WEBVTT - Celestial Oddities

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to another episode of the Philly Show with Ruben

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<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow Junior Jim Salisbury. I am Todd Solecki. It is Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>April eighth, twenty twenty four. Does everybody have their solar

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<v Speaker 2>eclipse glasses? Jim, I know you're gonna be in the

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<v Speaker 2>backyard today, right in your garden, peering up towards the sky.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have any glasses, so I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>be looking up there because you can. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 3>not a myth. You can hurt your eyes. So unless

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<v Speaker 3>you have the glasses, be very careful.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruben, you got your glasses.

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<v Speaker 4>I have sunglasses, but I have special sunglasses.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be looking I actually.

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<v Speaker 5>Would not be peaking at it.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>We're right on the edge here in Saint Louis because

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<v Speaker 4>I'm getting ready to broadcast these three games here, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's t.

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<v Speaker 5>L but.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that we're gonna have special glasses on the broadcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's cool, that's cool. I actually nerd it out today.

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<v Speaker 2>I walked over the Saint Louis Library, well, the library

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<v Speaker 2>see if I could get.

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<v Speaker 1>Some, and they're all out, so I will now also

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<v Speaker 1>not be.

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<v Speaker 3>Where do you get them. Can you get them?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'll go get some any eyeglass store now, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think as it's last minute, they're probably all all gone.

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<v Speaker 2>So call your optometrist or whatever you call your eye.

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<v Speaker 6>What is the actual when is the actual timing?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. I don't even know, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be some point.

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<v Speaker 3>Today's when it when it comes to you're closing schools

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>My son's getting out of school early.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to celestial oddities, Haley's comments my thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm just gonna wait for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fantastic. I don't know when that's coming around,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna I'm gonna keep an eye on that.

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<v Speaker 1>You did there, Well, that's oddities.

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<v Speaker 2>Phillies take two out of three this weekend in d C.

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<v Speaker 2>They lose this year finale on Sunday three two. They're

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<v Speaker 2>four and five. I thought we should start with something

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of been a hot topic topic of conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the Phillies' base running. They have made twelve

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<v Speaker 2>outs on the bases this season, which leads major League Baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>It is four more than any other team. They've been

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<v Speaker 2>caught stealing six times, they've made six other outs on

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<v Speaker 2>the bases. Kyle Schwarber got doubled off at first base

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday and I thought Rob Thompson said something interesting yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Asked him what do you do about this? And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a tricky, complicated conversation to have with players

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<v Speaker 2>because if you start hammering them on, you guys need

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<v Speaker 2>to be smarter.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys cannot start.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys can't get thrown out taking extra bases. Then

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<v Speaker 2>they lose their aggressiveness. So now tonight, what you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to happen is you have a guy stop at

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<v Speaker 2>second when he could have gotten a third. So I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I want to start with Ruben because you are

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<v Speaker 2>the base running coach with the Red Sox and the Mets.

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<v Speaker 2>So put yourself in Poco Figureo's shoes right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to clean it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But you don't want them to lose their aggressiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>What what do you say? What's your message?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the hope is that they went over this stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I talk.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty adamant and very It's something I'm very passionate about,

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<v Speaker 4>is the base running, because I think it sets the

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<v Speaker 4>tone for your organization.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it sets the tone for your team.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that it can change the game in a

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<v Speaker 4>lot in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 6>And you can win championships.

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<v Speaker 4>So Kennissey Rules basically Run won a championship on their

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<v Speaker 4>base running in twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it was and.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's just a a sort of a mindset.

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<v Speaker 4>It's one thing to be aggressive, it's another thing to

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<v Speaker 4>be aggressive.

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<v Speaker 6>And dumb on the base path.

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<v Speaker 4>And they just I mean, they have some veteran guys

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<v Speaker 4>in that on that team that are not making, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>very good.

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<v Speaker 6>Decisions on the base path.

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<v Speaker 4>I always would want my team to air on the

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<v Speaker 4>side of aggressiveness because getting that extra ninety feet means

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<v Speaker 4>a lot, especially with as many strikeouts as there are

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<v Speaker 4>on the on every game, if you can figure out

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<v Speaker 4>a way to get another ninety feet somehow, that can

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<v Speaker 4>translate into another run or two.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think that's important.

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<v Speaker 4>That said, and I know they have eleven bags, which

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<v Speaker 4>is good, ranks them pretty high in the National League.

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<v Speaker 4>But the fact that they have been thrown out six

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<v Speaker 4>times not good. The fact that they've been picked.

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<v Speaker 6>Off, especially on a left lefty a couple of times on.

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<v Speaker 4>Like first moves I just feel like, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 4>a level of concentration that's not quite there. I would

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<v Speaker 4>assume that they worked on this stuff in spring training,

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<v Speaker 4>but doing rob tops and did say something about, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>this is sort of being on him. It's because maybe

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't work on it, or they didn't set the tone.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, every year when I was a player in

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<v Speaker 4>the Phillies organization and then when I was a coach,

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<v Speaker 4>we would go what we would call around the horn,

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<v Speaker 4>and basically, you know, John Vukovich went through based from

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<v Speaker 4>home plate all the way around the home plate, all

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<v Speaker 4>the responsibilities you have as a base runner. And that

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<v Speaker 4>was something that.

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<v Speaker 6>Was really near and dear to me. And when I

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<v Speaker 6>did it with.

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<v Speaker 4>The Boston Red Sox, did it with the I did

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<v Speaker 4>it with the Mets. The Mets they had never done

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<v Speaker 4>anything like that, so they were it was like.

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<v Speaker 6>New news to them.

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<v Speaker 4>But I, Brian Butterfield and I were worked on the

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<v Speaker 4>with the Red Sox, worked on the.

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<v Speaker 6>Base running stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>At nauseum in UH.

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<v Speaker 6>In spring training, and we were all on the same page.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, we were you know, old kind of old school

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<v Speaker 4>about it, and and I think it's just repetition. I've

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<v Speaker 4>seen I've seen. I've seen us do some things already

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<v Speaker 4>this year.

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<v Speaker 6>Fly balls in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Outfield with nobody out and not tag up and advance,

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<v Speaker 4>not make the right decisions going halfway or tagging up.

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<v Speaker 6>That kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>That's stuff that's fundamental, stuff that should not ever happen,

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<v Speaker 5>especially for this team that's been around a little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, these guys are you know, they're not.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh they're not rookies. There's only one rookie in the

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<v Speaker 4>lineup in Rojas, and I want that guy to be

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<v Speaker 4>as aggressive as hell. So I just think it's a mindset.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that they're not concentrating well enough. And you're right,

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<v Speaker 4>there is a fine line because you don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>you don't want to say, hey, uh, you know, got

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<v Speaker 4>to be a little smarter. Well, I think it's more

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<v Speaker 4>about just paying attention. You got to pay attention and

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<v Speaker 4>understand the scoreboard and understand the score and do what

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<v Speaker 4>you're supposed to do, and know where the fielders are

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<v Speaker 4>when you check.

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<v Speaker 6>Get on the base path.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not about whether I got a hit or not,

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<v Speaker 5>or you know what.

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<v Speaker 6>The deal is. It's about concentrating on scoring a.

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<v Speaker 3>Right Now, did you hear those two.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, are those two?

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<v Speaker 2>No, we're having technical difficulties somehow, Rubin had a.

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<v Speaker 6>We had some realities. Yeah, it wasn't for me.

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<v Speaker 3>So Rubin. I I remember those sessions with John Vukovich

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<v Speaker 3>fondly because we're both very fond of the late great

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<v Speaker 3>John Vukovich.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes we are, but I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean they were they were like a signature day in Clearwater.

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<v Speaker 3>Today is camp vuk Er vuke one on one right,

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<v Speaker 3>and he would you know, start off, play first base,

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<v Speaker 3>second base, I mean, where to hit the bag and

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<v Speaker 3>stuff you learn a little league, but you have to

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<v Speaker 3>you know, turns and stuff and where to look picking

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<v Speaker 3>up balls. Stuff you learn as a kid. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>even at the major league level, it has to be reinforced.

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<v Speaker 3>I like, you will always err on the side of

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<v Speaker 3>aggression because I think it's not a good thing when

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<v Speaker 3>an athlete, almost at any level, is afraid to make

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<v Speaker 3>a mistake. All of a sudden, you're tentative. And when

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<v Speaker 3>you're tentative, you actually make more mistakes. It becomes like

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<v Speaker 3>they're reverse. So you know, the importance an extra ninety

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<v Speaker 3>feet is huge. I think they stressed that a lot

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<v Speaker 3>in spring training. I think coming out of spring training.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on their minds and it sounds simplistic, but just

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<v Speaker 3>you know, do it the right way. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>this is a small sample size. I think it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to level out. I think they're going to be all

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<v Speaker 3>right there. But just don't lose your aggressiveness and don't

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<v Speaker 3>be afraid to make a mistake. It's it's a really

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<v Speaker 3>really fine line. I mean, the guy who's the most

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<v Speaker 3>daring on the basis is Harper. Occasionally he will do

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<v Speaker 3>something that you like sitting upstairs and you're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>why did he do that? Clearly he's trying to do

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<v Speaker 3>too much, being too aggressive, trying to carry a team

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<v Speaker 3>on his all on his back. Remember that mistake that

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<v Speaker 3>Travis Jankowski made a few years ago, Yes, on second bag.

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<v Speaker 3>I always and I still feel bad for him on

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<v Speaker 3>that because he hadn't played a lot. He was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a reserve guy. They put him in. I

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<v Speaker 3>think the pinch run they you know, he needed to

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<v Speaker 3>move up ninety feet. It would have really helped if

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<v Speaker 3>they and he wanted to be aggressive. He read the

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<v Speaker 3>ball down, it gets lost in the catcher's equipment, it

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<v Speaker 3>blends in his dust, you're trying to do too much.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're getting in the game for the first

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<v Speaker 3>time in a while, you want to make a difference,

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<v Speaker 3>and next thing you know, you're just a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>over aggressive. But even though that was like his signature

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<v Speaker 3>moment here, you know, he's.

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<v Speaker 6>A good base he's a good base runner. Yeah, it happens.

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<v Speaker 5>I just feel like it's a level of concentration.

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<v Speaker 4>It's another level of concentration that at at least in

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<v Speaker 4>the early part of the season, just.

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<v Speaker 6>Like anything else.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it's part of like not getting enough

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<v Speaker 4>reps in spring training. If you're not on base in

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<v Speaker 4>spring training and then you're trying to do certain things that.

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<v Speaker 6>You haven't done since last October, it's it's a little unwieldy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's like you practice things and if you don't

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<v Speaker 4>do them in a game situation and you don't get

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<v Speaker 4>to do them a lot during the course of the spring.

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<v Speaker 6>And a lot of guys, there's some guys you don't

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<v Speaker 6>even get on base.

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<v Speaker 3>During spring and Ruben tell me if I'm wrong, you

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<v Speaker 3>got practice, You've got spring training. When the lights go

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<v Speaker 3>on and the third deck was on, the game moves

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<v Speaker 3>even faster so you're trying to take that extra ninety

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<v Speaker 3>feet and that split second is the difference between you

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<v Speaker 3>being bang out or safe. The game moves that much

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<v Speaker 3>faster in the regular season. I just think I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think it's gonna last all year. I think it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of an adjustment thing. But does the game move faster

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<v Speaker 3>in regular season, Well.

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<v Speaker 4>It does, And even more so with with you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when you can make you know, calls based on the video,

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<v Speaker 4>like those bang bang plays.

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<v Speaker 5>You might have been safe, you know ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 5>you're no longer safe.

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<v Speaker 4>Right Well, you know there's replay and stuff like that

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<v Speaker 4>that that that factors in as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think everything that you guys just said you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want you want guys to air on the side

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<v Speaker 2>of aggressiveness is important to say because yesterday again social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Thompson has to send a message, he has to

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<v Speaker 2>bench these guys when they make a mistake. That gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be such a massive overreaction.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle Schwarber after the game, I went up to him

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, you know, can you tell me what

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<v Speaker 2>happened that play? Just said totally bad read in my part,

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<v Speaker 2>totally bad reading my part, and the second thing is

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have been able to get the third base anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know kind of what I was doing there.

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<v Speaker 2>But he said, you know, I've got to you know, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to.

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<v Speaker 6>Clean it up.

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<v Speaker 2>And Rob also has said he's like, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>find these numbers, but he thought they started slowly last

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<v Speaker 2>season too, in terms of making too many mistakes on

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<v Speaker 2>the bases, and then they did clean it up as

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<v Speaker 2>the season went on and they finished Abut they finished

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<v Speaker 2>about middle of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Pack in baseball and outs on the bases whatever that is.

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<v Speaker 2>So they also put a lot of guys on the

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<v Speaker 2>bases as well, so that might factor into those numbers.

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<v Speaker 6>I think they got better and better.

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<v Speaker 4>I generally view them as like a good aggressive base

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<v Speaker 4>running team, but not when you're running into outs. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we talked about uh, we talked about harp.

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<v Speaker 5>You know. Sometimes he reminds me of Scott Rowling.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to run till I'm out, and I you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, you'll you'll love the aggressiveness, but you also have

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<v Speaker 4>to have to have some you have to have some

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<v Speaker 4>prudence as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Spencer Strider is out probably for the season, a huge

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<v Speaker 2>blow for the Braves. Shane Bieber is out, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Strider one obviously has greater implications for the Braves

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<v Speaker 2>and for the Phillies and mean, I guess I'm just wondering,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do you guys, what do you guys think

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<v Speaker 2>about Strider going down and this uptick in UCL injuries

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<v Speaker 2>over the past few years. You know, so the league

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<v Speaker 2>and the Union going back at each other over the

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend. You know, I don't think it's any

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<v Speaker 2>secret that the velocity going up and up and up

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<v Speaker 2>over the years has correlated with the increase in UCL injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you guys think?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, the velocity is a product of guys

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<v Speaker 3>training to throw harder and pushing their bodies further and further,

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<v Speaker 3>and their body just their elbow, their arm up in

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<v Speaker 3>able to hold up to the stress and the exertion

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<v Speaker 3>level of trying to throw it harder and harder because

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<v Speaker 3>there's pressure to throw it harder and harder. It's how

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<v Speaker 3>you get noticed in the showcase circuit. It's how you

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<v Speaker 3>get a college coach to come look at you. It's

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<v Speaker 3>how you get a scout to drive two hundred miles

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<v Speaker 3>and fill out a report on you. And it's the

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<v Speaker 3>same for hitters. Power dominates the game. It's the reason

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<v Speaker 3>we see the elevated or the you know, the the

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<v Speaker 3>bat path with the launch type of angle. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>reason we see less line drive approach, power, power, power.

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<v Speaker 3>It's intoxicating. But you know, I, you know, the art

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<v Speaker 3>of pitching has been replaced by the desire to just

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<v Speaker 3>blow up by people. But I feel bad for Strider.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel bad for the game. You know, I love

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<v Speaker 3>the game. I love watching that guy pitch. I love

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<v Speaker 3>watching him go out there with those Martin sant Louis thighs.

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<v Speaker 3>You can look it up. Todd.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he a hockey player?

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<v Speaker 6>I like to call him Eric Heiden.

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<v Speaker 3>Eric Heiden is a good get. Rubin nice. You were

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<v Speaker 3>watching the Winter Olympics. I don't watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, how about Dan Janssen.

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<v Speaker 5>Dan Jansen, he's a Wisconsin You guys remember Rick Kelling,

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<v Speaker 5>right handed, big strong, right hander.

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<v Speaker 6>What about Albi Lopez? How about those calves?

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought, But Stryder drives off that rubber. He's

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<v Speaker 3>fun to watch. Yeah, I mean last the last two

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<v Speaker 3>years he led the majors and strikeouts, and he spent

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<v Speaker 3>part part of that time as a reliever. A big

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<v Speaker 3>blow to the Braves. I mean they were twenty six

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<v Speaker 3>and six in his starts last year. It's a big blow. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>That said, I'm sorry to see him go down because

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<v Speaker 3>you want your best players on the field. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>that in that Phillies clubhouse they're sorry to see him

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<v Speaker 3>go down because you know, any competitor worth his salt

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<v Speaker 3>wants to bang heads with with another competitor who's at

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<v Speaker 3>full strength. But yeah, I mean, you can't be naive.

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<v Speaker 3>Braves have lost their best pitcher, maybe the best picture

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<v Speaker 3>in boseball.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The Phillies' they're aware of that. They're gonna face him

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<v Speaker 3>five less times this year, and it's it's it's it

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<v Speaker 3>could be to their advantage. But that said, the Atlanta

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<v Speaker 3>Braves are a professional unit. They know how to win.

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<v Speaker 3>They really know how to win. And I'm not just

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<v Speaker 3>talking about recent years. I'm talking going way back over

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<v Speaker 3>the last generation really, so you're gonna have to be

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<v Speaker 3>your best to beat him. But it's it's definitely a blow,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's sad. It's sad to see Bieber go down.

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<v Speaker 3>This epidemic of elbow injuries is really sad, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's the crisis for the game.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna get on my stub box, guys.

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<v Speaker 6>I might it might be a while.

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<v Speaker 3>We get a stop watch.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, here's the issue.

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<v Speaker 4>I think people who don't really know the game have

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<v Speaker 4>affected the game in a really negative way in this

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<v Speaker 4>regard we drive, we have weighted balls, we have drive line,

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<v Speaker 4>we have stuff that has created and jimmuted it and

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<v Speaker 4>nail on the head.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, everybody's worried about.

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<v Speaker 4>Velocity and spin rate and forgotten how to the art

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<v Speaker 4>of pitching, and everybody's worried about trying to hit the

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<v Speaker 4>ball in the air and drive the ball out of

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<v Speaker 4>the ballpark. And we've lost our way with regard to

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<v Speaker 4>what the game of baseball is supposed to be and

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<v Speaker 4>how it really should be played.

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<v Speaker 6>And we've got.

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<v Speaker 4>People who are now taking over the game, who running

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<v Speaker 4>the game at the major league level and all the

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<v Speaker 4>way down, who don't really know the game and feel

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<v Speaker 4>like the biomechanics of the game are you should be

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<v Speaker 4>changed because you know that's the way to have success.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, guess what, there's.

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<v Speaker 4>A billion dollars of people on the IL right now

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<v Speaker 4>because of it. The body cannot biomechanically take the sort

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<v Speaker 4>of pressure that is created by the velocities and the

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<v Speaker 4>spin rates and the way you're twisting your joints and

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<v Speaker 4>your soft tissues in your ooints to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>withstand any of this.

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<v Speaker 6>And this is the result.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we allowed people who don't really understand the

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<v Speaker 4>game take over the game, and this is.

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<v Speaker 6>What you're gonna get.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's so disappointing because you want the because

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<v Speaker 4>the athletes in this day and age are better than

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<v Speaker 4>they ever were.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's ridiculous from a decade ago till now.

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<v Speaker 7>These guys are big and strong and fast and unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 7>but they're not taught to play the game the right

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<v Speaker 7>way because what's become more important is, you know, biomechanics

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<v Speaker 7>and that kind of stuff, and not the game of

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<v Speaker 7>baseball still a game of baseball that is unique to

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<v Speaker 7>any other sport. And so maybe the cricket as close

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<v Speaker 7>as you can get, and that's pretty damn popular too,

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<v Speaker 7>but that that's a real problem because you want.

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<v Speaker 4>To have the best athletes on the field that fans deserve,

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<v Speaker 4>that you deserve it. And I think this has really

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<v Speaker 4>created a situation where now when you go to a

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<v Speaker 4>baseball game, you're not going to see Garrett Cole, You're

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<v Speaker 4>not gonna see Spencer Strider, You're not gonna see Uri Perez,

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<v Speaker 4>You're not going to see Bieber. And it's disappointing now

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<v Speaker 4>for the Phillies on for their part, when you start

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<v Speaker 4>looking at what you know, guys like Aaron Nola, who's

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<v Speaker 4>as durable as hell, and Zach Wheeler, who is now

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<v Speaker 4>learned over the last several years how to pitch without

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<v Speaker 4>his great velocity, to move the ball, to cut the ball,

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<v Speaker 4>to keep the ball off the.

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<v Speaker 6>Barrel, to pitch.

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<v Speaker 5>I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>And the same thing with a guy like even Christopher Sanchez,

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<v Speaker 4>same thing. I mean, they didn't have a great out

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<v Speaker 4>in his last outing, kept the team in the game,

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<v Speaker 4>but he was one of the most consistent guys because

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<v Speaker 4>he's learned how to pitch and throw strikes.

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<v Speaker 3>Wheeler still brings it. He's just kind of easy velocity,

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful Anne's easy velocity and everything looks to He's got

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<v Speaker 3>a big, tall frame, big strong man. It fits his frame.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not a grunter and a groaner.

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<v Speaker 4>No, there's so much maximum effort now in a lot

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:17.280
<v Speaker 4>of the pitchers that that maximum effort is causing real problems.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it ever goes back, because I

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<v Speaker 2>asked Rob Thompson that I said, it's never going to

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<v Speaker 2>change though, right because I don't know how you go

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<v Speaker 2>from wanting a bullpen that averages ninety six miles an

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<v Speaker 2>hour on your fastball, which is what you should want.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess because you're going to get a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>guys out. Is it ever going to cycle back to

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<v Speaker 2>that pitch ability? And he says he thinks everything goes

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<v Speaker 2>in cycles. I guess I just have trouble seeing a

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<v Speaker 2>time where twenty years from now, we're going remember back

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four when everybody was throwing ninety six

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<v Speaker 2>miles an hour and Baseball just decided, hey, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>want that. I mean, maybe it does cycle back, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, right now, for sure, it's just it's all

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<v Speaker 2>it's all velo all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard some interesting things over the last couple of

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<v Speaker 4>weeks that the pitchers now are realizing that they're getting hurt,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that's going to it's going to make

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<v Speaker 4>the players have to decide, you know what, what's best

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<v Speaker 4>for me, what's best for my career? And the valuate

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<v Speaker 4>The people who are evaluating are also going to have

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<v Speaker 4>to understand the game a little bit better and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>what's best for our organizations. Should we have the picture

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<v Speaker 4>throw as hard as you possibly can blow out or

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<v Speaker 4>should we have him hang around for a while and

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<v Speaker 4>build him up properly the way you do with long

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<v Speaker 4>toss and leg work and all that other kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think the players are starting to realize that

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<v Speaker 4>the Tampa Bay Rays, while they have done a great

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<v Speaker 4>job of maximizing players, they're taking a play who has

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<v Speaker 4>a certain pitch, split, scutter, slider, whatever they're and they're

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<v Speaker 4>throwing it seventy percent of the time and they're breaking.

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<v Speaker 4>They're going on the il and they're bringing up the

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<v Speaker 4>next guy to do it. That's kind of and the

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<v Speaker 4>next guy is gonna throw a hundred and to cut

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<v Speaker 4>that fastball or to spin it or to do whatever

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<v Speaker 4>at you know, three thousand RPMs. And I think the

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<v Speaker 4>players are going to have to realize for themselves, say

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<v Speaker 4>this is breaking me, It's gould ruin my career, and

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<v Speaker 4>they have to I think they're going to have to

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<v Speaker 4>take a stand in some way, shape or form, And

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's one of the reasons why you saw

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<v Speaker 4>them sort of, you know, stick their chests out and

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<v Speaker 4>talk about the pitch clock.

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<v Speaker 6>That for me, is not it's not the reason. It's

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<v Speaker 6>not the pitch clock. I don't care what you say.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the combination of having to get on the mound

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<v Speaker 4>more quickly and then still trying to throw a maximum

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<v Speaker 4>effort pitch.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the problem. And and so you know, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 6>have to do a lot better job.

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<v Speaker 4>Of developing guys who have stamina and pitch ability. And

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<v Speaker 4>we don't do that, then you're this is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be the result, and it's going to continue to get

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<v Speaker 4>exponentially worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's it's a topic that's I forgot about

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<v Speaker 3>Garrett Cole as you mentioned Bieber, and it's a topic

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<v Speaker 3>that is it's not going away, and it's uh, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just bad for baseball and it's sad for baseball. I

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<v Speaker 3>just wanted to shift back to something in front of

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<v Speaker 3>we're experiencing right now. What are you guys thinking of

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<v Speaker 3>Johann Rojas, what are you seeing You're seeing progress? And

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<v Speaker 3>how long of a leash. You know, does he have

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<v Speaker 3>or will the team give him before they I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>they're talking about which way to go, But how long

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<v Speaker 3>does this thing last without getting better?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I when the season started, I thought, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to give him at least a month.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, you have to give him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a month worth of at bats, just so he doesn't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and get settled in.

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<v Speaker 1>The bats have not been great.

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<v Speaker 2>You now they will point out that he is chasing

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<v Speaker 2>less compared to last season, and he is chasing less again,

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<v Speaker 2>super small sample size.

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<v Speaker 1>His chase rate is down. Is that good?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes in theory, But he's also swinging at fewer pitches

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<v Speaker 2>in the zone. So I feel like there's been some

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<v Speaker 2>times where he will chase and then in the next

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.600
<v Speaker 2>step bat. I specifically remember this is a spring training game,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was a game in Tampa against the Yankees

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:41.879
<v Speaker 2>where he's swinging at three pitches out of the zone.

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.400
<v Speaker 2>The next step bat, very next at bat, all three

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 2>pitches were in the zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Take take, take strikeout, see you later. Back to the dugout.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wonder if he's he's I'm sure he's just

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>pressing and thinking too much, and I don't know how

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 2>long they go with him. But you know a lot

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 2>of those, you know, he's swinging at the first pitch less,

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I said, swing swings, Uh, swinging pitches

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:07.959
<v Speaker 2>in the zone is down as well. So he's just

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 2>I feel like maybe he's too tentative out there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you do to kind of get

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<v Speaker 2>him get him going.

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>But I think he needs more time in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>But you guys might you guys might disagree on that,

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<v Speaker 2>might think that you know this is going a bad

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<v Speaker 2>way fast, and you don't want to kill the guy's confidence.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey Tom uh Todd, you're what would you say to

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<v Speaker 4>that biggest spot on?

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<v Speaker 6>I see, I know that these it.

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<v Speaker 4>We all know how difficult it is to hit already,

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<v Speaker 4>But when you start thinking while you're hitting instead of

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<v Speaker 4>just reacting as as Jim has talked about and being

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 4>able to instinctively make the right decisions to swing, you're

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 4>in trouble. And I see a tentativeness now because he

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 4>is trying to, you know, stay in the zone with

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 4>his swing where he's taking pitches he should be whacking.

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 4>And I also see a less aggressive overall swing out

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<v Speaker 4>of him.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean he's he's he's he.

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<v Speaker 5>Swings hard, always sort of.

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<v Speaker 4>Has, and I don't see him having that swagger of

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 4>confidence to do that now.

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<v Speaker 6>In the clubhouse.

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<v Speaker 4>He's been great, great kid. He doesn't seem to be wavering.

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<v Speaker 4>But when you get between the lines and then I've

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.159
<v Speaker 4>lived it. I've lived it when I've stood in the box.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was the one thing I did well as

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<v Speaker 4>a minor leaguer was hit, could hit a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>Check the numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>Well I got to the big leagues, man, I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have a whole lot of confidence. And I and my

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:38.919
<v Speaker 4>decisions and my you know, and the pitches I was

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 4>swinging at, not strikes. I mean when I when you're

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:46.880
<v Speaker 4>when you're struggling and thinking about things mentally, it makes

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 4>it so much more difficult to hit when you're in

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<v Speaker 4>the major leagues and you are in the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't, I don't. I just don't want the kid

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:57.360
<v Speaker 6>to get buried.

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 4>And it may and I went through this myself, and

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.959
<v Speaker 4>it may just take him to go down for like

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:08.480
<v Speaker 4>three weeks to gain get his mojo back, get his

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<v Speaker 4>get his act together again, and remember who he is

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 4>to come.

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<v Speaker 6>Back and help out this ball club.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what the timeline is, but if I

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<v Speaker 4>see another week or ten days of this sort of

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 4>sane approach, I might think about sending him out.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you, Jim.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, you both use this word, and it

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 3>scares me. Tentative an athlete can't be tentative. I mean,

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, if you're tentative on the fall line, you're

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 3>not gonna finish and it's not gonna go in the hole,

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 3>you know. I mean, if you're tentative in football, you're

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna get your head knocked off. If you're if you're

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 3>tentative in baseball, you're not gonna You're just thinking too much.

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 3>You're not gonna You're not gonna be on time. You're

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 3>not gonna be on time for any pitches. So if

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.159
<v Speaker 3>you're both seeing that, that really that really worries me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.440
<v Speaker 3>I think though we focused a lot on their off

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 3>to a slow start, there's still four and five as

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:13.199
<v Speaker 3>we sit here going into the what fourth series of

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.360
<v Speaker 3>the year. It would be a lot worse if they

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 3>were like, you know, one and eight or or two

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 3>and six or something, so you know the team is

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 3>treading water. I guess you'd say around five hundred.

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 6>It.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't feel as glaring as it could be. It

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.200
<v Speaker 3>would certainly help if they were producing one through eight

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 3>in the lineup, and they're not. But you know, their

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 3>organization has a responsibility for this kid physically and mentally,

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 3>and we all know the the mind leads the body

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 3>in a lot of cases and athletics, and if if

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 3>it's best to get him a you know, to take

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 3>to exhale and go to triple A. But is it

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 3>going to be that much better in triple A? I mean,

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of veteran guys down there that

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 3>know how to spin the ball, you know, not as

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 3>sharp as up here, or they'd be here. But it's

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 3>a really difficult decision. But I think the leash has

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 3>to be maybe a little bit longer. You asked them

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 3>to make adjustments. It's hard to make adjustments in real time,

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 3>and it gave the speed in the big leagues. It's

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 3>a really tough dilemma, one that I'm sure that they're

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 3>talking about right Rubin. They're talking about this every day

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 3>based on the four at bats they see that night, these.

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 4>Four they're certainly talking about it internally. I will say

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 4>one thing about is it different in triple A. Yes,

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 4>I will tell you what's different about a triple A.

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 4>You're not in the middle of the spotlight.

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 5>Man.

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 6>Triple A is like being in a different world.

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 4>I will tell you that when I went down, it

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 4>was almost like when they sent me back down.

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 6>I was hitting a buck ninety or whatever it was,

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 6>I was hitting.

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 4>It literally released the albat tross off of me, and

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 4>I said, I'm going to go back to just playing

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 4>baseball and being myself. And then, fortunately for me and

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 4>I got advice from John Kruck about this, it was great.

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 6>When I was in the big leagues, you just got

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 6>to be yourself.

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 4>Right when I came back, I was way more myself

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 4>at the end of that season that was ninety two.

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 4>I think it was I just felt like so differently

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 4>about my approach and my confidence, and I just said,

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 4>you know what, screw it, I'm going to be myself

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 4>and be my and play my game and that'll be fine.

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 4>And it got better. I Mean, I don't know what

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 4>all the numbers look like, but I guarantee you by

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 4>the time I came back, I didn't finish.

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 8>With a great you know, like two twenty that year,

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 8>but I went from one ninety to one hundred to

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 8>twenty or whatever whatever the number was. And it's just

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 8>a different mindset and different feel and at sometimes that's

0:30:58.760 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 8>what you need.

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 2>When you mentioned one ninety, how aware were you of

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 2>your batting average every time you stepped into the batter's box?

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I know players love to say I don't really

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 2>look at the scoreboard. I don't really don't pay attention,

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 2>but I know that that isn't that.

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 5>Is a lot.

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 4>That is a flat out lie. So you're on single

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 4>person on the planet. I mean, this is a game

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 4>of numbers. You can be sure that every single person

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 4>are in your head. You don't want to say you're

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 4>calculating your numbers as you're as you're running down the line.

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 4>I mean that's life, man, And that's what I'm judged

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 4>on your numbers.

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's what Johann Rojas's looking up there tonight.

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 4>Unless you fifty, yeah, unless you're like, unless you're in

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 4>the you know, big leagues for ten years.

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 7>And even if even those guys, I mean, think about

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 7>Trey Turner last year.

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 3>Tree Turner, you don't.

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 4>Think he was looking up there going You don't think

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 4>kyleege Schwarber is going.

0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 6>I was in that under two hundred.

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 4>I know I'm hitting home runs and I'm doing other damage.

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 4>But you know, these are human beings man, baseball players.

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 4>Everybody knows their numbers. Everybody knows their numbers almost to

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 4>the te Sure doesn't.

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 9>Matter now now that now that I know their numbers

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 9>broken down, seven hundred thousand ways w r C plus

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 9>my man, please, that will be the next episode.

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>We'll get into some ex wOBA. Let's let's know will

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>not Let's let's wrap this up.

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Cardinals Phillies beginning tonight, Spencer Turnbull versus Miles Michaelis, Zach Wheeler.

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Sonny Gray is going to make his debut on Tuesday.

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>That's why Rob started, Rob Thompson started, Whitmerfield and.

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Hasha and you know, am I blanking on the other guy?

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>And Mundo us had a big game.

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 2>They started started him on Sunday because they're not going

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 2>to face the lefty for a while, so they wanted

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 2>to get them in there. And then Nola versus Lanceln

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>on Wednesdays so Phillies can get back up to five

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 2>hundred if they they win this series.

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 3>That's what it's all about. Just win series.

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Man, just they win. They went too out of three

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 1>every series.

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>The rest of the way, they're gonna have one of

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>the best seasons in baseball history.

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 6>The World Series, exactly right. I mean, I know it's

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 6>a slow start.

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 5>I'm a little you know, their offense has been weak.

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 6>It's been not good.

0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 4>They're supposed to be a better offensive team. They gotta

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 4>get Castillanos going, They gotta get Turner going. Those guys,

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I know we're talking about Rojas, but those

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 4>two guys, man, you gotta go get rolling.

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can get them rolling. Now. Some the focus

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 3>a little bit is off Rojas, and I mean that

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 3>was sort of the template from the beginning. They thought

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 3>they were strong enough one through weight where they could

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 3>carry him. If you're not going to be strong one

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 3>through eight, his shortcomings are going to be magnified.

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 4>They will at some point. It's just a matter of

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 4>when I see some good signs.

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 3>I was surprised that turn of strikeouts the last two

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 3>years much higher than we.

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.280
<v Speaker 6>He's a swinger, He's an aggressive swinger.

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 4>So he's also been a sort of a victim of

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 4>some some umpire.

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 6>That's been a little.

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 3>They really, I mean, when he won his batting title.

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 3>He was striking out like fifteen percent of the time.

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 3>And now just I know, small sample sizes, it's like

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 3>thirty this year, a very small sample size, but I mean, he,

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:52.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, so much more dangerous to putting in imply.

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, and interestingly, I mean he should be

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 4>He's should be getting pitches of hit. He's hitting in

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 4>front of Harper, you know, should be getting pitches to

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 4>hit and doing some damage.

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 6>And it's really more about.

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 4>The pitches that he's not hitting, you know, missing the

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 4>ones that are in the zone, than it is swinging

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 4>the ones out of the zone.

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 6>I've seen a lot of takes for strike threes.

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.959
<v Speaker 4>From both Turner and Cassianos because you know, maybe they're

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 4>up there just maybe thinking a little bit too much.

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Right now, Well, guys, Jim go get your eclipse glasses.

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 1>If not, do not, do not look at the sun.

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Do not look at the sun.

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully we will see you and you'll see us when

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<v Speaker 2>we do our next show later this week. Thanks guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks for listening and watching the Philly show.

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