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Speaker 1: When I played New South Wales absolutely blew my mind.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was maybe the most spectacular and possibly

423
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Speaker 1: the hardest golfer has ever played off the tea. I

424
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: just felt like every hole you're standing there and you

425
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 1: had to hit it over a hill and threaded between

426
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 1: this and that, and like, I mean, I love the challenge.

427
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't totally up to it, but it was just

428
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 1: I thought, what was absolutely incredible championship. Of course it's

429
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 1: not one that gets discussed like Royal Melbourne or Kingston Heath.

430
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Speaker 1: I mean, what is your feelings about about New South Wales.

431
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 1: I think it's incredible. Yeah, it's a minute. It depends

432
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Speaker 1: on the day you play. I mean you probably played

433
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Speaker 1: windy days when you were playing there. It's generally windy. Uh,

434
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Speaker 1: It's it's incredible. It's a little bit uh fiddly. I

435
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: think for us, now how far we hit it, there's

436
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: a couple of holes you've got to sort of take

437
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 1: some really weird, crazy lines on because the kind of

438
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: technology has grown out of it for professionals probably um

439
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 1: and we've had some Australian opens and we had one.

440
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: We had a wind delay and stuff. So there's like

441
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,479
Speaker 1: sort of logistic issues to that. Um. But it's an

442
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: incredible place. When you play the first few holes, you like,

443
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: this place is pretty good, and you come over the

444
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 1: whole either the hill on five and you just see

445
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing in the ocean and all that. It's

446
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: just like what I've sort of delayed reveal to the day,

447
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: you know. And then you hang along the ocean, you

448
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: go back in and you go back towards the ocean

449
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: and it's a little bit like pebble, like that delayed

450
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: reveal when you walk off the fourth team and you

451
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: sort of get past the structure and all of a

452
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: sudden it's all there in front of you. It's um. Yeah,

453
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: in New South Wales is untalked about. I mean Mackenzie

454
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 1: went there to he had a bit of an influence there. Um.

455
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the sand Belt just gets

456
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: the it just gets the credit so much because of

457
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: role Melbourne and Kingston, Heathan the supporting cast, I think. Um.

458
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: And there's that Melbourne Sydney sort of thing which is

459
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: a bit like uh, New York Boston sort of thing

460
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: going on that we don't talk about Sydney wear and Melbourne.

461
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: They're not relevant in the golf since you know, But yeah,

462
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: New South Wales is fantastic. Another one I played when

463
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: I was over there was Hamilton's Island. Now that was

464
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 1: a fun golf course, like the only the only thing

465
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: on the island is the golf course and the pro shop,

466
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing else on the it's it's not even

467
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 1: on Hamilton Islands. On a separate you take a ferry

468
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 1: from Hamilton's Island across this channel to get to the

469
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: island where the golf courses and like the drive from

470
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: the seventeenth green to the eight tea, I sweart of

471
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Speaker 1: got it took ten fifteen minutes in the golf like

472
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: there's nothing else on this island. It was. I was like,

473
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Speaker 1: am I lost it? Am I being punked? It took

474
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Speaker 1: that long? But it was it was a really interesting

475
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: layout over there. How many balls did you lose? More

476
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Speaker 1: than I care to talk about on this podcast. Um,

477
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: there's still come over. You catch the boat from Hamilton Island,

478
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: the main island, and you get a little boat across

479
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: the golf course and like try says, it's the only

480
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: it's the only thing on the island and they'll ast

481
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Speaker 1: you how many balls you've got and if you only

482
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: have a dozen balls, and like when you better buy

483
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: a couple more dozen because you're gonna be coming back

484
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: in mids and more. And there's um under the stories

485
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: about four or five or six seven dozen balls. They

486
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: were coming in after six holes to get more balls.

487
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: It's like if you missed the faila, you've lost well.

488
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: And they also have this sign up that says, do

489
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Speaker 1: not go look for your ball because every poisons thing

490
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,479
Speaker 1: you can possibly think of exists on this island, So

491
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: do not go into the weeds. Now humans, lots of

492
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: snikes trade. Did you get to to King Island? Um?

493
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: You know it's kind of happay between Melbourne and Tazzi. No,

494
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: I didn't. And the one, the one thing that the

495
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Speaker 1: white whale on my list right now is Terry Eatie.

496
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: Like I I need to find a way to get

497
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Speaker 1: to And I know there's a bunch of great golf

498
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: courses in New Zealand. I understand that, but you know,

499
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of videos of Terry Eadie and

500
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: it just looks incredible. So I've gotta I've gotta figure

501
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: out that's that's the next one on the on the checklist.

502
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: I've got to find a way to get to terry Etie. Yeah, well,

503
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's only forty five minutes from

504
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: the Auckland airport, so it's quite accessible once once you

505
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: get to the New Zealand if you want to get

506
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: getting to New Zealand. Park's part. That's the hard part.

507
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like from Auckland, it's not a problem. It's

508
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: the going from the United States to New Zealand does

509
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: the issue. Yeah, okay, that's the issue. But you shouldn't

510
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: at this point. You should wait another year two because

511
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: they're building two more courses things. And yeah that I

512
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: said about seven Mile Beach, that's um, that's Mike Clayton production,

513
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: isn't it, Jeff, Like in Tasmania. Yeah, it's worth fighting

514
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: probably a year or so because there's a couple more

515
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: coming along. You can do an unbelievable sort of coastal

516
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: golf course to it down here. Um, Tarradi is definitely

517
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: worth it. I feel like there's probably a couple of

518
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: footballers are members. It's very lots of American members of Tarradi,

519
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: so you can find your way in there. But that's

520
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: the beauty of it. I mean, they say, like they

521
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: realize how special the place is that if you just

522
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: get a letter from your club you can go over

523
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: there and play, because, like I said, you're not gonna

524
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: get over there very often. So they do allow you

525
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: to play, but only once, Trey, you can only play once.

526
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: So like we're sort of kidding ourselves because we went

527
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: over and played it a couple of years ago and

528
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: it was phenomenal. But now these other ones are coming

529
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: online which will be public, so they're they're but they're

530
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: the original tart they say is going to be like

531
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: our Cyprus Point and these next two will be like

532
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: our Pebble and our spy Glass. So that's super cool. Um,

533
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not of some members. I'll get you

534
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: on okay. That's that's a verbal commitment. That's a contract.

535
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: That is a verbal contract from Jeff Ogilvie and I'm

536
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: holding him to it. Um. I played North Barron a

537
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: few years ago. That was pretty special too. In gold

538
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: that one man that was a cool golf course. It's

539
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: top five in my list. Jeff, Let's let's hear yours

540
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: not to put you on the spot. But you are

541
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: not only a better golfer than three of us, you

542
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: are a very refined eye and you actually build golf courses.

543
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: So I've never asked you what your your favorite courses are.

544
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: I could probably guess, but let me hear it from you. Um,

545
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: well you I don't know. Uh. It's so subjective, right,

546
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: Like these golf course ranking lists are so ridiculous. Um,

547
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as the best golf course. Um No,

548
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: I didn't say best, I just said favorite, because that's

549
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: a little I'm just putting some Uh. I don't want

550
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: anyone to hold me to any lists. This is not

551
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: a ranking. Um. My favorite place to play in the world. Well,

552
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: the places that I've had enjoyed my game of golf,

553
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: the most number one is win Lee Forest UM, just

554
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: west of London Um, near Sunningdale. It was Harry Colt

555
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: who did all those sort of heath land courses in

556
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: London Um had a lot to do with Pine Valley

557
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: and he called it in his book his Least Bad Course,

558
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: which I thought was a cool description, very humble man

559
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: fantastic place. It's like a mini Pine Valley. It's like

560
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: really small, it's probably only might not even be six

561
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: thousand yards, um, way too small. But to go out

562
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: with a little half set and a little leather carry

563
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: bag and walk along with your Cocca Spaniel, it's like

564
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: just the perfect golf experience for me. Um, that's the red,

565
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: that's the one off to the side. I think Pine

566
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: Valley is an incredible golf experience. Um, you go with,

567
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: you go with your boys, you go stay overnight. It's

568
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: it's the whole experience of Pine Valley. The course is

569
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: really great. I think it's probably not very democratic because

570
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: I think unless you're a good a really good player,

571
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna find it too hard. Um. It's

572
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: so visually intimidating though. Right like, for example, the second

573
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: hall of Pine Alley, there's just all the ship on

574
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: the left side, all the ship on the right side,

575
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 1: but the fairways fifty you are to wide. But in

576
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: your eye all you see is what I can't hit

577
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: it here. I can't hit it here. You know. Yeah,

578
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: it's tough and you're gonna be long, and so that's

579
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: it's clearly an unbelievable achievement in building a golf course.

580
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: Um Bine Valley, and it's amazing. Look, I mean Shinnacock National.

581
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: The whole sort of Southampton area is incredible. UM. Carmel obviously, Cyprus.

582
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: Cyprus is one of my favorites. UM. I love golf

583
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: in the Carolinas in general, at the pontost area. There's

584
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: so many good golf courses around there, But the Old Course. Probably,

585
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: if you get me one course to play for the

586
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: rest of my life, it would have to be the

587
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: Old Course. I just think it's better every time I

588
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: play it, even though I've played it fifty or sixty times. Probably, Um,

589
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: it's why golf is a sport. Like North Barracks along

590
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: there with it, um, Press Wicks along there with it.

591
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: But I think the Old Course, if you just look

592
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: at it from every single angle where. We talked about

593
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: it around the Open and stuff a lot. But it's

594
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: why the sport is the sport, and it's why it's

595
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: such a so great, such a great sport, and it's

596
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: been so enduring. I think if it, if it's started

597
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 1: a different way, UM, Gulf would look very different. But

598
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: it was that whole thing. If if you just change

599
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: the direction of something right at the beginning, it makes

600
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: a big difference at the end got the Sandrew's pointed

601
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: as often a pretty good direction, and I just love

602
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: the town. And ah, you could live there to us

603
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: three months a year and just play there every morning,

604
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: you'd be pretty happy. What what do you about Kingsbarnshi

605
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: out of curiosity, it's a it's a it's Kingsparn's is great.

606
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: I think it was um a hundred years old. People

607
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: would probably give it a bit more respect, you know,

608
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: but it feels like it's been around for a hundred

609
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: and fifty years. I mean that when you walk on

610
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: that golf course and you say it was open in

611
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: two thousand, it's hard to believe it really is, because

612
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: usually the new links just leave you like, you know,

613
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: like it's just a bit they're trying a bit too hard.

614
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: Um Kingsmarns. Yeah, they nailed it there. That's really cool.

615
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: It's really cool property the way I kind of like

616
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: the two loop, so you go out and back, then

617
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: out and back um club bass in the middle. Yeah,

618
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: it's stunning viewers, incredible up on the hill. Quite a

619
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: dramatic land for links. Yeah, kings Bontin is really really

620
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: cool for a new one. Note that I'm not asking

621
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: Michael for his list of favorite golf courses because they'd

622
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: be all these esoteric munis that none of us ever

623
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: heard of, So we don't even need to go down

624
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: the out courses off on his list. Yeah, I think

625
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: they'll of course stup on his list too, But that's

626
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: all that is a UNI course in fairness. But yeah,

627
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: what it is, the MUNI course in fairness. And I

628
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: appreciate your your insight and it's it's an accurate one.

629
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: But also I refused to participate in the discussion when

630
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: there's any of the panelists referred to h s Henry

631
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Cole as Harry, they're already in such a lead beyond me.

632
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: I didn't even know. I didn't even know a living

633
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: person could call. So that's totally fair. Um, you know trade.

634
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: One thing I was thinking about when looking looking forward

635
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: to this conversation is, as you know, this is a

636
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: time of great upheaval in the professional golf landscape and

637
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: apparel like it's made a lot is between the USFL.

638
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: It's it's uh, it's founding and trying to trying to

639
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: siphon away talent from the NFL. I need to read

640
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: Jeff Perlman's book and do a little more research on

641
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: the whole topic, But what is your take on on

642
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: that era as as as a scholar of football, What

643
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: can we what can we learn from the demise of

644
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: the USFL, And how can you extrapolate all this too

645
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: to live golf in the PGA tour well without getting

646
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: too political. Donald Trump was involved in both of them,

647
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: so you know, you know Trump. Trump's big move with

648
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: the USFL was let's go up against them in the fall,

649
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: and it turned out to be an absolute disaster. They

650
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: won the lawsuit for a dollar. You know, congratulations, you

651
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: won three bucks because it was an anti lawsuit and

652
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: you got a trouble and so big win huge um. Look, no, no,

653
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: it's pronounced huge huge you w uh. Here's look, if

654
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: you want to go play in the Lift Tour, fine,

655
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: if you want to enjoy it, fine, But like I

656
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: guess I would say, I don't think it had to

657
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: be this way, Like I've never understood the tours sort

658
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: of going to the mattresses mantra here right, Like to me,

659
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 1: uneasy piece is always better than all out war. And

660
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, Jamnahan and everybody tried to shame people into

661
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: staying and that didn't work, and then they tried to

662
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: penalize people for leaving that didn't work and for all

663
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: the stuff that you know, as you well know, Alan

664
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: Phil got in trouble for. You know, it's amazing that

665
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: when this Lives Tour started happening, a lot of things

666
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: that a lot of players wanted to change ontour miraculously happened.

667
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, well we found eighty million dollars.

668
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: We don't know where this was from, and hey, let's

669
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: do this and do that. So whether or not you

670
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 1: like or don't like the Lip Tour, that's fine, that's

671
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: your perspective. But I think it did force the PGA

672
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: Tour to change, and I don't think that's gonna be

673
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: a bad thing. Yeah, that's interesting. Well I appreciate you know,

674
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: you we're all in our little bubbles and echo chambers,

675
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: so you just speak for a kind of a hardcore

676
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: golf fans that that's an interesting perspective. But what is

677
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: the legacy the uf USFL? Did it? Did it change

678
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: football in any way? No? Now, the NFL squashed it.

679
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean there were there weren't There weren't any innovations,

680
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, there weren't any there weren't things that. It

681
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: was just another opportunity for places people to go. And like,

682
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, great great players like Reggie White started out

683
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: in the USFL. Steve Young, my high school quarterbacks, started

684
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: out in the USFL. Like when he got a forty

685
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: million dollar contract, uh you know uh in nineteen eighty three,

686
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: that was unheard of. Of course Steve would always say yeah,

687
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: but it was paid out over forty years, you know,

688
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: and he never saw any of that money. Um. I

689
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: guess the difference there is on the live tour. It's

690
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: all up front, right, They're they're throwing it all up front.

691
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: I do find it interesting too that whenever it lived,

692
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: golf is marketing this stuff and they put stuff out

693
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: on social media. It's almost never about the golf. It's

694
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: about a party. It's about look at this great food,

695
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's about I don't quite understand that if

696
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: you're trying to draw me in with a golf, why

697
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: are you putting everything on social media about lobster tails

698
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: and champagne. That's the part I can't quite figure out.

699
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: Trade the way sport, the direction, the way sports broadcasting

700
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: is going. Is it possible that you could have a

701
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: sports league, a very narrow sports league like Live Golf,

702
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: and have it be successful only as a YouTube channel.

703
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: And I say that having actually watched some of I

704
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't use the word actually, but having watched some of

705
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: the broadcast yesterday of the of the Boston event, and

706
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: it was good. I was surprised how good it was. Well, listen,

707
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: it's it's it is good, right, I mean, And I

708
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: think one of the things that we like about it

709
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: is the thing that that it speaks to what you're

710
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: just talking about. There are no commercials. It's constant action.

711
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: If they do get a television network deal, which I

712
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: think they will, um, that will change, you know, like

713
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: everybody is up in arms about the playing through stuff.

714
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: Uh you know when we go through on the Golf

715
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: channel on NBC. Well, it's just constant action on the

716
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: Lift Tour. And one of the reasons it's constant action

717
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: is because they don't have to throw at any commercials.

718
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: And remember, you know, people like, well, how can this

719
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: survive as a business entity. That's not the point. I mean,

720
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: they're not trying to build a successful business. They're trying

721
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: to establish a brand, and they have unlimited funds in

722
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: which to do so so you know, like, can it

723
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: sustain this way? Yeah, they can sustain it as long

724
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: as they freaking want to because they have more money

725
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: than they know what to do with. Um. There they

726
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: are parts of the live thing that I don't have. Yeah,

727
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: I think are fun, like the I like the idea

728
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: of the shotguns are you look, especially the Scottish Open

729
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: this year. The difference I think in the in the

730
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: early to late and late to early window for the

731
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: first couple of days was a dramatic difference in scoring.

732
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: So that part I understand. I think a lot of

733
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: players like the team concept part of it. Um. I

734
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: know Pat Perez does, uh, you know who's out there

735
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: shot and makes a ton of money. Um. So that

736
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: there are parts of it I think that are interesting

737
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: and and are are are fascinating to watch, you know.

738
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: And that what that t GL thing, that that that

739
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour is gonna do, that's basically top golf.

740
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: Alan We're gonna Allen, We're gonna have to have a

741
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: golf off between Trey and Uh and in Jeff and

742
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: Uh because these two guys know we're golf than you

743
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: would die and Jeff together, not Jeff ogilvie um part

744
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: of me. I'm just having a moment here. Jeff. The

745
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: former legal analysts Jeff two, Jeff two are Jeffrey, Jeff Trey.

746
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: We had Jeff Tubanan recently. I'm sure you know the name.

747
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: You may not know, but he is also really really

748
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: passionate golf fan and follows it as c place you do.

749
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: The fact that you know about the weather shift of

750
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: the Scottish Open actually freaks me out, but that's a well,

751
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: it's a true thing though. I mean, like you know,

752
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: especially in the Open, and Jeff Will attested this, where

753
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: you are on the weather draw half the time makes

754
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: up whether or you're gonna be around on the top

755
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: of the leaderboard. Absolutely, you know, I mean, don't that

756
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: what's great about it? Yes, you're right, you're a hunter.

757
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: Like Sergio used to complain about that all the time,

758
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, Like I remember the two thousands of the

759
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: US Open at Bethpage when it was raining so hard,

760
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: and Sergio actually said, well it was Tiger out there,

761
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: they would have stopped it. And I was like, all right,

762
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: just waggle some more and move on, you know what

763
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: I mean. That's when he that's when he couldn't pull

764
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: the trigger. You know, he's just doing this a hundred

765
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: fifty times, and the folks at Bethpage we're getting on him.

766
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: So uh there, Look, the Live Tour isn't going away

767
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: like I think we can all agree on that. It's

768
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. So the question is do you want

769
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: to be in a constant battle with it or you

770
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: want to try and find a way to make it

771
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: all work together. Jeff, I'm curious of you. You're such

772
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: a purist. Do you love everything about golf? But would

773
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: you would you grumble about the draw at the Open sometimes?

774
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Or is that is that is the time never got

775
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: a good draw? That's part of it. It's part of

776
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: the Open, It's part of what it charms. But it

777
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: doesn't have to happen forty times a year. It's a

778
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: room for different stuff, right. I think there's an opportunity

779
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: to make the big tournaments bigger by having a little

780
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: bit of silliness softer decide. I mean, not that lives silly,

781
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: but it's different. Um, the shotgun starts great, like Trey says,

782
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: when it's ont of network. It might be different with

783
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: the ads, but the shotguns start combined with the team thing,

784
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: Like you see more golf in an hour and a

785
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: live broadcast, and you're doing three hours on a normal

786
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: to a broadcast, just shot after shot after shot after

787
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: shot after shot. Because there's not only interest in the winners.

788
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yesterday was, UM, Boston was. There's a lot

789
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: of guys in it, and there's not always gonna be

790
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in it coming down a stretch,

791
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: but there's, um, the team thing. And the team thing

792
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: is so volatile. It's so much more interesting than a

793
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: stroke play event when a guy's six in front or

794
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: five in front and nothing happens for the last four

795
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: hours and you can come in and out every half

796
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: an hour and just check that he's still four in front. Um,

797
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: the volatility of that team thing is really cool. Um,

798
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: I'd go harder on the team team, and I would

799
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: drift away from individual golf a little bit and go

800
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: harder on the team thing. I think, Um, there's plenty

801
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: of room in fifty two weeks a year to have both,

802
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: you know, UM, and I think the team thing it's

803
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: got something going for it. I mean, I don't know

804
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: if the way it's being played will get people will

805
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: be buying jerseys and merchandise and like saying I'm of

806
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: all about this team or that team or DJ's team

807
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: is gonna win this week and all that. But I

808
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: think if you if they pushed that a little bit harder,

809
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I think the team thing's got a

810
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: lot of merit. I mean, look the best too, or

811
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: at least the two of the most interesting tournaments and

812
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: go for the Ryder Cup and the President's Cup. Um,

813
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: like trade started at the start, It's like, there's no

814
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: reason you couldn't have a professional league match player. I mean,

815
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: let's bring match play back a little bit. I mean,

816
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: I just think there's room for both. UM and I

817
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: think what we don't need forty weeks a year with

818
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: the same thing. I think if you actually had less

819
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: of that, they would actually be more important. You know

820
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: that the real golf isn't going to go win the

821
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: Open with the weird drawer and the twelve hour gap

822
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: between first and last daytime. And that's like Cam Smith

823
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: to pick a live flare. Um, that's just the pinnacle

824
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 1: of golf. But you don't need to try to match

825
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: the pinnacle of golf every week because that's sort of

826
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: undermanding the pinnacle of golf. You know, I need there's

827
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: room for everything. Well, and the team aspect can be

828
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: even more compelling is that they're they're already sort of

829
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: unofficially grouping guys by nationality. So if you have an

830
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: Aussie team that's camp Smith and Mark Leishman and you

831
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: know a couple other guys. Um, I think people in

832
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: Australia are gonna be more. They're gonna care about a

833
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: little bit more and the silly names and stuff fall

834
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: by the wayside. If if they're were, if they've got

835
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: it as there are some weird there are some weird names.

836
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: Let's just be understand. There are some weird names. There

837
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: are some weird This is like the beta test. I mean,

838
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: next year the teams are gonna look, it's gonna be

839
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: very different, different names, different branding, because they're gonna be

840
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: much more baked in and it will be for the

841
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: whole year. Whereas they keep adding and subtracting parts this year,

842
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: so it's all been a little wonky, but it'll be.

843
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: It'll be much more baked out next year. And without

844
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: question it's gonna be You're gonna have a South African

845
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: team and Australian team. You can have a Latin American team, um,

846
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, go on down the list, and I think

847
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: they'll probably an all English team, you know. I think

848
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: that will just generate. It becomes essentially like the World

849
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: Cup right in some ways, and I think that becomes

850
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: a natural South African team. I mean there's that. You

851
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: can already see how it's getting organized, and I think

852
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: that will that will drive interest a little bit more

853
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: because uh, you know, there's there's tons of fans out there.

854
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: They've they've been cheering for Mark Leashman and Cal Smith

855
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: forever and I think they'll they'll probably be okay transfer

856
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: in their allegiance more than they would if it was

857
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: just an individualistic kind of pursuit. I mean, that would

858
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: both help pach O, that wouldn't I if if the

859
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: two of Mike and find us and then Live creates

860
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: a different product to what I mean. They have a

861
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: great tour season and then they go across to their

862
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: team and it's like, well, we're excited because he had

863
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: such a great season, Like it's got going to be

864
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: in our team this year and stuff. I think Trade

865
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: says they've gotta work together because they're not going anywhere.

866
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: They're going anywhere. They're not going anywhere, and why why

867
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: not take advantage? I mean, there's there's a there's advantages

868
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: for both sides to sort of embrace the other side. Jeff,

869
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: when you speak of that kind of scenario, do you

870
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: envision of thirty weeks of pg A tour and then

871
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: fifteen weeks of live or UM with the two intermingled,

872
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: or have one rent and then go to the other tour.

873
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: How would that play out in your mind? I don't know.

874
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: That's for smarter people than me. Um, who's smarter than you?

875
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: Come on? I don't know, Um, I just know there's

876
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: room for both. I know forty weeks a year of

877
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: sending me to a whole stroke players boring, Um, like

878
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: it's just too much. The ratings are all full, No

879
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: one really, I mean the tournament doesn't get interesting if

880
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: it does get interesting until about an hour ago. Um,

881
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: there's rude. I don't know how it fits into the

882
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: landscape that may just need to stay where they are.

883
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: I think that that's sort of from a US sense,

884
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: playing outside of football season makes the most sense, um.

885
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: And then I think the live the live sort of

886
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: the team concept would be better if it was all

887
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: back to back to back or all in one point

888
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: of the year. I would think, Um, I think, I mean,

889
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: I'd love to see you the BG to have played

890
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: January too, the start of football at the end of

891
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: August or something, and then everybody I just have had it,

892
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: just come up with stuff that's fun, you know. Yeah,

893
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: you're right. Used to start a couple and then end

894
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: in in September, and then we had the silly season, right,

895
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: That's the way it used to be. And I think

896
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: they're going back to that a little bit. They're still

897
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: gonna be those crossover uh PG twour starter events for

898
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: ack of a better term, in the fall, but I

899
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: think we're gonna see that return to the calendar year season.

900
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: I never understood the crossover season anyway. I was trying

901
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: to figure out why they thought that was a good idea.

902
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: The wraparound sometimes the reach around, but that's a different

903
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: that's a different dynamic really, So that's a different podcastcast.

904
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: So before we let we let you go trade, give

905
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: give us a couple of your favorite NFL stories. Obviously,

906
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: there's there's so many football fans for a listening here

907
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: that they'd love to ask you, you know, the proverbial,

908
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh you're the bar they wander up to trade. Tell

909
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: us what great NFL story from from the from your

910
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: years on on the beat, Any favorite ones? Yeah, there's

911
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: a million of them. I mean, like I'm trying to

912
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: think of the when I put you on the spot here. No,

913
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: it's all it's good. I think the one I can

914
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: share not get myself in trouble. You can share that

915
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: one lack of better term, you know, Like there's a

916
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: there's a million different things that go on. Like like,

917
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: for example, one of the reasons I started the Half

918
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: Forgotten History podcast is because of what we're talking about

919
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: here right, Like there's a million stories that we talk about,

920
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: whether we were at a Super Bowl week together or

921
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: just in the green room that never made it on

922
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: the air. And like for for the Temple, I'll give

923
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: you there some Super Bowl forty one, Peyton Manning finally

924
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: beats Tom Brady in the a f C Championship Game

925
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: and he knows his legacy is never going to be

926
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: complete until he wins a Super Bowl. So this is

927
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: pre married Peyton Mary. He's just he's he's football. He's

928
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: all football, all the time. So the Cults are finally

929
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: going to their first Super Bowl into the Peyton Manning era,

930
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: and they have a big team meeting before they head

931
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: down from Indianapolis to Miami for the week. And you know,

932
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: everybody's there. The players are there, the families are there,

933
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: the kids are there, everybody's it's a big communal thing.

934
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: And Peyton gets up there in front of everybody, in

935
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: front of the players, their wives, their children, says, look,

936
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: this is a freaking business trip. I don't want to

937
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: have any kids running around of the hall. We go.

938
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna win the damn game. I'm gonna be distracted

939
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: by anything. And Jeff Saturday, who is his center and

940
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: is his best friend on the team, his wife is

941
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: holding his hand and crushing his hand as he's listening

942
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: to Peyton say all this stuff, and Jeff's eyes get

943
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: like this big and he's like, dude, what are you doing.

944
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: So after that whole meeting, Jeff went up to Peyton

945
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: and said, you need to chill the f out or

946
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: we're going to kill you. He almost he almost had

947
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: a mutiny on his hands from his own teammates because

948
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: it was so intensible what had to happen it didn't

949
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: have to happen at the Super Bowl. It's like, I

950
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: don't want to kids on my floor and I'm gonna

951
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: be stragged. Don't want to hear you that. Of course,

952
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: now he's, you know, with the Father of the Year.

953
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: He's going to all his kids flag football games and

954
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. But it was no part

955
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 1: of his background whatsoever. They had to take him off

956
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: the ledge before they got down there, and they finally

957
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: won the game seventeen. He was the m v P

958
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: in Peyton's legacy was secure, but he almost lost the

959
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: team before the even got to Miami. I love that.

960
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: Actually have a funny painting story when when he went

961
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: to the Broncos I was sent out by Sports Illustrated

962
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: to write a story about it for his first game.

963
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: It turned out to be a cover story, and the

964
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: poor you know, Broncos PR guy was overwhelmed by Roatrick. Yes, Patrick,

965
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: you're right. He said to me, you're not gonna get

966
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: any time with Peyton. I'm telling you right now, he's

967
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: not doing anyone on ones. It's a crazy week. I said, Okay,

968
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 1: I understand. So I was just kind of hanging out

969
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: and partaking in the scrums, but on one of them.

970
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: And I almost never wear logos on my clothes up

971
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: kind of anti logo. But uh, I had a Pebble

972
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: Beach pullover and he looked at it and he said, uh,

973
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: you've ever played Pebble Beach. I said yeah, I worked

974
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: there for three summers actually, and he's like, do you

975
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: know so? And so he said, you know r J Harper.

976
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: I said yeah, he was the guy wh hired me.

977
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: He was the head bro. And we had we had

978
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: this little moment and then so after the game, Um,

979
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: I just waited it out and he was getting hustled

980
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: out of there and he's like, hey, Pebble. I was like, hey,

981
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: can ask you all good questions? And he's like, yeah,

982
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: of course. And we student We talked for like seven minutes,

983
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: which is a long time really, and and yeah, poor Patrick,

984
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: I mean he was given me the stink guy the

985
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: entire time, Like I've rarely had daggers thrown at me

986
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: that way. And but those seven minutes made my whole story,

987
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: and it was all because of you know, the Pebble

988
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: Beach conct Peyton. He's got buddies out here. I think

989
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: he might be one of the investors of the company,

990
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: certainly an investor in Sweden's Cove, like he loves golf. So,

991
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: as we were saying at the top, it is a

992
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: universal language. And that was like a crucial, little little

993
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: uh exchange by any means necessary, Alan, by any means,

994
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 1: And it was honestly an accident. Did you ever try

995
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: the technic again? Do you ever put the pebble beach

996
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 1: thing on the morning on nay talking today, I'm gonna

997
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: put yeah, And it did take me any of our tigers. Strangely,

998
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna top your painting story, but it's in

999
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: the It's in the same vein. Um I was writing

1000
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: about Nicholas and uh and Nicholas was playing in the jamboree,

1001
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: the remember event at at Augusta, and his partner was

1002
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: a new member, Peyton Manning. And uh so then you

1003
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: know Payton's And then as you said, Peyton's investor in

1004
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: Sweden's Cove. So I mentioned Peyton Manning. So Payton Manning

1005
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: has worked in my stories various times. And uh so,

1006
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: Paytons he has made Augusta. And you know because one

1007
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: of these he says, I've noticed every time you you

1008
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: write my name it goes like this. Peyton Manning Comma

1009
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 1: a member of Augustina National. Comma. He says, I'm gonna

1010
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: make you a deal. I'm going to give you an

1011
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: interview whenever you want, if you agree to Sometimes not right,

1012
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning Comma, a member of Augustin National. And I

1013
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: don't consider I don't consider this story of violation of

1014
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: the terms of the deal because it's verbal and not really.

1015
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's cool that he's reading the stories like

1016
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: you gotta love that because he's a great guy. No,

1017
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: he really is. And uh yeah, he loves the game.

1018
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: He loves the game. Some of you might be listening

1019
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: to this podcast. There's our colleague matched It Did It

1020
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: Didn't a really fun two part podcast about the mother

1021
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: of all of golf buddies trips around the Open Championship

1022
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: at St. Andrews that Peyton and his brothers are part of.

1023
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: And it's a great listen. I would encourage you to

1024
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: check it out. It'll give you a lot insight into

1025
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: Peyton and his whole crew and um but anyway that

1026
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: what else do you have trade? Give us one more

1027
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: and then you're out of here. Oh you put me

1028
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: on the spot. Um, I know what you like? Pressure,

1029
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: I do, I do? I do? Uh kind of think? Um,

1030
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: all right, like this is sort of off the beaten path.

1031
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 1: But it's Super Bowl forty two. The Patriots are trying

1032
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: to beat the trying to you know, trying to pull

1033
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: off the perfect season. They end up losing to the Giants. Well,

1034
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: if you do postgame in a Super Bowl, like halfway

1035
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: through the fourth quarter, and I was doing postgame that year,

1036
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: they heard you all down to go down on the field,

1037
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, in one wave at a time altogether, but

1038
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: you can't watch the game. So I am now traveling

1039
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: to go watch the end of the game to find

1040
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: out what happens. And I can't see the game. So

1041
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: I called my friend Mark Shlaira who I still work

1042
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: with on a lot of platforms. Now. I said, Mark,

1043
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: you've gotta walk me through what's happening in the fourth quarter.

1044
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: This is the drive or you know, Eli leads into

1045
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: the game winning touchdown with like thirty seven seconds to play.

1046
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what's happening? Well, okay, uh, Giants had

1047
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: the ball and it looks like you're in a three

1048
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: man over protection schame. I'm like, Mark, because Mark's former

1049
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: offensive was like, shut up, I don't want to tell

1050
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Speaker 1: about the blocking scheme. Look at the ball, follow the

1051
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: ball and tell me what happens to go. Okay, guy

1052
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: Eli drops back, almost get sacked, completion over the middle,

1053
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: first down. Great. And then I'm like Mark inside the stadium.

1054
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: Now I can see everything. It's great. So I I

1055
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: see Plexico Burrows catch the game when a touchdown. Bass

1056
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: excuse me? So I go and Beline to run talk

1057
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: to him. And I realized I'm the only guy around

1058
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: Plexico Burrows and there's a million people, Yeah, around this

1059
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: guy David Tyree They're like, lose my voice here, David Tyrese,

1060
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: a special teams player, Like why are you talking to him?

1061
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: The play where Mark said Eli runs around voice a

1062
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: sack that was the helmet catch and he never said

1063
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: he never said he caught it with his helm. He's

1064
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: the first down. Like, dude, you're the worst analyst ever,

1065
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: Like you're really good at watching the game, but don't

1066
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: ever ever do play by play because you just screwed

1067
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: me out of the biggest interview I ever could have

1068
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: needed for Plexica. I don't think that interview ever saw air.

1069
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: Never I was the only one. All Why am I

1070
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: the only one talking to the guy that got the

1071
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: touchdown to beat the Patriots. There's a million guys around

1072
00:52:53,640 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 1: that scrub David Tyree. That's awesome. I love it well, Tredy,

1073
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: thank you for doing this. It's absolute pleasure. Yeah, Worries man,

1074
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: I love to Uh. It's great to connect with like

1075
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: the hardcore golf fan. It's it's a it's a tremendous perspective.

1076
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: I could. I couldn't quit the game if I tried,

1077
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: and I tried. I think we all have at some point,

1078
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: probably not Michael, but me and me and Jeff perhaps. Um,

1079
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: every day I quit and then every day you start over.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. All right, Well, um, hit the little red

1081
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: button there, Trey. We're gonna we're gonna do a little

1082
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: Monday morning quarterbacking on your on your performance. So that's

1083
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: something you can look forward to at the end of

1084
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: the podcast. Oh yeah, I'll really look forward to that.

1085
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: I just want you to know. I'll be really excited

1086
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: about that. I can't wait. All right, guys, it was,

1087
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: it was. It was great fun. Thank you, Take it easy, Jeff.

1088
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure man. Good to see man. You know

1089
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: as you were saying Michael's it's amazing how carefully some

1090
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: of the quote unquote fans followed the sport that Scotti

1091
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: show my name was freaky. Yeah, but his his insights

1092
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: are really really good. He knows golf and he knows sport. Jeff,

1093
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: did you follow NFL football closely in your American years? Yeah?

1094
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: When I arrived, I didn't get it, and then uh,

1095
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: it just you can't avoid it. I've worked out pretty

1096
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: early on if I want to talk to any of

1097
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: my peers between about the first of August and February,

1098
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 1: better better than how to talk about football, and I'm

1099
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: let's talk about anything else. Um. So I started watching it.

1100
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean, yeah, I ended up. I mean,

1101
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: college pros the whole thing. Loved it. Played with a

1102
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: bunch of football is lucky enough. I mean, Larry Fitzgerald

1103
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: might be the most enthusiastic golfer in America. Um, good,

1104
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: great scotstal Phoenix guy. He was always around. As I said,

1105
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: I used to play with d A a lot, Um

1106
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: play with Romo a bit. I mean they're fantastic, just

1107
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: just it's just outrageous athletes. I mean, we talk about

1108
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: some athletes and those football is are just done a

1109
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: whole another stratosphere. They're not built normal and just to

1110
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: be around guys like that, I think it's really cool.

1111
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: Um so talented. I mean most people take a lifetime

1112
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: to learn how to hit what they're working out in

1113
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: about a week, you know. Um pretty cool. So yeah,

1114
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: and it's such a perfect isn't it a perfect TV sport?

1115
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about golf and I said, it's incredible.

1116
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: In the Last Sunday the Masters are write a carp

1117
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: or there's some moments in normal tournaments that are compelling viewing.

1118
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: But I mean an NFL game has you captured from

1119
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: the first minute till the end, and it gives you

1120
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: plenty of time to go to the toilet, plenty of

1121
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: time to get to be get a snack. It's just

1122
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: like the perfect TV product, right, I mean, it's just

1123
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: so well put together. Um, you can't help but like it.

1124
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: I think if you watch a few games, you're just

1125
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: gonna help. But like it because it's just such a

1126
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 1: good that's a good product. Well that there's that George

1127
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: Will line about football says it combines two of the

1128
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: worst elements of American life violence followed by committee meetings.

1129
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: But you know, the the huddles in between the plays,

1130
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: it's a little bit. It's a kid to me to

1131
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: like walking between shots, right, There's so there's this little

1132
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: build up, you know, it's these thirty second build ups

1133
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: between every play, and it's just enough time to think

1134
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 1: about what might happen, and the announcers are they're speculating,

1135
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: and you're getting replays and if it was longer, it

1136
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: would be too long, and if it's shorter, they wouldn't

1137
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: be the same anticipation. So somehow it works even though

1138
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: there's essence a lot of dead time. But that's just

1139
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: part of the viewing experience, I guess. But you said

1140
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: you said you had to you had to get into football.

1141
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: But what about hunting and fishing that what would that

1142
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: have provided plenty of fodder for your tour conversations? Well, yeah,

1143
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: I mean I I used to fish a little bit

1144
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: growing up in Melbourne, but fishing, I mean I locked fishing.

1145
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: Whenever it's presented to me, I have a good time,

1146
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: but it's usually about who you're with and what's in

1147
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 1: the cooler. I think more often, Um, hunting, No, that's

1148
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: not my deal. I mean, um, it's less. I think

1149
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,479
Speaker 1: it's less. Hunting and fishing used to be. There's a

1150
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: sort of a section of the locker room on tour

1151
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: that's hunters and fishes. But football is universal, you know,

1152
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: um football and golfing universal. So yeah, fishing a little

1153
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: bit now, hunting certainly football. Oh that was good. That's

1154
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: strong golf course architecture conversations. Yeah, I'm sure that's true, Jeff.

1155
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: At web point and you're developing sophistication, did you start

1156
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: calling Colt Harry? It's always been Harry Carlton. No, I

1157
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Henry s Cole was how I know,

1158
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: And um, that's cool. One of my great friends, Kevin Price,

1159
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: we've been we've been thinking about in an England trip

1160
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: for a long time and it's incredible how many, how

1161
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: many great courses are in that heath land around London

1162
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: and then get down to the coast. I mean, everyone

1163
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: talks about Scotland and Ireland, but pound for Pouder might

1164
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: be more great golf courses in England than either of

1165
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: the other two. Jeff, if you ever played a Royal

1166
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: sports I've played roles sing ports. Yeah, I mean England

1167
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: is great. Um the links I think. I mean, if

1168
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: you're going to just play pure coastal courses, you probably

1169
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: go to Scotland, um. But the heath land courses in

1170
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: the inland courses in England might be some of the best.

1171
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: Um fantastic. I mean the coaster ones are great too,

1172
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I mean sing Ports is great,

1173
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: Bird is great. I mean this goes on in that

1174
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: area down there, singing Ports. You've got Rye and Hastings

1175
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: and um st George's fantastic little pockets um of golf.

1176
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: But I love that that sort of heathland golf, Surry

1177
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: West of London, Sunningdale, the Barkshires, Winley Forests and George's Hill.

1178
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean these places are as good as golf. That

1179
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: there is pleasant and experience as golf can provide, just incredible.

1180
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: I love it all Right. Well, we're gonna bring this

1181
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: Need a Fourth to a close. Uh. It's always it's

1182
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: always good fun. You never know who's gonna wind up

1183
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: on this podcast. We will be um back at it again.

1184
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: Thanks as always for listening and more surprises. A wait,

1185
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm Alan Schipnuk. That's Jeff Ogilvie and Michael Bamberger. This

1186
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: is need a fourth, This is the end. Thanks