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Speaker 1: Were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Monday, September twenty eight, twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: season sixteen, episode number thirty two. Welcome to the latest
Speaker 1: edition of The Break. I'm Derek Eagleton. I'm live from
Speaker 1: the s WBC Mortgage Studio. It's got Nick in here
Speaker 1: with me. We've got Amber and Day from their homes
Speaker 1: and we're gonna tell you all about this Cowboys game
Speaker 1: and why they lost. On Sunday. The Cowboys lose to
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks thirty eight thirty one. And as we
Speaker 1: do every Monday following a game, we're gonna start first
Speaker 1: with letting these guys tell you what they think the
Speaker 1: big picture of this game is coming out of that game. Nick,
Speaker 1: you were at the stadium yesterday. We'll start with you
Speaker 1: tell me what you thought was a big picture story
Speaker 1: out of this game. Well, I mean they they didn't.
Speaker 1: They couldn't match Russell Wilson. You know, they couldn't match him.
Speaker 1: He was, you know, as magical as as advertised. And
Speaker 1: and you know, the Cowboys they hung in there with
Speaker 1: passing yards, but as I wrote, I just don't think
Speaker 1: they were balanced. They couldn't run, they couldn't do what
Speaker 1: they needed to do to score more in the red zone.
Speaker 1: So I just thought that, you know, I thought the
Speaker 1: yards were a little bit hollow because they didn't they
Speaker 1: couldn't score enough. And you know, I thought it was
Speaker 1: just a really good you know, I thought it was
Speaker 1: a really good performance by Dak vested by a great
Speaker 1: performance by Russell. All right, Amber Well, offensively, there are
Speaker 1: things that obviously need to be improved, but right now
Speaker 1: I feel like there's still hope there with some of
Speaker 1: the things that the Cowboys have shown us. Now on
Speaker 1: the defense side of the ball is where I'm very,
Speaker 1: very concerned right now. I just don't know if how
Speaker 1: much the Cowboys can actually do to turn things around.
Speaker 1: With the players and the people that they currently have
Speaker 1: on the team. They're desperately in need of some players
Speaker 1: that can help in the secondary. I keep hearing some
Speaker 1: players talk about the lack of communication and the fact
Speaker 1: that they haven't been able to completely be in sync,
Speaker 1: and honestly, and I understand that it doesn't help that
Speaker 1: you didn't have a preseason and you got new guys
Speaker 1: coming in, new coaching staff and all that, But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I just don't understand and what all
Speaker 1: is so complicated that they're currently doing that. It's just
Speaker 1: you're not able to get guys in sync. It seems
Speaker 1: like they're not doing anything so overly complicated in order
Speaker 1: for them not to be able to get it right
Speaker 1: and quit making the mistakes that they're currently make it.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I just think
Speaker 1: it's just the lack of talent there and the lack
Speaker 1: of experience. But I'm very, very highly concerned about the defense.
Speaker 1: Dave big picture story. You know what's really funny, Like
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this since the game ended, is like,
Speaker 1: on the macro level, nothing about this game should be
Speaker 1: overly surprising. Like it played out really similarly to how
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought it would offensive shootout a
Speaker 1: billion yards, Dad plays good, Russell Wilson plays better. Seahawks
Speaker 1: win by a touchdown, or less like that is very
Speaker 1: normal and should be expected. But the way the Cowboys
Speaker 1: found ways to hurt themselves elves is just beyond belief. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: like like I said, like you kind of you're not
Speaker 1: surprised the Cowboys lose by seven on the road against
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. You are surprised that the kick returner feels
Speaker 1: a kick that somehow winds up on the one yard
Speaker 1: line that turns into a safety. The Pro Bowl kicker
Speaker 1: misses two extra points or has one block either way
Speaker 1: two huge points that come off the board. You are
Speaker 1: surprised that the first play when the Cowboys get the
Speaker 1: ball back, turns into a strip sack like right off
Speaker 1: the bat, completely derailing everything. Like some of the mind
Speaker 1: boggling details that led to this result are just that,
Speaker 1: like their mind boggling their things are. And I'll even
Speaker 1: mentioned the fact that Tyler Lockett has three first half touchdowns,
Speaker 1: where you know you expect him to catch touchdowns, you
Speaker 1: don't expect him to literally be all by himself because
Speaker 1: the defense can't keep track of one of the best
Speaker 1: receivers in the NFC. So the result shouldn't be surprising.
Speaker 1: But some of the lapses that led to that result
Speaker 1: are absolutely inexcusable for a pro football team, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what makes it frustrating. It's not so much
Speaker 1: that they lost, but they just played so poorly at times,
Speaker 1: even in the middle of a thrilling game. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's I think we all probably came away with that.
Speaker 1: There were lots of head scratching moments in that game
Speaker 1: where you thought the Cowboys were either on a roll
Speaker 1: or you thought they were in a good position, and
Speaker 1: then they would just completely just derail themselves with something
Speaker 1: that was totally avoidable. All right, So here's we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into our segment where we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the moments that mattered. I have some some moments
Speaker 1: from the game that I'm gonna lay out for you guys,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about those moments. But I also
Speaker 1: want to talk about those moments from the standpoint of
Speaker 1: just the overall play of particular players and particular positions
Speaker 1: throughout this game. Let's start first with the play. The
Speaker 1: half of it was first and ten on the Dallas
Speaker 1: forty three, about six forty five left in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Seattle has the ball, Russell, Wilson backs up, there was
Speaker 1: forty three yard touchdown pass to Tyler Lockett. It looked
Speaker 1: on that play we were watching from televi vision, Nick,
Speaker 1: you were from that you were watching from the stadium,
Speaker 1: But it looked like on that play the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: in three deep coverage where you would have had the
Speaker 1: two safeties that would have been covering the middle and
Speaker 1: the far left from from Russell's vantage point, the far
Speaker 1: left third of the field, and then you would have
Speaker 1: had Digs on the right third of the field. And
Speaker 1: it looked like Dick's backed out as though he were
Speaker 1: covering his own looked like the other two safeties completely
Speaker 1: just didn't see Tyler Lockett running up the field and
Speaker 1: getting behind them, in which case that's the whole point
Speaker 1: of cover three, right, you don't let anybody get behind you.
Speaker 1: That all being said, what did you guys see on
Speaker 1: that play? And then as a bigger picture question, what
Speaker 1: did you see from the safety throughout that game? And
Speaker 1: we'll start thing with amber Well again, like I like
Speaker 1: I mentioned early, it seems like to me, and not
Speaker 1: just the play that specific play the play, but many
Speaker 1: other plays throughout the games where they just seemed completely lost,
Speaker 1: like they it was like you were playing a preseason
Speaker 1: game that you haven't been playing in a long time,
Speaker 1: and you're kind of lost and kind of getting back
Speaker 1: into football. There was just a lot of things that
Speaker 1: is to me, I would assume basic things when it
Speaker 1: comes to coverage and football, basic football awareness, and they
Speaker 1: weren't able to execute it and play the way that
Speaker 1: they should play. And I don't I really don't know
Speaker 1: what the solution specifically is. It seems like it's more
Speaker 1: again just going back to basics and doing the things
Speaker 1: that you should be able to do as a safety.
Speaker 1: And again, it just plays into the whole fact that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys haven't helped themselves in safety with the they
Speaker 1: should have a veteran guy. And I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: this question, why was it that the Cowboys felt the
Speaker 1: need that they should have gotten read of Haha, Clinton Dicks.
Speaker 1: Do you guys not think that they would be using
Speaker 1: him right now and that he would actually be helped
Speaker 1: and the team the team, That's a great question, honestly,
Speaker 1: and I think, I mean the answer to the question
Speaker 1: is that they weren't seeing the level of play out
Speaker 1: of him that justified the salaries, so they decided, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll eat the cost to get rid of him and
Speaker 1: save a little bit of money, and we feel just
Speaker 1: as good about the guys that we already have. Now.
Speaker 1: It is like, this is one of those occasions where
Speaker 1: any question you have about the safety position, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent fair. It's fair to wonder if
Speaker 1: maybe Haha should still be here. It's fair to wonder
Speaker 1: why they haven't gone out and tried to do more.
Speaker 1: Like when this stuff happens, I think everything's on the table.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with anybody questioning anything. You know.
Speaker 1: Line one of playing safety is don't let him get
Speaker 1: behind you. We saw it I think once last year.
Speaker 1: I mean one that I can really remember, the Jets game.
Speaker 1: We're seeing it way too many times here in the
Speaker 1: first three games of the season, so it's it's not
Speaker 1: been good enough. And I agree, I think all questions
Speaker 1: should be asked. And it's not This isn't a new thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is it's been around. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: it is a head coaching thing, you know specifically, but
Speaker 1: they haven't put a priority at the safety position for
Speaker 1: a long time, and it showed yesterday, do you guys think,
Speaker 1: and I amber you alluded to it, do you think
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys should be looking at other options? Now?
Speaker 1: I will say this. I know we've talked about Thomas,
Speaker 1: but there's also Eric Reed out there, who is a
Speaker 1: really good safety that's sitting out there in free agency. Now,
Speaker 1: they are going to be issues, obviously, from the standpoint
Speaker 1: you would think about how some people. Yeah, you would
Speaker 1: think that that the great should apply here, especially if
Speaker 1: the guy can play, which he can. I mean he
Speaker 1: has been on teams. He's on the team last year
Speaker 1: and played really well. So there are some good safeties.
Speaker 1: There are not a lot of positions where you can
Speaker 1: say that safety is a position where you can say
Speaker 1: there are some good guys that are out there available
Speaker 1: to you in free agency. You would think, and I'm
Speaker 1: asking you, guys the questions, the Cowboys should be interested
Speaker 1: at this point? Yeah, I do it today, give me
Speaker 1: seventy two hours getting there. You need him by next Again,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't think they want to
Speaker 1: see Odell Beckham doing his little dance in the side
Speaker 1: at the end zone, you know, several times in this game.
Speaker 1: Because if those guys can run by him. The Browns
Speaker 1: got guys too. This is why we said what we
Speaker 1: said at the start of the season, which is that's
Speaker 1: awesome that that you want to go forward with this,
Speaker 1: and I hope it works out well for you. But
Speaker 1: you'd be crazy to close the door on their earl
Speaker 1: Thomas talk had, you know, after one week, because these
Speaker 1: guys have to prove that they're capable of quieting that talk,
Speaker 1: and they haven't done it. And that's I was going
Speaker 1: to say when you ask the original question, is I
Speaker 1: love as somebody who is paid to comment on pro football,
Speaker 1: I love when they make it easy for me because
Speaker 1: you know, if if the coverage is amazing and Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson throws an absolute dime, who am I to criticize?
Speaker 1: You know, like that's hard. It's hard to play dB
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But this is the second straight week
Speaker 1: where a receiver has basically just stood on the field
Speaker 1: with nobody around him for yards and yards and waited
Speaker 1: for it like Tyler Lockett looked like he was catching
Speaker 1: it from a jugsmachine. And that's just not like it
Speaker 1: is not okay, it's not defensible. You can't justify it,
Speaker 1: and it happened three times in the first half of
Speaker 1: this game. Hayden Hurst did it in week two. It's
Speaker 1: really really bad, and I absolutely think they should be
Speaker 1: turning over every stone, whether it's Earl Thomas, whether it's
Speaker 1: Tony Jefferson, whether it's Eric Reid, even if it's somebody
Speaker 1: whose name I'm not as familiar with what they're putting
Speaker 1: out there right now. As a liability, there's no way
Speaker 1: around it. I assume you agree, Amber, but what do
Speaker 1: you think about going out and get another safety. I
Speaker 1: just don't see how the Cowboys could absolutely even say
Speaker 1: that they're okay with moving forward with what they currently have.
Speaker 1: After three games, there's nothing that is promising. I have
Speaker 1: not seen anything that even sparks doubting me or hoping
Speaker 1: me that I would, Oh well, they just need a
Speaker 1: little time to get better. There hasn't been, and they
Speaker 1: need to change it up. And especially if your offense
Speaker 1: continues to make the little errors that I still think
Speaker 1: that they could be cleaned up. You need to be
Speaker 1: able to get help from your defense, and the defensive
Speaker 1: line is not necessarily fully doing their part either, and
Speaker 1: the linebackers that's another question mark there. So you need
Speaker 1: to absolutely go and grab whoever you can and hope
Speaker 1: that you don't get you don't keep getting injured on
Speaker 1: your secondary. I mean, when you think about the problem
Speaker 1: areas of this team offensive tackle, well, there's a big
Speaker 1: reason for that linebacker, reasons for that cornerback, reasons for
Speaker 1: that safety. That's your starters. That's where you rolled out
Speaker 1: there with. That's the biggest problem for me is that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can give them somewhat of a pass.
Speaker 1: I know nobody cares about excuses, but we know why
Speaker 1: the tackles are bad here, and I mean we know
Speaker 1: why there's it's there. But at safety, you cut a
Speaker 1: veteran and you said I'm gonna go with Woods and
Speaker 1: Darian Thompson and it hasn't worked out. Yep. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's move to the next moment that mattered.
Speaker 1: This was the ensuing kickoff after the locket touchdown. You
Speaker 1: got Pollard back there. Um, he must the catch and
Speaker 1: then recovers it on the Dallas one very next play,
Speaker 1: Zeke can't get out of the end zone and it
Speaker 1: leads to a safety. Dallas is now down nine to zero.
Speaker 1: Let's first talk about three three, that being said, let's
Speaker 1: now talk a little bit about Tony Pollard. Now, I
Speaker 1: think we've mentioned on the show that that, you know,
Speaker 1: last week, he's running you know, he's five six yards
Speaker 1: deep in the end zone. He's running it out, and
Speaker 1: it just seemed to me like, um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's his decision, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's the special team's coach decision. I don't know
Speaker 1: whose decision it was, but it seemed like it was
Speaker 1: somewhat ill advised. And in this instance, I was almost
Speaker 1: at the point where I was ready to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: if it's in the end zone, tone, don't touch it,
Speaker 1: just get away from it, let it hit the ground,
Speaker 1: and let's start at the twenty five. You guys think
Speaker 1: that's probably a better tack for a tactical decision for
Speaker 1: this team, especially in a situation where you got an
Speaker 1: offense that's as capable as this offense seems to be. Neck. Yes,
Speaker 1: And because it's not just about Tony Poller, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's also it's the officiating, and it's the guys that
Speaker 1: you have blocking. They will call blocking the back it
Speaker 1: seems like fifty percent of the time, So he's certainly
Speaker 1: not going to get past the thirty or forty fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the time. So the percentages are that you're
Speaker 1: going to be you have a better chance if you
Speaker 1: take it out, you have a better chance of starting
Speaker 1: inside your fifteen yard line. That's not good, So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have The weird thing is is that I was watching,
Speaker 1: for some reason, watching the Seahawks field kickoffs at that
Speaker 1: same spot kickoffs and punts they dropped like three, So
Speaker 1: I was thinking pre game, Yeah, the exact same spot,
Speaker 1: and of course it was the Cowboys. That was it
Speaker 1: where the sun was coming out? What was Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it was right there, but I don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: the sun changes in that place the whole game, so
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that was That was definitely
Speaker 1: a bad move. And then he acted like he had
Speaker 1: never seen a fumble before, and it was just weird.
Speaker 1: He couldn't quite figure out how he wanted to fall
Speaker 1: on it. Dave, what do you think of that play?
Speaker 1: All of I mean, look, nobody has driven the Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard hype train harder than me, but it's it's been
Speaker 1: a rough two weeks. I mean, there's no way around that.
Speaker 1: And Nick's absolutely right. Like the NFL is begging teams
Speaker 1: to just let it be a touchback, like they don't
Speaker 1: want the violent collisions in kickoffs. The play is basically
Speaker 1: obsolete anyway. You get the ball in the twenty five,
Speaker 1: Like seventy five yards is not a long field by
Speaker 1: NFL standards, Dak the offense had three scoring drives of
Speaker 1: like eighty nine yards or longer yesterday, So I'll gladly
Speaker 1: take seventy five. If the ball crosses the goal one
Speaker 1: yard deep, the odds of you taking it out being
Speaker 1: better than just starting on the twenty five are slim
Speaker 1: to none. And that's by design. Like the NFL doesn't
Speaker 1: want these plays because they're dangerous, so just play along
Speaker 1: because it's disastrous what they're trying to do, Like it's
Speaker 1: so bad, it's so it's so bad you can't you
Speaker 1: can't afford that risk anymore. After what we've seen Amber,
Speaker 1: would you do anything different there with the kickoff returns?
Speaker 1: Would you do something different with the kickoff returns at
Speaker 1: this point? At this point, I don't feel great about
Speaker 1: special teams and what they're doing, so and this sucks.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, hey, let's be a little
Speaker 1: more conservative. But when it comes to special teams, I
Speaker 1: think you or me personally, I would be a little
Speaker 1: more conservative and try to not risk it as much
Speaker 1: or try to be as aggressive with certain place and
Speaker 1: just do what you need to do and don't don't
Speaker 1: allow room for mistakes because right now, they have not
Speaker 1: been having a great season. And in my opinion, though,
Speaker 1: they got a safety because of the offense, not because
Speaker 1: of Tony Pollard. I mean, yeah, they didn't help that.
Speaker 1: You're on the one, but you don't have to get
Speaker 1: a safety. You don't have to call a play that's
Speaker 1: a that's a slow moving, slow developing off tackle run
Speaker 1: behind Brandon Knight and Connor Williams, who they got pushed
Speaker 1: around a lot in this game. Looney got pushed in
Speaker 1: that that was I think Looney getting pushed back as
Speaker 1: far as he did really is what killed that play,
Speaker 1: right in my opinion. Right, But I mean, do you
Speaker 1: want to go northwest or do you just want to
Speaker 1: go north and just try to I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: understand why why quarterback sneaks have to be at the
Speaker 1: one yard line. On the other I mean, why can't
Speaker 1: you just get a few yards to get yourself some
Speaker 1: breathing room a little bit. So I thought that was
Speaker 1: a very poor decision to make that call. And then
Speaker 1: you know, I still haven't seen a great replay of that,
Speaker 1: but I mean, look like he didn't get out. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it to me, it was clear that he didn't get out.
Speaker 1: But like I said, I think Looney was your biggest
Speaker 1: culprit there. Now that that you can make a lot,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of guys there. You could probably
Speaker 1: give some some of that culpability to other than Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: Zach Martin had his guy about two or three yards
Speaker 1: down field. And right now, I'm sure Zach Martin is
Speaker 1: just probably in a situation where he just feels like
Speaker 1: I can't win right now because his linemates just aren't.
Speaker 1: They aren't pulling their weight. All right, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our first break. When we come back, I do want
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about special teams, uh and
Speaker 1: particularly Greg's earline. We're gonna talk about his day yesterday,
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Speaker 1: the moments that mattered in this game. We're going to
Speaker 1: move to the next moment. It was one forty four
Speaker 1: left in the first quarter, Zeke scores on a one
Speaker 1: yard touchdown run. Greg Zerline runs out, he attempts the
Speaker 1: point after touchdown and hits the upright and he also
Speaker 1: had a block pat that happened to possessions later. This
Speaker 1: special teams and Amber you Mitch mentioned it has had
Speaker 1: a number of miscus through the first three games of
Speaker 1: the season. They've also had some really high highs. How
Speaker 1: concerned are you at this point? And last year again
Speaker 1: there was some real problems with the special teams? How
Speaker 1: concerned do you at this point about the Cowboys special teams?
Speaker 1: They're gonna start first with you, Dave Um. I don't
Speaker 1: know if if like ten is a five alarm fire,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm I'm probably at like I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't feel that worry about it because I feel like
Speaker 1: some of this is correctable. The second pat was a
Speaker 1: was a blocking breakdown more so than an outright miss.
Speaker 1: Zerline did hit his field, you know, he hit two
Speaker 1: big field goals earlier in the game and the Pollard play.
Speaker 1: You would like to assume that you can avoid that happening. Ever, again,
Speaker 1: I mean, that just shouldn't happen, So I'm not freaking
Speaker 1: out about it. But honestly, at the risk of sounding
Speaker 1: like I'm letting the defense off the hook, like I
Speaker 1: might be the most disappointed in the special teams because
Speaker 1: you knew going in the secondary was in trouble. They're injured,
Speaker 1: they're going against Russ and these receivers. You figured they
Speaker 1: were not going to have a great day at the office. Now,
Speaker 1: the coverage still sucked, but you figured that was probably
Speaker 1: going to happen, Whereas the special teams are supposed to
Speaker 1: be a strength. You leave four points on the field
Speaker 1: because I mean, I get Nick's point about running a
Speaker 1: bad play, but you still would like to think your
Speaker 1: kickoff team doesn't put you on the half yard line,
Speaker 1: like you that's a reasonable expectation that that shouldn't happen.
Speaker 1: So that's two points, two mixed extra points, that's four points.
Speaker 1: Then you're chasing points late in the game because of that,
Speaker 1: and you have to go for two. So it's not
Speaker 1: an aation to say the special team's errors completely swung
Speaker 1: everything about the end of the game. And that's just
Speaker 1: a mass bummer because they were supposed to be so
Speaker 1: good under John Fossil. Like I said, like I have
Speaker 1: some optimism that it's more of an aberration than a trend.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't good. It wasn't good at all. Amble
Speaker 1: your level of concern. I'm with Dave on this one.
Speaker 1: I am pretty concerned. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: think those are things that could be fixed along the season.
Speaker 1: And I still think that Fossil with the experience that
Speaker 1: he has, and I know we talked to great things
Speaker 1: about him prior to well when he first got hired
Speaker 1: by the Cowboys, and I still have hope in him
Speaker 1: and that he's able to make his special teams better.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it just comes down to
Speaker 1: player execution. I think some of those things that they've done,
Speaker 1: the mistakes that they've made, it comes down to the
Speaker 1: players not being too execute well enough on the field.
Speaker 1: But I am I am concerning. I would say I'm
Speaker 1: a little higher than day. I would give it at seven.
Speaker 1: And right now, okay, all right, Nick, I'll concerned you
Speaker 1: about special teams. I'm not really there yet. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean five, I guess I mean just because brood
Speaker 1: team plays, I mean I don't I don't put that
Speaker 1: necessarily on Fossil, you know, making extra points and catching kickoffs.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I m That's what I expect
Speaker 1: the guys to do on Friday nights, you know, to
Speaker 1: do that, and then Saturday nights of course, and then
Speaker 1: Sunday in the NFL. Yeah, that's a given. So I
Speaker 1: think he's got good schemes. I think he's got you know,
Speaker 1: I think they got the players in the right spot.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that it's going to be in
Speaker 1: every week thing. I'm not there yet. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if it keeps happening, that's fine, but it's not there yet.
Speaker 1: The one thing that that really kind of disappointed me
Speaker 1: more than anything else about the special teams. You had
Speaker 1: the one block punt, which obviously that's a problem, but
Speaker 1: then the second that that first one that actually hit
Speaker 1: the upright, if you guys went back and watched it,
Speaker 1: that one looked like it almost got blocked too. There
Speaker 1: was a guy that got in and got his hand up,
Speaker 1: and for a second there I thought it did get
Speaker 1: get blocked. But I mean, they're having some issues along
Speaker 1: that line. And I know on one of those plays,
Speaker 1: I think it was the one where it was actually blocked.
Speaker 1: I mean, Connor Williams just got basically picked up and thrown.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I am really really not seeing
Speaker 1: or I'm I'm not really right now, I'm not really
Speaker 1: thinking that Connor Williams is playing at the level that
Speaker 1: they need him to play and desperately need him to play,
Speaker 1: because they have all the issues that they because they
Speaker 1: have the guys that they have on the outside. I
Speaker 1: actually think right now he's having I don't think you
Speaker 1: could say that the tackles are playing worse than Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: I think he's right there along with him, and you
Speaker 1: might even want to throw Joe Looney in there on
Speaker 1: some plays as well, because they're just not getting the
Speaker 1: job done. Let's move on to that next moment that mattered.
Speaker 1: This one came at about it was second and eleven
Speaker 1: at the Seattle thirty seven Dallas had Dallas and Seattle
Speaker 1: were tied at nine. DK Metcalf catches a sixty two
Speaker 1: yard pass he's headed for the end zone. Trey Von
Speaker 1: Diggs then comes behind him knocks the ball out of
Speaker 1: his hand before he crosses a goal line, causing him
Speaker 1: to touch back. And it leads me to the question
Speaker 1: of how did you assess Trey Vaughn's play during that game,
Speaker 1: because I think there were some up and some down moments.
Speaker 1: And the bigger picture question there is do you think
Speaker 1: that maybe Cowboys and having to put him out there
Speaker 1: and put so much on him this early might risk
Speaker 1: losing this guy because he's having to face some really
Speaker 1: good receivers and he's taking a little bit of a
Speaker 1: beating at times. No, Nick, No, because he's gotten beat
Speaker 1: his whole life. He's gotta beat his whole life. When
Speaker 1: you're a little brother, you get beat the entire you
Speaker 1: get beat your whole life. And he keeps fighting back,
Speaker 1: he keeps coming back. He goes to Alabama. He's an
Speaker 1: All American. He's the second round pick. They knew the
Speaker 1: moment they made him a starting cornerback, there was gonna
Speaker 1: be ups and downs with playing him. He's got talent,
Speaker 1: but he also is a rookie and he's gonna and
Speaker 1: he's and he also thinks he's a better than he is,
Speaker 1: and that's every cornerback in the league thinks that he
Speaker 1: thinks he's better than that, which is gonna make some
Speaker 1: big plays. It's also gonna give up some. But he's
Speaker 1: hate to say this, but I think he's the best
Speaker 1: you have right now. I mean, I don't know why
Speaker 1: you hate to say it's true. Well, well I hate
Speaker 1: to hear it him. Yeah, because that's the rookie. The
Speaker 1: rookie who gives up big plays is the best you have.
Speaker 1: It is, It absolutely is, Dave. You know that it's tough.
Speaker 1: You know, this is another example of like, it sucks
Speaker 1: not being around these guys, not being embedded the way
Speaker 1: we normally are. Like I've I've never met Treyvon Diggs
Speaker 1: in person, but I've just been impressed at his resilience
Speaker 1: from a distance, because it doesn't seem like he came back.
Speaker 1: You know, they picked on him throughout the first half.
Speaker 1: He bounced back by forcing the fumble on metcalf. He
Speaker 1: also had some nice plays and coverage in the second
Speaker 1: half where he looked comfortable and confident. It looks from
Speaker 1: the like he's got a short memory and a lot
Speaker 1: of self confidence. Like, I don't get the impression from
Speaker 1: a distance that he's overly bothered by this. I hope
Speaker 1: that I'm right. I don't know that for sure, because
Speaker 1: I'm probably never going to get a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to him in person all season long, but I've been
Speaker 1: impressed by the way he's been able to respond to this,
Speaker 1: It's not fair the position that he's in. You know,
Speaker 1: the secondary was going to be a problem regardless, but
Speaker 1: the other two guys that are supposed to be starting
Speaker 1: are on injured reserve, which obviously not only are they
Speaker 1: not available, but they won't be available for at least
Speaker 1: two or three more weeks. So I said this yesterday
Speaker 1: on Twitter. It's gonna get worse for treyvon dis before
Speaker 1: it gets better. This is going to keep happening. The
Speaker 1: Browns are going to target him too, and I just
Speaker 1: hope he keeps that attitude because I I like the
Speaker 1: flashes that I'm seeing. The consistent product is not there
Speaker 1: and might not be there all season, but I'm optimistic
Speaker 1: that he's going to internalize it the right way and
Speaker 1: not get too down on himself. Camber. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see what he becomes and the kind of player that
Speaker 1: he turns into. What sucks right now is that he's
Speaker 1: having to carry so much on his back and the
Speaker 1: fact that you don't have much help of veteran guys
Speaker 1: in the secondary. I mean, it puts more weight on
Speaker 1: him and it's I'm just the one thing, the one
Speaker 1: thing that I like seeing is the fact that one
Speaker 1: he works his butt off. You can tell that he
Speaker 1: does not he puts in the work. And the two
Speaker 1: is that, like this guy's mentioned, he doesn't give up.
Speaker 1: And that played that Derek you brought up that you
Speaker 1: were talking about. I mean, the guy was only several
Speaker 1: steps away from the from getting inside the end zone,
Speaker 1: and Dick did not give up. And the fact that
Speaker 1: he wasn't like, man, this guy just got away from me.
Speaker 1: He kept going, went in there with his hand to
Speaker 1: push up get the ball off the guy's hand. So
Speaker 1: those traits, those kind of just fire to fight back.
Speaker 1: It's something that you love to see. And I hope that,
Speaker 1: like they said, I hope that the bat don't don't
Speaker 1: upset the good and that it does and really get
Speaker 1: to him throughout the season. But right now, I think
Speaker 1: he has a lot of potential. All Right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take our final break when we come back. I have
Speaker 1: a couple more moments from the game we have to
Speaker 1: talk about. There was one series of place. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: but that's the thing. There were some moments in this
Speaker 1: game that all happened in the first half and then
Speaker 1: it kind of started going but there was a series
Speaker 1: that happened in the second half that I think that
Speaker 1: we need to talk about. Actually this one and this
Speaker 1: was still in the second quarter, and then we will
Speaker 1: talk about a series that happened in the third quarter.
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Speaker 1: the break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Years. At
Speaker 1: the start, we're breaking down the Cowboys versus Seahawks, and
Speaker 1: I already can see now that we're gonna have some
Speaker 1: stuff from this show that's gonna have to flow over
Speaker 1: the next week because ain't no way we can get
Speaker 1: in all the different things that happened and evaluate all
Speaker 1: the players that we saw on Sunday versus the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: That is every Monday. It seems like that's every Monday.
Speaker 1: But every rundown you have is like seventeen fights long,
Speaker 1: so you know, but you gotta admit, this game had
Speaker 1: so many moments yea and things. I know, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna even get to him. We are gonna jump back
Speaker 1: though to the second quarter. This was about eleven thirty
Speaker 1: one left in the second quarter Seattle. There was a
Speaker 1: series where Seattle had the ball. They start this drive
Speaker 1: at their own twenty nine. They drive to the Dallas
Speaker 1: forty six, and that's when things started going crazy for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. You got third and ten on the Dallas
Speaker 1: forty six and Wilson is sacked by Jordan Lewis, but
Speaker 1: that is negated by an illegal contact penalty on Darryl Worley.
Speaker 1: That situation would have gotten him off the field. Instead,
Speaker 1: it's first and ten. It's second and nine at the
Speaker 1: Dallas twenty three. Later in that drive, Wilson is intercepted
Speaker 1: by Darryl Worley at the Dallas one, but that is
Speaker 1: negated by a pass in afference on Jordan Lewis. So basically,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis and Darryl Worley both took each other's great
Speaker 1: plays away, negated them and uh and put the Seahawks
Speaker 1: in better position. Then Seahawks have the ball first and
Speaker 1: tenth the Dallas fifteen. You get pass an afference on
Speaker 1: Brandon Carr in the end zone while he's covering Greg Olsen.
Speaker 1: Seattle scores from the scores a touchdown from the one
Speaker 1: after that thoughts on the Dallas cornerbacks, and and here's
Speaker 1: my big picture question. Do you think that what we're
Speaker 1: seeing from the cornerbacks is more of the fact that
Speaker 1: you're you're missing a Woozier and you're missing Brown or
Speaker 1: do you think the same thing would be happening even
Speaker 1: if those guys are Because let's be clear, Woozia hadn't
Speaker 1: been great for a while, so you know, do you
Speaker 1: think it's that they're missing guys or do you think
Speaker 1: it's just this is what they have and this is
Speaker 1: what they're gonna be for the foreseeable future. Let's start
Speaker 1: first with you, Dave both both. I mean, yeah, like
Speaker 1: it sucks when you don't have two of your preferred starters,
Speaker 1: but I don't have any comf since it would have
Speaker 1: been substantially better. I said this, I've been I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about this all morning, knowing we were going to
Speaker 1: talk about it. I mean, the secondary was the problem
Speaker 1: with this team. Now you know, the pass rush hasn't
Speaker 1: played amazing through the first three weeks. They were better yesterday.
Speaker 1: Still not incredible, although that's tough against Russell Wilson. I
Speaker 1: get it, but the secondary was always going to be
Speaker 1: a problem. I don't think it would have looked substantially
Speaker 1: better with the starters out there. Honestly, the flags on
Speaker 1: Lewis and Warley, I feel like we're pretty fair. The
Speaker 1: one on Car was BS well. I mean, to some degree,
Speaker 1: you gotta let a cornerback do something like The rules
Speaker 1: are already slanted hard enough against them as it is,
Speaker 1: so that sucked. But you know, I like there are
Speaker 1: a lot of grabbing going on. Like overall, I didn't
Speaker 1: have a problem with most of those calls, I feel like,
Speaker 1: but yeah, coverage is going to be a problem for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys for most of this season. If I had
Speaker 1: to guess, it just kind of is what it is, agreed.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought the calls were pretty fair except
Speaker 1: for the Brandon Car did not like that because Olsen's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. He's not trying to go anywhere. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not He's not stopping him from doing anything because
Speaker 1: he wants to just sit back there and you know,
Speaker 1: hug each other. I mean, I thought the Jalen Smith call,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're getting into that later. I
Speaker 1: thought the illegal contact play I thought that one was
Speaker 1: pretty bad. But yeah, they're just not good enough to
Speaker 1: cover those guys, you know. And but the thing about
Speaker 1: it is all starts with Russell Wilson and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: fear of trying to attack him because he sits back
Speaker 1: there forever. So there was a ton of coverage, sacks,
Speaker 1: coverage places they can't cover all day long. And so
Speaker 1: it Russell Wilson is the reason why the Cowboys dbs
Speaker 1: or other dbs are getting these penalties. Amber Well, it
Speaker 1: sucks to hear, Like I'm still in shocked that Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones said on the Fountain, what was it, Dave? They're
Speaker 1: not in dissipating to bring any dbs this week, And
Speaker 1: I'm just amazed as to how can how can that
Speaker 1: even come out of your mouth after watching these three
Speaker 1: first weeks. I just don't understand, because regardless of the situation,
Speaker 1: regardless of the players being injured on your secondary, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were still struggling just in general. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: been talking about the secondary all throughout the off season,
Speaker 1: during training camp and then starting the season. So it's
Speaker 1: still it's still very concerning at the fact that they're
Speaker 1: still not looking into actually bringing someone back. They might
Speaker 1: be maybe they are maybe Stephen Jones is kind of
Speaker 1: trying to keep it a secret or something, But as
Speaker 1: of right now, it's just regardless of the injuries, I
Speaker 1: think they still would have struggled. Yeah, when you hear that,
Speaker 1: it makes me start to question, Okay, so why would
Speaker 1: they think very differently than all the rest of us
Speaker 1: that they don't need to bring in any body. And
Speaker 1: the only thing I can really come up with is
Speaker 1: they believe, maybe they believe that the issues they're seeing
Speaker 1: right now with the defense the busted coverages are not
Speaker 1: necessarily a function as much of guys not being able
Speaker 1: to do it. It's more a function of the guys
Speaker 1: figuring out how to do it. This is a new scheme,
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, they're not picking up on all
Speaker 1: the nuances of the new scheme. You think that maybe
Speaker 1: that could be the issue and why the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: at least saying we're gonna stay where we are, We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna hold true to that and we're gonna
Speaker 1: give us a little more time and see where it goes. Nick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I mean that's got to be what it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's and also the fact that they you know,
Speaker 1: adding players and picking them up is just not what
Speaker 1: it used to be. It's because because of the situation
Speaker 1: we're in right now. Uh, it's it's harder to get
Speaker 1: guys in the building, um and get them up to speed.
Speaker 1: It's gonna take seventy two hours, I guess for that
Speaker 1: to happen. So um, you know, he almost in some
Speaker 1: cases have to roll with this, But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Dave mentioned three or four safeties that are out there,
Speaker 1: and I think I try a couple of them, you know,
Speaker 1: just just to see. I mean, just because you know
Speaker 1: your your seasons. You can't just let guys run free
Speaker 1: like that. That just that just can't happen. Let's real
Speaker 1: quickly get to this one other play I think we
Speaker 1: could try to get in here. It was the first
Speaker 1: play to open the third quarter. It was a series
Speaker 1: there and Jaron Reid beats Connor Williams to get a
Speaker 1: sack on Dak. He also forces a fumble on that play.
Speaker 1: But when you think about it, in totality, Dak was
Speaker 1: only sacked twice in this game. One time Connor Williams
Speaker 1: again gives up that sack. Brandon Knight gives up, gives
Speaker 1: up one later in the game. So from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: how do you guys assess the play of the offensive
Speaker 1: line overall throughout the game going up against the Seattle defense.
Speaker 1: We'll start first with you, Amber. I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 1: great the fact that you're having to shuffle guys around
Speaker 1: in the middle of the game, and then I know
Speaker 1: there's still a question as to why exactly still came
Speaker 1: out of the game. There was some news I think
Speaker 1: Jane's later mentioned that he had some I guess stomach
Speaker 1: issues or something like that, and I don't know, But
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's always to struggle and the
Speaker 1: fact that they were able to hold it together, honestly
Speaker 1: credit to Dak Prescott. I think he did an amazing job,
Speaker 1: regardless of them losing the game and him throwing those
Speaker 1: two interceptions. I think the fact that he's playing the
Speaker 1: way that he's playing right now and being able to
Speaker 1: utilize his legs and be mobile and just get out
Speaker 1: of there and make certain throws, he's done an amazing job.
Speaker 1: So hopefully, with the fact that we know or think
Speaker 1: that the two tackles are coming back pretty soon, I
Speaker 1: would imagine that the offensive line starts getting better but
Speaker 1: all in all, I think that they did okay, just okay.
Speaker 1: It was not great by any means, but I hopefully
Speaker 1: it'll get better soon, Dave. If I'm looking for a
Speaker 1: silver lining coming out of this game, besides the play
Speaker 1: of the quarterback, which I thought was outstanding even with
Speaker 1: the misques, I'll take it. I'll take it ninety nine
Speaker 1: times out of one hundred. But if I'm looking for
Speaker 1: a silver lining, it's that the coaching staff was prepared
Speaker 1: for this problem. You know, Zack Martin thanks to Nick
Speaker 1: Nick got to talk to both of them, Zack Martin
Speaker 1: and Joe Looney. Both were kind of like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they've been working us at these different positions,
Speaker 1: so you like, nobody was surprised when this had to happen,
Speaker 1: which that's funny to hear, because we were all shocked
Speaker 1: because you know, we've talked about Zach plane tackle forever
Speaker 1: and never seen it, and he just kicked out there
Speaker 1: and played like a badass. I mean, I know, I
Speaker 1: know if Seattle doesn't have any crazy good edge rushers,
Speaker 1: but that's still really impressive, in my opinion. Further testament
Speaker 1: to Zack Martin's ability. I thought Tyler beads held up
Speaker 1: really well at center thought Joe looked fine at guard.
Speaker 1: Like for them to do that, and the offense was
Speaker 1: able to completely, you know, pick itself up. I think
Speaker 1: Dak for through for two hundred and ninety two after halftime.
Speaker 1: That's pretty remarkable because I think most of us would
Speaker 1: agree that a situation like that might have sunk the
Speaker 1: last coaching staff. I'm not sure that they would have
Speaker 1: thought ahead in enough degrees to make those types of
Speaker 1: adjustments mid game. So I think the coaching staff deserves
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for that. I'm not sure it
Speaker 1: would have looked that nice if other people had been
Speaker 1: making those decisions. Nicholas assumed for a second that Tyran
Speaker 1: can't play this next game. Would you stick with that
Speaker 1: that offensive line that they had there by the end
Speaker 1: of the game, or do you go back to steal? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not going back to steal. But but I've got
Speaker 1: some I've got some other issues said that really weird, Like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going for an undrafted guy from Texas Tech,
Speaker 1: not for Zach Martin. I mean, but but again, I
Speaker 1: hate to say this. You gotta have your five best linemy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to figure that out, and I
Speaker 1: just don't know who that is at this point. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if the honest is better
Speaker 1: than Looney at you know, is he better than Looney
Speaker 1: or was that whole smove better? Um is Connor Williams?
Speaker 1: Is he a problem? I mean he had a position now,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean think about it. Brandon Knight, they
Speaker 1: like him at guard, had to play him at tackle.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they both need to flip for each other.
Speaker 1: But you know, honestly, as I went back and watched
Speaker 1: the game, I didn't really have a hard time with
Speaker 1: what Brandon k I did yesterday. I think Brandon White,
Speaker 1: Brandon Knight to me, has played pretty decent football for
Speaker 1: the position that he's been put in in the last
Speaker 1: two weeks. I don't think he is the reason why
Speaker 1: they are. They are struggling at times when they strip.
Speaker 1: I think Tyran plays. I think I played Brandon Knight
Speaker 1: at right right tackle. Yeah, I'm kind of moved Connor.
Speaker 1: I mean, move Zach Martin back and butt at center.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that one. Again, I didn't think
Speaker 1: Looney had his best game yesterday. Dave Amber, what do
Speaker 1: you guys think about that would you would you guys
Speaker 1: change it up or kids stickle what they had by
Speaker 1: the end of the game. I was gonna ask, well, good,
Speaker 1: so go ahead, a g I was just gonna ask,
Speaker 1: where would you prefer to have your your weakest point guard?
Speaker 1: That depends on if that depends to me on if
Speaker 1: Tyring is back, If Tyrant is back, I think I
Speaker 1: would prefer it to be at left guard. If Tyring
Speaker 1: is not back, I think I prefer it to maybe
Speaker 1: be at right tackle, right tackle. Yeah, you see Deck
Speaker 1: sees what it's coming right at, and plus you can
Speaker 1: chip and you have Zach Martin right right and you
Speaker 1: got Zick. Yeah, that's a good question. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I think that's how I would look at this whole thing. Sorry, Dave,
Speaker 1: You're fine, because I think it's a really good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was just what I was gonna say. It's that's
Speaker 1: how I would look at it. Where would you prefer
Speaker 1: to have your weakest point and then based on that,
Speaker 1: rearrange or try to rea arrange the offensive line and
Speaker 1: try to figure out where you want your best guys
Speaker 1: to be depending on what you think works best. For
Speaker 1: Doc Prescott, that's a good point. You know, if we
Speaker 1: can assume that, go ahead, Dave kill. So, if we
Speaker 1: can assume that Tyrant's back, it does make me wonder.
Speaker 1: Like I said this last night too, is like if
Speaker 1: everybody's healthy, and I know they're not, but if they are,
Speaker 1: it's an impressive amount of depth and versatility, like they've
Speaker 1: got you know, they've got like five guys that can
Speaker 1: play two or three positions. If Tyrant's back, I agree
Speaker 1: that I would play Brandon Knight on the right side,
Speaker 1: But that makes me wonder like you could do some
Speaker 1: more experimenting. You could play Joe Looney at left guard
Speaker 1: and play Tyler Biadash at center and move back to
Speaker 1: Zach back to right guard, or potentially maybe maybe you
Speaker 1: play Brandon Knight at left guard and play Zach at
Speaker 1: right tackle. I don't freaking know, Like you could do
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. Um Tyron's back, it opens you up.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be mad about them experimenting, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I'd tell you what's sad, it's that Connor McGovern's just
Speaker 1: isn't in this equation at all, Like they had a
Speaker 1: second round grade on him. True, Yeah, that's that's disheartening.
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's a really good point. But Lyell
Speaker 1: is supposed to be back this week, and I just
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be But I'll say this,
Speaker 1: at whatever point they have both of their tackles back,
Speaker 1: I would play around a little bit with the center
Speaker 1: and the left guard position. I would maybe look at
Speaker 1: some other options. Do I maybe want Looney over there?
Speaker 1: Would be honest in the middle. Do I maybe want
Speaker 1: to see if Connor McGovern can can step in there
Speaker 1: and maybe play left guard? Like, I really think that
Speaker 1: that's going to become the weakness of this offensive line.
Speaker 1: And we saw it yesterday. We saw there were moments
Speaker 1: when that that middle of the line was getting pushed around,
Speaker 1: and they were getting pushed around to the point where
Speaker 1: it was affecting the play that was on the outside. Like,
Speaker 1: and that's the problem, Like, you got to be able
Speaker 1: to at least hold a point of attack, Like you
Speaker 1: gotta be able to at least stand up and not
Speaker 1: get thrown back and push back into the running back
Speaker 1: who's trying to get to the outside. Right, I want
Speaker 1: to know why they didn't sign Ron Leary. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was money or he wasn't ready, or
Speaker 1: because they are hurting inside they can't. They don't run
Speaker 1: the ball, they can't run it. They're leaving it all
Speaker 1: for Dak to do everything, and it's it's too much.
Speaker 1: Your your quarterback should not be throwing the ball fifty
Speaker 1: seven times. It's not a recipe to win games. Ye
Speaker 1: all right, Well, appreciate you guys. You're going us. We're
Speaker 1: gonna back tomorrow. We're gonna talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about this game, and we'll start doing some big picture
Speaker 1: looking at where the Cowboys are at this point through
Speaker 1: three games until then. For Nick Even, Dave helm and
Speaker 1: Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eagleton. This has been The
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