Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership
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Speaker 1: The man best known to the world as Lord Gordon
Speaker 1: took advantage of wealthy people in Scotland, England, the United
Speaker 1: States and Canada. He was a trustworthy man, he'd tell
Speaker 1: you and could be trusted, specifically with your money. But
Speaker 1: as this is the story of a confidence man, we
Speaker 1: all know you could not until he began pulling cons
Speaker 1: in the late nineteenth century. There isn't much information in
Speaker 1: the historical record about this guy, not what his real
Speaker 1: name was, not where he was born, where he grew up,
Speaker 1: anything about him. There's some suggestion that he at one
Speaker 1: time went by the name Hubert Hamilton, or perhaps the
Speaker 1: Honorable Mister Hubert Hamilton, though there is no way of
Speaker 1: knowing if that was his real identity or another fake name.
Speaker 1: His most famous alias and his final was Lord Gordon Gordon,
Speaker 1: and that's what we're going to call him too. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Criminalia. I'm Maria Tramrqui and I'm Holly Fry. The
Speaker 1: man best known as Gordon Gordon had endless charm and
Speaker 1: charisma that helped him swindle people around the world, including
Speaker 1: one of the richest and most ruthless tycoons in American history.
Speaker 1: We're going to get to that story in a minute,
Speaker 1: but let's start at the beginning, or at least the
Speaker 1: beginning as we know it. The first incident we know
Speaker 1: of involving Lord Gordon Gordon was in eighteen sixty eight,
Speaker 1: although at the time he was using the alias Lord Glencairn.
Speaker 1: The fictional character of Lord Glencairn was a wealthy landowner
Speaker 1: and heir to a Scottish fortune, and he swindled London
Speaker 1: Jeweler's Marshall and Son for twenty five thousand pounds. He
Speaker 1: kept up appearances and kept a valet who, according to
Speaker 1: a wa Crophet historian and editor of the Minneapolis Tribune
Speaker 1: during the eighteen seventies, that valet quote dressed in buckskin breeches,
Speaker 1: long boots, blue coat with gilt buttons, and an immense
Speaker 1: coacad upon his hat, which in Great Britain denotes that
Speaker 1: his master holds a commission under the sovereign. As Lord Glencairn,
Speaker 1: Gordon Gordon quickly struck up a friendship with a wealthy
Speaker 1: Scottish clergyman a mister Simpson. Through Simpson, he gained access
Speaker 1: to a wide network of wealthy targets, as well as
Speaker 1: opportunities to establish credit with jewelers in both Edinburgh and London.
Speaker 1: Here's how his get your foot in the door technique worked.
Speaker 1: He would make small requests of a person, such as
Speaker 1: a small loan, to gain their trust, and then as
Speaker 1: that trust grew, so did the size of the loan requests.
Speaker 1: And he would then use his marks as references to
Speaker 1: gain the trust of their friends and family, and he
Speaker 1: would add those new contacts to his list of possible victims.
Speaker 1: Around eighteen seventy, though, Lord Glencairn must have run out
Speaker 1: of easy targets because he disappeared from Scotland and England,
Speaker 1: abandoning behind him deaths estimated to be the equivalent of
Speaker 1: roughly one hundred thousand dollars. In early eighteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: Gordon resurfaced across the Pond in Minneapolis, Minnesota. No longer
Speaker 1: using the alias Lord Glencairn, he now called himself Lord
Speaker 1: Gordon Gordon. Historian Crophet described Gordon's appearance during his time
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis as so quote, he was slender of build,
Speaker 1: about five feet ten inches in height, and dressed with
Speaker 1: the greatest care, usually wearing gloves, patent leathers and a
Speaker 1: silk hat. His hands were frequently manicured, and his hair
Speaker 1: was brushed as smooth as curly hair could be. He
Speaker 1: was clean david, except for two tufts of side whiskers.
Speaker 1: He was exceedingly self poised, calm and deliberate of speech,
Speaker 1: articulated with much precision, and posed with an amount of
Speaker 1: ceremonies seldom seen on the American continent. And as reported
Speaker 1: by the Fergus Falls Daily Journal, shortly after his arrival,
Speaker 1: Gordon traveled with quote a caravan of forty horses, twelve
Speaker 1: men to pitch tents, a French cook, and a number
Speaker 1: of waiters wearing white linen aprons and white silk gloves.
Speaker 1: But the man newly christened as Lord Gordon Gordon didn't
Speaker 1: announce his presence in the city. He just arrived discreetly.
Speaker 1: Through casual remarks, he let it be known among locals
Speaker 1: he was the heir of the Great Earl of Gordon,
Speaker 1: distant relative of Lord Byron, cousin of the Campbell clan,
Speaker 1: and a descendant of Lochinvar and the ancient kings of
Speaker 1: the Scottish Highlands. Oh and that he had an income
Speaker 1: of more than a million dollars a year, although he
Speaker 1: was regarding its source. So he wasn't just the new
Speaker 1: guy in a town of twenty thousand people. He was
Speaker 1: the exciting new guy in town. And it's not like
Speaker 1: anybody could google his story and check him out. To
Speaker 1: add to his credibility, he deposited the money he had
Speaker 1: left from his final overseas swindle, reportedly somewhere between twenty
Speaker 1: thousand and forty thousand dollars into an account at the
Speaker 1: National Exchange Bank of Minneapolis. The clothes, the valet, the horses,
Speaker 1: the banking, these were all things that fed the rumors
Speaker 1: about this wealthy foreigner. Gordon eventually made the acquaintance of
Speaker 1: Colonel John S. Loomis, the land Commissioner of the Northern
Speaker 1: Pacific Railroad, which was at that time advancing, albeit slowly,
Speaker 1: across the plains to the west coast, and upon their meeting,
Speaker 1: he informed the Colonel of two things. One his plans
Speaker 1: to relocate tenants from his Scottish estates onto Minnesota land,
Speaker 1: and two his interest in buying hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 1: acres of railroad land in the state. Lord Gordon was
Speaker 1: clearly an opportunistic man because it was at this time
Speaker 1: that the Northern Pacific Railroad Company wanted to expand westward,
Speaker 1: but needed to raise significant capital to purchase the acreage.
Speaker 1: Railroad management was excited by the prospect of a Scottish
Speaker 1: aristocrat buying up huge tracts of land that could be
Speaker 1: the financial backing they needed, and they spared no expense
Speaker 1: wooing Gordon Gordon. In fact, they put Colonel Loomis in
Speaker 1: charge of entertaining him. Gordon. Gordon was sent on an
Speaker 1: all expense paid, first class tour of railroad lands throughout
Speaker 1: Minnesota as well as the Dakotas, and was accompanied by
Speaker 1: state officials and railroad officers. Gordon had one request of them.
Speaker 1: He wanted to be referred to as my Lord. We
Speaker 1: have no idea if anyone actually followed that request, but
Speaker 1: there it was. As they traveled, Gordon's periodically pointed to
Speaker 1: sites where he planned to build future towns or schools,
Speaker 1: and he would brainstorm names for them. The National Pacific
Speaker 1: Railroad Company provided him with a personal secretary and an
Speaker 1: attendant during this very expensive business trip, as well as
Speaker 1: money for his daily expenses. So in total, they spent
Speaker 1: reportedly more than forty five thousand dollars on the affair.
Speaker 1: And for some perspective on that, forty five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy one is equivalent to about one million
Speaker 1: dollars today. In January of eighteen seventy two, Gordon, his
Speaker 1: tour complete, decided to leave Minnesota, telling his hosts, his
Speaker 1: new friends, and railroad officials that he needed to travel
Speaker 1: east to New York City to arrange for the transfer
Speaker 1: of money for his land purchases, implying that the business
Speaker 1: deal was on. Those he'd met in Minneapolis were happy
Speaker 1: to provide him with letters of introduction to those influential
Speaker 1: in New York society. But what they didn't know was
Speaker 1: that Gordon Gordon didn't plan on ever returning. We're going
Speaker 1: to take a break here for a word from our sponsor,
Speaker 1: and when we return, we'll tell the story of Lord
Speaker 1: Gordon Gordon's trip to New York City. Welcome back to Criminalia.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Lord Gordon, Railroad tycoon Jay Gould, and
Speaker 1: what happens when a con artist cons a robber baron.
Speaker 1: Upon arriving in New York City, Lord Gordon Gordon moved
Speaker 1: into a large suite at the luxurious Astor House on Broadway.
Speaker 1: This was the place to be if you were a celebrity, politician,
Speaker 1: or well healed traveler staying in the city. Gordon Gordon
Speaker 1: received visitors there, including Horace Greeley, whose name you may
Speaker 1: recognize as the editor of the New York Tribune as
Speaker 1: well as originator of the slogan go West young Man
Speaker 1: concerning American manifest destiny. During their conversation, Gordon Gordon quickly
Speaker 1: honed in on a new swindle. Greeley mentioned to him
Speaker 1: that management of the Erie Railroad was currently fighting for
Speaker 1: who would control the company. That was potentially interesting information
Speaker 1: for a con artist to have, and he set his
Speaker 1: plan in motion right then and there. He discreetly, of course,
Speaker 1: fibbed to Greeley that he secretly owned sixty thousand shares
Speaker 1: of Erie Railroad stock, and that he also represented a
Speaker 1: small number of European investors whose combined stock gave him
Speaker 1: a controlling interest in the company. He and his partners,
Speaker 1: Gordon Gordon continued planned to replace the company's current board
Speaker 1: of directors with men who were more favorable to their
Speaker 1: own interests. Of course, none of what Gordon told Greeley
Speaker 1: was at all true, but that didn't matter. It was
Speaker 1: clear that Greeley did not keep this conversation a secret.
Speaker 1: Word of this groundbreaking news over an eerie railroad management
Speaker 1: shakeup spread like wildfire throughout New York's business community, and
Speaker 1: when word reached American railroad tycoon, financial speculator, and one
Speaker 1: of the so called robber barons of the Gilded Age,
Speaker 1: a man named Jay Gould, he visited Gordon Gordon personally
Speaker 1: and directly, but was at first turned away. On March second,
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy two, though the two did meet, and Gould
Speaker 1: became Lord Gordon Gordon's most famous mark. Gould's problem here
Speaker 1: was that if Gordon Gordon went forward with the plan
Speaker 1: as he'd told it to Greeley, it would foil Gould's
Speaker 1: own plan to take over the railroad company himself. So
Speaker 1: he suggested the menstruke a deal. Gould would allow Gordon
Speaker 1: Gordon and his partners to select and install a new
Speaker 1: border directors, but Gould would have control over the company.
Speaker 1: Gordon Gordon, though argued he couldn't trust Gould, he didn't
Speaker 1: know him, and he feigned reluctance in the whole matter.
Speaker 1: He did eventually, though, agree to the deal, but he
Speaker 1: had one condition that had to be met, and wait
Speaker 1: for it, Gould would have to give him one million
Speaker 1: dollars in cash and securities as a sign of good faith.
Speaker 1: Part of that condition, Gordon Gordon promised he and his
Speaker 1: partners would not spend the payment and would return it
Speaker 1: in full when the plan was complete, and Gould agreed,
Speaker 1: and he transferred one million dollars into Gordon Gordon's control.
Speaker 1: The reported breakdown here of assets is as follows. Gould
Speaker 1: put up six hundred shares of ERIE, roughly nineteen hundred
Speaker 1: shares of corporations affiliated with Erie, and four thousand, seven
Speaker 1: twenty two shares of the Oil Creek in Allegheny Valley Railroad.
Speaker 1: The package included twenty one one thousand dollar bonds of
Speaker 1: the Nayak and Northern Railroad, as well as one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty thousand dollars in cash. Because of his relationship
Speaker 1: with Gould, Gordon Gordon is often referred to as the
Speaker 1: Robber of the Robber Baron. He could have just disappeared
Speaker 1: with the cash right then, but he didn't. He decided
Speaker 1: to stay in New York, and he also decided to
Speaker 1: sell some of those shares. His con had been going
Speaker 1: so well, but here is where things take a wrong
Speaker 1: turn for him. Gould saw what was happening with those
Speaker 1: shares because he saw the trading activity on the exchange,
Speaker 1: and he immediately informed brokers not to accept Gordon Gordon's trades,
Speaker 1: using Greeley as an intermediary. He then also informed Gordon
Speaker 1: Gordon that their deal was off and he demanded immediate
Speaker 1: repayment of the cash and securities. Gordon Gordon did return
Speaker 1: all of the cash to his credit, but he only
Speaker 1: turned some of the shares. Quickly, Gould figured out that
Speaker 1: there were about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth
Speaker 1: of shares missing, not one to be played. Gould filed
Speaker 1: suit against Gordon Gordon and had him arrested for obtaining
Speaker 1: money under false pretenses. That arrest took place on April ninth,
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy two. A handful of wealthy New Yorkers, including
Speaker 1: Horace F. Clark, an American politician and railroad executive who
Speaker 1: served two terms as a US representative. Together, these men
Speaker 1: paid the forty thousand dollars bond on Gordon's behalf, which
Speaker 1: one surprised the hell out of Jay Gould, but two
Speaker 1: allowed him to live freely while he waited for his
Speaker 1: trial to begin. During his trial, Gordon tried to calm
Speaker 1: the court into believing that he was an innocent man.
Speaker 1: Historian Crophet described him in the courtroom as such quote
Speaker 1: during three hours a vigorous examination, he sat with his
Speaker 1: legs crossed and his thumbs thrust carelessly into his waistcoat pockets,
Speaker 1: as unconcerned and unruffled, as if conversing in a drawing room.
Speaker 1: On the stand, Gordon Gordon testified the yes he had
Speaker 1: Scottish ancestry, did he who knows for sure? And when
Speaker 1: questioned by Gould's lead counsel, a person named David Dudley Field,
Speaker 1: Gordon gave the court names of various Scottish and English
Speaker 1: nobility who he claimed where his sister, his stepfather, and
Speaker 1: an uncle, as well as friends and business partners. Some
Speaker 1: believe he supplied this information to further his innocence plea,
Speaker 1: but Jay Gould was not having any of it. That
Speaker 1: same night cables were sent to the American consulates in Paris, London,
Speaker 1: and Burne. In regard to each person that Gordon Gordon
Speaker 1: had called out in testimony, not one of the named
Speaker 1: people had ever heard of him, and some of them,
Speaker 1: it seemed, might not have even been real people. Gould
Speaker 1: was prepared to present all of this information in court
Speaker 1: the very next day, but Gordon Gordon, sensing which direction
Speaker 1: the wind was blowing after that testimony and that wind
Speaker 1: was not blown in his favor, fled on a night
Speaker 1: train to Montreal, Canada. We're going to take a break
Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor right now, and when
Speaker 1: we're back, we will talk about how you can run,
Speaker 1: but you apparently cannot hide from mister Jay Gould. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Criminalia. Let's talk about how the attempted kidnapping
Speaker 1: of Lord Gordon went very wrong and his final days.
Speaker 1: You can maybe imagine how Jay Gould felt about Gordon's escape.
Speaker 1: Insert a lot of expletives right here. He offered a
Speaker 1: reward of twenty five thousand dollars for Gordon Gordon's arrest,
Speaker 1: but he didn't stop there. He also sent detectives to
Speaker 1: Europe to investigate Gordon Gordon's past, and with the help
Speaker 1: of the proprietors in the Edinburgh and London jewelry stores
Speaker 1: who identified him in photographs, the detectives soon uncovered his
Speaker 1: previous alias, Lord Glencairn. Gould was the only person, it
Speaker 1: turns out, who ever bothered to look into who Lord
Speaker 1: Gordon really was. After he fled New York, Gordon Gordon's
Speaker 1: whereabouts were unknown for nearly a year. It wasn't until
Speaker 1: the summer of eighteen seventy three when word reached the
Speaker 1: United States and Jay Gould that the con artist was
Speaker 1: living in Fort Garry, Manitoba that's now Winnipeg, just fifty
Speaker 1: miles north of Minnesota's border with Canada. There's no record
Speaker 1: that he adopted a new alias at that time, but
Speaker 1: he did pose as a British gentleman looking for sporting expeditions.
Speaker 1: Once this information was out, a party of Gould supporters
Speaker 1: who were also prominent citizens of Minneapolis, including Lauren Fletcher,
Speaker 1: John Gilfillan, and Eugene Wilson. Let's note all three of
Speaker 1: these people were later elected to Congress. They decided they
Speaker 1: would bring him to justice, so, accompanied by several Minneapolis
Speaker 1: police officers, the group crossed the border into Canada and
Speaker 1: apprehended Gordon Gordon, who was sitting on his front porch
Speaker 1: when they arrived. Some might say they apprehended him, while
Speaker 1: others might say they kidnapped him. The group secured Gordon
Speaker 1: in the back of a wagon and sped back to
Speaker 1: the United States, but they ran into trouble when they
Speaker 1: were stopped at the border by Canadian authorities. The men
Speaker 1: later claimed they were actually just a few yards into
Speaker 1: US territory when this happened, but regardless, all of them
Speaker 1: were jailed and Gordon Gordon was once again on the lamb.
Speaker 1: That night, Minneapolist Mayor George Brackett received a desperate telegram
Speaker 1: that read quote, We're in a hell of a fix,
Speaker 1: come at once, a hell of a fix. Indeed, their
Speaker 1: attempted kidnapping nearly sparked an international incidents. Reporters published articles
Speaker 1: in the Saint Paul Pioneer and other newspapers across Minnesota,
Speaker 1: insisting a militia should be raised to cross the border
Speaker 1: and rescue the jailed Americans. But no, it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: a militia that would fix this. Negotiations among high ranking
Speaker 1: government officials including Minnesota Governor Horace Austin, US President Ulysses
Speaker 1: s Grant, and Canadian Prime Minister Sir John McDonald. Is
Speaker 1: what secured their release, and the members of the kidnapping
Speaker 1: party were released on September fifteenth. Throughout this debacle, Gordon
Speaker 1: Gordon was believed to be in Canada but remained at large,
Speaker 1: and Jay Gould's reward offer remained valid. But now after
Speaker 1: the scene at the border, those who pursued him made
Speaker 1: sure to dot their eyes across their teas. There were
Speaker 1: proper legal channels to follow and extradition papers were obtained
Speaker 1: to secure his capture. So we have a warning for
Speaker 1: you here about the tragic ending. Lord Gordon takes his
Speaker 1: own life before he can be apprehended, and we're about
Speaker 1: to talk about that part of the story. If you
Speaker 1: would like to skip this discussion, jump ahead and we'll
Speaker 1: meet you for some scam sauce. Gordon was tracked to Headinglee, Manitoba,
Speaker 1: and on August first, eighteen seventy four, Toronto Police officers
Speaker 1: were sent to arrest him at the cottage where he
Speaker 1: was staying. When they arrived, the story goes that they
Speaker 1: found him asleep and when woken, Gordon allegedly asked if
Speaker 1: he could finish his nap that was not in the
Speaker 1: cards that day. He got dressed, told the officers he
Speaker 1: wanted to get his cap because it was cold outside,
Speaker 1: and then stepped into an adjoining room, where he then
Speaker 1: fatally shot himself in the head. At the coroner's inquest,
Speaker 1: and Alexander Monroe of the Toronto Police Department provided the
Speaker 1: following testimony about Gordon. Gordon's final moments quote. I told
Speaker 1: Gordon that I had come to arrest him and that
Speaker 1: I had a warrant. I showed him the warrant. He
Speaker 1: said it was all right, just glanced over it. Don't
Speaker 1: think he read it at all, and he said he
Speaker 1: was ready to go. Gave him a few minutes to
Speaker 1: put on warmer clothes. He wanted to know if I
Speaker 1: intended taking him through the States. I told him I
Speaker 1: did not. He got dressed and was ready to go,
Speaker 1: with the exception of a Scotch cap. He called for it.
Speaker 1: He made a sort of rush into the bedroom where
Speaker 1: he got the revolver. I do not know. I was
Speaker 1: standing in the door within four feet of him. The
Speaker 1: next thing I saw was his turning around with his
Speaker 1: back against the wall, with the revolver in his hand.
Speaker 1: I made a rush toward him to prevent his shooting.
Speaker 1: I expected it was meant for myself, and as I
Speaker 1: was about getting hold of him, the gun went off.
Speaker 1: He made some remoi while holding the revolver in his hand,
Speaker 1: but I did not catch the meaning. He sank down
Speaker 1: against the wall. Just as I got a hold of him.
Speaker 1: I saw the blood coming out of his left ear.
Speaker 1: That was the first I noticed. Afterward saw the wound
Speaker 1: in his right temple. I believe he was dying fast,
Speaker 1: and he was dead immediately. A tragic end to Gordon.
Speaker 1: Gordon's life. So let's toast to aid life boldly lived
Speaker 1: with our scam sauce. That's well put, because this is
Speaker 1: a bold drink. I wanted to think about an idea
Speaker 1: of a drink that someone who feigned to be a
Speaker 1: fancy man might drink, and I started thinking, obviously, Scotch
Speaker 1: whiskey is the obvious choice here, which means that's not
Speaker 1: what we're getting right, which means we're not going to
Speaker 1: do obvious. We'll try not to sometimes I do. But
Speaker 1: I started to think about something I love, and that
Speaker 1: is kognak. No way you love kognak, I never love.
Speaker 1: I love. But I started thinking about cognac cocktails and
Speaker 1: thought about, of course a sidecar. So if you've ever
Speaker 1: had a sidecar, it is cognac with triple sec and
Speaker 1: lemon juice and that's it. So I wanted to do
Speaker 1: something like that, but that was a little bit harsher.
Speaker 1: So obviously this is a spirit forward drink. So if
Speaker 1: you don't like spirit forward, this may not be for you.
Speaker 1: But I have a fix, so don't even worry about it.
Speaker 1: I never do like, oh my god, I always am ready.
Speaker 1: This is symbol as heck to put together. Though it
Speaker 1: is just an ounce of cognac, about a third of
Speaker 1: an ounce of lemon juice and a third of an
Speaker 1: ounce instead of triple sec of chilly liqueur. Really, so
Speaker 1: you shake that like the Dickens with ice, you get
Speaker 1: it really cold, and then you strain it into a
Speaker 1: pre chilled cocktail glass like I have a double walled
Speaker 1: Martini glass I like to use for these, So there's
Speaker 1: no ice in it other than maybe some chips that
Speaker 1: are left from your hard shake. But then it's just
Speaker 1: a small but very heavy hitting drink that you can
Speaker 1: drink now if you absolutely do not like kognak or
Speaker 1: this drink is too spirit forward for you. Guess what,
Speaker 1: anytime you get a drink, when that's the case, you
Speaker 1: can always put a little bit of ginger ale on
Speaker 1: top of it, a little bit of club soda, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to do. So this, obviously it is a
Speaker 1: little bit tricky to do as a mocktail, but I
Speaker 1: have a plas so come along with me, and I
Speaker 1: just call this drink the Gordon Gordon. I'm just naming
Speaker 1: it in his honor because he is a man who
Speaker 1: lived boldly with surprising, surprising flavor, kind of how we
Speaker 1: incorporated the chili there. So we have talked before about
Speaker 1: subbing out kognac and using something like an apricot juice
Speaker 1: or a peach or pear juice. I like to use
Speaker 1: that to brew a dark tea so you get a
Speaker 1: richer flavor, and I would suggest doing that here. You
Speaker 1: can do a chili syrup if you can't find a
Speaker 1: chili syrup. I found some in like my local grocery store,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it was a weird thing to
Speaker 1: find there because it wasn't like a regular syrup brand.
Speaker 1: That I would use, do the trick we've done many
Speaker 1: times before. Make your simple syrup, cut your chili up fine.
Speaker 1: I would go with whatever level of heat in your
Speaker 1: chili you are comfortable with. And if you don't want
Speaker 1: to do a chili syrup and you don't want to
Speaker 1: bother would make itself. You can use a halopeno syrup.
Speaker 1: Those are easier to come by, but it's not going
Speaker 1: to have quite the same flavor. It'll be usually a
Speaker 1: little brighter, but that's your your mocktail version, and you
Speaker 1: can top that with ginger ale two. If it's like
Speaker 1: too intense for you, that is the Gordon Gordon. It
Speaker 1: seems fancy, but it has a lot of bite, and
Speaker 1: that seems correct for him and the last him. Yes,
Speaker 1: we are so thankful that you spent this time with
Speaker 1: us this week, as we are every week, and we
Speaker 1: we'll be right back here again next week with more
Speaker 1: scam sauce, more tales of wild com stories, and who
Speaker 1: knows what else. There's always surprises, so we cannot wait
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