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Speaker 1: Just gonna do about forty minutes of guys sitting around

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Speaker 1: talking sports. So years ago, when I was very, very

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Speaker 1: So the ratings shouldn't be great, right, the stars drive

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Speaker 1: twenty six, we have just you know, Kentucky, UCLA, North

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Speaker 1: I feel like lamar yea, all of us need guidance,

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Speaker 1: especially at twenty four to twenty five. I just don't

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Speaker 1: think he has the right people around him. Well. I

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Speaker 1: saw Richard Sherman sat on his podcast on the volume

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Speaker 1: check that one out to Calvin Johnson about these guaranteed

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Speaker 1: contracts and for most players, because the guaranteed number kind

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Speaker 1: of hovers between you know, let's just say forty to

431
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Speaker 1: sixty million. But these quarterbacks, even low ones, are one,

432
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Speaker 1: twenty one, one fifty. You basically play out your entire

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Speaker 1: contract always because the way it works on the cap,

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Speaker 1: they can never cutch it. It took Matt Ryan until

435
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Speaker 1: he's like thirty eight years old to finally get cut.

436
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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, they have played their entire time

437
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Speaker 1: on that contract that we said was terrible like four

438
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Speaker 1: years ago. So if you just sign the two and

439
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Speaker 1: twenty million dollar contract with one hundred and forty five guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: the likelihood you're gonna see ninety percent of that is

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Speaker 1: really really high. Just Derek Carr played out his entire

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Speaker 1: contract on the Raiders until they kind of messed with

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Speaker 1: it last year to kind of do an extension and

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Speaker 1: then boom, he gets another eighty million dollars. So I mean,

445
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Speaker 1: as a quarterback, you are in the driver's seat. So

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Speaker 1: they're arguing it feels like over kind of nominal stuff

447
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Speaker 1: in the big picture of what he's ultimately gonna make. Yeah,

448
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Speaker 1: and again, if he had it's a really good team

449
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Speaker 1: of managers around him, he'd get it. You can't ask

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Speaker 1: athletes to be great athletes and like financial wizards. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at I've negotiated twelve contracts or been part of

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Speaker 1: twelve negotiations. I have great people around me, I would

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Speaker 1: get taken to the cleaners. I'm not a lawyer, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a litigator, So it's like I just I just

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Speaker 1: as Dennis uncle Dennis, right, which is I'm and then

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Speaker 1: you know m Lamar used his mom. Well again, it's

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Speaker 1: not the end of the world, but I think it

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Speaker 1: comes down to both are not trusting. Lamar was overlooked

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Speaker 1: by a lot of people. He watched himselves in high

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Speaker 1: school and college be dominant, and yet he falls. He

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Speaker 1: didn't trust people. Kawhi Leonard was overlooked by a lot

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Speaker 1: a huge contingency here. See how he handles himself. Clearly,

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Speaker 1: CJ's a pretty high level guy. You do the same

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Speaker 1: with Bryce. Do you think they already know who they're

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Speaker 1: going to take, because that's what it feels like, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna take CJ. Strout. But you know this, I've been

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Speaker 1: in these meetings. There's still a lot of debate going on,

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Speaker 1: especially when the other guy. And Bryce is a really

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Speaker 1: high character guy at the highest level also and has

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Speaker 1: had so much success. So I could see the conversations,

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Speaker 1: you know, running right up for the next three or

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Speaker 1: four weeks up until the draft. Well. I talked to

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Speaker 1: an NFL GM this week who told me Will Levis

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Speaker 1: has the fewest there's three or four key traits that

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Speaker 1: you have to have, and that will Levis had the

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Speaker 1: weakest of the four because he was reckless accuracy issues.

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Speaker 1: This GM said, of the top four quarterbacks, he has

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Speaker 1: the fewest traits. You really want so take will Levis out.

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Speaker 1: So it comes down to the final three. I think

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Speaker 1: the size fairer knot is something as a number one pick,

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Speaker 1: I mean Kainer was a little small. He didn't want

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Speaker 1: to get hit anymore. Baker was a little small Manzelle

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Speaker 1: was a little small. Two was a little small. We

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Speaker 1: got a history here. You take a small guy up

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Speaker 1: top the hits land differently. So I think there are

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Speaker 1: concerns about Bryce Young. I think they wanted to see CJ. Stroud.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to meet him and look him in the eye,

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Speaker 1: and they think that CJ. Stroud has some of Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young's accuracy and experience, and they kind of just wanted

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Speaker 1: to see what's he like as a kid. Because I

543
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Speaker 1: think they look at CJ. Stroud and say, well, big

544
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Speaker 1: school with NFL receivers, really good coach, you get hard coached,

545
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: very accurate, very composed, doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

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00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: CJ didn't have a lot of big interception games. I

547
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Speaker 1: think he had one or two big bad games in

548
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Speaker 1: bad weather in the Big ten. So my guess would

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Speaker 1: be they wanted to go CJ and say, hey, does

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Speaker 1: he have enough of the Bryce Young kind of cool confidence, composure,

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Speaker 1: and if he does, we get three and a half

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Speaker 1: more inches and twenty more pounds. Because if you look

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Speaker 1: at their college stats, there are some similarity as an

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Speaker 1: accuracy of delivering the football. And remember Frank Reich's history,

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Speaker 1: He's a polisher. He takes guys that can be a

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Speaker 1: little while filed Anthony Richardson, Yeah, and polishes them up.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think Anthony Richardson, like he didn't feel

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Speaker 1: like a one year I mean, he could be a

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Speaker 1: two year build, and I don't think Frank wants to

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Speaker 1: wait two years to have a guy ready to play

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Speaker 1: at a high level. Yeah, I think the outlier, and

562
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: Josh Allen has really kind of skewed everything, But most

563
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Speaker 1: of these guys tend to be in the history of

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Speaker 1: the game more Malik Willis than Josh Allen. I went

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Speaker 1: to a spring training game yesterday and it was the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers against the Royals, and it's Dustin May the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: You know, the big redhead kid who throws ninety eight

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Speaker 1: six five, Yes, and then well he's on the probably

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Speaker 1: the eighteenth hole of his career. This guy's made three

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars. It was Zach Rankie, who's

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Speaker 1: a small player, and it kind of hit me like

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Speaker 1: everyone's banking on May to have this long career make

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Speaker 1: all this money. But it's just potential size. He got

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Speaker 1: rocked in the game. And then you see Granky, who

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Speaker 1: when I googled three hundred and fifty million dollars in

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Speaker 1: his career was incredible for a large percentage of it.

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Speaker 1: And small guys, if they are special, can dominate now

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Speaker 1: their floor. Like you know, if Bryce Young's gonna hit,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be really good, but it's much harder for

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Speaker 1: him just to be. And this is where I think

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00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: people talk themselves out of it. If it doesn't go perfect,

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Speaker 1: How does he just be like Jared Goth you know,

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Speaker 1: or Alex Smith, because there aren't just Usually the small

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Speaker 1: guy isn't just solid. Look at Kyler, he was either

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Speaker 1: going to be really good or he's gonna stink. There's

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Speaker 1: not just like slow and steady. So that's where I

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Speaker 1: think the debate on Bryce is legitimate. But if you

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Speaker 1: do believe he's going to be special, and there's only

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Speaker 1: a small percentage of those guys, doesn't even just because

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Speaker 1: you were special in college does not translate to the pros.

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00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: You know, we have a long history of guys who

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Speaker 1: are great in college that can't play in the NFL.

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00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: I tend to think he's going to be an incredible player,

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Speaker 1: just because I heard Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah talking

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Speaker 1: about this that we talk a lot about small guys

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Speaker 1: getting injured. Most quarterbacks in recent memory, they get hit,

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Speaker 1: get hurt, you know, I mean, Trey Lance's big, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo's bigger. That you get hit, you get hurt. With

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Speaker 1: the size of these defensive linemen and linebackers coming into

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Speaker 1: the game, so it's more about just protecting your quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Herbert broke some ribs last year. Last year, so well,

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Speaker 1: Stafford's falling apart mat He's thirty four years old, so

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Speaker 1: you Russell's breaking down. He's had knee surgery. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's what Russell Wilson's thirty three, thirty four years old,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I would take Bryce young. But I

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Speaker 1: do understand the argument on the other side of the

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Speaker 1: ledger on the small thing though, if you hit with

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Speaker 1: a small that this guy can be And from the

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Speaker 1: character stuff, you know, Kyler was questioned coming out by

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Speaker 1: the people internally Chris Bryce's character just like CJ's is

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Speaker 1: really I think these guys are very very well liked

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Speaker 1: from a character teammate football intelligence standpoint, well. And also

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Speaker 1: Bryce was a rock star at high school at fifteen

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Speaker 1: in LA and then he goes to Alabama and he's

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Speaker 1: a rock star right out of the shoot. So like

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Speaker 1: he's been on the spotlight forever. So I feel like CJ.

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Speaker 1: Strou's personalities a little more, at least I've heard he's

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Speaker 1: a great has great leadership qualities. But I feel like

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young as a number one pick would be unaffected completely. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Just he was the best high school I mean he was.

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Speaker 1: I can remember talking to somebody when he was a

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Speaker 1: sophomore on the USC staff and they're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it ball comes out different. Then he goes to you know,

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Speaker 1: his just sort of spatial awareness, pocket awareness, it's way beyond.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Frank Reich Um I can't give away

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Speaker 1: too much we talked about, but he asked me about

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Speaker 1: some quarterback stuff and I said, listen, I saw. I

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Speaker 1: saw a lot of Bryson High School, a lot of tape,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, coach, he just sees the field different,

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Speaker 1: Like his head is just all over the field. Whereas

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Speaker 1: c J. Stroud Lancer line, his dad works in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Lance does a good job for NFL dot Com he

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Speaker 1: said to c. J. Stroud as Jared Goff, sir. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, that's not terrible. No, he's more athletic

635
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: than Jared two. But you know from you know, Belichick's

636
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: coaching tree has been an utter disaster, and Josh remade

637
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: his image and had been turning people down. He was

638
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna get a head coaching job, takes the Raider job

639
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: within a year. Derek's out of there. Trades Darren Waller

640
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: when he gets coming back from a wedding, that was

641
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: felt a little clunky. I don't know if you saw

642
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: that story, you know, yes, you know, so it's just

643
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: now Darren, if you google his stats the last couple

644
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: of years, he hasn't exactly been George Kittle or Travis Kelsey.

645
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: But still it was a little clunky the way that

646
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: thing went down. Now he Jimmy's an impressive guy, had

647
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: a lot of success when his team has been well run.

648
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: Patriots forty nine Ers comes to the Raiders dysfunction as

649
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: part of their brand. Now he's got Waller's no longer there.

650
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: Their offensive line got some question marks. I think there

651
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: is just tangible pressure on Josh now of like you're

652
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: going all in with Jimmy and even if they draft

653
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: a quarterback, it's going to end up being a Will

654
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: Levis or a Malik you know that's going to take

655
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: some time, or not Malik, but Anthony Richardson. Like they're

656
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: gonna be ready to play. I don't see how the Raiders.

657
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: Now Sean Payton's with the Broncos, they're gonna be much

658
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: more competitive. We know the charges are good with the

659
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: chiefs of the champs. I don't know, man, I do

660
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: I get why Jimmy, you got to take thirty five

661
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed, But I don't know if I see

662
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: that one going. Well, Well, they're you know, sometimes some

663
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: people are built to be vice presidents. Al Gore was

664
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: never going to be president, right, not dynamic enough, not

665
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: just not. It's very possible. Josh McDaniels is just one

666
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: of the great offensive coordinators. I mean, if Sark doesn't

667
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: get it turned around at Texas, he's a remarkable offensive coordinator.

668
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: He may not be a head coach. When every time

669
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Speaker 1: I watch Sark's teams, I'm always left with he recruits well,

670
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: the offenses are clever, excellent game planner. They're never quite

671
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: buttoned up they make up. Their details are always a

672
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: little and I and I'm not saying this is true,

673
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: but is it possible Josh McDaniels is just an all

674
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: time great coordinator. There's nothing wrong with that. It pays

675
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: three four million dollars in the NFL, you know. Yeah,

676
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: so I think their offensive talent's really good. But I think,

677
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, how when when when Brady left the Bucks,

678
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: I think the divorce has been more lobsided than we thought.

679
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: Brady's success in Tampa juxtaposed against Bill's struggles in New England. Um,

680
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: so Josh McDaniels leaves New England, the offense falls apart. Yeah,

681
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, this one feels like Josh and Belichick

682
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: were perfect together and and maybe they're just not great apart.

683
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: It's very possible that Bill. I've seen this my whole life,

684
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: like like some coaches really need a strong on coordinator

685
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: on one side of the ball. They just do. I mean,

686
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: Saban has hit a lot of home runs at OC

687
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: a lot. Nick knows what he doesn't know, And it's

688
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: just possible that Josh and Bill they're just perfect, just perfect.

689
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: And you know, for the record, let's admit this. Josh

690
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: and Bill got Mac Jones to the playoffs, didn't they

691
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: They were pretty good two years ago. I mean they

692
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: went ten and seven and they probably could have easily

693
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Speaker 1: had eleven wins. I mean really competitive that year. Yeah,

694
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Speaker 1: it's very and this is not a knock on Josh,

695
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, we talk about the Brady,

696
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: we talk about the Brady leaving Bill. You know, if

697
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Speaker 1: Josh doesn't leave. I think New England is kind of

698
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: in that Super Bowl eighteen bubble because I think Mac

699
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: is kind of capable with Bill's brilliance, and I think

700
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels does a really good job elevating an offense.

701
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: But I'm like you, I some of his decisions. He's

702
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: a little cold, which works in New England. But I

703
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: remember when he was in Denver and like everybody's like, dude,

704
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: Tebow's not a first round quarterback. I mean I can

705
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: remember talking to people inside the Broncos who are like, dude,

706
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: he's our fourth best quarterback in camp. He's not even

707
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: second or thirties fourth. But you know, Josh is very

708
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: strong headed, So I'm not sure he's a head coach.

709
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: We'll see. I'm not sure he is. I got a

710
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: big picture of sports. Take I was, I wanted to

711
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: spring training game yesterday. I went to one a couple

712
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. It's packed. I mean it's just there's

713
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen thousand people at these games, young old, the

714
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: World Baseball Classic. I heard you talking about the ratings.

715
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean three four million people are watching on Fox

716
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: Sports one. This isn't big Fox, so they're doing bigger

717
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: numbers in the NBA. Is baseball not dead because it's

718
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: sure seems kind of popular to me. Well, i mean,

719
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: look at what hockey got for you know, broadcast contracts

720
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: and nobody watches it. So baseball's ingrained in our society.

721
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's our sport. It is. It runs

722
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: alone in the summer, it runs alone, and it's easy. Yeah.

723
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean you don't have to love baseball to like

724
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: go into a baseball game with friends if you're young.

725
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: The other thing that I would say about baseball is

726
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: because of the volume, all these networks now need they

727
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: need content. Well, it's it's the sport of content. So

728
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: it's like when people bag on the NBA, if it

729
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: was on the open market, you'd have multiple bidders. You

730
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: need content. And so I kind of look at baseball

731
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: as much shit as Rob manfred gets. I sat on

732
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: a plane next to a general man, a double a

733
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: general manager, flying from Atlanta to LA and the Richmond,

734
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: Virginia area, and he said, we've had this clock for

735
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: two years. Game flies by and it says it makes

736
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: a tangible difference at a park. You're out of there

737
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: in two forty three almost every night. And my thing

738
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: is baseball's fun. It can get really slow. Yeah, you

739
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: take that out. And and by the way, the defensive shift,

740
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: more runners, more stealing. So John Wi, every sport changes.

741
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: Football has been the best at changing quickly. But like

742
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: there's no there's no perfect sport. This shit all changes.

743
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: Like baseball was just getting too slow, had too few

744
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: base runners. Tweak it, and my guess is the numbers

745
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: will be up. You think part of Roger Goodell, who

746
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: just got another contract extension. Media hates him, but you

747
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: know the NFL is taking off like a rocket ship

748
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: for the last fifteen years has benefited you. See Adam Silver,

749
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean John Morant, he's got Buddy's pointing a gun

750
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: at a pacer employee. He's doing all that he got,

751
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: I mean he barely got his wrist slapped. I mean

752
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: the Adam Silver experiment. You talking about a number two

753
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: might have been a great vice president. I don't know

754
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: if he's a great president. You know, David Stern was

755
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: just a much more of a of a foe. I

756
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: felt for the NFL in terms of just running his business.

757
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: And it feels like the NFL is separated because the

758
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: NBA in the NFL. The overlap right October, November, December, January,

759
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: and it's even now in March with free agencies really

760
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: big for the NFL and then the draft in April.

761
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: It feels like Roger's success he's benefited a lot from

762
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: Adam Silver. Just I don't know. I think he's a

763
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: pretty terrible commissioner. Well. I think basketball's always been linked

764
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: to sort of it's it's a cultural sport. It's culturally significant, style, aesthetics,

765
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: race discussions. Goodell doesn't have to deal with some of that.

766
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: It's about winning and losing. It's also the sport we

767
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: bet and now legalize gambling. Last year you saw it

768
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: fourth quarter TV ratings up. People don't abandon blowout games anymore.

769
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: So I think football in is a little easier to

770
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: manage than basketball, and that's I love the NBA. But um,

771
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: you know there there, it doesn't bother me, but it's

772
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: it's it's it's got a cultural significance and its athletes

773
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: have always been outspoken and they should be if they

774
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: believe strongly in something. You know, I love Lebron, who's

775
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: much more willing to talk than a tire or a

776
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, and I love him for that. But um,

777
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: I think the NBA has always had its challenges. When

778
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: David Stern took it over, there was a big drug problem,

779
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: big cocaine problem, teams teetering on bankruptcy. Stern had the

780
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: deal and Adam Silver was some really bad ownership situations.

781
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: You've also had, you know, the COVID challenge. I thought

782
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: Silver nailed. I still can't believe. I watched games insided

783
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: with digital fans. I couldn't believe they pulled that self off.

784
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: So there, I think there's been some definite wins for

785
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: Adam Silver. You know what I also thinkum, because even

786
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: back during the Spencer Haywood days was when I was

787
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: a kid, John, It's always been a players run league forever.

788
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: So when people say, oh, players having too much power

789
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: they did in the seventies eighties. When you only have

790
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: five starters on the floor, one or two guys. Literally,

791
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: it's like international soccer Ronaldo Messi. They get what they want,

792
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: they want to coach fire, they get them fired. I

793
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: think I think with the NBA, it's still really popular,

794
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: but I think part of the analytics of that sport

795
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: is and it's really funneling, is that there's a lot

796
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: of evidence these guys should be planned about sixty games,

797
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: should never play back to back. I mean, these guys

798
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: have unique six foot nine seven feet, it's harder to travel,

799
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: and I think inside the league, I've talked to an agent,

800
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: I've talked to scouts, there's real evidence now, like Anthony

801
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: Davis is pain free. It's like, dude, you're not planned tonight.

802
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's it's hard for fans

803
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: to digest that you go and pay I mean the

804
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: other or nine. You know, there's the Laker game. It's

805
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: like Lebron's out and ads out and this stars out.

806
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: It's like, well it was I think it was the

807
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: Suns played somebody and I'm like, well, everybody's out. But

808
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: the Warriors played the Sixers and the Stars are playing

809
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: outside of Wiggins, and I'm in So I think there's

810
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: an analytic thing. Analytic they're not always good, John Baseball

811
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: analytics fewer base runners, home strikeouts now don't matter. Basketball

812
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: analytics in terms of player health are signifying some real truths.

813
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: Eighty two games is just not good for players. It's not.

814
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: And so I think I think they're in a tough

815
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: transition point with some of that stuff. There was a

816
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: little David Stern always would tell people privately, nobody watches

817
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: us until the playoffs anyway, even in the Jordan days,

818
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: the idea that we just watched the regular season. No

819
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: we didn't, No, we really didn't. And now you've got

820
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: a world where there's a zillion games on every there's

821
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: no special So I think the NBA will be fine,

822
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: But I do think it is. It's a little harder

823
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: because players are so powerful. It is a harder sport

824
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: to be a commissioner of. Do you think the NCAA

825
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: tournament whose ratings were up, Let's face it, we've probably

826
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: never watched less regular season college basketball. We don't know

827
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: the players, right. Do you think that's directly more for gambling? Yes,

828
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: because I heard you talking about passion. It is pretty

829
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: It's just a good television product. Even if you're not gambling.

830
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: Then if you are gambling, it's hard to take your

831
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: eyes off it. So March Madness ratings way up, NFL

832
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: way up. The two things we bet in America our

833
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: March Badness and the NFL. We bet college football, not

834
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: to the level of March. You go ask a sports

835
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: book operator three weeks in March and the NFL, that's

836
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: what America bets. In England they bet the the you

837
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: know z pl and so yeah, I think that's it.

838
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: Anything we bet is by the way, World Cup. World

839
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: Cup had great enough verse even though the times, I

840
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: mean there were games on that like two in the morning.

841
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: Why Soccer is another sport that is heavily bad. So

842
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: I think it's the rollout continues. Football, March Madness, Soccer

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Speaker 1: story that would be. I think what Yukon did to Gonzaga,

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Speaker 1: nobody's done that to Gonzaga. I think they're going to

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Speaker 1: look they looked pretty. They looked pretty. Damn good. They

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Speaker 1: killed Gonzaga. That wasn't asking. We'll Colin have a good week.

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Speaker 1: Drafts not too far away. Enjoy the fun four talk soon,

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