1 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the Philly Show with Ruben 3 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Tomorrow Junior Jim Salisbury. I am Todd Solecki. It is Monday, 4 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: April eighth, twenty twenty four. Does everybody have their solar 5 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: eclipse glasses? Jim, I know you're gonna be in the 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: backyard today, right in your garden, peering up towards the sky. 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 3: I don't have any glasses, so I'm not going to 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 3: be looking up there because you can. I mean, that's 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 3: not a myth. You can hurt your eyes. So unless 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 3: you have the glasses, be very careful. 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: Ruben, you got your glasses. 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 4: I have sunglasses, but I have special sunglasses. 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: Don't be looking I actually. 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 5: Would not be peaking at it. 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 6: I don't know. 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 4: We're right on the edge here in Saint Louis because 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 4: I'm getting ready to broadcast these three games here, and 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 4: that's t. 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 5: L but. 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 4: I think that we're gonna have special glasses on the broadcast. 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Oh that's cool, that's cool. I actually nerd it out today. 22 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: I walked over the Saint Louis Library, well, the library 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: see if I could get. 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: Some, and they're all out, so I will now also 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: not be. 26 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: Where do you get them. Can you get them? 27 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go get some any eyeglass store now, but 28 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: I think as it's last minute, they're probably all all gone. 29 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: So call your optometrist or whatever you call your eye. 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 6: What is the actual when is the actual timing? 31 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: That's a great question. I don't even know, but it's 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: gonna be some point. 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: Today's when it when it comes to you're closing schools 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: and stuff. 35 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: My son's getting out of school early. 36 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 3: When it comes to celestial oddities, Haley's comments my thing. 37 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna wait for that. 38 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: Okay, that's fantastic. I don't know when that's coming around, 39 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna I'm gonna keep an eye on that. 40 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: You did there, Well, that's oddities. 41 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: Phillies take two out of three this weekend in d C. 42 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: They lose this year finale on Sunday three two. They're 43 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: four and five. I thought we should start with something 44 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: that's kind of been a hot topic topic of conversation, 45 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: which is the Phillies' base running. They have made twelve 46 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: outs on the bases this season, which leads major League Baseball. 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: It is four more than any other team. They've been 48 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: caught stealing six times, they've made six other outs on 49 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: the bases. Kyle Schwarber got doubled off at first base 50 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: yesterday and I thought Rob Thompson said something interesting yesterday. 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: Asked him what do you do about this? And he said, 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: this is a tricky, complicated conversation to have with players 53 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: because if you start hammering them on, you guys need 54 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: to be smarter. 55 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: You guys cannot start. 56 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: You guys can't get thrown out taking extra bases. Then 57 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 2: they lose their aggressiveness. So now tonight, what you don't 58 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: want to happen is you have a guy stop at 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: second when he could have gotten a third. So I 60 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: guess I want to start with Ruben because you are 61 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: the base running coach with the Red Sox and the Mets. 62 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: So put yourself in Poco Figureo's shoes right now. 63 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: You need to clean it up. 64 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: But you don't want them to lose their aggressiveness. 65 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: What what do you say? What's your message? 66 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 6: Well, the hope is that they went over this stuff. 67 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 6: You know, I talk. 68 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 4: I'm pretty adamant and very It's something I'm very passionate about, 69 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: is the base running, because I think it sets the 70 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 4: tone for your organization. 71 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 6: I think it sets the tone for your team. 72 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 4: I believe that it can change the game in a 73 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 4: lot in a lot of ways. 74 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 6: And you can win championships. 75 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 4: So Kennissey Rules basically Run won a championship on their 76 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 4: base running in twenty fifteen. 77 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 6: I think it was and. 78 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 4: I think it's just a a sort of a mindset. 79 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 4: It's one thing to be aggressive, it's another thing to 80 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: be aggressive. 81 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 6: And dumb on the base path. 82 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: And they just I mean, they have some veteran guys 83 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: in that on that team that are not making, you know, 84 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: very good. 85 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 6: Decisions on the base path. 86 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 4: I always would want my team to air on the 87 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 4: side of aggressiveness because getting that extra ninety feet means 88 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 4: a lot, especially with as many strikeouts as there are 89 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: on the on every game, if you can figure out 90 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 4: a way to get another ninety feet somehow, that can 91 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 4: translate into another run or two. 92 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 6: So I think that's important. 93 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 4: That said, and I know they have eleven bags, which 94 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 4: is good, ranks them pretty high in the National League. 95 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: But the fact that they have been thrown out six 96 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 4: times not good. The fact that they've been picked. 97 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 6: Off, especially on a left lefty a couple of times on. 98 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 4: Like first moves I just feel like, you know, there's 99 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 4: a level of concentration that's not quite there. I would 100 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 4: assume that they worked on this stuff in spring training, 101 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 4: but doing rob tops and did say something about, you know, 102 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 4: this is sort of being on him. It's because maybe 103 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 4: they didn't work on it, or they didn't set the tone. 104 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 4: I know, every year when I was a player in 105 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 4: the Phillies organization and then when I was a coach, 106 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: we would go what we would call around the horn, 107 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 4: and basically, you know, John Vukovich went through based from 108 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 4: home plate all the way around the home plate, all 109 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: the responsibilities you have as a base runner. And that 110 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 4: was something that. 111 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 6: Was really near and dear to me. And when I 112 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 6: did it with. 113 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 4: The Boston Red Sox, did it with the I did 114 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: it with the Mets. The Mets they had never done 115 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 4: anything like that, so they were it was like. 116 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 6: New news to them. 117 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 4: But I, Brian Butterfield and I were worked on the 118 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 4: with the Red Sox, worked on the. 119 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 6: Base running stuff. 120 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: At nauseum in UH. 121 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 6: In spring training, and we were all on the same page. 122 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 4: Man, we were you know, old kind of old school 123 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 4: about it, and and I think it's just repetition. I've 124 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 4: seen I've seen. I've seen us do some things already 125 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 4: this year. 126 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 6: Fly balls in the. 127 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 4: Outfield with nobody out and not tag up and advance, 128 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 4: not make the right decisions going halfway or tagging up. 129 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 6: That kind of stuff. 130 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 5: That's stuff that's fundamental, stuff that should not ever happen, 131 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 5: especially for this team that's been around a little bit. 132 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 6: You know, these guys are you know, they're not. 133 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 4: Oh they're not rookies. There's only one rookie in the 134 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 4: lineup in Rojas, and I want that guy to be 135 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 4: as aggressive as hell. So I just think it's a mindset. 136 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: I think that they're not concentrating well enough. And you're right, 137 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: there is a fine line because you don't want to 138 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 4: you don't want to say, hey, uh, you know, got 139 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 4: to be a little smarter. Well, I think it's more 140 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 4: about just paying attention. You got to pay attention and 141 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: understand the scoreboard and understand the score and do what 142 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 4: you're supposed to do, and know where the fielders are 143 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 4: when you check. 144 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 6: Get on the base path. 145 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 5: It's not about whether I got a hit or not, 146 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 5: or you know what. 147 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 6: The deal is. It's about concentrating on scoring a. 148 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: Right Now, did you hear those two. 149 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, are those two? 150 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: No, we're having technical difficulties somehow, Rubin had a. 151 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 6: We had some realities. Yeah, it wasn't for me. 152 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: So Rubin. I I remember those sessions with John Vukovich 153 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: fondly because we're both very fond of the late great 154 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: John Vukovich. 155 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 6: Yes we are, but I. 156 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: Mean they were they were like a signature day in Clearwater. 157 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: Today is camp vuk Er vuke one on one right, 158 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: and he would you know, start off, play first base, 159 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: second base, I mean, where to hit the bag and 160 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: stuff you learn a little league, but you have to 161 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: you know, turns and stuff and where to look picking 162 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: up balls. Stuff you learn as a kid. But you know, 163 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: even at the major league level, it has to be reinforced. 164 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: I like, you will always err on the side of 165 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: aggression because I think it's not a good thing when 166 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: an athlete, almost at any level, is afraid to make 167 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: a mistake. All of a sudden, you're tentative. And when 168 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: you're tentative, you actually make more mistakes. It becomes like 169 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: they're reverse. So you know, the importance an extra ninety 170 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: feet is huge. I think they stressed that a lot 171 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: in spring training. I think coming out of spring training. 172 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: It's on their minds and it sounds simplistic, but just 173 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: you know, do it the right way. And I think 174 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: this is a small sample size. I think it's going 175 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: to level out. I think they're going to be all 176 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: right there. But just don't lose your aggressiveness and don't 177 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: be afraid to make a mistake. It's it's a really 178 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: really fine line. I mean, the guy who's the most 179 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 3: daring on the basis is Harper. Occasionally he will do 180 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: something that you like sitting upstairs and you're like, you know, 181 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: why did he do that? Clearly he's trying to do 182 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: too much, being too aggressive, trying to carry a team 183 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: on his all on his back. Remember that mistake that 184 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: Travis Jankowski made a few years ago, Yes, on second bag. 185 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: I always and I still feel bad for him on 186 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: that because he hadn't played a lot. He was like, 187 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: you know, a reserve guy. They put him in. I 188 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: think the pinch run they you know, he needed to 189 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: move up ninety feet. It would have really helped if 190 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: they and he wanted to be aggressive. He read the 191 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: ball down, it gets lost in the catcher's equipment, it 192 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: blends in his dust, you're trying to do too much. 193 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: You know, you're getting in the game for the first 194 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: time in a while, you want to make a difference, 195 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: and next thing you know, you're just a little bit 196 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: over aggressive. But even though that was like his signature 197 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: moment here, you know, he's. 198 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 6: A good base he's a good base runner. Yeah, it happens. 199 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 5: I just feel like it's a level of concentration. 200 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: It's another level of concentration that at at least in 201 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 4: the early part of the season, just. 202 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 6: Like anything else. 203 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 4: And I think it's part of like not getting enough 204 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 4: reps in spring training. If you're not on base in 205 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 4: spring training and then you're trying to do certain things that. 206 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 6: You haven't done since last October, it's it's a little unwieldy. 207 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: It's it's like you practice things and if you don't 208 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 4: do them in a game situation and you don't get 209 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 4: to do them a lot during the course of the spring. 210 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 6: And a lot of guys, there's some guys you don't 211 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 6: even get on base. 212 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: During spring and Ruben tell me if I'm wrong, you 213 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: got practice, You've got spring training. When the lights go 214 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: on and the third deck was on, the game moves 215 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: even faster so you're trying to take that extra ninety 216 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: feet and that split second is the difference between you 217 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: being bang out or safe. The game moves that much 218 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: faster in the regular season. I just think I don't 219 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: think it's gonna last all year. I think it's kind 220 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 3: of an adjustment thing. But does the game move faster 221 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 3: in regular season, Well. 222 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: It does, And even more so with with you know, 223 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 4: when you can make you know, calls based on the video, 224 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 4: like those bang bang plays. 225 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 5: You might have been safe, you know ten years ago, 226 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 5: you're no longer safe. 227 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 4: Right Well, you know there's replay and stuff like that 228 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 4: that that that factors in as well. 229 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: And I think everything that you guys just said you 230 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: don't want you want guys to air on the side 231 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: of aggressiveness is important to say because yesterday again social media. 232 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: Rob Thompson has to send a message, he has to 233 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: bench these guys when they make a mistake. That gosh, 234 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: that would be such a massive overreaction. 235 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 5: You know. 236 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber after the game, I went up to him 237 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: and I said, you know, can you tell me what 238 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: happened that play? Just said totally bad read in my part, 239 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: totally bad reading my part, and the second thing is 240 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been able to get the third base anyway, 241 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: so I don't know kind of what I was doing there. 242 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: But he said, you know, I've got to you know, obviously, 243 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: I've got to. 244 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 6: Clean it up. 245 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: And Rob also has said he's like, and I can't 246 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: find these numbers, but he thought they started slowly last 247 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: season too, in terms of making too many mistakes on 248 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: the bases, and then they did clean it up as 249 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: the season went on and they finished Abut they finished 250 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 2: about middle of the. 251 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: Pack in baseball and outs on the bases whatever that is. 252 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: So they also put a lot of guys on the 253 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: bases as well, so that might factor into those numbers. 254 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 6: I think they got better and better. 255 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 4: I generally view them as like a good aggressive base 256 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 4: running team, but not when you're running into outs. I mean, 257 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 4: we talked about uh, we talked about harp. 258 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 5: You know. Sometimes he reminds me of Scott Rowling. 259 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 6: I'm going to run till I'm out, and I you. 260 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 4: Know, you'll you'll love the aggressiveness, but you also have 261 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 4: to have to have some you have to have some 262 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: prudence as well. 263 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: Spencer Strider is out probably for the season, a huge 264 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: blow for the Braves. Shane Bieber is out, but you know, 265 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: the Strider one obviously has greater implications for the Braves 266 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: and for the Phillies and mean, I guess I'm just wondering, 267 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 2: you know, do you guys, what do you guys think 268 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 2: about Strider going down and this uptick in UCL injuries 269 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: over the past few years. You know, so the league 270 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: and the Union going back at each other over the 271 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 2: over the weekend. You know, I don't think it's any 272 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: secret that the velocity going up and up and up 273 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: over the years has correlated with the increase in UCL injuries. 274 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: What do you guys think? 275 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 3: Well, you know, the velocity is a product of guys 276 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 3: training to throw harder and pushing their bodies further and further, 277 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 3: and their body just their elbow, their arm up in 278 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: able to hold up to the stress and the exertion 279 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 3: level of trying to throw it harder and harder because 280 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 3: there's pressure to throw it harder and harder. It's how 281 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: you get noticed in the showcase circuit. It's how you 282 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 3: get a college coach to come look at you. It's 283 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 3: how you get a scout to drive two hundred miles 284 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: and fill out a report on you. And it's the 285 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: same for hitters. Power dominates the game. It's the reason 286 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: we see the elevated or the you know, the the 287 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: bat path with the launch type of angle. It's the 288 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: reason we see less line drive approach, power, power, power. 289 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: It's intoxicating. But you know, I, you know, the art 290 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: of pitching has been replaced by the desire to just 291 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: blow up by people. But I feel bad for Strider. 292 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 3: I feel bad for the game. You know, I love 293 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: the game. I love watching that guy pitch. I love 294 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: watching him go out there with those Martin sant Louis thighs. 295 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: You can look it up. Todd. 296 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: Is he a hockey player? 297 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 6: I like to call him Eric Heiden. 298 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: Eric Heiden is a good get. Rubin nice. You were 299 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 3: watching the Winter Olympics. I don't watch. 300 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: Hey, how about Dan Janssen. 301 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 5: Dan Jansen, he's a Wisconsin You guys remember Rick Kelling, 302 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 5: right handed, big strong, right hander. 303 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 6: What about Albi Lopez? How about those calves? 304 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: So I thought, But Stryder drives off that rubber. He's 305 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: fun to watch. Yeah, I mean last the last two 306 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: years he led the majors and strikeouts, and he spent 307 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: part part of that time as a reliever. A big 308 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: blow to the Braves. I mean they were twenty six 309 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: and six in his starts last year. It's a big blow. Uh. 310 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: That said, I'm sorry to see him go down because 311 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: you want your best players on the field. I'm sure 312 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: that in that Phillies clubhouse they're sorry to see him 313 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: go down because you know, any competitor worth his salt 314 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 3: wants to bang heads with with another competitor who's at 315 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: full strength. But yeah, I mean, you can't be naive. 316 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: Braves have lost their best pitcher, maybe the best picture 317 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: in boseball. 318 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 5: You know. 319 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: The Phillies' they're aware of that. They're gonna face him 320 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: five less times this year, and it's it's it's it 321 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: could be to their advantage. But that said, the Atlanta 322 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: Braves are a professional unit. They know how to win. 323 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: They really know how to win. And I'm not just 324 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: talking about recent years. I'm talking going way back over 325 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 3: the last generation really, so you're gonna have to be 326 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: your best to beat him. But it's it's definitely a blow, 327 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 3: and it's sad. It's sad to see Bieber go down. 328 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: This epidemic of elbow injuries is really sad, and it's 329 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: it's it's it's the crisis for the game. 330 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 5: I'm gonna get on my stub box, guys. 331 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 6: I might it might be a while. 332 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: We get a stop watch. 333 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, here's the issue. 334 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: I think people who don't really know the game have 335 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 4: affected the game in a really negative way in this 336 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: regard we drive, we have weighted balls, we have drive line, 337 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 4: we have stuff that has created and jimmuted it and 338 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 4: nail on the head. 339 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 6: I mean, everybody's worried about. 340 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 4: Velocity and spin rate and forgotten how to the art 341 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: of pitching, and everybody's worried about trying to hit the 342 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: ball in the air and drive the ball out of 343 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: the ballpark. And we've lost our way with regard to 344 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 4: what the game of baseball is supposed to be and 345 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 4: how it really should be played. 346 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 6: And we've got. 347 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: People who are now taking over the game, who running 348 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 4: the game at the major league level and all the 349 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 4: way down, who don't really know the game and feel 350 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 4: like the biomechanics of the game are you should be 351 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 4: changed because you know that's the way to have success. 352 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 6: Well, guess what, there's. 353 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 4: A billion dollars of people on the IL right now 354 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 4: because of it. The body cannot biomechanically take the sort 355 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 4: of pressure that is created by the velocities and the 356 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 4: spin rates and the way you're twisting your joints and 357 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 4: your soft tissues in your ooints to be able to 358 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 4: withstand any of this. 359 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 6: And this is the result. 360 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 4: And so we allowed people who don't really understand the 361 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 4: game take over the game, and this is. 362 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 6: What you're gonna get. 363 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: And so it's so disappointing because you want the because 364 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 4: the athletes in this day and age are better than 365 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: they ever were. 366 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 6: I mean, it's ridiculous from a decade ago till now. 367 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 7: These guys are big and strong and fast and unbelievable, 368 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 7: but they're not taught to play the game the right 369 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 7: way because what's become more important is, you know, biomechanics 370 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 7: and that kind of stuff, and not the game of 371 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 7: baseball still a game of baseball that is unique to 372 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 7: any other sport. And so maybe the cricket as close 373 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 7: as you can get, and that's pretty damn popular too, 374 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 7: but that that's a real problem because you want. 375 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 4: To have the best athletes on the field that fans deserve, 376 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 4: that you deserve it. And I think this has really 377 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 4: created a situation where now when you go to a 378 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 4: baseball game, you're not going to see Garrett Cole, You're 379 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 4: not gonna see Spencer Strider, You're not gonna see Uri Perez, 380 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 4: You're not going to see Bieber. And it's disappointing now 381 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 4: for the Phillies on for their part, when you start 382 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 4: looking at what you know, guys like Aaron Nola, who's 383 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 4: as durable as hell, and Zach Wheeler, who is now 384 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 4: learned over the last several years how to pitch without 385 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 4: his great velocity, to move the ball, to cut the ball, 386 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 4: to keep the ball off the. 387 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 6: Barrel, to pitch. 388 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 5: I love it. 389 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 4: And the same thing with a guy like even Christopher Sanchez, 390 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: same thing. I mean, they didn't have a great out 391 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 4: in his last outing, kept the team in the game, 392 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 4: but he was one of the most consistent guys because 393 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: he's learned how to pitch and throw strikes. 394 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: Wheeler still brings it. He's just kind of easy velocity, 395 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 3: beautiful Anne's easy velocity and everything looks to He's got 396 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 3: a big, tall frame, big strong man. It fits his frame. 397 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 3: He's not a grunter and a groaner. 398 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 4: No, there's so much maximum effort now in a lot 399 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 4: of the pitchers that that maximum effort is causing real problems. 400 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: I don't know if it ever goes back, because I 401 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: asked Rob Thompson that I said, it's never going to 402 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: change though, right because I don't know how you go 403 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 2: from wanting a bullpen that averages ninety six miles an 404 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: hour on your fastball, which is what you should want. 405 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: I guess because you're going to get a ton of 406 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: guys out. Is it ever going to cycle back to 407 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: that pitch ability? And he says he thinks everything goes 408 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: in cycles. I guess I just have trouble seeing a 409 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: time where twenty years from now, we're going remember back 410 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four when everybody was throwing ninety six 411 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: miles an hour and Baseball just decided, hey, we don't 412 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 2: want that. I mean, maybe it does cycle back, but 413 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: you know, right now, for sure, it's just it's all 414 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: it's all velo all the time. 415 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 4: I've heard some interesting things over the last couple of 416 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 4: weeks that the pitchers now are realizing that they're getting hurt, 417 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 4: and I think that's going to it's going to make 418 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 4: the players have to decide, you know what, what's best 419 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 4: for me, what's best for my career? And the valuate 420 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 4: The people who are evaluating are also going to have 421 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 4: to understand the game a little bit better and say, Okay, 422 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 4: what's best for our organizations. Should we have the picture 423 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 4: throw as hard as you possibly can blow out or 424 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 4: should we have him hang around for a while and 425 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 4: build him up properly the way you do with long 426 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 4: toss and leg work and all that other kind of stuff. 427 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 4: And I think the players are starting to realize that 428 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 4: the Tampa Bay Rays, while they have done a great 429 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 4: job of maximizing players, they're taking a play who has 430 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 4: a certain pitch, split, scutter, slider, whatever they're and they're 431 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 4: throwing it seventy percent of the time and they're breaking. 432 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 4: They're going on the il and they're bringing up the 433 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 4: next guy to do it. That's kind of and the 434 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 4: next guy is gonna throw a hundred and to cut 435 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 4: that fastball or to spin it or to do whatever 436 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 4: at you know, three thousand RPMs. And I think the 437 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 4: players are going to have to realize for themselves, say 438 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 4: this is breaking me, It's gould ruin my career, and 439 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 4: they have to I think they're going to have to 440 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 4: take a stand in some way, shape or form, And 441 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 4: I think it's one of the reasons why you saw 442 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 4: them sort of, you know, stick their chests out and 443 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 4: talk about the pitch clock. 444 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 6: That for me, is not it's not the reason. It's 445 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 6: not the pitch clock. I don't care what you say. 446 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: It's the combination of having to get on the mound 447 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 4: more quickly and then still trying to throw a maximum 448 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 4: effort pitch. 449 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 6: That's the problem. And and so you know, we're gonna 450 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 6: have to do a lot better job. 451 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 4: Of developing guys who have stamina and pitch ability. And 452 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 4: we don't do that, then you're this is going to 453 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 4: be the result, and it's going to continue to get 454 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 4: exponentially worse. 455 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's a topic that's I forgot about 456 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: Garrett Cole as you mentioned Bieber, and it's a topic 457 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 3: that is it's not going away, and it's uh, it's 458 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 3: just bad for baseball and it's sad for baseball. I 459 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 3: just wanted to shift back to something in front of 460 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 3: we're experiencing right now. What are you guys thinking of 461 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 3: Johann Rojas, what are you seeing You're seeing progress? And 462 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 3: how long of a leash. You know, does he have 463 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: or will the team give him before they I'm sure 464 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 3: they're talking about which way to go, But how long 465 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: does this thing last without getting better? 466 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: Well, I when the season started, I thought, you got 467 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 2: to give him at least a month. 468 00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: I thought, you have to give him. 469 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: It's a month worth of at bats, just so he doesn't, 470 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: you know, and get settled in. 471 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: The bats have not been great. 472 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: You now they will point out that he is chasing 473 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: less compared to last season, and he is chasing less again, 474 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: super small sample size. 475 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: His chase rate is down. Is that good? 476 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: Yes in theory, But he's also swinging at fewer pitches 477 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 2: in the zone. So I feel like there's been some 478 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: times where he will chase and then in the next 479 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: step bat. I specifically remember this is a spring training game, 480 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: but there was a game in Tampa against the Yankees 481 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 2: where he's swinging at three pitches out of the zone. 482 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: The next step bat, very next at bat, all three 483 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: pitches were in the zone. 484 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: Take take, take strikeout, see you later. Back to the dugout. 485 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: So I wonder if he's he's I'm sure he's just 486 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 2: pressing and thinking too much, and I don't know how 487 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: long they go with him. But you know a lot 488 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: of those, you know, he's swinging at the first pitch less, 489 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: you know, like I said, swing swings, Uh, swinging pitches 490 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 2: in the zone is down as well. So he's just 491 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: I feel like maybe he's too tentative out there, and 492 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what you do to kind of get 493 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: him get him going. 494 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: But I think he needs more time in my opinion. 495 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: But you guys might you guys might disagree on that, 496 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 2: might think that you know this is going a bad 497 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 2: way fast, and you don't want to kill the guy's confidence. 498 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 4: Hey Tom uh Todd, you're what would you say to 499 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 4: that biggest spot on? 500 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 6: I see, I know that these it. 501 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 4: We all know how difficult it is to hit already, 502 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 4: But when you start thinking while you're hitting instead of 503 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 4: just reacting as as Jim has talked about and being 504 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 4: able to instinctively make the right decisions to swing, you're 505 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 4: in trouble. And I see a tentativeness now because he 506 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 4: is trying to, you know, stay in the zone with 507 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 4: his swing where he's taking pitches he should be whacking. 508 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 4: And I also see a less aggressive overall swing out 509 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 4: of him. 510 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 6: I mean he's he's he's he. 511 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 5: Swings hard, always sort of. 512 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 4: Has, and I don't see him having that swagger of 513 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 4: confidence to do that now. 514 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 6: In the clubhouse. 515 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 4: He's been great, great kid. He doesn't seem to be wavering. 516 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 4: But when you get between the lines and then I've 517 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 4: lived it. I've lived it when I've stood in the box. 518 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 4: And that was the one thing I did well as 519 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 4: a minor leaguer was hit, could hit a lot. 520 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 6: Check the numbers. 521 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 4: Well I got to the big leagues, man, I didn't 522 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 4: have a whole lot of confidence. And I and my 523 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 4: decisions and my you know, and the pitches I was 524 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 4: swinging at, not strikes. I mean when I when you're 525 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 4: when you're struggling and thinking about things mentally, it makes 526 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 4: it so much more difficult to hit when you're in 527 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 4: the major leagues and you are in the spotlight. 528 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 6: I don't, I don't. I just don't want the kid 529 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 6: to get buried. 530 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 4: And it may and I went through this myself, and 531 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 4: it may just take him to go down for like 532 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 4: three weeks to gain get his mojo back, get his 533 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 4: get his act together again, and remember who he is 534 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 4: to come. 535 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 6: Back and help out this ball club. 536 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 4: I don't know what the timeline is, but if I 537 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 4: see another week or ten days of this sort of 538 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 4: sane approach, I might think about sending him out. 539 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: What about you, Jim. 540 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you both use this word, and it 541 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: scares me. Tentative an athlete can't be tentative. I mean, 542 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 3: you know, if you're tentative on the fall line, you're 543 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: not gonna finish and it's not gonna go in the hole, 544 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, if you're tentative in football, you're 545 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 3: gonna get your head knocked off. If you're if you're 546 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 3: tentative in baseball, you're not gonna You're just thinking too much. 547 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: You're not gonna You're not gonna be on time. You're 548 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: not gonna be on time for any pitches. So if 549 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 3: you're both seeing that, that really that really worries me. 550 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: You know. 551 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 3: I think though we focused a lot on their off 552 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: to a slow start, there's still four and five as 553 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 3: we sit here going into the what fourth series of 554 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 3: the year. It would be a lot worse if they 555 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 3: were like, you know, one and eight or or two 556 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 3: and six or something, so you know the team is 557 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: treading water. I guess you'd say around five hundred. 558 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 6: It. 559 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 3: It doesn't feel as glaring as it could be. It 560 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 3: would certainly help if they were producing one through eight 561 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: in the lineup, and they're not. But you know, their 562 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: organization has a responsibility for this kid physically and mentally, 563 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: and we all know the the mind leads the body 564 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 3: in a lot of cases and athletics, and if if 565 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 3: it's best to get him a you know, to take 566 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: to exhale and go to triple A. But is it 567 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: going to be that much better in triple A? I mean, 568 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: there are a lot of veteran guys down there that 569 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: know how to spin the ball, you know, not as 570 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: sharp as up here, or they'd be here. But it's 571 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: a really difficult decision. But I think the leash has 572 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 3: to be maybe a little bit longer. You asked them 573 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 3: to make adjustments. It's hard to make adjustments in real time, 574 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: and it gave the speed in the big leagues. It's 575 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: a really tough dilemma, one that I'm sure that they're 576 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: talking about right Rubin. They're talking about this every day 577 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 3: based on the four at bats they see that night, these. 578 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 4: Four they're certainly talking about it internally. I will say 579 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 4: one thing about is it different in triple A. Yes, 580 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 4: I will tell you what's different about a triple A. 581 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 4: You're not in the middle of the spotlight. 582 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 5: Man. 583 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 6: Triple A is like being in a different world. 584 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 4: I will tell you that when I went down, it 585 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 4: was almost like when they sent me back down. 586 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 6: I was hitting a buck ninety or whatever it was, 587 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 6: I was hitting. 588 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 4: It literally released the albat tross off of me, and 589 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 4: I said, I'm going to go back to just playing 590 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 4: baseball and being myself. And then, fortunately for me and 591 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 4: I got advice from John Kruck about this, it was great. 592 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 6: When I was in the big leagues, you just got 593 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 6: to be yourself. 594 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: Right when I came back, I was way more myself 595 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 4: at the end of that season that was ninety two. 596 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: I think it was I just felt like so differently 597 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 4: about my approach and my confidence, and I just said, 598 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 4: you know what, screw it, I'm going to be myself 599 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 4: and be my and play my game and that'll be fine. 600 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 4: And it got better. I Mean, I don't know what 601 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 4: all the numbers look like, but I guarantee you by 602 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 4: the time I came back, I didn't finish. 603 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 8: With a great you know, like two twenty that year, 604 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 8: but I went from one ninety to one hundred to 605 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 8: twenty or whatever whatever the number was. And it's just 606 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 8: a different mindset and different feel and at sometimes that's 607 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 8: what you need. 608 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: When you mentioned one ninety, how aware were you of 609 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: your batting average every time you stepped into the batter's box? 610 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: Because I know players love to say I don't really 611 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: look at the scoreboard. I don't really don't pay attention, 612 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: but I know that that isn't that. 613 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 5: Is a lot. 614 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 4: That is a flat out lie. So you're on single 615 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 4: person on the planet. I mean, this is a game 616 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 4: of numbers. You can be sure that every single person 617 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 4: are in your head. You don't want to say you're 618 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 4: calculating your numbers as you're as you're running down the line. 619 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 4: I mean that's life, man, And that's what I'm judged 620 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 4: on your numbers. 621 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: And that's what Johann Rojas's looking up there tonight. 622 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 4: Unless you fifty, yeah, unless you're like, unless you're in 623 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 4: the you know, big leagues for ten years. 624 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 7: And even if even those guys, I mean, think about 625 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 7: Trey Turner last year. 626 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 3: Tree Turner, you don't. 627 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 4: Think he was looking up there going You don't think 628 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 4: kyleege Schwarber is going. 629 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 6: I was in that under two hundred. 630 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 4: I know I'm hitting home runs and I'm doing other damage. 631 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 4: But you know, these are human beings man, baseball players. 632 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 4: Everybody knows their numbers. Everybody knows their numbers almost to 633 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 4: the te Sure doesn't. 634 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 9: Matter now now that now that I know their numbers 635 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 9: broken down, seven hundred thousand ways w r C plus 636 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 9: my man, please, that will be the next episode. 637 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: We'll get into some ex wOBA. Let's let's know will 638 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: not Let's let's wrap this up. 639 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: Cardinals Phillies beginning tonight, Spencer Turnbull versus Miles Michaelis, Zach Wheeler. 640 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: Sonny Gray is going to make his debut on Tuesday. 641 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: That's why Rob started, Rob Thompson started, Whitmerfield and. 642 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: Hasha and you know, am I blanking on the other guy? 643 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: And Mundo us had a big game. 644 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: They started started him on Sunday because they're not going 645 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: to face the lefty for a while, so they wanted 646 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: to get them in there. And then Nola versus Lanceln 647 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 2: on Wednesdays so Phillies can get back up to five 648 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: hundred if they they win this series. 649 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. Just win series. 650 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: Man, just they win. They went too out of three 651 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: every series. 652 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: The rest of the way, they're gonna have one of 653 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: the best seasons in baseball history. 654 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 6: The World Series, exactly right. I mean, I know it's 655 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 6: a slow start. 656 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 5: I'm a little you know, their offense has been weak. 657 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 6: It's been not good. 658 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 4: They're supposed to be a better offensive team. They gotta 659 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 4: get Castillanos going, They gotta get Turner going. Those guys, 660 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I know we're talking about Rojas, but those 661 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 4: two guys, man, you gotta go get rolling. 662 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get them rolling. Now. Some the focus 663 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 3: a little bit is off Rojas, and I mean that 664 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 3: was sort of the template from the beginning. They thought 665 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: they were strong enough one through weight where they could 666 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 3: carry him. If you're not going to be strong one 667 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 3: through eight, his shortcomings are going to be magnified. 668 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 4: They will at some point. It's just a matter of 669 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 4: when I see some good signs. 670 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 3: I was surprised that turn of strikeouts the last two 671 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 3: years much higher than we. 672 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 6: He's a swinger, He's an aggressive swinger. 673 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 4: So he's also been a sort of a victim of 674 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 4: some some umpire. 675 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 6: That's been a little. 676 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 3: They really, I mean, when he won his batting title. 677 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 3: He was striking out like fifteen percent of the time. 678 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 3: And now just I know, small sample sizes, it's like 679 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 3: thirty this year, a very small sample size, but I mean, he, 680 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 3: you know, so much more dangerous to putting in imply. 681 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and interestingly, I mean he should be 682 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 4: He's should be getting pitches of hit. He's hitting in 683 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 4: front of Harper, you know, should be getting pitches to 684 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 4: hit and doing some damage. 685 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 6: And it's really more about. 686 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 4: The pitches that he's not hitting, you know, missing the 687 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 4: ones that are in the zone, than it is swinging 688 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 4: the ones out of the zone. 689 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 6: I've seen a lot of takes for strike threes. 690 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,959 Speaker 4: From both Turner and Cassianos because you know, maybe they're 691 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 4: up there just maybe thinking a little bit too much. 692 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: Right now, Well, guys, Jim go get your eclipse glasses. 693 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: If not, do not, do not look at the sun. 694 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: Do not look at the sun. 695 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: Hopefully we will see you and you'll see us when 696 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: we do our next show later this week. Thanks guys, 697 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 2: and thanks for listening and watching the Philly show. 698 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 6: The Todd Pot