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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 1: straight Fire fan, It's means Jason McIntyre Straight Fire for Wednesday, January.

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Speaker 1: We have a great guest on the podcast today. He

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Speaker 1: is a former NFL agent and he knows the salary

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Speaker 1: cap and contracts as well as anybody out there. He

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Speaker 1: writes for CBS Sports Joe Corey. I grill him on

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Speaker 1: the odds of Aaron Rodgers retiring or being traded. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna like the answers if you want

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers somewhere else. We cover Matt Stafford's. By the way,

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Speaker 1: some of you did not like my Matt Stafford to

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Speaker 1: the Jets stake. I'm gonna be honest with you. McVeigh

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Speaker 1: came out yesterday and was like, hey, yeah, if my

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Speaker 1: uh staff wants to go out and get jobs, go

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Speaker 1: for it. His offensive coordinator announced he's going back to

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Speaker 1: Kentucky became official. I'm just saying the Rams have the

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Speaker 1: feel of a quick tear down. Okay, they won the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, A bunch of guys got hurt, and now

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Speaker 1: you've got your core group of stars and then not

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Speaker 1: much behind that. I mean, listen, I'm not bagging on

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Speaker 1: these guys, but Aaron Donald injured, Cooper Cup injured, Jalen

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Speaker 1: Ramsey probably the worst season of his career. All of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you look at this core and you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh man, Stafford is Staffords thirty four, dang Cooper Cup

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Speaker 1: twenty nine. I mean Scooper Cups got several good years

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Speaker 1: left y Allen Robinson experiment. Experience was an absolute debacle.

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Speaker 1: And then on the defensive side, you're like, oh, let's

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Speaker 1: see what we got here. We got uh oh ar Donald, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thirty one, demanded a lot of money. Okay, Leonard Floyd

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Speaker 1: pretty good, he's thirty. Jalen Ramsey, you know, cornerbacks kind

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Speaker 1: good years left. The idea of a teardown is not

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Speaker 1: that unfa the mobile, and I know that people do

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Speaker 1: not like the idea of good teams quickly unloading all

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Speaker 1: the stars. Everybody bought Stafford and Cup jerseys and Aaron

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Speaker 1: Donald and they were It felt like the parade happened

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Speaker 1: six months ago. And the reality is there's no point

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Speaker 1: the top or you gotta bottom out, and I think

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Speaker 1: the Rams unless need get that, and if McVeigh makes

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Speaker 1: Stafford gone. And then it's like, well, what are we

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Speaker 1: What are we holding on to Cooper cup for? What

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Speaker 1: are we holding on to Donald and Ramsey? If we

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Speaker 1: trade those guys, we get picks, we are probably going

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Speaker 1: to be picking first, second, or third in the upcoming draft,

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Speaker 1: and we can get Caleb Williams and reboot quickly on

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Speaker 1: the fly and build around a rookie quarterback. That is

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Speaker 1: the strategy, that is the move. That's how McVeigh got

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Speaker 1: to his first super Bowl. By the way, with the Rams,

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Speaker 1: remember Jared Goff was on the rookie deal. They get

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, then they gotta pay golf. Then

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Speaker 1: they realized he's not our guy. Let's get Stafford and

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Speaker 1: they were able to pull it off at any rate.

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Speaker 1: Joe Corey, we dived deep into all things Stafford to

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson situation, which I don't know, guys, this franchise tag.

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Speaker 1: How many more years Lamar got in Baltimore? Still no

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Speaker 1: sign of him at practice. We talked about Derek Carr,

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Speaker 1: Stafford Garoppolo, Brady, all the quarterbacks are interesting. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a really fun off season. Not a huge night

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Speaker 1: last night in sports, Donovan Mitchell returning to Utah was like,

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Speaker 1: arguably the highlight I did hit the next Michigan State bet.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to everybody on Instagram stories who saw it. No,

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Speaker 1: by the way, yes, my Instagram has been lit up

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Speaker 1: by Seattle Seahawks fans. Thank you for the new followers

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Speaker 1: all my friends in Seattle. I went to Seattle once

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Speaker 1: we had I think it was right after graduating high school.

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Speaker 1: I haven't been back since, but I have met some

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Speaker 1: Where my neighbors has actually just moved here from Seattle

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Speaker 1: drop this. If you are an eagle eared listener to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I spoke within the last two weeks about

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Speaker 1: a big move, Nickox, that was gonna make soccer team

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Speaker 1: I own in Legua, m X. I'm not the only owner,

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Speaker 1: just a minority owner. But it's fun. We lost our opener, yes,

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Speaker 1: I watched it. Uh some tense moments. We lost three two,

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Speaker 1: very disappointing showing on the defensive end. Will be better

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Speaker 1: at any rate. I said that we were going to

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Speaker 1: be bringing on a new investor into the fold who

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Speaker 1: was an NFL football player and a big name that

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Speaker 1: everybody knew, and they announced it yesterday. His name Odell Beckham.

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Speaker 1: Welcome aboard Odell. Maybe now he'll unblock me on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: And I g for when I kind of hammered him

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Speaker 1: when he was with the Giants and I said, you

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Speaker 1: gotta trade him, you gotta trade him, you gotta trade

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Speaker 1: him in Giants fans hated me, and then they traded him,

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Speaker 1: and they were like, oh, Jason, okay, you were right,

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Speaker 1: got it. But Odell did not want to hear that

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Speaker 1: at any rate. Hopefully I will see him at a

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Speaker 1: Let's get to our guest, Joel Corey of CBS Sports.

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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes

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Speaker 1: to sports. I know what sports dance want, but for

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Speaker 1: everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does. Let's

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Speaker 1: just say I know a guy who knows a guy

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Speaker 1: who knows another guy. All right, let's welcome into straight

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Speaker 1: fire a guy you know, former NFL agent. He is

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Speaker 1: the salary cap guru. So it's fun to, you know,

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Speaker 1: speculate about where players may go, who's gonna get cut,

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Speaker 1: all this fun stuff. I see. The latest one is

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Speaker 1: now people are piggybacking on who we've been talking about

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Speaker 1: for a while, DeAndre Hopkins. So I figured we'd bring

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Speaker 1: in a voice of reason, someone who is well versed

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Speaker 1: in the contracts. Joel Corey, CBS Sports. Joel, how you doing, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great? How I'm excellent? Life is good, and

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Speaker 1: the NFL regular season is over. And the beauty of it,

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Speaker 1: Joel is it looks like we could be in line

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Speaker 1: you're gonna actually move, but I mean, Joel, let's start

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. He walks off the field for the

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Speaker 1: a weird vibe around it. Mike Tarico made some comments

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Speaker 1: much drama. Putting that aside, um, he's got fifty nine

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Speaker 1: Bay regardless, it's it's tough that you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: says I'm gonna step away from football coaching for a minute.

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Speaker 1: And then you remember that Matt Stafford only went to

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Speaker 1: the Rams for McVeigh. And if you are the Rams,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Joel you would agree with me.

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Speaker 1: Even with all their guys healthy, they don't really have

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Speaker 1: a great team. The offensive line has fallen apart. They've

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Speaker 1: got a couple of awesome players and then a lot

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Speaker 1: of very not good guys. Let's say McVeigh leaves and

434
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Speaker 1: they say to Stafford could go south exactly from this,

435
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Speaker 1: from the standpoint that if he's gone to the broadcast boo,

436
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Speaker 1: when he comes the new dick for Meal, because Vermeal

437
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: burned out early and then went in to broadcast booth,

438
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Speaker 1: for a long time, then came back to coach Aaron

439
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Speaker 1: Is Aaron Donald gonna retire? I mean, well the Lands

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Speaker 1: remember the Rams have? Yeah, I have no pitch And

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Speaker 1: if Aaron Donald's like I'm out, you could pick up

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Speaker 1: the picks. Yeah, you could trade. You could trade Stafford Donald,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, maybe keep Cooper Cup. But you could bottom

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Speaker 1: out and make a play for Kayleb Williams. In two

445
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Speaker 1: thousand twenty four, you got the Super Bowl? Hey, you

446
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: know what? Or Drake Maye Drake not bad. There's gonna

447
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Speaker 1: be some teams in the mix. But that's an option

448
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Speaker 1: that seems like a new one. Problem with strat with Stafford,

449
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Speaker 1: he says he's gonna keep playing. How bad is the net? Yeah,

450
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Speaker 1: there are questions about that, and obviously have to pass

451
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Speaker 1: a physical. I'm just hypothetically, I called up his contract here,

452
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Speaker 1: I'm look can at it. There's no outs until um Joel.

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Speaker 1: He's thirty five, He's had some injuries. We know he

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Speaker 1: could still be a clutch, big time quarterback, evidenced by

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Speaker 1: last year's Super Bowl run with the Rams. Can the

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Speaker 1: Jets make a play for Matt Stafford? They are, as

457
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Speaker 1: you said, ready made. They've got Garrett Wilson, they've got picks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would that would work too. What about financially, Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well the Rams wouldn't be stuck with the option because

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Speaker 1: if you trade him before the option exercise period ends,

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Speaker 1: then they assumed the option as well, and the seventy

462
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Speaker 1: three point five million which is guaranteed for for for

463
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Speaker 1: injury over the next three years. So uh early you

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Speaker 1: get out would be the earliest you could get out.

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Speaker 1: And now there you'd have ten million of five base guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: the uh five million dollars third days League, your roster bonus,

467
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Speaker 1: plus you'd the option bonus per ration. So you're stuck

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Speaker 1: at least two and you'd hope to get three years

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Speaker 1: out of him. But yeah, he would give them a

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Speaker 1: chance because we know he can win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: He's proven that. So I'm looking at who has the

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Speaker 1: most cap space. Number one is the Bears that you

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Speaker 1: go giants on down the list. The Jets are giants.

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Speaker 1: Cap space isn't really real. I mean, I mean it's

475
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Speaker 1: not real for this standpoint. Yeah, Daniel Jones is gonna

476
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Speaker 1: take up some portion of that. That's a guy will

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Speaker 1: get to somebody gets somebody gets franchised, either say Kwan

478
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Speaker 1: or Daniel Jones. I don't know which who they value more.

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Speaker 1: I suspect se Quan because they did open negotiations with

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Speaker 1: him um around the bye week, but did not with Jones.

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Speaker 1: So that's ten one off the top right there. Uh

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Speaker 1: for running back franchise tag didn't Presumably you're gonna resign Jones.

483
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Speaker 1: That's gonna take up some cap space. Um, you might

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Speaker 1: have more of a cap hit for dead Stir Lawrence

485
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Speaker 1: if you extend him. But yeah, they gotta go out

486
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Speaker 1: try to find some UH receivers who pose more of

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Speaker 1: a threat defensively because Kenny Golladay is gone. Yeah he's done.

488
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Speaker 1: I finally make a great catch for touchdown. Was like

489
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Speaker 1: where that come from? H? So I got going back

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Speaker 1: to the Jets so they could easily free up money.

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Speaker 1: C J. Mosley. I know he had a good season,

492
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Speaker 1: but he's taking up nine percent of their cap. He's

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Speaker 1: done that. They'll easily get off him. Uh Lake and

494
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Speaker 1: Tomlinson mediocre year. They got guys coming back. I think

495
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Speaker 1: you can move off him. So bottom line is the

496
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Speaker 1: Jets should be able to free up cap room easily

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Speaker 1: to slide Stafford in correct, Yes, But would they prefer

498
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Speaker 1: Garoppolo because they know him? It's fair. I would counter,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather I'd rather have a staff healthy staff or

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Speaker 1: he may not be healthy as well. What do you

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Speaker 1: think the asking prices from the Rams for Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: If McVeigh leaves and the Jets kind of know that, okay,

503
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Speaker 1: they're gonna tear it down, They're gonna try to unload

504
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Speaker 1: these guys. They can't pivot that quickly. They have no picks.

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Speaker 1: What do you think Stafford gets looking at what Russell

506
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Speaker 1: Wilson got last year, which was way too much, probably

507
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Speaker 1: not that much. By not that much, can you get

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Speaker 1: Stafford for a first and the fourth? I wouldn't want

509
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Speaker 1: more from the standpoint that the Jets got. Uh? Was

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Speaker 1: it the two first round picks for Jamal Adams? Remember

511
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Speaker 1: correctly they did. Yeah, but he was young Matt Stafford. Yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: but he's a safety. Yes. Sounds like Seattle is gonna

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Speaker 1: either restructure or dump Jamal Adams. Um. Yeah, well that's

514
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Speaker 1: been a questionable decision from day one one. You gave

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Speaker 1: up so much that you had to pay him, and

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Speaker 1: then you didn't pay him when you got the trade done,

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Speaker 1: so you're handed him more leverage. Yeah, so that that

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Speaker 1: that move. I don't understand giving up that compensation for

519
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Speaker 1: any safety unless he's Ranny Lie. They rebounded quickly in

520
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Speaker 1: his draft. It removed the stench of the Adams contract.

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Speaker 1: But back to the Jet So you're saying, essentially sure

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Speaker 1: they could get Stafford. It's probably more than a first

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Speaker 1: and a fourth a first choice compensation signed Jimmy Garoppolo,

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Speaker 1: and that's a good point. Signed Garoppolo or trade for Stafford.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just feel like you're upside with

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Speaker 1: staff Like Stafford's gonna provided he's healthy. But if you

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Speaker 1: don't want to give up picks, then Garo, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean Joel. My Jets have never had a franchise quarterback ever.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't Sanchez, wasn't Kenny O'Brien. Stafford is a franchise

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Speaker 1: wasn't bad. He was he was good, but he wasn't

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Speaker 1: a franchise guy. And the only problem is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo is a little younger. With Staffords, you're only getting

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Speaker 1: like two or three years. But Sauce Gardner rookie deal, um,

534
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Speaker 1: the v you got you gotta pay Quentin Willa. He

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Speaker 1: said he wants a deal before offseason program starts in

536
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Speaker 1: mid April. You keep that guy happy. He's incredible. Um So,

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Speaker 1: the only other quarterback we didn't touch on Joel was

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Speaker 1: Mr Thomas Brady. I've had him ticketed for Vegas. I've

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Speaker 1: had him ticketed for Vegas. Is there anyone else? Do

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Speaker 1: you think that even makes sense for Brady? I don't

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Speaker 1: buy this go home to New England thing. No, yeah,

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00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: no way, because if you look at the roster, it

543
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: looks worse than when he left. Well. Yeah, they make

544
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Speaker 1: the most sense, and I can't see him wanting to

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Speaker 1: stay in Tampa. Yeah, because look there eight nine right now. Yeah,

546
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Speaker 1: have you seen their defensive I think like six defensive

547
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Speaker 1: starters are free agents to be Yeah, Lavante David's thirty two,

548
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Speaker 1: Shack Barrett's coming off of an injury. So they had

549
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: their window they want. If Sean Payton goes somewhere, then

550
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: there's that whole maybe he comes back to New Orleans.

551
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I don't know about that quarterback. Yeah,

552
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: and then well that that Brady would linkol with him maybe,

553
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Raiders make the most sense from a

554
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: couple of reasons that whole um UFC Manning cast thing

555
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: with Gronkowski and Dana White where they talked about revealed

556
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: that he was gonna go there in free agency, but

557
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: Gruten put the kabash on it. Well, now Mark Davis

558
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: can get Brady. Yeah, finally, Yeah, and then maybe you

559
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Speaker 1: give Gronk to come out of retirement and that Darren

560
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: Waller contract is tradeable. Yeah, where do you think Waller

561
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Speaker 1: ends up? There was a lot of speculation about the

562
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Speaker 1: Packers that would make sense, but well not with Aaron

563
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Speaker 1: Rodgers make it that much money? Can they afford him?

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Speaker 1: In the under the cap You can always restructure contracts

565
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: and kick the can down the road, as we saw

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Speaker 1: with the Saints when the cap dropped from a point

567
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Speaker 1: two million to eighty two point five million, they had

568
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Speaker 1: to shed over a hundred million dollars and cat commitments

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Speaker 1: and somehow figured out a way to do it. If

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Speaker 1: you want to kick the can down the road, do

571
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: you figure out a way to do it? And it's

572
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: not necessarily advisable, but you can do it. Is there

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Speaker 1: any any other guy that we didn't touch on? We

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Speaker 1: had car Garoppolo, Brady Rogers, Stafford, Oh, Lamar Jackson. Let's

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Speaker 1: close up on Lamar Jackson. Joel, it doesn't sound like

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Speaker 1: he's gonna play this weekend. Um by all accounts, Baltimore

577
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: is frustrated. Listen, but Joe Mike tell here was. Adam

578
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Speaker 1: Schefter reported in December that the Bravens expect Lamar back

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Speaker 1: by December. He's on record and Schefter doesn't throw a

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Speaker 1: ton of junk against the wall. It's pretty clear that

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00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: he hasn't practiced since. I mean, it's been like there's

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Speaker 1: no upside for him if he isn't. But at played

583
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: in five weeks, but they can't. They're two and three

584
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Speaker 1: and they don't score any points. Yeaout him getting real

585
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: Kuan Smith done today leaves the franchise tag for him.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna let him walk for compenstory third round pick.

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00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: You don't stick the non exclusive franchise tag on him

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Speaker 1: because that's two first round picks, his compensation, which is

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Speaker 1: below what his trade value should be um relative to

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Speaker 1: the Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson acquisition costs. So you

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00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: stick the forty five million dollar exclusive franchise tag on him,

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Speaker 1: and if you want to try to auction him off.

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Speaker 1: At that point, you do, or you haven't play on

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Speaker 1: the tag and go from there if you don't want

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Speaker 1: to give him the fully guarantee contract he wants, which

596
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: was the big sticking point. The reports were they're willing

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Speaker 1: to pay him, make him singing as paid player in

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Speaker 1: the league, a fifty million per year, second most guarantees

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Speaker 1: in a contract, but it wasn't fully guarantee. Yeah, do

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Speaker 1: you think any so, do you think there's a scenario

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Speaker 1: We know Lamars from Florida, what would love to land

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Speaker 1: with the Dolphins he trains are in the off season.

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Speaker 1: He has liked a bunch of fan tweets that are

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Speaker 1: talking about him in the Dolphins. Probably gotta plan a

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00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: franchise tag for a year with that because unless two

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Speaker 1: is retiring, they're probably married to two for one more year?

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Speaker 1: Is there? So there's no scenario where the Ravens saying,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we're sick of this, Lamar, I know

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be here. We're trading you. Who's

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Speaker 1: their quarterback because it's not Tyler Huntley. Well that's that.

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00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: Then you've got to dip into do they take a

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Speaker 1: chance on to h I I don't think that makes

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Speaker 1: a ton of sense. I'm if I'm a team, I'm

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Speaker 1: not trading for two it just because I don't know

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Speaker 1: what he's gonna play with the head injuries, because that

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Speaker 1: to me, he's one concussion away from retirement. I hate

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Speaker 1: saying that, but oh no, that that's I think. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody would disagree with that. Do They just

619
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Speaker 1: just boxed how it was handled from the beginning that

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Speaker 1: first we never when you stumble like that, you have

621
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Speaker 1: a concussion that's not your back, and that's that was

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Speaker 1: the chain of events which started all of this for him.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder the Ravens John Harball special teams guy's

624
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: been there forever a good coach, the offensive coordinator. Is

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Speaker 1: it still Greg Roman? Because I if no, just still

626
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Speaker 1: Greg Roman. There's there's a way for that too, appeas

627
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: Ravens fans. Greg Roman is really Jim Harba guy he

628
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: was with Jim Harbaugh at If Jim Harbaugh becomes the

629
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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos head coach, I'm sure John and Jim will

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Speaker 1: have a conversation and if he wants Greg Roman, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that could be worked out. Fox Sports Radio has

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635
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Speaker 1: to listen live. Trying to think of a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: would slide in for the Ravens assuming Lamar is not there. Now,

637
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: you know you've been in the industry a while. What's

638
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: the percentage chance Lamar Jackson is back with the Ravens

639
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: next year starting week one hundred, Not even like nine percent.

640
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Speaker 1: He's he's playing on a forty five million dollar exclusive

641
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: franchise tag unless he has a change your heart on

642
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: that fully guaranteed contract. To me, there's a way you

643
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: could do that contract which isn't fully guaranteed. But if

644
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: he's dead set on that, then it's a franchise tag.

645
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: I think he's there at least one more year. He

646
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: gets interesting in four when you have a franchise tag

647
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: at fifty four million, knowing the third one would be

648
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: like no, I thought, I thought you couldn't do three.

649
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: You can do three, you can't do any more than three, okay,

650
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: because I thought after two kirk Cousins had two with

651
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: one they could have they could have done a third,

652
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: but it was gonna be too costs for him. But

653
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: because then the third one is a percent of your

654
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: set your prior sars exactly. So the year of reckoning

655
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Speaker 1: is four because then you have to trade him or

656
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Speaker 1: give him his fully guaranteed contract. So a year of reckoning.

657
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: So so he'll make fort next season, and then after

658
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Speaker 1: that it would be it would go to fifty yeah,

659
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: increase and you it would that make him the highest

660
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: paid quarterback in the league. He'd make a hunter million

661
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: over two years. Maybe maybe not by then because you've

662
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: got two guys who are gonna be for contract extensions

663
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: um this offseason, Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert. Oh gosh,

664
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: they are going to break the bank. Yes, they will

665
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: break the bank. Alo so lamar waiting. If I was like,

666
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: I got playing a franchise tag for one year, I

667
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: let them push the market up even more. And I'm like,

668
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: and then you got a guy who's gonna make at

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Speaker 1: least Tyler Murray money this year. He will be in

670
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: a contract year. Jalen Hurts. You looked like he was

671
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: headed to the m v P before he got hurt.

672
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: I gotta see more than one year from Hurts, and

673
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: I like Hurts a lot. I gotta see more than

674
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: one year before. We're talking about that big kind of

675
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: money Kyler. If Kyler Murray's were forty six, I'd rather

676
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: pay Jalen Hurts forty six and Kyler Murray you have.

677
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: But look, they paid Kyler. He's already hurt. He's a

678
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: nightmare in the county. Is well. Jalen Hurts is not

679
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: in a nightmare. Land Hurts is a good dude. Yeah,

680
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: by all accounts. Um kind of is what it is

681
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: with the quarter for these quarterbacks coming off Ricky deals,

682
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: who are ascending like that. That's why as soon as

683
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: you get the QB, you gotta anty up around him

684
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: and try to go go. You have to. You have

685
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: to do with Seattle did with Russell Wilson. They took

686
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: advantage of him on the rookie contract and then, as

687
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner Stuteley said, can't keep everyone, and then they

688
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: never won another Super Bowl. Yeah. So so actually, let's

689
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: wed Seattle in here, if you don't mind me doing that.

690
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: So Gino Smith is up. We know he's set franchise

691
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: records this year. Whoop the damn? Do we know he's limited.

692
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna lose to San Francisco this weekend, Joel. They

693
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Speaker 1: have Denver's pick in the top five, wouldn't it wouldn't

694
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Speaker 1: it make sense for them to just draft the quarterback. Yeah?

695
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: I see. The thing is, I thought in preseason they

696
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: were having to pick between a marketing slogan. I was

697
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: way off on this, busting for Bryce their second for

698
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: c J. But they do have it that they got

699
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: the top five pick. I just thought it would be

700
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: their own, not Seattle. So um, the Bears are either

701
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Speaker 1: gonna I would assume keep that and take an offensive

702
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: player of ox it off to someone who wants to

703
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: move up, maybe the Colt. Then Houston should take a

704
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: quarterback at two, and you could head your bets and

705
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: take uh a quarterback at five if you're Seattle, but

706
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: you signed Gino to a bridge deal. Arizona's not taking

707
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: one at three. But I think Indians, definitely, Indy has

708
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback. They're not. They're not. I thought

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00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: they would be uh contending with Tennessee to win that division,

710
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: either one of them did, and that team doesn't look

711
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: like they have that window anymore. So you start over

712
00:39:53,719 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: with the young quarterback. And yeah, if I'm Seattle, if

713
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Speaker 1: you can get a quarterback at five, I might seriously

714
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Speaker 1: consider it, even though your pass rush just needs some work. Yeah,

715
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: but guess what with the quarterback on the rookie deal,

716
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: you can go then go spend right, you don't have

717
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: to pay Gino thirty five mil forty mil. And if

718
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay for two years, he's gonna say, I'm

719
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: a pro bowler, so I'm at least the average guy.

720
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: The average salaries thirty two for just the guys on

721
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: veteran contracts. So what do you do sixty over two?

722
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: No you don't. You say, go ahead and thank you

723
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Speaker 1: for your service, good luck, and enjoy the market, and

724
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: and pick whatever contract you one. Let's see who sits

725
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: on that grenade. Come on, Joel paying Gino smid thirty million,

726
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: that's insane. Here's the problem is he is he is?

727
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Speaker 1: He is? He an average starting quarterback, the average Joel

728
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: he was, but for the first time he's been starting

729
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: since he played with the Jets. Okay, but we we

730
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Speaker 1: have a seven year body of work. What do you

731
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Speaker 1: want he had a seven year body of work where

732
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: we're sitting on a bench. Some meany of work. I'll

733
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: call up his stats. I think it's closer. It's not

734
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: like he threw this many passes. He exceeded everybody's expectations. Right,

735
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: But ant if if i'm him, Yeah, to me, I

736
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: do a contract awards article each year. He's best used

737
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: for contract year and probably biggest steel because he's made

738
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: three point five plus three point five and incentives. But

739
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: um minimum, you go Teddy Bridgewater type deal that was

740
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: sixty over three union of playing two. He it is

741
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: what it is. He's a starting quarterback who he's performed

742
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: better than Teddy Bridgewater did when he was in New Orleans.

743
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: He can't stay healthy. Uh yeah, but but he went

744
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: to the he's at the Pro Bowl this year. He

745
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: set the single season passing records something Russell broke Russell's record.

746
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: You may not like him because he's Geno Smith by name,

747
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: but if the average is thirty two, you're gonna have

748
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: to pay him a decent amount of money. That's the

749
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: tough part. You just said he was a bargain at

750
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: three million dollars or whatever, and now you've got to

751
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: pay him twenty nine million more after he was playing

752
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: for the contract. And again you're right after the Jets

753
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: when he kind of flamed out the first two years

754
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: he got in that fight with a teammate. Definitely, and

755
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: maybe he but but I guess my guests would be

756
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: front offices have to look in the mirror, look at

757
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: the tape and say, can you know Smith do this again?

758
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: Can he completions four thousand yards thirty touchdowns? Could do

759
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: sixty five completion thirty five passing yards, five touchdowns, paying more?

760
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: That's the tough Yeah, but that's thirty two is average?

761
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: That would that would be average stats. If you can't

762
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: get him to do that, then you're probably the same

763
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: place you are this year. Um wild card contention. And

764
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, Pete Carroll's not someone who thinks of rebuilding.

765
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: He's been in the playoffs. I saw something ten out

766
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: of thirteen years, which is pretty pretty damn good. So

767
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: how's this? How's this? Who are you? If you're the Giants,

768
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: are you keeping Danny Daniel Jones? If you're the Seahawks,

769
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Speaker 1: are you keeping Gino Smith? Which do you think of those?

770
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: Makes more sense? Uh? Daniel Jones because he's younger and

771
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: has more upside. Um, we still don't know how good

772
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: he is because he has no weapons in the passing game.

773
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: Before you before you couldn't tell how good he was

774
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: because say Kwan was hurt and he was being handcuffed

775
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: by coaching. So now he's got coaching, he's got a

776
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: healthy say Kuan. But if Keny Golladay was Kenny Golladay,

777
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, but if you look at that receiving group

778
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: and the tight ends and you ranked him among one

779
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: to thirty two in the league during the bottom quarter, yeh,

780
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: offense to those guys. But if he's doing this with

781
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: mirrors and you think he has upside, is he Maybe

782
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: he's Ryan Tanney Hill um, and Ryan Tanny Hill can

783
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: has a ceiling, can get you to the playoffs, but

784
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: you're not winning a super Bowl. That year that he

785
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: took the job from Marcus Mariota. When he was traded,

786
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: they signed him to one eighteen over four, which is

787
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: twenty nine and a half a year, and that was

788
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: in that's three years ago. You just that for cap inflation,

789
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: you're probably right it around three. See. I see this

790
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: is what makes it difficult that Tannehill is a great example.

791
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing him up. So he was a number

792
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: one over sorry, the first round pick, and they paid

793
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: him after three years in Miami and they so the

794
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: problem was he had a great run in Miami, right,

795
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: they get to the playoffs, but he got hurt late

796
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: in the season. Of memory serves, yeah, he did towards

797
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: a c O and they had to sign j Cutler

798
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: for a year and they had like Matt Moore starting

799
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: the playoff game and they were awful. And then you know,

800
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: he comes because he was receiver at Texas A and

801
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: m We went there as a quarterback, played the receiver

802
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: for two years and took the quarterback job back. And

803
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: I've never really seen Tennessee bought low on him, right,

804
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the deal was. They didn't give

805
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they bowed low. It was It wasn't

806
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: a big trade and it worked great and and it

807
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: mirrors ten and it mirrors the Johns from this standpoint

808
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: that they had to get somebody done either Tanny Hill,

809
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: which they did so they could use the franchise tag

810
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: on Derrick Henry. They both signed in a four year deal,

811
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: so really their window is through three. I don't know

812
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: who's playing quarterback in Tennessee. That could be an option

813
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: for Brady because of Rabel. We didn't mention that, but

814
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: um Rabels his buddy, we definitely know Malik Willis isn't

815
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback because you don't bring Josh Dobbs off the

816
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: street and then have him play quarterback as opposed to

817
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: guy you draft some maybe Brady's there, uh then Tanny

818
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: hills Um looking for for a home, but their window

819
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: was four years. So maybe you marry up a contractu

820
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: Quan and Daniel Jones together and you get you get

821
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: them for hopefully three of the four years. I don't know.

822
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: I just have this commitment phobic issue with some of

823
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: these mediocre quarterbacks who we've seen just be okay or

824
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: below average for multiple years and then all of a sudden,

825
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: one good year and we gotta pay them Yetta and

826
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: it I just I would be skittish, but Joel had

827
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: taken up a lot of your time. Man. Thanks for

828
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: diving deep on all these quarterbacks. It's gonna be a

829
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: great offseason. Joe Corey, CBS Sports. Thanks again, Joel Oh

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Speaker 1: any time,