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Speaker 2: Well, First of all, I have seen several things in

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Speaker 1: Now hold up now, but again, hey, I've been going

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Speaker 2: I've seen many things. I've known many of people with

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Speaker 2: Particular way by a defendant that was like, yo, it's

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Speaker 2: The authorities were investigating whether the suspect, Nathaniel Maguire, is

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they did that that day, but it's.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely your business got to get handled. You know, people

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Speaker 2: That's why the folks this January sixth er is ended

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they finished the session at night. They were like,

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Speaker 2: And I love that because that shows the resilience.

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Speaker 1: go through it, you know. Yeah, I want to talk

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Speaker 2: Y'all need?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to heal and do all of that.

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Speaker 1: But just so y'all know, if you in my court room,

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Speaker 1: So I it speaking of criminal justice. You know this

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Speaker 2: it was a huge injustice, a grave injustice. The innocence

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately, and again and this just shows why again

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