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Speaker 1: my buddy, five time Emmy Award winner. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: Kirk Herbstreet College Game to ESPN's going to join us

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Speaker 1: in about five minutes. You know, I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton, who apparently pissed off the people in the

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Speaker 1: front office of the Patriots and the coaching staff. That's

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Speaker 1: why they leaked the story. Stories only get out when

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Speaker 1: somebody wants them out, so they leaked a story that

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Speaker 1: they were unhappy with a confusion with Cam Newton. What

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Speaker 1: they're telling you is either he's unvaxed, which if you're

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that's totally able. Quarterbacks all about sacrificing for

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Speaker 1: the team. Or it's telling you they want to give

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Speaker 1: everybody a heads up so when and if they do

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Speaker 1: make a move to Mac Jones. This COVID confusion was

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Speaker 1: not on them. It was Cam Newton's mistake. That story

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Speaker 1: only leaks because the Patriots wanted out. How many things

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Speaker 1: have we read about the Patriots seth Wickersham as a

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Speaker 1: new book and we never heard about him. Not twenty

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Speaker 1: year Secrets yet Cam Newton two days after the COVID confusion,

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Speaker 1: it's out in the press. They leaked it because they're

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Speaker 1: telling you when we move off him, he screwed up again.

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Speaker 1: He got it last year, he got it this year.

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Speaker 1: Remember last year Patriot players weren't getting COVID. There were

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Speaker 1: certain protocols. They were very strict. The NFL was strict.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots were the most strict. Cam's the star that

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Speaker 1: got it. So this is all setting up, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's interesting. I'm looking at all these other quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: coming in. Just a memo to all the Cam fanboys,

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields is a far better prospect than Cam Newton was.

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton was a number one pick, so was Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is a far better prospect than Cam Newton.

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Speaker 1: Cam was a junior college guy, had problems at Florida,

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Speaker 1: transferred to Auburn, and you know, he was a wrecking ball.

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Speaker 1: He was a power running quarterback. We've never really had

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Speaker 1: he was easy to root four against. But as his

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Speaker 1: future and his career winds down, it goes back to

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Speaker 1: something that I've always believed, your life traits will determine

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Speaker 1: your longevity. Now it's very obvious. Just think about this.

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton's thirty two, he is at the end of

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Speaker 1: the road. There was no market for him. Russell Wilson's

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Speaker 1: thirty two, he has ten years left. That's what I

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Speaker 1: end of the road. Four teams, four years, Steph Curry's

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Speaker 1: thirty three, he just signed a Max contract and should

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Speaker 1: have been MVP. So it's those traits. Cam had lousy traits.

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Speaker 1: His mechanics were bad, he wasn't easy to coach, he

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Speaker 1: was at times indifferent, he was distracted, he had multiple interests.

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Speaker 1: I just never understood the complete utter coddling of Cam Newton.

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Speaker 1: And so when this story breaks that the Patriots are

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Speaker 1: unhappy with Cam, they're telling you they're tired of his shit.

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Speaker 1: They may start him this year, but it's over. And

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Speaker 1: there was no market before New England. It's over this.

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Speaker 1: I've been in this business twenty five thirty years. Stuff

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Speaker 1: leaks when somebody wants it leaked. There's a million Patriots

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Speaker 1: secrets we read about in every new book, and hear

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Speaker 1: about any of them two days later, berm, it's out.

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Speaker 1: Patriot's tired of Cam Newton, disappointed in Cam Newton. With that,

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Speaker 1: Let's bring on Kirk curb Street. He was a quarterback

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Speaker 1: for Ohio State in the late eighties early nineties, but

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Speaker 1: he's more known as an analyst for ESPN's College Game

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Speaker 1: Day Kirk curb Street. He's got a new audio book

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket, Football Fatherhood and College Game Day Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: It's available on Audible, Apple Books and Google Play. So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I was a big fan of Justin

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Speaker 1: how physical and athletic this kid is. So you know, Kirk,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you want to like break it down?

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields when I heard the work ethic things. I

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Speaker 1: has been able to turn around Bowling Green, Utah, Florida,

425
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 1: Ohio State in an hour, I mean literally overnight. Okay,

426
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: last year Harbus two and four. He's won on foreign

427
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: bowl games. He struggles with Michigan State. And you know,

428
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: I've gotten to the point where now I'm starting to

429
00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: theorize it because it's it's and I've said there's a

430
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: number Kirk using twelve games as the maximum. Every college

431
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: football program has a number that if they have a

432
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: really good coach, they can win. Alabama's number is eleven

433
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: and a half. Ohio States is eleven and a half,

434
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's is eleven eleven and a half. USC's ten. They've

435
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: had too many dips historically to put them. I've argued

436
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: Michigan's is probably eight and a half nine. The medical school,

437
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: the law school, and arbors like Austin North, there's a

438
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on. People are distracted. The academics

439
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,959
Speaker 1: are pretty darn hard Socially, it's a different fit for

440
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: some people, so as is I guess my point is

441
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: Hardbo's winning about you know, you're eight games, and if

442
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: now you would like him to win more Bowl games?

443
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: Has he really underachieved or are we viewing should we

444
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: flip the telescope that if Michigan, all things considered, is

445
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: about a nine win team at its best, in Ohio

446
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: State's about an eleven team. Look at their recruiting the

447
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: last twenty years. Maybe guys like me and I think

448
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: I've defended hardball. I think my perspective has been pretty

449
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: accurate that he's not going doing eleven games. Let's get

450
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: out of that space. Is that? Am I wrong? I

451
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: don't view Michigan as Ohio State or Alabama. I never have.

452
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: This is a tough one because I expect them to

453
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: be Ohio State. I expect them to be judged and

454
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: viewed and their fans I think expect them to be

455
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: viewed at that level. Urban Meyer Jim Trussell started it.

456
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: Ohio State hadn't won a national championship since nineteen sixty eight.

457
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: Jim Trussell brought them their first championship in two thousand

458
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: and two. When they beat Miami and from that point

459
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: on they changed their expectations. Before that it was trying

460
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: to win a Big Ten, try to go to the

461
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. Then it became were trying to get to

462
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: the national championship every year. We know we can do it.

463
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: That's the bar we're going to get there. And Jim

464
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: Trussell had obviously a hell of a run while he

465
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: was there, and then they had a dip when he

466
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of his and then as

467
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: he said, Luke fickle, then here comes urban Meyer. And

468
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 1: urban Meyer looked around in the room at the players

469
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: that he had on his roster, and he said, this

470
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: isn't right. This is you know, we'll make do with

471
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: his first year and they were ineligible for the postseason,

472
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: won all their games, but they weren't a great team

473
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: as far as the personnel on their roster. And then

474
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: he went to work on recruiting and he raised the

475
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: bar and created a stir within the Big Ten. On

476
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: how he did it, I feel like when Jim Harball

477
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: got hired. It's been six or seven years now, when

478
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: he got hired, and you looked at what he did

479
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: at Stanford, and when you looked at what he did

480
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers, and you look at his

481
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: legacy and what he did as a player at Michigan

482
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: and who he played for, and you combine all of

483
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: that in ann Arbor with their tradition, there's no one,

484
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: including you, that said it's a good hire. Tell you what,

485
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: he'll get him eight wins. He'll get him eight wins.

486
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: No way. When they made that higher and he stepped

487
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: to that podium, I don't know about you, but I

488
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: was like, oh Man, new ten year war with Urban

489
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: Meyer and Jim Harball, with their personalities, it's on and

490
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: every time they play, the winners going to the you know,

491
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: the championship, and the loser is going to be so upset.

492
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: That's what I expected every year with the hire of

493
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: Jim Harball, based on what he had done as a

494
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: coach with the forty nine ers, got him to a

495
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: super Bowl, what he'd done even at Stanford and as

496
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: a player. So I think we're lowering the bar by

497
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: saying the fans don't care as much as they do

498
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: in Columbus. Dude, that's that's as proud of a program

499
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: as there is. And I don't think if you talk

500
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: to a Michigan play. If you talked to Deaz and said, Daz, listen, man,

501
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: you know eight wins is good for you, you should

502
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: be proud of that. He would have smoke coming out

503
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: of his ears. He may be ready to brawl, because man,

504
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: he wants to win every game they play. And so

505
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: I will always have expectations of Michigan to not to

506
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: be Texas. If you want to say Texas ads there,

507
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: they're an eight win program you have other than Mac

508
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: Brown had a nice run, you know, for for a

509
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: number of years, and there were a few other Earl

510
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: Campbell years, but for the most part that's kind of

511
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: what they've been. Michigan has not been like that, and

512
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: so I have much higher standards. I keep waiting, Colin,

513
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: I keep thinking, this is the year. Okay, now and

514
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: now they'll go. And it's just you look at the

515
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: athletes at Alabama and Clemson and Oklahoma in Ohio State

516
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: and then you watch Michigan and you're like, what's happening.

517
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: Is it recruited? Is it is it development? Like where's

518
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks? The last tell me the last great Michigan.

519
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: Michigan had a run of about fifteen years. One Brady

520
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: and Greasy and John Navar and Todd Collins. It was

521
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: like one after another after another. What was the last

522
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: great Michigan quarterback. I'm gonna go back to maybe Chad

523
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: Henney in two thousand and seven, yeah, yeven. Yeah, it

524
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he was a solid really you

525
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: know good. He's still I think around in the NFL.

526
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean that was seven and that was the last

527
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: like great quarterback. It was the last great tailback. I mean,

528
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: they think about the tailbacks that they had that were

529
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: first round. There's Tie Wheatley, Leroy Horde, Anthony Thomas. It

530
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: was just Biakabatuca. It was one after another after It

531
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: was the last great Michigan tailback that made you hold

532
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: your breath when he had the ball in his hands.

533
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Mike Hart maybe that was oh six

534
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: and he was just you know, he was a good

535
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: college back. He play in the NFL. Good college back.

536
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: So my point is, you watch Alabama, you watch Ohio State,

537
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: you watch Georgia, you watch these teams. Was the last

538
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: grade back that Ohio State had last year? It was

539
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: a last grade back to Alabama head last year this year,

540
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: so they've got to recruit at a very different level,

541
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: and they've got to develop at a different level. And

542
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: I still think they can. I just kind of dumbfounded,

543
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, that they're not at a

544
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: much higher level with him at the Helman in charge.

545
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: You know, I I made this argument. I'll throw another

546
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: theory at you. I like theories. So Jerry Seinfeld once

547
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: talked about the comedy jet stream, is that these northern

548
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: cities Seattle into Chicago or Minneapolis, Chicago, Boston, New York

549
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: were funny. Your cities. You had a lot of people,

550
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: they got the joke, educated indoors in the winter, people

551
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: that are well read, you know, people the weather controls

552
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of your lifestyle, and that comedy clubs.

553
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: Seinfeld called it the comedy jet stream, the northern comedy

554
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: jet dream any club. So I'm gonna throw a theory

555
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: at you, with Ohio State being the only real exception

556
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: is that I would call it the The college football

557
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: jet stream is the opposite. When USC is on, it's

558
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: USC into Texas, Oklahoma into the SEC, into the Florida

559
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: schools into Clemson. Is that cold weather programs. Washington was

560
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: a power, They're not um Nebraska was a power they're not.

561
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: Mission was a power. They're not. I'm talking about the seventies, eighties,

562
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: nineties when I grew up, they were all powers. Now

563
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: Penn State with James Franklin's recruiting is absolutely comeback Wisconsin solid.

564
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: But that I can make the argument that once ESPN

565
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: went from airing fifty games to five hundred and everybody

566
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: is on TV, there is no reason for warm weather

567
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: kids to go north, and that Ohio State is the exception,

568
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: there's an exception to everything, and that they are an

569
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: SEC team North, that it is simply the it used

570
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: to be. When I was a kid, it was hard

571
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: to get on TV. Oh yeah, I mean if you

572
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: were a warm weather school, it was all northern powers.

573
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: So your thoughts about that, that theory that it's just

574
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: when weather worsens, kids want to stay close to home,

575
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: by their friends, by their family. And I also think

576
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: the game has changed so much from when you're what

577
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: you're describing the seventies, eighties and nineties, it was a

578
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: running back. It was the offensive line that was the stars.

579
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Now it's the quarterback and the quarterback coach. You know, like,

580
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: like what what all these these quarterback gurus are working

581
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: with seventh and eighth and ninth graders, and by the

582
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: time they're sees in high school, they're graduating early, they're

583
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: in for spring early. At their college, they go through

584
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: winter and spring ball, they show up their freshman year

585
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: and they're ready to roll. And so where do you

586
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: have a better chance as a quarterback and a receiver

587
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: where there's more emphasis on quarterback and receiver play currently

588
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: over the last seven to ten years. You want to

589
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: go to Arizona, you want to go to Texas, you

590
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: want to go to Florida, you want to go to Louisiana,

591
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: you want to go to California. Or do you want

592
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: to go you know, up up in Detroit, you know,

593
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: or up in Chicago. So I think the emphasis is

594
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: on getting the ball and playing with the ball as

595
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: opposed to in our generation it was pounding the line

596
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and running the ball. I formation, big older pads.

597
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: So I think it's what you're describing is true. But

598
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: also think Brian Kelly, and he would tell you this

599
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: if you were on here with us. Brian Kelly three

600
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: four years ago was trying to be Alabama. He was

601
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: trying to because of that Notre Dame brand. He was

602
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: trying to recruit like Ohio State and Alabama and Clemson,

603
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: and I think they got their doors blown off when

604
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: they played Miami late about three years ago. There was

605
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: an embarrassment and he went back home. He told me

606
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: this and had a real like I'm going to have

607
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: a look in the mirror and I'm going to evaluate myself.

608
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: And he talked to his team and he said, I've

609
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: let you down. I want to get to know you

610
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: as people. I want you to get to know me.

611
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to change our approach. We're going to play

612
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: to who we are. We can recruit some of the

613
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: best offensive linemen in the country, and we're going to

614
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: we can recruit some of the best tight ends in

615
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: the country. They're tight ends are in and we're gonna

616
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: go get them. We're gonna go get some great tailbacks.

617
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna get an Ian book, cerebral, smart, Jim Rack

618
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback, and we're gonna go find some defensive

619
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: players that can come in and play here. Because the

620
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: academic standards at Notre Dame are like a Stanford, They're

621
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: at a different level. And so he instead of trying

622
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: to try to figure out how I can be Alabama.

623
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: He said, We're gonna just be us, and man, I

624
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: feel like Notre Dame in the cold weather, they've kind

625
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: of found some traction. Yep. Yeah, Georgia games. Those are

626
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: two minutes left, and you know they look good because

627
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm tough on Notre Dame is because I'm just honest,

628
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: and they you know, for years they shouldn't be on

629
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: the field with these big boys. You saw what happened

630
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: when they played Alabama in the National Championship in twenty twelve.

631
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: It was like first series, man, tight tail, Eddie Lacy,

632
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: game's over. First series. I'm calling the game. I'm like, well,

633
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: we got another four hours to kill here. I mean,

634
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: what are we gonna talk about? It was at debacle. Well, they've,

635
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: to their credit, they found their niche. Paul christ has

636
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: found his niche. Iowa has found their niche. James Franklin. So,

637
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can use a blanket statement,

638
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: and of course Ohio State and say that all of

639
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: that what you're saying applies. I think that these coaches

640
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: that are in these these these areas, they've just looked

641
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: in the mirror and they've realized, hey, we've got to

642
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: just and not try to keep up with these lsus

643
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: and Alabamas and Georgia's. And we're not Ohio State. We

644
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: can't recruit like that. So that might be an angle

645
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: Michigan considers take it just to kind of get some

646
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: footing and try to get out there and be true

647
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: to who they want to be, and maybe that could

648
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: help them become more of a Latin national powerhouse. But no,

649
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is true. And I think

650
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: the style of football, these quarterbacks, these receivers, they want

651
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: to work twelve months out of the year, and you

652
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: can do that when you're down in these warmer conditions.

653
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: I got to throw a question at you about name,

654
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: image likeness. Well, I thought the media initially overreacted because

655
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: my theory would be, just like every other business, you

656
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: go to any city in the country, three percent of

657
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: the real estate brokers sell all the homes. So what's

658
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: going to happen with nil Bryce Young's gonna make money?

659
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: Ohio States quarterbacks gonna make money. Everybody else is not

660
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna make money. So the big dogs are gonna get

661
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: the money. It's it's I don't everybody's fear base. The

662
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: bottom line there's three hundred and sixty Division one basketball programs.

663
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: There'll be a Kansas guy, a Syracuse guy, a Kentucky

664
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: guy gonna make money and nobody else is. So it

665
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: does the name, image, likeness doesn't bother me. Do you

666
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: worry about I'll throw this at you. This sounds old

667
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: school by me. But if one dude's making a million

668
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: dollars in the college football team and nobody else is,

669
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: do you worry about resentment and chemistry within the locker room?

670
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: If I made a million dollars and I was a

671
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: quarterback of a team and I were twenty years old,

672
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: the first thing I would do is I would go

673
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: through the entire locker room and I would give every

674
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: player X amount of dollars. But well, there's five hundred dollars,

675
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars, two thousand and five, thou whatever, whatever,

676
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: you know, myself and my family and whoever was kind

677
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: of helping me, I'd give them money and I'd turn

678
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: it into a strength. I'd stay in front of the

679
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: team and say, hey, fellows, this the new world we're in.

680
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: You know, because of the position I play, I've made

681
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: some money. I want to share this money with you. Guys,

682
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: show you how much I appreciate you. Guys. This is

683
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm only as good as you. And so I'm going

684
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: to share this with you guys, and everybody come up here.

685
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: I got an envelope for you, and you would become

686
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: a hero overnight. So instead of turning it into man

687
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: I can't believe that. And I mean, think about how

688
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: much money that these position these quarterbacks are going to

689
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: be making. Why not do that, you know? And and

690
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: I think at the very least you do if your

691
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: offensive line, you know, and you try to take care

692
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: of some of the guys on the team that maybe

693
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: don't get some of that attention. I'm with you. I

694
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: was on a seminar the other day. I think there's

695
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: been about nineteen hundred name image and likeness situations up

696
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: to this point. The average of all of those is

697
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: nine hundred and twenty three dollars per per name. Even

698
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: like this right now, to me, I didn't come from

699
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: any money. If I were eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty one,

700
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: and I mean nine hundred and twenty three dollars for

701
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: a few tweets, I'd be like, oh my god, I

702
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: got money in the bank. This is awesome. So, I mean,

703
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: to me, this is an ideal, but the idea that

704
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: everyone's making money, I mean, and overreacting, you're you're dead on,

705
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: dead on with what you're saying. And I also found

706
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: it interesting that fifty three percent of these so far

707
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: are outside of football and men's basketball, so a lot

708
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: of the female athletes are getting involved. And it has

709
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: everything to do with how many followers you have and

710
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. But yeah, I'm just kind

711
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: of seven weeks old. We'll just kind of see how

712
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: it goes and evaluate from there. Can't wait. This weekend.

713
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: We got Nebraska facing Brett bean Lama in Illinois, and

714
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, I have a my wife, and I bought

715
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: a tiny place. I think Chicago is my favorite big

716
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: city in the country. Yeah, so I bought a tiny, little,

717
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: tiny little condo in Chicago, And every time I'm in Chicago,

718
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: I drive up around Northwestern in that facility. Oh God,

719
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: is that beautiful? That is crazy. Yeah. You know what,

720
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: I love Pat Fitzgerald because he could get the Bear's

721
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: job and he doesn't want it. He doesn't And you

722
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: know what, there's such a value in coaching a Northwestern

723
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: or Stanford or ore Dame and I. I just hope

724
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: people understand the quality of the human beings. David Shaw

725
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: tells me this all the time. I have players that

726
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: will change communities, that will change lives. Yes, it's such.

727
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: Every time I'm in Chicago, I tell my wife, let's

728
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: go for a drive up Lake Shore. I want to

729
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: drive around Northwestern. It's what an institution in America. Yeah,

730
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: I love Pat Fitzgerald. Yeah I need to. And you know,

731
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: he's got three sons and until they're all through high school,

732
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: he won't even think about leaving. It's not even not

733
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: even an option for him. He's a he's his alma mater.

734
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: He was a great player, He's built an incredible program.

735
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: And look where he lives. I mean, oh, I mean

736
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: it's like you say, it's the best, It's the best.

737
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: I love Chicago. Put that facility right on the lake.

738
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's stunning, stunning. Good for them. Okay,

739
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: you've got your book out out of the pocket Football

740
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: Fatherhood in college game day Saturdays. I have you sent

741
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: me a copy? Because I'm flying? Why don't you get

742
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: your publisher to send me a lot? Because I need to.

743
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: I need to read it, fly into Chicago on Thursday eight.

744
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: We'll do that over. We will overnight. That will overnight.

745
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: You can also get the audio book, which I did,

746
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: like we talked about um. But yeah, I'll shoot one.

747
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: After I hang up, I'll have him shoot you one.

748
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: Text me your your address where you want to set?

749
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: Do you still have my number? Did you when I

750
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: left Espnit? I'm loyal. I'm loyal to you. I'm like

751
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: one of your biggest fans. Dude, you know that. I

752
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: know I'm one of your biggest fans. No, you don't.

753
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: You don't even follow us Faller and I anymore. Oh,

754
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. Every You know, if you guys did every

755
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: occasionally cover you know, a game out here in the

756
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: three one eight one eight area code, then I would

757
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: just we gotta get the pro. We gotta get the

758
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: Bruins going. Chips bullish. I think this year he's feeling good. Hey.

759
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: By the way, yeah, LSU LSU week one. Let me

760
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: tell you something. This transfer portal yeah yeah, oh they

761
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: got five starters. Yeah, and I talked to Chip about this. Yeah.

762
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: You know what the transfer portal is. It's junior college

763
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: without the academic difficulties. Sometimes you occur and you know

764
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: they can play. Oh yeah, yeah, Ucla is gonna get

765
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: five starters in one year. Out of the track. I

766
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: think they're gonna make a big leap there. If you

767
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: told me there's a team that wins nine games, I

768
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: would take Ucla. Yeah. I think they'll beat usc this year.

769
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: Do you have a surprise team? One surprise team that's

770
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a nine or a ten win team and

771
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: we're not talking about UM. I like that one. I

772
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: think us c LA is a fun one. I think

773
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: Iowa is dangerous out of the big ten. I think

774
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: Florida State's getting a little bit of traction. Mike Morvell

775
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: left Memphis. He inherited a just a mess of culture.

776
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: It's taken some time. He's chased a lot of those

777
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: guys away. And I think now you know the Mackenzie

778
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: Milton kid who had that knee injury when he was

779
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: at UCF. It was devastating, one of those Napoleon McCallum

780
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: like turn away from the TV kind of injuries at UCF.

781
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: He's resurfaced at Florida State. I thought it was just

782
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of for fun. Kid is bawling in these scrimmages.

783
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: He might end up. If he ends up playing, it

784
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: will be the story of the year in college football.

785
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Milton if he plays, will keep an eye on

786
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: him and Florida State. I think they could. They could

787
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: be a surprise team in the accum Big twelve. I'll

788
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: give you TCU. Gary always kind of goes away for

789
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: a couple of years and then strikes He's got a team,

790
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: He's got a quarterback, he's got some skill and always

791
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: going to have a great defense. I would say TCU

792
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: would be a good one the Big ten. I told

793
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: you about Iowa, those are I love Ucla. I think

794
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: Ucla can surprise some people. I can never figure out USC.

795
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: I'd always look at their roster and I like claim

796
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: on a personal level, and every year I think, come on,

797
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: now here we go, here we go. And then they

798
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, they get sideways. But on paper, you know

799
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like. I mean, you always like

800
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: their team, right, Um, Yet they got London and Slovis.

801
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're gonna they're gonna have weapons that

802
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: they can make people. They're gonna play teams where they're

803
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: gonna have a better talent than most teams they play.

804
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: But they just got to put it together, you know,

805
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: that's one of those teams. It's got to have some

806
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: early success and get some confidence going and get some

807
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: belief going to maybe this year can be different. Um

808
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: SEC is wide open, man, I mean it's A and M,

809
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: you know. And then I think LSU could bounce back

810
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: this year after last. The longer the longer Dan Mullen

811
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: is at any program, the better it is. Yeah, so

812
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: they lose trash, but I think I think he's got

813
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: them come. Look after Kentucky, they brought in an offensive

814
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: coordinator from the Rams, and they got a quarterback and

815
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: a transfer portal from Penn State and Mark Man. Mark's

816
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: been there like nine years now. It's tremendous. Who if

817
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: you would have said when Mark Stoops was hired, what's

818
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 1: the over under until he's out of here? Like every

819
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: other coach you have said, Ah, if he gets to

820
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: five years, that'd be a good run for Mark, you know,

821
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: in his first time being a head coach. I think

822
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: he's on like his ninth year. So pretty impressed by

823
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: what he's done and the challenge of trying to survive

824
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: in that conference. As we all know, it eats up

825
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: coaches and spits them out. But yeah, I'm looking at

826
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: yah ninth year from Mark Stoops, which was tremendous. It's

827
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: great seeing you, man. I love your suss I'm really happy,

828
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: genuinely happy. You know you moved to Nashville. You were

829
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: the first person that I knew that moved in Nashville.

830
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: And I've had ten friends moved in Nashville. It's a

831
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: great American city. I just talked to Matt Castle. Yeah,

832
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: my stepson was a chef moved there. He's back in La.

833
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: Everybody I know that there absolutely loves it. Could not

834
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: be happier Kirk for your success. I just I just

835
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: love what you do and I want to thank you

836
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: so much for taking forty minutes out of your day.

837
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: Of course, man' as you know, you and I go

838
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: way back to you busting on me about Star Wars,

839
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: and I've always appreciated. I know, really, man, you just

840
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: have a gift. You just have a gift, and I've

841
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: always always tried to tune in and listen to I

842
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: love you. You have a way of thinking outside the box,

843
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: and I'm just always entertained, so appreciate coming on with

844
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: you and and talking about my book and just good

845
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: to catch up and talk about the sport. I know

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Speaker 1: you how much fashion you have for football? I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah all right, buddy, all right, see man, all right,

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Speaker 1: that was kirk Herbstreet. We'll put it in the Volume

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel and we have Twitter at the Volume Sports

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Speaker 1: we just hired Jay Boy. If you love SEC football,

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Speaker 1: that's our newest podcast. His show our every day on

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Speaker 1: the Volume channel. You know, this week we are giving

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Speaker 1: you more than really any audience deserves. I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 1: Tyler done all that insight, Aaron Rodgers, Jake Paul, kirk Herbstreet.

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Speaker 1: We're not even done. Seriously, I'm gonna put in for

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Speaker 1: overtime as grueling week. We'll talk soon. The Volume one