1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to another Giants Total podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: the official bank of the New York Football Giants. John 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Schmaug Paul Detino, joined by Tom Pallisero, NFL Network Insider 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: host of The Insider Show, which. 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 2: Is pretty much every weekday in NFL Network. 6 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: He'll be part of NFL Networks coverage at the Combine 7 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: begins Thursday Friday at three and then on the weekend 8 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: prime time stuff, Quarterbacks, et cetera. One o'clock on Saturday 9 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: and Sunday. Tom Good to talk to you, man, Good 10 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: to talk to you guys. How we doing all right? 11 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: So let's talk about scuttle but what you're hearing basic 12 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: stuff here. What, in your opinion, are the chances that 13 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: the first three picks in this draft are not selected 14 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: by the teams that currently own those picks and are 15 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: not quarterbacks. 16 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: I think that everything's still on the table right now, 17 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: and this is really where a lot of these teams 18 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: are finding out that information, because whether it is a 19 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: setup meeting or it's a passing conversation in the hall 20 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: or in a bar, this is the only time that 21 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: most of the league, not everybody, but most of the 22 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: league the gms and head coaches are in one place. 23 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: So even if for the Bears, who I believe have 24 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: long had a pretty good idea of what they want 25 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: to do here, they still need to gather additional data 26 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: points in terms of what can we get for the 27 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: number one pick if we're willing to move it, what 28 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: can we get for justin fields in a trade? And 29 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: also who is Caleb Williams? You know the player you've 30 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 2: seen on tape. They've done all the background homework, They've 31 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: talked to everybody about him. But if I'm not mistaken, 32 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: you know the power players and the Bears organization, Kevin Warren, 33 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: Ryan Poles, Matt Eberflus, Shane Waldern the new offensive quarter 34 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: They hadn't met or spent any significant time with Caleb 35 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: Williams before last night. And for quarterbacks, that's a big deal. 36 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: If you're making the number one pick, that is a 37 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: massive organizational decision. Any quarterback that's getting taken up high. 38 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: When when the Giants drafted Daniel Jones at number six, 39 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: I guarantee you John marras Steve Tish are like deeply 40 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: involved in those conversations. They're not telling you who to draft, 41 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: but there are minimums signing off on this is the 42 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: plan and this is what we're going to do. You know, 43 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: the Bears have to go through every single scenario here. 44 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: It's hard for me to imagine base done. Who they 45 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: hired as the OC and based on how they can 46 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: reset their clock in terms of money at the quarterback position. 47 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: The reality that they've had the number one pick two 48 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: years in a row and there's no precedent for trading 49 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: out of the number one pick two years in a row. 50 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: And the fact that Ryan Poles matdiref which are going 51 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: into year three that's usually kind of a you know, 52 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: a make or break type of a year. Yeah, you 53 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: can make the argument that should point the finger out 54 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: weall just stick with the guy you already know. But 55 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: draft and rookie quarterback also potentially buys you a little 56 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: bit of time. It hasn't worked out that way for 57 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: recent Faaris coaches John Fox and Matt but you would 58 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: be trying to extend it. I mean, Cableiams is a 59 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: pretty rare player. Yep. He's also a unique guy who's 60 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: going through this pre draft process in a different way 61 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: than any quarterback ever has does not have a traditional agent. 62 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: He has a Washington crisis communications person running his team. 63 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: He does not have a lot of football people around him. 64 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 2: He's the first nil baby who's been making millions of 65 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: dollars playing college football above board, like on you know, 66 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: legally no shoe boxes, right yeah, no, no, no, one 67 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: thousand dollars, handshakes, Okay. Like he's been he's been a professional, 68 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: and he's a very smart, savvy guy who looks at 69 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: the NFL process and goes, well, I'm not just I'm 70 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: not going to throw because that's you know, that's hit 71 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: and miss with all the top quarterbacks every year. But 72 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm not only not gonna work out, I'm not even 73 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: gonna do the medical because Bear's in one. There's only 74 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 2: a couple of other teams that could trade up to one. 75 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: The rest of you aren't drafting me, So why am 76 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: I giving all you my private medical info? Which, when 77 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: you think of it that way, it's not really a 78 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: bad you know thought process to it, but it's different. 79 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: And the long time you know scouting term that always 80 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: sticks with me is it's easier to explain a bad 81 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: score than an empty box. In other words, if a 82 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: running back comes out or you know, a wide receiver 83 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: comes out and he's everything's gonna run in the four 84 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: fors he runs four, five to nine. You can go, well, 85 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: you know his hamstrings relative, Well he got sick last week. 86 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: Well he put on weight. For the way you can 87 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: explain it and to make a match to the tape, 88 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: if it's just an empty box, it's why didn't Drake 89 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: London run? He never ran a forty? Why is that? 90 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: But maybe he's slow? You know, those are like the 91 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: conversations in the scouting room, which is just like, why 92 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: didn't the guy do it? Why isn't Caleb Williams doing 93 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: the medical I told one executive about this week ago 94 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: when I heard Caleb wasn't going to do it, and 95 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: he said, well, what's he hiding? And I don't necessarily know. 96 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it's possible he is hiding anything. He might 97 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: just be going through the process differently. But in the 98 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: absence of that information, it just creates more questions about 99 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: somebody who already again a rare, rare player and everybody 100 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: loves the tape, but different person from a different generation. 101 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: You're wanting to get a grasp on a lot of 102 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: different things. 103 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 3: You're ready for a change, pay Day comes early with Citizens, 104 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 3: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 105 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 106 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: you ready for all that life brings? 107 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: The Giants Huddle is brought to you by Citizens, the 108 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: official bank of the New York Giants, from game day 109 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: to everyday. Citizens is mad ready for Giants fans with insights, 110 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: guidance and solutions. Learn more at Citizens bank dot com. 111 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: Whatever happens with Justin Fields, or with Caleb Williams for 112 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: that matter, we all seem to believe that there were 113 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: going to be three quarterbacks going within the top three, 114 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: four to five picks, whatever it is. Who is the 115 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 4: most likely quarterback needy team to make a plunge to 116 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 4: get one of those three guys? 117 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think that you see it in who's interviewing 118 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: the quarter the top quarterbacks right now? 119 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: Right? 120 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: Because obviously one, two, three, the Bears, the Commanders, the 121 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: Patriots are all interviewing quarterbacks. But if you look at 122 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 2: their lists, the Giants who are sitting there at six 123 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: are interviewing the top guys. The Falcons and eight are 124 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: interviewing the top guys. The Vikings at eleven are interviewing 125 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: the top guys. The Raiders are like thirteen or fourteen, 126 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: they're interviewing the top guys. The Jets are two. The Jets, 127 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident, never saying ever on anything, pretty confident 128 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: the Jets are not trading to number one to get 129 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: Caleb Worean. Rodgers might not like that, just for the record, No, 130 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: they've been down that, They've been down that road before. 131 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: He's forty years old, and you owe a lot of 132 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: guaranteed money this year. I know I don't really foresee it, 133 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: but you know, I think that people always look at 134 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: those two and you at times make too much of 135 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: the interviews because listen, every team somewhere, whether it's at 136 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, whether it's at the Combine, whether it's 137 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: on a top thirty visit, wherever, you're getting time with 138 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: almost everybody in the draft who you're plausibly spending time with. 139 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: Why is that you're drafting you know you're drafting twenty 140 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: and you spend time at the Combine with Caleb Williams. Well, 141 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: there's a couple of reasons. One, Caleb Williams ain't getting 142 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: on a plane to come see you later. He's not 143 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: gonna get He's not gonna go out there, so you 144 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: better either get him at the pro day or you 145 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: get him at the fifteen minute combine interviews. And your 146 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: combine is your best one because you schedule them and 147 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: everybody gets their time, and get forty five of them 148 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: and you you knock and bounce out. It's also because 149 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: nobody knows in the NFL where things are gonna be 150 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: in a year or two years, and a couple of 151 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: years from now. If things go south in Chicago, or 152 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: Caleb Williams wants out, or a new regime comes in 153 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 2: and they're putting them up for bid, and Aaron Rodgerson retired, 154 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: maybe all of a sudden, you have an opportunity to 155 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: bring the guy in. Well, if you didn't do your 156 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: due diligence, Now, if you didn't get the medical somehow 157 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: on the player, you didn't spend the interview time with them, 158 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: you've got an empty box and it's your own fault. 159 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: No, Hey, Giant fans score taste touchdown with Hellman's the 160 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: official mayonnaise of the New York Giants. Tom you mentioned 161 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: quarterback for the Giants. The Patriots are one of the 162 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: teams that people seem to think, depending on who was there, 163 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: maybe they decide to move out. 164 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: Of there to try to build their roster in trade. 165 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: If the Giants would want to move up from six 166 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: to three, given that from most experts seem to think 167 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: that's the end of the top tier of quarterbacks, how 168 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: exorbitant would that price to be? 169 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: So they just did a few years ago cost them 170 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: three twos? Right? Is there inflation there? Or is that 171 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: the type of cost? All three twos you also can 172 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: argue adds up to like a mid first round pick 173 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: for sure. Different teams use different value charts as the 174 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: analytics based chart. There's the old Jimmy Johnson chart, but 175 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: you know it begins with a first run or the 176 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: equivalent thereof, at least because it's all you know, I mean, 177 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: think of it as like one half of a bell 178 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: curve where trading up at those top few picks, the 179 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: price is exorbitant then everything else it kind of especially 180 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: if it's scales down right. So yeah, I mean, it's 181 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: gonna cost a ton, and there's a bunch of teams 182 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: that are all interested in potentially moving up. Having said that, 183 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: I don't think it's a given that the top three 184 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: picks are all quarterbacks. I think that there's certainly a 185 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: case to be made the teams will compete, but there 186 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: also might be teams are competing to go up and 187 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: draft Marvin Harrison junior. That's how dynamic fatality is. There 188 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: are offensive tackle needy teams that might want to trade 189 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: way up and make sure they get Alt. You know, 190 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: there's all sorts of different scenarios here. The quarterbacks usually go. 191 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: There's only been a small number of drafts where quarterbacks 192 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: went one, two three. There was the Achille Smith Draft, 193 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: there was the Trey Lance Draft. A lot of times. 194 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, there's usually not in a draft class. 195 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: There's usually not more than a couple of those guys. 196 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: They aren't all. It might be three, four, five, six 197 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: go in the first round. Right, odds are just based 198 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 2: on history. There's only a couple who actually end up 199 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: being players. I mean to go back to that Trey 200 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: Lance draft. Terry Lance is now a Dallas Cowboy, not 201 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: a forty nine er. Zach Wilson is about to no 202 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: longer be in New York Jet. Trevor Lawrence has been 203 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: I think what everybody thought that he would be, which 204 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: to this point in his career has been a good, 205 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: solid winner type, who's gonna come and answer the bell 206 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 2: every single week? Is he? You know? Right now? And 207 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: all pro is he competed to be an MVP. He's 208 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: not there yet, but he's the really good one. And 209 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: then he got a couple of other teams the drafted 210 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: I mac Jones could be toward the end of his 211 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: time in New England. That was that same draft as well. 212 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean you know justin fields, you know, 213 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: same draft as well, Like you could have Trevor Lawrence 214 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: be the only guy left from five in the first 215 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: round who's still on the same team in year four. 216 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 3: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start 217 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: a turf biz business grows, your savings grow, become the 218 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: a celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all 219 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: that life? 220 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: Rings? Giants fans love a winner. It's why they love 221 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: Citizens named a twenty twenty two Best bank in the 222 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: US by the Banker as the official bank of the 223 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: Giants and sponsor of the Giants Huddle. Citizens is made 224 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: ready for fans of Big Blue. Learn more at Citizens 225 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: bank dot com. 226 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 4: It really is all right. I want to go free 227 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 4: agency for a minute here, Tom, I know we're at 228 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 4: the combine, but there is such a big question on 229 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 4: Giants fans minds about Saquon Barkley. We know the veteran 230 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: free agent running back market is flooded, so yeah, keep 231 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 4: checking your text messages because every five minutes, somebody else's 232 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: name is popping up on the interest list. What do 233 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 4: you think the market is outside of New York for 234 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 4: Barkley as all of these other names continue to get 235 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 4: floated into the pot. 236 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: I don't know that Saquon Barkley is ever going to 237 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: get could be wrong on this. I don't know that 238 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: he's ever going to get more than what the Giants 239 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: tried to pay him a year ago prior to the 240 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: startup free agency when they were trying to get Saquon's 241 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: deal done, tag Daniel Jones and proceed that was the 242 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: most leverage that he was going to have agreed. Then 243 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: you know, they come back to him in July. They 244 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: still made another strong run at it. They still offered 245 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: him a strong deal. It just wasn't as strong as 246 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: the one in March because about ten million dollars tag, 247 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: the dynamics of the entire thing changed. They weren't able 248 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: to get a deal done either of those spots. We 249 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: know the Giants love Saquon. You know, Saquan has said 250 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: many times he wants to be a Giant for life. 251 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: What he's gonna have to decide and listen, they could 252 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: tag him. They could tag him to buy time to 253 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: get another deal done. That tag is higher now, and 254 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: there might be some value in letting Saquon go out 255 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: and find out what his market is other places and 256 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: then see if he ultimately ends up coming back. Now, 257 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: you also have some wild cards here around the league 258 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: because we don't know what Joe Hortiz is gonna do 259 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: as a first time general manager and how he and 260 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh are going to value players. If you told 261 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 2: me that the Chargers, who have a new coach who 262 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 2: wants to have a strong running game at all time, 263 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: I mean, that's where it begins with Greg Roman and 264 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh run the football first. Austin Eckler's a free agent. 265 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: If you told me that they came out with a 266 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: big offer for Saquon Barkley wouldn't shock me in the least. 267 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: They have some cap issues to work through it first though, 268 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: right Well, they've got they've got I think like six 269 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: guys on the roster make up eighty percent of their cap. 270 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: So Jessin Herbert's not going anywhere, but Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, 271 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 2: Derwin James, Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack. You got to work 272 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: through a lot of different stuff with some older, more 273 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: expensive players. But you know that could be a spot 274 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: that pops up. Baltimore wouldn't shock anybody again, run first 275 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: type of a team. They've been through so many injuries 276 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: and they've like made lemonade with Gus Edwards and you know, 277 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: bringing back Melvin Gordon last year. Kenyan Drake was there 278 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 2: for what I mean, They've every veteran running back. I 279 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: feel like it's been on the Ravens at some point here. 280 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: If they came out, and whether it's making a run 281 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: Saquan or Derek Henry or somebody, I don't think that 282 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: would shock anybody in the least. I don't know that 283 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: anybody's going to exceed the Christian McCaffrey contract, which is 284 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: you know, Saquon would have loved to be at six 285 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: million dollars a year. The Giants didn't go anywhere close that. 286 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody else will either. But then again, 287 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: the Panthers at one point sign Christian McCaffrey to that deal. 288 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: I know the running back market has gone down since then, 289 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: but Josh Jacobs made twelve plus million dollars last year. 290 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: Christ McCaffrey is still earning every penny on that deal. 291 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara, we'll see what they end up doing with 292 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: his contract in New Orleans, but he's later in a 293 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: deal that pays him a lot of money. Dalvin Cook 294 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: got pretty deep into his deal. There is still a 295 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: market for those top, top guys that can push closer 296 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: to it. Is that price tag going to get so 297 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: out of control that the Giants simply don't bring him back. 298 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: That's what we don't know. 299 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: You have to run to your next spot real quick. 300 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: Ten seconds left. You mentioned quarterback. Otherwise Giants at six, 301 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: you're thinking wide receiver would kind of be their next 302 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: logical spot there. 303 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: It depends in part on who they've you know, who's 304 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: out there. They've expended resources in the wide receiver game, 305 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: whether it's been through signing some free agents through the years, 306 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: some of which have not worked out, or it's you know, 307 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 2: spending a high pick on the Tennessee receiver last YEARN 308 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: know that was a third, but like still it's a 309 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: you know, significant investment. You could find good receivers all 310 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 2: the time in the second and third rounds. I think 311 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: that would make sense, but don't discount the possibility that 312 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 2: those top two receivers are gone by the time they're 313 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: drafting the number six. Do you want the third guy? 314 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: And that would be Neighbors and Harrison the top two 315 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: or what you're hearing or the other characters. 316 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that would be the other one. But 317 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: you know, again, everybody's gonna stack these guys different. There's 318 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: scheme fits, there's different styles of players. What they do 319 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: out here it shouldn't matter a lot, but it might 320 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: matter a little. And so all these different things and 321 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: these are all the unknowns, and that's that's why most 322 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: players still go through this process. 323 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: Great stuff beings in the Johnson Podcast. 324 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: We see you next time.