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Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson

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Speaker 1: with you and Senator this is a show we get

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Speaker 1: to start. That was something that we thought could happen,

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Speaker 1: but the way it happened was truly incredible. Maduro is

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Speaker 1: now in New York City, not far from where you

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Speaker 1: are in Washington, DC right now. I promise you he

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Speaker 1: didn't think that was gonna happen. And no loss of

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Speaker 1: American life in going in and getting him. God bless

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Speaker 1: our men and women in uniform. They are just incredible

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Speaker 1: heroes right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, we are living in extraordinary times, and what

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Speaker 2: transpired this weekend was extraordinary. It was an incredible act

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Speaker 2: of military might, of military precision. It was an incredible

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Speaker 2: intelligence victory. The US military went in on Saturday into Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: captured Nicholas Maduro, captured his wife, removed them from Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: brought them to New York for criminal prosecution, as you noted,

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Speaker 2: without the loss of even a single American life. That

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Speaker 2: is a big, big deal. It is incredibly complicated to

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Speaker 2: go into a Venezuelan military base. You know, there'd been

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Speaker 2: a lot of talk about about all of the anti aircraft,

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Speaker 2: air defenses that Venezuela had much many of them from Russia.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, the operation was flawless,

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Speaker 2: and I will give an enormous amount of credit to

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Speaker 2: President Trump. President Trump acted decisively in ordering this attack.

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Speaker 2: There was real risk it could have gone badly, and

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Speaker 2: if it had gone badly, that would not have obviously

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Speaker 2: would not have been good. There could have been real

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Speaker 2: loss of life that didn't happen. There were a thousand

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Speaker 2: ways this could have gone wrong, but it was flawlessly executed.

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Speaker 2: And right now, the people of Venezuela are better off,

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Speaker 2: the people of America are better off, and the world

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Speaker 2: is better off. And so what we're going to do

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Speaker 2: on this podcast. There are podcasts that you and I

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Speaker 2: do that I think are particularly important, and I would

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Speaker 2: put this one in that category. We're going to analyze

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Speaker 2: why Venezuela matters so much, why President Trump ordered the

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Speaker 2: military order the FBI to go arrest Maduro, why that matters,

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Speaker 2: and and why both Venezuela and America are better off

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Speaker 2: because of it. And then we're also going to break

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Speaker 2: down not just the geopolitical implications of it, but the

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Speaker 2: legal implications. You're hearing a lot of folks on TV,

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Speaker 2: every Democrat and most of the media are beating their

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Speaker 2: chest saying this is illegal.

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Speaker 3: There's no basis.

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Speaker 2: Trump is the dictator here, and and so we're gonna

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Speaker 2: break down in some real detail the legal basis. I

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Speaker 2: believe the President had the authority to order this arrest.

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Speaker 2: I think it was carried out. Pursue it to the constitution,

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Speaker 2: pursue it to US law. But I'm gonna break down

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Speaker 2: and explain why, and then we're gonna talk also some

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Speaker 2: about what next, what happens in Venezuela next. And I

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Speaker 2: gotta say question three, I think is the most complicated question.

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Speaker 2: It is a question that is rife with risk, but

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Speaker 2: but also has a real potential not just to transform Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: but to transform the entire Western hemisphere. And so this

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Speaker 2: is a moment to be celebrating a great military success,

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Speaker 2: to be optimistic for the future, but also to be

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Speaker 2: cautious because there are a lot of ways that this

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Speaker 2: could go sideways. And so I think it matters a

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Speaker 2: great deal how the administration proceeds in the next three years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see. And

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Speaker 4: we're going to break all that down for you.

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Speaker 1: com all right, So, Senator I want to start with

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Speaker 1: just laying the groundwork here. There has been a lot

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Speaker 1: of media attention acting like this was somehow just the

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Speaker 4: To do this.

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Speaker 1: This was a marathon. It was laid out with indictments.

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Speaker 1: The idea that this was some sort of of quick

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Speaker 1: of America is total insanity. There was incredible military planning

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Speaker 1: that went into this, including building the same structure that

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Speaker 1: they knew they were gonna have to go into. There

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Speaker 1: was CIA on the ground, we were told, and lots

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Speaker 1: of intelligence that was gathered in Venezuela as well. And

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Speaker 1: yet the media tried to say, well, this is just

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Speaker 1: some you know, Dictator Tyrant and Donald Trump going in

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Speaker 1: there and just taking out somebody.

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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: There was a marathon, including conversations directly with Maduro and

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Speaker 1: telling him you've got multiple off ramps which you chose

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Speaker 2: Well, let let let's start with what happened, and then

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about why it happened and what

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Speaker 2: the geopolitical incentives, what the reasons were for going in

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Speaker 2: and capturing Maduro. Then we're gonna talk about the legal basis,

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Speaker 2: and finally we're gonna talk about what happens next. But

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Speaker 2: let's just start with what happened on Saturday, And the

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Speaker 2: best explanation of it that I've seen it is from

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Speaker 2: the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs on nickname Raisin Kane,

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Speaker 2: and he laid out exactly what happened. And this clip

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Speaker 2: it's worth listening to because he lays out with precision

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Speaker 2: what exactly occurred. So listen to the Chairman of the

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Speaker 2: Joint Chiefs, General Kane.

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Speaker 5: This operation, known as Operation Absolute Resolve, was discreete precise,

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Speaker 5: and conducted during the darkest hours of January tewod and

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Speaker 5: was in the culmination of months of planning and rehearsal.

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Speaker 5: We watched, we waited, we prepared, we remained patient and professional.

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Speaker 5: This mission was meticulously planned, drawing lessons from decades of

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Speaker 5: missions over the last many years. Decades are many missions

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Speaker 4: This was an.

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Speaker 5: Audacious operation that only the United States could do. It

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Speaker 5: required the utmost of precision and integration within our Joint Force,

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Speaker 5: and the word integration does not explain the sheer complexity

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Speaker 5: failure is never an option for America's Joint Force. Those

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Speaker 5: the helicopters. Let me talk a little bit about the preparation.

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Speaker 5: After months of work by our intelligence teammates to find

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Speaker 5: his pets? In early December, our force was set pending

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Speaker 5: indicted personnel, so as the President said, they could be

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Speaker 5: brought to justice. And as the President said earlier today,

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Speaker 5: Year's the men and women of the United States Military

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Speaker 5: sat ready, patiently waiting for the right triggers to be

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Speaker 5: the weather broke just enough, clearing a path that only

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Speaker 5: this organization does not quit. At ten forty six pm

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Speaker 5: and we appreciated, mister President, good luck and godspeed, and

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Speaker 5: those words were transmitted to the entire joint Force. Over

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Speaker 5: the course of the night, aircraft began launching from twenty

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Speaker 5: In total, more than one hundred and fifty aircraft, bombers, fighters, intelligence, reconnaissance,

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Speaker 5: As the night began, the helicopters took off with the

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Speaker 5: Extraction Force, which included law enforcement officers, and began their

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Speaker 5: As they approached Venezuelan shores, the United States began layering

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Speaker 5: the apprehension force descended into Maduro's compound and moved with speed, precision,

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Speaker 5: apprehending the indicted persons. On arrival into the target area,

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Speaker 5: the helicopters came under fire, and they replied with that

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Speaker 5: fire with overwhelming force and self defense. One of our

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Speaker 5: As the operation unfolded at the compound, our air and

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Speaker 5: ground intelligence teams provided real time updates to the ground force,

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Speaker 5: Maduro and his wife, both indicted, gave up and were

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Speaker 5: our incredible US military with professionalism and precision, which with

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Speaker 5: no loss of US life. After securing the indicted persons,

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Speaker 5: the force began to prep for departure. Helicopters were called

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Speaker 5: were multiple self defense engagements as the force began to

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Speaker 5: to their afloat launch bases, and the force was over

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Speaker 2: Well and focusing on the bad guys. And you look

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Speaker 4: Late last night and early today.

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Speaker 6: At my direction, the United States Armed Forces conducted an

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Speaker 6: This was one of the most stunning, effective and powerful

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Speaker 1: You listen to that last from the President, like what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Look, look, and this is the opposite of

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Speaker 2: the precision, they hit precisely their target, They destroyed their target.

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Speaker 2: In this instance, the same is true. And let's talk

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important that people understand the why here.

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Speaker 2: So Nicholas Maduro and his wife were both arrested and

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Speaker 2: He had been the number two when Hugo Chavez, a communist,

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Speaker 2: at Venezuela's history in nineteen fifty, where do you think

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Speaker 3: It was number four in the world.

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Speaker 2: Really in nineteen fifty the top four countries for GDP

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Speaker 4: Venezuela because of gold. That's because of gold and oil, right.

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Speaker 2: Gold and oil, enormous natural resources. It was an incredibly

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Speaker 1: So I actually know too much about this. They are

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Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, you're exactly right, they're bigger than

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Speaker 1: No matter what resources you've got, they again screw it up,

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Speaker 1: isn't I mean? I mean, if you think about how

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Speaker 1: And yet this is proof that communism, even with the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chavez and then Maduro after him, destroyed the economy,

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Speaker 2: There also have been dictators and drug dealers, and if

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Speaker 2: you look at Maduro, Maduro came into power initially when

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Speaker 2: Which part of dictator do you not understand? And for

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Speaker 4: He works very Cuba, by the way, with their oil.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't understand that like Cuba desperately

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm absolutely right, and we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: He also Maduro has been very very close to Putin

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Speaker 2: top of that, Maduro has been a major drug dealer

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Speaker 1: But by the way, you mentioned China moment ago, just

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Speaker 1: I mean, imagine you meet with Maduro and then you

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, I mean that was they were literally meeting with

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Actually, one of the best explanations of why Venezuela is

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Speaker 3: Clancy's book series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and this is a clip that's gone viral

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Speaker 3: Give a lesson. Watch the short clip.

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Speaker 7: What would you assume is the most major threat on

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Speaker 3: You don't have to raise your hands.

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Speaker 7: Definitely Russia.

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Speaker 4: Definitely Russia. That's confident.

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Speaker 7: I like her.

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Speaker 4: Who says Russia?

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Speaker 7: Anybody agree with her?

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Speaker 6: And?

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Speaker 7: Okay, right?

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Speaker 3: Who else?

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Speaker 4: China?

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Speaker 7: Stop yelling at me?

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Speaker 3: But China.

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Speaker 4: It's a good answer to anybody. Who else?

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Speaker 5: China?

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Speaker 4: North Korea?

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Speaker 7: North Korea? Any North Korea takers? And Venezuela anybody?

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Speaker 3: Nope?

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Speaker 7: Oh yep, one guy in the back a little worried

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Speaker 4: Everybody's cool with Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: No threat.

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Speaker 7: Okay, let me ask you this, which one of these

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Speaker 7: what about things like gold? More than all the minds

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Speaker 7: So why is this country in the midst of one

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Speaker 7: a history professor turned activist. She's running against him on

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Speaker 7: my humble opinion, just not being an asshole. Analyst predictions

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Speaker 3: If you've never heard that term.

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Speaker 7: Other examples of a failed state in recent history are Yemen, Iraq,

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Speaker 7: Venezuela is also the only one of these places within

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Speaker 7: You will not hear about any of this on the

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Speaker 3: Not want you to to them.

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Speaker 7: Unstable governments are nothing more than the greatest of opportunities.

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Speaker 7: So Russia, China to never be the most major threat

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Speaker 4: To our very own backyard.

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Speaker 1: And that goes back to not only, like you said,

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Speaker 1: got to explain the drug trafficking aspect of this. I

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Speaker 1: well then why didn't he just sell a bunch of oil.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't you just pump a bunch of oil. Why

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: Simplify that, Explain that for people as they understand what

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Speaker 2: So then let me clarify something about that. Jack Ryan clip,

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Speaker 2: he talks about Nicholas Reyes. Nicholas Rayes is a fictional character.

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Speaker 2: That's Tom Tom Clancy, that's Nicholas Maduro. It just they

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Speaker 2: made up rays I guess, you know. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why Clancy didn't use the real guy, but it's fiction,

444
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Speaker 2: so so he made up Rayes.

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Speaker 3: But what he's describing as Maduro is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly the same. The principle is the same.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that Look, it is why Russia, it is

448
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: why China, It's why Iran, It's why HESBLA cares so

449
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: much about Venezuela veastries and also proximity of the United States.

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Speaker 2: It's about two thousand miles away. It's four to five

451
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Speaker 2: hours from Miami to Venezuela. A missile from Venezuela to

452
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Speaker 2: the United States. It is very close for our enemies

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Speaker 2: to attack us from Venezuela. It is in our hemisphere.

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Speaker 2: And you go back to the Monroe Doctrine. Early at

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Speaker 2: the founding of our country, the Monroe doctrine said we're

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Speaker 2: going to protect the western hemisphere, our hemisphere. And that's

457
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Speaker 2: something that President Trump has really leaned in, and in

458
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Speaker 2: fact it's been dubbed now the Donro Doctrine for President

459
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Speaker 2: Trump really enforcing it and going and carrying out carrying

460
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Speaker 2: out this incredible military operation to arrest Maduro. Now you

461
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: asked why aren't they rich. They aren't rich because communism

462
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Speaker 2: doesn't work. Communism is a failed economic system. They were

463
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Speaker 2: rich when capitalism was it was an operation. When capitalism

464
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Speaker 2: was operating, they were produced the oil. The problem is

465
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Speaker 2: when when when they nationalized.

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Speaker 1: An oil production, Well said, can we just explain. There

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Speaker 1: was a point when when people around the world wanted

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Speaker 1: to go to Venezuela because it was such a nice country.

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Speaker 1: It was a safe country. It's beautiful, has beaches. Like

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Speaker 1: I actually talked to Goby. We were older that said,

471
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Speaker 1: we used to go to Venezuela as a vacation spot.

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Speaker 4: It was before this all happened.

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Speaker 1: They're much older now, but they were talking about how

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Speaker 1: beautiful it was and it was.

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Speaker 4: A thriving country.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that killed it is what you're describing

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the communists we have in the United States,

479
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: most notably comrade Mondami in New York, ought to take

480
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Speaker 2: a lesson from what a train wreck, what a disaster

481
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Speaker 2: communism is. We've seen that in Venezuela, We've seen that

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Speaker 2: in Cuba, We've seen that in North Korea, we've seen

483
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: that in the in the Soviet Union, communism doesn't work,

484
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Speaker 2: and it's it's disastrously bad. And and when the government

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00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: nationalized oil production, it turns out that that that that

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Speaker 2: that an authorityitarian government is really bad at producing oil.

487
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: It's incredibly corrupt. It didn't invest in technology, The technology

488
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: all all crumbled, and and and it's in even though

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Speaker 2: it's got massive reserves, its production is a fraction of

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Speaker 2: what it used to be. Uh And and that's a

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Speaker 2: significant reason. You know, one of the the trades that

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Speaker 2: that that that Maduro did and and Chavez before him,

493
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Speaker 2: is a trade with Cuba where where Venezuela provides oil

494
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Speaker 2: to Cuba and Cuba provides manpower, provides thugs, provides soldiers

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Speaker 2: and enforcers that they used to oppress the Venezuelan people,

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Speaker 2: and that trade.

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Speaker 1: In fact, some of those Cubans apparently were supposed to

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Speaker 1: be protecting Maduro when we took him.

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Speaker 2: Uh and and I suspect h some of those bodyguards

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Speaker 2: are no longer with us. We don't have the clear

501
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Speaker 2: tally on that, but but but I'm confident that that

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Speaker 2: although there was no loss of life on the American

503
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Speaker 2: side that those who were defending this corrupt narco terrorist Uh.

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Speaker 3: I think there was was.

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Speaker 2: We'll find out how significant the loss of life was,

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Speaker 2: but I'm confident some of those Cubans are no longer

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Speaker 2: with us. That's why President Trump went in there, because

508
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Speaker 2: you had number one, Venezuela flooding America with drugs. Number

509
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: two Venezuela opening up our hemisphere to enemies of America China, Russia, Iran, Hezbola,

510
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Speaker 2: all posing acute national security threats to the United States.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why we went in there. And also,

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Speaker 2: Venezuela is an incredibly harmful force throughout Latin America, trying

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Speaker 2: to spread communism, trying to spread anti Americanism throughout Latin America.

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Speaker 2: But all right, here's the sixty four thousand dollars question.

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Speaker 3: Is it illegal?

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Speaker 2: If you turn on the TV, just about every academic,

517
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Speaker 2: just about everyone in the media, just about every Democrat says, oh,

518
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: this is horrible, this is illegal. There's no basis. So

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Speaker 2: let's break down. The short answer is, no, it was

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Speaker 2: not illegal. This was fully justified. Now why the administration

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00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: has several justifications. The administration has argued that the President

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Speaker 2: ordered this attack and ordered this apprehension under his inherent

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Speaker 2: authority under Article II of the Constitution.

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Speaker 3: Now what does that mean.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Constitution divides war making the power of war

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Speaker 2: making between Congress and the President, and they both have

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Speaker 2: different aspects of authority over war making. Article one, which

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Speaker 2: creates Congress and says all legislative authority is vested in

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Speaker 2: the United States. Congress gives Congress the authority declare war.

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Speaker 2: So if there are extended, protracted use of military force,

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Speaker 2: particularly with forces on the ground, forces in harms way,

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Speaker 2: that then Congress should be involved. And I think Congress

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Speaker 2: for a long time has not been vigilant enough asserting

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Speaker 2: its Article one authority to be in charge of declaring war,

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Speaker 2: in charge of authorizing military force. That's part of the

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Speaker 2: authority on the Constitution. But the other authority on the

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Speaker 2: Constitution is Article two, which is establishes the office of

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Speaker 2: the Presidency in the executive branch, makes the president the

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Speaker 2: commander in chief. And there's an inherent authority there. There's

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Speaker 2: a long line line of authority that says that the

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Speaker 2: president has an authority to number one, respond to an

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Speaker 2: imminent threat, number two to protect us to protect Americans.

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Speaker 2: So what I think, and we'll see as this goes

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Speaker 2: forward in litigation what the precise justification is, but the

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Speaker 2: principal justification is going to be the following. Maduro was indicted.

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Speaker 2: He was indicted in New York City. The indictment. By

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Speaker 2: the way, you can read the indictment. I've got the

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Speaker 2: indictment right here in my hand. It is twenty five pages.

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Speaker 2: The opening of the indictment says, for over twenty five years,

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Speaker 2: leaders of Venezuela have abused their positions of public trust

551
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Speaker 2: and corrupted once legitimate in spits to import tons of

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Speaker 2: cocaine into the United States. Nicholas Maduro Moros, the defendant,

553
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: is at the forefront of that corruption and has partnered

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Speaker 2: with his co conspirators to use as illegally obtained authority

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00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: and the institutions he corroded to transport thousands of tons

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Speaker 2: of cocaine to the United States. And so this was

557
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: an arrest effort, and so the FBI came and they

558
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: arrested him. They brought him to the United States, to

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Speaker 2: New York to be prosecuted in federal court.

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Speaker 4: A lot of you asked this question, why New York.

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Speaker 1: We always see a lot of New York and people

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Speaker 1: going to New York afterwards when they get charged. Why

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Speaker 1: is New York a place where we see a lot

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Speaker 1: of these high profile individuals be charged. Is that just

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Speaker 1: the way that the courts set up? I know the answer.

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Speaker 1: I want you to explain to everybody, because they're like,

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Speaker 1: why do we keep seeing I mean, it can be

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Speaker 1: anybody from p Didy to The list goes on and

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Speaker 1: on of people Epstein that it's always New York.

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Speaker 4: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: So they're all across the country. There are US attorney

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Speaker 2: offices all across the country. Those US attorneys are appointed

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Speaker 2: by the President, they're confirmed by the Senate. The Southern

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Speaker 2: District of New York, which covers Manhattan, has a great

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Speaker 2: deal of expertise dealing with terrorism in particular. Obviously that's

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Speaker 2: where nine to eleven was. There been terrorism cases with

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Speaker 2: respect to Maduro. You could have brought that case in

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Speaker 2: multiple jurisdictions, multiple US attorneys, because the impacts of Maduro's

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Speaker 2: flooding cocaine into this country have harmed every state in

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Speaker 2: the Union. But it is unsurprising that it would be

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Speaker 2: the Southern District of New York leading this because they

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Speaker 2: have such long expertise in dealing with terrorism cases in particular,

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Speaker 2: and so that was where the U. S. Attorney went

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Speaker 2: to the grand jury and got the indictment and and

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Speaker 2: the justification. The main justification for the military going in

586
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Speaker 2: was to protect the FBI agents going to arrest Maduro,

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Speaker 2: because if they just sent the FBI agents, presume Madureau's

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00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: soldiers or bodyguards would would have shot and killed them.

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00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: And and so the military was there to keep that

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Speaker 2: law enforcement safe. That's the principal justification. There are a

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Speaker 2: couple of other justifications. There's another justification, which which is

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Speaker 2: that that that Maduro was was leading a designated foreign

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Speaker 2: terrorist organization, and so they're existing legal authorities to go

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Speaker 2: after foreign terrorist organizations. That's something we're going to see

595
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Speaker 2: litigation on this, and that surely is going to be

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Speaker 2: a justification UH as well. And and then there's also

597
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Speaker 2: an inherent authority under Article two UH to protect Americans

598
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Speaker 2: from imminent threats. And and so I suspect we will

599
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: see some combination, if not all, three of those justifications

600
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Speaker 2: put forward as the basis for the President ordering ordering

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Speaker 2: this operation.

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Speaker 1: Let's also be clear when there have been people on

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Speaker 1: TV that just been lying saying this is unprecedented and

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Speaker 1: Trump is off the reservation.

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Speaker 4: That is not true.

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Speaker 1: We have gone after people that have done very similar

607
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Speaker 1: things just like this before, and Democrats were in favor

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Speaker 1: of it when that happened.

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00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, Look, there's massive hypocrisy from Democrats. But

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Speaker 2: I will say that there's a long precedent that you

611
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: can go back. But the closest president is in nineteen

612
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Speaker 2: ninety Manuel Noriega. Manuel Noriega, what was leading Panama? He

613
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: was corrupt, he had been indicted also as a drug dealer.

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Speaker 2: He was the de facto ruler of Panama. And George

615
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: Herbert Walker Bush Bush forty one, there was again an

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Speaker 2: indictment and President Bush the first sent in the military

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Speaker 2: to arrest and remove Noriega, just like they did with

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Speaker 2: Maduro Norriega. Actually, do you know the date that Noriega

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Speaker 2: was apprehended?

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Speaker 4: I don't. What is it?

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Speaker 2: January third, exact same date, January third of nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: is when the US government apprehended Doriega. You know, I

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Speaker 2: actually on January third, a good friend of mine, Victoria Coach,

624
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: who's the head of foreign policy at the Heritage Foundation.

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00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: She used to be by national security advisor for four years.

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Speaker 2: She was President Trump's Deputy National Security Advisor in the

627
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Speaker 2: first term. Her daughter was getting married on January third,

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Speaker 2: So I was joking with Victoria. I'm like, wow, you

629
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: really know how to celebrate your daughter's wedding by by

630
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Speaker 2: by apprehending a Latin Latin American dictator and terrorist on

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Speaker 2: the date of her wedding. Victoria was laughing at that,

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Speaker 2: And she and I have worked for more than a

633
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: decade fighting against Chavez and Maduro and the national security

634
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: and and and drug dealing threat and terrorism threat that

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Speaker 2: they posed to the United States. Do you know what

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Speaker 2: January third is?

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Speaker 3: Just as a.

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Speaker 2: Short personal aside, what is that? It's also the date

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Speaker 2: that I met Heidi. No way, I met Heidi on

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Speaker 2: January third of two thousand. So President Trump decided apprehend

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Speaker 2: Maduro on the twenty sixth anniversary of when I met

642
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: my wife, which was kind of an interesting an interesting coincidence.

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Speaker 2: The Noriega example is I think quite compelling and what happened.

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00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: Noriega was arrested, they brought him to the United States,

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00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: they prosecuted him, he was convicted, he was sentenced to

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Speaker 2: forty years and he died in prison. He ultimately died,

647
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: but there was litigation over does the president have the

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Speaker 2: authority to send in the military to arrest a corrupt

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00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: Latin American dictator who is a drug dealer, And the

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00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: conclusion of that litigation was yes. That is for every

651
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: pompous buffoon on TV saying there's no authority to do this,

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00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: that is a big, big problem.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back. Can we go back to

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer and just that. I think it was twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty when he had something very interesting to say.

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Speaker 4: Can we play that for everybody real quick?

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 1: All right, take a listen. This is Chuck Schumer back

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Listen carefully to the words that he

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Speaker 1: has to say. You're gonna get a kick out of this.

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Speaker 8: He brags about all these things he wants to do

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Speaker 8: or is doing, but his actions belie his words. Maybe

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Speaker 8: the best metaphor was his claim to bring democracy to Venezuela.

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Speaker 8: There was a big policy there.

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Speaker 4: It flopped.

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Speaker 8: If the policy was working, Juan Guido wouldn't be in

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Speaker 8: the balcony here, he'd be in Venezuela. He'd be sitting

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Speaker 8: in the president's palace, or at least waging a.

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Speaker 3: Fight to win.

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Speaker 8: He's here, and the president brags about his Venezuela policy.

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Speaker 8: Give us a break. He hasn't brought an end to

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Speaker 8: the Maduro regime. The Meduro regime is more powerful today

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Speaker 8: and more entrenched today than it was when the president began.

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Speaker 1: So here's my part about this that makes me laugh. Democrats,

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Speaker 1: and there's a tweet that's very much like that, the

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Speaker 1: same thing from Joe Biden. Yeah, they were angry that

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Speaker 1: Trump had taken out Maduro. Now Trump takes out Maduro,

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Speaker 1: and now they're angry at Trump for taking out Maduro.

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Speaker 4: You cannot make it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen carefully to what Schumer just said. There,

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Speaker 2: give us a break. He hasn't ended the Maduro regime.

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Speaker 2: So he was on the floor of the Senate. This

683
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Speaker 2: is a speech where he was blasting Trump in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty for not having taken Maduro out. And now in

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Speaker 2: the wake of President Trump having another enormously successful military operation,

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Speaker 2: the last just a few hours in actual execution, and

687
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Speaker 2: then it was over, and then Maduro was gone and

688
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: he was on his way to the United States. Schumer

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Speaker 2: and Kamala Harris and just about every Democrat you find

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00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: are are freaking out and they're just being hypocrites. They

691
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: just hate Trump and and just like they're defending every

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Speaker 2: illegal immigrant, they're defending all of the gang bangers who

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Speaker 2: are here. In this case, the Democrats are becoming the

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Speaker 2: chief defender of of Nicholas Maduro.

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Speaker 3: But as I mentioned on.

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Speaker 2: The legal front, if you look back to Noriega front

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Speaker 2: and center in terms of the litigation that will happen

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Speaker 2: over this is that in nineteen eighty nine, Bill Barr

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Speaker 2: was the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel. Now,

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Speaker 2: Bill Barr, you have a call, ended up becoming George

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Speaker 2: Herbert Walker Bush's attorney general, and then he was also

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Speaker 2: a g for President Trump in the first term. Bill

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Speaker 2: Barr at the time was leading what's called OLC, and

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Speaker 2: OLC is charged under federal law with writing authoritative opinions

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Speaker 2: on what is what is the constitution, what is legal?

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Speaker 2: What are the constraints on the executive branch? And by

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Speaker 2: the way, there is a long history of incredibly important

708
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Speaker 2: jurist and scholars being the heads of OLC, including Antonin Scalia.

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Speaker 2: He was the head of OLC, including William Renquist, for

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Speaker 2: whom I clerked if Justice of the Supreme Court. He

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Speaker 2: was the head of OLC under Nixon, including Chuck Cooper,

712
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Speaker 2: my first boss when I practiced law. Uh So OLC

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Speaker 2: that they are typically they are often US Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: clerks themselves. They are constitutional experts. And Barr issued a

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Speaker 2: detailed opinion making clear that the US government had the

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Speaker 2: authority to go and apprehend uh uh Noriega and and

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Speaker 2: and Barr said several things, So it's a detailed opinion.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you can read the entire opinion. The

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Speaker 3: opinion is public. Uh.

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Speaker 2: But but Barr concluded that Number one, the FBI statutory

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Speaker 2: arrest authority quote authorisest extra territorial investigations and arrests. So

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Speaker 2: that's in the statute existing US law. The FBI can

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Speaker 2: go abroad and arrest someone. And and Barr concluded the

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Speaker 2: president can lawfully order that extratorial extra territorial arrest and

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Speaker 2: and interestingly, bar so one of the main arguments that

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Speaker 2: democrats in the media, although that's redundant because they're one

727
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: in the same democrats in the media, and by the way,

728
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: law professors fall into that same camp. They're all clutching

729
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: their pearls. And their main argument deals with the United

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Speaker 2: Nations Charter and an Article two four of the un

731
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Speaker 2: Charter prohibits the quote use of force against the territorial

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Speaker 2: integrity of any state. And so their main argument is

733
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Speaker 2: this violates the un Charter. Well, what Barr concluded, and

734
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Speaker 2: this is a quote and by the way, it's not

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Speaker 2: just Barr's opinion. This is a binding decision from OLC

736
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Speaker 2: that binds the executive and lesson until it's overturned. So

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Speaker 2: it is like a judicial opinion, but within the executive branch.

738
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Speaker 2: Barr said that Article two four of the UN Charter

739
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Speaker 2: does not quote prohibit the executive, as a matter of

740
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Speaker 2: domestic law, from authorizing forcible abductions. Put another way, quote,

741
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Speaker 2: as a matter of domestic law, the executive has the

742
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Speaker 2: to authorize actions inconsistent with Article two four of the

743
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Speaker 2: un Charter. What does that mean? The the un Charter

744
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: is not independently binding on the United States government. The

745
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Speaker 2: Constitution is binding on the government. You know, back before

746
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: I was in the Senate, what I did for a

747
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: living is argued us Supreme Court cases and and the

748
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: most consequential case that I argued before the Supreme Court

749
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: was a case called Mediing versus Texas.

750
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Speaker 3: I ended up winning six y three.

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Speaker 2: It was an incredibly consequential case, but it dealt with

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Speaker 2: the authority of the International Court of Justice, the World Court,

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00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 2: the judicial arm of the UN, to bind the US

754
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Speaker 2: justice system. And and and I argued representing the State

755
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: of Texas successfully, the UN doesn't have the authority to

756
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Speaker 2: do that. The World Court doesn't have the authority to

757
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: do it. It is the US Constitution, and it is

758
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Speaker 2: US laws. And if Congress wants to pass a law,

759
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: that can be binding. But Congress had not in that

760
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Speaker 2: in Median passed a law relevant to the issue there. Likewise,

761
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 2: here the DOJ opinion was, even if the UN Charter

762
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Speaker 2: says something different, as a matter of US constitutional law,

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Speaker 2: the President can order this. And critically, the Bar opinion

764
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Speaker 2: also concluded that a US arrest abroad quote in violation

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Speaker 2: of foreign law does not violate the Fourth Amendments. And

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Speaker 2: to be clear, the Bar opinion was litigated in the

767
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Speaker 2: nor Dieega case and and Noriega state in jail, so

768
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Speaker 2: he lost all of those claims. That is really powerful

769
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Speaker 2: legal precedent, and it is very closely on point.

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Speaker 1: You talk about the legal side this, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask just real quickly, are there other legal aspects and

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Speaker 1: challenges in this case It could come up as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, and look, there are distinctions that I would

774
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Speaker 2: expect Maduro to argue between this case and the Noriega case.

775
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Speaker 2: In in the Norriega case, the General Assembly in Panama

776
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Speaker 2: had actually declared war on the United States.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, they had shot and killed a US marine. And

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Speaker 2: so those are both both facts that that leaned in

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Speaker 2: favor of Noriega the president being able to respond and

781
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Speaker 2: respond militarily. In this instance, the government of of of

782
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Speaker 2: Venezuela has not formally declared war on the United States.

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Speaker 2: And they have not uh, they have not killed a

784
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Speaker 2: marine or a service member. Although uh, Maduro's drug trafficking

785
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: has killed countless Americans thousands, and and and and you know,

786
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, a massive number of

787
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Speaker 2: Americans Maduro is responsible for killing through drug trafficking. I

788
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Speaker 2: will say also that there is a second issue that

789
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: will be litigated, which is what's called head of state immunity.

790
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: So Maduro will go and argue that that the actions

791
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Speaker 2: he carried out were as the leader of Venezuela and

792
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: as a general principle US government, US courts don't imp

793
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Speaker 2: hose criminal liability for the actions a head of state does,

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Speaker 2: and Noriega was the de facto leader of Panama, but

795
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: he was not elected by the people. In this case,

796
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: the guy was recognized as a head of state, and

797
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: so it's different from Noriega.

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Speaker 3: That will be litigated.

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Speaker 2: I think the response to that is fine, that may

800
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Speaker 2: have been he may have enjoyed that immunity back in

801
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, but twenty nineteen when he ignored

802
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: the results of the election and seized power illegitimately, everyone

803
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: agrees he was illegitimate. The United States, by the way,

804
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: the Biden administration agreed that. The first Trump administration agreed

805
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: that most of the rest of the world is acknowledged

806
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 2: that Maduro stayed in power illegitimately. One exception from head

807
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: of state immunity is if the government invites you in.

808
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: In this case, I think you would say there's not

809
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: an operational government that is legitimate, that he was, he

810
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: was an illegitimate dictator, but that will be a subject

811
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Speaker 2: of litigation. It would not surprise me to see that

812
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Speaker 2: question go all the way to the US Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: All right, and finally, I know I'm gonna laugh because

814
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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna have an answer to this. Are

815
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Speaker 1: there any other legal presents that are going to come

816
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Speaker 1: up in here as well as we wrap up the

817
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: legal side of this.

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Speaker 2: There are, And there's a line of cases that's known

819
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Speaker 2: as the Kerf Frisbee doctrine, which says that that unlawful

820
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: abductions of criminals on foreign soil does not stop the

821
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Speaker 2: criminal prosecution of those individuals in US courts. And the

822
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Speaker 2: lead case in this line of cases is a case

823
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Speaker 2: called the United States versus alvarezma Chain. It was a

824
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two ruling, and the Supreme Court six' three

825
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: concluded that A mexican national who was forcibly abducted In

826
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Speaker 2: mexico from his home brought to The United states that

827
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Speaker 2: he could be criminally. Prosecuted it didn't matter if his

828
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Speaker 2: being seized abroad was, illegally and so that line of.

829
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Speaker 2: Cases If maduro were just a run of the mill drug,

830
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: dealer it would be a very easy question that regardless

831
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Speaker 2: of the circumstances of his. Capture if he VIOLATED us criminal,

832
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: laws he could be prosecuted, here and so that line

833
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: of CASES i think will be. Relevant and, again all

834
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 2: the folks ON tv claiming this is illegal are ignoring

835
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Speaker 2: both The constitution And Supreme court, precedent not to mention

836
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Speaker 2: the BINDING doj opinion from nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: Nine, Center we've run along on this legal, issue which

838
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Speaker 1: is so, important AND i hope that everyone listening right

839
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Speaker 1: now enjoyed, it BECAUSE i feel Like i've learned a.

840
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Speaker 1: Lot i'm hoping that everyone listening has learned a lot

841
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: on the legal side of.

842
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Speaker 4: This but there's still a lot that we've.

843
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: Not gotten a covery At, Center so we're gonna do

844
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Speaker 1: that On wednesday. Show let's just talk a little bit

845
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: of preview on. That there's a lot of people asking

846
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: why was the wife? Arrested what's next Is, venezuela What

847
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: america's role should be? There also what's next for other

848
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: countries that have been, warned whether That's, Mexico. Columbia the

849
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: list goes kind of on and on in this part

850
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Speaker 1: of the world with narco, terrorism uh and also the

851
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: warnings To iran that have come from This White. House

852
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: all these are. Connected so let's kind of lay out

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna get On.

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Speaker 4: Wednesday, Yeah, look.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the, wife the answer to that is

856
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: is pretty. Simple she also has been. Indicted she's been

857
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Speaker 2: indicted as a collaborator who's been actively participating in the

858
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Speaker 2: in the criminal effort to be a drug, dealer and

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Speaker 2: she's been actively part of. It Uh, and so she's

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00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: separately indicted as another criminal. Defendant uh and and that's

861
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: why she was arrested as. Well what we're going to

862
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: talk about On wednesday is is there are very significant

863
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Speaker 2: geopolitical issues in terms of the rest Of Latin america

864
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: and in Particular. Cuba cuba is enormously dependent On. Venezuela

865
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Speaker 2: venezuela is enormously dependent On, cuba and and taking Out

866
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: maduro puts the communist regime In cuba in in in real.

867
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Speaker 2: Jeopardy and and and AND i think we could end

868
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: up SEEING i think there's a real possibility that we

869
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Speaker 2: see the communist government In cuba. Fall you also look

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Speaker 2: at In Colombia petro as an Anti american. Leftist there

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Speaker 2: was a very close ally Of, maduro's very close ally

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Speaker 2: of the communist government In. CUBA i think The colombian

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Speaker 2: leadership has got to be worried about this as. Well

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna break down those geopolitical issues On wednesday's,

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Speaker 2: Podcast but we're also going to talk about going, forward

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Speaker 2: which is What President trump did here was very. Important

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Speaker 2: he sent in a very targeted effort to go and

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Speaker 2: Arrest maduro for this. Indictment he succeeded incredibly. Well the

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Speaker 2: question is where do we go from? Here and early

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Speaker 2: on the administration has suggested That maduro's vice president is

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Speaker 2: likely to remain in charge Of. Venezuela that is raising significant.

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Speaker 2: Concerns we're going to talk about that because Because maduro's

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Speaker 2: vice president is also a Leftist america hating, communist and

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Speaker 2: and so that that that that raises significant. Problems one

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Speaker 2: of the justifications for going in is is That maduro was,

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Speaker 2: illegitimate and SO i think it's important and we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about this On, wednesday that that that that

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Speaker 2: there be a democratic election In venezuela relatively, quickly so

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Speaker 2: that you have a, legitimate democratically elected. Leader AND i

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Speaker 2: also think it is very important That america not get

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Speaker 2: mired down in a long extended. OCCUPATION i don't think

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Speaker 2: that's gonna. HAPPEN i don't Think President trump wants that to.

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Speaker 2: Happen but there are real risks and and we we've

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Speaker 2: seen that uh in in the wake Of, afghanistan in

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Speaker 2: the wake Of iraq to having a long EXTENDED us

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Speaker 2: military presence on the. Ground and so we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about the risks there and and and also about

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Speaker 2: Uh Maria Karina, machado the leader of the, opposition what her,

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Speaker 2: Role Juan, guido what's gonna happen. Next all of that's

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Speaker 2: going to be In wednesday's.

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Speaker 4: Podcast it's going to be a really interesting. One don't.

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