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Speaker 1: This is episode ninety six of Native Land Pod. We
Speaker 1: are your host, Tiffany Crost, Andrew Gillum and Angela Rye
Speaker 1: Rocking the cat today, rocking the cat, but spitting.
Speaker 4: No cat exactly down.
Speaker 3: Exactly all right, let's get ready to pay for that.
Speaker 5: Andrews stopped it, but I know, but you ain't got
Speaker 5: to do an extra plug. Let's get so well.
Speaker 1: Speaking of plug, let's plug what we're talking about today, Angela?
Speaker 3: What you got.
Speaker 5: As of Wednesday morning?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: An excerpt from Kamala Harris's book One hundred and seven
Speaker 5: Days was released on The Atlantic and I am very
Speaker 5: eager to talk about that and whether or not y'all
Speaker 5: read it.
Speaker 4: That's real, co host. I think we got bombs dropping
Speaker 4: over sovereign states of of of Qatar. We got Trump
Speaker 4: dropping bomb on speed boats in the Caribbean. We have
Speaker 4: Russia invading Poland's airspace. Everybody is violating right now on
Speaker 4: the international scale, and love to talk about the implications
Speaker 4: of that on us.
Speaker 1: I have questions for you on that, Andrews. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I understand all of it, and our audience
Speaker 1: probably doesn't either. So looking forward to that, I want
Speaker 1: to get into this idea of Trump having a third term.
Speaker 1: He has been toying with this idea, but this week,
Speaker 1: in particular, Supreme Court Justices Amy Tony Barrett and Sonya
Speaker 1: Solo Mayor were asked about it, and I just don't
Speaker 1: think that society or the media is taking it seriously enough.
Speaker 3: So it looks like we have a lot to get into.
Speaker 5: Let's rock, Yeah, okay, y'all. So I want to start
Speaker 5: with this quote from the excerpt that was released in
Speaker 5: The Atlantic on Wednesday morning. On Wednesday morning, they're thinking
Speaker 5: was zero sum. If she's shining, he's dimmed. None of
Speaker 5: them grasped that if I did well, he did well,
Speaker 5: that given the concerns about his age, my visible success
Speaker 5: as his vice president was vital. It would serve as
Speaker 5: a testament to his judgment in choosing me and reassurance
Speaker 5: that if something happened, the country was in good hands.
Speaker 5: My success was important for him. His team didn't get it,
Speaker 5: and I wanted to start there because I think that
Speaker 5: many of us who have or interfaced with the Biden
Speaker 5: administration at all. This was not a quiet rumbling. This
Speaker 5: was something that was regularly discussed about how they were
Speaker 5: handling Kamala Harris, what her portfolio was, Why was that
Speaker 5: her portfolio? When was she going to get out front
Speaker 5: and lead on some things? And I think really it
Speaker 5: took until well into their third year, around the Dobbs
Speaker 5: decision where we really saw her go out without him,
Speaker 5: without kind of being restrained or handled by White House staff.
Speaker 5: So this piece, to me was particularly resident because again
Speaker 5: it wasn't a secret for those of us who knew her,
Speaker 5: or know this administration or knew that administration, it was
Speaker 5: the least are the worst kept secret. So I do
Speaker 5: think that you know one I want to hear from
Speaker 5: y'all on what you're expecting in this book. Again, it's
Speaker 5: released on September twenty third, but I think that this
Speaker 5: particular passage is fascinating because I thought we've been new this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just say for our viewers. This excerpt
Speaker 1: was dropped in the Atlantic this week. Jeffrey Goldberg had
Speaker 1: a really interesting who of course is the editor of
Speaker 1: the Atlantic, had a really interesting intro even I thought
Speaker 1: with how he introduced it, because he kind of sets
Speaker 1: the tone of you know, there are so political books,
Speaker 1: particularly post more than political books can be incredibly boring,
Speaker 1: and he sets the tone that this is not what
Speaker 1: he was expecting from her. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people, particularly within the Beltway, will be talking about this,
Speaker 1: and so I just want to take a moment and
Speaker 1: tell our listeners. If you guys are talking about it,
Speaker 1: please be sure to tell your friends that NLP tackle
Speaker 1: this topic, this topic and share it among your group chats,
Speaker 1: because we want to know if our thoughts reflect yours
Speaker 1: and want to hear from you.
Speaker 3: Andrew, what's your take on this book?
Speaker 4: You know, just pulling back, I think it's impressive to
Speaker 4: see her really sound like herself. And I guess what
Speaker 4: I mean by that. Again, Angela alluded to this. For
Speaker 4: those of us who have been in you know, contact,
Speaker 4: or have had any real significant relationship with the vice president,
Speaker 4: we know the authentic side, the real side, And I
Speaker 4: think she invites the readers, at least so far in
Speaker 4: this excerpt, and if this is a sign of things
Speaker 4: to come with the full with the full writing of
Speaker 4: the book released later, you know, this month. Then I
Speaker 4: think we're in for a less filtered, almost to unfiltered
Speaker 4: truth teller and Kamala Harris, who's really prepared to square
Speaker 4: up with the ways in which she's been wronged, the
Speaker 4: ways in which the credit that she's rightfully earned has
Speaker 4: not been provided given to her right she hadn't been
Speaker 4: given her flowers. And I also think will get a
Speaker 4: less filtered version of her policy self, so her political self,
Speaker 4: her policy self, and I think her true sort of
Speaker 4: I'm Kamala. I'm Kamala, not the Kamala Harris, but I'm
Speaker 4: kamala introduction for regular ordinary folks who just want to
Speaker 4: know that there are points of relationship, points of relate
Speaker 4: where you where they can say, oh I do that too,
Speaker 4: she does that, Oh I do that too. I think
Speaker 4: that's eluded her for a lot of her political career,
Speaker 4: that relatableness between everyday common folks. And then the only
Speaker 4: other thing I'd say, just sort a big picture would
Speaker 4: be I've already started hearing some of the conversation amongst
Speaker 4: the punditry class sort of reading this excerpt in contrast
Speaker 4: to how Biden would feel, what Biden would think, And
Speaker 4: I just want to say this is her writing, this
Speaker 4: is reflecting her herolding journey, unprecedented in American history lift
Speaker 4: from vice president to presidential contender because the city president
Speaker 4: of the United States steps back from the nomination. So
Speaker 4: it's okay if she centered in this, It's okay for
Speaker 4: the book that she wrote to be about her experience
Speaker 4: from her perspective and not centering Joe Biden in that.
Speaker 4: That's not disloyal. I'm not being disrespectful to him. I'm
Speaker 4: simply reminding us that we can read her words and
Speaker 4: take them as hers in their own singular context without
Speaker 4: having to compare her or contemplate how's this going to
Speaker 4: land with Joe Biden's world.
Speaker 3: You kind of get.
Speaker 1: Into some of my thoughts around this, Andrew, because I
Speaker 1: do think this is a bigger deal to the chattering class,
Speaker 1: to the punditry class than it is to America.
Speaker 3: Writ large.
Speaker 1: I will say when I was reading the excerpt in
Speaker 1: The Atlantic, that she does speak right to the heart
Speaker 1: of black women.
Speaker 3: Like she goes.
Speaker 1: She starts out with speaking to Zeta Phi Beta sorority.
Speaker 1: She gives a shout out to the Divine nine right
Speaker 1: off the top. She talks about the Bulet, and so
Speaker 1: I think there are so many black people who will
Speaker 1: immediately relate to this, and particularly her being this over
Speaker 1: qualified woman who was standing behind and ailing. Some might
Speaker 1: are you failing in health anyway, man, and so yes,
Speaker 1: that will resonate. I also saw a counterpart in that,
Speaker 1: and I think this is where it's always been a
Speaker 1: balance right on what I would personally find interesting versus
Speaker 1: what the audience at large would find interesting. I also
Speaker 1: know there will be people Black people in particular, who
Speaker 1: do not relate to the Bulet, who do not relate
Speaker 1: to the Divine Nine, who do not relate to fraternities
Speaker 1: and sororities in private colleges and HBCUs, and who will
Speaker 1: still feel I do not this writing does not connect
Speaker 1: with me. And so I think a lot of these
Speaker 1: political posts more are so exciting to the Beltwegh class
Speaker 1: and not necessarily to people outside of that, given what's
Speaker 1: happening in the country. I also think I so understand
Speaker 1: her frustration, and it's like I get to tell my story.
Speaker 1: I will not be muzzled in this moment, and I
Speaker 1: want to tell you all this is what happened to me.
Speaker 1: I wonder if the appetite among the American readership, the
Speaker 1: ever dwindling American readership, because we all know how hard
Speaker 1: it is in publishing right now, if the appetite is less,
Speaker 1: like we want to know what happened versus we want
Speaker 1: to know how do we defeat Donald Trump and his minions?
Speaker 1: Right now, I don't know how much people will latch
Speaker 1: onto what was happening last year, given that we are
Speaker 1: in a state of panic right now. So look, personally,
Speaker 1: I am going to consume this book. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I read it and I thought, oh, you are going there,
Speaker 1: and this is an excellent excerpt to read to attract
Speaker 1: you to it. I just don't know if the American
Speaker 1: people have the appetite for it right now. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of black women, black people with disposable income
Speaker 1: will most certainly buy this book, and I anticipated that
Speaker 1: it will spend a lot of time on the New
Speaker 1: York Times bestseller list, and my best wishes to her,
Speaker 1: I hope it does. I have completely divorced myself from
Speaker 1: the Beltway class their opinions about it. Of course, they
Speaker 1: will send her a white man in this and I
Speaker 1: would just if they happen to ever listen to NLP.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they have to reckon with the
Speaker 1: fact we talk all the time. We have a group
Speaker 1: chat when we're together, we talk about things we rarely
Speaker 1: and even in our group.
Speaker 3: Chats outside of each other. I can't tell you.
Speaker 1: The last time somebody has said, oh my god, did
Speaker 1: you guys see what happened on me depressed today?
Speaker 3: Did you guys watch the panopolists today?
Speaker 1: Like they are the anachronisms. Nobody gives this shit what
Speaker 1: they have to say. So the fact that they're centering
Speaker 1: Biden shows how disconnected they are from a multi demographic
Speaker 1: society that has complet lely left them behind. They have
Speaker 1: still trafficked in a media landscape that has been completely
Speaker 1: bleached by their myopic, outdated, anachronistic viewpoints. And she's clear,
Speaker 1: but she is clear to She's like C d G
Speaker 1: A f okay. She's like, I'm coming out, guns of blazing,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying what happened, So we'll see how how
Speaker 1: people respond to it.
Speaker 5: I just I just no, no, no, I think that
Speaker 5: the other part of this, that that is important, based
Speaker 5: on some of the feedback that I'm seeing online, I'm
Speaker 5: curious about it, and I will say in full disclosure
Speaker 5: for those who are watching at home, this is not
Speaker 5: a place where I represent the best of journalistic integrity.
Speaker 5: I'm very biased. I love her deeply, and so I've
Speaker 5: been curious to see what the comments were. And some
Speaker 5: folks are like, why now, why didn't you say that?
Speaker 5: Then you know where have you been? And I think
Speaker 5: all of those questions are fair. But one thing that
Speaker 5: I'm hoping that this book does is give us a
Speaker 5: new frame for what can happen, even miraculously so in
Speaker 5: such a short timeline. Again, they were talking about a
Speaker 5: campaign that was run over a billion dollars worth of
Speaker 5: a spend in one hundred and seven days. So what
Speaker 5: happens if all of the people come together and think
Speaker 5: the best and the brightest, and all of our ideas
Speaker 5: and all of our innovation. We know what he's torn
Speaker 5: up in more than one hundred and seven days, But
Speaker 5: what happens if we come together to see real systemic change,
Speaker 5: if we put our best thinking together in one hundred
Speaker 5: and seven days? And I think that is the offering
Speaker 5: that she also gives. It's not just a reflection, it's
Speaker 5: an opportunity to lean into what happens if we really
Speaker 5: come together in ways that I think are, frankly, i'm
Speaker 5: precedented in this country for all the reasons we know,
Speaker 5: including the fact that America is in fact a racist country.
Speaker 5: But I hope that people will ask her why did
Speaker 5: it take this long? I hope that people will not
Speaker 5: center Joe Biden or anybody else's whiteness so much that
Speaker 5: they can't understand that, yes, this man has been diagnosed
Speaker 5: with cancer, Yes he is undergoing treatment, and yes it
Speaker 5: is still her story to tell. And no, she does
Speaker 5: not have a whole lot of bandwidth or room to
Speaker 5: decide when the publisher decides to move forward the book.
Speaker 5: You know, there are all these things. So I think
Speaker 5: that you know, the fact that she wrote it, it
Speaker 5: took her longer to write the book than it took
Speaker 5: her to run a campaign one and two, it's still
Speaker 5: a pretty I mean, if you know, it's a pretty
Speaker 5: escalated timeline for the release of a book.
Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, Andrew, but I want you to talk.
Speaker 1: I have a question after.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Okay, just real quick, but first of all, listen,
Speaker 4: her vice presidency like just ended. I know it has
Speaker 4: felt like we've been through the three World War World
Speaker 4: wars and all this kind of stuff as because the
Speaker 4: speed and and just dizzying pace of of the of
Speaker 4: the ruining of what we know is the American fabric
Speaker 4: that this administration of the Trumps has undertaken. But in truth,
Speaker 4: this is probably about the right time that you can
Speaker 4: step back from a situation as un precedented and unparalleled
Speaker 4: as what she has experienced, because not only was it
Speaker 4: the one hundred and seven days, but it was also
Speaker 4: doing that one hundred and seven days as a black
Speaker 4: woman and as a woman, And those are layers that
Speaker 4: also in the first rendering of these excerpts that sort
Speaker 4: of really really pierced me was how much concentration and
Speaker 4: emphasis was put on how she had to present next
Speaker 4: to Biden, how she needed to appear, how she had
Speaker 4: to demure, how she needed not to be impressive in
Speaker 4: her speaking style, how she, you know, didn't need to
Speaker 4: be the political winner on public on public policy issues
Speaker 4: pursued by the administration for fear that it might dim
Speaker 4: the light of the sitting president. When you're the sitting president,
Speaker 4: ain't nobody gonna dim you light. You must you may
Speaker 4: give it away, but you still are the president of
Speaker 4: the United States. But but we knew this with our
Speaker 4: going in, and there were lots of people in Biden
Speaker 4: world who were very much so uh suspicious of her
Speaker 4: after that debate where she bought in bussing and we're
Speaker 4: unforgiving of her from that moment I was at that debate,
Speaker 4: I remember gasping like, oh God, this is yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: so this and it was a lasting thing. I think
Speaker 4: it still lasts for a number of people and for
Speaker 4: those listeners who you know, may not have a complete
Speaker 4: relationship what I'm speaking of. This is a book that
Speaker 4: I think every woman in politics, every woman period who
Speaker 4: is trafficking and trying to be taken for your full worth,
Speaker 4: to be seen as a whole person and not a
Speaker 4: division of all the various parts of yourself. Of women
Speaker 4: with ambition. And also it's important for men who work
Speaker 4: with women who were equal to the task, if not
Speaker 4: greater to to to to understand that we're not the
Speaker 4: center of the universe and everything doesn't revolve around us.
Speaker 4: We're not the sun. By we water and flower and
Speaker 4: bring life and enlightenment to everything else around us. We
Speaker 4: all cooperate, right, We're like a body and they're no
Speaker 4: there are no extraneous parts. There's just the whole body,
Speaker 4: and you got to treat it well. And I think
Speaker 4: that's how politics, and particularly politicians the Democratic Party really
Speaker 4: deserve an evolution here around this. We think of ourselves
Speaker 4: as forward thinking around women and centering the needs of women,
Speaker 4: but then in real practice, it's like if the man
Speaker 4: ain't in the middle, you know, and that your actions
Speaker 4: are then basically designed in contrast to mine, then you're
Speaker 4: a lost cause you're too ambitious. I'm suspicious of you
Speaker 4: because you won't be loyal because I don't know you
Speaker 4: have designs on your life too. Your designs need to
Speaker 4: be focused and based on my designs, and that's how
Speaker 4: you design what you want to do. And I think
Speaker 4: that that that belief that patriarchy is is alive and
Speaker 4: well in both parties, but an American political culture period,
Speaker 4: I think we all.
Speaker 1: Will have to disaggregate women, right, you know, because I
Speaker 1: don't know that black women necessarily feel aligned or allieship
Speaker 1: with white women in politics. And I don't even mean
Speaker 1: just like Trump supporters, I mean just in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: I don't know that there is a lot of commonality
Speaker 1: in our interests at times, you know, there are definitely
Speaker 1: members of Congress who are white women who I think
Speaker 1: espouse beliefs and things that I do not connect with,
Speaker 1: some things that run contrary to my own humanity. So
Speaker 1: that's why I said, I think she speaks right to
Speaker 1: the heart of black women here.
Speaker 4: But I take your point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely take your point.
Speaker 4: I just think in the concentric circles that there's a
Speaker 4: circle there that I think all women will see familiarity. Yes,
Speaker 4: but I think you're completely right that her experience is
Speaker 4: coming from that of a black woman in politics, right.
Speaker 1: But I hope that white women can learn because I
Speaker 1: think some of the people that she was talking about
Speaker 1: who were saboteurs on a lot of her initiatives were
Speaker 1: white women in the Biden administration. But I want to
Speaker 1: get back to something right precisely. But I want to
Speaker 1: get back to something Angela said because this is a
Speaker 1: legitimate question, and I think people say, well, why didn't
Speaker 1: you say that then? And Angela you know better than anyone,
Speaker 1: and Andrew certainly you do too. This is why I
Speaker 1: want your thoughts on this. Andrew, you were on a
Speaker 1: short leaked list of potential VP running mates for Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 1: Angela you've navigated politics from Capitol Hill, and you also,
Speaker 1: in your position on Capitol Hill, worked with the Obama
Speaker 1: administration on a lot of things, so we kind of
Speaker 1: know the social norms and morays of politics, and it
Speaker 1: really is that the vice president is not the person
Speaker 1: out front. The vice president does typically genuflect to the
Speaker 1: position of President. Joe Biden himself, uh, you know, had
Speaker 1: a few faux pause on that he was out front
Speaker 1: on gay marriage before Obama really said anything, and he
Speaker 1: was also making a lot of social gaffs during the
Speaker 1: Obama administration. I just think in this era of Trump,
Speaker 1: because as people are asking that question, I hope they
Speaker 1: can understand that that has been the tradition in Washington.
Speaker 1: You know that you are You're not the star. You're
Speaker 1: there to support the president. Some people argue the role
Speaker 1: of VP is very superfluous, but I wonder in the
Speaker 1: era of Trump, if that has all gone out the window,
Speaker 1: like it has to, all of our norms have to
Speaker 1: go out the window. And I think this is probably
Speaker 1: the first political post mortem book that does that from
Speaker 1: a VP role, and I wonder how this will inform
Speaker 1: because she has been the first to step out there
Speaker 1: and say, you know, f that, let me tell you
Speaker 1: what was really going down. I wonder how this will
Speaker 1: inform future VP roles, particularly under democratic administrations, if we
Speaker 1: are ever to see one again, which we'll also get
Speaker 1: to later in the show, and again is a hot topic.
Speaker 1: So I hope y'all are sharing this because I want
Speaker 1: to hear from y'all in the comments. What y'all think
Speaker 1: if you're going to buy the book. If you bought
Speaker 1: the book, what you think about it? Is you read
Speaker 1: the read the excerpt and all that, but just cure
Speaker 1: your thoughts about that for the VP role Andrew or Adela,
Speaker 1: whomever want to take it.
Speaker 5: So I think there's a few things here. There's, you know,
Speaker 5: this convergence even of experience that we that we're going
Speaker 5: through right now. Tip to your point around living and
Speaker 5: fascism and the obligation that we have to speak up
Speaker 5: so that history is not only kind to us, but
Speaker 5: that we did with the best we could for future generations.
Speaker 5: And I wonder if some of her calculus wasn't you know,
Speaker 5: I have an obligation and I agree with Andrew here
Speaker 5: for all women, because I'm the first woman period to
Speaker 5: serve in this role. Do I have an obligation to
Speaker 5: tell you the hurdles I had to climb, the hills
Speaker 5: I had to you know, uh scale to really make
Speaker 5: this more and more equitable space for you. So I
Speaker 5: wonder if she was like, you know, I know what
Speaker 5: the norm is, but do I defy the norm? Because
Speaker 5: if I don't, is there going to be another? That's
Speaker 5: the first consideration. I think the second consideration is, you know,
Speaker 5: given where we are right now and here history, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: like there's kind of a collective obligation that hopefully we
Speaker 5: all feel to tell the truth and shame the devil,
Speaker 5: because if you don't really start telling the truth about
Speaker 5: the many like errors, challenges, mistakes that this party, the
Speaker 5: Democratic Party, has historically not learned from, they are bound
Speaker 5: to continue to make the same mistakes and bound to
Speaker 5: continue to lose. I kind of resent some of the
Speaker 5: commentary I've seen y'all, and I know I might be
Speaker 5: the one I'm like TIF today in the comments, but
Speaker 5: not from Native Lampard. I'm on the book. But I
Speaker 5: wonder if, like if some of what I'm feeling is like, oh,
Speaker 5: there's this whiny they're talking about. She sounds whiny in
Speaker 5: the book, which also sounds like a gender you know thing.
Speaker 5: It's like you can't have you can't logic complaint, you know,
Speaker 5: when you feel like you stepped out of the Senate
Speaker 5: where you were like America's darling and Senate hearing rooms,
Speaker 5: and then now you're going back into a space where
Speaker 5: you just have to kind of carry the briefcase. And
Speaker 5: I don't even think some of that is the norm.
Speaker 5: There are other vice presidents that were more robust and
Speaker 5: more visible. Mike Pence was not one of them. I
Speaker 5: think a lot of people don't even remember he was a.
Speaker 4: VP, but that changed at all different.
Speaker 5: Sorry, there's tables moving in here, so I don't know
Speaker 5: if you can hear both.
Speaker 4: Okay, we can.
Speaker 3: Hear you, and maybe you should tell us. Can you
Speaker 3: tell us where you are if you don't mind.
Speaker 5: I am in Montgomery, Alabama in a conference room. You
Speaker 5: know we heard folks were so sorry, let me go
Speaker 5: on mute. So it's not.
Speaker 4: Yes, the vice presidential as a role does does tend
Speaker 4: to gen reflect to the to the to the principal,
Speaker 4: the president. You try not to get in front of
Speaker 4: your president, and that makes good sense. But once a
Speaker 4: vice president is provided a portfolio by which the administration
Speaker 4: expects her to take the lead. You do expect then
Speaker 4: that the platform, the the opportunity is then created to
Speaker 4: help the vice president excel on that portfolio. We all
Speaker 4: saw out the gate. They gave her immigration, and of
Speaker 4: course many of us crushed our heads saying, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: you gave her an issue that even George Bush, when
Speaker 4: you know, going back since Reagan, right since Reagan's embrace
Speaker 4: of immigration, the Republican Party turned wholesale against it and
Speaker 4: further administrations with the exception of a Bush who came
Speaker 4: behind him, George Bush Junior whatever is what is it,
Speaker 4: the third or the second son, baby Bush, George W. W. Bush,
Speaker 4: who came in, frankly saying, we need a pathway to citizenship.
Speaker 4: He tried to get that through Republican Congress, couldn't make
Speaker 4: it happen. Obama, same deal. We wanted to try to
Speaker 4: provide a pathway. So you gave her a portfolio that
Speaker 4: even presidents with parties in their control in the House
Speaker 4: and the Senate can't make happen. And you've now set
Speaker 4: that in the lap of the vice president of the
Speaker 4: United States, which I just saw as a setup from
Speaker 4: the very beginning, and on the whiny thing, y'all, History
Speaker 4: isn't whining, Okay, History is just history. History is what
Speaker 4: has happened. And so I absolutely believe that that's a
Speaker 4: gender related insulting assault. And I think we're gonna hear
Speaker 4: a lot of that, and and frankly it's because of
Speaker 4: our conditioning. And I actually think some of the worst
Speaker 4: critique of her will probably come from other women, to
Speaker 4: be honest about it.
Speaker 6: Who will who will?
Speaker 4: Who will want to set themselves apart as basically saying
Speaker 4: if this had been my experience, I would have kept
Speaker 4: it under the rug into myself. Some in our community
Speaker 4: will say, is she being disloyal? And again, I thought
Speaker 4: she was an incredibly loyal vice president, and I think
Speaker 4: even in her writing here she's incredibly loyal. When she
Speaker 4: does takes wipes at the adminised that she was a
Speaker 4: part of, she takes swipes at the handlers surrounding the
Speaker 4: president who caged on a number of issues and tried
Speaker 4: to block his passes to her in many instances. And
Speaker 4: so I just, I just, I just think people should one,
Speaker 4: if you are a supporter of these folks, get out
Speaker 4: and buy the book. Don't make it a question. Just
Speaker 4: just do it, like Nike says. And then the other
Speaker 4: thing is is look at it with a how do
Speaker 4: you say, a graceful eye, Read it with a graceful eye.
Speaker 4: All those got judgments and and backseat you know, driving
Speaker 4: and and and quarterbacking. But you don't know. None of
Speaker 4: us know because we've never been there, all right, And
Speaker 4: if you have, maybe you can say a little something.
Speaker 4: But if you haven't, take it for what it is
Speaker 4: somebody else's attributed story of what happened, how they experienced it,
Speaker 4: and then what they want us to know coming out
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 5: I got competitors in the political podcast space to who
Speaker 5: I'm eager to.
Speaker 3: See, Oh, I know you're talking about, don't get you know?
Speaker 3: Who are eager to.
Speaker 5: See how they respond to this because they, especially around
Speaker 5: the primary time, where there was, you know, a conversation
Speaker 5: about a contested convention and whether or not Kama Hair
Speaker 5: should be the nominee.
Speaker 3: They had some things to say about Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: So now that it's the black woman that came forward,
Speaker 5: I'm eager to see how they respond.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I'm just gonna say, pod Save America. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see because I do feel like they speak
Speaker 1: to a different demographic than we do.
Speaker 3: But you know, okay, and maybe others.
Speaker 1: But I know that particular podcast I feel sometimes does
Speaker 1: not necessarily include our audience and our listeners. I think
Speaker 1: they have a more bleached audience, I'll say.
Speaker 4: But I imagine the testament will be interesting. I think
Speaker 4: it will be reflective of what they are capable of doing.
Speaker 4: I agree, based off their walk in life, exactly as
Speaker 4: we are based off our walk.
Speaker 3: Exactly in life.
Speaker 1: But I imagine that we'll be talking about this for this
Speaker 1: probably won't be the last time we'll talk about this
Speaker 1: because her actual book, uh, you know, we'll have to
Speaker 1: read the whole book. Right now, we're just reading the
Speaker 1: excerpt that you can find in The Atlantic, So I
Speaker 1: hope other people it is behind the pay will also
Speaker 1: try to get a subscription if you can, or get
Speaker 1: somebody to cut and pace and send it to you.
Speaker 1: If you don't have a subscription, but looking forward.
Speaker 4: To say coins and buy it. On the twenty third, they.
Speaker 5: Got some DVDs they slinging in the barbershop. Okay, I
Speaker 5: just mean for the excerpt.
Speaker 1: But please do buy the book when it comes out,
Speaker 1: but definitely would love to hear your thoughts in the
Speaker 1: comments on the excerpts, because y'all know I stay in
Speaker 1: the comments, but yeah, we should.
Speaker 3: I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to get into something else. Donald Trump really
Speaker 1: thinks that he's going to run for a third term. No,
Speaker 1: it's not constitutional, and yes, this man is crazy enough
Speaker 1: to think it can happen in these crazy times. Who
Speaker 1: knows we're going to get into that. On the other
Speaker 1: side of this break, people are asking me to run
Speaker 1: and there's a whole story about running for a third term.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I never looked into it, and they do say there's
Speaker 1: a way you can do it, but I don't know
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 6: But I want to do a fantastic job.
Speaker 7: In an exclusive phone interview, NBC's Christen Welker asked the
Speaker 7: President about a possible scenario where Vice President Vance is
Speaker 7: elected with President Trump as his running mate, and then
Speaker 7: Vance steps aside, the President saying that's one method, but
Speaker 7: there are others too, saying he would not talk about them.
Speaker 1: So that was Donald Trump toying with the idea of
Speaker 1: a third term. And I wanted to talk about this
Speaker 1: topic because I don't think people are taking this seriously
Speaker 1: enough while we're focused on Epstein and kind of just
Speaker 1: like yellow salacious topics. This is a really frightening story
Speaker 1: to me. But the breaking news banner that you see
Speaker 1: above the vote and newspaper sections is all about something
Speaker 1: else and not taking this seriously. It came up again
Speaker 1: this week because Supreme Court justices rarely give interviews, They
Speaker 1: rarely are out front talking, but two Supreme Court justices
Speaker 1: spoke about this. First, I want you all to take
Speaker 1: a listen to Justice Amy Cony Berry in an interview
Speaker 1: with Fox News.
Speaker 3: Is Brett bear.
Speaker 6: Right and the twenty second Amendment says you can only
Speaker 6: run for office for two terms?
Speaker 8: True?
Speaker 6: You think that that's cut and dry.
Speaker 8: Well, that's you know, that's what the amendment says, right,
Speaker 8: you know after FDR had four terms that that's what
Speaker 8: that amendment says.
Speaker 1: Now, take a listen to Justice Sonya Solda Mayor on
Speaker 1: the View this week, being posed that same question by
Speaker 1: former Trump administration official Alissa Griffin.
Speaker 6: Do you believe the twenty second Amendment is settled law?
Speaker 6: The Constitution is settled law.
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, one has tried to challenge that. Until somebody tries,
Speaker 8: you don't know. So it's not settled because we don't
Speaker 8: have a court case about that issue.
Speaker 6: But it is in the constitution.
Speaker 8: And one should understand that there's nothing that is the greater.
Speaker 6: Law in the United States than the Constitution.
Speaker 4: Of the United States.
Speaker 1: I'm frightened about this. I do not think people are
Speaker 1: taking this seriously enough. And this is why I keep saying,
Speaker 1: you know, if we have midterm elections, and when we
Speaker 1: talked earlier about in the last segment about secession, and
Speaker 1: if we have another democratic administration in the White House,
Speaker 1: I just I am baffled at this white media landscape.
Speaker 1: That's like, oh that that crazy Trump. Yeah, Trump being Trump.
Speaker 3: What are you all like? Is this something that keeps
Speaker 3: you all up at night?
Speaker 5: I wonder, So I won't say this is what keeps
Speaker 5: me up at night. I'm really concerned about like DC
Speaker 5: occupation and concerned about the people who are being disappeared. Literally,
Speaker 5: as I'm talking to y'all, there are three troops outside
Speaker 5: the window. And I got a text from a good
Speaker 5: friend of mine that Memphis is making an announcement tomorrow
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, an announcement this week that the National Guard
Speaker 5: is going there too. So there are some things that
Speaker 5: it sounds nuts to say, Tiff, I actually feel bad
Speaker 5: about this coming out of my mouth. But there are
Speaker 5: some things that feel more pressing. Right now. I'm given
Speaker 5: that we're being forced to drink out of a fire
Speaker 5: hose in real time and consistently. There's some drama, there's
Speaker 5: some terrorism, there's something that we're having to answer to
Speaker 5: every single day. I do think, to be fair, this
Speaker 5: doesn't seem like something that white media is avoiding. The
Speaker 5: two clips that we just played is white media talking
Speaker 5: about this. What is scary to me, though, is it
Speaker 5: just seems like a passing conversation about like.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 5: And even more so I would expect I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's not a Supreme Court opinion, but I don't want
Speaker 5: Sonya sot A majority to sound as passive about it
Speaker 5: as Amy Cony Barrett. I would have loved to hear
Speaker 5: her say, you know, well, you know, before this administration,
Speaker 5: the constitution was settled law, and before this administration or
Speaker 5: before this attempt at this administration, we would have never
Speaker 5: considered criminal immunity in the Supreme Court for a sitting president.
Speaker 5: Before this administration, we went don just like she did
Speaker 5: with the ice raids opinion. So I'm actually more I
Speaker 5: know you were mad at the media law, but I'm
Speaker 5: actually more frustrated with the ways in which these justices
Speaker 5: who have these lifetime appointments, at least for now, it's
Speaker 5: supposed to be settled law, right, you know, I want
Speaker 5: you to give that the same energy that you would
Speaker 5: protect that job friend, you know, And I just I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't even hear that. I was more alarmed by
Speaker 5: her response. Listen, like, wait, what you know.
Speaker 3: Something? And it might have been, but.
Speaker 4: Technically is it's been litigated before the court and it's
Speaker 4: been settled. There's an opinion that says this is what
Speaker 4: the Constitution says, and the Court has now affirmed it
Speaker 4: through case such and such and such, because no one
Speaker 4: has ever dared tried the most settled of all settled
Speaker 4: law in the land, which is, you know more, I
Speaker 4: shouldn't say the most settled, the most bedrock of all
Speaker 4: the law in the land, the constitution of which other
Speaker 4: laws emanate. It's where other laws, uh get their power,
Speaker 4: is through its constitutionality. So she's right on that point,
Speaker 4: But she's also right in saying nobody has dared tried
Speaker 4: this before. And I also think she's probably being careful,
Speaker 4: especially given the conservative media landscape out here, the conservative
Speaker 4: landscape period in this country, not to exempt herself out
Speaker 4: of this case. Should Trump have his way and set
Speaker 4: up an instance where this question makes this way before
Speaker 4: the court, at which point you can't have a justice
Speaker 4: out there opining their opinion or they might be asked
Speaker 4: to not make, you know, not be able to sit
Speaker 4: for a case because they've already opined their opinion opinions
Speaker 4: about has.
Speaker 5: A different set of obligations in there.
Speaker 4: It may and I'm just I'm simply saying, given the
Speaker 4: conservative landscape that we are living in, they would be
Speaker 4: so happy to take a clip from Justice on your
Speaker 4: soda mayor expousing or extended comments about the fact that
Speaker 4: absolutely the Constitution says what it says and there's no reproach. Well,
Speaker 4: the truth is is that the Constitution has had reproach.
Speaker 4: I mean, people bring suits on the basis that a
Speaker 4: thing is unconstitutional and pushing the limits of the boundaries
Speaker 4: of what the Constitution actually says. But if you are
Speaker 4: a conservative jurists, which Amy Colly Barrett, appointed by Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: says that she is it means you take the text
Speaker 4: literally and I don't know how many literal derivations derivatives
Speaker 4: you can get from a person can only run twice
Speaker 4: for the presidency, right, and they go for letther say
Speaker 4: they don't have to be consecutive, but rather that you
Speaker 4: just simply cannot run twice. But to mention my own
Speaker 4: become amy comby Barratt of four terms served by Roosevelt.
Speaker 4: She knows that that was prior to the prior to
Speaker 4: that constitutional amendment. In fact, that constitutional amendment emanated from
Speaker 4: the fact that we did not want a president being
Speaker 4: able to serve four terms. Prior to that, the Constitution
Speaker 4: was silent on it, and we relied on the example
Speaker 4: of George Washington and his willingness to step away from
Speaker 4: that most powerful office at that time after two terms.
Speaker 4: That was all we had. Well, now we got law
Speaker 4: that says this is what it is.
Speaker 1: But I think also the idea that we have to
Speaker 1: confront that the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
Speaker 1: I mean, Donald Trump has like declare that, like, these
Speaker 1: are just rules and laws that y'all made up, don't
Speaker 1: I don't like guide right exactly, Like this is a framework.
Speaker 1: But if I don't like something, then I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it. And I think what's at the root
Speaker 1: cause of our concern, our collective concern, because Angela, you're
Speaker 1: talking about, well, that's not what's keeping me up at night,
Speaker 1: because there's this urgent thing you mentioned drinking from the
Speaker 1: fire holes.
Speaker 3: But it's really all the same thing.
Speaker 1: It is is Donald Trump just skirting our democratic norms
Speaker 1: and pushing the limits of power and testing these systems
Speaker 1: until they're broken, and flooding us with chaos until chaos
Speaker 1: seems normal. You also mentioned I have to say, I've
Speaker 1: not seen the reporting on Memphis, and I know the
Speaker 1: Republican governor there, Bill Lee, has said in recent weeks
Speaker 1: that he is not interested in deploying the National Guard,
Speaker 1: so that hasn't been reported yet. But that does not
Speaker 1: mean that it's not on the precipice of happening right now.
Speaker 5: And it leads us to a question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially, see it leads us to a viewer who
Speaker 1: had that same compar.
Speaker 5: I'm missuring you that it's it's from an elected official.
Speaker 9: Have you guys noticed how Detroit, Michigan has been omitted
Speaker 9: from the list of places at the National Guard.
Speaker 3: It's being sent to you by the President.
Speaker 9: He's named Baltimore DC LA Elisha Kato as many negative
Speaker 9: connotations as Detroit has had over the years, as much
Speaker 9: crime written as he's been saying to our CNE. But
Speaker 9: for us to be omitted from the list noticeably multiple
Speaker 9: times every time, then now so, and I'm waiting for
Speaker 9: our name to be at it.
Speaker 6: It's not.
Speaker 9: And there's no scarier time for a person in an
Speaker 9: abusive relationship than when their abuser goes silent or pauses
Speaker 9: the cycle. Why could you know you're not out of
Speaker 9: the abusive relationship? So either you are a in the
Speaker 9: discard phase where you don't even care whether I've live
Speaker 9: or die, or more than likely the latter, which is
Speaker 9: b you plan something extra sinister for that person, your victim,
Speaker 9: Because I'm like, what you gotta plan for us for
Speaker 9: twenty twenty six. So if y'all have heard anything any
Speaker 9: rum planers about what's playing for Michigan in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 9: because we got a manor or election happening. When we
Speaker 9: got a thirty seven year old black woman who is
Speaker 9: leading leading in the post. We also got Garland kill
Speaker 9: Chris the lieutenant governor who's black man running for governor
Speaker 9: of state of Michigan against independent Mike Duggan.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna keep myself.
Speaker 9: On that to the side. But have y'all heard anything
Speaker 9: about what he has planned for Michigan, because honey, I
Speaker 9: need to know.
Speaker 5: I love that quiet rightly whisper like somebody right there.
Speaker 1: But this is the point that how quickly you can
Speaker 1: move And if I wasn't disputing what you were saying,
Speaker 1: I was responsibly saying that there had been no reporting
Speaker 1: about it. But certainly things can happen so quickly that
Speaker 1: there sometimes there isn't a warning.
Speaker 3: And to her point about Detroit, it's.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we could wake up to we don't know,
Speaker 1: we could wake up tomorrow and there it won't just
Speaker 1: be Memphis, or it could be Memphis Detroit, like who knows.
Speaker 1: So it's very frightening, and I think that is rooted
Speaker 1: in this discussion, how quickly these things can happen, and like,
Speaker 1: how do you address these challenges? When I first, because
Speaker 1: we've read the transcript of her question, I'm like, and
Speaker 1: she wanted them to come to destroy but hearing her
Speaker 1: the concern and her voice, and thank you, by the
Speaker 1: way for taking the time to record that video and
Speaker 1: share it with us. I don't even know how we
Speaker 1: combat that.
Speaker 4: I really don't know, actually helpful, I mean, actually really
Speaker 4: really app analogy. I will tell you anytime Trump gets
Speaker 4: gets in hot water. I started getting more and more concerned. Right, So,
Speaker 4: the Epstein industris earlier in the week, and then the
Speaker 4: next thing, we know, you know, in Chicago, they didn't
Speaker 4: you know, they've unleashed already. Homeland security folks were operating
Speaker 4: in the city the next morning after the breaking of
Speaker 4: the whole Epstein thing takes place, and then immediately and
Speaker 4: I ken't remember that what the timing was. You all
Speaker 4: make correct me? Uh, this is one of the topics
Speaker 4: I wanted to bring up a little bit later, was
Speaker 4: the whole dropping bombs on a speed boat in international waters.
Speaker 4: So I just think we're all anything is on the block, period.
Speaker 4: But absolutely, when Trump is overwhelmed by criticism, just hold on, just.
Speaker 7: Holding on this.
Speaker 1: But I do think this does happen in Tennessee. This
Speaker 1: would be the first time that he's doing this. Correct me,
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, I could be exactly accurate and a
Speaker 1: Republican led states. But to me, once that happens. It
Speaker 1: opens the door for a lot of other things.
Speaker 5: But this is the thing that I jump It is
Speaker 5: important for us to contextualize. He is sending the National
Speaker 5: Guard into Memphis, of course, and there that is a
Speaker 5: black mayor. The challenge we have is the very thing
Speaker 5: that we flagged on this show about the way that
Speaker 5: Marrio Bowser was almost welcoming to Donald Trump. Because Memphis
Speaker 5: is mayor is cut from a similar cloth as Mariel Bowser.
Speaker 5: So he is cooperating in advance with this based on
Speaker 5: what I'm being told from an elected official source. So
Speaker 5: it is a little different because we know that the
Speaker 5: state also has some responsibility for the National Guard. We
Speaker 5: know that they're fine with it, and then you have
Speaker 5: someone who's a willing participant at the mayoral level in Memphis.
Speaker 5: The other thing that I was going to flag for
Speaker 5: the question Lakisha, again thank you for sending it in,
Speaker 5: is there is an election in Detroit, but it ain't
Speaker 5: happen yet. So Mary Sheffield ain't the Mary yet. Who
Speaker 5: is the mayor? Is Mike Duggan, who is running against
Speaker 5: Garland for the gubernature in the gubernatorial race. Why does
Speaker 5: that matter? This man is a partner with several MAGA
Speaker 5: folks on several investments, including completely whitewashing Detroit, and so
Speaker 5: I still think it is different. There is a wink
Speaker 5: and nod relationship going on here, and you will see
Speaker 5: that some of the pressure is ramped down with folks
Speaker 5: who Donald Trump has a good relationship with. He is
Speaker 5: an ego maniacal human being. That is how this works.
Speaker 5: So I think that is important we can there is
Speaker 5: a there is a system. But I think that no
Speaker 5: matter what, he wants to make a black mayor look bad,
Speaker 5: and I think no matter what, where he has a
Speaker 5: good relationship where someone's will willfully stroking his ego, he
Speaker 5: needs showing up the same way.
Speaker 4: But it will it will be an interesting challenge to
Speaker 4: see how a Republican governor, because mayors don't have say
Speaker 4: over the National Guard or its deployment. The confrontation is
Speaker 4: with the governors. Because you deploy national Guard in my state,
Speaker 4: it is an affront to me. You say, you're coming
Speaker 4: into my state and we can't handle the issues of
Speaker 4: crime or that that city within my state can't and
Speaker 4: so you're going to basically borrow the power of the governor.
Speaker 4: Because the governor is the one who generally generally is
Speaker 4: responsible for calling up the National Guard. The last time
Speaker 4: prior to Trump, deployed National Guard soldiers was to get
Speaker 4: you know, was to integrate Southern UH public schools. So
Speaker 4: so it's not a practice that that presidents generally utilized,
Speaker 4: which I know we all know, but I do. I
Speaker 4: am interested. I actually am very I wish it wouldn't happen,
Speaker 4: but if it is going to happen, I'd be curious
Speaker 4: to know how a governor, a Republican governor is going
Speaker 4: to stand when his state is in the crosshairs. Is
Speaker 4: he going to stand with the people of his state
Speaker 4: and say, you're not going to degrade us this way?
Speaker 4: Or does he say, hey, we've got the welcome that
Speaker 4: rolled out, come on in.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 1: But well, the framing of the discussion when when this
Speaker 1: initially started happening is well, why not do this in
Speaker 1: Republican led states? And I had such an issue with
Speaker 1: that because it's like, no, we're not trying to normalize this.
Speaker 1: And again I understand, I just want to be clear.
Speaker 1: This is something somebody said this to Angela. An elected
Speaker 1: official said this to Angela, that this is happening. We're
Speaker 1: not saying it's happening. Angela's saying, this is what I'm
Speaker 1: being told that it's happening. But again, in Trump's America,
Speaker 1: we have no I like, literally, you wake up and
Speaker 1: it's like, at any moment, it could be a breaking
Speaker 1: news banner that he's deployed.
Speaker 3: But this will.
Speaker 1: I do think this will be a game changer if
Speaker 1: he starts deploying these folks in Republican led states, because
Speaker 1: then that puts a whole lot of other cities like Jackson,
Speaker 1: Atlanta and when you usually you should count. He said,
Speaker 1: he already said he was sending it into New Orleans.
Speaker 5: That's why I'm like, this is as yet what you're saying.
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you he does not care. He does
Speaker 5: not have There's no safety net or or or or
Speaker 5: a hedge of protection for a black mayor in whether
Speaker 5: the state is red, blue, purple green, whatever. If they
Speaker 5: are a black mayor who is not willing to bend
Speaker 5: the knee, they are in harms.
Speaker 6: Way.
Speaker 3: I disagree you black people, period.
Speaker 4: And guess what this may be. How people started learning
Speaker 4: about where these things are popping up is on the hotline,
Speaker 4: and it's back to your point earlier point, Angel Love,
Speaker 4: like we have to get into we need to know
Speaker 4: our neighbor, We need to know our people, because it
Speaker 4: may get to the point where it's like, hey, y'all,
Speaker 4: is a red alert.
Speaker 1: Speaking of red alert, Andrew, I know that you wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about what's happening in Doha, which is also
Speaker 1: crazy and major.
Speaker 4: Well, of course, the third term is deadly dangerous for
Speaker 4: us in the US. But there's some of the things
Speaker 4: deadly dangerous, and that's this widening distabling on the global stage.
Speaker 4: You we'll talk about that on the other side of
Speaker 4: this break. I know a lot of folks are We
Speaker 4: get it from our listeners, and we get it from
Speaker 4: manage a little bit too. You know, the international issues
Speaker 4: can be a bit distraction. But I want before we
Speaker 4: go to Doha, I just want to say no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I mean, you say, focus on international because we got
Speaker 4: so much going on domestically, and I think that's probably
Speaker 4: a view shared by our listeners as well. We we
Speaker 4: got to protect ourselves, and this is in the vein
Speaker 4: of protecting ourselves, because we got to see ourselves at
Speaker 4: the intersection of these of many of these issues where
Speaker 4: we do come into focus. Yes, we we heard about
Speaker 4: the strikes and and Doha. I know I've I've been, Angela.
Speaker 4: I know you've traveled to Doha, uh Tiff, You've been everywhere.
Speaker 1: I've never been to Doha. I've never been to Guitar.
Speaker 4: Well it is, I have to tell you. Aside from
Speaker 4: the stifling, uh dry heat, it was a beautiful, you know,
Speaker 4: a beautiful visit. I of course had my exceptions with
Speaker 4: the politics of the conservative bend and and and the
Speaker 4: politics and the place. But nonetheless, it is a sovereign country,
Speaker 4: which in sovereign means to them, you know, they have
Speaker 4: the right of borders. They have international rights of being
Speaker 4: seen as a separate, as a autonomous state, separate and
Speaker 4: apart from any other, which means they have the rights
Speaker 4: of self determination. You can't just fly over their airspace.
Speaker 4: You just can't drop bombs on them without declarations of
Speaker 4: warsaw and so forth. But before really digging in it,
Speaker 4: I just want to say, Trump and none of us
Speaker 4: should miss this really really stretched the presidency and our
Speaker 4: understanding of international law. Earlier this week, this past weekend,
Speaker 4: when he decided that he was going to send the
Speaker 4: United States military to intercept a speed boat, and I
Speaker 4: think the speedboat had like eleven people on it, but
Speaker 4: nonetheless it was a personal vessel, right, not a military
Speaker 4: vessel a threat of any sort that we know of.
Speaker 4: And he basically extended what would have normally been a
Speaker 4: protocol that would have been undertaken should there have been
Speaker 4: a weaponized military imminent threat on the United States, which
Speaker 4: then we would be compelled to respond. But he decided
Speaker 4: that he believed that drugs were being trafficked over international
Speaker 4: waters with their destination being the United States of America,
Speaker 4: even though the boat was in the Caribbean, and decided
Speaker 4: to use the United States.
Speaker 10: Navy to take out this boat with citizens pedestrian citizens,
Speaker 10: not US citizens, but ped Venezuelan citizens on the boat.
Speaker 4: Now, typically the way this would have been handled is
Speaker 4: the coast Guard would have likely intercepted any vessel that
Speaker 4: they thought were trafficking drugs. They would haveborted it. They
Speaker 4: would have searched it and determined whether or not, and
Speaker 4: if it was determined that there were drugs on it,
Speaker 4: they would have been arrested and bought before courts and
Speaker 4: given due process of the law. Facts would have had
Speaker 4: to be established in this case, y'all, this man decided, Yeah,
Speaker 4: there are drugs on the boat. These are bad people.
Speaker 4: I'm a drop some bombs. We're going to take them out.
Speaker 4: They're now sitting in the bottom of the Caribbean Ocean
Speaker 4: and it's handled. We don't know where that boat was going,
Speaker 4: we don't know whether it had drugs on it, we
Speaker 4: don't know who the people were that were on it,
Speaker 4: and no proof has been extended. So what happens to
Speaker 4: American citizens who maybe vacationing in the Caribbean, who might
Speaker 4: be on a boat and might be people who were
Speaker 4: critical of the president, and the president decides that he
Speaker 4: wants to send the US military based off of his
Speaker 4: precept of what he believes is happening, and take you out.
Speaker 4: I just want us to think about what an explosion,
Speaker 4: an extension, an incredible extension of law that is, and
Speaker 4: the fact that this was so close. I guess I
Speaker 4: take it more personally because I'm a Floridian and I
Speaker 4: got family Andbeminy and Bahamas. You know, we travel on
Speaker 4: the like is going to Miami right from where I live.
Speaker 4: That's how commonplace it is. And in those international waters
Speaker 4: that a president of the United States can decide to
Speaker 4: take us out off of an assumption not proven and
Speaker 4: no due process accorded, law involved whatsoever. That's what took
Speaker 4: place here. And so the license that he creates here,
Speaker 4: we're not seeing that same license being extended across the world. Now. Yah,
Speaker 4: who doesn't inform the United States, who is their protector,
Speaker 4: who basically pays for the military and is the security
Speaker 4: guarantee for Israel, doesn't inform the United States and decides
Speaker 4: to enter with with drones or actually these are their
Speaker 4: their aircraft go into a sovereign nation and drop bombs
Speaker 4: in a residential area. And just so you know about
Speaker 4: this residential area, this is a part of Doha where
Speaker 4: many expats and foreign diplomats live and they drop We
Speaker 4: already know they don't care about people's lives because they
Speaker 4: drop bombs on hospitals and kill women, children, kids, and journalists.
Speaker 4: But in this case, you now ventored a sovereign territory
Speaker 4: where the United States has a huge military outpost, huge
Speaker 4: military base, and don't consult anybody, and the wreckage there
Speaker 4: is still being accounted. And the last example I'll give
Speaker 4: is we learned this week in the middle of the
Speaker 4: week that Russia decided to send over four to eighteen drones,
Speaker 4: almost two dozen drones over Poland with their destination not
Speaker 4: being completely clear. Poland is a NATO ally of which
Speaker 4: the United States is compelled to defend if they are attacked.
Speaker 4: We don't invade people's airspace with drones or weaponry with
Speaker 4: no sense of where the destination is. If we, the
Speaker 4: United States were to send weapons over Poland, we would
Speaker 4: have to tell them what we're doing and ask their
Speaker 4: permission for their airspace. And so all I'm saying is
Speaker 4: that I can't treat these isolated because we, the leader
Speaker 4: of the free world, is setting the example that international
Speaker 4: law doesn't matter. In fact, laws on our own land
Speaker 4: don't matter. And therefore the innertial order, y'all is collapsing
Speaker 4: around us. And if you don't think that impacts us,
Speaker 4: think again, Well.
Speaker 1: There are a group of people who think it impacts us.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is week attempted to have dinner out in
Speaker 1: d C. And the citizens I'm free people are going
Speaker 1: to continue to make him feel uncomfortable. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: what happened when he tried to have dinner at Joe's
Speaker 1: Stone Cold Crab Right here in the nation's capital.
Speaker 5: Take a list, stone cold crabt.
Speaker 4: What I say wrong, stone cold?
Speaker 5: I love it. That should be to do day and
Speaker 5: we should have a black by bad Oh my god.
Speaker 9: How like.
Speaker 1: So that is what happened when Donald Trump, and you
Speaker 1: can see him selling people get out of here, like
Speaker 1: get them out of here. He was dining with Defense
Speaker 1: Secretary Pete Excess, Vice President JD. Vance and Secretary of
Speaker 1: State Marco Rubio, and people let.
Speaker 4: Them know how the.
Speaker 3: Right exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: But I also saw people applauding and taking pictures of him,
Speaker 1: and he kept saying, how safety c is now. And
Speaker 1: that is the point, like it is safe for white
Speaker 1: Trump supporters to dine, but not anyone else. And so
Speaker 1: to your point, and to make that bridge between what's
Speaker 1: happening here domestically and what's happening across the world globally
Speaker 1: when you talk about you know, Russia's efforts in Poland,
Speaker 1: that is a part of Vladimir Putin's global ambitions and
Speaker 1: NATO stands in the way of that. And so we
Speaker 1: really are seeing Donald Trump reshape the global world order.
Speaker 3: Who are at We're.
Speaker 1: Treating allies as enemies and enemies as allies and it's
Speaker 1: a crazy time. And to Angela's point about all the
Speaker 1: things that we have to worry about here, I just
Speaker 1: feel like there's this convergence that's going to happen. We
Speaker 1: are in disarray here and our in, our actual enemies
Speaker 1: will look at this like this is the perfect time.
Speaker 3: The United States is in disarray.
Speaker 1: What a better time than to bring terrorism to their
Speaker 1: front door, to disrupt their sense of normalcy here. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm quite afraid of it, and it's
Speaker 1: giving me a little bit of inks about what's happening
Speaker 1: on the global stage and what's happening here domestically. Angela,
Speaker 1: let me ask you, because I know that you know
Speaker 1: you uh some you know are curious about what's happening
Speaker 1: across the globe. What do you think, like do you
Speaker 1: draw a connection between what's happening here domestically and like
Speaker 1: how fearful are you in the order of a hierarchy
Speaker 1: about what's happening across the globe? Especially because I didn't
Speaker 1: know that you had been to Doha before, so having
Speaker 1: been on the ground there, I feel like you have
Speaker 1: a greater appreciation than I do about what it meant
Speaker 1: for the Israeli government to the bomb residential areas.
Speaker 3: So is any.
Speaker 5: Thoughts you know, t if I appreciate that, but I
Speaker 5: think I do want to bring it back home. Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 5: For this very reason, I worked on the Homeland Security
Speaker 5: Committee too in the House how a uh security clearance.
Speaker 5: But also think it is important for people to understand
Speaker 5: that our instability, everything that is happening here is absolutely
Speaker 5: a matter of national security. So when you talk about
Speaker 5: bringing terrorism to our front door, absolutely. The other thing
Speaker 5: that we've we didn't talk about, but I hope we
Speaker 5: can soon, is the fact that they are asking ICE
Speaker 5: to secure this partnership with a digital firm that can
Speaker 5: hack into our phones, including encrypted apps like Signal that
Speaker 5: we readily rely upon. And I'm bringing that up to say,
Speaker 5: if you purchase the app, you think that they're not
Speaker 5: going to use that on your phone? Secretary Pete Heckson,
Speaker 5: you think that they're not like these are These are
Speaker 5: for and actors, and we are affording them access willfully,
Speaker 5: naively and really frankly dangerously. Right. So, I think that
Speaker 5: there are a number of places where we are at risk.
Speaker 5: Our infrastructure is at risk, our cyber security is at risk.
Speaker 5: Our homeland is at risk, and it is from natural
Speaker 5: and man made disasters. And the greatest man made disaster
Speaker 5: there is is Donald and Goddamn Trump. So I think
Speaker 5: that we have to be very clear about all of
Speaker 5: the many ways in which we're vulnerable. I would love
Speaker 5: for us to get a national security expert on. I
Speaker 5: do not purport to be one, but I think that
Speaker 5: we should have one on to talk about all of
Speaker 5: the many places that we are way vulnerable. And I
Speaker 5: think this is I think is one of those even
Speaker 5: you know, Andrew you talking about being in the wild,
Speaker 5: there are some spaces that we should not be susceptible
Speaker 5: to those kinds of threats. And it seems like all
Speaker 5: of the rules surprise, surprise are out of the window.
Speaker 4: But you know what a lilati if they have a
Speaker 4: common thread, and that is Trump is using what had
Speaker 4: previously been tactics held for foreign wars for foreign activity,
Speaker 4: and he has basically made them domestic. The military turned
Speaker 4: on its people, right, using the Navy for law enforcement
Speaker 4: and turning it's on its people. You going in and
Speaker 4: weaponizing our technology against us so that they can get
Speaker 4: into our phones and evade. Now all national all all
Speaker 4: guarantees we have over civil liberties. Those are those are
Speaker 4: tactics that they have extended in foreign wars that they
Speaker 4: are now turning on their own people domestically. It is
Speaker 4: against the law. It has been ruled against the law,
Speaker 4: but they are skirting the law in every way possible
Speaker 4: and basically taking what are militarized and national security apparatus,
Speaker 4: which are used to repel foreign agents and in rare cases,
Speaker 4: those that are domestic who are against us. They're using
Speaker 4: that apparatus and they're turning the whole damn thing on
Speaker 4: the four hundred plus million people who call this place home,
Speaker 4: the Free States of the United States of America. We
Speaker 4: gotta be careful building his own military force through homeland security.
Speaker 4: He's taken the military apparatus and he's pointing it at us.
Speaker 4: That's the danger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, heavy times, heavy times, you guys. I know we
Speaker 1: got to a lot today. I know we've probably overloaded
Speaker 1: the audience. But again, I hope that you all will
Speaker 1: share these conversations and rate, review, subscribe and all the things.
Speaker 1: And I read the comments, so I would love to
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts in the comments below about former Vice
Speaker 1: President Kamala Harris's book about the global threats that we're facing,
Speaker 1: and most certainly about Donald Trump having a third term.
Speaker 1: And of course, if you have a question common if
Speaker 1: we say something you agreed with or disagreed with, do
Speaker 1: please drop us a video. We say welcome home, because
Speaker 1: we do really welcome you home. This is your home too,
Speaker 1: and so we you all are part of the conversation.
Speaker 1: We're not hosts talking at you. We're co hosts talking
Speaker 1: with you. And you guys are really co hosts too,
Speaker 1: because when you want us to talk about a topic,
Speaker 1: we will talk about that topic. So I look forward
Speaker 1: to looking at your videos and including them in the show.
Speaker 1: Let's get to CTA's let's get to these calls to
Speaker 1: action for real.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, what you guys? Did you make fun
Speaker 3: of me?
Speaker 1: By the way, earlier in the show, Andrew you said
Speaker 1: insults and assaults. That was some nice alliteration that I
Speaker 1: do plan on stealing. So I just want to give
Speaker 1: you a heads up now, got it?
Speaker 4: Hey, I appreciate I appreciate the attribution. At this stage,
Speaker 4: I know I won't see it again, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Here for show.
Speaker 4: You know what, folks, I would say, I don't know.
Speaker 4: This is for parents with kids who have just returned
Speaker 4: to school and that sort of thing. And I'm just
Speaker 4: I'm reminded of the fact that we can't take for
Speaker 4: granted that everyone is going to see our children's light
Speaker 4: and their talent, and that no matter what grade they're
Speaker 4: in and where and how accelerated they may be in
Speaker 4: their classes, that we still have to be our children's
Speaker 4: best and first advocate, speaking up, showing up at the
Speaker 4: the open houses, having those conferences with the teachers. If
Speaker 4: they don't schedule them, you initiate them to check in
Speaker 4: on your child, because so often they can be overlooked
Speaker 4: or their performance can be seen as anomalies rather than no,
Speaker 4: this is actually the standard at which they perform, and
Speaker 4: based off that, we recommend this, this, that, and the third.
Speaker 4: But we can just let hand our children. There's no
Speaker 4: other environment by which we would hand our children over
Speaker 4: to strangers, by and large, to us and take our
Speaker 4: hands off of them for seven eight hours of the
Speaker 4: day and not be curious about what happened in that
Speaker 4: period of time. And so I just encourage whether you're
Speaker 4: a parent, a grandparent, a godparent, whatever role you may
Speaker 4: serve in the child's life that we're still their best
Speaker 4: and first advocates always.
Speaker 3: I love that, Hadela. What you got.
Speaker 5: Mine is I want to urge you all, if you haven't,
Speaker 5: to please go back black black, go black, Yes, but
Speaker 5: also go back and listen to our episode with the
Speaker 5: Afro Bibleist. Oh yeah, I'm encouraging that because and if
Speaker 5: you need to do it like once a month. And
Speaker 5: I'm saying that because I really want us to be
Speaker 5: clear about the danger that lies ahead. I really want
Speaker 5: us to figure out what concerted effort, what role we
Speaker 5: can play in the times that are coming. Whether you
Speaker 5: are a funder and you want to help people with
Speaker 5: legal expenses in this very illegal setup that we find
Speaker 5: ourselves in, if you are a black farmer and you
Speaker 5: want to ensure that fresh produce is available to your community,
Speaker 5: if you have land and you want to make sure
Speaker 5: that there's a safe haven for those of us who
Speaker 5: need safety and lack shelter or property. I just want
Speaker 5: us to be very intentional about what assets, what talents,
Speaker 5: what gifts we have to pour into this communal pot
Speaker 5: in this environment. And please be ready. You know what
Speaker 5: they say, y'all, If we say ready, we ain't got
Speaker 5: to give thank you to flavor Flave Andrew you already
Speaker 5: went and tip you have.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'm glad to go. Last.
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say, mine's a little woo woo.
Speaker 1: But I feel like we're all a little more sentiment
Speaker 1: so in our call saction this week. So I just
Speaker 1: had a long therapy session that I'll tell you guys
Speaker 1: about later, but it's really brought home the idea to
Speaker 1: me that life is so temporary, like so temporary, but
Speaker 1: not just temporary but brief, like it goes by, like
Speaker 1: the years can be seconds, like we really just are
Speaker 1: tiny grains of sand in this hour glass of time.
Speaker 1: And it has put in perspective for me because I
Speaker 1: would look back at my life and in my twenties
Speaker 1: and my thirties, it was like I was making all
Speaker 1: these plans, waiting for life to begin. And then when
Speaker 1: you get to forty and you look back and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, but life was happening all those times that
Speaker 1: you were making plans and waiting for life to start,
Speaker 1: your life was happening. Then life happens all around you,
Speaker 1: and so the decades are flying by and now that
Speaker 1: I'm closer to fifty than I am to forty, then
Speaker 1: I am the thirty twenty. It's really making me center
Speaker 1: the fact that every single day is a gift and
Speaker 1: every single day is happening right now, because I even
Speaker 1: find myself now waiting for life to begin. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe life will begin when I insert whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: when I get this dream job, when I get married,
Speaker 1: when I achieve something I don't know whatever your insert is,
Speaker 1: and I just don't feel that way. And so it
Speaker 1: started with small things for me. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've always wanted this liquor cabinet, I'm going.
Speaker 3: To buy it, like why wait?
Speaker 1: Or you know I have this special bottle that I've
Speaker 1: been waiting the crack open.
Speaker 3: But it's today is special because.
Speaker 1: I'm alive and I'm well, and I'm here and I'm
Speaker 1: bearing witness to this history. So not letting the minutia
Speaker 1: of the day get me down, but really embracing the
Speaker 1: fact that I am living my life today. I am present,
Speaker 1: and even in some African cultures, there is no concept
Speaker 1: of a future, there's no concept of tomorrow, because it's
Speaker 1: just your imagination. Today is happening right now. So I
Speaker 1: just want to share that with everybody. And if it
Speaker 1: encourages you to be more present in this moment and
Speaker 1: live today, then whatever that means it looks like to you,
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I want to tell you guys about it with you.
Speaker 4: But my mother in law, yes, please please tell me.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, my mother luve like, so
Speaker 4: you know how you have china cabinets and nice towels
Speaker 4: that you don't bring out except for my mother. Love
Speaker 4: does not live that way. It don't matter what she's serving,
Speaker 4: it's going if she's eaten by herself, it's gonna be
Speaker 4: on her china, it's gonna be on her fine dining.
Speaker 4: If she's gonna wear her you know mink, if she
Speaker 4: wants to, she's you know, you close to her over
Speaker 4: there at Alabama. Uh, Angela. But but I love that,
Speaker 4: And I found myself of late and honestly, this is
Speaker 4: an every night inventory. It has become is when my
Speaker 4: kids time to go to bed, I start like retracing,
Speaker 4: like did I spend enough time talking to them after
Speaker 4: school today? Did I spend enough time? Like it's kind
Speaker 4: of getting underneath just evaluating that in the you know,
Speaker 4: in the day, in the moment, and then trying to
Speaker 4: do better than setting myself up in the fantasy and
Speaker 4: the what hasn't come. But what I hope to manifest
Speaker 4: is that tomorrow I'll spend more time because, as they say,
Speaker 4: the days alone, but the years are short. Yea, And
Speaker 4: I think that's true for not just children, but you know,
Speaker 4: for for our individual lives. The days, yeah, they can
Speaker 4: be long, but the years are short.
Speaker 3: So true, so true.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that you all can take something from
Speaker 1: that and shout out to Andrew's mother in law. He
Speaker 1: talks about you all the time. The boy loved his
Speaker 1: mother and his mother in love.
Speaker 4: Your mama.
Speaker 3: We love mom, yes, absolutely all right.
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