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Speaker 3: One more thing, a bunch of peach eaters around there

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Speaker 1: Do you I don't remember do you have this? Katie? You?

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Speaker 1: been to understand mesophonium. It took over twenty years for

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Speaker 1: These cues known as triggers. I hate the word trigger.

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Speaker 1: Who is chewing sounds?

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Speaker 3: But you're right though in your introduction, the peach may

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Speaker 3: Personally, one stick your nose, whatever's in there, deal with it.

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Speaker 1: For one of the reasons spies that somebody could click

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Speaker 2: You put me on edge.

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Speaker 3: The other day is riding with some people who I'm

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Speaker 3: you are?

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Speaker 2: Which one is it?

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Speaker 3: Because it is one or the other, you are either

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Speaker 3: in which case you're a nahole.

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Speaker 1: Right, I've always gone with or wondered you realize if

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Speaker 1: we all did that, this whole thing would fall apart, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be confidence in here. Nobody'd hear the movie or.

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Speaker 1: The cutting in line with If everybody did this would

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Speaker 2: So well, it'd like it look like Doorbuster Day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, on the day after Thanksgiving, your Black Friday sale

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Speaker 3: where people are murdering each other over a seventy dollars

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Speaker 3: toaster of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm not triggered by flip flops or hard

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Speaker 1: sea sounds. But anyway, the final paragraph here I thought

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Speaker 1: was really good. The strong negative emotional response is more

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Speaker 1: The reaction is very consistent. For people with missphonia. It

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Speaker 1: almost is always described as either anger or disgust, or

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Speaker 1: some combination thereof. The consensus definition also includes irritation and rage.

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Speaker 1: I get actual rage and I hate it. I try to, like,

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Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. You don't need to be this upset

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Speaker 1: about somebody eating a peach, but I can't control it.

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Speaker 1: Many people report panic and anxiety. Yeah, I need to

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Speaker 1: run from the room. But this seems to be secondary

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Speaker 1: and a value to have more about anticipation and whether

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Speaker 1: they'll be able to hand the situation in public. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting. I think, like, am I gonna? Am

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Speaker 1: I gonna make a fool of myself at some point

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Speaker 1: by going, God, dang it, stop eating that beach. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be that person. If I didn't

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Speaker 1: have miss a Phony and somebody else was explaining it

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Speaker 1: to me, I would think you are a picky a hole.

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Speaker 1: Get over it, That is what I would think, Ron.

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Speaker 1: But because I do have it, I realize I got

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Speaker 2: Interesting how many human quirks.

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Speaker 3: Have that same aspect to them that we should be

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like I'm an alcoholic and believe that's a thing.

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Speaker 1: But like people who have gambling problems, I think, get

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Speaker 1: a grip, grow up, don't be stupid.

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Speaker 3: So let's see how long it takes Jack to catch on.

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Speaker 3: Ain't wasting time?

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Speaker 2: No more?

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Speaker 3: Slash Melissa, Melissa, Slash Blue Sky, One.

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Speaker 2: Way Out, No Good.

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Speaker 3: Those are the fabulous cuts from the Allman Brothers classic

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Speaker 3: album Eat a Peach.

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Speaker 1: Oh that clever, very clever.

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Speaker 2: Tie it back to what we already talked about.

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Speaker 3: We'll circle, right, Michael, That's what I was trying to do.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Michael, you know, for me, it wasn't never a

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Speaker 2: loud noise or anything. It was copyright infringement. I would

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Speaker 2: run the sports bars.

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Speaker 3: It took over my life and demand the letter that

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Speaker 3: they sent the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it drove me nuts. Took over my life. Well,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's it.