead of two times, 712 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna know what you're getting. Man, it's funny. I 713 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: have a great story about that years ago, going to 714 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: prod L s U. This is when Jamal Adams was 715 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: only a freshman, but I knew him from the Nike 716 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: two or whatever, and there was a top corner that 717 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: was coming out that year and being able to not 718 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: only watch him, but to ask them all, hey man, 719 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: what do you know about this guy? Uh? Coach, he's 720 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: not it, he's out to one. And he was talking 721 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: about a player who ultimately was drafted around the second 722 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: round but never really played at the level. It was 723 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: out the league shortly thereafter. And so not only do 724 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: you want to go to see guys every opportunity, but 725 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: you want to be able to see how their teammates 726 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: interact with them and maybe they can give you some 727 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: more intel and background on what the player is and 728 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: what it could be when you bring him in no doubt. 729 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: This is again this the last notes. Think again now 730 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: this is two thousand three. During this time frame, a 731 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: lot of times you would go watch the tape at 732 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: the school on a player and then you would go 733 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: to a live game. Well, that live game tape, you 734 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: might not get access to that tape for five weeks, 735 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: like there would be that type of a lag before 736 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: that would get in the system. So there was more 737 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: importance on getting this information because you couldn't get the 738 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: tape right away. Now I think a little bit of 739 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: that's changed some of the importance. I think now going 740 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: to live games, to me is more about seeing guys 741 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: how they move, seeing them in their environment, getting information. 742 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: I think that was more of the you know, more 743 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: of what we get out of it right now. But 744 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: think back to that time. You know, Phil broke it 745 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: down from the first half of the second half. In 746 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: the first half, you get a general field for the game, 747 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: looking for one on one matchups by down in distance. 748 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: So if it's first and ten, you might watch the 749 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman because you're gonna see how they do. 750 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: It could be a run down there. Um, you're getting 751 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: third and eight you can focus your attention more on 752 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: the corner wide receiver matchup, UM, what those guys are doing. 753 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: Second half, at halftime, This was always helpful for me. 754 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: I would have my notes, so i'd have so you 755 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: have eight prospects at a school, UM, and you'd get 756 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: to halftime. I would look and say, okay, man, I've 757 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,479 Speaker 1: got a lot of information. I feel pretty good about 758 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: how this guy moves and how they use him and 759 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: what they do with him. But this other guy, man, 760 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: I don't have anything on him. So you fill in 761 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: the gaps in the second half for guys you didn't 762 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: get a chance to to get a good feel for 763 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: in the first half. UM. As you go through that, 764 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: and then the post game, UM, listen to the press 765 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: conference with the top players, you know, after a tough loss, 766 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: after a big win, you get a little bit of 767 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: a feel for their personality. UM, and then kind of 768 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, look over the stats and then off you go. 769 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: But that was kind of the uh, the way you 770 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: would scout a live, live game, Buck. But again, I 771 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: think now with the ability to get to the tape 772 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: right away and to be able to sort the tape, 773 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: the other thing you used to have to do, and 774 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: you have to find out where these guys were on 775 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: special teams because you don't want to have to go 776 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: climbing through all the special teams tape and be like, 777 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: I don't know this guy play on teams or not. 778 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: That could take a long time. It's a needle in 779 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: a haystack trying to find some of these guys. Now, 780 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: with the technology, I can type in the player's name 781 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: into the computer. You know, punt, you know, kickoff, returns, boom, 782 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: It'll populate just the snaps he played in those situations. 783 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: So it's a lot easier. Now, Yeah, it is a 784 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: lot easier. Um, I'm an go back to a couple 785 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: of things that points that you made. The one on 786 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: one matchups are absolutely critical and a lot of times 787 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: when I'm picking a game, I'm picking a game with 788 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: those matchups in mind. So if I am going to see, um, 789 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: let's just say, like Trevor Lawrence next year, I want 790 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: to see Trevor Lawrence play against the best defense that 791 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: I can see in that area, whoever that is. I 792 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: want to see him playing in the best game game 793 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 1: so I can see him play against the best because 794 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: I want to see how he reacts in responds to 795 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: either high end pass rusher I had level corner, whatever 796 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: that is. I also want to dig down and see 797 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: how do guys bounce back from poor plays. I worry 798 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: a little bit how they play, but more so I'm 799 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: looking for a what's that resilient moment? What do they 800 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: look like? If my top corner gives up a big 801 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: play early in the game, how does he play the 802 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: rest of the game. If he's been a guy that 803 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: has always been a bump and run corner, does he 804 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: back off and play off coverage the rest of the 805 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: game because he gave up one, or does he go 806 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: right back and do exactly what he's done? And all 807 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: of those games. I just think when you go to games, 808 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: there's so much that you can find and glean from 809 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: watching guys play in person that I don't know why 810 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: guys would turn down the opportunity to go to a 811 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: game where you can really feel and since how a 812 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: player is and does he leave an impact on the game? Yeah, 813 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot you can gain from that 814 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: in terms of the personality of the player. It's not 815 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: just the perform but it's the personality that comes out 816 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: when you're around him in that live game setting at 817 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: the practice buck. Just real quick, here, you're looking at 818 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: the body types which we talked about. You do the 819 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: same thing to practice work, habits, attitude, coach ability. Those 820 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: things you can pick up on the practice field, critical 821 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: factors and position specifics, things that you might not have 822 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: seen in the tapes. Now, let me give you an 823 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: example of how analytics can work together with traditional scouting. 824 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: So we can look at a player like josh Kelly, right, 825 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly, running back from U c l A who 826 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: got picked by the Chargers. Now, we saw Josh Kelly 827 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl do a really nice job in 828 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: uh in one on ones and pass in past protection 829 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: as well as running routes. We didn't get to see 830 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: him do a lot of that at U c l A. 831 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: Let's let's say he gets nicked up and doesn't play 832 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: in the Senior Bowl. You can be in the in 833 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: the draft room, right, and you have your analytics people, 834 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 1: and you have your scouts, and you can have analytics people, 835 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: which to me is a great It's a great opportunity 836 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: for them to say, hey, the red flag, this kid 837 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: does not have a lot of catch. Production are running 838 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: backs have to be productive in the passing game, where 839 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 1: they lose tremendous amount of value. And then the scout 840 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: who was in the school can say, listen, I went 841 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: to the school. I talked to the coaches. They had 842 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: such a heavy workload on him. They wanted to give 843 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: him a breather. But I've seen this kid practice over 844 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: the last three years and in practice. I've seen him 845 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: in one on one's past block. I've seen him in 846 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: one on one's run routes. This kid has natural hands. 847 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: He can separate. He's got a good feel for it. 848 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: You didn't see it show up in games because they 849 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: didn't ask him to do it, But he can do that. 850 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: Just as the same you could look at a corner 851 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: and say, man, he doesn't I don't know if this 852 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: guy can play the ball. He doesn't get challenged much. 853 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: He had a big reputation that the other corner stinks, 854 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: so he gets all the action. I don't know if 855 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: this guy can play the ball. Well, the scout can 856 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: say I watched him and one on ones every every 857 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, multiple times over his career. This guy can 858 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: find and play the ball. Or maybe this guy can't 859 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: find and play the ball. But that's how to meet. 860 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: Analytics and scouting can kind of work together. Yeah, they 861 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: can't work together like that. And I've always believed that 862 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: the front office that is able to mild high end 863 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: analytics with great film studiers, great what I call scouts, 864 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: they'll be the ones that go to the next level. 865 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: Because all and analytics do, they give you information, They 866 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: provide information, and then if you have a scout who 867 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: can provide context, then you can paint the total picture. 868 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: It is also um important when you talk about the 869 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: area scout. The area scout has the obligation to make 870 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: sure that he not only knows the class that's coming out, 871 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: but that he begins to understand who's coming down the pipeline. 872 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: So when you talk about maybe a Joshua Kelly, Josh 873 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: Kelly isn't really a great example. But let's say Josh 874 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: Kelly was I got to spend his entire career at 875 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: u c l A. Well, if I've gone to that 876 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: school and I've seen him start, I noticed him in 877 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: the practice field, I now have three years of intel 878 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: on Hey, I've seen this guy progress each and every year. 879 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: When he first got there, he couldn't really catch the ball, well, 880 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,240 Speaker 1: but I've seen him from his sophomore to his junior 881 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: year really improve. And when you watch him in practice 882 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: he catches the ball with the wide receivers off the 883 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: just machine, you can give that context that that just 884 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: adds more flavor to the report and the evaluation. Yeah, 885 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: and again, the last thing I would add on that 886 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: is it's another example two of how relationships can be 887 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: so advantageous in the personnel community. Because I can give 888 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: you an example, Um gosh, I want to say it 889 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: was Brocker's. It might have been Brocker's, or maybe it 890 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: was one of It was one of those defensive tackles 891 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: who did not have a ton of sack production, right, 892 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: So I believe it was. It would have been Brocker 893 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: to somebody else, But he came off the field in 894 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: a lot of subsituations because they had a good group 895 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: um and so he didn't get an opportunity to rush 896 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: as much. While our defensive line coach had a great 897 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 1: uh relationship with the defensive line coach of the college, 898 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: so they gave us access to watch all of his 899 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: one on one pass rush for like the whole season 900 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: at that school. So we got a chance to watch 901 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: rep after rep after rep of this guy rush in 902 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: the pastor and like, Okay, this guy's got some tools. 903 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: He needs to be cleaned up a little bit. But 904 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: there's there's something there. And again I don't remember this 905 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: was Brocker's or somebody else, but it was. It was 906 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: a defensive lineman who didn't have a lot of production 907 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: and didn't have a lot of opportunity. But when you 908 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: have that relationship to get that access to that information. Again, 909 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: analytics asked the right questions. That that what leads you 910 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: to the right questions. And then it's about the scouting 911 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: side being able to provide the right answers. And that's 912 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: how you can get to a good evaluation. Man, that's 913 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: what it is. It's using everyone in the building to 914 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: come to the right thing. And so it's not analytics 915 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: versus traditional scouting. Is that plus this traditional scouting, that's 916 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 1: how you get the best answers. So you should use 917 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: it and there's a way to use it. I think 918 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: we just have to be for thinking when it comes 919 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: to it. No doubt, that was fun. We got to 920 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: nerd out a little bit there. I don't know. I 921 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: know a lot of people are interested in the scouting 922 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: stuff and know some other people just want the NFL 923 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: or the college information. So apologies, but you can tell 924 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: we get we get kind of worked up and get 925 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: excited when we talk about the old scouting stuff. B 926 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 1: Yeah know it always works, man. I think we're always learning. 927 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: We always want to be better or at a US 928 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to being evaluators. But the other thing 929 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: that you and I have talked about, we want to 930 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: pay it for. We want the next generation of Scouts 931 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: to have what we have been given because we've been 932 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: around great evaluators. Hall of Fame, love evaluator, So you 933 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: want to pass on some of the information that you've 934 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: been given. No, now the uh um, the discussions are 935 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: always fun on here. I hope you guys enjoy it, 936 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: and I know we get a lot of feedback from 937 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: buddies around the league and and hopefully they got to 938 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: kick out of that. I do want to wind everybody 939 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: NFL Network six pm Eastern Thursday. That's where you can 940 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: catch the move the six TV show. Um, do want 941 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: to encourage you again on the Scout School. We talked 942 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: about this on the last TV show. Put something out 943 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: on on Twitter. Will probably repost again, but if you 944 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: can do a little Scout school here, do a little 945 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: scouting report. You've got game pass for free NFL dot 946 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: com Slash game Pass. Take your phone out, find some 947 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: find a player you want to study. And then and 948 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: then let's let's learn a little bit. We can learn 949 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: from you, just as you can learn from us. Take 950 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: your phone out, video the screen, a little bit of 951 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: a couple of plays or one play, ideally about thirty seconds, 952 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: um and and give us a little take on this guy. 953 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: Give us a little scouting report, and we're gonna take 954 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 1: one of those videos. We're gonna air it on the 955 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: show on Thursday night, six Eastern on NFL Network. So 956 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: hashtag Scout School. You can tag Buck here, myself at 957 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks at Move the Sticks, hashtag Scout School, and 958 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: we'll see if we can't get you on there again. 959 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: We have a little bit of that. A little bit 960 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: more that John Smolt's interview will be on the TV show. 961 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 1: The entire interview will be on Friday's podcasts. You can 962 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: download the podcast Apple podcast or your favorite podcast app 963 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: and check out the videos NFL dot com Slash Empts 964 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: video or YouTube dot com slash NFL podcast, anything else. 965 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: Before we get out of here. Buck. No, that's great man. 966 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: Just make sure you tune in on Thursday. Like the 967 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: TV show, the debut was solid, but I think we're 968 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: just gonna continue to get bet and bet and when 969 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: it comes to this stuff, yeah again, thanks to all 970 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: the guys behind the scenes making this thing happen. That's 971 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today. Thank you guys so 972 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: much for listening. We'll catch you next time. Right here on. 973 00:43:51,080 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: Move the sticks for wanting you have got before to move. 974 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 1: U