WEBVTT - Need A 4th?! Ep. 2 with Trey Wingo 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:11.399 Jeff, I called you, Jeff. Yes, absolutely, mm hmm. Golf 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:13.440 is the thing on anything in golf that doesn't change 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:15.760 the anything that changes the fest in playing does this 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.279 man of one time winner on the PGA Tour. The 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.280 point Alan is he didn't go Hollywood. You need a fourth. 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:27.760 This is fun. So let's say you're probably a better 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:29.720 guitar player than I am a golfer. I think it's 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.959 the reason so many athletes across sports. I think he's 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.120 the greatest athlete they ever saw. I would go to 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.040 the range and I would try to hit you know, 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.559 a couple of hundred one irons, and I would try 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.760 to hit him as high and as hard as I could. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.320 Great athletes do leave legacies. We're trying to the one 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.000 I can share. Not get myself in trouble. Oh my god, 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:55.880 this is a dangerous grows here. So I think we 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.680 can all agree that Echo golf shoes changed the game. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.360 When Fred Couples rolled up wearing them without socks. It 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.560 spoke to their comfort and just sort of that that 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.720 effortless cool. But you have an Arnold Palmer story I 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.360 want to hear. Right. Let let's say, have I ever 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.000 told you about my last visit with Arnold I saw Arnold. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.200 I would like to thank no reporters or Arnold more 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.240 than I did when he was in his eighties. My 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.880 last visit with him was in Latrobe, and I drove 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.919 there wearing these pathetic birken stocks when I got always 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:23.720 I'll just wear my shoes when I get there. But 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.800 when I got there, all I had was my Echo 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.000 golf shoes. And Arnold's really formal. And I'm going into 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.600 his office with my cleaned up Echo golf shoes and 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:33.880 almost like checking me out, and He's nodding, and I said, Arnold, 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.680 what you're looking at my socks and these armoms like, no, 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.240 I'm looking at your shoes. And then Arnold talked about 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.440 all the different shoes he wore, and no questioner, Arnold 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.440 Doug the Echo shoe. I love the Echo show. I 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:48.760 know you do too. Uh. It's a great shoe sales resistant. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.960 If it's good enough for Arnold Palmer and Fred Couples, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:53.480 it's good enough for the rest of you. So go 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.600 to Echo dot com and um, you can find one 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.920 that fits that you like that people will stare at, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.720 like Arnie. So back to need a fourth Hello, This 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.000 is Alan Schipnuk back for another edition of Need a 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.959 Fourth The Podcast or Myself, Jeff Ogilvie and Michael Bamberger 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.600 take turns surprising each other with a surprise mystery guest 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.640 that's actually might be redundant, But anyway, they don't know 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.880 who's who's waiting in the waiting room. I do, so 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.440 I'm gonna gave you guys a couple of hits. Um, Michael, 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.119 this will interest you. He's not gonna help you. Guess 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.040 it's so esoteric. But his father founded People magazine, so 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:33.240 h came up in the typing trade. Uh. This gentleman 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.720 is not a professional golfer. He's but he's one of 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.480 the most enthusiastic avid golfers. I know. If you follow 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.160 him on social media, and a million people do just 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.520 on Twitter, you know he's often teeing it up somewhere 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.320 fancy or or not so fancy. He's he's a he's 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.440 a man of the people as well. Um, he can 0:02:51.480 --> 0:03:00.000 talk about football the way that we can talk about golf. No, okay, Uh. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:05.639 His uh his given name is a mystery to many. Uh, 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.080 but he has a Roman numeral three at the end 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.520 of his full name, much like Davis Loved the Third, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.520 who many people referred to as Trip not Loud and Wait, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.919 not Loud and Wayne Right the third. I don't know him, 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.120 but I'd like to. But Jeff does. He's a musician 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.320 and his and his grandfather did work for chime ink 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.040 but did not found people magazines. Okay, so it's not 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.680 it's not Trip, but it's of that genre. It's one 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.320 of the great names in in in the sports media galaxy. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.400 It's one of your buddies from Carmel. Who No, it's not. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.640 It's not one of you, but not a Carmel guy. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.960 I'm titling lost. All right, I'm gonna put you out 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.120 of misery. Let's let's bring in from the waiting room 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:56.200 Trey Wingo, Mr Wingo. There, Ah, there he is. Hello, sir, 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.760 how are you? You're talking to me? I'm talking to you. Yeah, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.680 nobody calls me sir. I'm doing great, Alan, are you man? Awesome? 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.760 I'm so happy you're here. Uh. You know this this 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.960 is a golfy podcast. We have many people who are 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.160 deep in the game and and the golf media, and 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.160 they're they're professional golfers and that sort of stuff. But 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.680 I think you're one of the most avid amateurs I know, 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.120 and I thought it'd be fun to get your take 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:25.159 on on many things. Uh, to tell tell the listeners 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.320 and the co host about your your love for the 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.320 sport because they may not know how deep it runs 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:33.440 in your veins. Here. Yeah, it's pretty pathetically deep, for 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.040 lack of a better term. I never played a lot 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.040 when I was a kid, Um, just you know, screwing 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.640 around here and there. And then I got into a 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.520 little bit in my in my twenties. Uh, and uh, 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.480 I fell in love with golf watching the War at 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.919 the Shore the nine Ryder Cup, I just thought it 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:52.799 was the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:57.680 And to this day, Um, honestly, the Ryder Cup is 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.960 my favorite sporting about of all time. You know, it's 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.160 only sport, the only event I know where millionaires to 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.560 play for free, you know, and uh, they played for 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:10.280 the Pride and it's just it's it's awesome. So yeah, 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.599 I love the game, even though the game doesn't love 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:17.719 me back a lot, but I I enjoy I enjoy 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.839 the adventure of it. Like I think, if I was 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.719 really good at it, it might not be as enjoyable. 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.960 I know that sounds crazy, but like the maddening part 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.720 of it where you can go out and play like 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.880 you finally figured it out, and then the next time 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.000 you step on a golf court, it's like you're holding 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.840 a snow shovel in your hands and not a driver. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.159 And I think that's the part of it that drives 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.000 me a little crazy, but it also makes it fun. Well, 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.440 I think we can all agree probably the baddest mofo 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.599 who has ever walked the planet is Jim Brown, the 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.280 former NFL running back, and he once cited his favorite 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.839 sporting event to be the Wryter Cup for all the 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.479 reasons you laid out, And so I'm curious as you 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:00.640 travel through the NFL universe is golf universe so language, 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.880 and you find yourself having these these deep discussions with 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.400 the guys have nothing to do with football, but it's 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.240 more about the game you both love, oh absolutely, And 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.880 you see more and more of these guys picking up golf, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.120 especially in the off season. You know, Patrick Mahomes, when 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.880 he was at Lake Tahoe a year ago, says I'm 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.360 coming for you, Marty, and I'm like, yeah, you need 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.799 to relax Marty Fish might be the best non professional 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.520 golfer I've ever played with in my life. Like Marty 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.520 is so incredibly good. Like I think if he didn't, 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.320 if he wasn't going to be a pro tennis player, 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.440 he could have been a pro golfer. But yeah, there 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.240 are there are so many guys in the NFL that 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.320 are so into golf. It's what they do a lot 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.360 in the off season. So it is absolutely, like you said, 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.680 a universal language. You know when when you get a 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.240 bunch of quarterbacks together, uh after they talk about spirals 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.400 and all that kind of stuff, that they start doing 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.920 this and you know they go, what what am I am? 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.040 My closing too soon? You know, they go, they go 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.400 through all the machinations that all of us do. Trey, 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.240 have you ever played with John smalt spinning chance, because 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.480 he would be my leader in the in the clubhouse 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.440 and that exact specific category that you just mentioned, Smallty, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.279 like that whole brave staff of the nineties like Steve Avery, 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.680 Glavin Maddox, they all played golf, but Smaltz was by 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.200 far the best. My my favorite, my best John Smallt 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.800 story of all time is when my son was younger, 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.800 He's twenty seven now. We used to go down to 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.760 at disney World every year for his birthday, and I 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.800 ran into Small at one of those water parks. I 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.800 can't remember which one. It was, one of those two 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.480 water parks at disney World. He was there with his 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.440 kids on vacation, and I was there with my kids 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.160 taking them down for a birthday celebration, and we were, 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.239 you know, we're being the dorkey dad's at the water 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.000 park at disney Worlds like that, is you right? Yeah, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.000 We're just here sort of mess around with the kids. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.360 So my summer job when I was in college, I 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.640 was a cartboy at Pebble Beach Golf Links and not terrible, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:48.760 not terrible. I mean that's why I really learned to 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.200 play in the game, which is I say, it's like, 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.920 you know, losing your virginity to Jennifer Lawrence. It's it's 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.800 all downhill from there. And the head pro said, hey, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.920 run up to the driving range and pick some guys up. 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.280 I said, I just did a sweet there's nobody there. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.200 He's like, just go up there and wait around. I 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.800 was like, And so all of a sudden, this helicopter 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.320 touches down and Disgorges, the entire Atlanta Braves pitching staff. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.640 They had like a night game up at against the 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.720 Giants at Cantilestick Park and they all helicopter down. They 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:19.520 played pebble and they took off. I thought that was 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.960 like the most macho thing I've ever seen. Membership has 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.840 its privileges. I think is the saying on the American 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.960 Express card get mass Jeff a question related to this. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.680 Every Jeff, you'll see elite athletes like we're speaking of here, 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:37.680 um Fish and and Smaltz and uh and others. And 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.079 Michael Mike Schmidt, the former third basement for the Phillies, 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.760 I would say, was in this category. John Brody was 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:48.000 in this category, John Brody. They look like the real 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.400 deal until you get to about eighty yards and in, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.840 And I wonder why that is? What why can't a 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.960 really elite athlete figure out eighty yards and in like 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.480 you guys can, Well, I look like the real deal 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:05.600 to you, I guess um coming in with right away, 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:11.079 like right away to you can see. I mean, I've 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.640 played with Romo a few times. I used to play 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.839 with Derrick Anderson like the he was a backup. He 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.160 played in Cleveland for a long time, back up behind 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.360 um Can Newton and Carolina the great Scapusan. He was 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:28.160 a really really good player. Um, they're so talented. There's 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.640 such good athletes, especially they're throwing athletes, like you said, 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.559 the pitchers the baseball as the quarterbacks. Um, they can 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.400 find the ball from spots where most people couldn't find 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.360 the ball. You know, they can make something that isn't 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.480 really that great work. But you can't really short game, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.080 I think is pros. We all grew up around a 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.480 chipping green, you know, and putting and chipping around the 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.760 house with plastic balls, and there's such an innate, sort 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:56.679 of undescribable feeling to it that you just you can't 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.440 just be a great athlete and be a good have 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.080 a good short game. You know, you've I've actually learned 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:06.000 the craft. I guess it's like art, or like drawing, 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.960 or I mean something playing music, playing musical instrument. You 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.240 can't just sort of play the right notes. You know, 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.000 you've got to actually get involved, and I think you've 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:15.160 got to do it for a long time. And I 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.680 think that too. And they're too strong. I mean, they're 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.959 massive athletes, these guys and they spend the whole time 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.120 pushing weights as hard as they can and hitting guys 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.360 as hard as they can. That's not what you do 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.640 in the short game, right, So, um, I mean they 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.960 get there. I mean eventually, when they play a lot, 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:31.880 you see them retire from their sport and just focus 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.160 on golf, and they get better and better and better. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.880 But um, shortcame just takes time. I think a good 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.640 athlete can hit a ball pretty quickly because they're just talented. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.480 But short games are as a craft, and you can't 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.280 just paint by numbers. You've got to learn it well. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.600 I mean. The correlarity to that, Michael, is that if 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.200 you go to a corn Ferry event or the two 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.000 America event on the driving range, all these guys look 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:57.480 like tour players, and then you go to the practice 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.120 pudding green and you see all the weird contraptions, the 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.079 funky strokes, and you know guys are tearing their hair out. 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.560 So I mean, even even elite golfers who am playing 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.600 golf the whole life, the story game is the separator, right, 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.000 I got a I got a great story. I gotta 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.240 share their U of a buddy of mine who's a 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.480 member at Royal Oak in in Dallas, and they had 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.280 some guy who was trying to make a tour stop 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.040 there down there all hit on the range and this 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.360 guy was like striping everything right. He was hitting you know, 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:28.240 high fades, low draws, what I mean, everything every shot 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.720 you could possibly imagine. And this local caddy came up 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.720 and said, man, you must not be able to put 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.480 her chip with a damn. He's like, why do you 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.800 say that, because because if you did, I'd sure as 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.599 he'll know who you are. A quick follow up to 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.959 Jeff's point when he says, you know, they looked to 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:44.880 me like they might be pretty good. I was one 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.720 when year Watson ms the cut. Of course he missed 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.559 will cut a lot in the last ten or fifteen Masters, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.000 but he was on the range on Saturday afternoon because 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.000 he had a senior event the next week, and he 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.199 said it great. And I'm I'm the only person in 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:58.960 the stands and Watson is the only person on the 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.160 practice see, and so when he was done, I said, Tom, 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.880 it looks pretty good. He said, you think so? I said, yeah, 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.920 it looked good to me. He said that session sucked. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:09.760 I said, really, I thought it looked good. I said, 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.760 I thought it looked good. He said, that's because you're 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:18.600 a chop. Wow more high heat. Damn. Uh. I had 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.319 to tell one more Pebble Beach story, just because it's 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:24.480 so funny that the National Hockey League Players Association had 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.880 some big boondoggle out there and all these dudes rolled up. 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.000 This is again, this is early nineties, and they it's 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.160 like nine in the morning, and these guys already been boozing, 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.679 you could just tell. And so maybe a couple dozen 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.840 of them ring the first tea and Jeremy Roenick, remember 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.720 that guy. He was, He was a great hockey player. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:43.760 And he's on the first and he pulls out his 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.960 driver and of course, you guys know pebble beats first 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.600 holds this very short gentle dog leg part four. I 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:51.760 mean it's a hybrid or it's a for Jeff, it's 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.120 probably a three iron or whatever. And he's a guy's driver. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:55.960 The catties like, you know, sir, I I that's too 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.000 much club. Uh. He's like, well, i'll try. I'll try, 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.400 and just say I cut the owner, okay. And so 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.880 he hit one dead straight and it flew the bunker, 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.920 it flew the tree and almost hit the house, which 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.520 is so far up the hill. I never thought it 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.960 was in play. And all these other hockey guys like 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.280 literally fell down laughing. It was Pandemony was like, oh, 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.439 this is gonna be a very sloppy day at Pebble Beach. Well, 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.520 I'll tell you a great Jeremy ronic story from Pebble Beach. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.319 I was playing in a charity tournament there, seven eight 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.400 years ago. And you know it's a it's a it's 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.200 a charity event at Pebble Beach. It's gonna be slow anyway, right, 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:34.200 Ronick just decided because he's Jeremy Ronick. Hey, the guys 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:35.520 in front of me, I know you guys, let's play 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.640 as an ates them. So we're behind him. We're now 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.720 playing behind Jeremy Ronick on Pebble Beach and he's playing 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.880 and ate them. He was that guy. He was that guy. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:49.880 And I'm sure you said nothing right, Oh I was 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.920 at I was. I was. I was the host that 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:54.480 night and I gave a speech and I may try 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.080 to point it out, but he was that guy. I 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.199 love it, so I be true. You do get to 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.240 travel around and play a lot of great places, as 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.440 do Michael and I and obviously Jeff as well, let's 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.720 let's hear, let's hear your favorites, and we're gonna critique 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.280 your list and be prepared. Well, alright, this is this 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.880 is Uh. I gotta come strong here now. Look. I 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.840 I'm very fortunate to have played a lot of places 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.840 that I really enjoy, in a lot of great places 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.080 that a lot of people want to play. But I 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:28.040 gotta say, uh, Cabin is about as special as it gets. 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:33.680 Um up there at in in Nova Scotia, Um Cabin 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:39.200 Cliffs is Uh, It's just just a remarkable golf course. Uh. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.920 It's six six and six six, three, six fours and 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.480 six fives, which I think is really fun. And almost 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.200 every hole has his stunning view of the ocean. Almost 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:52.720 every hole is so incredibly unique. Cabin and the Links 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.400 course is great too. It's just a pure Links of 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.120 course right by the water. But the Cliff's course is 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.560 more dramatic with the with you know, with sixteen and 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.040 seventeen right along the water there. I mean eighteen is 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.880 as well, but literally sixteens apart three over the gulf, 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.760 so that would be way up there. Uh. It used 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.720 to be the challenge at Minnelli now it's called Lenai Golf. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.640 That's one of my favorite courses I've ever played. Bill 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.800 Gates got married on the twelfth green there. Uh, in 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.320 a true flex of f you money. He grounded every 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.800 single private aviation on all of the Hawaiian islands, helicopters, 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.480 airplanes everywhere around, so nobody could take off and fly 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.440 over and take pictures of his wedding on the twelfth 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.200 Green at Minnelli. I mean, that's that's the ultimate financial 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.960 flex that I could think of. Memo to Bill Gates, 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.680 we don't care. Nobody really wants those photos of Bill. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.360 You're not Tiger Woods at Sandy Lane. Come on, Yeah, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.160 that's true, that's fair. But he did it anyway, Like 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.560 I just I just respected the flex, like the entire 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.680 fleet of all. But you'd have to come from Seattle 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.040 or l A if you wanted to film my uh 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.360 film my wedding. So I thought that was pretty cool. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.680 Just got back from Piner's, played the Dormy Club for 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.880 the first time, which was really really fun. Uh. That 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.440 was you know, they just that whole Dormy Now we're 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.240 starting up and we played the Dormy Club, which is 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.880 five ten minutes outside of pine Hurst. That was a 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.840 really really special experience. Have you played Tobacco Road? I 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.000 have not. In fact, we were debating, no, let's see 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.120 the hold on, hold on now, hold on. We were 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.640 debating whether or not we were gonna go because we 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.400 we had this one extra day. We were either gonna 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.760 go to Tobacco Road or the Dormy Club. And so 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.360 we decided to go to the Dormy Club. And next time, 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.080 I promise you we will hit Tobacco Road, because that 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.200 that was the other option. You chose poorly, But I 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.680 mean Tobacco Road to be and unfortunately everyone's discovered it 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.720 and it's become it's become very trendy. But I'm a 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.640 Mike's trance guy. I wrote a big story about it 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.920 for for Golf magazine years ago, and that, to me 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.200 is the wildest golf course ever made by God or man, 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.560 and I obviolutly love it. It's too polarizing for Michael 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.480 would probably hate it. But well that's the thing. That's 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.120 why every you either love Tobacco Road or you hate it. 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.240 So Michael, where are you on that one? I haven't been, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.080 but I'm sure Alan will get me there before for 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.400 too long day may ask you a quick question about 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:07.199 the gonna need a bigger boat sign behind your head. Now, that, 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.239 of course is a reference to Jaws, as I know, 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.240 but it does refer to the movie or is it 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.920 some other reference for you? No, that's a yeah that 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.560 we we got an uh Chatham, Massachusetts up in Cape 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.119 Cod And of course they filmed the They filmed the 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.920 movie Jaws off Martha's Vineyard. So yeah, that's absolutely and 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.160 omag ship Jaws the Movie're Gonna need a pick a boat. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.360 That is a deeply accurate comment when you say off 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:32.240 Martha's Vineyard, because a lot of it was aquatic. Uh, 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.040 but many of the scenes were shot in the village 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.040 of Edgar Town. It's it's it's steered to me because 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.280 my first newspaper job was on the Vineyard Gazette and 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.159 Martha's Vineyard. And uh so some of the extras, a 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.040 lot of the extras in that movie were people that 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.119 I knew. Uh. My country doctor was the country doctor 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.720 in the movie. Sheriff huck Look was in the uh. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.280 And there's a wonderful golf course that our recommend to 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.440 any of you, um, if you can get over there. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.040 It's a nine hole. It's a little hard to get onto, 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:59.359 but I think Jeff would be able to add know 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.280 about the other the others of us. Um, it's called 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.920 the Eggertown Golf Club. It's a nine holes. It's back 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:09.119 to I would think, and uh, really tiny greens and 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.440 tiny bunkers and big lips, and it moves and it's sandy. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.880 It's really a jump those a great level up nine 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.240 hole golf course. I think it's called Camera what's calling 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.240 They just it's up in trural mass and uh, it's 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.080 actually you can play it as a team, but it's 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.840 just using different teams. But it's a nine holes right 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.080 across the right next to the National Sea Shore right there. Obviously, Uh, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:32.760 it's a public course. They don't have the money to 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.359 keep it up on you. But but the layout is 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.000 absolutely fantastic. It's got some really great holes right along 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.080 the National Sea Shore there. You know what's so funny 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.040 about this conversation is they just re released Jaws on 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.159 the big screen in three D. And I took my 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.560 fourteen year old son and three of his buddies on 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.040 Friday night, and they kind of knew what it was, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.160 but they didn't really know. And They were riveted because 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:58.760 it's it's very much a psychological, suspenseful movie. It's not 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.280 just people getting chewed up spit out like any modern 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.080 take on the movie would be. And they were super 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.879 into it. So well, yeah, you didn't see the shark 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:11.280 until like sixty seventy minutes into the movie. Great point, Yeah, exactly, Jeff, 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.480 was Jaws a big movie in Australia? Are you kidding? 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:19.040 Jaws was a Tuesday in Australia. That's a day that 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.879 ends in Ye. Yeah, we've got some shocks. But you 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.720 obviously love the movie because you've thought about your studio 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:30.119 set up man and you've chosen Jaws as the the 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.640 main theme to your studio. So well done. Um. Yeah, 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.840 sharks are It's just part of being in Australian really, 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.920 Like they're just fish, just giant, enormous fish that will 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.960 kill you. What Jews did do is it stopped Australian 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.280 tourism for a while. I think if the Australian Tourism Board, 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.119 even though the shock was in the US, everyone and 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.080 everyone you meet around the world it's like, I'd love 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.080