WEBVTT - These are Yes or No Questions | EP 7 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.879 Hey, everyone, Before we start this episode, I want to 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:11.720 let you know that this one includes some graphic descriptions 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:18.720 of pregnancy loss as well as allegations of sexual assault. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.520 On June tenth, twenty twenty four, the Laura Owens and 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.880 Clayton Eckered paternity case finally went to trial. This was 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:32.080 the definitive legal showdown everyone had been waiting for. But 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:36.360 before Clayton's attorney, Greg Woodennick could even walk into the courtroom, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:37.599 he was met with a surprise. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.840 We walked into the courthouse and my team was walking 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.320 through security. I turned to my right and kind of 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.280 right up next to me is Laura's attorney and he 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.800 says something to the extent is we need to talk now. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:54.560 I'm calling the police now. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.400 At first, Woodnick didn't understand what was going on. It 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.480 appeared that Laura's attorney was calling the police. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.280 I felt my blood pressure racing that he was suggesting 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.520 he was calling the police in a courthouse. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.679 There were plenty of police and security guards already present. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.319 It was a courthouse, but today seemed to be different. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.080 Maybe it's because their trial involved a high profile person, 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:25.640 or maybe something else was going on. Wouldn'tick watched in 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.119 confusion as Laura's attorney began to unravel right in front 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:29.559 of him. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.800 He was like running back and forth, like I remember 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.679 seeing him go from the security station towards the courtroom, 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:37.560 and it was kind of frantic, and we were just 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.080 like standing there, like, what the fuck this is weird? 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:45.200 Wouodnick stepped away from his team to investigate. It turned 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.520 out Laura had a problem with someone who'd been subpoena 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:49.240 to testify. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.440 If I recall correctly, her attorney said, I'm not sure 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.720 if she's even going to go into the courtroom because 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.000 she's so scared, and I think that he'd called. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.600 Nine one one said she was too scared to enter 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:05.200 the courtroom. She had a protective order against both Clayton 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:09.480 and Greg Gillespie, who were already there, but her panic 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.600 on the morning of the trial was about someone else, 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.320 another man. She had a restraining order against someone she'd 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.200 known for years before Clayton or Greg. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.520 I was confused, I said, what the hell are you 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.239 talking about. They are subpoena. Judge Manta already granted their 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:27.320 permission to testify. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.880 Maybe Laura didn't actually expect this man to show up, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.959 but would Nick had subpoenaed him for a reason. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.520 I think Laura had a problem with anyone coming in 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.880 and sharing the fact that there were multiple prior victims 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.639 who had very similar situations. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:44.240 Happened to him. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.919 I think she's doing everything she could to avoid the 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.839 court hearing testimony from these individuals. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.280 I'm Stephanie Young and this is love trapped there. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:04.359 No, you'd better believe. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:16.520 I'll be razy ho the hellas if you Emverver Heaver. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:17.600 Trastic. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.360 On the morning of Clayton's paternity trial, Laura claimed she 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.600 was too scared of one of the witnesses to go 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.919 into the courtroom. She had her attorney called nine to 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.280 one one, but after a quick meeting in the judge's chambers, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.240 it was decided that the trial would move ahead. The 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.640 energy in the courthouse was tense. Clayton felt it as 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:45.640 soon as he arrived. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.480 I had been to this court a couple times because 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:53.040 Laura would bring me there for prior hearings, and this 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.520 time I'd drive in and there's arm guards like right 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.960 when I'm driving in, and then I get out of 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.440 my car and I see a couple more of them, 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.240 and I'm thinking, what is going on? Like this feels 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:07.240 too high profile. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:12.280 That morning, the parking lot was buzzing. Many of the 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.440 online detectives who'd been following every twist of this case 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.640 had descended upon the courthouse in Phoenix, Arizona. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.559 Well as far as people that had been covering the case. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.599 There was Dave Neo, there was Megan Fox. There was 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:30.839 probably fifty people that were part of the Justice for Clayton. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.400 Community that were there. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.880 And that's when it hit me that I was like, Wow, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:37.760 I have a tremendous amount of support. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.159 The virtual community had suddenly become an in person one. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.120 Many of them had been in the parking lot since 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:49.359 six am preparing for the trial day. It was basically 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.640 a tailgate. Content creator. Megan Fox is one of the 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:53.840 many people who flew in. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.320 We got up very early in the morning, I think 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.479 it started at eight, and we needed be there to 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.520 set up our equipment, the camera and everything in the courtroom. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:05.920 Dave beat me there. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.080 He was already there. Dave Neil was the unofficial leader 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.400 of Clayton's supporters. He'd been following the story since the beginning. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.840 I knew I needed to be there to see this 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:18.760 thing to the finish line. 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:19.599 It wasn't a question. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.680 On the day of the trial, Dave set up a 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.000 tent in the parking lot where he had a live 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.839 stream feed going giving commentary and analysis. He also brought 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.960 a media sprinter van. The whole scene had a major 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.480 sporting event, Vibe. Dave was joined by his old friend 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.160 Reality Steve, who'd also been covering the story since the beginning. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.200 It was something that had consumed a lot of my 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.000 time from September of twenty twenty three on. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.159 Went out there to support Dave because he was the 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:51.440 champion of all this. 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.080 The court only allowed one camera to livestream the trial. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.440 A few months earlier, content creator Lauren Nighty had put 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:02.720 her name on the list. 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.599 I was wondering how people get access to stream court cases, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.120 so I just went to the website basically on Mayracopa 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:13.040 County for the Family Court, and there was a form 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.479 you could fill out basically to stream it, and so 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.960 I put in my information. But I wasn't expecting anything. 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.719 Lauren had no idea that by filling out that form, 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.440 she was about to become the eyes and ears for 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.520 the entire online community. It was a role she took seriously. 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.839 She was personally offended by Laura's alleged lies and wanted 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:35.080 everyone to know the truth. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.760 I wanted people to be able to see what their 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.760 tax dollars were being used for, why this was such 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.240 a big deal, and everyone who had blamed Clayton or said, 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.400 why don't you just shut up about this? You've already 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.480 got people to know that she lied. I wanted them 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.120 to see the extent of it. I wanted them to 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.679 see that in real time and to understand the gravity 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.400 of what this woman is willing to do, the lengths 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.279 that she's willing to go to, and the way she's 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.800 willing to guilt people and confuse their emotions in order 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.279 to get away with what she's doing. And so the 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.599 court reached out to me and they said, would you 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.719 like to stream it? And I said yeah, because I 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:08.040 was going to be there anyways. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.160 So Lauren set up her camera on Row one. She'd 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.840 be recording everything and live streaming it to thousands of people. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.920 At eight forty five am, they opened the courtroom doors. 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.280 Immediately the room filled up with people there to support Clayton. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.480 I think I realized this is more impactful than what 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:30.280 I would have thought. 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.600 Clayton knew the trial was important, but it was another 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.840 thing to see the room packed with his supporters, people 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:43.080 who believed him. Laura's side of the room was noticeably sparse. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:49.360 It was her mom and her medical expert that was it. Dad, 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:54.040 wasn't there, sister, wasn't there? No friends? And I think 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.680 that to me also spoke volumes. I know it, did 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.760 I know when we walked into that courtroom and you 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.040 had my side of the courtroom that was packed out, 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.840 that had overflow, and then you had her side which 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.360 ended up being taken over by people that it came 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:11.000 to support me. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.320 Clayton felt the gravity of the moment. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.240 I wasn't nervous because it's bigger than me. So I 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:21.600 just needed to show up. 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:25.520 As me, surrounded by a packed room of supporters and spectators. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.120 The trial that everyone had been waiting for finally got underway. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.160 This is the time set in FC twenty twenty three 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:37.000 zero five, two one one four appearances Please beginning first 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:38.480 with petitioner's counsel. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.280 Good morning. You are at David Gingers on behalf of 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:41.000 Laura Owens. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.560 Just a few months earlier, Laura Owens brought a new 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:49.199 attorney onto the case, David Jingris, you'll recognize him from 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.760 earlier in our story. He's the lawyer who collaborated with 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.480 Laura on a series of YouTube videos. Laura had gone 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.720 through a few attorneys before she found Jingers. In fact, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.120 her previous council, the one who was with their outter deposition, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.040 dropped her as a client. That attorney went on to 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:11.080 file a notice of candor, a formal truth correction used 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.800 when a lawyer realizes the court has been misled. In it, 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.920 he changed his stance on the truthfulness of Laura's claims 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.760 and formally retracted his statement that Laura had not lied 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.440 to the court. So for the trial on June tenth, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.520 Laura was joined by her new council, David Jingris as 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:30.880 for Clayton's team. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.400 Good morning, Judge kriick Woodnick, come here from Clayton issh 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.960 that also with me is my co counsel Deangerina and 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:36.920 Isabelle Rannie. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.760 Each party will be given fifteen minutes, which will take 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.760 a ten minute break roughly halfway through. I allowed ten 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.480 minutes for technical difficulties because they just happened to everybody. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.760 It was a bench trial, meaning there was no jury. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.840 It was just the two opposing councils presenting their cases 0:09:55.840 --> 0:10:00.800 to Judge Mada and critically the trial was timed. The 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.840 judge put a two hour limit on the whole proceeding. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.640 These kind of time limits are standard in Arizona Family Court. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.199 It forces both sides to present their cases efficiently. 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.760 You'd learned to get to the good stuff. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.040 Fast, wouldn't it had prepared Clayton to work within the 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:18.880 time constraints. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.240 He's like, we are going to have a time limit. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.520 He's like, you also talk a lot and needed to 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.720 give quick answers, just like snapstap, stap snap. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.480 With the clock ticking, David Jingers called his first witness 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:30.080 to the stand. 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.600 You want to call Laura Owens. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:36.760 This was her direct examination, her and her attorney's chance 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:38.200 to tell her side of the story. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:39.599 Laura, how are you feeling. 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:41.640 Nervous? 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.920 Okay, just breathe and we'll get through this really quick. Okay. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.920 Laura's attorney started with the basic timeline of events, and 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.920 right away Laura made a staggering admission. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.480 Let me go back to the night of May twentieth. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.559 In your deposition, you said that Clayton actually had sexual. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.120 Intercourse with you. Do you recall that, yes, and was 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:01.560 that true? 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:02.240 Yes? 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.000 Did you tell him that night that you did not 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.800 want to have sex? Yes? And did he honor that request? 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:14.520 Now since the beginning, Clayton has told the same story 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.360 about the night of May twentieth. He says that he 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.840 invited her over, they both took an edible, and they 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:25.600 had consensual oral sex. Six days later, public records show 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.800 that Laura messaged a pregnancy support line looking for planned 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:34.080 b Laura wrote, quote, this past week, I was consensually 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.319 intimate with a partner, although we did not have intercourse. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.520 But now, a year later, Laura told the court that 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:43.520 Clayton raped her. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.240 I remember when she said it. I just felt this 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.960 massive wave of anger overtake my body. I when her 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.760 clenching my fist and just closing my eyes because at 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.640 that point I just had to diffuse the anger. I 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.640 think I sat there for probably three or four minutes, 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:04.079 but it was such a dump of adrenaline. I was 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.280 fighting my body in that moment. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.440 The focus shifted right back to Laura and the pregnancy 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:10.160 test she took. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.000 Those three tests, did you do anything at all to 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:14.520 tamper with the results of those tests? 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:14.840 Now? 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.960 Did you take any drugs? Hormones or any substance at 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.800 all to affect the outcome. Now, did you use someone 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:22.520 else's urine to Shane's the outcome? 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:22.760 No? 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.480 That was the moment Laura went on the record denying 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.679 she had ever altered a pregnancy test during the time 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:35.400 she claimed to be pregnant with Clayton's babies. Then her attorney, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.360 David Jingris addressed the contradictions in Laura's deposition had on, 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.680 the most glaring one being that she'd admitted under oath 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.000 to altering a sonogram using Adobe Acrobat. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.360 Did you have a sonogram done in California? 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:49.679 Yes? 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.120 I did? And where was that done? 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:52.120 Planned parenthood? 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.400 And you understand it. I'm sure mister Whitnik will ask 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.559 you about this. Planned parent has not been able to 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.520 verify that you were ever seen there. Do you understand that? 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.240 Yes? Can you explain that, Yes, I went under a 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:02.559 fake name when I went there? 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.040 Okay, And you had a sonogram done? 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.240 Did you ever present that sonogram as evidence in any 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.120 court proceeding anywhere? No, we have obviously presented in this case. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.160 But you've admitted already that you changed the name at 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.760 the top or the location. Did you change the name 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.280 at the top of the sonogram of the location. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:20.640 Yes, why did you do that? 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.320 I changed it because mister ACKERD was being threatening towards 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.040 me and I didn't want him to know where I 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.479 had gone and try to track down my providers. 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.280 Laura's attorney then addressed the big question what came of 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:37.440 her pregnancy. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.840 After the sonogram in California around July twenty third. Did 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.640 something happen in terms of you passing tissue or anything 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:44.839 like that? 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:45.199 Yes? 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.480 Can you explain briefly what happened on July twenty third? 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.520 Yeah, I wasn't having any symptoms at all, but I 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.320 did pass tissue that looked like it could have potentially 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.360 been a miscarriage that I wasn't sure. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.679 Did you seek any medical care after July twenty third 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:00.720 after to shoot passed? 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:01.200 Yes? 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.240 Related to that, Yes, what did you do? 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:09.719 I texted a hotline for pregnancy and miscarriage questions, and 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.920 I also did an appointment with the telens and doctor 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:13.760 as well. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:15.599 Okay, and what information did they give you? 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.520 With any They told me that I needed to monitor myself, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.200 but that they felt like unless I had more symptoms, 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.560 I didn't need to worry that it was a miscarriage. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.600 On November second, Laura had told the judge in Clayton's 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.840 restraining order hearing that she was twenty four weeks pregnant, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.080 but now she was claiming in court that she had 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:42.160 a miscarriage. On July twenty third, in the direct examination, 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:47.760 either Laura or her attorney addressed this massive inconsistency for 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:48.560 the last time. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.920 Were you pregnant with Clayton? 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:51.640 Yes? 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.040 Did you think that you were pregnant with Clayton? Yes, 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.040 you have any reason to think that you weren't when 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:56.840 you filed this case. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:57.080 No. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.200 Did you lie about being pregnant with Clayton? 0:14:59.600 --> 0:14:59.640 No? 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:02.440 No further questions John. 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.320 With the direct questioning over the floor belonged to DeAndre 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.520 A Rena for the much anticipated cross examination. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:13.920 Good Morning, the songs, Good morning. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.080 Do you understand that you're currently under oath you must 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:18.320 testifying truthfully today? 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:18.680 Correct? 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.320 Correct? And you understand the difference between the truth and the. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.400 Lie right, obviously? 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:29.080 Yes, But Clayton's attorney, Greg Woodennick didn't think that was 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:29.760 so obvious. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.480 Laura is a tough witness. Laura has her own agenda 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.160 when you ask her questions, and she's got a confidence 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.360 about her, which is interesting because she can confidently answer 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.040 a question with a completely bullshit answer. 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.440 The maternity trial on June tenth was just getting started. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:08.160 The courtroom was packed with spectators. Laura was the first 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.600 on the stand, but her direct examination left quite a 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:17.200 few unanswered questions. Clayton's attorney, Deandra Arena, was eager to 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:22.320 jump in. DeAndre had cross examined Laura before at Clayton's 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:27.160 restraining order hearing on November two. In that one, Laura 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.120 admitted under oath to being twenty four weeks pregnant. This 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.200 posed a big problem because now Laura told the court 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:40.240 she miscarried back in July, both couldn't be true. Before 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.600 Deandra turned up the heat on Laura, she laid the groundwork, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.000 reminding Laura of what she said in previous hearings. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.080 You testified that you were one hundred percent pregnant on 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.440 November second, correct, correct, And. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.280 You testified that you were twenty four weeks pregnant, specifically correct. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.400 I'd like you to take a look at your exhibit 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:04.000 A eleven at least Miss Owens disappointment that you attended 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.280 at mom doc on November fourteenth of twenty twenty three, 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:08.880 was twelve days. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.080 After I crossed examine, right, correct? 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.240 And during that cross examination I pointed out that you 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.160 had no legitimate medical records to support the pregnancy. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:18.720 Right. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.440 I mean you said that, but I don't agree with it. No. 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.719 At disappointment, Miss Owens, it was confirmed that you were 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.159 not pregnant. Correct. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:27.720 Correct. 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.280 DeAndre knew she wasn't going to get a straight answer 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.719 out of Laura, but she could try to catch her 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.920 in a lie. The courtroom fell silent as DeAndre turned 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:42.520 her attention to Laura's alleged miscarriage. The thing is, the 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.000 medical records didn't match Laura's testimony. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.760 In your deposition, page one point fifty one, buying twenty four, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.359 you claim you passed the two sacks, which appeared to 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.440 have a memory, in September or October. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.720 Correct, Correct, But. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.159 In the mom doc records you claim you passed to 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.520 two sacks a few weeks after your alleged ultrasound at 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:04.320 planned parenthood. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.160 Right, several weeks after? 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:10.159 Okay, Well you would agree with me. 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:14.040 There's an inconsistency there, right, right, I wasn't sure what 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:14.639 the date was. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:20.400 No, obg U, I n were qualified medical professional conducted. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:24.040 An ultrasound, performed a physical examination or perform a blood 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.359 test to confirm your alleged pregnancy on or before. 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:28.760 August first of twenty twenty three. 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.160 Right, long, Okay, let's talk about that, because I suspected 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.280 you to answer that this way. You claim that you 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.560 had an alleged ultrasound at Planned Parenthood in Southern California, correct, Correct, 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.040 And you testified during your deposition that the alleged ultrasound 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.840 with Planned Parenthood was in Mission Yeho, California, on July 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:50.240 seventh and twenty twenty three. 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:50.679 Right. 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:54.680 I did say it was there. That's where I was 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.480 staying at the time, in Mission Vieh. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.560 And while being examined by your attorney, you said that 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.199 you went to Planned Parenthood under a pay thing. Right, 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.440 But you didn't bother to provide our office with the 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:11.119 alleged names that you went to Time Parenthood under right, Right? 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.360 And you knew that we were seeking. 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.919 Your records from Planned Parenthood specifically because of the alleged 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.080 ultrasound that you had there, right right, So wouldn't it 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.399 have made sense for you to provide our office with 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:23.639 a copy or. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.919 The name that you allegedly went to Planned Parenthood? 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:27.920 Under I felt like the whole purpose of going into 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.680 planned parenthood is to remain anonymous, and that that's one 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:31.560 of my protections. 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.959 Just to be clear, Laura is testifying that she had 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.520 an ultrasound at a Planned Parenthood in July, which confirmed 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:43.760 her pregnancy, but in their discovery, would Nick and Deandra 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.160 never received any records from that appointment. Laura says it's 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.040 because she went to Planned Parenthood under an anonymous name, 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:55.040 but DeAndre doesn't let this go because she's trying to 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.960 establish if there are any medical records at all that 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.600 could prove Laura had an in person ultra sound exam 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:02.159 with an obgyn. 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.120 I want you to take a look at Exhibit twenty eight. 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.840 Is this a true and accurate picture of the ultrasound 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.640 you claim your snut plan parenthood in California. 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:13.320 On July twenty twenty three. 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.760 That looks like it, Yes, and Miss Owens, this ultrasound 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.400 image does not say planned parenthood. It says smil, which 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:23.400 I'll call smile for purpose of support today. 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:23.800 Correct. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:24.320 Correct? 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:29.920 And in your deposition you admitted you altered this ultrasound 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:31.960 picture to say smile instead of planned. 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:33.000 Parenthood, right, correct? 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.879 And you admitted in your deposition to altering this picture 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:37.640 on the Adobe Acrobat program. 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:39.000 At your house right correct. 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.080 During the deposition, you testify that the date listed here 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.000 of July seventh of twenty twenty three was correct and. 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.119 Had it been edited by you, right correct. 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.360 But you later admit that you lied about this July 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:57.159