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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Before we start this episode, I want to

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Speaker 1: let you know that this one includes some graphic descriptions

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Speaker 1: of pregnancy loss as well as allegations of sexual assault.

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Speaker 1: On June tenth, twenty twenty four, the Laura Owens and

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Speaker 1: Clayton Eckered paternity case finally went to trial. This was

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Speaker 1: the definitive legal showdown everyone had been waiting for. But

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Speaker 1: before Clayton's attorney, Greg Woodennick could even walk into the courtroom,

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Speaker 1: he was met with a surprise.

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Speaker 2: We walked into the courthouse and my team was walking

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Speaker 2: through security. I turned to my right and kind of

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Speaker 2: right up next to me is Laura's attorney and he

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Speaker 2: says something to the extent is we need to talk now.

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Speaker 3: I'm calling the police now.

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Speaker 1: At first, Woodnick didn't understand what was going on. It

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Speaker 1: appeared that Laura's attorney was calling the police.

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Speaker 2: I felt my blood pressure racing that he was suggesting

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Speaker 2: he was calling the police in a courthouse.

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Speaker 1: There were plenty of police and security guards already present.

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Speaker 1: It was a courthouse, but today seemed to be different.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because their trial involved a high profile person,

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Speaker 1: or maybe something else was going on. Wouldn'tick watched in

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Speaker 1: confusion as Laura's attorney began to unravel right in front

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Speaker 1: of him.

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Speaker 2: He was like running back and forth, like I remember

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Speaker 2: seeing him go from the security station towards the courtroom,

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Speaker 2: and it was kind of frantic, and we were just

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Speaker 2: like standing there, like, what the fuck this is weird?

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Speaker 1: Wouodnick stepped away from his team to investigate. It turned

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Speaker 1: out Laura had a problem with someone who'd been subpoena

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Speaker 1: to testify.

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Speaker 2: If I recall correctly, her attorney said, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if she's even going to go into the courtroom because

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Speaker 2: she's so scared, and I think that he'd called.

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Speaker 1: Nine one one said she was too scared to enter

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Speaker 1: the courtroom. She had a protective order against both Clayton

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Speaker 1: and Greg Gillespie, who were already there, but her panic

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Speaker 1: on the morning of the trial was about someone else,

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Speaker 1: another man. She had a restraining order against someone she'd

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Speaker 1: known for years before Clayton or Greg.

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Speaker 2: I was confused, I said, what the hell are you

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Speaker 2: talking about. They are subpoena. Judge Manta already granted their

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Speaker 2: permission to testify.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Laura didn't actually expect this man to show up,

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Speaker 1: but would Nick had subpoenaed him for a reason.

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Speaker 2: I think Laura had a problem with anyone coming in

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Speaker 2: and sharing the fact that there were multiple prior victims

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Speaker 2: who had very similar situations.

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Speaker 3: Happened to him.

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Speaker 2: I think she's doing everything she could to avoid the

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Speaker 2: court hearing testimony from these individuals.

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Speaker 1: I'm Stephanie Young and this is love trapped there.

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Speaker 4: No, you'd better believe.

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Speaker 5: I'll be razy ho the hellas if you Emverver Heaver.

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Speaker 6: Trastic.

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Speaker 1: On the morning of Clayton's paternity trial, Laura claimed she

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Speaker 1: was too scared of one of the witnesses to go

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Speaker 1: one one, but after a quick meeting in the judge's chambers,

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Speaker 1: it was decided that the trial would move ahead. The

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Speaker 1: energy in the courthouse was tense. Clayton felt it as

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Speaker 1: soon as he arrived.

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Speaker 7: I had been to this court a couple times because

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Speaker 7: Laura would bring me there for prior hearings, and this

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Speaker 7: time I'd drive in and there's arm guards like right

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Speaker 7: when I'm driving in, and then I get out of

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Speaker 7: and I'm thinking, what is going on? Like this feels

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Speaker 7: too high profile.

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Speaker 1: That morning, the parking lot was buzzing. Many of the

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Speaker 1: online detectives who'd been following every twist of this case

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Speaker 1: had descended upon the courthouse in Phoenix, Arizona.

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Speaker 7: Well as far as people that had been covering the case.

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Speaker 7: There was Dave Neo, there was Megan Fox. There was

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Speaker 7: probably fifty people that were part of the Justice for Clayton.

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Speaker 8: Community that were there.

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Speaker 7: And that's when it hit me that I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 7: I have a tremendous amount of support.

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Speaker 1: The virtual community had suddenly become an in person one.

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Speaker 1: Many of them had been in the parking lot since

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Speaker 1: six am preparing for the trial day. It was basically

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Speaker 1: a tailgate. Content creator. Megan Fox is one of the

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Speaker 1: many people who flew in.

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Speaker 5: We got up very early in the morning, I think

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Speaker 5: it started at eight, and we needed be there to

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Speaker 9: Dave beat me there.

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Speaker 1: He was already there. Dave Neil was the unofficial leader

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Speaker 1: I knew I needed to be there to see this

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Speaker 8: It wasn't a question.

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Speaker 1: On the day of the trial, Dave set up a

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Speaker 1: tent in the parking lot where he had a live

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Speaker 1: a media sprinter van. The whole scene had a major

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Speaker 1: sporting event, Vibe. Dave was joined by his old friend

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Speaker 1: Reality Steve, who'd also been covering the story since the beginning.

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Speaker 10: It was something that had consumed a lot of my

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Speaker 10: time from September of twenty twenty three on.

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Speaker 8: Went out there to support Dave because he was the

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Speaker 8: champion of all this.

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Speaker 1: The court only allowed one camera to livestream the trial.

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Speaker 1: A few months earlier, content creator Lauren Nighty had put

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Speaker 10: I was wondering how people get access to stream court cases,

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Speaker 10: so I just went to the website basically on Mayracopa

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Speaker 10: County for the Family Court, and there was a form

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Speaker 10: you could fill out basically to stream it, and so

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Speaker 10: I put in my information. But I wasn't expecting anything.

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Speaker 1: Lauren had no idea that by filling out that form,

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Speaker 1: she was about to become the eyes and ears for

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Speaker 1: the entire online community. It was a role she took seriously.

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Speaker 1: She was personally offended by Laura's alleged lies and wanted

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Speaker 1: everyone to know the truth.

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Speaker 10: I wanted people to be able to see what their

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Speaker 10: tax dollars were being used for, why this was such

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Speaker 10: a big deal, and everyone who had blamed Clayton or said,

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Speaker 10: why don't you just shut up about this? You've already

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Speaker 10: got people to know that she lied. I wanted them

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Speaker 10: to see the extent of it. I wanted them to

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Speaker 10: see that in real time and to understand the gravity

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Speaker 10: of what this woman is willing to do, the lengths

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Speaker 10: willing to guilt people and confuse their emotions in order

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Speaker 10: to get away with what she's doing. And so the

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Speaker 10: court reached out to me and they said, would you

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Speaker 10: like to stream it? And I said yeah, because I

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Speaker 1: So Lauren set up her camera on Row one. She'd

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Speaker 1: be recording everything and live streaming it to thousands of people.

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Speaker 1: At eight forty five am, they opened the courtroom doors.

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Speaker 1: Immediately the room filled up with people there to support Clayton.

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Speaker 7: I think I realized this is more impactful than what

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Speaker 7: I would have thought.

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Speaker 1: Clayton knew the trial was important, but it was another

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Speaker 1: thing to see the room packed with his supporters, people

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Speaker 7: It was her mom and her medical expert that was it. Dad,

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Speaker 7: wasn't there, sister, wasn't there? No friends? And I think

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Speaker 7: that to me also spoke volumes. I know it, did

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Speaker 7: I know when we walked into that courtroom and you

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Speaker 7: that had overflow, and then you had her side which

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Speaker 7: ended up being taken over by people that it came

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Speaker 1: Clayton felt the gravity of the moment.

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Speaker 7: I wasn't nervous because it's bigger than me. So I

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Speaker 7: just needed to show up.

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Speaker 1: As me, surrounded by a packed room of supporters and spectators.

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Speaker 1: The trial that everyone had been waiting for finally got underway.

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Speaker 11: This is the time set in FC twenty twenty three

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Speaker 11: zero five, two one one four appearances Please beginning first

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Speaker 11: with petitioner's counsel.

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Speaker 8: Good morning. You are at David Gingers on behalf of

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Speaker 8: Laura Owens.

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Speaker 1: Just a few months earlier, Laura Owens brought a new

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Speaker 1: attorney onto the case, David Jingris, you'll recognize him from

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Speaker 1: earlier in our story. He's the lawyer who collaborated with

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Speaker 1: Laura on a series of YouTube videos. Laura had gone

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Speaker 1: through a few attorneys before she found Jingers. In fact,

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Speaker 1: her previous council, the one who was with their outter deposition,

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Speaker 1: dropped her as a client. That attorney went on to

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Speaker 1: file a notice of candor, a formal truth correction used

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Speaker 1: when a lawyer realizes the court has been misled. In it,

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Speaker 1: he changed his stance on the truthfulness of Laura's claims

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Speaker 1: and formally retracted his statement that Laura had not lied

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Speaker 1: to the court. So for the trial on June tenth,

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Speaker 1: Laura was joined by her new council, David Jingris as

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Speaker 1: for Clayton's team.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Judge kriick Woodnick, come here from Clayton issh

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Speaker 2: that also with me is my co counsel Deangerina and

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Speaker 2: Isabelle Rannie.

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Speaker 11: Each party will be given fifteen minutes, which will take

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Speaker 11: a ten minute break roughly halfway through. I allowed ten

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Speaker 11: minutes for technical difficulties because they just happened to everybody.

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Speaker 1: It was a bench trial, meaning there was no jury.

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Speaker 1: It was just the two opposing councils presenting their cases

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Speaker 1: to Judge Mada and critically the trial was timed. The

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Speaker 1: These kind of time limits are standard in Arizona Family Court.

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Speaker 1: It forces both sides to present their cases efficiently.

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Speaker 3: You'd learned to get to the good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Fast, wouldn't it had prepared Clayton to work within the

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Speaker 8: He's like, we are going to have a time limit.

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Speaker 7: He's like, you also talk a lot and needed to

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Speaker 7: give quick answers, just like snapstap, stap snap.

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Speaker 1: With the clock ticking, David Jingers called his first witness

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Speaker 8: You want to call Laura Owens.

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Speaker 1: This was her direct examination, her and her attorney's chance

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Speaker 1: to tell her side of the story.

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Speaker 8: Laura, how are you feeling.

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Speaker 4: Nervous?

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Speaker 8: Okay, just breathe and we'll get through this really quick. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Laura's attorney started with the basic timeline of events, and

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Speaker 1: right away Laura made a staggering admission.

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Speaker 8: Let me go back to the night of May twentieth.

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Speaker 12: In your deposition, you said that Clayton actually had sexual.

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Speaker 8: Intercourse with you. Do you recall that, yes, and was

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Speaker 8: that true?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Did you tell him that night that you did not

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Speaker 8: want to have sex? Yes? And did he honor that request?

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Speaker 1: Now since the beginning, Clayton has told the same story

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Speaker 1: about the night of May twentieth. He says that he

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Speaker 1: invited her over, they both took an edible, and they

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Speaker 1: had consensual oral sex. Six days later, public records show

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Speaker 1: that Laura messaged a pregnancy support line looking for planned

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Speaker 1: b Laura wrote, quote, this past week, I was consensually

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Speaker 1: intimate with a partner, although we did not have intercourse.

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Speaker 1: But now, a year later, Laura told the court that

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Speaker 1: Clayton raped her.

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Speaker 7: I remember when she said it. I just felt this

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Speaker 7: massive wave of anger overtake my body. I when her

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Speaker 7: clenching my fist and just closing my eyes because at

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Speaker 7: that point I just had to diffuse the anger. I

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Speaker 7: think I sat there for probably three or four minutes,

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Speaker 7: but it was such a dump of adrenaline. I was

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Speaker 7: fighting my body in that moment.

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Speaker 1: The focus shifted right back to Laura and the pregnancy

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Speaker 1: test she took.

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Speaker 12: Those three tests, did you do anything at all to

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 12: Did you take any drugs? Hormones or any substance at

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Speaker 1: That was the moment Laura went on the record denying

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Speaker 8: Did you have a sonogram done in California?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 8: I did? And where was that done?

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Speaker 4: Planned parenthood?

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Speaker 12: And you understand it. I'm sure mister Whitnik will ask

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Speaker 4: Yes? Can you explain that, Yes, I went under a

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Speaker 8: Okay, And you had a sonogram done?

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Speaker 12: Did you ever present that sonogram as evidence in any

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Speaker 12: But you've admitted already that you changed the name at

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Speaker 8: Yes, why did you do that?

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Speaker 4: I changed it because mister ACKERD was being threatening towards

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Speaker 12: After the sonogram in California around July twenty third. Did

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Speaker 8: Related to that, Yes, what did you do?

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Speaker 8: Okay, and what information did they give you?

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Speaker 4: I didn't need to worry that it was a miscarriage.

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Speaker 1: On November second, Laura had told the judge in Clayton's

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Speaker 8: Were you pregnant with Clayton?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 12: Did you think that you were pregnant with Clayton? Yes,

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Speaker 12: you filed this case.

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 8: Did you lie about being pregnant with Clayton?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 8: No further questions John.

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Speaker 1: With the direct questioning over the floor belonged to DeAndre

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Speaker 1: A Rena for the much anticipated cross examination.

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Speaker 9: Good Morning, the songs, Good morning.

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Speaker 5: Do you understand that you're currently under oath you must

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Speaker 14: Correct?

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Speaker 9: Correct? And you understand the difference between the truth and the.

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Speaker 4: Lie right, obviously?

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Speaker 1: Yes, But Clayton's attorney, Greg Woodennick didn't think that was

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Speaker 2: Laura is a tough witness. Laura has her own agenda

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Speaker 1: The maternity trial on June tenth was just getting started.

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Speaker 1: The courtroom was packed with spectators. Laura was the first

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Speaker 1: few unanswered questions. Clayton's attorney, Deandra Arena, was eager to

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Speaker 1: admitted under oath to being twenty four weeks pregnant. This

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Speaker 1: Deandra turned up the heat on Laura, she laid the groundwork,

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Speaker 1: reminding Laura of what she said in previous hearings.

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Speaker 5: You testified that you were one hundred percent pregnant on

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Speaker 5: November second, correct, correct, And.

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Speaker 9: You testified that you were twenty four weeks pregnant, specifically correct.

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Speaker 5: I'd like you to take a look at your exhibit

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Speaker 5: A eleven at least Miss Owens disappointment that you attended

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Speaker 9: After I crossed examine, right, correct?

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Speaker 5: And during that cross examination I pointed out that you

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 4: I mean you said that, but I don't agree with it. No.

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Speaker 9: At disappointment, Miss Owens, it was confirmed that you were

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Speaker 1: DeAndre knew she wasn't going to get a straight answer

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Speaker 1: her attention to Laura's alleged miscarriage. The thing is, the

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Speaker 5: In your deposition, page one point fifty one, buying twenty four,

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Speaker 5: you claim you passed the two sacks, which appeared to

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Speaker 4: Correct, Correct, But.

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Speaker 5: In the mom doc records you claim you passed to

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Speaker 5: planned parenthood.

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Speaker 4: Right, several weeks after?

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Speaker 9: Okay, Well you would agree with me.

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Speaker 4: There's an inconsistency there, right, right, I wasn't sure what

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Speaker 9: No, obg U, I n were qualified medical professional conducted.

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Speaker 5: An ultrasound, performed a physical examination or perform a blood

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Speaker 9: August first of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: Right, long, Okay, let's talk about that, because I suspected

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Speaker 5: you to answer that this way. You claim that you

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Speaker 5: had an alleged ultrasound at Planned Parenthood in Southern California, correct, Correct,

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Speaker 5: And you testified during your deposition that the alleged ultrasound

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 4: I did say it was there. That's where I was

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Speaker 5: And while being examined by your attorney, you said that

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Speaker 5: you went to Planned Parenthood under a pay thing. Right,

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Speaker 5: But you didn't bother to provide our office with the

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Speaker 5: alleged names that you went to Time Parenthood under right, Right?

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Speaker 9: And you knew that we were seeking.

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Speaker 5: Your records from Planned Parenthood specifically because of the alleged

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Speaker 5: ultrasound that you had there, right right, So wouldn't it

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Speaker 9: The name that you allegedly went to Planned Parenthood?

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Speaker 4: Under I felt like the whole purpose of going into

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Speaker 4: planned parenthood is to remain anonymous, and that that's one

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Speaker 1: Just to be clear, Laura is testifying that she had

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Speaker 1: never received any records from that appointment. Laura says it's

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Speaker 1: because she went to Planned Parenthood under an anonymous name,

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Speaker 9: I want you to take a look at Exhibit twenty eight.

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Speaker 5: Is this a true and accurate picture of the ultrasound

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Speaker 9: On July twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: That looks like it, Yes, and Miss Owens, this ultrasound

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Speaker 5: image does not say planned parenthood. It says smil, which

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Speaker 5: I'll call smile for purpose of support today.

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Speaker 8: Correct.

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Speaker 4: Correct?

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Speaker 5: And in your deposition you admitted you altered this ultrasound

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Speaker 9: Parenthood, right, correct?

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Speaker 5: And you admitted in your deposition to altering this picture

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Speaker 9: At your house right correct.

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Speaker 5: During the deposition, you testify that the date listed here

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Speaker 9: Had it been edited by you, right correct.

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Speaker 5: But you later admit that you lied about this July

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Speaker 5: seventh ultrasoundate right correct, and you execute an affidavit on

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Speaker 5: April sixteenth of.

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Speaker 9: Twenty twenty four claiming.

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Speaker 5: The date for this already doctored ultrasound was actually July

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Speaker 9: So I want to get this straight. The sons.

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Speaker 5: You initially claimed you had an ultrasound at Planned Parenthood

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Speaker 5: on July seventh, which you doctor to say it was

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Speaker 5: from Smile right correct. Then the story changes again and

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Speaker 5: changed the date on the ultrasound from July second to.

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Speaker 9: July seventh, correct correct, And you utilize.

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Speaker 5: This alter or fake ultrasound to try to convince mister

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Speaker 5: Eckert and the court and the media that you were

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Speaker 9: Mister Eckerds twins.

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Speaker 4: This was never submitted to the court.

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Speaker 9: You're aware that Planned Parenthood has no record of an

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Speaker 4: Correct, under my real name, yes iMore.

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Speaker 5: And again we've established you didn't provide our office with

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Speaker 9: Parenthood under correct.

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Speaker 5: Correct, You never attended an aployment of Planned Parenthood in

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Speaker 4: Yes, I did.

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Speaker 1: The contradictions in Laura's story are maddening. If Laura had

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Speaker 1: records would prove she was pregnant when she said she was,

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Speaker 1: But Laura couldn't produce them for the courts, and she

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Speaker 9: Can you take a little exhibit B twenty nine.

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Speaker 5: This is a true and accurate copy of our requests

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Speaker 5: in response from Planned Parenthood regarding your record of state

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Speaker 5: in April twenty sixth and twenty twenty four correct.

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Speaker 4: Correct. I don't believe I've seen this, but I have

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Speaker 5: And while you've indicated today that you went to Planned

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Speaker 5: Parenthood under a fake name. This letter actually indicates that

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Speaker 5: you have scheduled an appointment for July second, but that

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Speaker 5: you failed to attend.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 5: It also indicates that the ultrasound image that you claimed

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Speaker 4: Right, not by the one in mission VIAO correct zones.

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Speaker 9: These are yes or no questions.

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Speaker 5: This document states that the ultrasound image you have claimed

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Speaker 5: is from panned Parenthood is not consistent with ultrasound images

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Speaker 5: generated by their practice.

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Speaker 4: Right, by that practice, but as they said, I could

455
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Speaker 4: have been seen by another different entity the zones.

456
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Speaker 5: You're well aware that this request covered all of Orange

457
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 5: County and San Bernardino.

458
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 4: It didn't cover Los Angeles though.

459
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Speaker 9: So now you're saying you went to Planned Parenthood in

460
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Speaker 9: Los Angeles.

461
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 5: Yes, so you're telling us you went to Planned Parenthood

462
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 5: in Los Angeles on the day of trial today?

463
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Speaker 9: Yes, Okay, when did you go to plan Parenthood in

464
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 9: Los Angeles?

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Speaker 4: Exactly when I said I When was that July second?

466
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: You can hear Deandra's frustration. She'd been preparing for this

467
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: cross for months but on the stand, Laura was introducing

468
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: new information, shifting her testimony yet again, like claiming she

469
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: went to Planned Parenthood in Los Angeles, not Mission Viejo.

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Speaker 1: That was a convenient correction because Clayton's attorneys hadn't subpoenaed

471
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: records for the Planned parenthoods in Los Angeles. Like we

472
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: said earlier, the trial was timed. They only had two

473
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: hours to get through everything. So Deandra moved on to

474
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Speaker 1: another staggering admission of Laura's.

475
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 9: I'd like to go back to the two sacks you passed.

476
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 5: So again in your deposition, you claimed you passed them

477
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 5: in September or October, right, yes, but then you changed

478
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 5: the date and claim that you passed these two sacks

479
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Speaker 5: on July twenty third of twenty twenty three, right right,

480
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Speaker 5: And you actually had an appointment schedule with doctor mccapoole,

481
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Speaker 5: who you've claimed is your high risk perionatologist, for July

482
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 5: twenty fourth of twenty twenty three, right.

483
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: Right, that I canceled dayse prior, a perinatologist specializes in

484
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: fetal medicine. Laura told the court she made an appointment

485
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Speaker 1: with one because she had a history of multiple miscarriages.

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Speaker 5: So wouldn't you agree with me that for someone who

487
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 5: has had miscarriages in the past, and who has an

488
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 5: alleged high risk pregnancy, it would be prudent to attend

489
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Speaker 5: an in person appointment shortly after passing two sacks.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's why I asked the doctors online.

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Speaker 9: Well, these are yes or no questions. I see you're

492
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 9: looking at your attorney, but you were shaking the question

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Speaker 9: for me.

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Speaker 4: Okay, can you ask the question again?

495
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Speaker 1: Laura seemed flustered. DeAndre knows how to read a witness,

496
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: and she told me she picked up on Laura's physical cues.

497
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Speaker 5: There was a point where I noticed, when I was

498
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 5: cross examining her that I had completely lost her eye contact,

499
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Speaker 5: and it was very apparent to me that she was

500
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Speaker 5: looking behind me.

501
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: The vibe in the room shifted when people realized Laura

502
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: wasn't even looking at the person questioning her. Instead, she

503
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: was focused on her attorney, David Jingras, who appeared to

504
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: be making gestures from the sidelines. DeAndre decided to continue

505
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: her cross examination because she couldn't afford to lose any

506
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: more time. Instead of stopping the clock, she just moved positions.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to stand here because it seems like

508
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 5: you're looking at mister Gingris quite a bit for guidance.

509
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 4: No, I don't need it. I don't need guidance from

510
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 4: my attorney. I know how to answer the questions.

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Speaker 1: DeAndre had a whole stack of documents and exhibits she

512
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: wanted to get to. Given the time limitations, she had

513
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: to decide on the spot which wants to focus on.

514
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: One of these exhibits was an hCG test Laura claimed

515
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: to have taken at a doctor's office. hCG is a

516
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: hormone your body produces during pregnancy. Anything above twenty five

517
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: indicates a pregnancy, and as a typical pregnancy progresses, hCG

518
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: levels can rise to over two hundred thousand.

519
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 9: You doctored this particular test twice, Miss Owen's correct.

520
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 4: I doctored the test once.

521
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: Okay?

522
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 14: When was that?

523
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: When I tried to send it to Dave Neil to

524
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: get him to stop creating harassing videos at me?

525
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: Let me explain. Months earlier, Laura had sent content creator

526
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: Dave Neil a copy of her hCG test in an

527
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: attempt to prove to him that she was actually pregnant.

528
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: It looked like it came from a doctor's office. The

529
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: thing is Dave had already seen a copy of this

530
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: same hCG test. It was publicly available on Laura's attorney's blog.

531
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Speaker 1: But the test Dave had a copy of had a

532
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: wildly different hCG level. The two tests had the same

533
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: date on them, October sixteenth, twenty twenty three. Dave sent

534
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: the copy of the test he'd received to Clayton's attorneys.

535
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 9: And what amounts did you doctor the hCG level.

536
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: Two for that particular I it was like one hundred

537
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 4: and two thousand, I believe.

538
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: Here, Laura starts to get tripped up on her own story.

539
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: She admits to altering the test and sending it to Dave,

540
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: but she doesn't remember if she photoshopped the level to

541
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: be one hundred and two thousand or one hundred thirty

542
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: one thousand, nine hundred two.

543
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 5: The sounds you'll recognize this as a books like the

544
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 5: same test from October sixteenth, but it has an hCG

545
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: level different than what you just syndicated, And it says

546
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty one thousand and nine oh two.

547
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 9: Okay, yes, that's so. You've also doctored this test.

548
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: No, I didn't know what the number was that I

549
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: had made it.

550
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 5: To as of October seventeenth, twenty twenty three, when you received.

551
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 9: This test result, you had reason to believe you were not.

552
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: Pregnant, right, Yes, after doing some research?

553
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, But then you proceeded to lionder oath at

554
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 5: hearings before this court on October twenty fourth, October twenty fifth,

555
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 5: and November second.

556
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 9: Correct, that's not correct.

557
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 5: No, Instead of telling the truth, you tampered with this

558
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 5: hCG test to increase the level and offer that as

559
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 5: support for a.

560
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: Pregnancy to a content creator, not to the court.

561
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: On the stand, Laura's credibility was crumbling.

562
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Speaker 5: During the November second hearing, you denied that the DNA

563
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 5: test results came back with little tobield DNA right.

564
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 9: What During the November second hearing, I.

565
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: Said that the test the question is on.

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Speaker 1: One of Deandre's next questions was a real simple one.

567
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: Had Laura been seen in person by a doctor during

568
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: this alleged pregnancy.

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Speaker 5: You also testify on November second unequivocally that your obdyns

570
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 5: were doctor McCool and doctor Hagley.

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00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 9: Right right.

572
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 5: In fact, you went so far as to state that

573
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 5: your main obd yn is the Perry and atologist, doctor

574
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 5: McCool right.

575
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: Correct.

576
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 5: You further testified on November second you had last seen

577
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 5: doctor Higgley on last Friday, right right.

578
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 9: You lied to the court when you need those statements.

579
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: I had the appointment scheduled, which you guys have no questions,

580
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: I know, but they It needs to be answered, correct,

581
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: It needs to be answered. I had an appointment scheduled

582
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 4: with him that I did not attend. But I did

583
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 4: have an appointment scheduled.

584
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 5: Okay, So when you say you were seen by a doctor,

585
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 5: that's not the same as having an appointment scheduled.

586
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: Correct.

587
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 9: Correct, So we would agree that.

588
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 5: You were dishonest when you said you were physically seen

589
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 5: by doctor Higgley the friday before the November second hearing.

590
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 4: Correct. That's a very minor thing.

591
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: You can hear the courtroom's audible reaction.

592
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, really, it's always yeah. I mean, if this is good,

593
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: I am not comfortable if this if the JFC crew

594
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: is going to be having reactions.

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00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Honestly, JFC stands for Justice for Clayton. It's a term

596
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: that kind of became a calling card for the online detectives.

597
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: Laura often refers to anyone who questions her as part

598
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: of JFC, but on that day in court, the truth

599
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: was Laura got caught in her own lies.

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00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 7: DeAndre asked her about the medical fraud, and Laura says,

601
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 7: what was just a little bit? And that's when you

602
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 7: heard everyone just growing like, oh my god.

603
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 8: I even did.

604
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 7: I was like, oh my gosh, like a little bit

605
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 7: of medical fraud, like as if we can downplay that.

606
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: Deandrew remembers this moment well. She felt Maura's answer very telling.

607
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 5: I think that response gave insight into how she views

608
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 5: things and perhaps why we were in that situation, why

609
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 5: the trial was happening.

610
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: Judge Mata stepped in to address the interruption.

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Speaker 9: Okay, I'm going to.

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00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 11: Stop the clock at this time. Counsel, you ask questions, ma'am,

613
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 11: you answer the questions. I could ask the gallery to

614
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 11: please keep your you know, think I'm still talking, man,

615
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 11: keep your comments to a minimum, or you will be

616
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 11: asked to leave.

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00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 9: Go ahead.

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00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 5: Counsel Miss owns you've never been seen by doctor McCool

619
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: or doctor Higley for any medical appointment.

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00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 14: Correct.

621
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 5: Correct, and the records from doctor mccool's office indicate that

622
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 5: you made four appointments that.

623
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 9: You never attended.

624
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 5: Correct, correct, And the records from doctor Higgley's office that

625
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 5: we obtained indicate that they have no records for you

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00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 5: from August twenty twenty through the present.

627
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 4: Right, I'm sorry, you said, doctor Higley or doctor McCool.

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00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 4: I'm can I like take a minute, you know?

629
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Speaker 8: Can we have just a five minute recess?

630
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 9: Sure at this time?

631
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 8: No, go ahead?

632
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 11: What we're gonna say, counsel.

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Speaker 9: I'm just concerned about our times and strength, that's all

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Speaker 9: your owners.

635
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 11: Well, we've factored in a ten minute breaks. So what

636
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 11: we'll do is we'll take it now and then when

637
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 11: we come back, there will be no further break. So

638
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 11: that's just something for the parties to keep in mind,

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00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 11: all right.

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00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Right, as things were falling up heart, the court hit

641
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: a pause. Once they resumed, Deandra didn't miss a beat.

642
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: She picked up the questioning exactly where she left off.

643
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Had Laura actually attended the doctor's appointments she claimed she had,

644
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: and were there any records to prove it?

645
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 5: I want you to take a look at what's our

646
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 5: exhibit seventeen, page one ten. This is a picture you

647
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 5: took of a portion of a page from banner correct?

648
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 9: Correct? Where's the rest of the document? Miss owns?

649
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 4: Clayton had it.

650
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 5: I'm asking you where is the rest of the document

651
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 5: in this particular exhibit.

652
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, but there's nothing I was trying to

653
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: hide from it. Clayton got the entire thing.

654
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 9: Zones.

655
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Speaker 5: You recognize you've been accused of faking records in this case, right, yes,

656
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 5: and you expect the court to accept a picture of

657
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Speaker 5: a portion of an alleged record.

658
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: You guys got the results yourselves, so either yes or

659
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 4: no question. That's not fair.

660
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 5: Opportunity to conduct redirect examination and you can elaborate.

661
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 4: Then you guys know that you have the results of

662
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: this that show the same thing. So I wasn't hiding

663
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 4: anything here. That's not fair.

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Speaker 9: I have to move on. So i'd asked if the

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Speaker 9: court find this is nonresponsive.

666
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 11: Corbel designator does non responsive.

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00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 5: For someone who's been involved in court cases NonStop since

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Speaker 5: at least twenty sixteen, You.

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Speaker 4: Know what, that's not accurate. I have not been involved NonStop.

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Speaker 11: Since it's not the clock for a moment, and I'm

671
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 11: going to remind the Parties Council you ask a question, Maam,

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00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 11: you answer the question, otherwise we move into a different

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Speaker 11: area that I don't think anyone wants to go into.

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Speaker 14: Council reversum.

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Speaker 5: Miz Owen's you have been involved in court cases since

676
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Speaker 5: at least twenty sixteen?

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Speaker 14: Correct?

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Speaker 4: NonStop? Or are you saying since twenty sixteen? Can you

679
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 4: just rephrase the question?

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Speaker 9: Answered the question as I've asked it.

681
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Speaker 5: You've been involved in court cases since twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, DeAndre I wanted to ask Laura about her

683
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: case with Greg Gillespie, but her time was almost up.

684
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: She concluded with a final, very memorable question.

685
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Speaker 9: Zon's I want to give you one more opportunity. The

686
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 9: media is here.

687
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 5: You know that this case has gone viral. You have

688
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 5: an opportunity right now to come clean and start fresh.

689
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Speaker 5: So I'm going to ask you one final time. You

690
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 5: were never pregnant? By Clayton Eckerd Correct.

691
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: Clayton's attorney ended her cross examination of Laura Owens with

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Speaker 1: a jaw dropping question.

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Speaker 9: When I asked that.

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Speaker 5: Question at the end, like I really wanted to give

695
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Speaker 5: her the chance to do the right thing. Frankly, it

696
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 5: might have been a waste of a cross examination.

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Speaker 8: Question.

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Speaker 5: Because I knew how she was going to most like

699
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 5: the answer, I still wanted to give her a chance

700
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Speaker 5: to see.

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Speaker 9: So I'm going to ask you one final time. You

702
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Speaker 9: were never pregnant by Clayton Eckert correct.

703
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Speaker 4: That is absolutely incorrect.

704
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Speaker 1: With Laura's testimony concluded, the trial shifted to a battle

705
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Speaker 1: of the experts. Each side got to present expert witnesses.

706
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: Laura's attorney started by calling retired OBGYN doctor Michael Medschill.

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Speaker 12: Mister Eckert has said that he doesn't believe that a

708
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 12: pregnancy was possible here because there was no intercourse. Do

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Speaker 12: you have an opinion about that regarding general, not regarding

710
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Speaker 12: him or her, but in general.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's said that men are like basketball players. They

712
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 13: dribble before they shoot. They also dribble afterwards. And if

713
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 13: you are rubbing genitalia together, it is possible.

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Speaker 8: To get pregnant.

715
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Speaker 1: As you can imagine, this dribble before you shoot moment

716
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: became instantly iconic in the online community. Clayton's side called

717
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Speaker 1: doctor Samantha Deanes, a former associate medical director at Planned Parenthood.

718
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: She was there to answer one question, in particular, could

719
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Speaker 1: someone be seen by a doctor at Planned Parenthood anonymously.

720
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 8: Laura claimed it was anonymous and from Planned Parenthood any

721
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Speaker 8: thoughts about that.

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Speaker 15: Patients cannot be seen anonymously at Planned Parenthood. Having been

723
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Speaker 15: a former medical director of Planed Parenthood PPFA, which is

724
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Speaker 15: our national guidelines, require identification at the time of a

725
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 15: visit to confirm the identity of the patient.

726
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Speaker 9: The patient can't be seen anonymously.

727
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Speaker 1: After expert witnesses, it was finally time for Clayton to

728
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Speaker 1: take the stand. You've heard him tell his side of

729
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 1: the story in this podcast, but this was his chance

730
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Speaker 1: to say it under oath. Despite the pressure of the courtroom,

731
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Speaker 1: Clayton's story remained consistent.

732
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Speaker 8: I'm going to be lightning fast. State your name to

733
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Speaker 8: the court Clayton.

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Speaker 1: Record, wouldn't Itck had prepared him well. Clayton was uncharacteristically concise.

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Speaker 8: How did you meet Laura?

736
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Speaker 7: Laura targeted me on LinkedIn. She asked to do real estate.

737
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Speaker 7: We ended up exchanging contact NFL. She became flirtatious, sent

738
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Speaker 7: me a provocative photo. I told her to come over

739
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Speaker 7: and then we saw Holmes the next day.

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Speaker 8: Did you have sex with Laura? Absolutely not. I've said

741
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Speaker 8: time and time again she performed oral on me twice.

742
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Speaker 5: That's it.

743
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Speaker 14: Have you heard two other versions about what happened?

744
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Speaker 7: Absolutely many versions. She's claimed that she was raped by

745
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 7: Miche also claims I was too high to remember what

746
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Speaker 7: happened that day.

747
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Speaker 2: I'm going to repeat what you just said. She claimed

748
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Speaker 2: you were she was raped by you and that you

749
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Speaker 2: were too high to remember.

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Speaker 8: That's correct.

751
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Speaker 14: Were you too high to remember?

752
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Speaker 8: Well, that's incorrect. I remember every single thing from that night.

753
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Speaker 8: Did you rape her?

754
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Speaker 9: I did not.

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Speaker 1: Then wouldn't it ask Clayton to describe some graphic details

756
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Speaker 1: from the night of May twentieth.

757
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Speaker 8: You stated that she had gave you oral sex twice

758
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Speaker 8: that evening. Is that correct? That's correct?

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Speaker 14: Where did you complete off both times? What happened the

760
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Speaker 14: second time?

761
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Speaker 8: She ran straight to the bathroom?

762
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Speaker 13: What?

763
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Speaker 1: Nick says The reason he asked this question is because

764
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Speaker 1: he always found it to be a suspicious detail in

765
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Speaker 1: Clayton's story. He told me he's never ruled out a

766
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: kind of spit maneuver. It was a possible way Laura

767
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Speaker 1: could have been pregnated herself while she was in the bathroom,

768
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Speaker 1: which is not to suggest he believes Laura was actually pregnant,

769
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Speaker 1: but just that he believes anything is possible.

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Speaker 14: Were your fluids ever down there, as Laura has claimed?

771
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Speaker 13: No?

772
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Speaker 8: What happened the next days?

773
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Speaker 7: The next day we went and saw houses. I told

774
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Speaker 7: her that I crossed the professional boundary. I told her

775
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Speaker 7: that that was a one time thing. It would not

776
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Speaker 7: happen again. She became very agitated at that point, was

777
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Speaker 7: crying and asked for me to give her a chance.

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Speaker 2: Well, hang on for a second. She came over to

779
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Speaker 2: your house. She gave you oral sex twice. The next

780
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Speaker 2: day you told her you weren't interested in her.

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Speaker 8: That's correct, I rejected her. Yes, and then four days later?

782
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Speaker 8: What happened?

783
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Speaker 7: Four days later she started making claims that she could

784
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Speaker 7: possibly be pregnant, But a.

785
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Speaker 8: Hang on, did your penis ever go insider accidentally, inadvertently

786
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Speaker 8: or anything like that?

787
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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 1: Wood Nick also took a minute to acknowledge the reason

789
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Speaker 1: the courtroom was so packed.

790
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Speaker 8: You're a public figure, You're the bachelor, and that's why

791
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Speaker 8: everyone's watching today.

792
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Speaker 14: Are you embarrassed to say who you've had sex with? Clayton?

793
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Speaker 8: I think I'm the last person to lie about who

794
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Speaker 8: I've been intimate with.

795
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Speaker 1: This is a reference to the Rose ceremony from Hell

796
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: on the Bachelor when he told two women he'd had

797
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Speaker 1: sex with both of them while they were both standing

798
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Speaker 1: in front of him with cameras rolling. Clayton certainly wasn't

799
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Speaker 1: afraid to go on the record about his sex life.

800
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Speaker 8: Did you have penile vaginal sex whatsoever with Laura Lewis? No?

801
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 8: Absolutely not. Has that been your story since day one?

802
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 8: My story. My story's been consistent since day one. I'm

803
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 8: going to show you exhibit number three. Did Laura start

804
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 8: communicating with you more after she said she thought she

805
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 8: was pregnant at four days? Yes, NonStop.

806
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 7: She sent me over five hundred emails and text messages,

807
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Speaker 7: thirteen different phone numbers.

808
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Speaker 14: Thirteen phone numbers.

809
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Speaker 8: How many messages? Over five hundred.

810
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Speaker 1: Many of those emails and messages were admitted as evidence,

811
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Speaker 1: wouldn't it directed Clayton's attention to one email in particular,

812
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: and it's one you've.

813
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 8: Heard before, specifically Exhibit number seven. I think you stated

814
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 8: that it was a true and accurate copy. I think

815
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 8: the caption says the final opportunity to consider abortion. Do

816
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 8: you remember getting this from Laura? Yes. Further down in

817
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 8: that email, Clayton and this will get awkward. But further down.

818
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 8: In that email on July first, which was weeks after

819
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 8: the alleged encounter, Laura references her tight vagina.

820
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Speaker 14: Why is that both uncomfortable and relevant to the court.

821
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Speaker 7: Today Because she's stating that if I would have felt

822
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Speaker 7: how tight her vagina was, I might change my mind,

823
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 7: which is her stating that I never penetrator.

824
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 8: We never had penetrated sex.

825
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 14: Wait.

826
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Speaker 8: The exhibit that the court just received has Laura saying

827
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Speaker 8: that her vagina was tight, as if you hadn't been

828
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 8: in there before. That is correct, Well, had you been

829
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 8: in there before?

830
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Speaker 3: Not?

831
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Speaker 13: No?

832
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 8: All right?

833
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 14: She also sent you communications in exhibit number.

834
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Speaker 8: Seven talking about wanting to have sex with you during

835
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Speaker 8: a week, a trial week. What was that about.

836
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, she said that she would be the safest person

837
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 7: to have sex with us since she was already pregnant.

838
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Speaker 8: We hang on for a second. She told you she

839
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Speaker 8: wanted to have sex with you because she was already pregnant.

840
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 8: That's correct. How did you feel when you read that email? Clayton,

841
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 8: I'm being sick to my stomach. All of this has

842
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 8: made me sick.

843
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: Clayton sped through his testimony in twelve minutes. By contrast,

844
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Speaker 1: Laura's had taken almost an hour. Her attorney already used

845
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: his allotted time for questioning, so there wasn't a cross examination.

846
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: After Clayton's testimony, the trial was over.

847
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Speaker 7: I felt like I had just basically ran for two

848
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 7: hours straight, full sprints. I was running on adrenaline the

849
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 7: entire time that I was in the courtroom, because for me,

850
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 7: it was we're either going to get the outcome we

851
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 7: want or we're going to be silenced. My fear was

852
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 7: what happens if a judge just says, you know what,

853
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 7: let's just drop it all and just move on.

854
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: Before the trial adjourned, Judge Mada told the courtroom what

855
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: to expect next.

856
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 11: So at this time, what the court's going to do is,

857
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 11: I'll take this under advisement. What that means is I'm

858
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Speaker 11: going to go back. I'm going to review the notes.

859
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 11: But I said today, I'm going to review the evidence

860
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 11: that was admitted to the court, and then everyone will

861
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Speaker 11: receive my order.

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Speaker 1: In writing, Arizona law gives a judge up to sixty

863
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: days to give their ruling. Now, the record was closed

864
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: and Clayton was stuck in a holding pattern. His attorneys

865
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Speaker 1: were cautiously optimistic.

866
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Speaker 3: We definitely felt the trial went well.

867
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Speaker 2: But listen, I have lost trials that I have thought

868
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Speaker 2: I was going to win, and I have won trials

869
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Speaker 2: that I thought I had lost.

870
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Speaker 3: With a bench trial where the judge is acting as

871
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: the judge and jury, you just never know.

872
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Speaker 1: A week later, Judge Mada released her ruling. It's nineteen

873
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Speaker 1: pages long and incredibly thorough. We've had a voice actor

874
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Speaker 1: read some of the judge's decision.

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Speaker 6: The court finds that petitioner Laura Owens acted unreasonably when

876
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 6: she initiated litigation without basis or merit, without an authentic

877
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 6: ultrasound sonogram, physical examination, and in conjunction with a belief

878
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 6: she passed tissue in July twenty twenty three. The court

879
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 6: finds the underlying petition premature at best, at worst fraudulent,

880
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 6: and made to incite communication, a relationship, or both with

881
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 6: the respondent, Clayton Eckert.

882
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Speaker 1: In other words, Clayton won the judge granted his petition

883
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Speaker 1: for non paternity.

884
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Speaker 7: I felt relief whenever Judge Mada made that ruling, because

885
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 7: that's all I wanted. I knew my truth the entire

886
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 7: time that I was fighting her, but I needed a

887
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 7: legal document unfortunately, like it doesn't matter what I believe

888
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 7: my truth to be, I need something to corroborate my

889
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 7: story and.

890
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Speaker 4: I got that.

891
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Speaker 7: So when I got it, it was just basically like

892
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Speaker 7: the weight I lifted and I could take a sigh relief.

893
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Speaker 8: I'm like, Okay, I won, But.

894
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: Judge Mata didn't stop at the non paternity ruling.

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Speaker 6: The court further finds the petition was filed for an

896
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 6: improper purpose, such as to harass the other party, to

897
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Speaker 6: cause an unnecessary delay, or to increase the cost of

898
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Speaker 6: litigation to the other party. On the day of the trial,

899
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Speaker 6: she testified that she anonymously sought care at a planned

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Speaker 6: parenthood in Los Angeles. This undoubtedly caused respondent to incur

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00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 6: substantial legal fees attempting to locate records that may or

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00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 6: may not exist in Los Angeles but now appear to

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Speaker 6: have never existed in Mission Baho. Additionally, petitioner acknowledged she

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Speaker 6: altered hCG test results an ultrasound and sonogram. The court

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Speaker 6: finds petitioner provided false testimony as to the viability of

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Speaker 6: the pregnancy in all three cases addressed in the procedural history.

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Speaker 6: Laura Owens knowingly presented a false claim, knowingly violated a

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Speaker 6: court order compelling disclosure or discovery such that an award

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Speaker 6: of attorney fees and costs is appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Laura was ordered by the courts to pay Clayton's legal

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Speaker 1: fees and costs. It's a hefty bill, and at the

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Speaker 1: time I'm recording this, Laura still hasn't paid it. It's

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Speaker 1: a steep consequence for her actions, but there's a chance

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be the only consequence she'd have to face.

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Speaker 6: It is further ordered the court, having determined that Laura

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Speaker 6: Owens has a pattern of similar, if not identical behavior

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Speaker 6: and court involvement, referring this matter to the Maricopa County

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Speaker 6: Attorney's Office for a view of Laura Owens's.

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Speaker 1: Actions, judgemudiabls Leap Laura's behavior warranted a criminal investigation. Wood

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Speaker 1: Nick was floored.

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Speaker 2: You don't see that often, but you also don't see

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Speaker 2: people like Laura Owen's abusing the court system the way

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Speaker 2: she did.

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Speaker 1: Referrals to the County attorney are not a common outcome

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Speaker 1: and family court. They are a rare consequence for those

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Speaker 1: who pushed the judicial system past its breaking point.

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Speaker 2: And I think Judge Mata was rightfully concerned with what happened,

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Speaker 2: rightfully troubled that someone would come to court and continue

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Speaker 2: with what was so obviously a lie. I think Laura

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Speaker 2: did herself absolutely no favor with the changing of the

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Speaker 2: planned parenthood testing location on the stand when someone is

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Speaker 2: willing to do that and waste the time of the court,

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Speaker 2: the resources of the court.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't just Judge Matta's courtroom.

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Speaker 2: Remember I think there were two or three prior judges

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Speaker 2: just in Arizona who had dealt with Laura. There was

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Speaker 2: one or two commissioners on the protective order matters, plus

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Speaker 2: Judge Matta's time, plus judicial staff time, plus clerk time,

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Speaker 2: plus security time dealing with it, and I think Judge

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Speaker 2: Manta said, you know what you deserve to have this

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Speaker 2: matter referred to the County attorney. Remember, Judge Matta didn't

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Speaker 2: decide to charge Laura Ball. Judge Matta did was say,

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Speaker 2: you know, someone ought to take a look at what

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Speaker 2: happened and do a deeper dive here to see if

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Speaker 2: there's criminal ramifications. But she did was say, hey, look,

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Speaker 2: County Attorney's office, you all need to look at this.

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Speaker 1: The county attorney took her recommendation and started digging, and

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Speaker 1: what they would find could finally bring Laura's actions to

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Speaker 1: a stop.

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Speaker 2: I think it's extremely rare for people to go the

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Speaker 2: distance that Laura did. Lye say what you want about

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Speaker 2: Laura Owens, but she was all in. I think as

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Speaker 2: I say this, she is still all in on her.

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Speaker 1: Hi, there's one more moment from the trial that you

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Speaker 1: haven't heard yet.

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Speaker 5: Between twenty fourteen and the present, you have alleged that

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Speaker 5: you were pregnant by four different men, correct, Correct, And

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Speaker 5: all four of those men told you one way or

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Speaker 5: another that they believe you fabricated those pregnancies.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 4: The first was not so specific about that, and three

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Speaker 4: of them are here today, right. Correct.

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Speaker 1: Remember at the beginning of the episode, when Woodnick arrived

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Speaker 1: in court to find Laura's lawyer panicking and pulling nine

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Speaker 1: to one one.

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Speaker 2: Her attorney said, I'm not sure if she's even going

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Speaker 2: to go into the courtroom because she's so scared.

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Speaker 1: The person she was scared of a witness. Wouldnick had

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Speaker 1: subpoena someone who didn't have a chance to take the stand.

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Speaker 8: My name is Mike Perriccini. I dated Laura from March

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Speaker 8: twenty sixteen through summer of twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Love Trapped, I.

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Speaker 12: Remember in total, she had told me she had two

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Speaker 12: pregnancies and six abortion attempts were made.

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Speaker 8: I don't know how this is possible, he says to me.

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Speaker 8: I promise I will get you out of this relationship.

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Speaker 13: No way.

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Speaker 8: Her mom is gaslighting me right now about her daughter

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Speaker 8: having cancer.

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